Why know that when we are working in self-love, we take no shit.
You will not allow in your space people that doesn't value you in the same way that you value them.
People that will not make time for you in the same way that you make time for them.
People that will not approach you with the same respect that you will approach them, right?
You will no longer allow the bullshit.
Welcome to the Re-Patterning Podcast where we believe your mind body system is your domain
and that choosing the beliefs, habits and patterns that best support you is your birthright.
I'm your host, Arden Leigh, creator of the Re-Patterning Project, an eight-week course in learning
to free yourself from the patterns of your past and program your mind for your dreams of the future.
Join me for these extraordinary conversations as we unpack the keys to creating our reality.
Welcome back to the Re-Patterning Podcast. I'm your host, Arden Leigh,
and today I am chatting with Wendy Mata, who is the author of the upcoming book,
Brueja Curenera. If you're watching the video, you can see I've got this advanced copy
on my iPad right here that I was given to take a look at just earlier today,
and I'm so excited to talk about it because you guys, it is so cool.
It is packed full of rituals and exercises that you can do.
And I really love how Wendy and I, from what I've read so far, really have a very similar viewpoint
on the framework of doing magic and healing and Re-Patterning.
But Wendy's approach is from her tradition, her lineage of Mexican culture and Brueja.
And so I'm really excited to hear about how she does the same kinds of, maybe not the same things,
but how she achieves the same kind of results that I like to achieve in my practice,
because she's talking about so many of the things we share the same values
and the same ideas around Re-Patterning, reclaiming our sovereignty and agency.
And so I'm really excited to learn more about Brueja today.
So I want to tell you a little bit more about her before we bring her in.
And she is the founder of Brueja Power Botanica, in addition to being the author of Brueja Curenera.
She has initiated in shamanism, she got initiated there in Yucatan,
and she trained in Brueja and Kurandurismo through her family lineage.
She is also certified as a raky master and a pronocular.
And she is also a fengue master and a certified leadership coach.
So I'm really, really stoked to hear what she has to say today.
Wendy, thank you so much for appearing here today.
It is so lovely to see you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, my pleasure.
Wendy and I are friends on Facebook, but unlike most of the guests on the Re-Patterning podcast so far,
most folks I've been familiar with, they're folks that I've worked with before,
are spoken with at some length and invited on.
And Wendy, this is your and my first time chatting.
So thank you again.
Yes, it is.
And congratulations on your book release.
That must be really exciting.
Yes, this is a lot of work.
So I'm happy that it's finally out there.
I'm ready.
I bet.
Yeah, one of the things that stood out to me at first when I was reading through it is I love in
chapter one, you talk about releasing calcifications and I love that word calcification because
what we're speaking about, I believe, is these ways of being or thoughts or patterns that have
been quite literally calcified into resistance, into stubbornness, right?
We're talking about patterns that we have taken on that have become, I can't almost
can't think of any word other than calcified, right?
We become stuck in them.
And creating that flexibility, breaking up that calcification is so much of the work of
Re-Patterning because from that place of flexibility and flow when the energy is moving, then we can
actually choose the patterns that work for us and get out of those automated processes.
So you've talked about, and literally the phrase that I wrote down here that stood out to
me so much was how mental programming deposits in our bones and what a beautiful and organic
way to speak about that.
So I'd love to hear about your process and how you advise people and take them through
that process of releasing calcification.
Well, I think it will take more than one hour to teach people how to do a proper release
of calcifications.
I can talk a little bit about the concept in my tradition.
I like, I like starting by saying that my ways are not the only ways and just because of
Mexican and Amapurruj and Amapurruj and Dera.
It doesn't mean that I am the full authority on it.
I like to say this when I am about to teach or I'm in a conference or in a podcast or
anywhere else because Mexico is such a diverse space and there are so many traditions within
our traditions.
There are so many ways within our ways and there are so many tribes within our tribes.
So the things that I teach in my book and in my trainings are the ways that were passed
to me by my ancestors and by my teachers, but they are not the only ones.
So if you're hearing this for curiosity or whatever reason, I want to invite you to keep
that in mind because you may or may not agree with what I say and that is totally okay.
You never have to agree with me.
But I do invite you to accept the idea, right, that there are many processes to the same
outcome and they are many different ways and many different systems to achieve what we
want to achieve.
I think that's the mark of a good teacher.
Yes, it's like always question me, always ask the questions, right?
Yeah, the last word is never like that, absolutely.
That is the biggest green flag for me.
But in my tradition, what I practice at Calsification is yes, what you were saying is the mental
programming that I think calcifies, like that's how we call them, it's called Calsification.
But it's almost like every thought, every way, every pattern, every belief systems that
you may have, stars creating these little tiny pebbles inside of your energy centers.
The way that I was trained, it goes beyond the chakras.
A lot of traditions work with the chakras, my work goes beyond the chakras.
Again, this doesn't mean that it is right or wrong.
This is just how I was trained.
While we do it in the work that I do is that we identify the Calsifications that people
may be carrying on their, to the loose, which is like the two of the light that we have,
the org field.
And now it's all the energy centers.
So we work in 21 different energy centers through the body and a Calsification extraction
can be done in many ways.
So what I handle in the book is more mental, like there's a little bit of mantras and a
little bit of invitations to give yourself permission to release what you're carrying, but
it would go deeper, right?
There's also several different ways of removing energetic patterns from people.
There are different tools that we use for this.
There's different technologies, spiritual technologies that we use for this.
There's expansions, contractions, neutralizations that can happen in the energy field that we
do when we are removing Calsifications.
But in traditional curandrismo, what we do is something called principle of transference.
