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- What's up everybody?
Welcome to For Cry Not Loud, it's Tuesday show.
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(laughs)
We just did it, we just recorded it.
And yeah, it's kind of a funny story that I have about.
- Can we, should we tell what it's about?
Yeah.
- When that dipped her toe into dating.
- Right, I think you guys will wanna hear this.
- Grand opening, grand closes.
- Yeah.
(laughs)
- I think you're gonna wanna support your girl.
(laughs)
- That's pretty funny.
- Okay, you know what?
I wanna just say hi to people,
real quick, Dick Frawlaker and Kelly LaDida
and Nikki call your girl Elizabeth Williamson.
- She's though, all her kids are so cute.
- I know.
- She's a great lady.
She's been so rewarding.
I'm gonna tell you guys more about my feeding day laborers
today, but Elizabeth Williamson has been sending support.
It's very sweet.
Rita rock in the basket with her kids
and not her kids personally, Elizabeth's kids.
Paulie, we live your pancakes, Valerie hits it out of the park.
Katarina, check it.
Stop eating salt, water, taffy.
(laughs)
Trust me on this.
Gabby and Missy.
- Those two up to no good with one slip plot.
- Esha on Vajpay.
- Ooh, ooh, Rebecca Lupinjoucute.
Kelly Brant, she's taking you to Planned Parenthood
and Lee Chescalante from the city of Elmonte.
But don't say you're dating up there.
Leslie with the coffee.
- Erin is a dirty sandwich as Jennifer get up.
Sandra is not easy being green Athena.
We love your pink.
- Yes.
- Stephanie, she's a stinker rinker.
- Ashley, she's so chic.
And Krista, get the strap.
Yeah, you make me want to.
- Let me want to stoop, but we love you guys.
- Okay. - Yes.
- Okay, so I just wanted to say
from last week we talked about
Zander was going to a job interview.
- Yes.
- While we were recording.
- Right.
- Shit show.
- Really?
- Yeah, so I'm gonna, the spoiler alert is
he did not get the job.
- Okay.
- And now I can tell you, since he won't be working there,
that it was at a local trampoline place.
- Oh, that's fine.
- Very popular with the head.
- That would be fun.
- He would have been perfect to work there.
- Yeah.
- Okay, but check this out.
Fuck, it's hard out there.
- Yeah, they had like a bunch of people come at once
or something.
- So he was supposed to be going for a group interview.
It was at 430, the day we were recording, right?
And then he had a gig afterwards
that he was supposed to be at by like 630, as you say.
They were sound checking before that,
but his interview was at 430 and it was supposed to be 15 minutes.
So he was like, do you think I have anything to worry about?
And I was like, no, you'll be out of there,
but even if they don't start the interview,
even if they start 15 minutes late, 540,
you're gonna be out of there by like 5 o'clock.
- Right, right.
- Yeah.
- Worst case scenario.
- Yeah.
- That's a fast.
So he gets there.
I was, I guess I was home by then,
because I was editing all of our shows.
Okay, so I'm stressed out.
For some reason Tuesday's or Mondays, it was a Monday.
It was a little bit stressful because we record here
and then peaked behind the curtain.
I take all the media, I go home and I edit all of our shows
for the week.
- Right.
- So, and then I have to get that done
and then I've got, I think I had to do a drunkish interview.
So I'm trying to do a bunch of things,
but I'm getting texts like emergency texts.
- Right.
- From Xander.
No, not from Xander, from John.
Okay, so John drives him to the place, the trampoline place.
430 comes, John's like, I'm waiting here,
but he told me there's a lot, there's a lot of people.
Turns out there were three rooms with 20 kids per room.
So they just, every application they got in, I guess they,
wow, saw them all.
Split, they split them up into like,
I guess two or three different rooms of all these people.
Then, they said they're gonna interview everybody.
So it was a 15 minute interview,
but within a couple hours time, period.
- That's crazy.
- So get there at 430, 415 minute interview,
but you don't know when your 15 minute interview will be,
could be now, could be, but prepare to be here till 7.
- No way.
- Yes.
- So I guess the under's texting, John going,
oh shit, like, I don't know what to do.
Well, they said prepare to be here until 630,
between 630 and 7.
- That's crazy.
- So John would like,
- Sounds like an American Idol audition.
- Oh my God, to a point picture.
- That's like a trampoline place.
- Right.
- For minimum wage.
- Right, right.
So then he was getting nervous, so he goes through,
so they, I guess they had like multiple,
a couple of, he gets talked to,
and I found this out later.
They asked the most random,
they don't really go off of his resume
and ask him any like pertinent questions.
They're just like, tell us a time that you lifted someone up,
a coworker.
- Oh my God.
- What?
- Really?
- Yeah.
So Xander's like, I mean, I'm doing this volunteer work
at this like music camp and I've been really helping the young,
like he's like, I was fine.
Like I answered the questions, but like,
they were so random, they weren't personal at all.
He said it wasn't like the person was trying to meet me
or have an established ending rapport with me.
It was like they were just sort of giving me these wrote questions.
So he said he answered the questions.
This is where his improv and speech and debate came in handy.
- I mean, listen, I don't wanna play favorites with my kids.
Xander is my favorite.
(laughing)
No, Xander is,
(laughing)
I don't have favorites, but he knows who he is.
- Also.
(laughing)
- I mean, he just started a stand-up comedy class.
The kid is fearless, he's hilarious.
He's also so warm and just like a lovely person to meet.
