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Late night drive through visits.

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There are common ritual for many of us, filled with the allure of hot fries and cold beverages

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after a night out with friends.

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in the shadows.

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What if amidst those familiar stops you never made it home?

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That's the haunting reality of Allie Rice's unsolved murder case, a chilling mystery growing

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colder by the day.

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I'm Karen Chala and in this episode of Louisiana Unfiltered, we will unravel the mystery around

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Allie's tragic fate.

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It's been over 15 months since the 21-year-old marketing major at Louisiana State University

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was fatally shot while in her car stopped at a downtown Baton Rouge railroad crossing.

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Despite drawing national and international attention, there have been no arrests.

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With authorities tight-lipped about potential suspects, we're going to take you deep into

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the heart of the investigation, breaking down the facts, exploring the case's current status

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and shedding light on crucial clues in Allie's murder that have until now remained concealed.

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This is Louisiana Unfiltered.

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It was September 16, 2022.

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Allie was hanging out with a friend who was working to close up at a Baton Rouge bar.

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Allie waited with her friend so she would not have to leave out alone.

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Allie was on her way to her apartment near LSU when she stopped at a fast food restaurant.

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After getting her late-night fries, she was cruising down government street, passing Baton

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Rouge Magna High and nearing the railroad track where the garden district transitions

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into downtown when she came to a stop for a passing train.

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It was around 2 in the morning at that desolate train crossing.

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Allie became the victim of a senseless act of violence.

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Allie's gunshots echoed through the night as she was struck by nearly 10 rounds.

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The driver's side window and front window of her SUV were completely shot out, bullet holes

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riddled the door.

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The 21-year-old was killed at the scene.

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Her fries still in her lap when police arrived.

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So this case was honestly just different from the very beginning.

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And I guess let me walk you through how I found out about it.

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So it's September 16, 2022.

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Obviously, the incident happened around 2 in the morning.

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I'm actually out of town.

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And this morning I ended up waking up.

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I was out of town with friends and I ended up waking up on my own around 6 o'clock.

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Couldn't sleep and I just said, "Okay, I'm waking up."

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And I looked at my phone and it is blown up with text messages.

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And I'm blessed that I have sources who do tell me what is going on, but this morning

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was different.

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I had sources telling me things or should I say I had sources who I would only hear from

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in extremely dire situations reaching out.

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And it's one of those like, "You know when somebody calls you and says, 'Hey, and you see

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the caller ID, you already know, 'Oh, what are you calling me about?'

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I guess that's what it was like for me.

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And I saw those text messages and when I saw multiple people there, I figured out said,

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in my head, something's off here, something's not right."

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And granted again, this is 6 o'clock in the morning on a Friday.

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So I start reading the text messages and the text says, "Right now, simply say there was

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an incident that happened."

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That's usually the way this works is I get little pieces, the rest, I need to glue it together.

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So I start working all of my sources and start trying to figure out what's happening.

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And when I think I finally glued it together, it was about 9.30 in the morning for us to

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get our very first article out as to, there was a deadly shooting, a person has died.

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At this point, I don't know who it is.

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But again, something said it was different because of the amount of people reaching out

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and the people who did reach out.

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But still at this point, it's about 9.30 in the morning.

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I have just the basics out.

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At this point, I don't know anything more.

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I still remember it was about 11 o'clock because everybody is now starting to wake up, the

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group that I'm with.

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And we're all trying to figure out, "Hey, where do we want to go eat?

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We're going to go grab something to eat and my brain's not functioning.

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All I can think is, "Work, work, work, work, work."

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And by 11 o'clock, I think I had the very first story out that this was an LSU student and

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she has been identified as Allie Rice, a 21-year-old student.

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And I think by 11 o'clock on September the 16th, that Friday is when I kind of piece together,

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what happened?

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And I guess let me add this, that I am very blessed when it comes to my sources.

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So yes, I had a few pictures from this scene, but again, I don't know every little detail.

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And from the beginning, we did not have too many details.

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And almost what, a year and a half later, it feels like we still don't have too many details

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to go on.

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So was it a robbery?

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An attempted kidnapping?

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A gang initiation.

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They have all been part of the public debate over what happened.

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Daniel Brown, managing editor and special projects executive producer for Unfiltered,

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has helped cover the twists and turns.

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In this case, he is joining us now.

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Daniel, it's been a ride the last, what, nearly 15 months.

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Yeah, it's been a case that's definitely stood out.

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We both have seen a lot of crime in that room over the years of us kind of covering the city.

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And this one has stood out from the get go.

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It just, it was something different about this case.

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I think the public felt different about this case as well.

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And it's one of those, I guess the reason it was so different is it's not the fact that

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it only grabbed national and international attention, but it involved a student, a student

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at a prominent well-known recognized national and international university of LSU.

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On the eve of a big SEC football game with Mississippi State, in town at Tiger Stadium.

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So this was kind of on the eve of that game, which I think kind of elevated some of the

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intrigue, some of the public kind of discourse in this, the, the uncomfortableness of this

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crime kind of happening so close to the university on, you know, an NCC football weekend too.

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That's something that I think kind of gets lost, but I think that kind of helped elevate

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the case a little bit.

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Agreed, because you're going to have such so many people in town.

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I mean any big LSU game you're going to have tons of people in town.

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Every hotel is booked up and hotels are not just in the immediate downtown area at that

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point.

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People are flooding out to other areas, be it Airbnb's hotels.

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So it impacts everybody when you're coming in and you have a story or that's made national

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headlines just a week out.

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Yeah, and Allie's murder happened in one of those areas that people go to is near mid-city,

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right?

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So this is for those not familiar with the area.

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It's kind of the entry way into downtown Baton Rouge from mid-city.

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It's just steps away from the, the Garden District, which is a very influential area of

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Baton Rouge.

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You're near two high schools.

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You have Catholic High, which is not far away.

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You have Baton Rouge High, which is also nearby.

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So you have this area of town where this murder happened that's kind of close to all the

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action of where people are going to be.

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It's an area of town where it's not, it's not somewhere where crime is not unexpected.

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There is crime in this area.

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100% I was going to say, but it's also a place.

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You don't want to be caught alone.

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I mean, I'm just going to go ahead and say that.

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I'm a single female.

