After a few seconds of silence, they started hearing "walking downstairs" so they called the cops.
While waiting, they could still hear someone walking and heard the sight door opened and closed.
It legit could have been like a person.
I mean, yeah, very legitimately.
So calling the police was probably not a bad idea.
I hope this isn't a true crime story.
Hi, Caitlyn.
Hi, Cassie.
Hi, Creepy people.
Hi!
Well, if you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides,
where we have shenanigans.
We talk about true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy, spooky, weird,
and the Pacific Northwest.
It's true.
We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.
'Cause it's spooky and we like it.
Yes.
And for the creepy people Chronicles episode, if you send us a story, you get your very own tarot read for your story.
It's also true.
So that's pretty cool.
I like it.
Do I get a tarot read for my story this week?
I guess you did one for me.
Yeah, that's true.
So I suppose technically, yes.
Okay, cool.
If you want one.
I do.
This is my show.
I get what I want.
Respect Patharta.
So let's talk about this peppermint/ketchup thing real quick.
And I'll insert it to the beginning.
This is literally just a stream of consciousness of so many things that we've had like on the radar.
But this happened today.
We were discussing before this episode if ketchup was spicy or not.
I think it is.
Spicy isn't hot.
I think it's a little bit hot in my mouth.
What do you, and you don't think so?
I keep my ketchup in the fridge, so it is quite literally cold.
It is cold, but it's spicy.
I don't think that it's spicy, which is a rare stance for me to take on almost anything.
I agree.
Because everything is spicy.
And we're not talking about the sugary ketchup.
We're talking about the Portland ketchup.
Yeah.
And if you've never had Portland ketchup, you got to get some.
Come to Portland.
And get some.
Get you some of that.
And that doesn't mean ketchup you find on the street in Portland.
Yeah.
Please don't eat that Portland ketchup.
I feel like it goes without saying, but it's like a smash McDonald's ketchup.
I can't do that.
That's not what we mean.
Yeah.
That's still, that's not it.
But I was also telling Caitlin a funny story that I heard from a friend this weekend.
Oh my God.
About someone they met that thought peppermint was spicy.
And then Caitlin says, peppermint is spicy, but ketchup isn't.
No, ketchup is acidic.
It's spicy.
I think your taste buds are confused.
I think there's like cayenne in there.
There's got to be some spice.
Okay.
The ingredients of ketchup right now.
Okay.
I can.
But what in peppermint is spicy?
Like it's minty?
Mint.
It's minty.
Like spicy.
It's cold.
Peppermint.
Well, it's cold, but it's spicy.
A frostbite.
Like a frostburn.
Yeah.
Okay.
I get it now.
But I wouldn't call it spicy.
I would call it a frostbite.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to frostbite in my mouth from the peppermint.
I don't like peppermint.
I don't like candy canes.
I don't like little peppermint candy.
You use mint.
Okay.
You guys, I don't know if you knew this or not, because I don't...
I did not know this.
I'll be honest.
Um, ketchup is not vegan.
What?
Yeah.
Ketchup is not vegan.
Standardly, at least.
Okay.
I'm going to the Wikipedia, because this is...
This is salacious.
What?
Okay.
Ketchup or ketchup is a table condiment with a sweet and sour flavor.
It shouldn't be sweet.
It should never be.
Yeah.
No.
Okay.
So the unmodified term ketchup now typically refers to tomato ketchup.
So early recipes for various different varieties of ketchup contained mushrooms, oysters,
mussels, egg whites, grapes, or walnuts.
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
I was like, what kind of weird animal product do they add to this?
Honestly, I get it.
I don't know about hines.
I'd have to look into this a little bit closer, but um, Cassie, can you take a look at this
picture of the mushroom ketchup?
Yum.
I do that.
I love mushrooms.
I would too, but that legitimately looks like somebody dropped a dos.
It does.
Into that condiment cup.
It does.
So I have a lot of feelings about that.
All right.
But no spicy?
No.
Spicy.
You forgot the reason for the Google search.
I don't see anything that indicates spicy.
Okay.
I'm going to find it.
It's there.
My tongue does not lie.
Catch up.
Like my hips.
Ingredients.
Oh, okay.
This is what I was going to guess.
Okay.
So there's white vinegar in it.
And I bet you that's what you think is spicy, but it's biting.
There's cayenne in it.
No, there's not.
I googled Portland ketchup.
I had to look.
Coyon.
It's the second to last.
Is that is that their website?
No.
Yes.
No, it's not.
It's Portlandia Foods website.
All organic.
It has the picture of the Portlandia or I'm sorry Portland ketchup.
And it says the ingredients have cayenne.
I'm not crazy.
You're gaslighting me.
Honestly, you sound crazy right now.
I still think it's the vinegar.
I don't think it's the cayenne.
It is not spicy.
It's the cayenne.
Okay.
I have eaten pepperoni pizza that I thought was spicy pepperoni is spicy.
I...
Okay.
Spicy.
How about y'all give us your opinion?
Is ketchup spicy?
It's hot.
Tonight at 10.
Is ketchup spicy?
Back to you in the studio.
I say yes.
You have like the perfect news anchor voice.
Oh, yeah.
Oh my god.
I never thought so.
Oh.
I always thought you should be on the news.
Like...
I really wanted to be a journalist.
Yeah.
Like a news anchor and/or journalist.
Well, now look at you.