He's super polite and friendly.
- So polite.
- And he's very outgoing.
I cannot imagine him not like having a great interview.
- Right, right.
- He said he did his best.
Like he answered the questions.
He's been, he's waiting and waiting and waiting.
John is scared to leave him there because he doesn't drive.
It's the one fatal flaw because he doesn't even have a permit.
- Yeah, but no.
- So John keeps texting me and I'm obviously trying to work
and I'm like,
what's he texting you?
Like he's just waiting?
- Maybe this, I feel like maybe this was Tuesday
because I was, I feel like I was teaching a class.
I don't remember the, now my days are all messed up.
- Yeah, but anyway, I was doing something
and I just kept getting texts from John going like,
I'm not sure what to tell him to do, you know?
And I was like, well, he should probably stay
as long as possible like now that he's here,
he might get the job.
- Right.
- Well, he did not get the job and not only that,
they picked, he didn't even get, this is what happened.
They were group interviewing them.
He didn't even get one on one time.
So the person in charge of it was just going around
to different people asking questions.
And then only the chosen people
after two fucking hours, they found out who was gonna graduate
to a one-on-one interview.
- Are you kidding?
- And they chose out of 20 people in each room.
They chose three girls out of the room that he was in.
And apparently, they showed who they picked out
of the other room, all girls.
- What's the fuck?
What kind of look?
- Maybe because Sha going on over there.
- I don't get it.
- But then it turns out that if they did get the job,
I was like, okay, so you dodged a bullet,
so it was a learning experience and a story from my podcast.
Thank you.
- Thank you, Zander.
- Thank you, Zander, for your sacrifices.
But they were gonna make him work.
They said they can work.
It was something like between 22 and 30 hours a week,
they were gonna have to work.
And I was like, on what planet is a high school kid
working 30 hours a week at a job?
- Yeah, yeah.
He's got so many other things to do.
When Elby was working at her job as a junior,
at one to a couple of weeks,
they had her working 20 hours, it nearly killed her.
- Yeah.
- That was like so much.
- It was all weekend long plus weekdays.
When I mean, she was like falling behind on homework,
she couldn't, she didn't do anything else.
Zander does a million other things.
Also turns out it would also be like high pressure sales
because they make them try to upsell everybody to memberships.
So it's like working at a freaking gym.
- That's like working at Ellie Fitness
where you're having to constantly like work the phones,
everybody that comes out.
- Oh God.
- You have to try to talk them into buying a membership
instead of just paying.
- Yeah.
- Here's your ticket for today.
- You got fun.
- That's craziness.
- So he was like, not really into the idea
of high pressure sales.
- No.
I mean, it sounded great at a trampoline.
I was so excited for it.
- Yeah, it sounded fun.
But I guess it's, that's insane.
Well, yes, it's a good learning experience for him.
- So today, probably around now, hopefully, he did, he went.
But so the trader Joe's said they were hiring
but it's really, really hard.
Every time you put in an application for trader Joe's,
apparently they get like hundreds.
As soon as they open it up.
But he's going by to see the manager today.
We went by earlier and the manager was not, he was at lunch
and I told Sandra to go back at two o'clock,
bring his resume and introduce himself.
- Yeah.
- He's doing it.
- Oh, good for him.
- He might be there as we speak.
- Oh, I hope he, oh, that would be so cute.
I could picture him in those like, you know,
in the Hawaiian shirts.
- I know.
- He even has a Hawaiian shirt.
- There you go.
- Yeah.
And then so Sunny had a,
- Yeah, so Sunny had this job interview
for a sports media company in Hollywood this morning
and he doesn't have a car.
So I was going to drive him and just wait in the car.
And like, literally, the thing was at 10,
about 9, 10 right when we were like,
getting in the car to leave,
get a text that they have to reschedule to next Wednesday,
to this Wednesday at three o'clock.
And Sunny's like,
"Oh, gee," because he,
he was a little nervous, you know?
And he was dressed cute.
You know, he's dressed nice and his hair had gel in it.
And he looked, you're very cute.
And now he's, you know,
now he's like, he's like, got to wait it out until Wednesday.
So I'll keep you posted about that.
But yeah, it's, hopefully,
it will be something that he can continue doing
when he goes back to Oregon online.
It will see. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm hoping that it's something like that.
We'll see.
- Well, in other news, in better news,
Elby's job is going great.
- Now, nice.
- Yeah.
- So she has had two shifts on her own now.
So she finished all her training and she's had,
she worked on, I want a Saturday and Sunday.
So today's Monday.
And had a great time.
You know, Elby.
- Yeah, yes.
- She's just like, oh my gosh, I love my job.
It's so much fun.
(laughs)
She's like, mom, I love all my coworkers.
- I knew it, yeah.
- And she's so funny the way she talks about people.
She's like, mom, everybody's constantly gassing me up.
They're like, Elby, you're doing such a good job.
Like, how did you learn all the table numbers?
And I'm like, I told you,
this is a girl, she's never met a bad time.
- I know.
She's definitely a people person.
- Yeah.
- She likes to be around people.
- Yeah.
- Which is great.
- She's good.
- She's very motivated.
She's very like, she's got a motor.
She's got a motor.
- She's in Natalia.
- Yeah, the two of them are a lot alike that way.
Yeah.
Natalia loves her job.
They're on hiatus this week.
Remember how, like years ago,
I used to pronounce Natalia and Natalia?
