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Yeah, although it's supposed to rain.
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Yeah, for a place where everyone sees us like, "Oh wonderful place to live,
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Yeah, anyway. Let's get into an unprecedented movie.
Yes. Now, I just want to ask you, what is your history, not necessarily with Gambit,
what was the X-Men? Let's just say that.
Outside of Deadpool, that's like my gateway in, but unless homework was given,
it was never part of me. The theme song came on, and I heard it for the first time in my life.
That theme song is the anthem of a 90s child. I don't know if I am allowed to bring this up,
but you worked on a potential X-Men property.
I did? Yes. You did.
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I'm in the credits. Yes, I worked on this marble.
Yes. And she is a mutant.
She is a mutant, because I remember at the very end.
Kamala, there's something different in your genes, like a mutation.
Oh, yeah, and I asked you what that was.
Yeah. And I freaked out, because I knew exactly what that was, and that told me that she's a mutant.
She is an X-Men. They're crossing over, finally.
Oh, I forgot about that moment.
Yeah, I was, I'm very proud of working on that. It's a really good show.
Yeah. I guess Ms. Marvel's my gateway, not Deadpool.
For me, I watched the X-Men animated series.
The 92 series.
The 90s cartoons that appealed to Little Boys was like always the superhero ones.
They all appealed, like, okay, because we just did Sonic.
They're very little boy oriented. I guess we got Disney Princesses.
Yes, you did.
On the DC side, at the very top was the Batman animated series. And on the Marvel side,
the top cartoon to watch was the X-Men animated series.
Yeah. There was Spider-Man, but it was not as popular as what X-Men was.
There was a Spider-Man cartoon.
It was a Spider-Man animated series too.
As a little girl in the 90s, all the time.
Mobius makes an appearance in it with Blade.
More Ben time?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah.
My girl Scarlet Witch shows up in the X-Men cartoon.
Yeah.
Because Scarlet Witch is the daughter of...
Magneto!
For me, X-Men was one of the many cartoons that I watched,
because, like I said, stuff targeted to Little Boys.
I was in that perfect demographic, the intro song for it.
There's, like, a list of TV shows where you never skip the credits.
Yeah.
And X-Men is on the list of, like, that. It is X-Men.
It is Dexter. It is the Simpsons.
Like, you just never, ever skip the credits.
Boy shows.
Boy shows, a lot of Boy shows.
Yeah, I, you know, watched the episode that you gave me for homework
and then watched more just because I was curious about Gambit.
I guess we haven't said Gambit.
I mentioned Gambit a little bit.
Okay.
But that theme song's fun.
Yes.
Like, even as an adult, I was super into watching it.
[MUSIC]
I'm very excited for this episode.
Yeah.
I have a lot of questions just.
Sure.
Let's dive into this.
Now, do you know when Marvel first started?
Like, the comic books.
Oh, no.
Okay, so it was founded.
I know it was the '60s.
With Stanley.
With Stanley, yes.
Around the '60s is when Marvel first started.
I guess I just want to ask, like,
how old of a character do you think Gambit is?
Oh, boy.
He's got to be one of the early ones, right?
There's some things that are aging well with him.
So, uh, I'm going to go with older,
but you're going to tell me like--
I'm going to tell you immediately what it is.
'89.
'89?
No, that's not my guess.
I'm going to get, was I right?
I would say based off things that are aging well,
it's the '60s.
But your face, when I said '89,
leads me to believe it's '88.
You went in the wrong direction.
Story at my life.
Mm-hmm.
Because Gambit wouldn't appear in the comics until 1990.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, he is a very young character.
I'm shocked how young he is.
I'm on Comfort.
[LAUGHS]
Blade is older than him.
Ugh.
Blade is my childhood.
Blade Trinity is the first R-rated movie I ever snuck into.
Ooh.
Ryan Reynolds, Jessica Beale.
Yep.
And you can listen to our Blade episode.
Or no, it's--
There's a Blade episode?
No, we talk about Black Panther and Blade
makes an appearance in there.
We'll start going into kind of the history of this character.
We're not going to go into the history of X-Men itself.
I think I would save that for like a much bigger episode.
Like if we do the Catherine Bigelow X-Men movie.
[LAUGHS]
Deeps.
[LAUGHS]
From what I remember,
the X-Men came out of Stanley just kind of
peen sick of making origin stories for all of these characters.
He's like, you know what?
They're born with it.
They're born with powers.
Maybe it's Maybelline.
Yeah.
So a lot of these characters don't really
have too much of an origin story.
They're just like plopped in.
They're just like, you know what?
They just live on Earth.
They have weird abilities.
And I'm just going to carry on.
So because Deadpool is newer than Gambit in the comics.
So Deadpool is younger, but only by like a few months.
No way.
Yeah.
OK.
That makes more sense as to why include Gambit in Deadpool
and Wolverine.
Yeah.
So let's get into the history of this,
but before we get into the history of that,
let's get into the history of these advertisements.
[APPLAUSE]
Welcome back to the Darkcast.
So--
Oh wow.
Real Big Dog hast.
Let's get into the history of Gambit.
Or, you know, is Alter Ego name?
Remi Le Bo.
So he made his first appearance in August, 1990,
in the Uncanny X-Men number 266.
He was created by writer Chris Claremont and artist, Jim Lee,
who is actually currently the president of DC Comics.
Wait, what?
They switched back in fourth-hawalt three-hawalt three.
Yeah.
Whenever anyone's like DC's better than Marvel Marvel's
to better than DC, it's like, guys--
You're flipping a coin.
The artist, the writers, they just went back and forth
to each other.
That's why we have characters who have the exact same powers
in both the universes.
Captain Marvel, Gene Gray.
Yeah.
Now, Chris Claremont is best known for collaborating
on multiple X-Men storylines, including the Dark Phoenix
saga in Days of Future Past.
He's responsible for co-creating many X-Men characters,
such as Rogue, Phoenix, Shadowcat, Mystique, Emma Frost,
Jubilee, Shadow King, Saber Tooth, Legionned,
Mr. Sinister, and the Marauders.
Just name a small fraction of the many characters
that he's made throughout his career.
That's a lot.
That's a lot of heavy hitters.
Yes.
I mean, there was a whole list that I went through.
And I was just like just anything
that was mostly recognizable.
Yeah.
But yeah, there's a lot that he had created.
Back to the comic.
Even though this is the first time that we see Gambit,
his appearance is not that significant.
It was kind of used as a way to get the story from point A
to point B. So in the storyline, Storm, Aurora Monroe.
Whoa, that's Storm's name?
Yeah.
All right.
I've never seen any of the 90s early odds that's been--
So Storm, she was taken captive by Nanny and Orphanmaker.
They were a strange deal that kidnap mutants in D.A.
Each of them.
So Storm was then turned into a teenager.
She manages to escape and then gets captured by the Shadow
King.