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I would not be there alone.

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But in her case, she thought she was simply driving home.

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It's not like she was walking or anything, nor was she stopping there.

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She was simply stopped because the train stopped.

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Yeah, and I kind of want to talk through some of the details on that because there's been

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a lot that has been discussed in this case and there's been a lot that still hasn't

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really kind of been out there.

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We know that she was kind of driving on government street going towards downtown, the railroad

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track crossing right there, like I said, right as mid city meets downtown.

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She stopped there.

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She just got her fast food as you were talking about.

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We know that something happened because her car was changing positions, but we don't know

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why.

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We still don't really why.

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And that goes to remember the witness we spoke with.

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That witness pretty much told us that he sat there and watched.

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So he's facing this way, Ali's facing this way, the train is right here.

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The trains either stopped, I think, on the tracks and both vehicles are facing the train.

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But then after the gunshots, the witness turned around and Ali also turned around.

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And that's so many questions about that witness.

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I want to get to you.

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Talk to me a little bit about what we do know.

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So we know that 10 rounds were fired at Ali.

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At least at least 10 rounds.

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We know that her driver's side of the vehicle was kind of riddled with bullets.

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We know the driver's side window was basically shot out as was kind of the front of her vehicle.

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So that's kind of telling you that this was a very violent scene to have that much kind

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of happen.

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It was, and I mean, in talking to our sources, and I guess let me add this, it's been 15

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months, not much more has come out since then.

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So it's not like we can tell you, okay, 15 months later, police are now saying this was

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a robbery or this was something we can't.

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But I will tell you this that through all of our sources, it is not a robbery.

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There are no signs of a robbery because I'm told nothing was missing from the scene.

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This was not an attempted kidnapping.

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No doors were wide open or anything like that.

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It was simply somebody shooting at her vehicle in her vehicle and even hitting her.

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And I can't even sit here and tell you that it was an accidental shot because accidentally

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you don't fire off 10 shots.

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It was very deliberate and that's what sources have said at the beginning.

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It was a very deliberate crime.

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But the question is was she the intended target?

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Was she just wrong place, wrong time?

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Those are some of the questions we still know in this case.

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We don't and I want to add that all of my sources said that everybody is scratching their heads

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that they cannot figure out the why.

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I guess as an officer, as a detective, anybody involved in the case, be it even the investigators

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from the DA's offices, you need to know a why, to kind of proceed with the case.

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Okay, this was the gang initiation.

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Now maybe look at these people.

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This was maybe a robbery.

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Now let's focus this way.

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In this case, I am told over and over and over.

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Everybody is at just at a complete loss as to what happened, well, what happened?

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I believe they know the why.

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And you mentioned the witness.

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There were no cameras in the area.

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So that's been part of the criticism that the city and the veterans police has kind of

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taken on was kind of the lack of crime cameras in this area.

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There were no businesses that had cameras, some of that's kind of changed sense.

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But there was a witness that you talked to that gave you some insight into what happened.

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And I think their perspective is really unique and kind of does provide us with some of

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the, some of the why, not all the why, maybe not even enough to kind of start to solve the

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case.

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It does provide you with some of that why that's so important for investigators.

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I guess let me make sure I set the record straight and say this, I didn't reach out to this

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witness.

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They reached out to us on their own saying that I watched what happened, but I also did

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not know that somebody died.

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They were kind of the opposite end of the railroad track from Allie, right?

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So the trains passing, they're on the facing the opposite end of government.

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She said they're coming out of the government street.

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She's going, I'm sorry, coming out of downtown.

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She's going into downtown the trains passing.

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So they're hearing the shots and they're seeing some of the gunfire, but they just don't

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know exactly why or what's happening.

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They don't.

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And I mean, this person caught a lot of heat that why didn't you call police?

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Why this?

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And it's like the person told me that they just were scared.

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They didn't even know what was going on.

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They heard the gun shots.

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So they automatically turned around and went the opposite direction away from gunfire.

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That this person saw Allie's car also turned around.

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So they just assumed this person's doing the same thing.

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They also heard the gun shots and they turned around and kept going.

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But it was in the morning when he woke up and he heard the news and saw that somebody died

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that he realized something, something's wrong here.

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Did this person talk about, did they see more than one person?

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They did.

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This person was so descriptive.

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They told me that it was two men.

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That they seemed to be in their 20s, about 5, 10, 5, 11 and that they passed both.

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So it was him and his friend.

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His friend got off of work also about 2 o'clock.

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He was trying to go home to drop him off somewhere along Government Street.

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That's why he was, that's the why he was out on Government Street.

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So they're stopped for the train.

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And he said that these two guys kind of passed him, looked a little suspicious.

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One was in a red hoodie and I think the other person was in all black clothing.

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Walks passed and he said they looked at him.

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But I think, when I say I think, I mean the witness said this, that he thinks that they

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didn't mess with him because it was another person in the vehicle.

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So it's two guys in the car.

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And that he believes that they, so what the other reason that I say that the train was

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possibly stopped is he said the two of them jumped through cars to the other side of the

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train.

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And what this witness has said that this alley was by herself in her car.

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So maybe it was a better opportunity.

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And then he hears the gunshots and he turns around.

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He saw that alley's car turned around as well and then stopped.

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So somewhere in between, obviously her vehicle was shot at.

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Maybe she did attempt to turn around and she just...

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We don't know why she had to turn around.

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We don't know if it was because she was tired of waiting for the train or if she saw those

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two people kind of walked towards.

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We don't know that we do know her car was starting to turn though.

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That's it.

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And it turned, but then it stopped there.

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So this part of government street care and we know really well we used to work on government

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street together.

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And it's an area that you're right.

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You don't want to be on late at night.

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It's not one that I would choose to be.

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Sometimes happenstance kind of gets to better.

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But it's not uncommon for this section to have cars at all out of them at all.

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No, not at all.

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It's a very busy street.

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It is, but it's also one of those that like you said, you don't want to be alone.

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Even when we work together.

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You walk your doors.

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You do.

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Your doors are locked.

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Your windows are up.

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When we work together, we always had somebody walk us out.

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Just for safety.

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I'll tell you this.

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What a few weeks ago there was an incident on government street that was about 11,

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11, 30.