I wanted to write the copy and then read the copy.
Do we need you made your dream come true?
Okay.
You're going to think I'm so stupid.
No.
I literally did not realize that until I was this many minutes and seconds old.
Really?
Yeah.
I just...
I did not put that together.
How did you not put that together?
I'm writing and reading the copy.
Oh my god.
I don't know.
I didn't think about it that hard.
I'm like, "Well, I'm a podcaster."
So that's different.
And I never went and got a degree in journalism.
But you are writing the things and you're reading them.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
How cool is that?
Are you crying?
No.
Oh my god.
I'm not crying.
But I do feel like...
I know.
I feel like sweaty.
Yeah.
Can you play me?
Maybe that's because of the scary story you're about to read.
It's probably combination of factors.
Okay.
All right.
Well anyways, rip that bandaid in my rate.
That's not the sound a bandaid makes when it comes off.
I mean, it could.
Like, if you put a bandaid on your butthole.
Does it do...
I feel like maybe.
I feel like you probably wouldn't want to do that.
Yeah.
I'm not willing to try it.
Anyone listening is.
Like a...like a scented bandaid.
Can you imagine?
Do you want to hear my story?
Yes.
Okay.
So Caitlin kind of knows a little bit of my story because I was texting her.
Do you want to hear my story?
Yes.
Okay.
Remember when I was house sitting this weekend?
Oh.
Yeah.
And I was like, I'll tell you the rest of the story on the pod.
Ah!
So, I was house sitting this weekend with some dogs and cats, 19 chickens, you know, super casual.
Yeah.
And they have children.
So, there's children's toys all over the house.
And I'm sitting there one night, mended my own business, and a child's toy goes off.
No.
And I'm like, okay.
This is fine.
Unacceptable.
But I'm looking around and I'm like, I don't see it anywhere.
And I'm like, okay.
I'm not in the mood for this.
If this is a ghost, like mentally I'm saying this.
If this is a ghost, like, I'm not in the mood, just please go away.
A couple seconds later, I hear, bye-bye!
From the fucking toy.
And I was like, did I just do that with my mind?
Ah!
I just told a ghost to go away with my mind.
So, I was like kind of frozen at this point and I was like, okay.
Is this actually real?
Like, is this actually happening?
And this thing just said goodbye to me.
I told it to go away.
So, I'm texting Caitlin.
Like, I'm freaking out.
I was like, I'm alone.
It's dark.
I don't know what to do.
So, I start looking around and I'm like, okay.
I'm trying to find this toy.
I look over at the couch.
Cassie is a dog.
And under that dog is a toy.
Oh my god.
So, the dog was moving around and pushing buttons on the toy.
Okay.
I was like, bitch, if you tell me that there was a doll on this couch.
I wish it was a better story, but no, it was definitely just the dog rolling around.
The toy was like under the cushion.
That's how every story would end if I was writing a horror movie.
Like, just kidding.
It was okay.
Yeah.
JK, it's horror.
Horror.
Well, nothing else spooky happened.
So, I assume it was just, it was just the dog on the toy pushing the buttons.
But, okay.
I couldn't tell where it was coming from.
It didn't sound like it was coming from the couch, you know.
I don't like that.
Yeah, it was really weird.
But not a fan.
Just like mentally telling something to go away and then hearing bye bye was just like the
creepiest thing that happened.
Let's just assume that you can make ghosts and/or other paranormal phenomena disappear.
Okay.
Because by the time this comes out, it'll be a little bit closer to a trip that we're working
on, planning.
And depending on where we decide to stay, we might need to call on you for that.
To make ghosts go away?
Yeah.
I'm the shield.
Okay.
I'll protect you.
Great.
Because I'm basically a fly paper.
Demon's stuck all over you.
Well, you try waking up on your 33rd birthday at 333.
I wish.
That's so cool to me.
I mean, yeah, if it wasn't the most horrific nightmare I've ever had.
Oh, okay.
So I remember that nightmare you had and I literally had a similar one the other day.
Yeah.
It wasn't the same, but it was kind of the same and it was really sad.
Not a fan.
No, it was actually that was when I was house sitting.
So I guess something weird did happen.
I had a terrible dream that I will not repeat because I it will not happen.
No.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I hate that.
I'll tell you after.
I hate that for everyone involved.
Well, should we move on to maybe another creepy spooky story that I have not read and it
sounds pretty terrifying?
I wait.
You did you skin?
So I only skimmed the I think it was the beginning just to see.
So you're just sending me into this blind?
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Listen, you you plan one semi spooky sleepover and you give them an inch and they will take
a mile.
She did.
I got her.
I got my hooks in her.
But what have I done?
What have I done?
I often think the same.
It's it's too much.
I'm already scared and cut.
No cut.
Oh, Lloyd.
Okay.
All right.
I am so excited for the story though because I did email her back and told her that we haven't
read it but we are reading it soon.
Oh, boy.
Okay.
So I assume then that we have permission to share the name of our story, Tela.
I assume so that's not the first time we've heard a story.
A repeat offender.
Oh, yeah.
I think it's our favorite repeat offender.
I don't you know, she tells a good story.
She's got, she's got a lot of spookiness going on.
Little bit.
Okay.
All right.
Karen.
Hi, Karen.
Welcome back.
Her email reads.
Hi.
Long time no email.
I said, been that one.
I feel like it hasn't been that long.