Who has been trying to capture her to absorb her powers.
She manages to escape his clutches and then runs into Gambit,
who is there on a separate mission
to steal some paintings from Shadow King.
Because he's a thief.
He spots Storm and sees the Shadow King's
hounds trying to capture her.
For the first time, we see Gambit use his powers.
His eyes grow green.
And an electric energy shoots out of them.
And from his sleeve, a small spike appears.
It absorbs the energy from Gambit's eyes.
And he throws a spike at a wall behind one of the hounds,
and it explodes.
That's a cool power.
The main thing that I took away is the playing cards,
and like the magic.
Matt feels more like weapon-y.
Yeah.
That came down to more of a logistics.
I couldn't find exactly where he first did it.
But it was more of a logistics of just--
if he's able to put kinetic energy into an object
and make that explode, what is something
that he could keep on him?
That's like lightweight that he can store a lot of.
And like playing cards was the perfect weapon for him
to have just to be like, into toss it.
And it just looks cool that has ranged between playing cards
and tarot cards.
But yeah, he throws a spike at the wall.
He explodes.
Then he grabs Storm's unconscious body,
and then carries her to safety.
The two of them team up and defeat the shadow king
and Gambit helps restore Storm to her normal self.
In Uncanny X-Men number 273, which was released in December of 1990,
we see Gambit has joined the X-Men team
when in the issue you actually see him wearing
an official X-Men uniform.
But--
Again, he's not supposed to be a focal character.
He's just--
He's a background actor.
There's no ceremony.
Professor X is not nighting him into this.
And ironically, the name of the issue is too many mutants.
That's boring.
It was hard to keep track of him, and just Gambit just kind of
slipped in and no one noticed.
Initially, there is a confrontation between Gambit and Wolverine
when the two of them are training in the danger room,
which is overlooked by Jubilee.
Wolverine is defeated by Gambit.
No.
Yeah, Gambit is one of the few people
that can take down Wolverine.
With his playing cards?
Yes.
I'm not going to let the playing cards go.
I actually really enjoy it.
And I was looking for a big lore as to why.
That was the thing.
It just came down to logistics.
It wasn't too much of a lore.
I was honestly trying to find when the first times
for a lot of these things were.
And I knew cards were that--
but I was shocked to find that the very first weapon he used
was a spike.
Yeah.
But it all was so.
Yeah.
The first time we see Gambit's romantic relationship
with Rogue is an X-Men Vellying II issue number 24.
That was released in July of 1993.
We see Rogue in Gambit on a date in a Manhattan restaurant.
This takes place after the events that
led to the character Magic's death.
The character's name is Magic.
They confront each other.
Gambit is asking about Rogue's real name
and confesses that he's had feelings for Rogue
since the start when he first laid out
of them and her.
And Rogue asks about his marriage to Beladonna,
or his wife Beladonna and why he doesn't talk about her.
That's one heck of a first date.
It kind of sucks right there.
Can you tell me your real name?
Well, I'd like to know about your marriage.
Ew.
Let's just--
Glaze right past that.
So you fell asleep doing my mother's hair.
Big deal, right?
How do you clear this thing?
But eventually, the date goes down
to like Rogue is just afraid of hurting Gambit just
because of her powers.
Verly?
The date went well.
It went well, but they just couldn't
kiss.
And he's just like, I guess we're just not a couple who kisses.
This twilight?
Yes.
[APPLAUSE]
So we're going to break away from the comics,
and we're going to talk about Gambit in the X-Men animated series.
X-Men, the animated series, it first premiered in October 31,
1992.
Now, if you recall from a Robocop episode,
this wasn't the first time the X-Men animated series was
attempted.
In 1989, a pilot episode known as X-Men Pride of the X-Men
was created in the hopes of it getting picked up,
but it never came to fruition.
This was part of the Robocop episode
because there was a Robocop animated series,
and they used the budget for the 13th episode
of that series to create the pilot episode Pride of the X-Men.
I love a backdoor pilot.
Also, since Gambit wasn't created till a year later,
obviously, he was not part of the cast.
After failing to get picked up, Fox Entertainment went back
to the drawing board and reworked the show.
They test Saban Entertainment, the same company
behind Power Rangers to produce the show.
Saban hired the studio Grey's Entertainment
to animate the episodes.
Mark Edward Edons and Eric Lewald, they
were hired to write and run the show.
Edons, his brief history, he is behind the Adventures of Johnny
Quest, the real Ghost Wester's Chip and Dale rescue
Rangers, Tails.
[LAUGHTER]
B-Dale.
Sorry, how do--
Tails bin, Beetlejuice, Teenage Mutant
and Jeterdals, and GI Joe Extreme.
I forgot about the Beetlejuice animated series.
It's pretty good.
Eric Lewald, he is behind also the new Adventures of Johnny
Quest, Papa and Son, Chip and Dale.
Yeah.
I won't do it twice.
The new Adventures of Winnie the Pooh,
Tails bin, Dark Wing Duck, Beetlejuice and Garc
Oils.
Oh, yeah, again.
That's a boy-heavy list of shows.
Yes, right, my wee-hoff.
I just like Lydia Deeds.
And as a little boy, we did too.
When Edons and Lewald conceived of the show,
they drew a lot of inspiration from the Uncanny X-Men
comic series.
Even Gambit's introduction runs somewhat parallel
in the pilot.
In it, a Sentinel is hunting known Jubilee, a teenager
who recently discovered her mutant powers.
She's blowin' off steam at an arcade
when a giant robot smashes into the building.
We see Gambit flirting with a clerk while he's
by any deck of cards.
You must like to play cards.
I like solitaire, OK?
Let's out got someone to play with.
When Gambit spots a Sentinel, he springs into action,
throwing his explosive cards at the robot.
He assists Storm and Jean Grey in taking down the giant
and Jubilee is taking to the X-manchin to heal.
It's assumed that Gambit is just part of the team.
Also, Gambit is given a thick, caesion accent,
something decided by the showrunners.
Yeah, there's even--
Oh, what?
Yeah, I even found the voice notes for what they were looking for.
And it said, heavy caesion, primitive, French, sexy, mysterious.
[LAUGHS]
Oh, my God, that wasn't in the comic book at all.
I mean, he was from New Orleans.
That was in the comics, but outside of that, they were just like,
I don't know.
Fair enough, Karyon.
And the primary voice actor of the rage-in-cation
was Canadian-born Chris Porter.
Oh, my God.
How did you do that?
With style, Patee.
With style.
They made the character mysterious because he
was literally mysterious to the showrunners.
We don't know who you are, so like, just wing in.
Yeah.
Eric Lewald explains in his books, previously on X-Men,
we set up the character of Gambit to be mysterious.
In part, because in 1992, we, and even Marvel,
knew so little about him back to the pilot episode.