So what we are doing is that we're transferring an energetic imprint or acclassification from
someone into something else.
So the most foundational level of this work is for example, limpias, which a lot of people
are familiarized with this.
You may have seen a lot of videos of people using X to cleanse their energy or feathers to
cleanse their energy or smoke to cleanse their energy.
But the principle is, the principle of transference is that you are moving acclassification or
a pattern or an energetic imprint from your body and you're passing it into something.
So next time, you see a Mexican there with their web, right?
Like with their egg just passing it through their body, police know that this is what's
happening.
Actually, a lot of people doesn't know why it works.
A lot of people doesn't know why just doing a limpia itself is going to make you feel significantly
better.
But the reason is that it's transferring energy from one place to another.
But removing cussification is really just the first step into or healing journeys because
what we believe in my tradition is that the energetic imprint is basically going to
leave a hole inside of you.
So it's almost like you have the little pebble or the little stone, right?
And then you take the pebble out and where that pebble was, there is a dent.
And there is a dent that needs to be repaired because otherwise you're living a dent that
cool feels with something else.
So what we do in Quran, that is more and more advanced practices of healing is that we
feel that dent.
We feel that whole with a different type of energy.
And of course, there's a lot of different processes to figure out what that energy is supposed
to be, the one that we are detecting.
But we have to reconfigure the energetic programming that you carry in your bones and your
joints in your blood so that you can actually become the person that you were meant to become.
And if you are carrying in your energetic field, older notifications, then you will not
be able to move forward with your goals and the ways that you want to live life because
you're carrying hundreds or thousands of pebbles within your life, right?
And depending on the life experiences that you've had, some of you may not really carry
a lot of calcifications because you have been very disciplined about your thoughts because
you have been doing energetic maintenance if you went through a situation of trauma because
you have been doing energetic repairs.
But there is also situations in life that take us through or dark moments, right?
And when we are in situations of trauma, situations of pain, situations of grief, what happens
is that we make energetic space for some of those calcifications.
So it really depends, right?
Where we are.
And then when we are repairing the calcifications, we're identifying the calcifications,
we are repairing the calcifications, that there's processes that we follow to ensure that
those calcifications do not have a resonance to return to our bodies.
So we actually have to do something so that we are not in the exact same frequency and
the same vibration that we wear.
Otherwise, you take it out of your body, you repair that energetic hole that was created,
but if you don't change your vibration, that calcification is going to return.
The thing is that once we begin the process of deep programming ourselves and changing
our level of consciousness and changing our frequency and changing our vibration, then
there is no way, at least in my belief system, there is no way that all this energetic
imprints can return because you are vibrating in such a different frequency and such as
different vibration that there is no match.
There is no energetic match for this things to attach.
That was a really long answer.
No, that was great.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah.
The universe hates vacuum is one of the things I love to say in the Re-Patterning project,
which by the way, if you're listening is the eight-week course that I teach that inspires
these conversations and you can learn more about it at theRePatterningproject.com, how smooth
was that for a pitch?
Back to Wendy.
What I'm fascinated by, and I wrote down about the egg cleanses because that was something
I wanted to ask you about as well because that's something that I also do in my practice,
specifically, like mostly for spiritual attack, but I've never used an egg cleanse for Re-Patterning.
That's fascinating to me.
I was not aware that that could be done, so you can use an egg to change your thoughts,
beliefs, habits and patterns as well.
You can use it to extract, but you have to use different things to Re-Patterning.
That is what that will be.
Yeah, that will be the tool that you're using for the removal.
The principle of transfer is again, whatever energy we have in our body will go in the
body. In the book, I wrote a ritual where you can do your reprogramming using candle magic.
That's one of the easiest ways of doing it.
And then obviously it depends on the situation of your life and how many calcifications you
have to release, but it is a process that will help people.
Just by beginning the process of reprogramming yourself, removing calcifications, rewriting
your code.
You are already telling the universe everything else that I was scaring I'm ready to release.
I don't have to be on that same energetic identity that I used to have.
I am ready to change it.
So even that is just a candle spell or several candle spells that I wrote through the book,
they are very efficient and very strong and they do help people recreate that frequency.
I love candle magic for Re-Patterning personally.
I want to talk about that too, but before we move off of egg cleanses, I actually want
to ask you something that I've always been curious about because I've been doing egg cleanses
for years now.
It was one of those things about magic where it really challenged my own beliefs was the
part of the egg scrying, cracking the egg in a glass of water and reading how the egg
appears, if there's any blood spots in it or webbing around it or whatnot, in order to
know what was going on with you.
That was one thing that really challenged me.
Even as a magician, I'm doing this for over a decade now.
And I've seen so many incredible mind blowing amazing results.
And yet there is still a part of me with this, this like, no, come on, those blood spots must
have been in the egg before I did the thing.
Maybe it's just the universe gave me the right egg, you know, that had the right thing in
it at that time that it showed, you know, somehow it knew which spot in the carton to put
the one that I would be grabbing on today when I'm dealing with this problem or whatever
or, or did those spots really appear in the egg after I cleansed it?
And I've always, it's still to this day boggles my mind.
I'm curious what your thought is about how those marks that we divine the egg from get
there.
You know, I never asked myself that question actually.
I grew up having it as part of my every day.
Come on, not every day.
I didn't see a limpia every day, but I saw them very often because they are such as an
important piece of foretradition.
So I really never occurred to me to question where they come from.
But that's a great question.
And yeah, it could be that you have an egg that it was implanted in that egg had a little
chicken there that died and that's why we have a little blood on it.