But you never corrected me because,
and somebody was like, what the fuck?
Like you say Natalia is not Natalia's name wrong.
And I was like, because I think I always thought
that the way you said Natalia was like an accent.
- Like with my, like,
- Natalia.
- That I have.
- Yeah, your twings.
I was like, it's Natalia,
but she just says it like, Natalia.
- Natalia.
- Yes.
- But it's Natalia.
- But Sunny and her father call her Natalia.
- They do?
- And she calls herself Natalia.
- Yes.
- So I wasn't, Sunny's always,
well, Sunny used to call her Brittany for a while.
I don't know, like I'm mad at her.
Like knock it up, Brittany.
- What?
- I don't know where, I don't know.
But yeah, Sunny calls her Natalia and so does her dad.
And Olga would too.
- But when you named her, you named her Natalia.
Natalia and Natalia, yeah, I named,
well, it's all spelled the same.
It's just, I say it, 'cause I have,
I guess I have a twang.
I don't, everybody's always like, you have an accent.
I'm like, I'm from the valley.
I don't know where my accent comes from.
- Like, Zan and I talk a lot.
- There's a difference between like people
that are named Megan and Megan, like Megan or Megan.
- Right.
'Cause I have a friend named Megan
that I would never say Megan.
- See, I say Megan.
- But I make it.
- But I say Megan.
Yeah, I would say Megan.
Not Megan.
- Right.
There's another one too, I don't know.
- There's a girl in my writing class.
Her name is Kirsten.
Uh-huh.
But a lot of people call her Kirsten.
Like in the class, they just say Kirsten.
And I always want to correct him and go, no, it's Kirsten.
But, 'cause I know, 'cause there's a lot of different
with the case.
- Right.
- There's Kirsten.
- Right.
- Kirsten, Kirsten, 'cause I know people name Kirsten.
- Yes.
They should probably all just get together and...
- You figure it out.
Like my nephew's married.
His wife is...
- A pronunciation.
- Yeah.
His wife is named Andrea.
- Uh-huh.
- But I would always call her Andrea.
- Uh-huh.
- Would she correct you?
- No, she never corrected me.
But I got used to it.
When I first met her, I kept doing that.
But then everybody else around her, like my nephew,
will call her Andrea.
- But then there's people who go by Andrea.
- Right.
Then there's Andrea.
- Right.
- And then these people also need to like work together
to make the world a safer place for all of us
for pronunciation.
- Yeah, no.
(laughs)
- Okay, I knew a girl named Andrea,
who changed it to Andrea.
- Uh-huh.
- And then everybody had to,
and then it would correct everybody.
But we were like, but it was Andrea.
Like it hasn't always been Andrea.
And then had the nerve to go back to Andrea.
- No way.
- Yes.
- Alcoholic.
That's all I would say.
- Okay, okay.
- Which is like, that's the explain.
- And it's a little bit.
- That might, yeah.
- Like wanting to.
- But if you're gonna reinvent yourself,
pick a totally different name.
- Of course, right.
- I just changed the pronunciation of just enough
to fuck with people.
- And then go back to it.
That's nuts.
What about we've left.
Adam would always have this issue when he first met me,
'cause Suzanne is my best friend,
and Dr. Drew's wife is Susan.
And because he doesn't read or spell,
he's like, Susan, Suzanne, it's all that,
he would call Suzanne Susan.
I'm like, it's Suzanne.
Totally spelled differently.
- Right.
- Okay, just because you're a literate,
it's totally a different name.
- Right.
- Then he kept going, Suzanne,
then that's what he would call.
- Maybe sarcastic about it.
- Yeah, you'd be sarcastic.
What's up, Suzanne?
You know?
- Oh my God, I have the same thing with John.
So one of my closest friends is named Laura.
And it is kind of a Jewish thing.
It's not Laura.
It's Laura.
- Laura.
- L-A-R-A.
So for years, John would just say Laura.
And I was like, but it's not Laura, it's Laura.
And he would say that he'd be like,
oh, right.
(laughing)
The same thing.
And I was like, it's not the same thing.
It spelled differently, and it said differently.
- Right.
- So then I would just correct him every time.
He'd be like, Laura, I'd be like, Laura.
Now, if he meets somebody named Laura,
he just calls him Laura.
And I'm like, they sling the other way.
- Yeah.
And then he gets mad at me.
I'm like, well, that person's actually not Laura.
- It gets mad at you.
Like you name them.
- Yes.
- Yeah.
I didn't do that to them.
That's so funny.
- I know.
- I don't like it when people named Sarah are called Sarah.
- Yeah, that's annoying.
- I sound sorry.
- You made that up.
You changed that scene.
- Right.
- I see a purpose.
Nobody named you Sarah.
- Right.
- Maybe they did.
I saw somebody's mad right now.
I followed Daily Dose of Donna,
which I reached out there and she reached back out to me
because I just was telling her,
like, I love the way she does her shows.
Like she, she's pulls up articles and pictures or whatever.
- Uh-huh.
- And, anyway, it's spelled Dana, D-A-N-A.
- Right.
- But she calls herself Donna.
Is that a Jewish thing?
Cause she's Jew.
Is it, I've never heard of that.
- Yeah, it's spelled D-A-N-A.
- She's just being difficult.
- And like people by accident on her show will go,
"Hey, thanks, Remy on your show, Dana."
And she goes, "It's Donna."
And then they're like, "What the fuck?"
And she's like, "Blame my mom."