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I wasn't allowed to go out by myself to that area because I was just told it's not

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safe.

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It's not safe by yourself.

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I got back about 2 o'clock in the morning and same thing.

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It's just not safe.

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And granted, God knows how many police officers were out there.

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But you just don't know.

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It's one of those that you walk off one block.

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It's like when I lived in New Orleans, I was always told, "Oh, well, you're fine until you

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walk off on one block and all of a sudden you're in a great neighborhood, one block

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off in the wrong neighborhood."

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Never in a hundred years did I think Baton Rouge would become that.

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Sadly, it has become that you can be--

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That's exactly this area too.

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It's exactly this area that describes it perfectly.

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You're fine.

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And then all of a sudden you're not.

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Another part of this case, Kieran, that has gotten lost, especially in the year senses,

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a few weeks after Allie was murdered, there was another murder in the same area a teen

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was killed, which kind of raised the debate even more for the public over whether this

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was part of a gang initiation.

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Police really came out after Allie's murder and saying that it's not gang related, but a

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few weeks later you had another very similar case that really kind of put Baton Rouge on

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edge a little bit about whether this was gangs going out, part of an initiation to get

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in on a killing spree, if you will.

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Yeah.

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And I guess let me also add, remember, Daniel officials for so long said that Baton Rouge

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does not have gangs.

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Yeah, they denied it.

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And then they finally admitted that yes, there are gangs.

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So it's one of those, in this case they said it's not gang initiation, but then on the flip

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side you also at one time said we don't even have any gangs and then pretty much came back

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and said, well actually there are gangs in Baton Rouge.

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Getting of the other incident, so it was on October the 10th of 2022, so what, not even a

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month since Allie Rice was killed.

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And the odd thing is it was just a few blocks from where Allison Rice was killed.

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And this one happened broad daylight.

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It was a Monday, about 1130 in the morning and a teenager was found shot dead.

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And so there's a lot of differences there from Allie's case, but still it hits really close

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from home.

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The other thing that I think people forget was Allie's murder came during a very deadly stretch

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in Baton Rouge history.

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We had years of historic murder rate.

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This was a month where she was one of 11 people murdered September of 22, 11 other people

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killed.

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And in 22 and two alone, there were 114.

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So it was one of the most violent years, one of the most violent months of that year.

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You know, Baton Rouge was ranked one of the 10th most dangerous cities on numerous lists

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because of its consecutive crime rate.

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So that also kind of speaks to where the city was at this time with where the public was

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in wanting answers and honestly not getting them.

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Well, and I guess I want to add Daniel, remember though the numbers we're looking at, the

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one of 11 that Allie was one of 11, that's 11 people who died, there are daily shootings

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that happen in Baton Rouge.

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I mean, sadly there are so many shootings that never get reported.

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That never get reported.

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And in fact, there's no way to report every shooting that happens in Baton Rouge because

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so many shootings happen where someone may not have actually been hit, something may not

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have been hit.

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So it simply goes down a shot's fired.

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You're getting used to it.

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And I think so much of Baton Rouge is starting to get used to it when you're one or two

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shots.

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But when you have so many, I think I remember covering in the same area, a barrage of gunfire.

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And I think it was around the same time frame.

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So yes, people are going to be on edge.

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You have one murder that happens at two in the morning.

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Okay, that's overnight.

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This one, broad daylight, 1130, start of the week on a Monday, barrage of gunfire also,

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broad daylight.

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Yes, people have the right to be worried about their own safety now.

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While his dad said something, I know you spoke with him a lot of many times over the past

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year, but he said something that I think speaks to kind of the tragedy of not only this case,

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but Baton Rouge crime in general.

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He admitted that he was a person who kind of thought Baton Rouge crime really wasn't his

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problem, right?

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They live in Geysmer.

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They obviously traveled to Baton Rouge alley was at LSU, but he said, I was feeling guilty

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like a lot of people saying this would never happen to us.

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This would never happen to our family.

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It can and it will change your life like that.

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What happened to Ali could have happened to anyone.

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It really raises the hair, you know, in your arms because it really can't impact anybody.

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And I think that's why so many people connected with this case.

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Ali was one of a hundred people killed that year, but her name is the one we talk about.

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Remember, there's something to be said about that.

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And I think his that statement just kind of speaks a lot to kind of the state of the city,

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especially at that time.

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Do you remember councilwoman Tara Wicker?

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I do.

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Yeah.

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She made a statement and I remember recovering that council meeting when she said that I

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thought about it.

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And I was like, whoa, she talked about.

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He hit the guy.

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Yes.

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You don't understand the pain until you walk somebody's feet and until your feet get burned,

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you might report on it or you might say, hey, so and so was burned or whatnot.

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And I'm using the words burned like literally on fire, but until your feet actually burn

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and you feel that pain of just being on fire.

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And in all the headlines that we've covered together and separately that we've seen over

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the years, they say that most crime is not random, right?

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That there's either there's a reason, right?

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It's rarely random.

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Yes.

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But in this case, specifically, it feels random and it kind of speaks to kind of the lack

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of motive, the lack of that why there.

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And I think that's also kind of part of the uneasiness with this case.

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It is.

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And I think a lot of people can relate to this.

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I remember the amount of parents reaching out.

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I had parents reaching out from places that had nothing to do with Louisiana.

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Hey, I have a child who goes to LSU or we were thinking about sending our child to LSU

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next semester or whatnot.

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And I think, Grant, all of a sudden you felt like you were a part of this.

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Yeah, and that speaks to crime is not a one neighborhood problem.

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A one-hit code.

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It's not an LSU problem.

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No.

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It's not a downtown Baton Rouge problem.

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It's a Baton Rouge problem.

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And I think it's not LSU's fault that this happened.

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And there's a lot of days to go by where no one's heard or anything bad happens, right?

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But it takes one incident to kind of really change that discourse and that perception, if

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you will, for the public.

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Agreed.

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Agreed.

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Now let's kind of walk through a little bit of the facts in the case.

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So there was no evidence of robbery.

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It didn't appear to be any kind of a tempted kidnap or anything like that.

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Gang violence is still kind of the question mark.

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I still have a question mark by it.

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Police have said it's not gang related.

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You have to trust what they're saying.

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You know, they are telling that very publicly that's not gang related.

