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What's up everybody?
It's Friday.
We're happy you're here.
Really happy you're here.
Thank you for listening all these years.
Yes.
Listen to our best dogs, our old school episodes.
They're pretty damn funny.
Yeah.
We went pretty far back a bunch of the most recent ones.
Well, the "Objected and Plain Site" is from 2019,
but that's six years ago.
Yeah.
And then a bunch of them are from seven years ago.
No.
Eight years ago.
You have the one where I talked to the dad
about the Christmas?
Yes, I think that one is this Thursday,
'cause I moved that one back a week
so that I could put,
'cause I had found the "Objected and Plain Site."
Well, Randy May has helped us find it.
Thank you, Randy.
Yeah.
I want to play that episode for Natalia.
Oh my God, it's really funny.
'Cause I told them the story many times,
but I think they'll get a kick out of it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, especially now.
Right.
She's still friends with that girl.
She is?
Yeah, the girl who's dad hates me.
Yeah.
They talk.
Oh my God.
Yeah, they grew up together.
Went to school together.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
All the way through high school.
It's amazing when our kids, you know,
I mean, my kids have had such a different experience
than my childhood, you know,
I moved so many times as a kid.
And my kids have never moved.
They were born and raised in their house
in their neighborhood.
Your kids have pretty much, like,
since second grade.
Yeah, but they are in LA.
So even friends that they knew from earlier than that,
they could still be in touch with you.
Yes.
But it is amazing for them to have friends that they've had,
well, since they didn't zander not as much as Elby,
because with Elby, I became friends with those parents.
Right.
And I'm still friends with those parents.
So yeah, it's nice.
Yeah, they have friends that they grew up with
and they're still friends with to this day.
They keep in touch.
It was little Buddhist birthday.
The KM East birthday, a couple days ago.
Oh.
Natalia, you know, called and wished her happy birthday.
Yeah.
She moved away, but she's great.
So cute.
Oh, you know what I meant?
You know, on Tuesday's episode,
and maybe people have figured this out by now,
but I was promoting the drunkish episode.
And I promoted that Meredith was on Wednesday,
but you know who's on the Tuesday episode?
Lisa Lampanelli.
Oh my gosh, really?
Yeah.
I love her.
Oh.
I know.
She was, remember how much fun we had with her?
All we did.
Yeah.
So she went to rehab for food addiction.
Oh, really?
So we talked about that.
Yeah, she's not sober, but I don't think she drinks.
Yeah.
But she for food and she is, she's just, she's just funny.
And she's so warm.
She is very warm.
I love that about her.
Yes.
She was always so nice to me.
Yeah, even though she was the queen of mean.
Yes.
She was like ruthless rooster of the year.
A lot of them are like that Jeff Ross is the sweetest guy, so sweet.
And he's the roast master.
Yeah.
And he can't take it though.
I mean, he, if you, like they've played pranks on him and he like almost wants to cry.
You know, there was that dancing with the stars.
I was saying, they tell you, I've told you that one.
I sort of remember it remind me.
I'll just, it's a funny story.
So they, he was on dancing with the stars.
And what happens is is whoever gets kicked off that day will end up on Jimmy Kimmel live.
So Kimmel show knows early on who's going to get kicked off, but the, but like Adam knew
he was going to get kicked off that time.
They told him.
But Jeff Ross, so Sal and Jeff Ross prank each other and play jokes on each other all
the time.
So Sal was working at Kimmel.
He knew that Jeff was going to be kicked off, but he told Jeff you're safe.
You're going to be fine.
So that night when he got up there and he was in the bottom two or whatever, you can see
him like whispering to his dancer going, it's, it's, I know that we're okay.
I know we're okay.
And they kicked them off.
Oh, that is a mean prank.
That's definitely beyond prank.
That's just cruel.
I know.
He didn't talk to Sal for like a year.
And then Tom Cruise showed up at Jimmy's house for football one year and like brought them
together and tab them like makeup because they didn't, he didn't speak to Sal for like
a year.
Yeah.
And Tom Cruise knew they were having a fight.
And Jimmy was like, okay, when you come, I'm going to tell you what happened.
He filled them in.
He's like, I want you to be like the, you know, the mediator and all the guys are like
surrounded.
And he's like, so he went and talked to both of them in front of everybody.
And then they made up.
Yeah.
That's stupid story.
That's so funny.
You know, you just reminded me of even though it's too late for anybody to watch it, but my
friend, Bonnie McFarlane is on the tonight show tonight.
Oh, she is.
But this is today's Monday.
So you guys missed it.
But you could go, yeah, you can go on YouTube, go on YouTube and check out Bonnie McFarlane.
Yeah, she was just on the tonight show, Jimmy Fallon.
Oh, I love Jimmy Fallon.
Yeah.
He's really talented.
That's great.
Yeah.
I like to watch it.
Good for her.
Yeah.
Well, I have, we have so much to get to in this episode.
Okay.
Like, I feel like on the one hand, we might be done talking about Amy Bradley, but then
on the other hand, I came across this article, I like, I like to hear this shit.
Okay.