Like my mom named me that way and spelled my name.
Yeah.
But just change it, right?
- Well, that was like Gary from Golden Bachelor,
whose name is Gary, but he spelled it G-E-R-R-Y.
- Oh, that's right.
- So it was like, "Well, that's Jerry."
- Right.
- Not how you spelled Gary.
- No.
- Nobody would ever think that.
So now you just have to remember it.
And you have to like, tell yourself every time you have to say it
in your head first, you have to go, "Not Jerry."
- Gary, right?
- Yes.
- And then it's sometimes you're gonna be like, "Jerry."
- Right.
- And then, you know, I just never like to correct people
for some reason.
- Yeah.
- 'Cause sometimes people go, "Hey Lynn, how you doing?"
I'm like, "I don't really like Lynn.
I don't go by Lynn."
But okay, that's what you wanna call me.
I see you once a year.
I don't care.
- Right.
- Yeah.
But like with Natalia, back to the thing with the,
I don't, people call her Natalia, Natalia, whatever.
- It does sound pretty different though.
So every time I think about it, I go like,
"I can't believe I said it wrong."
- I actually like Natalia better.
I just can't, I just, I don't know.
(laughing)
- You know what?
We should do an ad.
- Let's talk about something we do now.
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Speaking of Natalia.
- Yes.
- She loves, oh my gosh.
She's like, "Can we get more, I ordered more."
She loves the hero, Brad.
I've been making her Italian sandwiches with it.
This girl is very, pays a lot of attention to her health.
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But tastes delicious.
It's fluffy.
They have hot dog buns, they have burger buns,
they have tortillas, they have croissants, as you say.
And it's delicious.
And I love it.
So we have it in our house and making sandwiches with it every day.
Sonny loves it too.
- Yeah, you will never know the difference in the texture
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It's like fluffy like normal bread.
- Yeah.
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They're on the way.
I can't wait.
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- Yeah.
Okay, let's get to what we really wanted to talk about.
- Thank you.
- So last week, we discussed in depth
that Amy Bradley, documentary.
- Mm-hmm.
- Now, I wanna be clear,
I had never heard of the case before.
- Right, me neither.
- Didn't you tell me about it?
- No, I've never heard of it either.
- Oh, maybe there were some people
on the For Crying Out Loud Facebook group
were saying you guys need to watch this.
- Right.
- Oh, because somebody had said,
Stephanie won't like this because it's unsolved.
- That's right.
- But then I was like, jokes on you,
I'm gonna solve this motherfucker.
(laughing)
- Because for the same reason that I don't like unsolved podcasts,
but I did like watching unsolved mysteries a little bit.
But then yes, I know, I would say like,
I don't know, I haven't seen the person,
then I feel all pressured.
Like, I'm supposed to solve this.
- No, I'm not solving.
- The thing is, I don't like it,
I don't like something that's unsolved.
If it's like, surprise, it's unsolved.
- Right.
- Like you're hooked in, you're listening to the whole thing,
your eight episodes into some wondering podcasts.
- Yes.
- And then they're like, yeah.
So, yeah, we don't know what happened,
but if you've seen them, there's a tip line.
- Fuck off of your tip line.
- Oh, I know.
- Get back to me when you've gotten some tips.
- Well, I like it when they tell you ahead of time
that this is not gonna be solved.
'Cause then you know what you're in for.
- Right.
- But when they don't tell you is the worst.
Yeah.
Especially if it's unsolved and it's happened in Van Aes, California.
(laughing)
On a street that we drive by every day, you know?
- Yes.
- Oh, really?
Oh my God, I totally know that place.
- Right.
- I might have seen them.
- Exactly.
- Then you're like, I'm 100% in.
- Right.
- Now, if it's like, somewhere in Maryland,
- No, I'm not gonna be able to have to do that.
- Yeah, I'm taking a flight.
(laughing)
You and I book a flight for objective agents.
- Right.
- For something that happened in the 70s.
- Yeah, no, no, no.
- It's over.
- Yeah.
- What do you guys want from us?
We were three in the 70s.
How are we supposed to know who this guy is?
I think.
(laughing)
Cold case, stamped, cold case.
- Who cold?
- Like that's too cold.
- Yeah, that's freezing.
- Bring it warmer.
- Maybe not even the 80s.
That's still too far away.
- That's quite a far away.
- We're not trying to solve anything then.
- No, we were stealing lip gloss at,
but late 90s?
- Okay.
- Okay, you're getting warmer.
- Yeah.
- 2000s.
- Sure.
- Better, even better.
So this Amy Bradley thing, I went into it
with on a dare.
Like Stephanie's not gonna like this.
I was like, well, we'll see.
- Yeah.
- And then I really liked it.
And as did you.
And I told you, we gotta watch this
'cause we're gonna figure this out together.
- Right.
Now, I found out a lot of stuff since watching the,
so I made some quick judgments.
- Yeah.
- And I was like, I totally bought in.
- I think we were on the same page.
- Yeah.
- It wouldn't happen.
Yeah, that's basically she was looking for drugs
and then she got sex traffic.
- Right.
- That's what we decided happened.
- Yes.
- I believe that we were led.
I believe that's what the documentary.
- Yes.
- So then I see your post on Facebook that said,
hey guys, you're gonna hear me talk about it this Friday,
but I've changed my mind.
So I'm like, oh, bitch, I am not waiting till Monday.
I gotta text her like, what happened?
So I text you.
