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unremarkable high school student's unremarkable life.

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She feels more like a less like a person and more like a feeling of depression.

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I mean people were definitely actively farting at my dinner table.

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Are you a high school student and you want a book that gives you no hope about your life

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for your future?

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Here you go.

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I'm sorry, but nobody under the age of 22 needs Tom's for pizza.

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Well, Sarah was homecoming queen.

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And Sabrina was valedictorian.

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So I guess take all these perspectives.

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Hello everyone and welcome back to me in book club.

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This week we read Prep by Curtis Sitonfeld.

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Oh my god.

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Curtis is back.

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Curtis back again.

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Is she here for the three Pete?

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This is our first three Pete author ever.

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Wow.

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Congratulations.

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Or whatever it means for you.

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I got to tell you I told some co-workers that I was reading it and I explained the premise

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of the podcast and they were like, you're just reading a lot of this person's books and

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giving them a lot of support.

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Look, I feel like I have different feelings about this than I did in the other books.

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Like very different feelings I would say, but it is interesting.

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There are a lot of there are other authors we could have done three books of.

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I still I think it's a compliment.

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I don't know.

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I feel like it's actually a personal attack at this point.

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I would be.

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I'd like to hear from Curtis anyway.

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As always, we are mean book club.

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We read New York Times bestsellers that you take, you know, should they be?

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I'm one of your hosts Sarah Burton.

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I'm one of your hosts, John is Graybess.

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I'm one of your hosts Sabrina B. Jordan.

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I felt that it just felt like you were just mocking me both of you.

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I was actually trying to be in sync with you so that our friendship would grow even more.

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You would be like, we're just the same.

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We're the same person.

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Did you learn that from this book?

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Okay, okay, yeah, okay.

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I read that right.

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We're not joined by Clara yet, but she is going to join us in a little bit and she did do the

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outline.

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So in a way, you're going to hear her voice through us.

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Yes, that's it.

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That's a good way to put it.

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We'll see what she did or did not do too.

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Which you now, I'll see.

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When she sent me the outline, I don't know if this happened to all of you, but Google

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really wants me to report her email spam.

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Oh, I made it do.

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I did it that too.

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I thought that was odd.

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I was like, isn't this someone I've emailed with many a time?

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Wait, that's really weird.

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What's the thing?

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Google know that we don't.

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I don't know.

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For all of us to have it be marked as spam, something's up.

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What's she getting red banner?

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And speaking of which, I do already see some things that are missing from this outline,

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but we also should mention she's been sick all week.

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We got it where we roll with the punches and that was a punch.

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And I'm going to tell you guys who recommended this book because we listened to you guys for

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this.

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And this one came from our patron, Saraj Gorka.

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I'm going to butcher it.

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I'm so sorry.

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Saraj Gorkanti.

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How about Saraj?

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Did I do the job?

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Saraj.

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With of just initial or just the first thing.

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I felt like the first name was hard too.

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So might as well just go all in.

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Saraj.

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And this is what he wrote.

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He said, Hey, my name is Saraj.

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Long time listener, first time patron.

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And I have loved hearing.

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You all read books that I either hate or love, hate to love or love to hate.

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You've helped me get through this last year.

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Ish of my PhD in biology.

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Humbul brag.

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Every time I think about the books that you should read.

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And boy, do I have a doozy?

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Please read, prep by Curtis Sitonfeld, one of your faves.

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I confirmed New York Times of a seller, number 11 in a hardcover fiction.

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Thank you.

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About a girl from the Midwest going to an elite boarding prep school in the Northeast

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with some of the craziest names students you'll ever come across.

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I ended up reading this book this summer before I went to my boarding school and thought,

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is this what life is going to be like in high school?

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Yikes.

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And it was surprisingly, it had many similarities.

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But let me know what you think and if you're down to play a little game, I can send along

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some names of people I went to prep school with and you can decide if they're really not.

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Can't wait to listen.

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We really messed up.

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We did it.

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Let's do it for the Patreon.

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Let's get in touch.

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We'll get in touch and on Patreon or we can add to the end of the episode.

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We'll see.

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She's going to email Blake right now, so we don't forget about it.

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She says, "Can't wait to continue listening and for the grand return of Sabrina my optimistic

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queer icon."

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Oh my God.

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I think Sabrina's got enough praise this season.

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You want to start editing that?

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I am sick of the emails and the little comments on the five star reviews that are like,

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"By the way, like, have Miss Sabrina, but I'm sure she's just becoming a more optimistic,

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powerful icon in Queen."

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Yes, Queen.

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We can't hear her voice, but we love her more for it.

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It's like, some of us are recording the podcast.

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We would love compliments, too.

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Wow.

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Maybe you'd like to hear a little bit less what they said.

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I'm just doing a sweet question.

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Because I know there are.

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You would, based on your comments about me.

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Look, all right.

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You know what?

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I guess we have to tease them with the faves.

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I don't know what to say.

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So how did you guys read this book?

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I did read it.

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Well, I'll be honest.

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Sarah bought us all on both subscriptions.

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That sounds like I was treating you.

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It was with, from our patron, we're finally utilizing what our patrons have been donating.

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Yeah, just so you all know, we've just let it build up in an account and didn't really

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understand how to spend it.

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Now we are reinvesting you.

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Maybe we should use this to purchase the books that we're reading for the podcast.

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The ease, just to, I click a button and the book is ready for me to listen to.

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It was really a great experience.

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I mean, nothing about the book, but the relaxed pace.