But it could also be that we are giving desecritude the opportunity to help us and that we are
allowing also ourselves to believe that those ancient traditions, because this is something
that has been done for a long time, at least in my tradition, to unfold the power that they
carry within.
When I was kind of sideways, but not, or side tracks, but not when I was studying function
in Malaysia, I was questioning all the symbology, not questioning, but like, yeah, questioning,
questioning the symbology and the statues and the deities and all the work and that the
type of function that I was studying.
And I remember the revel that I am always questioning a lot of things, going to the
Feng Shui master that was training me and asking her, why do I have to have this when
I could have something else?
Like in my tradition, I will use something else.
We do manipulation of energy in a very different way.
And I remember something that she said to me that stick up to today and what she said
was, for hundreds of years, people have been given the symbology to these deities, to these
symbols, to these colors, to the corners, to the dimensions that are unfolding within
Feng Shui.
By you using those dimensions, those symbols, those deities, you're tapping into the power
that people has been stacking for hundreds of years.
So it made me believe in it in a way because she was right because I was like, okay, yeah,
you're right.
Like if people are using this, it will be, I guess, an aggregate, right?
Which craft terms?
We are assigning a frequency and a vibration to something that almost comes like a persona.
So in my tradition, we have been using eggs for a really long time and I have witnessed
amazing transformations that have happened on people's lives just by having a limpia.
So I almost feel like questioning something that I have witnessed, like I have data for
it, I have cases of study that show that it works.
So that's how I handle it for me because I have the privilege and the pleasure and the
honor and the responsibility because there's a lot of responsibility all knowing this since
the beginning of my life.
So I never got to think that it was a made up thing in a way because it was always what
I saw my grandma or my aunts or people in Mexico doing.
I also think that magic works better.
If you want to call this, although this is more like healing, but it is still magic, works
better when we believe in it.
And we do not believe in it.
I mean, you know, this and everybody that is listening to this knows if we don't believe
in it, it's still going to have an effect because we are not immune to magical forces and
healing forces and frequency some vibrations.
But if we are believing in it, we are giving it an entry point energetically to do the work
and we're giving it the possibility of unfolding the capacity that it has to change our lives.
So yeah, we can question, yeah, we can question the egg, we can question the crystal, we
can question why we talk to trees or why we feel like a deity is asking us for a glass
of meat, right?
We can question all those things, but then at the same time, I don't know, for me, it's
just like, let's improve it otherwise that is not real.
There's things that I don't believe.
Like, I believe in the power of the principal transference because I have witnesses since
I was a kid, but I'm sure that if I see something else that I never encountered before, my logical
brain will kick in and we're like, maybe this bullshit.
Yeah, no, if anything, I think it's solidified my beliefs because it's, it'll be like, if
I know I'm under an attack and I go and I do like a song bath, you know, and then I come
out and I do an egg cleanse.
It's like, oh, there's some spots in it.
Got to do another one.
And then there's the next egg and it's like, oh, there's some spots, but there's fewer spots
in this one.
And then the next egg is like, oh, this egg is clear.
And I'm like, how did that, how about that?
It's, but it's magic.
Right, right.
I mean, the book you have, you have the copy.
You're one of the first ones that have a copy, actually.
I'm so honored.
an egg, that you go to the 21 points that are in that chart and you see how you feel before
and after. I am not saying that you're what you were doing was not strong. I'm sure that
it was amazing, but I invite you to see the possibilities that exist and you access
that spiritual technology that also has existed for over the long time. And let me know,
let me know how it feels because by the time that you finish usually and complete those
centers of energy that you're cleansing, it makes a difference. It definitely makes a difference.
I will, I will give that a shot the next time I, I am hoping with all like the magical
attacks that I have faced in the last five months that I won't have to do one for a
for a while now, but well, I shouldn't say that. It's always good to practice good spiritual
hygiene. It is worth an egg a week just to maintain. So yeah, next time.
Yeah, you know, I do them a list. I hope you want to submit a lot of events and I do it
at the end of every event. I am sure that I do a cleanse. We go to a very crowded place.
I am sure that we do a cleanse. If like if I witness something intense as a latina in those
days right now, oh, it's heavy. So I do a cleanse. But yeah, I do that. And then the ways that
you interpret the divination with the egg may or may not be the same than what I describe
on the book. So I also will be curious about if it changes or not because in the book,
I wrote a couple of different interpretations and a couple of different points of the
meanings of things like what does he mean? We have black thought. What does he mean? We have
blood. What does he mean when you have the lines? What does he mean? We have the bubbles.
So I will also be curious to know if the interpretations that you know are similar. What is your
tradition? Where is your family from? I have family from Italy and I also have family
from Hungary. So and my which blood comes through my Hungarian lineage.
Hungarian. Oh, one of the most amazing magical experiences I ever had was actually Hungary.
Hungary changed my life. I'm a little town called York. Do you know York? No, I have actually never
been to Hungary, but now I want to hear your story. Please go. Please go. Please go. Before I
get I go to there, I think a lot of Italian people do the web too, right? I think that's a lot.
A lot of I've read that a lot of Italian people do it. So I learned it from a place out here that
does Celtic like British traditional witchcraft. That's where I learned the Eglens. That's just where
I learned it. I don't think anybody owns anything. I think that as long as we treated we respect.
Obviously there's far some traditions that are very sacred, but there's other parts that I think
that they can be witnessed by other people. Anyways, when I was in my 20s, I think I may have been like
24 or 25. I was in my first international trip, international business trip. I guess second,
but the first was like Colorado. It didn't really count. I was in Mexico and I went to Colorado.