In the next scene, we see Jubilee tries
to escape from the X-Mansion, and she's
caught up in a battle between Wolverine and Gambit.
After helping Gambit defeat Wolverine,
it's revealed that they were just sparring.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Just for fun.
Just for kicks.
They just didn't take it to the danger room, essentially.
Right.
Typical Tuesday.
Yeah.
Like in the comics, he's just part of the team
and always mysterious.
Until the episode, externally yours, in that premiered December
4, 1993.
In this episode, Gambit gets a call informing him
that his brother, Bobby, has disappeared,
and he's responsible for bringing the tithe to the external.
Gambit travels back alone to his home, New Orleans.
We flash back to when Gambit was in the Thieves Guild.
Every 10 years, the Thieves Guild and their rivals,
the Assassin's Guild, offer a tithe to the external.
If you do that, the Guild is given an increase in their powers.
And if you fail, the Guild's Chosen One
is in prison in oblivion.
Meridant.
This time, the Chosen One is Bobby.
Gambit reunites with the Thieves Guild,
and he's informed that the Assassins have his brother.
We also get some exposition that this ritual
and rivalry has been going on for over 300 years.
Very, very long.
To free Bobby and the tithe, the Assassins
will exchange them for Gambit.
Meanwhile, Rogue, Jean, and Wolverine,
track down Gambit.
Gambit finds Bobby in the Assassin's quarters
and tells the guard, "Remy Le Ball, here to see my brother."
And for the first time in X-Men history,
we hear the alter-ego name for Gambit.
What?
That's the first time.
It's the very first time, yeah.
Remi and Robert.
Bobby.
Robert Bobby.
We get more exposition that Gambit
wants nothing to do with the Thieves and the Assassins.
Plot twist, this was all a ruse set up by Gambit's ex, Beladonna.
Originally, Bela and Remi had planned to marry each other,
but because she was an assassin, the two would have been killed.
The real Romeo and Juliet situation?
Yeah.
Remi left and became an X-Men,
and Bela resents him for not taking her with him.
She tells him that she still wears the ring
and to complete the transaction, Gambit must wear
the ring that she has for him.
His brother is set free, and the ring is revealed
to be a trap that causes excruciating pain
and removal of his superpowers.
Wolverine, Jean, and Rogue find the Thieves headquarters
just before Bobby arrives and informs them
that they made the switch.
It's also revealed that Beladonna is the leader of the Assassins,
and she's the chosen one.
Beladonna gives her villains monologue,
stating that she never gave Bobby the real Tithe,
and when the external sees it, she'll destroy
all of the Thieves guild.
At the time of ceremony, Gambit yells out
that the Tithe is fake and they all fight.
They all stop when the external appears.
The guilds offer their tides,
and the external sees that the Thieves have not offered
what was promised.
Before the external banishes the Thieves,
Jean telepathically shows the external the truth.
The external is about to punish Beladonna by killing her,
but Gambit steps in with a different punishment.
Take her powers, but not her life.
It is done.
Beladonna pleads for Remi to stay,
and Remi returns the ring and says,
"This is not my home, but I am not thief,"
or it says, "I am an X-Men, and I'm never coming back."
Bum bum bum bum.
Mm-hmm.
That is the closest we got to--
A backstory.
An early origin story of where he came from.
Poor Beladonna.
Now while the animated series was airing,
a Gambit solo series was in the works at Marvel Comics.
This is nuts.
I mean, he's a background X-Men, not to be mean.
Yeah, but there's so many characters too,
to be like, oh, he's kind of rising to the top.
People like him, we should really invest more in him.
That's bananas to me, considering the robes that Jean Greig--
there's plenty of more forward X-Men.
And everyone's like, "No, Gambit."
People like a bad boy.
Yeah.
The first issue of the Gambit solo series
was published in October, 1993, just two months
before "Extrarily Yours" had aired, which
means the showrunners had to be working with the writer Howard
Mackie and artist Lee Weeks to help establish
who the character was.
In the comics, a few things were established
so that Gambit's origin stories wasn't completely made up
or like fabricated like on the spot.
So writers Jim Lee and Howard Mackie
established the guilds in Beladonna
in a crossover comic between Ghost Rider and the X-Men.
Interesting.
The external and the tides were not mentioned.
The mythology of the guilds were better covered
in the solo Gambit series.
In the series, we learn that the thieves and assassins guild
is spread throughout the world.
And they must give a tithe to the external name
Kondra every seven years, not 10 years.
In exchange, she gives them the elixir of life,
aka the Infinity Formula.
In the comic, it's established that Gambit has
an older brother Henry.
What?
Not Bobby.
We're gonna run into some sonic doctors here.
Yep.
Henry infiltrates the X-Mansion to get in contact with Gambit.
In the show, Gambit just gets a phone call.
Oh my god.
As for Gambit's marriage to Bella.
Oh, yes.
They did marry as teenagers in hopes that they would end the feud
between the assassins and thieves guild.
Okay, that's straight up Romeo, Juliet.
Bella's brother Julian cannot accept their union
or the peace treaty, so he duels Gambit.
Julian is killed in Gambit flees from New Orleans.
There is also a moment in the comic
where Bella Donna skin touches Rogue
and Rogue sees all of Bella's memories with Gambit.
Is Rogue then his new love interest?
They were the ones on the date.
Yes, they were the ones on the date.
Got it.
Rogue in Gambit as a couple is a very famous couple
in the Marvel comics.
Rogue has the white strip.
And a pack one.
Okay.
What is Rogue's powers?
She is able to absorb powers by touching a mutant skin.
But at the same time, she could potentially kill them.
Oh, that's why it's a no-titchy situation.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so if you remember when she kisses her boyfriend
and I think this--
Yeah, it was the first X-Men movie.
Like, he all of a sudden--
He's using it.
Oh, yeah, he goes into a coma.
Oh!
If she touches a human, she basically just
could kill them.
That's a rough-- I want that life story.
Yeah, in the first movie, there's
a great demonstration of her powers
when she sees that Wolverine is having a nightmare.
He's going through PTSD, how he got created,
and then all of a sudden, he wakes up
and he shunks his claws out and stabs Rogue.
But in the process of doing so, she's also touching Wolverine
and Wolverine-- his powers-- is to heal quickly.
And--
Oh, that's dope!
Yeah, and then she heals quickly.
Right.
But then Wolverine is like suffering
and doesn't really know why.
Yeah, it's a vicious circle, you're right.
Yeah.
[APPLAUSE]
[SPLASHING]
We are going to fast-forward into the X-Men movies.
Yes.
Something you might have noticed when you've
watched any X-Men movie is a significant lack of gambit.
Yeah.
From what I've found, it seems that they were hoping
to set up the character for something much bigger,
like his solo film.
We'll get there.
Don't worry.
In the original X-Men, when they came out in 2000,
in the script, gambit was meant to appear in the danger room.