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There was no rush.

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Yeah, I guess I did do audibles as well, Sabrina.

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So I did too, but I just want everyone to know what my journey was, which is Sarah did

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benevolently give us these audibles subscriptions so that we could listen to them, but I still

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requested the whole season of books at the library.

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I did too.

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Just in case, I could get them for free in time.

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And I was number two on the waiting list for this book.

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And I was like, okay, got a hold out, got a hold out.

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And I was like, I should stop holding out and I caved, but I didn't, I don't know.

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It was, it was a very trying experience because audibles not cheap.

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Like you have the subscription, you pay $15 a month and you get one book.

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I had the same thing where I was so close in my library line for it.

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And I swear to God, the next day it was like, oh, now it's available and you're like, great.

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Well, you know, fuck me.

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My situation did pan out.

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I bought it and I would not have received it in time.

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I'm happy.

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So well, at least there's that.

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At least there's that.

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You guys know that I'm blackboard from the library right now because I have a couple

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over-do books, one of which I do want to talk about it at the end of the cast.

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And then, you know, I'm going to have your over-do books.

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We'll put a pit in that.

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It's time for Clara classes it up and I just scrolled down to see the summer she wrote and

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boy, oh boy.

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That's our strategy.

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Strap in.

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Oh my God.

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Should I assign parts?

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I guess.

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I'll take, go every other word.

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I was going to say I'll take the middle seven words.

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We're going to count and set.

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I think we should just go every other word.

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Johnisera Sabrina.

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I am.

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Johnisera's okay.

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Got it.

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The summary of prep by Curtis Suttonfeld.

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I actually added that.

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That's not written.

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So that doesn't count.

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Leave is middle class and go to boarding school and is obsessed with the

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kids watching the dollar that that's and we have to hear her inner monologue for hours

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and hours.

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I feel like.

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And Clara is going to hate that.

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I'm just going to say one more time for.

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Lee is a middle class.

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I already fucked it up.

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Lee is middle class and goes to boarding school and is obsessed with watching the popular kids

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and we have to hear her inner monologue for hours and hours.

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I think we can tell very clearly what she thought about it.

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Uh huh.

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I was, I mean, it is accurate in terms of especially the criticisms of this book.

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I did think of it.

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It's like, oh, because you think it's prep school, it's like prep school, which is usually

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like juicy.

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Like we, you know, you, you, whoo.

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What's that going to be?

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Who's, what's the sauciness?

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What are these rich kids doing?

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And it's like, no, what if, to me, it felt like it was like, oh, what if I wrote about prep

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school from the perspective of the wallpaper?

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And it was just, it felt like, Jesus Christ.

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Like, yeah, I get you see everything, but like, it's wallpaper that's self hating too.

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I guess self hating wallpaper.

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Without a spark of personality, it's like white wallpaper.

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It's like, why don't we just paint the wall white if we were just going to put up the white

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wallpaper?

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The other problem I think is that one of the best coming of age, uh, young adult books ever

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written, I, in my opinion, is about boarding school and it's a separate piece.

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If you guys, I'm sure you have to read it.

261
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Oh, you're excited to throw in hold and call field, but no.

262
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No, I mean, that's a good, that's a fine one.

263
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But a separate piece like is among my favorite books to this day.

264
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It's so engaging.

265
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I don't remember what happens in that book.

266
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I know I read it.

267
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I mean, but what happens?

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Jouncy is bone marrow.

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And it causes finny to fall out of the tree because Jean's jealous of finny.

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Is that what we're sure?

271
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I don't.

272
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I really don't remember what I, I can't believe you don't remember Jean joust the limb.

273
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And it was every like 13 year old's introduction to the word joust.

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No, I wasn't called field to help me.

275
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I, I, that was more affecting probably because he cursed so much.

276
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I sure.

277
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And their prostitutes, it probably that one stuck with me more.

278
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Um, can't, but, uh, anyway, okay.

279
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So it's, yes, you're right.

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It is, it is a, I mean, you could say it's a trope like it is, there's expectation set

281
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when you're going to write about a prep school because you have, uh, yeah, there's, so let's,

282
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let's, before we dive too deep into this, because we're, I know we're already chomping at

283
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the bit.

284
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Let's just go quick over author in the book.

285
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Um, again, this, we've talked about the author a lot.

286
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And, um, so I don't think we need to go too deep into her, but as a refresher, she's boarded

287
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in 1975.

288
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Um, we've done two of her books in the past, Rodham and Romantic comedy.

289
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Uh, she went to Vassar and Stanford and MFA, Iowa as anybody who can write, you know, went

290
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there, um, blah, blah, blah, blah.

291
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It's John as jugs.

292
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I got skipped.

293
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You're right.

294
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You're right.

295
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You're right.

296
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You're right.

297
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You're right.

298
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You're interrupting.

299
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You know what?

300
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Yeah.

301
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Sure.

302
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Go ahead.

303
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Okay.

304
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I'm going to give you two wrecks, okay?

305
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Um, and both are going to be non-alcoholic because, uh, guess what?

306
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Main character is not fun and she does not drink in high school.

307
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No, don't drink in high school.

308
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Um, so number one, drinks, appear with this book, Water, Cold Glass of Water.

309
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Um, there is nothing like water to match up with the personality of this main character.

310
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I, yeah.

311
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I, yeah.

312
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Tastesless and boring.

313
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I would say room temperature water.

314
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Yeah.

315
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And I would, the other thing I would change is that you're expecting to sip some sprite.