So I pretty much have decided that she went overboard.
She's not sex trafficked.
I maintain that.
Yeah.
And then I found this a little confirmation bias.
I found this article by, it's not Jeremy Renner.
I think is not that is not an actor.
Yes.
Well, it's named Renner.
Okay.
Well, he's a like a journalist.
Yeah.
He's a like a journalist.
I only printed out, I didn't print out like the, the head whatever.
Okay.
I think this is from Daily Mail.
Okay.
Here we go.
In 30 years after 23 year old Amy Bradley vanished from a Caribbean cruise, a small but overlooked
detail may hold the key to her disappearance and expert claims.
Amy vanished in the early morning hours of March 21st, 1998.
Okay.
We know.
Oh, author James Renner, who has spent years researching her unexplained disappearance
believes there may be an overlooked explanation.
Mm-hm.
This is good.
The true crime addict author even when as far as suggesting the three part Netflix series
released on July 16th omitted important details about the missing woman quote, in the
facts of the case, there's a small detail that doesn't seem to mean anything, but it
might mean everything.
Don't.
They make a big point of saying that the balcony door was a jar in the morning, but they
also suggest that Amy then left the room without telling anybody.
Renner, who has interviewed cruise staff and studied internal briefings, shared after
the FBI investigation.
Oh, he's stuck.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Pointed out the safety feature most cruise passengers may overlook.
If you've ever been on a cruise ship, you know that there are warning plaques in your room
that say do not open the cabin door when the balcony doors are open.
He explained because the hallway is pressurized.
So if you open the cabin door, it creates a wind tunnel and it often causes the cabin door
to slam shut hard.
Uh-huh.
Interesting.
You cannot quietly leave a cabin room with the balcony door open.
It would have woken everybody up.
Instead, Renner suggests the answer lies outside on the balcony itself.
While searching her seaside room, investigators discovered Amy's palm prints on the balcony
railing and her footprints on the glass door.
Oh.
On the glass door.
It appears she was sitting on the balcony with her feet against the glass.
Renner suggested adding it's possible she kicked off and when she did, the door opened
a little bit.
He believes what happened may have been a tragic example of Lapeu du Vide, the French phrase
for the call of the void.
What the fuck?
She had a really tough night or really rough night.
She'd been drinking and she had a very big decision to make when she got home.
Does she live her life openly as a gay woman or does she live a lie to maintain her close
relationship with her family?
Renner said sitting alone on the balcony, Renner theorizes Amy may have experienced a moment
of emotional overwhelm and acted on impulse.
That voice inside you sometimes comes up and says what if?
I think she's sitting on that balcony thinking what if and by pushing off, she causes action.
Once overboard, Renner notes survival is rare.
There's only about a 20% chance you're going to survive in the open sea long enough to
be rescued.
He said, Renner's theory stands in contrast to the widely circulated belief that Amy
was abducted and sex trafficked.
The unproven theory gained traction in the years following her disappearance and has
even drawn attention from aspiring lawyer and mega celebrity Kim Kardashian.
Renner, however, dismisses the trafficking theory as improbable.
There is no verified account of a Caucasian woman being abducted and trafficked in the
Caribbean, he said.
A white woman is going to stand out in Grenada.
It's not worth the risk for the people that do this.
They have plenty of women from the Dominican Republic or Colombia who can go there and
make more money than their family could in a year.
Renner's forthcoming book, A Cruise to Know Where, Explores the Dynamic Case.
For me, I've narrowed down what happened to Amy Bradley.
I don't believe she ever came off that balcony, he said.
I think it's highly likely she is responsible for whatever took place there.
And then that's it.
So her footprints were on the sliding glass door and her hand prints were on the
opposite on the balcony.
And when she pushed off the door, slid open, is that what he's saying?
It makes sense.
And also, you know, the table was pushed up against the railing.
So either I agree with him.
I think either she stood on the table, took her shirt off, so she didn't puke on it.
Yeah.
And then leaned over the railing, standing on a table and was drunk and fell over for
this theory.
Either way, I just don't buy any of the leaving somehow getting off the ship,
right, being smuggled off the ship.
I mean, that is way too much work.
And it does make sense that, you know, a Caucasian woman is a risk.
And big risk.
Who would go through all that?
Yeah.
And even what's his name, to catch a predator, Chris, Chris Hanson.
Yes, was on Daily Dose of Donna.
We're like Chris Harrison.
Chris Hardwick, all the Chris's.
He was on her show and he, he, they brought that story up and he said that, that, that the
trafficking doesn't work that way either.
Like, no, she probably, well, he would know.
Right.
Yeah.
He's doing a bunch of documentaries about all this stuff too.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He's like on True Blue Network.
You can go watch it.
They've, he's continuing catching predators and he's doing a documentary on, um, Roblox
and how they can lure kids.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Very, very interesting.
And then he's doing another one, sex extortion, sex extortion, which is, we've talked about this
before where across the world somewhere, they're, they're like targeting teenage boys pretending
to be catfishing them, pretending to be beautiful teenage girls and like, start talking with
them and chatting them up and like, you show me, I'll, I'll show you mine.