But the scene in the character was written out
and cut back for the budget.
Wow.
Yeah.
I mean, this is very early on, and they're just like,
this movie's already ballooning up as is.
Yeah, I mean, there's so many of them,
you really got to cut it down.
Being lost in the cutting room floor as an X-Men makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
In X2, which came out in 2003, gambit
was set to make a cameo in the scene where Professor X is
forced to kill all the mutants on the planet.
And we're going to get a shot of gambit as one of those mutants.
The scene was shot with Hugh Jackman's stunt double,
James Bam Bam Bamford.
Bam Bam!
Who has cast in the last minute to fill the role.
The shot was removed in the final cut of the film.
So they did film it.
So he's the first live action gambit?
Yes, technically.
Yes.
There is a quick blink-or-ear-miss-it-e-streg
where we see on Stryker's computer screen
a list of mutin names.
And one of them being Labo Remy.
Remy Labo?
In X-Men, the last stand, this one came out in 2006.
Director Brian Singer fully intended
to have gambit as part of the main cast in hopes
that the role would be portrayed by Kiana Reeves.
[LAUGHTER]
I've seen many strange things already.
Since Singer left the project to direct Superman Returns,
plans to bring gambit fizzled out since Singer
was the only one who--
Oh, poor gambit.
Yeah, he was really the only one pushing for that character.
There was an early draft that had gambit as a student
at the Xavier School.
And he would compete with Iceman over his affections
for rogue.
Oh, the love triangle.
And another draft in gambit was one
of the mutant prisoners, Magneto-free, from the convoy.
Another actor considered for the role,
your boy, Josh Holloway.
Oh!
Sawyer.
Oh, he'd be a really good gambit.
Right?
Oh, no.
Oh, I know.
Oh, my vote has changed.
I know.
You're really going to leave me here with a mad scientist
and Mr. I speak to dead people?
Yeah, as much as I love Kiana Reeves,
I truly believe that Josh Holloway
would have been the better choice.
I tried.
I actually screened tested with you.
Oh.
And the funny thing was--
It hurts myself.
It was crazy because, like I said, you're it.
You're the guy.
You're Dan and I shoot my hand, eh?
Everybody at the--
Someone said--
Looking through some studio head, that day called them and said,
I want someone really young.
I think like that kid is ice cream musical.
Yeah, I'm just like--
I was like, oh, so there I went.
I feel robbed.
I know.
But there were so many scheduling conflicts
that he had when he was filming lost.
Lost?
Yeah.
And he was just unavailable.
Because he was stuck on an island?
Yeah.
Then there was Channing Tatum.
He was cast for the role.
Now, unfortunately, the scene was cut out
of the final script before shooting.
So he never got a chance from the beginning.
I don't know that I want to step into Josh Holloway's shoes.
They justified this because those involved
thought that Gamba should have a much bigger role
if he was going to be introduced into the film
very similar to Beast.
In 2009, we finally got a gambit on the silver screen
with X-Men Origins Wolverine.
Are you Remy LeBoe?
Do I owe you money?
No.
Then Remy LeBoe, I--
Oh my god.
OK, so this was in my homework list.
And it was an optional.
And if you know me, I always do the optional.
And I got up to grab a snack or something.
Because you were like, you watch clips.
And I was like, I'm just going to take a sick day
and watch something.
Got up to grab a snack or something
and came back and no movie was still going.
And the movie ended and I went, where the hell is gambit?
Oh, you missed the part where they went to the Berberin River.
I missed the four minutes of screen time
where they go to a casino?
Yep.
I rewinded until I found them.
In New Orleans, there is a casino on the French Square
but is not on Berberin Street like they present in the movie.
And I know the reason why they show Berberin Street,
it's kind of like the reason why whenever
you show an establishing shot of Los Angeles.
And you're just like, there's the Hollywood sign.
We're going to shoot this in West Covina.
It was the same thing here where it's like,
we got a show that we're in New Orleans.
The most famous place in New Orleans is Berberin Street.
Right.
That's like a teensy bit of fan service to be like a true fan
who knows that he's from New Orleans so doing that quick establishment
you're like, oh, get it, I'm there.
Yes.
For anyone around the world who has never been
like, oh, perfect.
I got in my mind.
I didn't know.
This is New Orleans.
Yeah.
He's like generic Southern.
Yeah.
He's very subtle.
He just has like a twang to his voice
but it's not very dominant.
It's not the cation accent that we--
No.
Like you said, twang is the perfect.
It's not a standard Southern accent in that way, shape or form.
Large blinds of honey, small blinds 50.
And this seemed to be around the time where whatever it was in Hollywood
producers when it came to seeing what a superhero on a movie screen
needs to look like needs to be drastically different from what he looks like
in the comic books for whatever reason they're like--
It's John Carter, right?
That's who.
Yes.
It is John Carter.
But I blame the very first X-Men when Wolverine sits down in the seat
knees in the costume for the first time.
He's like, you can actually go outside.
These things.
What would you prefer?
Yellow spandex?
Right, because that's why it was such a big thing that we're coming back
to comic book accurate things.
Yeah.
Am I going to war or a circus?
What'd you expect, black leather?
So that's why you get the portrayal of Deadpool in like the--
Oh, my God.
One of the most insulting ways.
I can see why fans now look at X-Men Origins, Wolverine,
and they're like, what are you doing?
Also, they're doing to these characters.
Sabre Tooth and they're like brothers?
Yeah.
But that's not lore.
I googled that.
The lore of that is muddled.
But we never see them in anything else together again.
No.
Even in the first X-Men movies, they don't treat each other.
Like, they know each other.
They're just like, oh, we're enemies.
We're fighting.
That's it.
That movie gave him a quote unquote origin story.
But it felt like it conflicted everything else ever.
Like the Deadpool--
And then he has this mouth is gone.
Yeah, because he was just annoying.
And they're like, we don't want him to talk anymore.
But then he can have apparating powers?
What--
It's such a terrible portrayal, even Gambit kind of got
shafted as well.
And then--
They removed all of the fun quirks of his personality.
I don't think that actor did a bad job playing what they wanted.
Yeah, I don't play them at all.
No, but like, I was really confused at what Gambit
was supposed to be.
Yeah.
And for that to be his introduction--
and even Deadpool, I vaguely knew about Deadpool
because I was unread it.
And Deadpool just became like very popular on Reddit.
And then there were rumors of like him being in a movie.
And like everyone showing what he looked like in the comics
and how he acts and all that stuff.
And it was like, oh, this is going to be fun.
And then it's still the movie.
And it's like, wow, they really--
they done him dirty.
Oh, Deadpool always has like a hint of annoyance with him.
He's not funny.
He's not like, quick-weighted.
It's more of like, he's just annoying.
He just talks.
Yeah.
And that was not it.
And then he had incredible sword skills.