But yeah, it feels like it was just yesterday.
But I guess you know, trauma has different effects on different people.
Is this her third story?
I feel like she named it Spooky Stories 3 or something.
I was going to ask you.
I'm going to go with what the title says.
Spooky story 3.
Okay.
She says, hope you guys are doing well.
I got, oh, Cassie.
I got three stories.
I feel like that TikTok.
I got three looks.
And that's it.
So we were just talking about your third birthday and waking up at 3.33.
And now she's got her third Spooky story with three of them.
Anywho.
Getting right back into it.
Yeah, stop stalling, Karen.
I know.
Hey, that is not on me.
Okay.
I got three stories today and I promise the last one is funny.
Okay.
She promises.
Okay.
As for the other two, well, that's up to you.
Anyways, enjoy.
Karen, that sounds really ominous.
Am I mad at you in the future?
Not if it ends with the funny.
Okay.
You're always forgiven if it ends with the funny.
Okay.
In my book.
Okay.
I'm excited about the scary too.
Well, I have complicated feelings because I don't want any of the creepy people to go through
scary things, but I also want to hear about the scary things.
I know.
So, and you know what?
I wasn't going to say anything about this.
I didn't really have anything, I guess, prepared, but we were talking about it right before
we started recording.
And as we're recording this episode, we released the creepy people Chronicles just prior.
And that had my story in it.
And there were so many people that reached out to us and said such nice things and they
felt like they needed to check up on me and make sure I was okay and it was very sweet.
And it was lovely.
That is really sweet.
Yeah.
It's like, "Oh, I love that."
Oh, feelings.
People care about Caitlin.
They don't want a crazy person to run at her.
Yeah.
Little add on here.
I've been trying to finish this for the past two months, but I had a little visitor.
And for my own sake, I had to take a break and try to get rid of it more in the second story.
Yeah.
So, that's as far as I read.
And so, I emailed her back and I was like, "I hope you're okay.
I hope we'll send good, I was sending good vibes."
So...
The time of this email, Karen says, "It's still around soul.
It is what it is."
Yeah.
She did email back and said that it's cooled down a little bit.
So hopefully the vibes and getting it out worked.
I'm so nervous to hear it though.
I don't know why.
Okay.
My mom and stepdad have lived in this house for about five years or so.
About a month in, they were in their room upstairs and heard the front door open and slammed shut.
Nope.
Okay.
I'm moving.
I mean, that could be explained.
Or you could just move.
Maybe someone thought they lived there and was like, "Oh, shit, I don't live here and slam
the door."
Oh my god.
Hopefully it was locked.
I don't know.
Always locked the door.
Was it locked?
I don't know.
After a few seconds of silence, they started hearing walking downstairs.
So they called the cops.
I would too.
Yeah.
While waiting, they could still hear someone walking and heard the side door opened and closed.
It says, "The station is like a 30-second drive away."
So it's like, "It legit could have been like a person."
I mean, yeah, very legitimately.
So calling the police was probably not a bad idea.
I hope this isn't a true crime story.
Since it was being treated as a break-in, quite a few patrol cars showed up and started looking
around the back and side yard but found nothing.
That's almost worse.
Okay, but yeah, because they left.
They heard them leave.
Yeah.
They left the side door.
When they got to the front door, it was locked and my parents had to open it to let the
officer inside.
Okay, but maybe the person locked it.
Opened it, closed it, locked it, walked around, left out the side door.
It doesn't say that the deadbolt was locked, but that's what I'm picturing.
But yeah, if they locked it from inside, though.
And then went out the side.
Or she was saying the side door was locked.
Oh, no.
This is definitely the front.
Yeah.
Okay.
When they got to the front door, it was locked and my parents had to open it to let the
officer inside.
They found that all windows and doors were locked from the inside and nothing was out of
place.
I hate it.
Oh, that just makes me wonder if you can lock the side door from the inside and then you
know how you can lock it in the front door.
If it's not the deadbolt, yeah.
I don't know.
I would assume.
She said we can email her.
So I go ask.
The primary room is the scariest, which is downstairs.
And when it was used as storage, we would come.
Oh.
And when it was used as storage, we would cross it to use the bathroom and every now and
then I would see someone standing in the corner.
Carrot.
That is such a casual sentence that isn't even over.
Oh, my God.
I was the only one to see it.
Oh, no.
Because you're sensitive.
Your next parenthesis being spiritually sensitive can be a headache sometimes.
I'm a witch.
I haven't read this.
I swear.
Oh, my God.
But do you think that's why I have a literal headache like my grains all the time?
Yeah, we both do.
I wonder.
Oh, boy.
Okay.
It's possible.
No, it's fine.
I'm sure that's totally unrelated.
I've been told there's something way behind me draining my energy all the time.
I don't like that.
I don't either.
Before I start the story, you're not start.
Okay.
Okay, Karen, we have to have a little talk about what is an introduction to the body and the
conclusion.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
I'm ready.
That is probably several octaves too high.
Um, future Cassie, feel free to edit as needed.
Oh, boy.
Okay.
Before I start the story, I'll say this.
I've been taught.
Don't say its name because it will call them to you.
Yeah, I've heard that.
Yeah.
Like with demons.
If you want to know the name, look up Elf in Spanish.
It starts with the D, their gnome like creatures.
Oh, I'm not going to say it because I don't want it to come to Karen just in case.