I'll show you show, and then they send a picture of themselves and then they start to get
extorted.
Like, we're going to send this picture to your parents, to all your friends and these kids
have committed suicide.
There's been a lot of kids in our country.
Yeah.
And, and Michigan, like around in our country, like a, a handful of them have committed suicide
because they don't think there's any way out.
They don't want to tell their parents, you know?
So he's doing a documentary about that.
Yes, he wouldn't know and he, he agrees that she fell over.
I need to see that documentary immediately.
Right.
A row blocks one.
I don't know when it's out.
I think he's working on it.
It's going to come out soon.
Roblox.
Roblox, road to ruin.
There you go.
Just trying to help get ahold of them.
Reach out to him.
We reach out on social media.
I, I, I need your documentary.
You're well.
You need a subtitle.
I got you.
There you go.
Yeah.
He said the row blocks thing is crazy.
They, they go into these, it's the chat rooms.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember reading about that back when my kids were on the row blocks and then I
was like, do people ever reach out to you and try to like talk to you on row blocks?
And they're like, no, never.
But they don't do it in such a way that they're in like row blocks chat rooms or whatever.
Right.
I think that you can just set it up where you're just talking to your friends in your
contacts.
I don't know.
I think that's what that they did.
The underused you.
Yeah.
Or you could be public.
And I think that's the one that gets you and, you know, can be dangerous.
Right.
I just don't think my kids were ever really looking for friends like that.
Yeah.
But there was something that Zander did where, but they couldn't reach out to him specifically
but where they chat and he was getting even like a little bit bullied.
Like some of these kids are just weird.
Yes.
Yeah.
It is a weird and it's for that age too where they're young boys and they want to fuck with
you, you know, yes.
Like, hey, let's get online and fuck with other kids and bully them and stuff like that.
But then it's also assess pool for weirdos.
The pretend to be young kids.
Right.
But there are ways to do it safely.
Like I said, when I talk to my kids, they're like, no, nobody, the way there is was set
up, nobody can like talk to them.
Yeah.
That's good.
Because I remember there were some alarmists that were like, your kids should never
play roadblocks.
They're getting sex trafficked, you know?
Right.
And I was like, well, slow down.
Yeah.
Like, right.
You know, yeah, not that I'm on top of everything perfectly.
Right.
I, I watched the Delphi murder.
They on Hulu.
Okay.
It's like four or three or four episodes.
And you know, we've, I've seen it the story before and I know that they caught somebody.
But this Hulu documentary kind of focuses on is this the really, is this really the
guy?
The thing a lot of people do not think that was the guy.
No.
And this, if it's not, it's really sad because this guy was married.
He had grown children.
He was just a hard working guy, you know, kind of looked apart.
The reason why they, they thought it was him because he went to the police very beginning
when he found out that those girls were on that bridge.
He called the police and said, I was there that morning.
And I don't know.
I don't remember if he saw the girls or not.
But he said, I was there.
And if you need any help, like, I'm here to help or something like that.
And then at first they were like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then years went by and then they were like, well, let's go back to this guy.
And there was a bullet that was, didn't fire.
It was like as if he racked the gun and a bullet would come out like to scare them.
So there was a bullet found near their body.
And apparently that bullet matched one of the guns they found.
They rated his house, matched that it could, could be.
His defense attorney were on this documentary and they were like, really?
That could be anything or whatever.
It's like, that's the only thing they had.
They had no DNA.
They had nothing else.
He just kind of looked like it.
And he was just this guy that was married and if he's innocent, it's horrible.
Because you see him throughout the years in jail and he lost all this weight.
And then when he was in jail, his wife was sticking by him.
She was hysterical.
She was upset.
High school, sweethearts, they were on the, she was on the phone while he was in prison.
And he said, I did it.
I did it.
She's like, no, you did it.
No, you did it.
He was, no, I killed Libby and Abby.
And she's like, no, you didn't.
And then the defense attorney said he was in solitary confinement for months.
And like, you're not, there's only supposed to be in there for a short amount of time.
They kept him in solitary confinement.
They didn't give him his medication that he needed.
He was going a little crazy.
And that's, you know, they, and then they had a professional say that can happen when you're
in jail.
They, they talked to you so much and make you think that you committed the murder that
it can happen and it can give you a false confession.
So he went to trial and then he was convicted and now he's in jail for the rest of his life.
Oh, my God.
That sounds really sad.
Yeah.
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Okay.
So I was watching this documentary about, you remember that story at a Boston where the guy
had a pregnant wife?
I was watching that.
You watched that too?
I just was watching that.
Yes.
It was out a while ago, but maybe they just started recommending it again.
Well, because I started watching the yogurt murders and it was only one episode.
And now I'm like, okay, I want to watch another and I've forgotten.
You were talking, I thought about you because I know you've brought it up before way a long
time ago.
A long time ago.
Success with that case.
Yes.
So then I started watching it and oh my gosh, it's a great documentary and really interesting.
And so speaking of people giving false confessions, the guy who killed his wife was like, it was
a black guy.