316
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You're expecting something else when you take the sip, but then when you get is room temperature

317
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water, that's what I would say.

318
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Wow.

319
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Yeah.

320
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Yeah.

321
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Yeah.

322
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Yeah.

323
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I will say room temperature water is the best like temperature for water, but, um,

324
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so I'm a little confused there.

325
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I, but cold is the best temperature for a water.

326
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I, I, I, I, yeah.

327
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I think they're, um, I, yeah.

328
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Yeah, I think they're, I understand the disagreement.

329
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I feel like ice cold sounds refreshing, but I do think room temperature is supposed to

330
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be like the most healthy.

331
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I actually thought ice cold was the most healthy because it burns the most calories.

332
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,000
No, I think that's room temperature.

333
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,360
No, it's ice cold that burns more calories, isn't it?

334
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And is that why you like room temperature?

335
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Because you think it's like a little naughty.

336
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It's not as healthy.

337
00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,240
Yeah.

338
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Yeah.

339
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Yeah.

340
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Yeah.

341
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You know, it's a little indulgent.

342
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So my other recommendation while Sarah looks up this important factor in, she's right.

343
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She's right.

344
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Yeah.

345
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She says drinking cold water requires your body to expand a small amount of energy to warm

346
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it to your body's temperature, but the calorie bird is minimal.

347
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Okay, I know whatever, but still, we're just trying to know.

348
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We're just trying to know.

349
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I did have a confused.

350
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Sabrina and I are really worlds apart these days on our opinions.

351
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Just, wow.

352
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We never bridge the gap between us.

353
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Yeah.

354
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:15,000
Anyway, my other drink pairing is a non-alcoholic.

355
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If you're in the market, there's a lot of beers on the shelves these days that are NA.

356
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And I tried one recently.

357
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It was the Guinness 0.5.

358
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Okay.

359
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,000
And it's just, it's a good one.

360
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You know, if you're at work and you're like, I don't understand this at all.

361
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I don't understand.

362
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You're drinking at work.

363
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I think occasionally it's nice to mix into the routine, especially if you're out at a bar

364
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and you're like, I don't really, I want to have one perhaps to be social, but I'd like

365
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to then have something in my hand.

366
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I'm telling you.

367
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But then have a delicious Coke.

368
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I don't understand what we're doing with these fake non-alcoholic beverages.

369
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It doesn't make sense to me.

370
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I love a non-alcoholic beer.

371
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Yeah.

372
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What?

373
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,400
Yeah.

374
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,400
Actually, okay, wait, hear me out.

375
00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:12,840
I love a non-alcoholic IPA because IPA was my favorite type of beer in terms of taste, but

376
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it gave me crazy hangovers.

377
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And so I had to cut it out of my life completely, but with non-alcoholics, I can have it.

378
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,160
Wow.

379
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:30,440
I just don't like beer enough without the bonus of feeling the alcohol.

380
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Do you know what I'm saying?

381
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:39,000
I don't enjoy the taste of beer enough to be like, I want this without that makes sense.

382
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000
That's how I--

383
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,720
It's kind of like decaf coffee.

384
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,600
If you don't like the taste of coffee, there's simply--

385
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,600
And Sarah can be--

386
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And I don't.

387
00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,600
I don't.

388
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,600
There's just a way to make me do that.

389
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,600
And I do drink decaf coffee.

390
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So this is the set's up.

391
00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,080
Decaf coffee, non-alcoholic-- sure.

392
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And water.

393
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,080
It just goes to pair with this bucket.

394
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,080
Room temperature water.

395
00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,080
Yeah.

396
00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,080
Yeah.

397
00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,080
Don't drink alcohol, just have something else.

398
00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,080
I don't know.

399
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,920
But that's where we are.

400
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,400
That's where we are.

401
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,200
And I guess-- thank you for the--

402
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,920
No, no, thank you for putting in.

403
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,520
It was important.

404
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,520
I would have been upset if we met.

405
00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,520
I did it for you.

406
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[MUSIC PLAYING]

407
00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:33,080
But anyway, back to Curtis, the big thing we want to point out

408
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,200
from Clara's notes is that she went to boarding school.

409
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,720
It's called, one more time, Groton.

410
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,320
What is it?

411
00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,320
Groton?

412
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,240
Groton.

413
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,680
At Groton, I guess these are quotes from her.

414
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I hate you guys are so poor you don't

415
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,920
know how to pronounce it.

416
00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,880
I don't know that much about prep schools.

417
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,160
This is one thing I realized.

418
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,920
We're not-- I'm married to someone that went to boarding school.

419
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,920
Yeah, yeah, truly.

420
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,920
That's true.

421
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,160
My husband went to the opposite of boarding school, OK?

422
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,640
Groton, I personally went to--

423
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

424
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,240
That was a 17,000-worth school in Pennsylvania.

425
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,240
[LAUGHTER]

426
00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,520
I didn't know it had-- that's funny, OK.

427
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,640
At Groton, I had been preoccupied with differences

428
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,800
between me and my classmates, between boys and girls,

429
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,440
liberals and conservatives, loyalists,

430
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,000
to the feminist cause, and/or up and repentant boars.

431
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000
As a half-catholic, half-Jewish girl from Ohio,

432
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,320
I myself, it's neither particularly mischievous

433
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,200
nor particularly preppy.

434
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,880
I had a few close friends and no boyfriend.

435
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280
Likely or dispensed Saturday evening in the library,

436
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,920
reading the Paris Review, then attending a dance.