What was it?
I think it would come to me.
So say it even less.
My step mama, Sylvia, told my sister and I this one.
Her daughter has always had a fascination with these creatures.
And every time she wanted to get one, Sylvia would say no because she didn't like them.
A few years later, her daughter moved out.
She started seeing two little figures, a white and a black one running around the house.
And she started cleaning out her daughter's room and found them hidden in the back of a wardrobe.
Guess what?
A white and a black one.
Ooh, a wardrobe.
Is it going to take you to the Arnea?
How do you get one though?
How do you go about getting one?
Well, it's a figurine.
She just had the figurines because the stepmom always said no, I can't even have the figurine
but she somehow got that.
Okay.
I love them and then she was seeing little, because they probably inhabit the figurine.
Oh my gosh, I could, I was going around like, how do you get a little, oh, like I won't.
Adoptileff.com.
Okay, I want one of the figurines.
Adoptile, do you dare me to say it?
No.
Okay, do you even know how to pronounce it because I don't?
I do and now I still like, I have to.
No, don't say it.
I trust Karen, we should say it.
We won't say it.
We're not going to say it.
I kind of want to say it.
We're not going to say it.
Say it later.
Okay.
She asked her then husband to get rid of them and hoped for the best because it's known
if you wrong them in any way, they can get aggressive and hurt someone.
I would throw them away.
I'm really glad I didn't say it now.
I would Google not.
I love how we could just Google things now.
We were talking earlier.
We were like, how do we do a say else?
We were like, let's just Google it.
But I would want to figure out maybe like what they like where they want to be and like
take them there.
Yeah.
Maybe not just like toss them out.
Let's see.
Empath in you.
You're like, oh, where do they want to be?
Yeah.
I want them to live their little best no-mish, selfish life.
Or mind you of a little story I, another story I have after, for after.
Okay.
Don't let me forget.
Okay.
Karen says, thankfully that didn't happen and they never showed up again.
Okay.
Maybe they like the dumpster.
I hope they didn't just go on the dumpster.
It sounds like maybe you took them to an antique store.
Maybe.
Good will.
Maybe.
There's someone else's problem now.
Yeah.
That's the most important piece of the puzzle.
I'm going to find them and gift them to you for Christmas.
No, thank you.
My little visitor happened to be one of these creatures.
I thought you said it was okay.
Here's how it happened.
I was talking out loud to myself when I started typing up this email and happened to say
the name and a while later I was on IG on a video.
I'm glad you didn't say it.
I told you I knew I had a feeling Karen was right.
Just don't say it.
Oh my god.
I cannot believe how overwhelming the urge was to say it.
I think it wanted you to.
I think it did.
I can't not hear it in my mind.
Are you just like repeating it in your mind?
No, I'm trying.
I'm trying actively not to.
But in your dog's mind.
And also my dog is my name.
Molly.
That was.
She's Charlie.
Oh, is that Charlie?
He's staring at the door.
Charlie, it's okay.
There's not oh my god.
It rhymes with, okay.
So I wanted to say it again.
I was going to say it's not a.
Oh my god.
What is happening?
This reminds you of the time where I played the Ouija board on Halloween and I wanted to go
downstairs for absolutely no reason.
No.
But I just like had the urge to go downstairs and I'm like, why do I want to go down there?
I don't.
There's nothing down there.
No.
That's what this reminds me of.
Oh my god.
You guys, I'm having serious second thoughts about trip location number two because I'm
pretty sure that I will just be summoned out to the sea.
No.
We'll protect you.
We'll have protections.
Oh my god.
I'll be your shield.
I'm a shield like Bella from Twilight.
Oh my god.
Can you be a better shield and have more faces?
Did it work?
Are you having more faces?
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Moving on.
Okay.
Later, I was on IG and a video popped up about them.
About them.
A video about them popped up.
Because your phone heard you fucking saying it.
Oh my god.
It was getting a little late so I went out to water my plans and I was in the backyard
and it felt like someone was watching me.
So I looked around and behind the garbage bin, along the fence, I saw something move really
quick and at first I thought it was just a weed.
A weed that was moving due to the wind.
But I realized there was no wind.
Oh yeah.
That's important to know.
Karen.
Maybe it was like a little mouse moving.
Oh my god.
Something.
I don't know.
And what I saw looked like a white face in the hands, let go of the fence when I saw it.
So this is like a little white creature clasping to the fence.
Wow.
Until she looks at it and then it's like, oh.
That's what I imagined.
Was it?
Did you go to Karen's?
This is the one Karen tells that I maybe would visit.
If it's on it, I don't know.
That's why she's maybe.
Oh my god.
Oh no.
Oh my god.
Okay.
Thankfully, it hasn't tried to bug me or get inside but I've seen it around outside of
the house especially at night.
Is it a possum?
Karen, it's a possum, right?
I don't.
Right.
They're white and they have little white hands.
I mean, I don't.
I feel like that's pretty.
I don't think so.
I feel like you would know what a possum is and they're out at night.
They're out at night.
Fun fact.
We had possums in the backyard and she would always want to go out there and fuck with the
possums at night.
So we were always joking like, it's her friends.
Like she has friends at the possums and one night.
I fucking saw one of them.
They're so creepy but they're so cute.
But yeah, I think you would know if it was a possum.
Oh god.
Okay.
Oh my god.
Karen, why?