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You know, you do have some people behind the scenes saying that that may not be the case.

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We don't know if this was a wrong place, wrong time kind of thing.

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It appears that possibly it was.

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She was just passing through.

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It wasn't like a scheduled kind of stop for.

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There are no cameras in the area.

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And I know that after this, there was a really a big push to add cameras.

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And we found out really quickly that some of those cameras weren't actually even

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working.

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No, I mean, what a few months later, we had the Nathan Mildred case and that went further

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down into downtown that so many of the cameras we found out were just simply there.

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They were fake cameras to make it look like they were real working cameras when they didn't

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even work.

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Phantom cameras is what someone called them to is and that's kind of stuck with me.

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But there are cameras that are just kind of glued to a wall in some cases.

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There's no wires to them.

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Or the cameras that are actually cameras aren't recording.

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So they may actually work.

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But there's no one there to watch it, no one's recording it.

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And this was a problem that a lot of money was spent on supposedly adding these cameras

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that never kind of came to fruition, if you will.

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So there's still some kind of holding the powerful accountable with that because we still

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don't have a lot of these cameras up in some of these areas of town where you really want

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them.

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And you're right.

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In fact, to add to that, do you remember after Ali Rice was killed, they put up what three

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crosses, the family, friends, co-workers put up three crosses and all but the finally the

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last one were stolen or vandalized.

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But that too, nobody could find out why because no cameras were up and the few that were

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up did not work.

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Which that part of the story, some of it got picked up by the national media, but a lot

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of it didn't, right?

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That's really a local story.

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But how does this happen?

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You have to wonder was someone sent in a message by taking those crosses down and you cannot

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not ask that question?

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It's so strange.

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I still remember when I was told that hey, that the cross came down, I'm thinking, what do

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you mean it came down?

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Like, oh, the person who put it up went and took it back down.

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No, it was stolen.

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It was what?

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Okay.

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So the first one is bad enough.

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So they go out, they put it up the second time.

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The second one again is vandalized.

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At that point it was like somebody is seriously trying to send a message.

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One of the things that I would love your perspective on is it took veterans police a little

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while to kind of hold a news conference on it.

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It did happen on a Friday.

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So I think it was a few days after the actual murder when they had their first news conference

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that could be wrong about that.

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But there hasn't been a lot of details released.

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And a part of it you can't really fault police because they're withholding information

471
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,800
to use their own words.

472
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,840
The killer is also listening to this news conference.

473
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,480
So you have to respect the integrity of the investigation.

474
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:41,880
But at the same time, a LSU student in her prime murdered with no suspects, no motive,

475
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,120
really no answers, but all these questions.

476
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,000
There hasn't been that many cases in Baton Rouge and you can chime in and correct me if I'm

477
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
wrong.

478
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,960
Where Baton Rouge police have seen to be so mom and part of it is like were they chasing

479
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,600
leads that we didn't know about.

480
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,360
But you have to wonder why a lot of information hasn't been released or come out in this case.

481
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Well, I guess let me explain this process just a tad bit.

482
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,160
In having the amount of sources that I do have, I'm blessed with them, but so often they'll

483
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,160
tell you things and they ask you, hey, we're telling you things, but you can't repeat

484
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:22,160
some of this because it would disrupt the integrity of the investigation, understood and respected.

485
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,160
In BRPD's defense, this happened at 2 o'clock on Friday morning.

486
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,040
So pulling together a quick press conference, let's just say Friday morning, that's next

487
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,160
day impossible.

488
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Even maybe Friday afternoon, they still don't know what's happening.

489
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,240
They don't know what to say.

490
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,280
They don't know the why.

491
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,600
They don't know what suspect.

492
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
So what are they going to get up there and say?

493
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Okay.

494
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,320
Next to it, then you have a weekend, so Saturday and Sunday.

495
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,880
But by Monday, the public needs to hear from you that we are aware of this something.

496
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,200
Maybe by Tuesday, it was September the 22nd, so almost a whole week later that Baton Ridge

497
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,480
police actually, I say Baton Ridge police, the mayor, the mayor's office ended up holding

498
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400
a safety press conference.

499
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,880
It was not all about alley rice.

500
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,360
It was about safety.

501
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,960
And I do believe that was because of the upper or from the public, like you said, Daniel,

502
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,080
the September 22 was a very deadly month.

503
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,800
And people were just on edge.

504
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,040
They wanted answers.

505
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,040
They needed to hear from their officials.

506
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:35,280
So no, it's not common to just go that long after such a case that's made national headlines.

507
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,160
And there weren't many updates after that news conference that they did have.

508
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,920
We have to also remember this is a case that was picked up by the national media.

509
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600
People magazine covered it really extensively.

510
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Fox News, CNN, NBC, ABC CBS, they all covered it as well.

511
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,400
So this is a story where they're pulling a lot of information from the local affiliates.

512
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,240
But a lot of the national media is also covering this case themselves.

513
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120
They're following up on their own leads.

514
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,160
They had people in Baton Ridge covering the funeral and trying to get information.

515
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:16,000
So this was elevated and to be quite honest, the mayor was almost forced to do this news

516
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
conference.

517
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Someone needed to talk.

518
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000
I was going to say that was on edge at this time.

519
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Not only was Baton Ridge on edge, but I remember going and covering that press conference,

520
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
it was very heated at times, very heated.

521
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
They didn't want to answer the questions.

522
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,400
It was one of those that they wanted to get up there, say what they wanted to say and

523
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,400
be done.

524
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,480
That's it.

525
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,480
And crime has continued since.

526
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Numbers are down for 23 compared to 22, which is definitely a good thing.

527
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,880
But I think any public official will tell you one murders too many.

528
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,760
And Alley's case is also interesting because it's one of the few unsolved cases of 22.

529
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,080
There's still a few others.

530
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,600
But most of these cases, you have a suspect.

531
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,520
It's moving through the criminal justice system.

532
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,560
These may not have the closure, but they have more closure than Alley's family because they

533
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,600
at least have someone to blame or sort of hope.

534
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,600
They have hope.

535
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,600
Yes.

536
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,600
In this case, you don't have that.

537
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,680
And you spoke to her father several times over the past year.

538
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680
Multiple times.