437
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,240
OK, so basically, she--

438
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,560
what-- and this is what I understand about her-- is, yes,

439
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,480
the book is based on a lot of her experiences,

440
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,560
but it's not autobiographical.

441
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:49,040
She was a little different then, Lee, because of her--

442
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,920
she wasn't a wallflower.

443
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,520
She started a feminist group called Group for Female Awareness.

444
00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,520
She was a real pill.

445
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:03,240
She was kind of like a barist about the thing she did at that age,

446
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,720
I know, but there is--

447
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,200
she also was a columnist for the student paper.

448
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,760
She wrote about the school's flaws she wanted to fix,

449
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,920
but then a friend's mom sent it to the Washington Post,

450
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,400
and they published an excerpt from it,

451
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,040
but they took out all the good parts with her

452
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,600
complementing the prep school.

453
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,320
And so it was just like--

454
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,520
was basically all the bad things, and it was before she

455
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,280
graduated, which you guys will know is similar.

456
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,760
You can see the inspiration for what happens in the novel.

457
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,880
Wow, that's pretty crazy.

458
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,880
But yeah, and the other thing I know, for example,

459
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,000
the main character is Lee, Fiora.

460
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,360
And one of her reasons for naming it Lee

461
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,360
was because she's Curtis, and she was saying she wanted a name

462
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:51,920
that was like--

463
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,760
Is it a boy's--

464
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,600
Androgynous?

465
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,640
Androgynous, but maybe Lee's boy and is also Lee.

466
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,960
She wanted this girl, believe she's very simple,

467
00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:01,320
so a simple name.

468
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,840
OK.

469
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,560
Yes, well-named.

470
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,280
You well-named.

471
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,560
You nailed it with that, Curtis.

472
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,040
Yeah, and we can talk-- we'll definitely

473
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,600
talk more of a name.

474
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,640
This book came out 12 years after she graduated.

475
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,560
It was her first book.

476
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,720
I know she spent like five years on it.

477
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,760
I listened to an interview.

478
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,080
I think with the BBC in her.

479
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,560
And I know she said she submitted it to 14 publishers

480
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,160
in "Oh, my God," and took it.

481
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,400
But the response she got was a lot of like,

482
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,080
I don't know how we'd market this.

483
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,800
It seems like it's for more for adults than teens.

484
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,040
I guess--

485
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:41,200
Because I was wondering, was she told to make it more interesting?

486
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,200
And I guess that wasn't the specific--

487
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,000
Yeah, I mean, I could see her getting the feedback,

488
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,520
like it's hard to market a book that doesn't have a plot.

489
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,360
You know what I mean?

490
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,760
Yeah, but it wasn't the feedback was for it, especially

491
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,240
like who's it for.

492
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,200
And this book, we're saying that, but it was--

493
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,080
it spent 13 weeks on the best-selling list.

494
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,080
You're did it come out.

495
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,760
Did you say it?

496
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,640
Yes, in 2019.

497
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,640
2019.

498
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,280
I looked at the book.

499
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,200
No, no, no, that's not right.

500
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:05,720
Really?

501
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,560
Sorry.

502
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,880
Yeah, it's--

503
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,760
No, because Meg read it in high school.

504
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,280
Yeah.

505
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,800
OK.

506
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,600
Boy did it make--

507
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,280
And I need you all to know that Meg was not a nice book.

508
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,280
2005.

509
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,280
2005.

510
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,280
OK.

511
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,320
That actually helps a lot.

512
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,800
For some reason, my audiobook--

513
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,400
It maybe was recorded in 2019, that probably.

514
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:25,880
OK.

515
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,720
And I was like, my jaw was on the floor

516
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,760
that this was something I was reading in 2019.

517
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,600
Over and over again, I was like, what the fuck?

518
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,600
It was written in 2005, but it's supposed to be set

519
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,800
in the early '90s.

520
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,840
Yes, yes.

521
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:46,040
It was some of the blatant racism--

522
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,680
Right, that felt like--

523
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,680
That felt like--

524
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,200
Yes, yes.

525
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:49,720
I agree.

526
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,720
I was like that key to--

527
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,080
Did that pop for you?

528
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,080
It popped.

529
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,600
It popped.

530
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,840
2005.

531
00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,040
It was still bad, but it just would have been shocking

532
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,800
to have been written six years ago.

533
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,120
That's all.

534
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:03,600
Yeah.

535
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,480
But she was pretty young.

536
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,640
She was in her 20s, so I don't know.

537
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,000
That usually pisses me off, but apparently she spent

538
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,840
like five years writing it, so good for her.

539
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,400
I, in my mind, Curtis--

540
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,520
we've read her so much--

541
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,760
was our age, and she's not.

542
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,360
So it feels OK to me that she has so many published books,

543
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,760
and I have none.

544
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,760
As long as the person is older than me,

545
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,000
they can have much success.

546
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,760
But she wasn't older than us when she had their success.

547
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,600
Yeah, but here's the thing.

548
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,560
In today's day and age, you can't just write a racist book

549
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560
and get published, you know?

550
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,680
So you allow yourself more time because your mind's

551
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,840
going to be not racist, so I can have a couple more years.

552
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,920
It won't be racist, it won't be sexist.

553
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,360
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,400
And you need actually time to fix those things.

555
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960
Well, well, she tried to do that all in her high school,

556
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,360
so in real life, so she didn't have to do it in the book.