Yes.
I guess.
I mean--
He could split a bullet into an A-mit so that it took out people.
I really love that shot, but yes, it is a cool shot.
But I was like, what is happening?
Yeah.
So the plan was to have Channing Tatum in the film
as the rage occasion.
But unfortunately, he had scheduling conflicts
when he was cast in GI Joe, the Rise of Cobra.
Ah, yes.
And he was just unavailable.
Blockbuster of the year.
But instead, they cast Taylor Kish.
That's the word we were talking about.
John Carter.
Yes, John Carter.
Kish was cast, and he was actually
signed on to a three-picture deal--
Oh, no.
--with his next film being a solo gambit movie.
Now, he wasn't the only character to do so.
They also made the same deal with a little known actor named
Ryan Reynolds and his character, Deadpool.
Oh.
They stuck them in Wolverine as their pseudo origin.
Yeah, their pseudo origin to kind of introduce--
Like the cameo, yeah.
Yeah, to be like, this is the character.
And did you watch the post-credit scene of X-Men Origins?
No, I misgiv it.
So I had to rewind and find him.
Yeah, in the post-credit scene, in the rubble,
you see an arm come out, and it reaches for something,
and it reaches for a head, and that head is--
Deadpool?
Well, it's Deadpool.
It's Experiment 11 or something like that.
It shows Ryan Reynolds, and his mouth
has been split open from the fall, and he goes, shh.
Oh.
Yeah, so it's like, Deadpool is coming back.
That's fun.
Yeah.
So unfortunately, a few things were working against Kish.
First off, X-Men Origins.
It's not great.
Fans truly hated the film and the portrayals of gambit.
And Deadpool.
And so many other characters in that movie.
The other was Kish's other film.
He starred in John Carter and Battleship,
proving to Fox Entertainment that he was not the new leading man
that they thought he would be.
There's like a little bit of a cursor on gambit.
Yeah.
I feel bad for everyone who was sort of cast
or tried to be involved.
Yeah.
But do you know who was a rising new lead man in Hollywood?
Channing Tatum.
Step up to in the streets.
Yes.
Now I hate to do this, but I really think
it's important to tell the story of Channing Tatum.
Well, in order of when the X-Men fans would have received it,
in 2008 Marvel Comics set out to release a new series
of comics known as X-Men Origins.
Although it seems planned that the Marvel Comics would come out
with a series of X-Men origin comics and Fox's
to premiere X-Men Origins of Wolverine,
I could not actually find a connection
that they were all coordinating this.
Huh.
Writer David Benioff worked on the origin script
for three years before he was hired in October 2004.
Three years.
Yeah.
The script drew inspiration from Barry Windsor Smith Weapon X story.
There is also the Chris Claremont and Frank Miller's
1982 Limited Solo Wolverine series and the 2001
Limited Series origin.
The closest connection I could find was a standalone comic
series Wolverine Weapon X written by Jason Aaron
to take advantage of the Wolverine attention.
The comic does not fall into Marvel's max continuity
nor the film franchise, but it does draw a lot of inspiration
from them.
The X-Men Origins series that was first published in May 2008
starting with the character Colossus.
They would run through other characters as well,
such as Jean Grey, Beast, Sabre Tooth,
and Wolverine before they got to the origins of Gambit,
published in June 2009.
Here for the first time, we get a detailed origin story
of Gambit.
In the comic, we see a eight-year-old Remy,
a thief with mutant eyes.
One day he notices a girl around his age eating some ice cream
just before a group of agents attempt to kill her.
Remy steps in and fights them off, and she steps up
and starts killing them by throwing knives.
Turns out this is Belidana Boudreau.
Oh!
What a cute origin story.
The Princess of the New Orleans Assassin's Guild.
Years later, we see Remy is about to get married to Belidana.
Remy's father tells Remy that this marriage is a--
- Shangham.
- Well, it will be a ceasefire needed
to end the feud between the thieves and Assassin's Guild.
- I like that.
- Just after they marry, Remy is attacked by Belidana's brother,
Julian.
He could not accept the union, and he assumed that Belid
was marrying into the thieves' guild.
Remy and Julian duel.
And Julian is killed when Remy throws a knife
into Julian's shoulder and explodes by accident.
- Oops.
- The truce is destroyed, and Remy is exiled.
Remy continues to travel the world,
making a living as a thief for hire.
All while his powers become stronger,
and more and more out of control.
To seek help with his powers, he goes to the mutant geneticist
known as Mr. Sinister.
Mr. Sinister agrees to perform brain surgery on Remy
to control his powers.
And in exchange, Remy was asked to lead a team
of mutant assassins known as the Marauders on a secret mission.
Turns out the Marauders were tasked with killing the Morlocks.
In an event known as the Mutant Massacre,
when realizing what's going on,
Remy wanted nothing to do with this.
He tries saving as many mutants as possible,
but he's only able to save one kid.
He continues to roam the earth,
until we're caught up to the moment
when he saves a young storm.
- Oh.
- And now we're full circle.
- So that is this true origin story,
and to think like we didn't get that till 2009.
- Yeah, 'cause he was what, in the 1991?
- 1990 is when he first came out, appeared.
- That's nuts.
- Yeah.
This brings us to the development of the solo gambit film.
In September, 2013,
while doing a White House down press event,
Channing Tatum was asked about potentially playing gambit,
any answer to what they quote,
"I would like to play gambit.
Gambit's my favorite.
I'm from New Orleans around that area.
My dad's from New Orleans,
and I would like to do a Cajun accent.
I could do it for real.
No knock on Taylor Kish,
though 'cause I actually like his gambit,
but I've always lived around Cajun people."
- Yeah, we don't be knowing that it ain't coming off
or that don't gonna come off.
- I'm so sorry, beautiful.
I want this to be gentle.
Who is your dialect coach?
The minions?
- Gambit was always like the woman loving cigarette smoking
and drinking guy.
He was the punk rock of all superheroes.
He's a thief.
He kind of rode the line.
In January, 2014,
producer behind the X-Men franchise,
Lauren Schuller-Donna revealed that she was planning
on making a solo gambit film with Tatum.
And as for the story, she said,
it doesn't have to be a great big movie.
It's a thief in New Orleans.
It's a whole different story.
Tatum's on board,
and I have to get the studio on board.
By May, it was official when Tatum signed on
to be gambit in his own solo film,
and when debut of the character in X-Men Apocalypse,
that's one that came out in 2016.
- With Po Dameron.
- My first thought when he was doing this
is that he was gonna be one of the four horsemen
of the Apocalypse.
- Gambit was?
- Do you remember the movie?
- No.
- Okay.
So in a--
- I'm calling him Po Dameron
'cause I can't even remember his real name at the moment.
- Oh.
- Oscar Isaac.
There we go.
I just had to admit defeat.