They didn't feel like a big one because I live in the border. So crossing to the US was like
often, but I went, I was just to work for Nokia, Nokia, Nokia, and I was responsible for the
plastics and mechanics of one of the cell phones that they were developing. So I had to go to this town
to do some tests on the production line where they were doing the cell phone. So I think I was there.
I don't remember if it was there for a week or two, I don't remember, but there was a day that I had
a day that was off. So probably I arrived to Hungary maybe on a Saturday and then I had Sunday off
and then I had to go work on Monday. So on the morning of that day, I just decided that I was going
to walk around the town. So I was, it's a medieval town. It's an old town and I was walking around
York and I am walking through the streets and I'm having this feeling that I have been there.
I'm having like, I can see, I can literally see on my brain's eyes. Oh, here there was a,
you know, a church. Oh, no, here there was days and here was a, and I'm starting to walk and I'm
starting to just have this sensation of familiarity that I have been there. And it wasn't like,
"deja boo," it wasn't not. It was like, I knew at the point, you know, after I had been walking for
around an hour, I knew I was there. And then suddenly, this is like the most intense part,
I see a different version of me that comes to me and tells me, "I have to take you to these three."
I'm like, "Okay, fine." I'm like, "I'm seeing this atari al-wendy." She grabs my hand and I start
walking with this version of me. I don't know, blocks. And boy, she's telling me that I have to
touch these three and she tells me, "You have to go to these three. You have to go to these three."
So I'm walking there and I am walking through the cobblestones of the city, York, and we get into this
majestic hundreds of years old, huge three. I have no idea what it was. And she asked me to touch
these three. So I am there and I go and I touch these three and these three release a lot of energetic
imprints that that version of me have left for me. It's really, it's like super cool. Like she told me
that at some point in the timeline, it wasn't safe for her to carry those coats. And she had to deposit
those coats in that tree for me to get. It wasn't that cool. It wasn't that cool. So I get there and I do
these massive transmutation of my energy that is happening because of all these energy that is coming
from this tree. And after that she tells me, after this finishes, she says, "Thank you." She says, "This is
the next version of you. You have to move out of Mexico." She says, "This is what she said." She says,
"You have to move out of Mexico. By next year, you need to be out of Mexico." So I came back from hungry
to Reynozá, which is my hometown. And I told my family that I was moving. I didn't know where I
didn't know when. She told me that I had to move to Europe, which I thought it was hungry, but it wasn't
hungry. And within maybe six months of that trip, maybe eight months, I already had a job in Finland.
I had a place to stay and a visa and I was gone. Wow. I'm so curious what were the codes in the tree.
I think that they're still unfolding. Some of them, I think some of them needed to give me the
clarity of leaving my hometown because it was starting to get a little dangerous. When I grew up,
my town was pretty calm. I mean, it was like a small town in the border. There was still narco
war, something like that, but it wasn't terrible. I never felt unsafe. Maybe I wasn't even aware of
what was happening. But when I was getting in my 20s, it was starting to get dangerous.
For the record, by the way, for anybody listening to this, this doesn't mean that Mexico is dangerous.
There's beautiful places that you can visit that are safe and that are amazing. This is what was
happening at that time in 2004, '56, whatever the time was. And I think it gave me the
the clarity that things were coming that I wasn't supposed to be there for. And it also gave me the
belief system that I could manifest moving out of the hometown that my family had been for
a really long time. Where I grew up at, where my parents were born, like we had like lots of generations
there. And it also gave me the courage to move because when you move, I don't know what your
life story, but when you move from one country to a completely different one, like different language,
different weather, different food, different people, different colors, different everything,
it was completely drastic change. That happened happened in order for me to be who I am today,
that happened. That was such a fundamental thing in my life, but it will not have happened.
If I will not have seen that version of me that took me to that tree that gave me those
codes, then just unfolded. Wow. I love also how I love how the universe or our spirits or whatever,
the unseen forces that be that are working on our behalf also. I love how they bring us exactly where
they need to go. Like what were the odds of your company sending you to the specific town in Hungary?
And you having the day off and wandering around and getting to that specific tree. Like I just,
I'm getting chills now because it's, I love trusting where I'm led. You know, and I wasn't even
supposed to be there. The one that was my boss was the one going to the tree to the tree, not to the
tree to the trip. He was the one that going to Hungary, but then he's wife was acquired
Jellos Mexican woman that didn't want these men to go to Hungary. So he turns up the trip a week
before the trip and told me you have to go and say, "I'm imagining your spirits like whispering in
her ear being like, don't trust him." I didn't even have a passport. Like I hear a passport. So he's
like, "You have to go get a passport." So I like the neck, like when he told me that day, I went to
take the pictures and I went to the, like, the passport plays and I explained them that I had to like
travel right away and get a passport and then that's how it went there. Wow. Oh my gosh, that's so
cool. So I want to talk about candle magic, which I know we were just talking about a little while ago.
And I know for me that was really the foundational start of my practice was sigil magic and candle
magic. And I, you know, I combine them. I create a sigil. I'm still 90% of the magic that I do today.
And I've got a bunch of them burning in my kitchen counter right now. I carve a, you know, I create
my statement and I've intent and I do it in my real nice, like, super autistic legal ease every, you
know, every t cross, every eye dotted. And I create a sigil out of that. I carve it on a way candle. And
because I can choose the color of the candle and I can choose the oil to annoy it with, you know,
and the herbs to put with it, that's going to add, you know, their own unique energy to that.
And then, you know, I burn it in that sit and one of the first, one of the first spells I did in,
really, I guess, I guess the first year of my magic practice was my magic practice really hit the
road when I had a twin flame awakening. And when I learned, you know, when I, when I let go of, of my
attachment to the person and I finally started listening, you know, a few months into the path.