539
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,080
And it's not just her father, her stepmom, her mom, her aunt.

540
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,360
And it's tough.

541
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,080
It's not just this family.

542
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Unfortunately, the bad part about this job is I do come across so many families of victims,

543
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,760
of people who have lost loved ones.

544
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,440
And it's just you see the struggle they go through waking up is a struggle.

545
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Going through the motions of the day is a struggle.

546
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,440
But then when it comes to the holidays, there's that empty seat.

547
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,240
There's that person who should be laughing and being the goofball of the family and you're

548
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,240
missing them.

549
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,040
It's not like her and the group.

550
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Yeah, seriously.

551
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,240
It's not like they're in their room and you can call them and say, come out.

552
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,240
It's a struggle.

553
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,480
And sadly, this case has gone cold.

554
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,880
It's been 15 months.

555
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:20,960
This case has gone cold.

556
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Here we talked a little bit about how there is a lack of evidence and there has been

584
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,760
a lot of time since the actual case happened to kind of where we were to get today.

585
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,120
In cases of a cold, there is a lot of questions about the integrity of the case and how these

586
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,640
things move forward.

587
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,240
One person that has a lot of perspective on that is a retired Patent's Police Officer,

588
00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:00,280
a former homicide detective worked in the cold case unit, John Dothier.

589
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,840
He's not tied to the case.

590
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,800
He hasn't been part of this case, but he can give us some perspective on cold cases in general,

591
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,760
specifically related to some of the evidence in this case.

592
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,280
What is a little bit about why cases this long, why there is such a challenge with having

593
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,080
them solved?

594
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,840
It's just like anything.

595
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:28,720
As time passes, as leads grow, after you exhaust your investigative leads and you've processed

596
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,520
your evidence and you've talked to the known witnesses and you've knocked on every door,

597
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,000
you've reviewed every video camera.

598
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
It becomes what we call cold.

599
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Oftentimes I'm asked, at what point, how long does it take a case to go cold?

600
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,320
That's probably the most common question when people talk to me about cold cases.

601
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,720
I'm here to tell you that it's my opinion that there is not a time limit.

602
00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:00,680
Most departments, and I know at one point the Patent's Police Department used to have a

603
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,920
six-month time limit.

604
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,880
That was just a minimum standard, if you will, for.

605
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,080
We're not going to consider a case cold until six months has passed without a resolution.

606
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Some departments, I know you use a year or more, but actually a case is cold when the investigative

607
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,760
leads have been exhausted and there's no clear investigative path forward.

608
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,960
At that point, the case becomes cold and it's generally put into an inactive status.

609
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,240
Well, and John, I guess one of the biggest questions I have is that you worked in homicides as

610
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,760
well, then you also work specifically in cold cases.

611
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,960
How do you revive a case that has gone cold?

612
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Well, hopefully you revive it because new information has come forward, whether that be a witness

613
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:03,320
or a piece of forensic evidence that has either been missed and found or some new scientific

614
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,120
technique has come along that allows you to further the value of that evidence.

615
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:15,360
At that point, you pull the case out of the drawer metaphorically and you pick up where

616
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,360
you left off.

617
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,920
Or in some cases, you might start from the beginning.

618
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,880
It really just depends on the nature of the new evidence that causes you to revive it.

619
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:32,120
How often is it that cases that may have gone a year plus without any new information?

620
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,280
How often is it that you would get information on a case like that?

621
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Well, statistically speaking, when a case is a year old or more, the solvability factor,

622
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,440
if you will, is greatly reduced.

623
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,640
I don't think I can say that enough.

624
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,240
I'm not sure exactly what the rate of solving a case that is more than a year old, but

625
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,600
it's incredibly low.

626
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,960
It's generally uncommon.

627
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:05,120
And John, in your time when you were in cold case, I remember covering a case that was what?

628
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,760
30 plus years later, DAD, it was because DNA evolved and that's how they were able to link

629
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,760
a suspect.

630
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Well, in this case, I mean, this was 15 months ago.

631
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Do you think in your opinion, something's going to come up here that will provide this

632
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,560
case?

633
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,960
Well, it's quite possible.

634
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,520
So in a case like this, in the case that you're referring to, I'm pretty familiar with

635
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:35,240
because I was involved in it, that case was from physical evidence standpoint dramatically

636
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,440
at 180 degrees different than Miss Rice's case.

637
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,560
In her case, unfortunately, we had the body, we had the car, we had the shell casings as

638
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,320
I understand it.

639
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,800
And there's no question that the shell casings were put through the firearms analysis unit.

640
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,100
They can tell if they ever get the gun that fired those bullets, this is the gun that fired

641
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,420
those bullets.

642
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:05,720
There's no doubt that they did DNA testing on the shell casings, probably on the exterior

643
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,480
of the car anywhere that the suspect may have touched.

644
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,760
Maybe if they believe that the suspect reached inside the car or anything.

645
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:23,080
So in this particular case, it seems to me that all the testing, that scientific testing

646
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,960
that can be done has been done.

647
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Clearly, they either, they clearly probably don't have the weapon that fired the rounds or

648
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,640
the weapons.

649
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,760
And they either don't have a DNA profile or they have a DNA profile that doesn't match to

650
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,000
anyone in the codeus database.

651
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:56,520
So I'm not so sure what technological advances in the future might come along to, you know,

652
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,640
that might change it to give them a viable path forward.

653
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,440
It seems to me that in her particular case, or at least from what I know, which is probably

654
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,400
not more than the average person knows.

655
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:17,600
At this point, you really probably are praying for an eyewitness or a codependent or someone

656
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,960
who can point you to a suspect because they have knowledge of it.

657
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:30,580
It just seems, unfortunately, that based upon what I know that the chances at this point

658
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:32,480
are pretty grim.

659
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,780
And John, there was an eyewitness in this case, and we spoke with them, we spoke with this

660
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:41,960
person, they were on the opposite end of the train tracks as Ali, so kind of facing the

661
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,900
opposite direction as that train was kind of stopped on the tracks.

662
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:51,340
We know from our reporting, based on what that eyewitness told us that having trouble

663
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:55,620
kind of getting to talk to Baton Rouge Police, when you have a witness like this who kind

664
00:41:55,620 --> 00:42:01,660
of saw the crime, but, you know, had an obstructed view, how does that kind of factor into the

665
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:02,660
investigation?