Right.
So they went down into this neighborhood projects and they just started like rounding up
like black guys for nothing.
Right.
And then they got one guy and they scared him so bad and he was pretty young and they just
told him he's not going home and they got him to rat out somebody else.
And then that guy had committed a crime.
So even eventually, so the guy who actually had his wife killed himself.
Yes.
Well, the brother ended up telling on him.
Right.
That was incredible documentary.
And then that guy jumped off a bridge.
Yeah, he jumped off the bridge before they could arrest him.
Yeah.
So then rather than let the guy out of jail, they're like, well, you did something else anyway.
Right.
So they fucking tried him for something else, which is just like, it's so fucked up.
You know what else is fucked up?
I watched the Katrina documentary on Hulu because it's like the 20 year anniversary of Katrina
this month.
And I, there's like five episodes.
I think I got through three.
But the thing that really upset me is the news when it happened.
They were like, violence happening.
There's rape at the super dome.
A little girl was getting raped.
There's people getting shot at the super dome.
There's people looting blah, blah, blah.
First of all, the people looting are people that were stuck with no electricity, no food,
no help on the way.
There was nobody coming to help them.
They were out on their own.
They haven't eaten in days.
They're going to go get food.
So they make it look like it was chaos.
They interviewed people in the super dome.
There was one guy that had a video camera throughout the whole thing.
And he went to the super dome to get shelter.
And he had his video care.
And there was no rape.
There was no fucking violence.
It was just people suffering.
It was hot as hell in there.
It was just you, so when you watch the documentary now.
And then the FEMA guy was like, I got to go to dinner first before I can come and answer
your email.
It was just so corrupt.
And then this one guy was great.
He was like the head of the Louisiana, US, Navy, whatever.
He comes in and he starts fucking getting shit together.
And he's like, and he's like, this guy's taken the guy ahead and FEMA is going to take a break.
He's like, I haven't slept in days.
And he was great.
It's a great documentary.
It's really interesting.
It's on HBO.
It's on Hulu.
It's called Katrina.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm sure people have seen it by now.
Yeah, it's really good.
Okay.
I watched, like more stuff I watched, but then I also have a podcast.
Should I talk about the podcast first?
Yeah.
Okay.
I think you'll find this interesting.
So I found this podcast and it was, I think, okay, hold on.
I have to look at my podcast app to tell you exactly what it's called.
And it's called bad, bad thing.
So I read on Reddit, like somebody recommended this podcast.
So I listened to this.
So there's two different seasons of this.
I think there's two seasons and they're both good.
So the first season I listened to is about this woman named Jenner.
Jenner.
J-E-N-N-A-I-R.
Did you listen to this podcast?
I think I know this story.
I hear Gerardo.
Okay.
It's this woman.
She's married to this guy named Mark.
Yeah.
I know the story.
Okay.
It's so crazy.
I remember I think I heard this documentary.
Well, so it's not a show though.
It's a podcast.
Right.
I think I listened to this podcast a while ago.
So and then there was like a 2020 on it.
Oh, okay.
I'm sure there was.
Yeah.
All these things have like a 2020.
But like this thing had a lot of episodes because there's a lot of tape.
So this, okay.
So he's married to this woman named Jennifer.
He starts having an affair with somebody he works with.
Yeah.
He's married to Jenner.
He starts having an affair with this other woman.
I forgot.
I'm like forgetting her name.
Yeah.
It's color like Kristen.
Okay.
So Kristen is like this woman he works with.
No, listen, is this guy like a great guy?
No.
You know, he's cheating on his wife.
He cheated on his wife before one time before and he's, and he starts like cheating on Jenner.
But he, but Jenner starts to suspect it.
But Jenner is batshit crazy.
Right.
Definitely borderline personality.
She starts suspecting something she asks him about it.
He gets gas lady and he's like, no, what are you talking about?
That's crazy.
No.
But she starts putting recording devices in his clothes, tracking device on his car.
And she eventually finds like gets her recording of him like, like, with his girlfriend,
and they're like, like, making little moaning noises.
So she's like, the fuck?
She gets really mad.
Okay.
And is it she video taping herself?
Yes.
So she starts making all these days.
Yeah, this video diary, which is so crazy.
Yeah.
And she's just like, I'm just nothing without Mark and like, how can he do this to me?
And I feel like shit about myself and like, okay, well, it's not really a spoiler because
you pretty much find this out.
I think episode one.
But she ends up killing his girlfriend and then killing herself.
Right.
To make him miserable.
Yes.
Now, the crazy thing about this podcast is that a lot of people are like, yeah, fuck him,
he's a narcissist.
But if you really listen to the podcast, you're like, I know.
I know.
And a lot of us would, if you, if you, if you were cheating on somebody, a lot of us,
and you were married to somebody who's absolutely out of their fucking mind, who you know is going
to.
And I listened to all the bonus episodes.
They have him talking to a therapist.
Yes.
And they're basically like, he acknowledges like, she's not a person that you can tell stuff
to that's going to really hurt her feelings.
Yes.