557
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:09,600
OK, so let's--

558
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,400
let's dive into this book.

559
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,880
It is fully from Lee Fiora.

560
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,960
Like it starts-- she's her perspective.

561
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,320
It's four years of her at prep school starting with her,

562
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,920
I guess, like pretty much getting there to graduation,

563
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,640
although it is also written from the perspective of her,

564
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,760
like, is it 10 or 15 years later in the future?

565
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,880
That sounds right.

566
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,320
But I guess I get--

567
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,320
I'm a little-- I always-- that part confused me.

568
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,120
Did that part confuse you throughout or did you

569
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,800
like that, I guess, that kind of--

570
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,040
She would just occasionally throughout the book,

571
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480
I suppose, say something like, she'd

572
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,600
be in the present telling you about this--

573
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,520
or you'd feel like you were presently with her at age 14.

574
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,440
And then she would add a line like, of course, years later,

575
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,280
looking back, I realized, blah, blah, blah.

576
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,200
And I guess I was fine with that.

577
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,560
But she did it so little, I guess, that it was a little--

578
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960
you'd be taken out for a second.

579
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,400
It felt jarring to me.

580
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600
And I think also because I initially was certain,

581
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:22,080
it was because something major was going to happen between it

582
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,880
starting then.

583
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,880
And I was like, it kept being like, oh, OK, what's the thing?

584
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,320
Because she kind of would-- it was like alluding to how things would change.

585
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,600
It kind of said vague things sometimes.

586
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,080
And I was like, oh, so something big is going to happen.

587
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,800
And she's setting the stage for what life was like before this big event.

588
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,960
And then it's that-- which-- it doesn't come to pass, one, two,

589
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,520
I don't think I think as an older person reflecting back,

590
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,880
she could have been, I think, even more insightful.

591
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,560
It felt like this person as an adult was still the same.

592
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,280
We can talk about character growth.

593
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,680
But I'm like--

594
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,160
Yeah.

595
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,480
I was their character growth in those four years.

596
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920
But was there any character growth in the 10 years or 15 years from?

597
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,320
I couldn't tell.

598
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400
I really fucking couldn't tell.

599
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,320
I felt like--

600
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,680
Sorry, I was going to say in the book,

601
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,440
she like-- in the older days, circles

602
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,800
backed so much to her high school crush of this guy named Cross.

603
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,680
And she'd be like, even when I was with other people later,

604
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,720
it never felt as natural as when I was with Cross.

605
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,600
And I was like, they're not together in the later part.

606
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,560
So it is troubling to me that she's still pining for that.

607
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,040
Yeah, I thought that was so-- there's some stuff like that.

608
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,800
Yeah, that was so weird that made me be like,

609
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,400
this is a character that not only in the first four years

610
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,400
doesn't change.

611
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,600
Because I just felt like I kept reading the book being like, OK,

612
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,400
when does it happen?

613
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,880
When does the book start?

614
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,400
Kind of.

615
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Yes, exactly.

616
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,520
Yeah.

617
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,560
I mean, I have mixed feelings about it, to be honest,

618
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,640
because I actually think the author--

619
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,840
I'm not surprised at all that it was like a personal experience

620
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,040
for her that she was.

621
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,320
She was a boarding school student that a lot of the events

622
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,800
probably are destroyed.

623
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,800
OK, from the Midwest.

624
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Yeah.

625
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,680
Because I felt like she actually captured

626
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,320
what it's like to be sort of dumb and 14

627
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,600
and think that you know everything.

628
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,080
And you really, really don't.

629
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,920
But at that age, you feel like you're like, I'm as smart

630
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280
and I'm as adult as I'll ever be in my life.

631
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,240
I'm going to be just this way when I'm 30.

632
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,600
I'm going to be this way when I'm 40.

633
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,480
And it's like--

634
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Yeah.

635
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,240
There's a lot I liked.

636
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,040
I thought--

637
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,600
I felt that way in my whole life.

638
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Yeah.

639
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Me too.

640
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,880
I thought--

641
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,120
I do think like her as a kid, her high school,

642
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,920
like the way she thought about things,

643
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,440
I definitely understood or sometimes.

644
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,680
And the dialogue was very, I feel, like, accurate for the age.

645
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440
I think there was a lot of stuff that it was impressive.

646
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,480
I also just think-- and I hope we've talked about this before.

647
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,400
Just think Curtis.

648
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,200
Curtis had found it just like a good writer.

649
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,920
She is.

650
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,400
Yeah.

651
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,400
Yeah.

652
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,920
It definitely--

653
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,400
Yeah.

654
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:08,760
Yeah.

655
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,520
It flows--

656
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,120
It's like all of her books are well written in some degree,

657
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,680
but then there is something about it that is maddening,

658
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,480
which is like, in rotum.

659
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,080
It was like the constant circling back

660
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,880
to Bill Clinton's penis.

661
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,400
Yeah.

662
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,720
[LAUGHTER]

663
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000
That's why I mean, it's so different than the issues with this book.

664
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,680
I mean--

665
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,360
We have this one.

666
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:40,560
It was like always needlessly identifying people by race,

667
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:47,000
and then making the character a stereotype of that race.

668
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Yeah.

669
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Yeah.

670
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,320
But like, I understand drawing that in a little bit

671
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520
if the book was written in 2005, and it was set in the '90s.

672
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,120
But you have to be then a character that reflects back on it

673
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:02,000
from your current day.

674
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,960
And is able to say that was racist.

675
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Not just leave it as an anecdote and be like, that was that.