666
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:10,340
Well, it's, you know, an eyewitness to a crime, what you're hoping is that this person can

667
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:17,300
identify the person who did it either because they know them or because they saw enough physical

668
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:21,500
characteristics of this person so that they could identify them generally from a photographic

669
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,700
line up.

670
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:26,620
And I mean, that's what you're hoping for an eyewitness.

671
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:35,340
And if they have an eyewitness and there's not an arrest, either that eyewitness was not credible

672
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:41,980
or they weren't able to provide enough information to give an identification that, you know, identify

673
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:43,380
someone specifically.

674
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:47,460
And I know you mentioned the other side that aspect of this is as far as eyewitnesses go

675
00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:49,820
and you mentioned this was the cameras.

676
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:52,580
We discussed this, there were no cameras in this area.

677
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:56,300
So you have an eyewitness who may not have seen enough to give you information.

678
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:57,300
You don't have any cameras.

679
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:02,500
I mean, talk to us about if you were on this case and you were working this case, like where

680
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:03,500
do you go from here?

681
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,900
You have these shell casings and you may not have a match to the gun and then you have an eyewitness

682
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:08,900
who doesn't see anything.

683
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:09,900
You have these crime cameras.

684
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:10,900
So where do you go from here?

685
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,620
Like what would be like the logical kind of next step?

686
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:19,620
When you talk about cameras, you're always hoping that you have a camera that actually

687
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:21,460
called the crime occurring, right?

688
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:23,180
Well, it goes beyond that.

689
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:26,620
I mean, you might step out and I'm sure they've done this, okay?

690
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:29,900
I know these guys and their professionals and their thorough.

691
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:31,340
I know them.

692
00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:36,420
But you step and you go out another block or another block or a third block away and you

693
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:42,940
start looking for videos that might show, you know, possible suspects walking or a suspicious

694
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:46,300
car that's going into the area.

695
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,940
And so it's not just cameras that are focused exactly where it happened.

696
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:58,020
You branch out and you look for these cameras in the area that might lead you back to a possible

697
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:59,180
suspect.

698
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:03,580
But I think that once you've done that and you've exhausted, you've knocked on every door.

699
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:08,940
You've checked every house in a three, four, five, whatever block area that the investigators

700
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:10,980
deemed irrelevant.

701
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:13,300
You've processed your physical evidence.

702
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,020
You've worked in fornance on the streets.

703
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:18,540
You've done all of that, that police work.

704
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:24,340
This is where you unfortunately end up is this is why we call it cold because we've done

705
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:29,500
everything and there's nothing, nothing's hot anymore and nothing's giving us a lead

706
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:33,940
and that we refer to it as a cold and it, unfortunately, it seems like that's where this

707
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:35,140
case is.

708
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:43,100
Well, and having worked in cold cases, John, you have dealt with the families of these

709
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,180
loved ones who are no longer alive.

710
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:51,220
I guess if you can put that in words for us that I don't know if the question is what

711
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:56,780
do they go through but how difficult is it when their loved ones case is the one that's

712
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:57,780
gone cold?

713
00:44:57,780 --> 00:45:04,460
Well, imagine that you're worried about a situation at work and it's bugging you.

714
00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:07,460
You might be getting laid off.

715
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:13,140
Maybe you have a friend who's going through a tough time and it's playing on you and it bothers

716
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:17,500
you because your friend is going through something and that stays with you all day every day.

717
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:24,500
Now multiply that times a billion and you can begin to have some understanding of the

718
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:28,300
nightmare that these folks are living day in and day out.

719
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:31,780
It's the last thing on their mind when they lay their head down at night is the first thing

720
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:32,780
when they wake up.

721
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:33,780
They're consumed with it.

722
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:35,340
They all are.

723
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:46,900
Understandably so and once, unfortunately, they hear that a case is cold and imagine the

724
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:52,140
gut punch that is, right?

725
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:59,900
The sad truth of the matter is the department itself, if we talk about the boundaries of police

726
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,980
department, this isn't a criticism, it's just a statement of fact.

727
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:05,460
There is severely understaffed department.

728
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:10,460
It's my understanding that this particular homicide division has anywhere from 10 to 12

729
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:16,380
detectives that are assigned to work, homicides.

730
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:21,820
That is a horrifically low number for the caseload that they have.

731
00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:27,580
When I first started homicide many moons ago, we had 14 detectives and we were averaging

732
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:30,820
about 60 homicides per year at that time.

733
00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:35,340
You know the numbers now are 90, 100 or above.

734
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:40,060
If you divide that by, let's just use the lower number just because it's easy to, let's

735
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:45,660
say there's 100 murders in a year in a particular given year and you have 10 homicide detectives.

736
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:50,460
That's 10 cases apiece that they are lead investigator on.

737
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:57,660
The FBI recommended maximum caseload for a homicide detective is four cases that they're

738
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:00,420
ready to lead investigators on.

739
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:09,820
Right there you can stop and see that another part of this scenario is that we talk about

740
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:13,620
co-cases and what we do and how we move them forward.

741
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:18,060
The first thing you have to have is a person who does that.

742
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:23,140
Back when I was the department's co-case detective, I was the only one but at least there was

743
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:24,900
someone dedicated to it.

744
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,980
They don't have that now.

745
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:32,820
There is not a co-case division and I don't know if people realize or understand the significance

746
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:34,060
of that.

747
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:39,260
These guys are going from case to case to case to case to case and not only that, how many

748
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:43,260
shootings have we had that are life threatening that are assigned to the homicide division,

749
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:45,900
not to mention suicides.

750
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:50,900
Any deaths that occur inside the city that have, they're not just homicide detectives, they're

751
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:52,700
death investigators.

752
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:57,700
The fentanyl overdoses, the over, I mean my goodness, I can't tell you exactly how many

753
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:06,180
it was per year but I think we had 15 or 20 per year if memory serves a couple of hundred

754
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:08,940
per year now or between a hundred and two hundred.

755
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:18,020
This workload that is added on to these guys, the unfortunate reality is how do they, there's

756
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:21,020
just not enough time in a day.

757
00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:28,100
The side reality for a family that's waiting for an answer and they hear that there's no

758
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:31,580
one who's sitting around with no time in their hands.