- What happened is I started reading Reddit posts
and I was like, wait, what?
Then I started finding out stuff about the brother.
Then I just start thinking about it
and the more, I'm not just thinking about it, reading.
Reading people's takes on it.
I read so many takes on it.
I can't even like tell you.
- I know, then yes.
Then it's like--
- But a lot of them were kind of saying the same thing
that was making me realize that assuming that she was sex-trafficked
was kind of a, it's basically like the people that are like,
I was just walking around IKEA minding my own business.
(laughing)
You know, it's just from what everything that I can tell,
it's really not how sex-trafficking works.
It would have been very, very difficult for her to get off the ship.
So, well, that was my one question.
How did she get off? Did she get off knowingly?
- Also, her own?
- Also, I'm gonna read you some wrong takes.
- Okay, please.
- And you can stop as I do and we can discuss.
- Yes.
- One of them is kind of more funny.
So I'll start with that one.
- Yes.
- And then we can discuss because I can't remember
like my take, like all at once.
But okay, so this one is about conclusive proof
that Amy Bradley was human-trafficked.
It's sarcastic.
- Okay.
- Just know that going into it.
- God.
- After reading the theories on Reddit,
I have definitively solved the Amy Bradley mystery.
Amy was out until 3.30 a.m. drinking seven beers
and dancing with the band's bass player.
She said to the bass player,
"I know there's no evidence I ever tried drugs in my life,
"but I think this cruise is where I am,
"where I'm sharing a cabin with my parents and brother
"and have none of my friends with me
"would be a great time to start."
The bass player said, "What does that have to do with me?"
Amy said, "I want you to score me some drugs
"when we get to Curacao."
The bass player said, "I'm from Grenada.
"Why do you think I know drug dealers in Curacao?"
Amy said, "Well, obviously because you're black,
"you must know all the criminals everywhere."
The bass player said, "Tomorrow around noon,
"tell your family you want some time to yourself.
"Then I will take you ashore to score some drugs."
Amy said, "No, I want to meet at 5.30 a.m.
"Two hours of sleep is plenty after seven beers."
Besides, we should meet an hour and a half,
one and a half hours before the ship docks.
That way we have plenty of time to stand around
and do nothing while we wait to go ashore.
The bass player said the ship docks at 7 a.m.
It will take at least a couple of hours to go ashore,
score the drugs and get back to the ship.
Surely your parents will wake up before nine
and shit their pants that you disappeared
without telling them ahead of time.
Why not go later in the day after you tell your parents
they won't see you for a few hours.
Amy was like, "You don't know my parents, they're Toatschall.
"They aren't overbearing and hyper-involved at all.
"My dad probably won't even notice
"I'm gone in the morning."
The bass player was like, "Okay, then,
"we will meet at 5.30 a.m.
"and be in the line to get off the ship at 7.
"That's perfect timing."
Because if there's one thing drug dealers are known for,
it's keeping bankers hours.
(laughing)
Oh, like, this is hilarious.
I know.
I think 7 a.m. will be the perfect time
to wander around the island looking for drugs.
Amy was like, "Wait a minute.
"Are you gonna human traffic me when we leave the ship?"
The bass player was like, "How could I?"
We came up with the idea of going ashore five minutes ago,
so I haven't arranged for any traffickers to meet us.
If I send a message ashore now to my trafficker friends,
there will be a log of that communication from the ship.
Besides, other passengers will see you leaving the ship
and see us together unsure.
We're gonna make you look like you're in your 40s.
Oh, wait, sorry, I skipped ahead.
I should send this to the FBI.
I know.
(laughing)
Isn't this good?
It's hilarious.
Amy was like, "Sure, people will see me
"if I walk off the ship voluntarily."
But what if you stuff me into a huge box and carry me ashore?
The bass player was like, "Let's assume I could find
"a human sized box on this ship
"that nobody will notice is gone afterwards."
Surely someone in the crew would see me
pushing around the giant, heavy box
and think, "What the fuck is he doing?"
They won't have forgotten it one hour later
when everyone is searching for you.
Besides, my key card will show I returned to my cabinet
3.30am, and I would have to, without waking up my roommate,
sneak out of the cabin sometime after 5.30am,
shove you in a box, assure you off the ship,
deliver you to my human trafficker friends,
and sneak back into my cabin before 7.30am
when the crew comes to ask if you're with me.
And I will have to do all that without the Plank Guard
noticing me coming and going from the ship.
Amy's like, "The drug plan sounds tits on."
(laughing)
She and the bass player meet at 5.30am,
stare at each other, picking their noses
for one and a half hours, go assure it 7,
and his human trafficker friends are there to abduct her.
Amy's like, "How the hell do you know
"that human trafficker is on Curacao?"
The bass player is like, "You said it yourself, I'm black,
"I know all the criminals everywhere."
Amy's like, "How did you coordinate this
"with your friends between 3.30am when we parted
"and 5.30am when we met again?"
I would think all your human trafficker friends
would be sleeping when you tried to contact them,
and that ignores the question of how you communicated a shore
in 1998 without leaving any trace of the communication.
And on top of that, your key card shows you entered
your cabinet 3.30am, and none of this woke up your roommate.
The bass player was like, "There are good answers
"for all those questions, but I will have to answer them later
"'cause right now I have to get my human trafficking on."
(laughing)
Amy says, "Okay, you abducted me fair and square,
"so I guess I have to go with you."
But first, I'm just gonna wander over to this taxi
for a while and talk to the driver unaccompanied.