One time I saw it on the roof outside my window and when I say I've never gotten up so
fast to close the curtain.
Man, I dang near-peed myself and do you think it's like trying to get inside?
It doesn't seem like it.
It seems like it.
Kind of.
Do you have to invite it like a vampire?
I don't know.
About a week after my sister and I needed to run some errands and my younger brother didn't
want to go.
So we locked the doors and left.
When we got home, the back door was open and I asked my brother if he went outside at all
and he said no.
That he's been on the TV the whole time.
Then I asked my sister if she closed the door and she said yes.
And that she even locked it on top.
So we were freaking out a little.
Just a little.
No.
Just a little.
Just sorry.
That was a little loud.
It's the brother just so sucked into the TV.
He just didn't even.
That's such a brother thing to do.
It really is.
That's so relatable.
After that, I told it, it can't do that again and just start playing around like that.
Since then, I still see it, but it doesn't play with anything at the house.
Good.
I mean, not that you still see it, but that it's like it listened.
I just have a lot of feelings about this.
And if we've said it once, we've said it a hundred times, possibly a thousand.
You know how I feel about feelings.
You feel them?
She's toying with me.
Okay.
Last story, Karen says.
This is the funny one, right?
Okay.
Really?
In North Bend, there's a camp called Wascoitz and it's this huge property that's along the
Snacquami River.
So if there's actual paranormal stuff there, I wouldn't be surprised and I wouldn't be
either.
When I was in the 10th grade, I was there for some lit comp stuff every other weekend.
Oh man.
What's that?
Oh.
I was like, you remember we took it out.
Yeah.
Tessie blacked out for his weekend.
I remember when we took that terrible class.
Remember when we took like an AP comp class?
I was living for that class and you're like, I am not a writer.
I am not a writer.
Did I?
You are a writer.
I wrote about Tom Cruise in our test.
In our key test at the end of the year.
Okay.
I'm going to need to hear more about that.
I don't remember.
I just know that I wrote about him because I didn't understand what to do.
I, okay.
Tom.
I got a cruise.
I got to see you.
It's you, Pei.
In the class.
I don't know about the test.
I don't remember.
Oh, okay.
We are circling back.
Okay.
We can't.
I will try my best to remember.
Okay.
So when I was in the 10th grade, I was there for some lit comp stuff every other weekend
and on the last night, one of the girls was telling a story about a lady in white that walks
around outside the cabins.
And when it was time for bed, she put a white dress on and we hid in the bushes and she
went to the boys' cabin and started rattling the doors.
Yes.
Oh my god.
I love this.
And all we heard were high-pitched screams.
And then we got caught by the leaders and had to go to bed.
Oh, my goodness.
If I was those leaders, I'd be in on it.
Yeah.
Come on.
Can you say Lame?
Do they have a Can We Be Camp counselors at like 34 or 35?
Are we too old?
Oh, that creepy.
Definitely creepy.
That's all I got for you today.
Hope you enjoyed.
I know a few more creepy Mexico stories if you guys want them.
Have a creepy ass day.
Bye.
Oh, yes, we want them.
Obviously.
Yes, yes, yes.
Were you talking to Karen for real?
I don't know, but I feel like Mexico is just like really creepy.
Like otherworldly, like spooky.
I feel like there are some things that are so creepy that I have been working up too slowly
over almost three years now, having one of my very best friends come on and talk to us
about how creepy they are.
I know.
And I'm maybe almost there.
I was like excited.
I'm like, yeah, let's do this.
Let's do it.
I want to hear these spooky stories.
Working up to it.
You boys like Mexico.
Oh, okay, Karen.
I feel like we had to like take a second after the story.
Wow.
I am glad though that you told this thing that it's not okay to leave the door open when
your little brother is there.
I think you said little brother, right?
Alone.
That's dangerous.
Anyone could get in.
Yeah.
Talk with the doors.
It sounds like he's obviously old enough to be home alone.
So it's not dangerous in the sense that he could wander out.
But if he's like, yeah, but if someone came in and he's not clearly not paying attention.
Right.
Well, you never know the next time he could be babysitting someone who is little enough
and they wander outside and that's dangerous.
I mean, I'm not like trying to put that out into the universe or the ether.
Yeah, you know, good on you for shutting that shit down.
I hope it stays away.
I hope it's not anything like malicious.
Just maybe like a little trickstery, but nothing malicious, I hope.
So let's send our stay outside vibes to the little white creepy thing.
Hit one.
Yes, Cassie.
We have an update, some breaking news about this episode.
Kind of scared to ask.
We are coming to you guys from the future because we recorded that episode a while ago.
That is true.
Oh, I totally forgot that.
I'm so glad I wrote this down.
You have to leave all of this in now because I want people to understand the suspense.
Oh, I will.
Okay.
Karen.
Karen emailed us back.
Is she okay?
Is Karen okay?
Karen is okay.
Okay.
Because we did get some emails back from her up before we recorded and she said she is
okay.
She does continue to be okay.
Excellent.
I just basically emailed her after we read it and said we appreciate your stories because
she wrote us the story.
Some of that stuff happened.
So we don't go putting yourself in harm's way to just to write us a story.
So just, you know, everyone take this as a precaution and be careful if you're writing
stories.
Yes.
Yeah, we don't want anything bad to happen.
Just so we can have a story to read.
Yeah, guys.
We are more than content creators.