And it's pretty glen-close in fatal attraction.
Yes.
And he tried, I think like, tried to make her happy.
Like before he had the affair, he was really good to her and she was just kind of crazy.
And I did feel bad for him after it was all said and done because now he's living with
this, this death sentence that his wife killed his girlfriend.
You know, she broke into her house or whatever.
Yeah.
But like, and they're both gone.
Yes.
He wasn't that hateable of a guy.
No.
And what, she was more of a narcissist than him.
It like insane.
Right.
But then, okay.
So go listen to that one.
That's like season one.
That's a good one.
But then so season one ends, right?
And I'm like, oh, that was a pretty good podcast that I hadn't known about before.
And it's really, they do a deep dive.
They have so much audio.
Yeah.
And the only thing that made me mad was that they're like, you know, he was such a narcissist.
It's like, okay.
Right.
I get it.
He should have told her like, it's over.
But he also just felt really bad and wasn't sure he wanted it to be over.
And he was kind of a dick.
He wanted to like keep both things going.
Right.
And the girlfriend started to be a little bit crazy too, even though she was better.
But he was like, maybe I need a break from both of you.
Like he didn't know what he wanted.
So you get it.
Okay.
The next podcast though in this on this bad, bad thing is about this woman named Jill
Blackstone.
So have you ever heard of her?
Okay.
So this woman was a producer, like a reality producer.
This is called the blackstone sisters.
Okay.
So this woman, Jill Blackstone is a reality producer.
She did a bunch of like, she was a producer on the Dr. Drew show.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
She produced on a bunch of shows that like, I have to get John to ask his friend.
John has friends that he's pretty sure have worked with her.
Uh-huh.
Like VHW and reality TV and stuff.
Not VHW and shows more talk shows.
Okay.
But Dr. Drew like, Mori Povitch, way back in the day, I think.
And then like, I don't know, but like some fairly big shows.
Anyway, she's got a sister living with her who's disabled named Wendy.
Well, this story is so freaking crazy.
So this woman, at first, the whole, the story is basically that her sister is like blind
and pretty much, pretty much almost blind.
She's got some genetic condition where her eyesight started going when she was younger.
And then it got worse and worse and worse.
She's almost blind.
Um, and then she was kind of going deaf.
And she was unable to like get around very well.
And she lives with her sister with Jill.
Okay.
And then she died.
She basically, it's okay.
And this part is really, really sad.
So I don't want to be triggering to anybody.
But the girl who died also had a bunch of dogs.
Wendy.
When dogs died too.
Wendy.
The dogs died too from carbon monoxide poisoning.
Okay.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, so then you have all these interviews.
So Jill also, um, seemed to be maybe poisoned by carbon monoxide.
She was found outside on her front lawn.
This is in Studio City.
So you know how we love stuff that takes place like locally.
It's like right around the block.
This is what literally walk there.
Yes.
Walk to where this woman was living.
Wow.
I'm not kidding.
I think it was on like landale street.
Wow.
Yes.
Right by here.
Yeah.
Um, so anyway, but as you listen to it, you're going to be like, you know, I'm going to
as you listen to it, you're going to just be like, what?
Okay.
So then they start interviewing her after this happens and they're like, and first of all,
she's fine.
Like she's not carbon monoxide poisoned, surviving one, right?
And she's like, I don't remember what happened, but then they start talking to her and they're
like, yeah, so, so what do you do?
And she's like, this is the an hour after like a half hour.
Like she calls 911 and then or someone else calls 911.
Yeah.
She called like her friend and then the friend came over and then the friend was like, uh,
Wendy's dead and then called 911.
So they bring her into the station and she's like, they're like, so where do you work?
And she's like, Oh, I'm a TV producer.
And they're like, Oh, like, what have you worked on and stuff?
And she's joking around.
She's just like, Oh, I go way back like Mori Povitch or whatever and, you know, Montel
will and they're like, Oh, really?
And they're kind of stroking her ego a little bit.
She's like, yeah, I didn't even go to college.
Like I just like started and you're like, are you freaking kidding me?
That's bizarre.
So then and there's a lot of audio of her too.
And she's crazy.
So then it's just kind of funny because while I'm listening to this, I have this friend,
I won't say her name because I'm going to redo a text that I had with her.
But let's call her Tina.
Okay.
So I have this friend named Tina who, oh, because this woman worked on divorce court.
Uh-huh.
So I have a friend who also worked on that show, Tina.
Okay.
So I texted Tina and I was like, okay, wait, I have to find, I have to find the text
record.
I was on divorce court when I was young.
Really?
That's an episode.
I was like playing a kid.
Yeah.
I intended to be so a teenager.
I'm pretending to be so a teenager.
I honestly don't remember.
I was like a teenager and I think I just had to like get up on the stand and say a couple
of lines.
Yeah, because my parents were getting a divorce and they were arguing.
Oh, okay.
So it was your parents.
Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah.
Those things are all scripted.
I know.
They totally.
Yeah.
So I also worked on like Judge Joe Brown, which she would just tell me crazy stories about.
Apparently he was like, not very smart.