And it was like, the path is like, well, you need to be in your best place in order for this to work.
I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll just do the magic on that. So I did a candle spell on,
there was a new moon in Pisces and I did a candle spell for the, the sense of I am in the vibration of my
soul's fulfillment. And naturally, like my eyeballs melted out of my head over the next few months.
But I would love to know more about how you use candle magic. You're talking about using candle,
candle magic to, to fill in those energetic vacuums that get left behind when we extract a belief
or a pattern, and we can use something like candle magic to fill that back up with what we do want.
And how is your process around that? So let's say that you are releasing an energetic
classification or a mental programming where you do not feel like you are enough. And that's just,
you know, making an example. Great example. I think a lot of folks know, I know I always still struggle.
Now, I feel like we're here, something we're in the floor, right? Like we all do it.
You know, let's say that we're having one of those moments where we are not feeling worthy of
for people, for family, of abundance, of strength, of peace. And we recognize that we are carrying a
mental programming or energetic classification about that. We can use a tool like an egg or like a
lime or like garlic or there's a long less than the book, whatever feels like it's a right for you,
just trust it. But after you do the extraction, if we're talking about candle magic, what I probably
will do if I needed to, to feel the void, right? I will probably get a pink candle and program that
candle for self-love, program that candle for self-compassion, program that candle for
divine feminine program that candle for, for softness, program that candle for whatever it is
that I was feeling that will heal, will heal the wound caused by that classification of not feeling
worthy. And depending on the circumstances, I'll probably will do just one novena. So the
novena candles is like the seven to nine days candle, like this is a novena candle for us, right?
Beladora, we call it, right? That would be probably seven and this probably will be a nine,
which is like a little significantly bigger, right? And I will do one novena candle, maybe one candle,
just to ask that candle to reactivate the energetic vibrations that I need for that specific
situation, not feeling worthy. If it was something stronger, if it was something that needed much more,
much more of a vibrational shift, I will probably ask the space, what do you need? And maybe
we'll be self-love, but also it may be different things. And I probably will do a three days,
a three-day thing when I will have like maybe one candle is for self-love and then the second one
is for forgiveness and then the third one is for whatever, right? And that is not enough,
depending on the processes, maybe I will go up to seven. And usually that's plenty. I think sometimes
depending on your people's level of candle magic one is enough, but I'm going to do more and that's
okay. But that's how I will use candle magic. Like I will just like with the intention, having the
intention of the candle to reactivate or insert or implant the vibrations that are missing.
Nice. I would also say to your example of self-love is so great. And I feel like there are a lot of
folks out there and probably like me at certain times included who were like, oh self-love,
that's so cheesy or whatever like because I want to spell to get a lover or to get more money or to
get these external things. And my spirit actually guided me a few months ago. I have a self-love honey
jar sitting on my altar because one year for Valentine's Day and my advance container, we decided
to all make self-love honey jars to fall in love with ourselves was super cute. And of course,
like I feel like you always underestimate, right? At least I often do. You always underestimate
these, the results of these things that we do on ourselves. And a few months ago, my spirits were like,
no, you need to add a self-love candle to that honey jar every week, every Friday. You need to be
doing that because right now, I'm like, do you think I don't love myself enough? And they're like,
look, you have a lot of influences around right you right now that don't understand you and are
bringing you down. And oh my gosh, that practice, the self-love candle on that jar once we, I made
the jar a couple of years ago, but recharging it and doing it once a week, it changed me so much. And
not even this like, oh, yeah, I really love myself kind of, which is great too. But like it gave me
boundaries. It made me not tolerate people's BS anymore. It allowed me to bring the wisdom that I
knew is within me and like give it a voice. And it actually made me in many ways, I think like sharper.
You, we think of self-love as being soft. And I think for me, this actually made me sharper and
clearer. I would be curious to know what are some of the surprising perhaps unexpected results that
you've gotten from love spells or from self-love spells or maybe that your clients have gotten?
I think I might know that when we are working or self-love, we take no shit.
Yeah.
Feeling to negotiate your pins. You're not longer going to be willing to negotiate your abundance.
You're no longer going to be willing to negotiate anything. You will not allow in your space
people that doesn't value you in the same way that you value them. People that will not make time
for you in the same way that you make time for them. People that will not approach you with the same
respect that you will approach them, right? It's always, especially when it comes to relationships,
right? It's always a two-way. It's not just a give me give me. It's a two-way. But it has brought me,
I did one of those last year actually in September. I did a spell for self-worth and I added in the
spell of some some worth. I also added an energetic container that will no longer allow people that
were not authentic because I was dealing with some circumstances of people that were doing
glamour magic. And I was not seeing them for who they were because they were very good at what
they were doing. And I have my defenses low because I have been writing a book. I have been,
I was dealing with some chronic illness like last year was a little difficult, right? So what I
did was to do a, I am worth this spell, but I also created the energetic container off seeing. I say,
I will see what I have to see. I will hear what I have to hear and I will say what I have to say.
And the people that are not resonating at my own vibration or better or at least a little lower,
but not too low are no longer welcoming my life. They show up. I love that. Girl, the amount of people that I lost.
But this is because the people are not feeling my life. We're resonating with that lower frequency
that I was carrying. And when I decided that I was going to expand my consciousness, the next
quantum jump, which is didn't match anymore. And some of them left quietly. Some of them made a lot
of noise, but because I had the self-worse spell going, I was like, okay, bye. Thank you. I have to do.