We are human beings and so are you.
We love you.
So I got an email back from Karen.
And I clicked on it and you know, there was a preview of the email.
It had a sentence there.
I clicked on it and it is completely gone.
This is the one that you told me about.
Yes.
Isn't it?
I did take a screenshot of the like showing the preview.
So I do have that evidence, but I don't think I can make that happen on my phone right
now or find the photo.
But I can post it if anyone wants to see it.
So I went with email back and I was like, well, not to like make things any weirder, but
I see the message preview for your email and I open it.
It's completely blank.
Oh my God.
So she says, I can't see it either.
That is very weird, but it did let me copy and paste.
So let's try again.
So that this one did come through.
Did it.
Did it fall?
It did.
She was talking about how she didn't want to accidentally invite it into the house, which
yeah, don't do that.
That's a major concern.
But she still sees it every now and then, but mostly like outside the property line.
It hasn't come close so she's not that worried about it.
And she said someone is usually praying.
So I'd say the house is pretty blessed.
So good.
Keep the evil out.
Okay.
I'm worried about it.
Yeah.
So anyway, very weird that she was continuing to talk about these things and this email just
disappeared.
It was there, but it wasn't.
Oh my God.
I don't know that that's ever happened to me, but I've seen.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I've had emails that legitimately disappeared, like as part of like a technical thing with like
Google, right?
Right.
Just stuff.
Just it's just gone.
But not like gone gone, you know, right?
Exactly.
Like gone, gone, gone.
Like I don't see a preview.
There's no indication of it in my email.
But this is like, this is different.
Yeah.
Very weird, very weird.
Well, I don't quite remember what I think I was just, oh, I was just laying in bed watching
TV and I felt like something tapped the top of my foot.
I think this happened right after a right before the emails.
I cannot remember.
I should have wrote that down to.
Really?
So yeah, I was just laying in bed and my toes, you know, were just like up and I just felt
like that, just like something tapped the top of my toes.
And then later I was still watching TV and I see like out of the corner of my eye, this
curtain right here.
It did like a wave, like when a breeze rolls through the curtain.
And I looked and I was like, there's no breeze in here.
Yeah.
I can pegs for it.
I just don't want to.
Yeah.
So that was kind of weird.
Neither time I didn't feel like that scared or uncomfortable.
I was just kind of like, what?
Like did I actually see that?
So it wasn't like a light playing trick on me.
I had my bedroom light on.
The door was closed.
I've never seen my curtains wave in the breeze before because there's no breeze in my
damn room.
I was going to say, like, I think the window would have to be open.
Yeah, it wasn't open.
And there's not like cracks in the window where you know something it slipped through.
I've never seen this.
And like when I smoke in my room, it just hovers.
So you know, like there's no air circulation in here unless I have a fan on and I didn't
have the fan on.
I didn't have on the heat.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that was kind of weird.
It did cleanse my room the other day just in case.
Yeah, I don't know to make of it.
So I don't know if it's the same kind of thing messing with me or what?
Karen, what do you think?
Let me know.
Karen, help us.
And then we did get another email back from the last creepy people chronicles when we
read.
It was one about the sisters.
Oh, yes.
Anonymous emailed back about the tarot card that we pulled.
And they say the tarot, the tarot read was actually more spot on than you could realize.
And I enjoyed learning more about St. Frigid, which I guess we talked about in probably an
extra extra type of thing.
There were some weird synchronicities actually with the card you pulled and some things you
ladies discussed.
Interesting.
So we know nothing about their life or the story.
We just kind of talk about what we think about it.
So apparently it was on.
So that's pretty cool.
We love to hear validation of the cards we pull.
And even if you don't give us details on what, like you don't have to tell us why if it,
we just want to know that you're which is we did a good job.
Well, and if it makes sense for you, if it provides you something that you were looking
for, something you were needing, I love to hear that.
And if it didn't, then we know we probably need to cleanse the deck.
Yeah, yeah, let us know if it didn't, too, I guess.
Do we want to open ourselves up to that?
I don't know.
I mean, I got to tell my little story.
It's pretty short.
Okay.
So I did talk about the bunny.
It's the same place.
The same little park area, same trail as the bunny trail.
So they're like, I've seen the bunny trail now.
I've seen the bunny every other time now.
I've been there.
I want to go every time.
I want to go to there.
Come over.
We'll go and walk.
Okay.
Literally, whenever it's right there, it's not that hard to get to.
I want to go.
Okay.
So there is this magical little tree stump with like two trees around it.
It's a tree stump.
It's all mossy little grassy's poking up.
It's so flippant cute.
And I always just like think that it's like a fairy mound.
Every time I just like, I just know that it's a fairy mound.
I don't know why.
Don't ask me.
It's just the thing I know.
So every time I walk by, I've never like gone up to it because I don't want to disturb
the fairies.
But every time I walk by, I acknowledge it and I just like think about how beautiful
it is.
So the last time I was there, I was taking
videos and pictures of mushrooms for a little TikTok.
I wanted to do it.
And I felt like, okay, I think I'm like, I feel like invited over to this little stump.
Oh, also another story.
High honor.
I was like, I'm going on a walk.
I need to find cute mushrooms.
I was like, obviously, I'm asking the universe to give me cute mushrooms and they fucking
delivered.
So anyway, I walk up to the stump and I'm looking at it.
I'm like, it's so freaking beautiful.