Oh, really?
But this one, this woman is really funny.
So I just wrote, hey, I wrote, hey, I'm listening to this crazy older podcast about the blackstone
sisters and I'm thinking you must have crossed paths.
And she wrote, hi, luckily I've never had the misfortune of working for Jill.
And then she names another producer friend of hers, Adam.
Adam has horror stories.
And then she does, does everyone else who ever worked for her?
She was a real cunt.
Oh, my God.
That she goes, let's just put it this way.
When the news came out that she killed her sister, no one was surprised.
Wow.
And I was like, oh my God, it seems so obvious.
And then she used to have a podcast where she talked about like reality TV.
And I said, did you, I said, this is so insane.
I said, did you talk about her basically when you were doing your podcast?
And she goes, I didn't talk about her because she hadn't been sentenced yet.
Also that was at a time where you really couldn't talk about other people in the industry,
even if they were murderers, because it would make it look like you would turn on your boss.
And all these unscripted executive producers were horrid, as you know, so they didn't want
to hire anybody who would talk about the horrible treatment they got while working for
them.
Anyway, then she tried to tell me that this woman was out of jail.
And I was like, there's no way she just got sentenced in 2022.
So that is a spoiler alert.
She is in jail for this.
Okay.
But she didn't get very, she only got like eight years.
Really?
Yeah.
And like I said, Tina thought she was out of jail, but I went, then I was, I'm at the gym.
And I'm like Googling like crazy.
And then I was like, no, she is not out of jail.
She's still in jail.
She is.
Okay.
Now, but another freaking crazy part, I want to listen to that.
I'm going to totally, so it's called bad, bad thing.
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So okay.
Last week you told me that you started watching hunting wives.
Yes.
And I was like, well, let me have something to talk to Lynette about.
So I've been, I'm like on episode five, there's only eight.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think I've watched all of five.
Okay.
Then I heard, like, I don't know if it was really a spoiler, but basically it says it ends
on a cliffhanger and then I was annoyed.
Is it going to end on a cliffhanger?
No, you're going to find out what happened.
Okay.
It ends where, not a cliffhanger.
It'll be, it'll be solved.
You'll know what happened.
But it does end where they're like, like, alluding to they can be season two.
Okay.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I mean, it was really campy and stupid.
Yeah, right.
And yeah, but it was like, you know, I was watching it at night when I was falling asleep,
so it took me a while to get through all of them.
But I mean, it was just, some of it was just like way over the top kind of stuff, but,
but the storyline was kind of interesting because there are a lot of twists and turns.
Like, you're like, okay, I think this guy did.
Then I think this, but it gets really good and it is satisfying the way it ends.
I'll tell you that.
I was, I thought it was very interesting because, oh, well, first of all, I should say that
I was doing other, I was watching it.
I was doing laundry.
I'm doing other things and John walks in the room and he's like, are you watching porn?
I, that's the other thing.
There was a lot of that.
And I was like, all right.
Like, how many times do we have to watch this two chicks make it out?
Nothing wrong with it, but like, it was a lot.
It was really over the top.
Two chicks making out and eating each other.
A lot of eating, eating out.
Yes.
What are eating out?
Yeah, not just the two chicks, but like the older lady with the young guy.
Yes.
And like, John's like, this is like lady porn.
I know.
I guess it's like porn with a story.
Right.
That's why I watched it late at night because sometimes the kids will walk in my room and
I want sunny walking my room going, what the fuck are you watching?
I know.
So like, once everybody's in bed, that way I can just fall asleep to it.
Yeah.
So funny because I have that too with Sadie.
So the room is like, you have to be very, very intentional to come into our bedroom because
it's off the kitchen now.
But sometimes Sadie will just, I don't keep the door like closed.
Yeah, me either.
Sadie will just walk in and for no reason just be like, hey, mom.
Yes.
I don't need two women eating each other out.
Right.
Sunny will walk in my room like, where's Phil?
Cause Phil's always with me and he wants to pet Phil and say hi to Phil.
Like, at night.
So I'm like, okay, I can't have this on.
But while sunny walking in or Natalia for that matter, it was way over the top.
Yeah.
So I had to make sure everybody was done for the night.
My door was closed.
I did find it interesting that be like good character kind of, right?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, I wanted to know what you thought about this.
So there's a character.
I don't really think this is too much of a spoiler, but there's the kind of innocent blonde
Yes.
Girl who's out of her element fish out of water.
She's around all these Southern women.
Yes.
She moved from Boston.
Yeah.
But doesn't she get corrupted like pretty fast and easily pretty quick?
So she's like, oh, I don't drink.
I'm sober, you know, because she'd been in like a drunk driving accident.
Right.
Well, like at the first opportunity, the first time someone's like, yeah, but you should
have a shot.
She's like, all right.
All right.
I know.
I got that too.
I would.
I think it didn't take long to get her corrupted.
I know.
Right.
Pretty fast.
And then she's doing a lot of stuff that I was like, okay, like I get that you've like relapsed
and now you're drinking.