So it will do that to you. You will no longer allow the bush in. You will no longer allow. You will
just not allow that because you can't, you can't, you can't. Like if you try to the gen that pill with a
lot of water, it's still not going to go through throat. It's just not going to happen. So I saw it.
And some of those people were people that I loved and heard it did. But also I realized that the Wendy
that they met and they were so native with was not the same one that I became after writing the book.
Because writing the book may mean have to go through so much healing, so much healing. And it was so
cathartic, but also it left me very raw. So a vulnerable. So I created connections that were
supposed to be there. And now they're all gone. But it was it was a consequence of that. It was like,
okay, sub-worth. And you shall know pass. There's nothing this should be here. Should be here.
Yes. Oh my gosh. And I resonate with that so much too. I feel like I feel like one of the things that
has sort of been both a blessing and a curse throughout my life. And there is actually something about
like my birth information that my spirit's told me like, yes, the fact that this happened around
your birth means that you will always be on a path of transformation. And you'll always kind of
need a lot of support from your friends because you'll always be processing things. But it also means
that you will go through people fairly quickly because when you outgrow them, they're going to still
expect that outdated model of you and you're just not that person anymore. Yeah. That's I just want
to say like for people listening out there, when you're on a path of transformation, of Re-Patterning,
this is one of those things that you know, it's not a bad thing because it's just par for the course
that those same people and those same behaviors are not going to resonate with you anymore. But it is
one of those things that I do wish people had told me beforehand. So I could prepare for that because
you go through and also when you're first starting out, you know, I talk about something that I call
the revolving door of connection to where it's like all of your patterns are coming up and you might
also be feeling like some kind of, you know, guilt or shame being like, oh my god, I was doing that. So
it's hard enough confronting yourself in the mirror at the same time, you know, maybe you're going
on retreats, you know, you're you're meeting new people and whatever. And then you're in these
charged emotional environments where you're making these bonds, but then like people go away. So
you're like losing friends and you're moving too fast to kind of root in with new friends. And I
know I had a moment where I was just like, I don't seem to be keeping any friends. Am I a horrible person,
you know, if I'm losing everyone. And finally, like I landed and, you know, yes, more more friends will
come in. But that's like a part that I feel like people don't talk about a lot. Yeah. And also, I don't
think, I think you made a comment in your Facebook about this, which was about the fact that we are
activators. Yes. Yes. I'll share for our audience. The, I mean, just a very short post on on Facebook
that when he was kind enough to leave a comment on and I said, I said, you know, I was that I said an
intention, I said an intention during an Iowaska ceremony that I was in in 2017. And I said that my
intention for this ceremony is I want to become a beacon of light that shines so brightly to others
that she can awaken and enlighten them just by her mere presence. And I was like, really,
didn't think that one through really did not. Everyone's shadow comes. I'm the canary in everybody's
coal mine. And I'm not going to lie Wendy. I fucking hate it sometimes. Yeah. Everyone,
there is it's all their harm comes to me. And I'm just like, look at what you're doing, you know,
and it takes me then usually doing magic to mirror that to them or to expose what they're doing.
And they were, oh, and then they hit their rock bottom. They're, oh, I realized I'm doing that. And then,
you know, then they get better. I'm like, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. I have an invoice
here. You know, I, you know, I got into the conclusion that or what I have been on my path for the last
couple of years is that they're only two ways. We're going to connect at some point in life. And you
are going to be activated because the codes that I carry are going to help your coats. And we're
going to love each other and it's going to be amazing. Or you're going to hate me. Because that mirror,
because that mirror is that like, yeah, I used to take it very personal. But now I'm like, well,
that's my job apparently. I'm in a room and you're either going to love it or not.
It's, yeah, occupational hazard. Yeah, yeah, because the truth is, we are not here to control the outcomes.
Yeah, we are here to carry what we are supposed to carry. And those interactions, I have had the
opportunity to witness that they, a lot of them become just the titles of the drop that they needed
for them to shift into a best experience. And those are amazing to witness. But all the other ones
that take it like a mirror, that's not my job to control it is not my job to, to try to determine
the outcome. It's not my job for me to tell them how they're supposed to live life. It's not my job
for me to show them it hurts, it hurts because some of those are like people are just snappy and
stuff, but I'm on none of my business. Not my lesson to learn. I've been grabbing into that since the
beginning of the year because I knew that I was going to have another cleanse. And I've been like
grabbing into like not my lesson to learn. I am seeing people that they're digging their holes
with their lack of shadow work and not being accountable for their own actions and making like
things that I will see their negative for their own path. But I have to remind myself not my
lesson to learn. Not my lesson, not my lesson, not my lesson, not my lesson. I am here to witness.
And now the people that are around me, I tell them, I'm here with a glass of water. You can walk your path.
And if you get thirsty, I'll be next to you and you can say I'm thirsty and I'll give you the water.
I'm gonna grab the water back and I'll walk next to you, but I will not carry you anymore.
Oh yeah, man, that's such a relief to hear too. I feel like my, well my spirits have told me
there have been times like, and I do, you know, extensively expose your magic. You know, I'm just,
I'm gonna show what's going on so that everyone, it's not my, you know, and it's not my, my job to
take you through that. But then, you know, your friends and your peers or whatever can kind of call you in.