I'm not gonna get in and ask him to take me to the police.
Nobody but the driver will notice me,
and the traffickers were like, "I don't see any issue
"with that, go ahead."
I've been when she gets back from the taxi,
she says, "What's the plan now?"
They say, "We're gonna put you on an airplane
"and fly 4.5 hours to Barbados."
Even if we don't know why we're gonna do that,
since you would think forced prostitution in one island
nation would be as good as in another,
we're confident you wanna alert anyone in the airport
or in the plane and you won't have any problem
with border customs guards when we get to the new country.
When they get to Barbados, Amy's like, "What now?"
They say, "It's been a year.
"We're gonna take some pictures of you
"and put them on a prostitution website."
Amy says, "That seems kinda risky, aren't you worried
"someone will notice me?"
They say, "No, because we're gonna have your tattoos
"and the laser removed and get you plastic surgery
"to alter your nose."
Amy's like, "You're gonna go to all that expense
"for one trafficked girl?"
They're like, "Of course we are."
Like your mother said, "You are the prize."
Amy was like, "It seems like it would be easier
"to blur my face in the website photo
"than to get my tattoos laser removal and a nose job,
"but you're the professional human trafficker,
"so who am I to second guess you?"
Do you want me to keep going?
- Yeah, I wanna know how it ends.
- Okay, we're also gonna make you look like
you're in your forties in the photo,
even though you disappeared in 1998 at 23 years old,
and this website is dated 1999,
and your searchers discovered it in 2005.
So this is all going swimmingly,
and one day, Amy's like, "I'd like to have lunch in a restaurant
"and then go into the bathroom alone
"and have a conversation with an American tourist."
The traffickers are like, "No problem, sweetie.
"Nobody will believe a witness or two anyway."
There are always crazy people who insert themselves
into news stories falsely.
Remember when that car guy confessed to murdering
John Bene Ramsey like 10 years after the fact
and everyone got excited,
and the police held news conferences saying they solved the case,
but then his ex-wife proved they were out of the state
visiting her parents for Christmas when the murder happened,
and it turned out the guy was just a loon.
Nobody would credit a couple people.
- Couple blah, blah, blah.
Amy says, "People are gonna know the bass player trafficked me.
"You want definitive proof?
"He's black and I danced with him."
There you go, better than DNA.
The traffickers go, "He's a musician on a cruise ship.
"Why do you think 95% of career musicians are men
"for the penny it pays?
"Guys do this for the trim, sweetie."
Finding a bad member, hitting on a woman after a show,
is about as unusual as finding a hamburger at Wendy's.
Anyway, then it goes on, and then she goes,
the person says, "That's obviously what happened."
'Cause otherwise you'd have to believe
that a woman who is nauseous from drinking seven beers
pushed the table against the railing,
stood on it to throw up over the side,
and being 57 plus standing on a table
fell over the railing, dropped 80 feet to the ocean and drowned,
but that's just crazy.
- Yeah, that was great,
but I kinda think that that's what happened at the end,
in which she said.
- Yeah, that's what so many people who have shifted.
- Yes, but there's way more than that,
which I won't read you,
'cause that would be a long read,
'cause I have more stuff.
I found an article from, basically,
there's articles refuting everything
that was in the documentary.
- Yeah, I've been seeing that.
And somebody who, this is, there's an article,
if you go to Amy Bradley,
it's subreddit, are Amy Lynn Bradley.
- Okay.
- Not the, there's the,
Netflix documentary,
but there's one that's just dedicated to her.
And there's a whole post by somebody in law enforcement.
It's really good, basically talking about how
the human trafficking doesn't work that way.
- It just doesn't work that way.
- They're just not kidnapping like a woman, a girl,
a 23 year old, like with her parents.
- Right.
- It's gonna be missing immediately.
- Right.
- Also, this brother.
Yeah, what's the deal?
- Who goes by the name Brad Bradley,
even though his name is Ronald Bradley.
- Okay.
- His middle name is Brad.
He is a fucking nightmare.
And he's super racist and awful.
And like, fringe, all right.
Like all of his posts are like, first of all,
he's accused so many like random black people of this crime.
And he's really on the yellow had something to do with it.
First of all, yellow wasn't even the last person to see her.
- Right.
And didn't he pass the test?
- Tastipolygraph, he wasn't the last person to see her.
- Right.
- It's, the, her parents were.
Her dad was the last person to see her.
There's all kinds of weird shit.
You got to wonder too, like why the dad was calling,
like trying to say that she was missing,
literally like an hour after he got to the top.
- That's, I wondered that too.
I wondered that.
- What person?
- Right.
- First of all, she was out dancing all of the,
she comes in.
Apparently the parents went out to go get her
and Brad Bradley.
- Right.
- To come back.
Brad Bradley also tried to maybe pin it
onto black women that she was talking to.
This guy is super, super, fucking racist, weird.
And every one of his posts are crazy, like,
really, really homophobic.
- Right.
So I was hearing that he was posting something about Scientology
or something, do you know that?
He thinks that Scientologists, yeah, abducted her.
He's like a total conspiracy theory.
- He kind of got to.
- So he's all over the map.
Yeah, I just found the documentary.
- He's nuts and he lied.
And there's a bunch of proven, I mean, I can't,
I don't wanna get into it.
- Yeah.
- I thought I don't want to,
but I can't off the top of my head, remember?
- Right.
- All the things that weren't the same in his interviews
as they were from like witness accounts.