So your morals are not really, you maybe operating beneath your moral compass, but like pretty
bad, pretty fast.
Like if I was married to her, I'd be, I wouldn't be like, oh, no, yes, I'd be like, what
the fuck?
Yes.
Absolutely.
I don't know if I'm a flashback of her in college yet.
No.
Okay.
So there's a flashback that kind of explains why she is how she is kind of thing.
Oh, yeah.
What is it?
Why is she that way?
I don't want to spoil it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Coming up, if you're on five, it ramps up and gets, it starts to move fast and it is satisfying.
I will tell you this, there's already been a death.
So that's how far I am.
It's already happened and now they're trying to solve, okay.
They're trying to solve a murder right now.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
So I mean, they are introducing a lot of characters.
Like you really have to be like, you can't be playing threes on your phone.
Oh, you got pay attention.
Who's who?
Yeah.
I have been watching so much stuff.
Okay.
So John and I started watching, oh my god, what's the, what's the show?
going to kill me, leave striver is the narrator of it. It's about the NFL season. They
do it every year. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Uh, I was sunny was telling me about it. Uh, training
camp training guests hard knocks hard knocks. Yeah, Oh, my God. Thank you. Yeah. You know
what, we really don't need Kalen. I know. I got sunny in my brain. It's all he talks about,
so we used to watch hard knocks like years ago and love it back in the day when they had
a lot more money in it and they had a lot more camera crews and they could follow a lot
more stories. Right. And now it just feels like, like marketing. Yeah. Like a big long commercial
right. I haven't seen it. Sunny talks about it. So what he watches, but, um, so I've been
playing games on my phone. Watch it with john's like, do you want to watch hard knocks? And
I'm like, okay. And he's like, are you going to play on your phone? And I'm like, yeah,
pretty much. Yeah. I'm like, in my defense, you know, just, yeah. Right. I was looking
for documentaries to watch it. And I was like on Facebook, like, you know, best documentaries.
And the one that kept coming up was the keepers. And I never watched that one. And I don't
think I've watched really. It came up so, oh my God, the keepers is the best keepers.
Up there with, um, is it about the Catholic church? I think it has something to do with that.
Yeah. Okay. And I do think that I have seen it about many years ago. I wouldn't remember.
I don't know the story. I just know that there's a none or whatever on the picture. Yeah.
That's how I know. But it comes up so much in these Facebook pages that are all about documentaries.
So I'm going to watch it. Okay. Yeah. I could watch that one too. I always think like, I
got to give Lynette some, like if I'm watching something, I kept meaning to make you listen
to this podcast so you can talk about it. See if you knew this lady, right? Right. Right.
The Joel Blackstone lady. But then, you know, I forget. Yeah. Sorry. But I knew the Jenaer one.
Yes. I knew that. But I'm going to listen to the Blackstone sisters. It's so weird when, um,
like this happened with the Karen, whatever story. Oh, Karen read, there's an update about that.
What? Well, there's, there's a lot going on. So Alan Jackson, her lawyer is going to be
representing her in the civil trial because she's getting sued by the O'Keeves. But apparently,
it's he's he was interviewed on some talk show and the lawyer you know is this Greek lawyer.
He's really cute and he's on YouTube and he breaks, he's a lawyer. So he breaks down, he broke down,
Karen, read everything. Um, and he said in that it looks like they found so much corruption
from the commissioner all the way through all the cops. There's a lot of dirty stuff that happened
and there looks like they might sue the Norfolk County, whatever for, you know, for what they
for like corruption, basically. And there's like, there's emails like the commissioner
changed his email to a private email, talking about the Karen Reed case, talking about, you know,
the witnesses and blah, blah, blah. And it looks like they're going to they have a strong case
to go after them against the police department. Yeah. The box is like the,
the, yeah, the county, whatever. Yeah. The commissioner, the judge. I believe it. Yeah.
I still think she hit him, but I sorry everybody. Oh my God. But there is definitely believed there
was major corruption. Yes. And there is a YouTube video. There's this clip, this guy called
micro dots that does a lot of, I'm sure a lot of Karen Reed people know what I'm talking about. But
it's a YouTube channel and he visually breaks down shit and he just put out a 45 minute doc
about the corruption and how it goes way back before Karen Reed, how one of those Albert brothers
killed somebody drunk driving and they covered that up quickly. Oh. All the way to yes. So there's
a lot you see all how like people are like, how did everybody get involved? Like, oh, how did
there so many people would have to been blah, blah, blah, you know, but they explain how it started
deep before Karen Reed. Okay. What's this called? It's called micro dots on YouTube and it's a
fort, it's the recent video they put out 45 minutes. Okay. It's really worth watching. It's really
interesting. All right. Yeah. But should I tell you this thing this, it's not even like that
exciting and it's not something I'm watching, but it was this parenting article that I read. It's
just really quick. Yeah. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. Okay. So it's just kind of funny. Let me find it.