- Oscar Isaac is looking for like four different mutants
that were supposed to represent the four horsemen
of the Apocalypse.
- Who were they?
- There was Storm Magneto,
Siloc, and Angel.
And in the comics,
there was a brief moment where after Gambit was killed,
he came back as one of the four horsemen
of the Apocalypse as death.
- Oh, that actually would have been a really close target.
- Yeah.
Turns out that was not the case he was supposed to be
just in a post-credits scene.
But that was really cool.
- Yeah, if his introductory is that he's dead
and they somehow have to like bring him back.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, a good one.
I wanna watch that movie.
- I would too.
By October 2014, Josh Zuderman
is the writer behind the newest Robocop
one that came out in 2014 in Patriot State.
He was hired to write a script based on the treatment
written by Chris Claremont, the creator of Gambit.
In January 2015, Fox announced the release date,
October 7th, 2016.
In May 2015, Zuderman submitted the first draft
on what would be Gambit's origin movie.
In June 2015, Channing Tatum did a red AMA
to promote Magic Mike XXL.
But all anyone was really interested in
was the Gambit movie.
He was able to reveal without breaking any NDAs
that he would no longer appear in X-Men Apocalypse.
But they did find a director, Robert Wyatt.
He's the director of Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
- I was gonna say that name sounds familiar.
- And that filming would begin in New Orleans
in October or November of that year.
According to Collider in July 2015, Fox was pushing
the Gambit movie to be a bigger spectacle
in order to make the character as popular as possible
and proposed a $153 million budget to make the film.
And they also emphasized that $111 million
would be going directly to Louisiana.
- I thought you were gonna say directly to Channing Tatum.
- No.
- No, he's not the rock.
- Wait, that money was going to New Orleans, sorry.
- It was going to Louisiana.
Because Louisiana had a, I think they still do have a tax credit
for productions that are down there.
But yeah, that was the big emphasis of like,
there was Georgia, Louisiana, Michigan for a little while.
For Lauren Schuler-Donna, Channing Tatum, Josh Zudimer,
and Robert Wyatt, they wanted a smaller scale movie
that would focus on mobsters and thieves
and didn't want a end of the world stakes,
which not every superhero movie needs to end with like.
- No, that gets burnt out real quick.
- If it had been like a heist movie?
- Yeah, perfect.
It was rumored that Tatum nearly dropped out of the project
when he learned that Fox wanted Gambit
to be one of the anchor characters in anticipation
that Hugh Jackman was going to end his run as Wolverine.
This was also the time that Entertainment Weekly
published that epic cast photo,
which was shot by Sarah Dunn.
- Here we go.
- Showing the extended X-Men universe
with Channing Tatum wearing a Gambit t-shirt.
Have you seen this cast photo?
- It reminds me of the dark universe.
- It very much has that same vibe.
- What I'm quickly learning is that you gotta be careful
with the cast photos.
Are they all in t-shirts?
- No, actually just Gambit is the one who's in a t-shirt.
- That's actually quite fitting for the character.
- Mm-hmm.
- What's it that's big is I want to be?
- Oh, who is Miles Teller supposed to be?
- He was in the Fantastic Four.
Mr. Fantastic.
- Oh, this was when we were doing that.
Was that Fantastic Four with Fox, I guess?
- Yeah.
- This was all Fox.
- Who is Rony Marra?
- Fantastic Four.
- Oh.
- The invisible woman.
You should watch the Fantastic Four.
- I've seen it because Michael B. Jordan was also in it.
Evan Peters is making a very wonderful
Evan Peters quick silver face
and Channing Tatum in the Gambit shirt.
Everyone else is so serious.
They are in their own photo.
And I really like it.
- They're having the time of their life.
- Yeah.
Enjoy going to work.
Like that's a goal.
- It's like the two of them took a shot at Tequila
before they took this photo.
- Evan Peters is still taking it.
On August 28th, 2015, the second draft
of the Joshua Zootamers script was submitted.
And this is the script that got leaked.
And we will be going over that in part two of our episode.
- I'm so excited for this.
- Now all you need to know about the script for now,
because we're actually gonna go through
the entire story of how this almost happened
and how it did not.
- Rude.
- I know.
- But all you need to know about the script is that
this is going to be a Gambit origin story.
He is not going to join the X-Men.
This would have primarily taken place in New Orleans
in the 80s after this is after the events
of Days of Future Past and Apocalypse.
The story they were hoping to tell was a heist film,
but with mutants and his love interests
would have been Belidana.
- Yeah.
- Potentially played by Leah Sado.
You might know her from various 007 movies,
the lobster, blue is the warmest color.
She played Belle in Beauty and the Beast, not the one
you're thinking of, but the remake that was made in 2014.
- Is it the made for TV movie?
- It wasn't made for TV.
- I don't know.
- Actually she's not ringing any bells, sorry.
But I don't think I've seen any of the things
that you wasted.
- Do you watch movies?
- I do.
Apparently not X-Men related movies.
- Did you watch Doon Part Two?
- Yeah, didn't I see that with you?
- No, I saw that with other roommates.
- Anyway, in this very incestuous picture,
she's the Opsister.
- Oh, okay, so I have seen her, but not in a lot of things.
007, who's the bond?
- Daniel Craig.
- Okay.
- In September 2015, director Robert White
dropped out of the project due to scheduling conflicts,
which changes in the script and having to work around
Marty Grau.
Filming would have taken much longer
and would have overlapped into his next project.
My guess from looking at his IMDB,
it would have interfered with the Exorcist TV series
that he was set to produce and direct the pilot off.
This is also around the time
that Fantastic Four had come out and flopped.
This forced Fox to reduce the budget of the film.
This also contributed to White leaving.
This changed Gambit's potential in debuting
in X-Men Apocalypse, where he would appear
in the post-credit scene, but instead we got
the introduction of the XX Corporation,
which also takes place in the original Gambit script.
- Oh, okay.
So there's like, it's tethered.
- Yeah, they're setting it up,
but they don't want to promise too much.
- I mean, I get it, considering all things.
- By November, why it was replaced by Doug Lyman.
He's the director of Swinger's,
Edge of Tomorrow, Born Identity,
Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and Jumper.
In January 2016, it was announced
that the film would begin filming in March and in February,
Fox announced that Gambit would no longer
be released by October.
- Yeah, that's a tight turnaround.
- Yeah, it is.
In May, producer Simon Kinberg,
the producer behind every X-Men film since first class,
he explained that they were unhappy with the script.
The most important thing is getting the tone
and the voice right.
We are hoping that Gambit is like what Deadpool was,
the start of a new franchise with the X-Men universe.
We want to make sure that we get it right.
In July, Kinberg announced that the production was happy
with the newest draft,
and that filming would begin hopefully in 2017.
- Good Lord, it's so much time has passed.
Again, every time we have an episode,
we say I can't believe any movie gets made.