And then I go around the back of it and there's little tiny mushrooms just like, like going
up the stump.
It's, oh my god.
I got a little video of it.
You saw it in the video.
I don't know if you remember the little tiny mushrooms.
But they were so cute.
I was like, this has, this is a fairy house.
Like there's no other explanation.
I can't with how cute this is.
And I think we figured out where your mushroom take talk needs to go.
I know.
Yeah.
So if you want to see the adorable mushrooms and you do, I probably feel so cute.
I was like, can we post this today?
Are mushrooms are they on brand or are they trending right now?
They're always trending.
They're so cute.
I also met a lady there who had like a camera and she was taking pictures of stuff and
she saw me over by the stump being weird.
And I was like, she was kind of looking at me and I was like, there's cute mushrooms over
here.
So she came by and she took little pictures of the mushrooms.
And then later we bumped into each other again and she asked, she wanted to take a picture
of me for me with my phone.
And I was like, girl, I look, I'm on a walk.
I don't look right.
Do you want to see?
You go.
Yeah.
I don't think I sent it to you because I was like really embarrassed.
I was on my period.
I'm all bloated.
I look terrible.
This is a person on a walk.
Not ready to be photographed.
I'm like, oh god, stop taking a picture.
You're like, yeah.
But she was really sweet.
She wanted to take my picture of me.
So I kept them because.
Oh, no, look at her.
Remember the day you do literally.
It's like something magical happens to me every time I go on a walk there.
It's crazy.
Well, should we do the tear it?
No, let's do the tarot.
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Well, of course.
Are we doing for me or Karen first?
Let's do Karen first.
Okay.
I'm feeling Karen first.
Oh, damn.
Okay.
I also recently learned that the big tarot cards are not meant for shuffling.
They're meant for doing the fluffy thing like I tried to do sometimes.
That's so funny, because I did a tarot reading for my mom the other night, and she instinctively
wanted to do that.
Do what?
The fluffy thing?
This thing?
Yeah, weird.
Were they big cards or normal sized?
No, they were the big cards.
I took the modern witch deck over.
Nice.
Oh, that's so cute.
She was like seriously about to hyperventilate.
When I do tarot with your mom, I know.
We'll play in a day.
Should we have a mom tarot night?
Yeah.
How cute would that be?
Let's do it.
Do you think our moms would get along?
Yeah, because they're both adorable.
I feel like my mom just gets along with anyone like me.
I feel like you need to draw it.
I draw it.
Karen.
Oh my god, that's so weird.
Okay.
I'm going to let you vana.
Okay.
Ooh.
It's a cut.
Okay, this is one of my firsts.
In the reverse.
I was getting for a lot of times.
I did not say that sentence, right?
Nope.
I was getting for a lot of times.
That was fun.
You're as many words.
Oh.
This is a beautiful, what is the side?
Hydrangea.
I pulled that out of my butt.
Huh?
Okay.
I just want to say the hydrangea is a flower that has overwhelmingly positive vibes for
me.
Oh no.
So I think that's good.
Yeah, I think that's good.
That is good since we're trying to send her positive vibes.
All right.
Keywords are new love beginning a creative activity and joy.
Ace of cups, right?
Ace of cups.
I don't know why I just feel like that really throws me off.
The image really did something to my brain.
The image on here or on here?
That one.
Okay.
On the PNW deck.
A single large chalice appears on the Ace of Cups.
Sometimes water flows out of it, fountain like, or the cup sits in water.
In the writer weight Smith deck, a hand emerging from a cloud offers the cup as a gift to you.
This represents a gift of love, either of a personal or divine nature.
Interesting because I was like sending her.
Yeah.
Like love and positivity.
Like spiritual.
Yeah.
This Ace reminds us of the Holy Grail, the most famous chalice of all, which some people
believe now lies in the chalice well in Glastonbury, England.
Glastonbury.
That's like the craftiest you've ever said before.
Blind.
Glastonbury.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Oh, man.
I don't know why that image.
Well, I know why.
I know why.
But it's interesting that it like doesn't have any water on it.
And this is like a super like watery card.
It is, but it's a blue hydrangea on a blue background.
That is true.
There's one extra excerpt, but I'm going to read the interpretation first because it's
in the reverse.
The reverse Ace can indicate a delay in starting a relationship.
It can also mean a romance that seemed promising doesn't develop or turn out as you'd hoped.
This may not be the right time to start something new.
Maybe it's not romantic.
Maybe it's like a gnome or elf type relationship.
I was feeling like that.
That one wants a relationship with you, but you don't want a relationship with it.
Yeah.
In a reading about money, the reverse Ace suggests you may have to wait a while to profit
from a new venture or it can mean you won't make as much as you'd expected.
If the reading is about your work, you may encounter delays.
Did you hear something?
No.
Okay.
My chair moved weird.
I felt like it was breaking it.
Oh, okay.
It's like moving weird.
Oh, okay.
I sit in the chair all the time.
Okay.
Oh.
If the reading is about your work, you may encounter delays in landing your dream job.
For creative people, this Ace can represent a dry spell when you feel stifled or uninspired.
In a reading about love, you may run into obstacles, limitations or disappointments.
I feel like it's just saying the obstacle was the clear obstacle.
Yeah.
Like there was a little thing flippin' around that you didn't want around.
Flippin'.
It did take a while for it to actually go away.