759
00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:34,540
It says, let me go reopen this file and let me just start over.

760
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:35,700
Let me see what we missed.

761
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,180
I'm not saying that they missed anything.

762
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:41,940
But there's just, there just aren't the resources in this department to do that.

763
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:47,560
Now if they get a phone call, they get an email from the crime lab or anything, they'll

764
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,680
drop what they're doing and pick it up and go after it.

765
00:48:51,680 --> 00:49:01,040
After a certain point, it's really waiting for this next tip to come in because you just

766
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:07,000
don't have the time, the manpower, you don't have resources dedicated to reviewing co-cases

767
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,880
just to see what the previous investigators might have missed.

768
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,320
I say all of that to say it's, unfortunately it's a grim outlook.

769
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:23,760
If you're a family member, waiting for resolution to a case, how do you, with those numbers,

770
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,280
how do you prioritize?

771
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,000
If you're having an estimated 10 cases you're working, you're supposed to have four, how

772
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,240
do you prioritize some of those cases?

773
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,640
What just happened in the last 10 minutes?

774
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,640
That's what I've got to deal with.

775
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,720
I've got to deal with what just happened in the last 10 minutes.

776
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:49,360
Then once you get that caught up to a certain point, if you've got something that you were

777
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,520
about to do on the case that you had yesterday, maybe you can go and pursue that now.

778
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,720
But it's a great question.

779
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,720
How do they do it?

780
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:03,520
I have no idea how these guys in this division are clearing any cases and they are.

781
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,040
Those guys, I have said this before, those homicide detectives, they're heroes.

782
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,040
My God, the fact that they're accomplishing anything with their workload, to me is just

783
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,640
something I can't fathom because I didn't have to deal with that workload when I was

784
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,640
there.

785
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,800
I don't know how they're doing it.

786
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,160
We don't have exact numbers on the number of cool cases from that year.

787
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,720
We do know most of the crimes, the murders from that year have been solved.

788
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,560
It's something we've talked about earlier.

789
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,560
Most of the crimes have been solved.

790
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,320
So your point could have said them.

791
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,000
I guess my other question before we get back to Ali specific questions, this came up

792
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,160
during the Nathan and Lauren investigation.

793
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:45,240
At what point do you seek outside help, a first set of eyes?

794
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:50,120
A lot of police officers that we've talked to is they don't want to do that.

795
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,520
It's a pride thing.

796
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,000
At what point do you say, "Hey, Louisiana State Police" or FBI or someone else, step in and

797
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,560
review the case, give us a first set of eyes, maybe see if there's something we miss.

798
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Do you do that?

799
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,480
Is there a standard to do that?

800
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,240
Or is that not standard practice?

801
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:15,080
Well, so keep in mind that there is something called the Violent Crime Unit in Batmuruge.

802
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,540
There is an actual office in the State Police headquarters and it encompasses Batmuruge

803
00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:22,720
Police Department, Sheriff's Office.

804
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,960
State Police has folks up there, ATF has people up there.

805
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,680
I'm not sure if it's for us.

806
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,680
That's Marshall's task force.

807
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,280
Yeah, the Marshall's task force.

808
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:40,440
The idea is that these guys, all being in the same room, almost literally, share these cases.

809
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:48,880
But the reality is, is that the Sheriff's Office is busy as well and the Marshall's task force

810
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,840
is busy as well, the State Police, etc., etc.

811
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,280
How much sharing goes on, I don't know.

812
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,120
I can't speak to it today.

813
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:06,160
But they have a good situation to set up that if they need some additional help, they can

814
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,960
walk across the hall and ask for it.

815
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,520
But I can tell you from first hand experience as a routine basis, Sheriff's Office is working

816
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,640
their cases, Police Department is working their cases, and it just kind of, you just kind

817
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,800
of stick with your own.

818
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,440
So as a routine basis to stop and say, "Hey, I want to turn this over to another agency

819
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,520
to look at," it's been my experience that almost never happens.

820
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:35,360
And I know like when it comes to a different agency picking it up, in Nathan Mallard's case,

821
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,280
his family wanted for State Police to take it from Baton Ridge Police, but the way State

822
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,360
Police explained it or any agency has explained it is that the other Police Department must

823
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,680
request you take over.

824
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:52,200
A family can't come and say that, like, BRPD would have to ask State Police you take over

825
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,760
the investigation, correct?

826
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,880
Yeah, I mean, it's a jurisdictional thing.

827
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,360
It's nothing to say that State Police legally can't, I guess, go to court or whatever the

828
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:08,240
steps would be to take a case from another agency, force it off of their hands.

829
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,640
I don't remember that ever happening.

830
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,120
So I understand the family saying, "Well, this agency isn't doing anything for me.

831
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,600
I want this other agency to do it.

832
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,720
I mean, I've heard that a number of times.

833
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:21,760
I can't remember a single time that's ever happened.

834
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,560
Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly don't remember it."

835
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,560
And I guess...

836
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:32,680
And let me add, in being in conversations with the Rice family, Mr. Paula Rice, they have

837
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,880
full faith in Baton Ridge Police detectives.

838
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,320
Of course, it's a father who every single day is his daughter is not there.

839
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,680
His baby girl is not there.

840
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Yes, you have to accept that reality, but he's never told me that he has lost faith within

841
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,600
BRPD officers.

842
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,040
And I guess I just want to make sure I put that out there.

843
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,840
Yeah, I mean, I can't blame him.

844
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,560
I mean, the Baton Ridge Police Department homicide detectives is one of the finest homicide

845
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,800
divisions in the country as far as I'm concerned.

846
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,960
So he has every...

847
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,920
He's absolutely right to not lose faith in them.

848
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:14,480
I think he's got as good a group of guys looking at his daughter's cases he possibly can have,

849
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:22,000
but you just have to keep in mind, workload, the passage of time and the realities of a

850
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,160
case that's a year or more old, but that doesn't...

851
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,240
That's not necessarily a reflection on the detectives.

852
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,240
It just isn't.

853
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:36,200
It's the unfortunate reality of cases that go cold every day.

854
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:45,360
And they just don't all go on as much public attention, but this is a tragic routine set of

855
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:51,720
events that happens dozens of times a year in the city of Baton Ridge.