- Yeah, it's a miracle.
In August 2016, it was reported as a mutual split,
but Lyman had left the production to direct a DC film.
Another famous unmade film, Justice League Dark.
The film was also attached to Guillermo D'Otoro for a bit.
- Whoa.
- And it looks like Lyman was signed on after he had left.
The film would have followed the characters,
John Constantine, Swamp Thing, Dead Man, Satanah,
and the Triggan, the Demon, back to Gambit.
While production was looking for another director,
Tatum carried on and ironically made another heist movie,
Logan Lucky.
- Oh yeah.
- Did you watch that?
- I didn't get time.
- Oh, it's fun.
- I couldn't remember what the name of that movie was
until you just said it.
- Yes, definitely watch Logan Lucky.
I don't think you needed to know about that,
but it is a great movie to know like,
this is Tatum around this time making a heist movie.
You could have seen the potential of like,
what it would have been like or what the tone would have felt like,
but he reunited with the Ocean's 11th and Magic Mike director,
Steven Soderberg.
- Steven Soderberg did Magic Mike?
- Yeah, that was one of his like,
this movie's for me type movies.
- Yeah, I saw it for the first time like two years ago.
It's a fun time.
- Yeah, and also a heist movie.
He just loves heist movies.
- Yeah.
- And February 2017, Kinberg was interviewed by comicbook.com,
all about the upcoming X-Men films.
He mentioned Logan, The Deadpool sequel,
and an X-Force film.
- Well, it's inactive development.
It's a movie that we hope will be ready to go by the end of this year
and shoot next year.
We have two or three X-Men related movies this year
so we can wait at the moment.
The process has been that Tatum is as determined
about getting the character right as Ryan Reynolds
was about Deadpool and Hugh Jackman
was about this Logan movie.
We know that when we get those right,
the movie succeeds and we wanna make sure
that we get Gambit right
because we want him to be the beginning of a new franchise.
- The Gambit franchise.
- Yeah, there was a lot riding on the solo Gambit movie.
I didn't realize that much about it.
I just knew that Gambit was supposed to get a movie
and that's really about it.
It wasn't like we're turning a new stone.
- There was a plan to let Wolverine go and be
and move on with his life
and it sounds like Deadpool and Gambit were the new faces of us.
- Yeah, they were gonna be the new cornerstones.
- That's a very quick, witted, kind of dirty take on Superheroes.
- In 2017, Comic Con Tatum talked about the Gambit film
and he was grateful about the delays.
With Wolverine and Deadpool,
this really changed the tone of the X-Men franchise
and Gambit would have immediately felt dated
had it been made sooner.
By August, it was announced that they were starting
to script over.
- Oh my God!
The Lady Writer who has been attached for like almost
a decade at this point is gotta be like,
okay, draft 77.
- The Lady Writer.
- Was there a Lady Writer?
- There was a Lady Producer.
Donner, I believe is Mary Toe Writer, Donner.
- Okay, so Lady Producer.
But like the team has stayed almost the same
and like to stay with a project for this long is incredibly impressive.
- Yeah, in October, the film was given a new release date,
February 14th, 2019.
- And Gorver Bensky, he directed
one of my favorite horror films, The Ring.
- That's one of your favorite horror films,
that's a different podcast.
- Okay, what else?
- Any directed Pirates of the Caribbean.
- There it is.
It's gotta be my top like 15 favorite movies.
That's an interesting director choice for me.
- Yeah, they also announced who the costume designer
was going to be and that was gonna be Jenny Bevan.
She was the costume designer behind Sherlock Holmes,
Fury Road, Furyosa, Cruella, and ironically,
Gambit, but the movie that came out in 2012.
- There was a Gambit movie,
oh, not a superhero just the time.
- It's kind of like how the Avengers
move with Uma Thurman and Ray Fines.
It's like that.
- It's just tight.
- It just happened to be named Gambit.
- Again though, you have a director of Pirates in the Ring
which are darker toned.
That costume designer, Dark Tone.
I haven't seen Gambit as gritty or Dark Tone.
So this is an interesting stab.
- Yeah, although Pirates of the Caribbean is very humorous.
- It is, but I wouldn't call it like a comedy.
- It's an action movie with funny moments.
- Like Sloothed in.
- And then in November, Lizzie Kaplan was cast as Beladana.
- No!
- Sh*t, but that's why you were like keeping it that way.
My girl, Lizzie Kaplan!
- Yep.
- I don't wait for somebody to give us a chance.
The time we took a chance for ourselves.
- I need everything else throughout out.
- I need a Gambit story with Josh Holloway and my girl Lizzie.
- There was also another casting.
They didn't say for who, but it was Little Rell Howie.
You might know him as like the best friend and get out.
He's one that like he calls.
- Oh, I love him!
- It was a movie that I was attached to with Chan and Tatum
that we were gonna do and in whatever happened happened,
but it was in that world.
So I was like, damn, man.
It wasn't Gambit, was it?
- Yeah.
- I think they were gonna cast him as Henry, as Gambit's brother.
It cannot confirm it, but let's see only casting that makes sense.
- Okay.
- Locations counting would begin in New Orleans,
and by December, it was announced that the filming
would begin by March 2018.
- Good God.
- Yep.
In January 2018, Gorg Rinsky left the project
because of a generically sugar-coated reason
of having creative differences.
(laughing)
But this force Fox to push the release date
to June 7th, 2019.
- I actually get creative differences
is totally a sugar-coated answer.
But I agree.
The producers, the Chan and Tatum, that cast
are all very like humor-based.
And that's the thing they've been working towards.
So then you throw this darker toned horror action director at it.
I think I get it.
I understand this delay and step down.
So Fox was scrambling, and it was reported in April
that they still couldn't find a director.
Around this time, Fox had teamed up with Big Easy Studios,
the same studio behind Logan to help produce the film.
The release date again was pushed to March 13th, 2020.
- Oh, well.
- Yep.
- No need to explain this delay.
- Nope.
In October 2018, Kinberg was interviewed with Collider
about the progress of the film,
and he stated that the script had changed significantly
from its initial incarnation.
The focus fell away from being a straight heist film
and leaned into being an R-rated romantic comedy.
- That's still fun.
- That would have taken place in the '70s.
But since Gambit was a thief,
heist elements would still remain in the story.
- He stole her heart.
- Yeah.
I'm guessing that they went in the direction
of making an R-rated movie after seeing the success
of Deadpool and Logan.
Both of those were R-rated movies.
- Correct.
- In January 2019, it was reported by deadline
that Channing Tatum dropped his reps at UTA
in management 360.
The rumor was that he wanted to direct the film
with his producing partner, Reed Carolyn.
- That again, doesn't surprise me
with the amount of--
- With the amount of delays, and be like,
I know this so well.
- It sounds like Anna Kendrick and the woman
of the hour movie that came out
that was her directorial debut.