- Right.
- So now we need to discuss like, okay.
So there was the guy that came forward
that I last week was like, yeah,
but the guy, the military guy who was the star in the bar.
But you have to remember how many cranks come forward.
And I seriously doubt that she was like,
"Mom, name's Amy Bradley.
"I was abducted, I need help."
Okay, so she never did that to anybody else.
- Right.
- She's wandering around,
prostituting herself in bars.
But never, not to anyone else, was she like, I need help?
- Yeah. - Just this guy.
- Right.
- Just this special guy who's like,
"Oh, thank you for time you need help,
"but I'm not gonna be able to do that."
Because like, it was the guy he said
from the military, right, that she was Amy Bradley.
Right?
- Yeah.
- It was him.
- Yeah, who was like, he was basically in a bravo.
- Right.
- And then he said, yeah, I know it was her
because she told me her name was Amy Bradley
and she needed help, remember?
And then he was like, but I couldn't help her
because I would have gotten kicked out.
Like, he didn't want to lose his pension.
- Right.
- Yeah.
That guy is just after the fact wanting to insert himself
as many people do.
This is like a common thing.
- Yeah, that's true.
And also like the documentary just seemed a little,
it was, they kept going like, everybody was like,
talking about how great she and where is Amy
and everybody's staring at her and the waiters,
where is Amy, where is Amy?
And now we'll knock to Amy, but she's not,
it's like feminine looking.
- Right.
- You know, I'm sure there's other girls on the boat.
And I think they said something like,
well, she was like one of the youngest on the boat.
I don't know about that.
Like, you're on a fucking cruise to,
why is there like, I'm sure there is young girls
her age on the boat.
But you know, I don't know.
And also, if you notice, she doesn't smile
very much in pictures.
She seems like, I think she was very unhappy.
- I agree.
- And I think she was dragged on this cruise
and I think her parents were absolutely,
first of all, they were absolutely not okay
with her being gay.
I mean, dad had sent that letter,
to her girlfriend.
- Mm-hmm.
- I think, you know, the letter that she gave to her girlfriend,
I feel like that was, like, it sounded,
if you think about it this way,
it could be read a little bit more as like a suit,
like a, like a suicide, a little bit.
Like, a, I just want you to know, like,
I don't have to care about you.
Like, because I think she's thinking
I'm not gonna be allowed to be part of this family.
I mean, if you could see some of the stuff
the brother posts, it's insanity.
So she must have been miserable in that family.
And maybe they were like, you're gonna go,
dad was obviously the same as the brother.
- Right, right.
I think that she, because she was laying down
and not feeling good, I think that she,
got up, yeah, to like puke.
- I think she was drunk.
- And fell off, right.
Because if you're drinking all that,
you don't just pass out and then wake up
like an hour or two later.
- Also, she didn't bring, she didn't bring her key card,
her purse, her shoes.
- Right.
- We're on the balcony still.
- Right.
- And she's gone.
And the dad was saying everybody was sleeping
in the main cabin.
She went out there to get some air.
If she had come back into the room
and then gone out the front door,
they would have woken up.
- Right.
How do they sleep through all that?
- Room is really, really tiny.
- It's small.
- And if you open up the sliding door on a crew,
you're gonna hear like,
I think, yes, exactly.
It creates like a wind time when you open it.
- Yes, yes, yes.
- So they're sleeping through that.
They're opening and closing the door and they're sleeping.
So the dad claims that he like briefly woke up
to he heard something.
He probably heard her going overboard.
- Yeah.
- That's what I think now.
- I think so too.
I think she was throwing up.
I don't think she wanted to go throw up inside
'cause she didn't want the parents to hear her probably.
'Cause she was always didn't want to disappoint her parents.
They made a point of saying that.
Like her friends were saying that.
- Yes.
- So I don't know.
Like maybe she didn't want, I don't know.
So obviously if you're throwing, you know,
that's something I would do if I was sick
and my fucking parents were right there.
I'm gonna go over the, I'm gonna puke overboard.
But to fall, I don't know.
That's, well, but there was a table pushed up
with the railing. - Yeah, right, right.
- Which it seems like she got up on.
- On top of.
'Cause why else would it be pushed up there?
- Yeah.
- It's just these, but the only thing that makes sense
and now that I'm like, the whole picture thing,
and a lot of people say it's not her.
- Right.
- No, nobody said it's definitively her.
And also again, it is true what I just read you.
The picture was supposedly from a year after.
So like why would she suddenly look like she's in her 40s?
- Oh, really?
I didn't realize that.
- Yeah.
- It was from 1999 and she disappeared in 1998.
- And when did they get the picture then?
- They got the picture later in like the 2000s.
- Yes, but it was from a year after she disappeared.
- Like when she was genuinely sex trafficked
and they were finding all these leads
and they were looking for her, they would have killed her.
She's not.
- Yeah.
- All the things about like, oh, but there's everything
that they kind of said in the documentary
can kind of be explained.
- Yeah, and yeah, when you look at it that way, yeah.
One guy though did say that if she fell in the ocean,
her body, parts of her body would--
- Okay, I've read a lot of stuff about that.
They're saying like that's just simply not true.
First of all, they weren't in shallow water,
which they tried to say.
They were at least, they were a couple of miles from shore.
So they were coming in to shore,
but they were still in very deep water.
- Right.
- Where she could have easily just disappeared.
- Right.