856
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:57,280
And John, I guess my last question for you, there's been a lot of focus on this case in whether

857
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,240
this was gang related or workings involved.

858
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:06,480
I know police came out a few days after Al is murder and said that they didn't believe

859
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,240
it was gang related, but you have to imagine that's still part of the investigation and still

860
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,640
part of what detectives are looking like.

861
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,040
So what would that involve?

862
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Like how...

863
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,160
To kind of rule that out or to kind of consider that...

864
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,000
What would be involved with that?

865
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,680
I mean, the first thing I think when you...

866
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,360
To rule that out is you go with statistics, okay?

867
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,000
So there are always these urban legends that, you know, it's a gang initiation night if

868
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,920
someone's got their bright lights on, don't flash them, they're gonna...

869
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:42,880
And you hear all these tales that there's, you know, it's gang related.

870
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,200
Well maybe these...

871
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,880
The suspect or the suspects, maybe they are part of a gang.

872
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,480
I don't know.

873
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:57,640
But the statistically speaking, this wasn't anything probably more than an attempted robbery

874
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,760
from what I've heard from when I've read.

875
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,360
They wanted her car or they wanted something she had.

876
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,480
And if they're in a gang, maybe, but maybe it's a normal gang activity to go out and steal

877
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,480
cars.

878
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,880
But as far as, you know, anything more fascinating than that, I doubt it.

879
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,440
Well, that's interesting you say that because all my sources have always said that there were

880
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,720
no signs of any robberies, attempted robberies or anything along those lines.

881
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:33,000
Yeah, and so again, going back to the beginning where I said, you know, I have no knowledge

882
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,720
or involvement in this case.

883
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,440
I'm just going off of everything that I've seen in the media reports.

884
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,280
And to me, logically, it probably wasn't had anything to do.

885
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:54,520
It was with a gang, but why would someone walk up to a car and just shoot someone just to

886
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,320
kill them?

887
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:02,720
In my experience, I would think it'd be much more logical that maybe they wanted her car

888
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,120
and she tried to leave and then they fired shots.

889
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,760
But again, I'm speculating.

890
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,760
But otherwise, what was the purpose?

891
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,640
I mean, are we really going to consider?

892
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,800
I guess I'm sure it's possible that they just wanted to hurt someone that night with no

893
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,480
other criminal intent in mind, but I just, I doubt that.

894
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:30,000
But that's just my opinion from a removed viewer standpoint.

895
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,640
And I guess that is the million dollar question, a question that we've been discussing this,

896
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,760
this episode, the why.

897
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,360
We wish we had an answer and it sounds like there is no answer as of right now.

898
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Hopefully, eventually, there will become an answer.

899
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:58,760
And it's why this case, unfortunately, has gone cold.

900
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,760
How is legacy hasn't gone cold?

901
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,720
How is legacy is not gone cold.

902
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,280
In fact, I wear yellow today because her color was yellow, her, the theme, the live like

903
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,760
alley, there is a sun because she was so bright and it became yellow.

904
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,600
And that's even why I wear yellow.

905
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,320
And no, her legacy will always shine.

906
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,120
And I love that the family and her friend said that they chose to live like alley because

907
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,800
they wanted people to, you know, be that friend like she was, staying with her friend who

908
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,800
was closing up late at night waiting for them to get all for it, saying, have to leave alone.

909
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,400
They wanted them to be that positive, you know, force in someone's life, be that energetic

910
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,400
person.

911
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,840
You know, you know, you talked to a lot of people that knew her and they just talk about

912
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,360
how much she lit up a room.

913
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:51,720
And I think that that live like alley really kind of speaks to the legacy that she did, unfortunately,

914
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,520
leave behind agreed.

915
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,520
It resonates.

916
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,000
Case is still open.

917
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,680
Still looking for information on this case.

918
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Still hoping for that it just takes one, one tip, one, you know, call that, you know, could

919
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:11,240
change everything for police and investigators and the family and they're still hoping for

920
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,440
that one call.

921
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,440
And that, that award is still out there.

922
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,440
Daniel reward.

923
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,440
$55,000.

924
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,440
$55,000.

925
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,880
I mean, that's a lot.

926
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,040
That's a big number.

927
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,040
That's a very big number and that that can be good and bad.

928
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,800
I guess like, let me explain this too.

929
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,680
So during the direct toddler case, the same thing.

930
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,840
They needed to get this person off the street.

931
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:39,000
I mean, you had multiple women showing up turning up dead all through the area.

932
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,600
So it was, hey, we need the public's help, but the description was a white truck in Livingston

933
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Parish.

934
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,480
Everybody has a white truck in Livingston Parish.

935
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:53,720
But with the reward so high, you had officers chasing tips almost every five minutes of, oh,

936
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,920
it's all white truck in Livingston.

937
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,320
I saw another one.

938
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,560
Instead of following the main lead that they probably should have been following, they

939
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,920
were too busy following other.

940
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Other leads because the reward was so high.

941
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,480
In this case, same thing.

942
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,840
It's $55,000, but sadly, I don't think many tips have come in.

943
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,600
If people do have tips, they can call crime stoppers.

944
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,600
You can.

945
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,440
I really want to get that number out for anybody that may be listening, the housing information

946
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,560
that like the other witness may be scared, but it's easy number to remember.

947
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,200
It's 3, 4, 4, stop.

948
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:34,520
3, 4, 4, 7, 8, 6, 7, and you can remain anonymous.

949
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Yeah, 2, 2, 5, EricOd, you can remain anonymous.

950
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,000
You know, you don't have to give your name.

951
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,760
You can just kind of leave that tip.

952
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,440
It's a good program and crime stoppers is a great program in this city.

953
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:53,000
One of the more successful ones in Batroog and they've developed to evolve, should I say

954
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,720
now, to where you don't want to make a phone call.

955
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,400
Maybe you're worried about your voice or something.

956
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,400
You can go online.

957
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,880
You can now submit a tip online.

958
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,280
It's all anonymous.

959
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:11,360
So if you know something, say something, you don't know that pain you could be responsible

960
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,120
for easing.

961
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,160
On behalf of the entire Louisiana unfiltered team, I'm Karen Chauhla.

962
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:29,160
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