They just couldn't find a director.
And she's like, I'll do it.
- I'll try.
- Yeah.
- She did a great job.
- Yep.
They never explicitly said that they wanted
to direct the movie, although they did
end up co-directing the movie dog.
(laughs)
So it shows that they were really willing to try this out.
- Well, maybe that was their test run.
- Yeah.
While in the background of this development hill,
Disney was in the process of buying Fox and Negotiations
where soon coming to a close in February 2019 producer
Lauren Schuller-Donna, announced that the production
for Gambit would pause until the deal was finalized.
Unfortunately, when the film was put in the hands of Disney,
the release date was removed from the schedule.
And in May, it was officially canceled.
Gambit was not the only movie on the chopping block.
There was also going to be an X-23 film,
a spin-off from Logan, and a third Deadpool,
a different film from Deadpool in Wolverine.
- Was it like a Christmas Deadpool or something?
- The Christmas one was supposed to be the second movie.
- Yeah.
- All the film rights for the X-Men then returned
back to Marvel Studios.
(audience applauding)
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So this brings us to how we got Gambit in Deadpool in Wolverine.
Director Sean Levy was the one that approached Tatum
to portray the character, and he was more than grateful
to finally play Gambit.
Also a huge shout out to the costume designer,
Ray's Rubio, for creating a comic book accurate costume.
- My only thing about Deadpool Wolverine,
and maybe I just wasn't focused enough.
I wanted more of his eyes to change,
but like, rather than that,
and that's not the costume designer, that's the VFX department.
- Yes.
When it came to his accents, his lines were written in a way
to be nonsensical according to Levy.
It was then that Tatum, this laid down the accent thick.
Like, he understood the assignment,
and then like, we're really into it.
- He's got Megan Aiden himself.
- You know how long I've been waiting for this?
- What about I make a name for myself here?
- I watched the assembled for this,
the shot where you have Electra,
Gambit and Blade, and X-23.
- X-Gun, give it to you.
- But like those, those three in particular,
Blade Electra, Gambit,
you can tell how they're just like,
they're just so happy to be there.
- They're just so jazz.
They were all like, standing around and looking at,
I think like a previous thing.
And you can see the excitement just like,
emanating out of them,
and then they go to do something else,
and they're like, all right, that's like,
you know, we're done with the day.
And he's like, do we have to?
(laughs)
- I didn't want to stop,
and I was very, I was like, tired.
I was like, do we have to go home?
Do we have to take it off?
- After the movie had come out,
Channing Tatum took to social media
and he actually put out a quote, he said,
"I thought I had lost Gambit forever,
but Ryan Reynolds fought for me in Gambit.
I will owe him probably forever,
'cause I'm not sure how I could ever do something
that would be equal to what this has meant to me.
I love you buddy.
I'm so grateful to be in this movie.
It's a masterpiece, in my opinion,
the pure baddest joy.
I was literally screaming in the theater.
- I hope he just went and sat at theaters
and let people scream to my theater,
when he came on screen.
- I freaked out.
- I didn't know.
(laughs)
I freaked out when Electric came on screen,
'cause my girl, Jett of a Granner,
that I was just like, "Oh, everybody gets excited,
who is this character?"
- And a post-credit scene,
which is hard to make out,
they're on one of the TVA screens.
We can see Gambit manage to survive the battle.
Later, Ryan Reynolds confirmed this on his Instagram account
that Gambit did indeed survive
when he posted the full video.
So there is potentially a way
that a Gambit movie could be seen in the future.
- Nice.
- That's what you sent me, right?
- I did send it to you.
I said just one more thing.
- Just one more thing.
- And I sent you that video.
- It was really good.
I wish you had sent that to me
before I watched Deadpool and Wolverine.
The TVA screens, I think I just want to watch one day,
'cause I'm sure like, why is Thor crying?
We never got that.
- No, we didn't.
- Maybe we'll get it in the Gambit movie.
We'll know why.
- So that's gonna conclude apart one
of our Gambit episode.
In part two, we are gonna actually just dedicate
the whole thing to Jess the script.
- Got how way it was a guess.
- Yes.
(laughs)
It's going to be Jess the script,
the one that was the second draft.
Remember it came out around like 2015.
- Got it when it was still a high-s movie.
- When it was still a high-s movie,
and that is what we're gonna be going over.
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Before we go, do you have any movie recommendations?
- Oh my God.
Do you have one?
- I recently saw No Sforat too.
- Just be nice, No Spoilers, 'cause I haven't seen Ian.
- In it, everyone's hot for No Sforat too.
(laughs)
Now, I thought it was beautifully done, beautifully shot.
You could definitely tell that Robert Edgar's
just loves the original movie so much.
- The only thing that's gotten ruined for me
is what he looks like.
And I don't understand the mustache.
- There was a historian that explained the mustache
on why that was because if he was someone who is of nobility,
but they show that a lot of those who are in high power, who are.
- But he has no hair on his head.
So, the just the mustache remains?
- Yeah.
- I found it very distracting from the one shot
and people started sending it to me and I was like,
"Again, I have not seen it be nice, be kind."
- It's beautifully done, beautifully shot.
The way that the coloring works for it,
like there are moments where I thought,
"Did they just make it a black and white movie?"
Or did they just tone down so much of the color?
But still, fantastic.
- I've seen Wicked like six more times.
I bought it.
Look at how many times I've seen.
- You have a sickness in your head.
- I do, it's asifying.
There's several movies that I'm really excited to see.
So I'm gonna do another blind recommendation
of the last showgirl.
- Oh yeah.
- Yeah, Pamela Anderson and Jamie Lee Curtis
and Keirnan Shipka and Brenda Song, like the cast is phenomenal.
I've seen a couple of clips of Jamie Lee Curtis.
She's like a cocktail, waitress and vagus.
- That movie has been circulating
around the Burlesque community in Los Angeles.
- I'm sure it is.
- And everyone's like getting behind that.
- From what I've seen, it looks really great.
I'm in this position right now where
of too many movies I wanna see,
so I get paralyzed and then I can't choose.
But if you haven't seen the substance yet,
I'm gonna plug up a substance again,
'cause it got an Oscar, no?
- Ooh, yeah.
- Which is massive for horror.
- Well, what's our plugs?
- We're in a very weird time.
It comes to social media.
- Yes. - We're in a state of discussion.
We keep saying we're in a state of flux,
but this is an out of our hands state of flux.
This is just a weird time where we're on TikTok,
but again, there were fires and it got taken away
and we'll come back.
- We're in a very strange time.
I know.
Hopefully we're able to just provide some sort of distraction
in this world of chaos and hurt.
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- Yeah, that is an open box for suggestions.
So join us next time when we go over
the entirety of the Gambit script.
- I don't wanna wait a week.
I mean, I know I don't have to, but...
- Bye bye.
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