- Not everybody, there's tons of people
that just fell in the ocean and never found again.
- Yeah, yeah.
I think that she's, I think that's what happened.
- Yeah.
- You solved it.
- I think we did solve it now that you think about it.
I don't, you know about feeling though
when you're like, I was so sure about my opinion,
like I was-- - Yes, yeah.
- 'Cause you watch a documentary and you're like,
yeah, that's, you know?
- Yeah.
- But then you start reading about people
that have been following the case for many years
and you're like, oh, now I feel stupid.
- I know, I know.
Well, but you know, a lot of documentaries are not truthful.
I mean, they can skew it the way they want to skew it,
you know, just because it's a documentary.
- I know you have to be so careful.
- Right.
And because the family wanted to do the documentary, right?
Did they want to do it or?
Well, because they were included, you know,
they skewed it towards what they were saying, you know?
- Yeah.
I mean, I think that the mom is genuinely very sad.
- Yeah.
- I think the dad is still, I think, standing by
the fact that he sent that letter to the girlfriend.
And last time I was like, well, it was the 90s.
They were from the South, maybe.
But then when you look at it now and you go,
this brother is now rabidly homophobic.
- Yeah.
- In 2025.
- Right.
Right.
He just constantly posts stuff.
There was like something, there was like a Rosio Donald thing
where they said if Rosio Donald was in the water
with a shark, what would you throw in to help her?
Or whatever, and he responded to that like another shark.
Like it was just like, he's one of those.
- Yeah.
- It's like, just interesting that you're talking about the ocean,
somebody in the water.
- Right.
- And a lesbian.
- Yes.
- And you're like, that's what you're gonna do.
- It's just, yeah.
- But just constant like racist.
- Is it on, is he on X?
- Yeah.
- Is that, yeah.
- Yeah, so I haven't like seen it myself,
but people reposted it and showed a lot of the stuff
in his comments to people.
It's real bad.
- Yeah, see, and supposedly they were close, but--
- I don't think so.
- Yeah, I think he was probably disappointed.
Yeah, I definitely don't think she could be who she was
without family.
- I don't think so either.
Right now I gotta rewatch the documentary.
- I know, right?
But then you're, it's like, the stuff like the lady,
they spent so much time with that lady who was like,
yeah, I heard her in the bathroom or whatever,
but I don't think she saw her.
Also, I just don't, I think that a lot of people,
like, I think it was a good point in what I read you that
you look at something like the Jambane Ramsey case.
- Right.
- So many people that are like, I have a lead.
- Yes, so people want to be a part of things
and they think they saw something.
- Right, right.
- Isn't really part that you find out later
is not possible that they saw.
- And she kind of has like a generic face, you know what I mean?
Like all American, blonde, pixie.
You know, she just, she kind of, like,
she didn't have like distinctive feature.
So that mom who saw her on Dr. Phil,
and she's like, oh my god, I saw her.
Like, how do you know for sure that was her?
Maybe she saw another, you know what I mean?
Like, it just doesn't, yeah, I think a lot of people
like want to be a part of something and think, yeah, I don't know.
- Yeah, I don't know, but it looks like I didn't really solve it.
I think we solved it just now.
- I mean, we have a very strong theory.
I don't, this girl's not getting found.
That's for sure.
- No.
- If she was alive and sex trafficked at this point,
she would have been killed or she would have come home
or she would have called somebody.
- Oh, what about the IP address where somebody was watching them?
- I mean, that could be anything.
That's the thing, like, when you think about it,
you're like, yeah, that sounds like such a good tip.
- Right.
- Who else would check pictures?
Well, anybody that's interested in the case.
- Mm.
I know.
In Barbados.
I didn't realize it was that far from where she was out.
- Yeah.
- I think so.
- Yeah.
- I think so, right?
- Yeah.
- Is that also kind of liquor?
- Yes.
It's got that little cue thing.
- Yeah.
- I'm sure that somebody will tell me I pronounced that totally wrong.
I butchered it.
- Sure.
- I don't know.
I've only seen it.
I don't feel like I've heard it said,
Curacao said that many times.
- I mean, in the documentary, but--
- Oh, did they say it?
- A couple times, yeah.
But I have bad hearing.
That's why I have the captions on.
- So you see it spelled?
- Yeah, I see how it's spelled.
- Yeah.
- That little squiggly thing.
- I just don't, I don't want to be shamed.
Listen.
- Are you afraid that you disappeared?
- So I think we have bigger fish to fry than like my pronunciation of Curacao, whether
it's right or wrong.
- Right.
(laughs)
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(laughs)
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If you want a new podcast, listen to Try The Family Skeptical.
It's a great podcast for raising kids without religion.
If you want to read something, why don't you go to medium.com and listen to or read our
friend unbecoming stories about being married to a freaking nightmare man, military.
Yeah, so unbecoming stories.
But I'm just going to do the last two and then we'll only have two on Friday.
So Gabby, our friend Gabby, United Farm Workers, go to ufw.org and give some money to the
labor union for farm workers.
Awesome.
Thank you, Gabby.
Yeah.
And Robin got her puppy from pupculturerescue.org.
It's a really great rescue.
Yes, they really help these dogs out.
Your donations are tax deductible.
It helps get, grab more dogs from the shelters and get them medical care and get them adopted
out.
I love it.
Yeah, so pupculturerescue.org.
All right, that's it.
Well, thank you guys.
This was a good show.
I know.
I think you're a parent now.
Well, don't eff it up.
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