All right. This was in people magazine, but it's why one mom refuses to live by son's
nap schedule, by trending baby products in protest of quote, modern parenting. And I just don't like
stuff like this. And she can't mean because it's like, it's not that groundbreaking to not buy a
bunch of trendy baby stuff. Right. And then also they always pick one battle that you're like,
okay, I'll tell you. Okay. When Aubrey, Matthews, Mathesius found out she was, okay,
pop up ad hope. I hate that. Expecting her first child. She was immediately overwhelmed,
not by morning sickness or cravings, but by the intense hyper curated routines of modern
motherhood she saw in TikTok. So this is like a fight back against TikTok. Okay. The constant pressure
to be perfectly scheduled, endlessly stimulated and always on made her question whether she even wanted
to become a mother. Okay. So far, I get it. I get like, this is something that you and I fight
against. Let's be no getters. Instead of succumbing to the anxiety, the 27 year old from Glendale,
Arizona turned to the older women in her life. Us seeking wisdom from a time before she felt
parenting became a performance. Their grounded, simple advice helped her embrace what she now calls
the low maintenance mom mindset. Okay. Sounds good so far, right? Like you're like, okay, yeah,
like you don't have to overdo it. Like, you know, the thing that's that's that's that's that's that I
it's kind of glaring to me. She's 27 years old. She's on TikTok and that's giving her a lot of
pressure. That's poisoning her brain, right? Well, all these like perfect. She's not watching the
right ones. I watch mothers on TikTok that don't give a fuck. They're like us. Go join the, I don't
care. Yes. There you go. Okay, but here's where, okay, so blah, blah, blah means cutting out excessive
baby products, not over complicating simple tasks. Yes, yes, yes. I'm with you on this. Okay.
She says, due to the hormonal, whatever, I was adapting or adopting the anxious attachment style
parenting that most millennial and Gen Z moms live by. Okay, still with you. However, she learned that
like the older women's, the older moms way is better than the modern way. So I adopted their principles
and found mental, physical and spiritual freedom for myself and the baby. Okay, but here's the problem.
So she says whether, okay, she's talking about her, her new things whether it was the importance of
transitioning a baby to their own crib or being comfortable with trusted babysitters. The advice
help prevent the kind of overdependence that can overwhelm both both mom and child. Okay, so she
goes on, but then here's her big things. Her non-negotiables are clear. She like and basically she's all
about sleep training. Okay, not I'm trying to find this one that was like the most annoying.
Sleep training is a must in her home. Unnecessarily unnecessary baby products and then she says basically
that she won't give in to like if her kids want a nap at a certain time, like no, like she's
going to live her life and her kids can like sleep in the stroller or whatever while she's out at
coffee with her friends. And so I'm reading this and I'm like, well, that's all that is easy when you
have an easy baby. Exactly. Or one that can look. Right. Good luck. Thank you. So then, oh yeah,
one of the best examples of her approach is refusing to let her baby's nap schedule dictate
every part of her day because because you know, she wasn't going to miss out on life because a
nap was scheduled in 30 minutes, keeping her stuck at home. Instead, she created a flexible routine.
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Teaching my child to be adaptable gave everyone freedom. Well, first of all,
ever met like an autistic kid. I mean, I love these people that are like, why is everybody
working so hard when like, it's so easy, you guys joke son, you guys, because it's so much simpler.
Okay. So the comments though are very funny. Oh my gosh. But here's what she says due to her
amazing parenting. Her son is adaptable, confident, and enjoys being with others. He sleeps a solid
eight to 10 hours each night. And more importantly, both she and her child live free from the constant
anxiety and fear that comes with modern parenting. I can still love my kid and have boundaries.
She says, just because I don't co-sleep with my child doesn't mean I don't love my child.
Anyway, she's just still sorry for her child really padding herself on the back. And she's
really encouraging moms to basically do what she does. Well, it sounds, yeah, it sounds great.
But it's not reality. Your kid is going to have to sleep when they want, when they want to sleep,
what are you going to do? Smack them, keep them up because you want to go on a lunch date.
What the, I mean, I mean, I remember learning this really the hard way, which was my whole book,
"City Cups" or not for Shardinay was about like, fuck all the advice. Right. Like you have to do what
works for you. So you could have all the advice in the world about breastfeeding if it's not working
for you, it's not working for you. Exactly. Right. Don't allow yourself to feel like you're
poisoning your child with formula, you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, this is kind of to me the
opposite of that. But then so the advice is somebody wrote, who cares? Please stop using TikTok.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Get off a TikTok poisoning you. This person wrote, she's clearly
never dealt with collic for months with a baby that's nursing every 90 minutes. All those added
comforts aren't just for the baby. Coast sleeping lasts for different amounts of time of time based on
culture. She's pretty narrow-minded. And then, yes, she is. And then this one writes something kind of
more sad, but hold on, there was wonderful. And then these people are like, this person goes, dang,
you shifted nap time by 30 minutes, how unscheduled of you. And sleep training too. You're an unscheduling
pro. I thought that was really funny. That is funny. Yeah. Anyway, most people were just like,
what are you talking about? Like, do what works for you? Yeah. Don't lecture other people.
And most people magazine doing interviewing is not case. Social media. Yeah. You know how it is. Yeah.
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