So yeah, there's that.
Okay.
I'm going to read the extra excerpt and we'll see if Karen thinks this applies in a way.
I don't know.
It doesn't make sense to us, but it makes sense to you guys.
Yeah, definitely.
A wicked blessing.
Sharing a beverage in a chalice is a popular practice in Wicken rituals.
Sometimes the chalice is offered with the blessing, "May you never thirst."
Yeah.
Unlike Cassie in this moment.
I'm, that's why I was like on Thursday.
Because the chalice is passed from one person to another, it may feature a long stem that
makes it easier to handle.
That's interesting because the hydrangea has a very long stem.
Oh.
Because it's basically, it's a bush essentially.
It's flowers.
Yeah.
Tresting.
Are we in a drug cart for you?
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, I just feel like this one was a lot about emotional energy.
It was one of these keywords.
I don't know if it's on there.
But I'm just like, yeah, I wasn't sending you positive vibes for this thing to go away.
You're using your emotional energy to try to send this thing away.
Yeah, I think that's kind of what it was all about.
Anyway, Karen, let us know.
What was my story about?
Oh, yeah.
The kids' story.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh.
Okay.
Five of swords.
And her fingers.
I just, yeah, I think that's the one.
It literally flew out.
Like, can we rewind the tape so much?
I don't think we need to.
I'm just deeply uncomfortable for personal reasons.
The owl eating the mouse.
Something.
It's a rodent to some sort.
A little critter.
It's a squirrel.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was going to say it looks like a squirrel, but it's so tiny, but owls are bigger than what
most of us visualize, I think.
Okay.
Five of swords.
Our keywords are change, adjustment, loss, destruction, conflict, indecision, and sadness.
The number five signifies change, and this card shows a time of adjustment after a conflict
of some kind.
Sometimes the fight stems from ideological or spiritual differences.
The writer, wait, Smith, Aquarian and some other decks show a soldier on the battlefield
at the end of a fight.
The card asks, what have you won or lost?
You don't have to answer now.
I don't know.
Reverse the five suggests pretty much the same thing as it does upright.
When the card appears reversed in a reading, however, you may feel a great sense of remorse,
regret, or unhappiness.
Sometimes it shows you making repairs or reparations after a conflict, trying to set things right
and learning from your suffering.
In a reading about money, the reversed five can indicate losses after a fight, perhaps
a legal matter or squabble over an inheritance.
In the end, no one really wins and you may experience regret.
In decision or unwillingness to make necessary changes could be costly too.
If the reading is about your job, struggles with bosses or coworkers may cause hard feelings
or impede your progress.
A conflict may damage your chances for advancement, perhaps causing you to change jobs with
or under unfavorable circumstances.
In a reading about love.
In a relationship about love.
Yeah, they're not all based on love.
In a reading about love, this card can indicate mourning the loss of a relationship or regretting
a decision made in the heat of an argument.
Perhaps you feel betrayed.
In some cases, however, it can suggest trying to repair the damage and make constructive
changes, perhaps with the help of therapy.
Okay, she has no strong feelings on the topic, ladies and gents.
Taro, this is not about what happened in my story.
I think that the Taro may have been using your reading to reinforce a different message.
Yeah, it likes to do that.
We're going to talk about it offline.
Go to therapy, bitch.
That's literally the message.
Oh, I think there is literally another message.
She'll have to tell it to me because I don't know.
Nope, I know.
We're going to talk about it offline.
Are you mad at me?
Are we in conflict?
No.
Who am I in conflict with?
Myself?
Probably.
Go to therapy, bitch.
Oh, man.
Yeah, I had a meltdown the other day.
It's fine.
Everything's okay.
Fine.
But man, I was in conflict with myself that day.
Yeah.
There was a lot going through my mind that day.
I can have so much for that.
Everything in runaway.
It listen to happens to the best of us.
That's exclusively, I would argue.
I think so too.
If you're doing something, you're probably going to get frustrated at some point.
At least you're doing something, right?
Yeah.
And it turns out that even if what you think you do is awesome, there are people that think
that you are not awesome.
Yes.
So there are people with opinions and opinions are what, Caitlin?
They're like assholes.
Yeah.
You're not the first person to tell me that this week.
Anywho.
All right.
Well, that was really something.
You're going to have to do the clean wrap on this because I am a little bit still reeling
and we're going to get into it off like I cannot believe this.
I cannot believe this.
I don't know.
The clean wrap is I goodbye.
There's a lot going on.
I don't know.
There's a lot of swords coming around a lot.
God, there's so much.
So much has happened.
I really, really, really, really need to, I need to get this out of my brain before we forget
that because I think this is a very strong message about something for us.
So we got to go.
I'm not ready to spill the peens.
Spill the peens.
I don't know.
Are we going to go?
Yeah, we're going to go have a creepy ass day.
See you next Tuesday.
Probably.
I don't know.
We're always back.
We say that like it's uncertain, but we're fine.
Everything's good.
Ish.
Thank you, Karen.
Send us all your stories all the time.
We want them all.
All your Mexico stories.
I'm so excited.
All of the stories from everywhere.
Mandalay Bay to Mexico.
That's like where is that?
Is that Vegas?
Is that a hotel?
Yeah.
Sometimes I lose track.
So also to be fair, I've been diagnosed with the equivalent of goldfish brain.
Just medically.
Medical term.
So goldfish brain. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com