676
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,440
The only black girl in the book, character at all,

677
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
is this girl named Little Washington.

678
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040
And she's there on scholarship, and she gets kicked out

679
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,440
for stealing.

680
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,560
And I actually don't want to even repeat

681
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,200
some of the other stuff that came up about her

682
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,880
in terms of her description, because it's just as offensive

683
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,240
as you could imagine.

684
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240
I would say--

685
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Right, and even like she talks about a Jewish girl also,

686
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240
not being it with that nose and name.

687
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,600
That's exactly the question.

688
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,560
And they get you students that are really smart,

689
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,720
but their parents are really hard on them,

690
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,240
and they don't speak good English.

691
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,560
And they try to kill themselves.

692
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,440
Yeah.

693
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,520
It is-- it is like stereotype after stereotype.

694
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,960
But in a way, I'm like--

695
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Yeah, and I guess I'm like, this is her perspective.

696
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,720
I don't know.

697
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,960
But the adult needs to look back and say,

698
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,240
right, I can't believe how wrong I was.

699
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Otherwise--

700
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,800
That's why it's crazy to me.

701
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,840
I feel like I'd forgive it a lot more

702
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,320
without that adult part of it, because I would be like,

703
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,920
where this is just like slice--

704
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
it's not slice a life, because it's obviously

705
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160
fucking four years.

706
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:31,480
But I would introduce it and not do the work of that reflection.

707
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320
Just-- it seems bonkers to me.

708
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,880
It's bonkers.

709
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,560
Also, I guess I'm not sure that I need to or want to or anyone

710
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680
really needs to read about an unremarkable high school

711
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,960
students unremarkable life.

712
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,560
This can't go as--

713
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920
I don't think parts of her were really real,

714
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,800
but I have to say, even as a high school student,

715
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,840
I would have found her deeply unlikable

716
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,320
because of how fake and like spineless and--

717
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,480
She's spineless.

718
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,880
And just like boring, she was.

719
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,640
The character to me didn't make sense from the beginning.

720
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,280
I mean, I think Lee is mostly consistent in her spinelessness.

721
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440
But the concept starts out that she's like,

722
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,120
she campaigns to her parents to like go to this public school,

723
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960
that she goes and like finds--

724
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,400
I don't-- I can't imagine doing this at 13th.

725
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,400
That's probably part of it.

726
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,400
To the boarding school, yeah.

727
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440
To the boarding school and it's like finds and applies

728
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,440
and does all those things and then convinces

729
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000
her parents to let her go and goes.

730
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,440
That's not the type of person--

731
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
like the person who does all those things

732
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800
doesn't-- isn't in the rest of the book.

733
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Do you know what I mean?

734
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,600
I would expect that person to be like, have a level of confidence,

735
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,600
or even if that is challenged at the prep school,

736
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,640
but is like is going to be active, is going to make choices

737
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,160
that are not just sitting back.

738
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,720
They are a person that does things.

739
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,760
But the entire time she just sits at her room.

740
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,720
She doesn't do anything.

741
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,200
She wonders about things.

742
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
She doesn't even study for school.

743
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,800
She's not even good at school.

744
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520
And I mean, that was kind of sad because I guess

745
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,960
that to me that was more of like--

746
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,240
also, I was like, how is she even on scholarship still?

747
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,240
She's doing that.

748
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Don't you have to keep like A's or something?

749
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,840
I didn't even understand that.

750
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,440
But yeah, it felt--

751
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920
she's self-defeating.

752
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720
She really dislikes herself.

753
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
And so she feels inferior, I guess,

754
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,280
once she gets there and so she just doesn't try.

755
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280
And that it's hard to read that.

756
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,360
And read about someone who just doesn't try.

757
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,120
It's infuriating, in fact.

758
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,640
And I kept just thinking like, I'm sure all of us

759
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
had some degree of anxiety or like whatever

760
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,000
overthinking at that age.

761
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,480
But I was like, I just was nothing like her.

762
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Sam.

763
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,760
So it's so hard for me.

764
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Like I would like to meet this person in modern day

765
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400
be like, well, you were like this in high school.

766
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,360
How did you turn out?

767
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,720
Like, you know what else?

768
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,800
I think is--

769
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,720
like you brought this up and I'm like obsessing over it now,

770
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,040
which is that she is looking back on this now as an adult,

771
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,360
but she never reflects.

772
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,840
And so there are a couple stories where

773
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880
she is like a really, really bad friend to people.

774
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Like does one or two things that are truly like so cruel

775
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,040
and un-rendered?

776
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
And kind of-- one is, for example, one of her first friends

777
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040
is this really wealthy girl, which she decides

778
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,920
she'll make her friend because she realizes

779
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Kinchita's wealthy.

780
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,720
So she's like, so I realize it's OK to be her friend.

781
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,520
Kinchita takes--

782
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,960
Even though she's a minority.

783
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Yeah, even though--

784
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Well, that--

785
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,840
I want to throw in a little nuance.

786
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480
They were kind of friends before that her trepidation

787
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,080
was that she was going to be just like categorized

788
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,360
as a poor person with this other poor person.

789
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280
And then she decided it was OK.

790
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,520
But she was rich.

791
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Kinchita was rich.

792
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,160
I don't feel like--

793
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,400
I don't know that.

794
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Yeah.

795
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,720
So then she knew she wouldn't be boxed in as a poor

796
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,960
with another poor once she realized Kinchita was rich.