Sometimes you gotta, you gotta do it. Like if it's affecting you, if you're taking a toll on you,
sometimes you gotta do it, you gotta do it. I also feel like maybe it's because like I know you have
a family, you know, and like I live alone. So I feel like my spirits are maybe like, you know,
what, Arden, you have the time. They showed me, they showed me a verse from the Talmud and it was
something that was just posted somewhere that I read, but they really, you know, you know, how they do,
they just put blinking flashing lights around something and it was, um, he who, it,
gosh, I'm gonna paraphrase because I'm not saying it the exact right way, but it's, um, he who can stop
the sins of his household, but does not is responsible for the sins of his household. He who can
stop the sins of his city is responsible for the sins of his city and who he can stop the sins
of the whole world, but does not is responsible for the sins of the whole world. And they were like,
you can, you can stop that, Arden, you can, you can stop, you can bring that right up and make sure
that there are consequences for that. So, but you know, I think it's really nice, like I said,
it's really refreshing to hear that there's another approach that is equally as valid to be like that.
And it's not my lesson to learn for them, but maybe, you know, I guess there's something I can do,
but it's nice to know that too that that is another approach that I don't always have to be that way.
Now, now it is very liberating, at least for me, because I used to carry a lot, and I used to try to
control a lot of things, and I used to feel like I was responsible for a lot of lives. And then life
showed me after a couple of laps that in reality, I was just here for my own experience to help as
many people as I cool, but I put in the tools, but it was other people's responsibility to comment
the tools and do the work. That's such a great distinction. And I, because I used to be so frustrated and
so sad when I was trying to put all the tools that I knew that people will benefit from, and they will
not take them, they will not do the work. And this is not the case for a lot of people. I must people
want to do the work. I'm not saying that they don't, but for the ones that didn't, people that I
appreciated and that I loved and that they meant something to me, and having, you know, the plate of
food and they not chewing it, right? I have to learn the hard way, because he was taking a toll on
genetically, mentally, physically, emotionally. And then I realize now one of the best things that I can
do in my life is to yes have the tools for whoever is ready, for whoever resonates to what I'm here to
teach, because obviously I'm not the only teacher, and we're all teachers and all students, but also
another thing that I can do is that I can focus on my own abundance and my own happiness. That way,
I can resonate as at a higher vibrations, or that he can bring a little bit of light to the world.
That is such a wonderful distinction between like, yeah, one of the things I like to say sometimes
is like be the lighthouse, not the life raft. And if we're not focusing on ourselves and our own
light and our own abundance, like we can't show the way, obviously, that's such a good way of putting it.
I'd like to also ask you, you brought up Novena's earlier, and Novena's are one of my favorite practices
to, because I'm confirmed Catholic, so I've actually got two of them going on right now to do some
repair, as I said, I face a magical attacks recently. And I wanted to know who are your favorite
spirits, saints or ascended masters to work with when you say your novetis?
I don't do my Novena's to sayings, I do my Novena's to fire.
Oh, wow. You have never heard of that practice. Tell me more about that.
So I worked a lot with fire. Fire is the element that I, that's my primary element. And I was raised
Catholic, but then he got into a point in life when I realized he was not my path. I respected my family,
and he was so Catholic, but I realized that my world was more elemental. So the work that I do doesn't
use saints or collaborates with saints, I don't like using for collaborating, doesn't collaborate with
saints necessarily, but collaborates with the spirit of fire. So the way that my magic works is that
I am adding different elements and stacking different elements that activate fire in a very specific
frequency. So it's like the frequency of fire and then we are adding the additional correspondences
and the original colors and the additional ingredients to make these fires that is creating
the transformation much more potent. When I was still Catholic, I worked with San Cura Stadeo a lot,
and I worked with Wada Loupé and this is because my grandmother, she was a very devotee of the
Hinder Wada Loupé. She will pray the Rosary every day at 3 p.m. Nonstack, every single day. This is
something, and now my mom, she used to nod back then, but now I think my mom does the Rosary every day.
And so occasionally I still do Wada Loupé Vela Dora not necessarily because of the virgin,
not problem her, but it's more like to honor my grandmother, to honor my ancestors.
That's beautiful. Yeah, but I don't do a lot of saints work, and the way that I was trained too is
more like prayer than saints, which is not very typical to Catholics because I think it's got
the church due to a lot of same work, but it was not something my mom ever did a lot. What about you?
I love gosh, my go to's right now I'm working with St. Lucie, again for obviously she rules the
the site and the eye, so exposure, hey this is happening, take a look at this, but I also love St.
Dymphna because her work around mental health and specifically for Re-Patterning, she can get to
really deeply calcified patterns and create a corrective experience that can actually Re-Patterning
something that's really, really deeply embedded in basically one go, which is what I watched,
it just be really impressive. St. Dymphna, patrons saint of mental illness.
Okay, I've never heard of it. Yeah, I love her. She's she's great. Yeah, and then St.
expedite because I also work with Hermes and I feel like there is a relationship between the two of
them. So, so St. expedite is great too. St. Dwin-Win, patron saint of reuniting lost lovers is really great
for love relationships because her novena is very like it's very, give me this is if it's meant for
me, but if it's not then let me find love in my own time and my own way and the way that got in 10.
So yeah, and I've done you know, I've done saint Benedict and saint Christopher and saint Andrew,
but yeah, I think those are those are my main go-to's, my main my main folks.
Is Benedict the one for exorcisms?
I use him as the patron saint of avoiding poisons because I have loved ones in recovery.
So, that I went to him specifically for you know avoiding, avoiding alcohol, not for me, but for
for my loved one. Now, Sam Benito is the one for exorcisms. There's like a cross. Have you
have you seen this? You know what I'm talking about? Cruza Sam Benito? I don't think so actually.
So, it's used a lot in Rhinosa because there's a lot of black magic happening where I grew up,
or they're what I don't know I haven't been in a while. I probably should go home for a little bit.
The Cruza Sam Benito, I'm actually trying to figure out if I have one here, but I think this is my
downstairs office. It's the one that is the protector for exorcisms and for bad spirits.
So, even that I am not Catholic, I do have a little Sam Benito cross. That one of my teachers
sent me, so I have this Sam Benito cross in a couple of doors in my house on entry points. So,
if you were with Saints, and you have encountered spiritual attacks, and you have encountered negative
energies, look for it. Oh, that would be great. That would be amazing. Yeah. Check Sam Benito,
and I don't think you will be probably to the conversational, let's see how through.
Oh, good. Okay, cool. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. I will absolutely check him out.
Well, I want to invite Tomi on to ask her question at the end of our episodes,
since we are nearing the end of the hour. So, Tomi, do you have a question for Wendy today?
Do Wendy, I know that you've taught a course on anointing oils in the past. So, as a useful little tip
for our audience, I was wondering if you had any advice on how to make anointing oil at home on
short notice or in a pinch? For anything specific or just in general? Let's see. I mean, if we're calling
specifics, I've got like a Jupiter summoning ritual coming up. So, if that's if you have any advice
for that, that'd be great. But I think for general purposes, if you have any basic advice for the audience,
that works just fine. So, your Jupiter ritual, why are the specific frequencies of Jupiter that you
are trying to tap in? This is going to be in in jealous summoning, if that gives you what you need.
Is there specific frequency? Let me re-ass the question. Is there specific, like are you looking for
a specific frequency like the protection or like the abundance or like the warrior energy? Like what part
of that? I would say abundance, probably. Okay, abundance. Okay, okay, okay. So, what I will do in a pinch,
every which and this may not be the case for everybody, right? But every which you'll have,
I don't like using the worship, but yeah, you should have at least a minimum of three to five herbs in
your cabinets for several different things, right? And they don't have to be fancy herbs. Obviously,
it's amazing if you know the entire supply chain and they're organic and they were planted by these
amazing, which the chance to their plants every day. But the truth is that not everybody has
demeans or the time or the energy to have that in their lives. So, the recommendation is go to the
Latino store because of Mexican and we find really cheap herbs in the botanica, so the Latino stores
or the mercados or the grocery store and have a series of herbs that will help you. Add for
abundance, I always use rosemary and I always use basil in a pinch. And you have to call these
energies, what I will do is that I will go I will go in my kitchen and I will put some basil on
the palm of my hand on the left one, which is in my tradition, the receiving one, but depends on
what you believe. And I'll put some olive oil in my palm and then I will put some rosemary and some
basil and ask the frequency of abundance to activate in both. I probably will also put some bonesa,
although that's harder to get just for a little bit of avaricaminos and to kind of like cleanse the
pad a little bit. But if not at least basil and rosemary, I will put it here, I will activate it on my
hand and I will ask edge to open up the pad to receive, but I'll take a little bit of that oil and
I will probably put it on my third eye so that I can see the opportunities that are coming. I probably
put it on my throat so that I can speak off into those opportunities so that I could take the
opportunities and that will probably put it on my root chakra, just so that it kind of like grounds
that expands and I will put it on my belly button outside of my belly button just so that it heals
a little bit of the ancestral wounds that we carry for abundance because don't we all like we all
have stories that are ancestral struggle right. Lens you are from a very, very specific lineage that
is probably like a queen or a king. A lot of all those have stories of a struggle. That's what I will do.
In a pan she takes five minutes you can go you know you but I think it's important that we have the
herbs. I think it's important that we have at least I know and for me we have to at least have cinnamon
at least we have to have basil and we have to have bone said we have to have roses and we have to
have rosemary because we dose five you can do so much. Obviously you can have an entire apple thicker
in your house but in a pinch dose five just carry them actually when I travel I like to carry a
little tiny like pockets of them or a little bile of them sometimes and depending on what I need
I just can go on like do my thing. I hope that helps. That's very helpful thank you. Yeah I should have
almost everything I need around the house based on that advice so yeah. That's awesome thank you.
I think I will be depending you know because everybody circumsensors different but I think
up Raleigh also I don't know why I'm seeing this but I'm also seeing the bottom of your feet so maybe
also on the bottom of your feet so that every stand that you take brings abundance.
Tomi has plans to move soon. Oh wow. I love when things like that happen that's when you know that
you're in the presence of a real witch. Not that I had any doubt. Well if every step I take doesn't
bring abundance my feet pick surely will so maybe the lies coming from me.
Why not? Well Wendy thank you so much again for joining us today. This has been a wonderful
conversation. Just want to remind our audience once again that Wendy's book is out now it is
called Brueja Curendera and I got to take a look at it today. It's awesome try it out. Try the rituals
and the exercises that she's so generously unpacked throughout this book that allows everyone to
try this at home and yeah where can folks find you then Wendy? If you go to Brueja.us that's
BRUJA Brueja means which in Spanish? Brueja.us you can find my classes there you can also find the
link to get into my newsletter. We're always sending different resources for people and I also
when I don't forget about it I add the information for or summits and or festivals. I tend to host a
summit or a festival about different teams of magic every couple of months so that's a good way
of getting to connect with different teachers different practices learn new things challenge
yourself a little bit with different types of belief systems just to see if they feel right for
you or not so you can find all that in my website. Awesome thank you so much for chatting with us
today and thank you to all you who tuned in and listened today we hope you enjoyed this conversation
and I encourage you to go out try some of the things that Wendy and I have been talking about today
even if you don't believe in magic yet at least keep an open mind and allow spirit to prove it to
you go forth, repattern and we'll see you next time. Thank you for listening to the Repatterning
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