797
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,720
But Kinchita takes her and Kinchita's

798
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,160
other best friend out for a day on the town in a limo.

799
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,400
They meet Kinchita's mom.

800
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,760
She takes them to dinner.

801
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,320
She's got a bodyguard.

802
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Yeah.

803
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
And then on the limo ride home, Kinchita stays with her mom

804
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360
so the two girls are in the limo together.

805
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160
And they're like, should we room together next year?

806
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,240
And they're both like, yeah, let's do it.

807
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720
And Kinchita had separately asked both of them.

808
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,120
So she had originally asked the other friend Martha

809
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,240
to be her roommate.

810
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,720
And Martha was like some excuse of like, I don't know.

811
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,880
I don't know if I can.

812
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
So then she asked Lee.

813
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000
And Lee was like, oh, no, because you're poor.

814
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,440
And she didn't have another option.

815
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
But it was like--

816
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,520
They decide on this ride home.

817
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
After Kinchita does this really nice thing for them

818
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,400
to be roommates.

819
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,200
And they even are like, we could get a triple and include

820
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,360
Kinchita and they're like, nah.

821
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200
And it's just left hanging like that.

822
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,360
And then we're supposed to move on and keep learning about Lee.

823
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,640
And I really, really could have used adult Lee,

824
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,160
looking back with the perspective.

825
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,000
Her look back is like, Martha became one of my best friends

826
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,960
ever.

827
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,680
I need you to look back and be like, what I did was really cool.

828
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,720
I did Kinchita was--

829
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,160
And she tells Kinchita is like, more--

830
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,440
like, it doesn't seem to have a remorse.

831
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Doesn't even seem to get why Kinchita's upset.

832
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,000
It's just so weird.

833
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,200
It's so weird.

834
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,360
It is really weird.

835
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,680
And also, I didn't hate this aspect of the book,

836
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,080
but it was a little too convenient sometimes

837
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,760
where the story wasn't told completely linearly.

838
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,560
So we get this story of Lee being like, so yeah, me and Martha

839
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,360
are going to hang out together and then Kinchita is like,

840
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,720
you're a bad friend.

841
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,240
We're not friends anymore.

842
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,640
And Lee's like, I knew that was the end of our friendship.

843
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560
And then, like, 10 minutes later, it's like,

844
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,280
I had actually talked Kinchita how to ride a bike earlier

845
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,240
that day, right before I told her I wasn't going

846
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,360
to be her friend anymore.

847
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,480
And it was like, this person--

848
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,360
she invested so much in you.

849
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,680
She was vulnerable enough in high school

850
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,600
to let you help her ride a bike for the first time ever.

851
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,840
And then you just like, throw her away.

852
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,560
And you're like, I knew that was our last conversation ever.

853
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,360
And she saw something so cold.

854
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,040
She's like, I looked at Kinchita and realized,

855
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,040
like, she was upset about this today, but by tomorrow,

856
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,920
this was going to be meaningless.

857
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
And it's like, to be honest, this is the kind of thing

858
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
that honestly would stick with you for a very long time,

859
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,400
if not forever.

860
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,760
And it fully did because at the very end,

861
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,480
you see Kinchita's the one who steps up and like,

862
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,960
tries to argue the opposite point that Lee had

863
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,120
in the New York Times article.

864
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,880
She's like one of the people that goes to that meeting.

865
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,480
And it is like, I disagree, and blah, blah.

866
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,240
And it felt like it was pointed, per to me.

867
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,760
But anyway, and oh my god, I guess I should say in the cover

868
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,480
of this book, it says something like it kind of--

869
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160
actually, you know what, I should just look up.

870
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,480
What is the cover of this book?

871
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Also, just while we're on the cover, judge a book by its cover.

872
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Oh, yeah.

873
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,720
We haven't done it in so long.

874
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,120
OK, it is a good cover.

875
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,800
It is a good cover.

876
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,000
I don't get it.

877
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,480
Oh, you don't get it?

878
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Oh, wow.

879
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,960
What, no.

880
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,240
Why is it a little different?

881
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,760
That belt doesn't speak to you?

882
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,880
OK, I'm looking at the cover now for the first time,

883
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:53,600
and I'll tell you what, I kind of get it.

884
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,040
Why would it speak to me?

885
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,880
OK, so is this--

886
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
Because of her reversible bed spread?

887
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Oh, is it?

888
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,320
Wait, this is not the book cover I'm looking at.

889
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,320
OK, on the book cover, I see there's a belt,

890
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,920
and it's a belt that is clearly reversible.

891
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,800
It could be pink or lime green, and there's

892
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,000
like a scene in the book where they realize that Lee

893
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,560
realizes that people can tell she's poor because her bed

894
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,280
spread is reversible.

895
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Which I don't even know what that means.

896
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,960
Was it school issued, or is that just what poor people had?

897
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000
Because I'll tell you, I had a reversible bed spread.

898
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
In college.

899
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,480
Yeah, I guess it is just what poor people had.

900
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,800
I mean, I didn't have it, so I guess--

901
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Yeah.

902
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Sarah, did you have a floral bed spread?

903
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Floral.

904
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,760
I don't think I had floral, no, but--

905
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,280
I don't.

906
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:39,800
I don't.

907
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,120
That's spread.

908
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,880
Yeah, it wasn't reversible, certainly.

909
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Mine was pink and orange from bedbath and beyond.

910
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,680
My crow fiber.

911
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,080
I wish I could remember anything about a bed spread I've ever

912
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,920
had prior to the one I currently have.

913
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Not an important thing to me.

914
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,400
I don't know anything.

915
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,280
Why is it so hard to find the back of a book?

916
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,880
I'm sorry.

917
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,520
I didn't expect--

918
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,280
I thought I could like Google image--

919
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,880
I guess image search, and somebody would just

920
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,720
give me the back of their--

921
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:08,720
Well, you're searching.

922
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,800
I'll just say, like, I think, again,

923
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,040
being mean to your friends and doing things that are really,

924
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,480
really insanely cruel is like a great middle school

925
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,000
trope.

926
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,440
I think we probably all did it.

927
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,280
We probably all experienced it.

928
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,520
So this is-- it gets back to why I'm torn about this book,

929
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,200
because some of those moments are so real.

930
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,080
But it's also like, how can I root for this character?

931
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,880
She's wonderful, boring, and has no adult perspective

932
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,600
that makes any of this OK.

933
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:38,520
And she doesn't change.

934
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,840
I guess what I was just going to say is,

935
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,040
I feel like I read some small blurb about it

936
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,560
that inferred there was, like, until something happens,

937
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,040
that changes everything, like one of those, which isn't true,

938
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,040
which I think is only her--

939
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,600
the fact that in the story, she sits down

940
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,280
with the New York Times and talks a little too openly

941
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,800
about the school, and then people are mad at her.

942
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,480
But like, it just didn't--

943
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,360
like, nobody got that mad at her.

944
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:09,880
I don't know.

945
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,560
It wasn't--

946
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,920
and also, it's not like she had any social capital to lose.

947
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,080
So it wasn't even--

948
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,320
I don't even know why she cared about that.

949
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,960
She had no friends.

950
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,840
Who cares?

951
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Anyway, I don't even know.

952
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,680
What are we-- what are we talking about?

953
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,800
There's so much in this book.

954
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,640
The names are funny, but I guess that's not necessarily bad.

955
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,760
It's like, these are prep school names.

956
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,320
It's like, rich people giving their--

957
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Yeah, their names are gates.

958
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,760
That's a popular girl.

959
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Her name is Gates, the boy that Lee loves,

960
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,600
his first name is Cross.

961
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Cross, Sugarman.

962
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Sugarman.

963
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,800
I love them one.

964
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,320
There's some girls that are--

965
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,840
I can't believe this isn't a movie.

966
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,600
I know.

967
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,560
I didn't say that it has been optioned at times.

968
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,560
What I haven't been--

969
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Aspith.

970
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,320
That was the one I was trying to ask for.

971
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,600
Aspith.

972
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,600
What?

973
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,480
That reminds me of big little lies.

974
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,400
Laura Dern's child's name was like Amabel?

975
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

976
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,000
It's like almost a name.

977
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,120
I'm like, I did this with it.

978
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,480
It just-- yeah, it's almost a name,

979
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,400
but suggests a speech impediment, which

980
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
is a tough road-to-ho as a child.

981
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,080
I guess I can't say that anymore, I don't know.

982
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,240
Is that an OK thing to say?

983
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,880
It doesn't feel OK.

984
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,160
It's a farming reference.

985
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,680
OK.

986
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,400
All right, that's fine.

987
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,840
You know, like, you hoe a row.

988
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Yeah.

989
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Great.

990
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,800
It's not like a tough hoe to slap.

991
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,800
Great.

992
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,240
[MUSIC PLAYING]

993
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:49,920
Anyway, I feel like we needed medication.

994
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,320
It was crazy to me that she couldn't talk to anyone,

995
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
not even--

996
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,400
I mean, I guess not having an open relationship with your parents

997
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,160
is must have been part of the issue.

998
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,240
Like, she wanted to get away from them so bad,

999
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:03,880
but like--

1000
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Her parents sucked.

1001
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Oh, I was going to-- I thought they were fine.

1002
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,600
I didn't even understand.

1003
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Her dad was a piece of shit.

1004
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,600
He treated her--

1005
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,120
I did not care for him.

1006
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Oh, I had no problem.

1007
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,160
I felt bad for him.

1008
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,040
I was like, no.

1009
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Yeah, you're right, your daughter is shit.

1010
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,080
I mean, look, she sucked, but also teenager suck.

1011
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,760
That's their job.

1012
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,760
[LAUGHTER]

1013
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,400
I got a 49-year-old man.

1014
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,080
It is--

1015
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Which is so young.

1016
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,960
I was like 39 and a 14.

1017
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Wow, you had kids.

1018
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,960
But I mean, I understand his perspective of like,

1019
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
he didn't want to send her to prep school.

1020
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,120
He doesn't understand it.

1021
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,720
He's spending--

1022
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,400
like, they're saying her scholarship

1023
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,040
was three-fourths of tuition.

1024
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,080
So she's still spending a ton of money

1025
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,000
to send her to that school.

1026
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Like, I'm sure it's a lot of money to her,

1027
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,280
and then to be like, find out that, you know,

1028
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
like, she's so embarrassed of him, but then later,

1029
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,240
that she doesn't even like it.

1030
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,080
It's like, what the fuck?

1031
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,720
Why have I been like bending over backwards?

1032
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,640
I probably had to like, remoragize the house.

1033
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,520
I've been doing shit so that you can do this.

1034
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,280
And it seems like you got nothing from it

1035
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,000
that you in fact disliked it.

1036
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Like, what would I would be so infuriated with it?

1037
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,600
And I guess that's even happy with a teenage girl.

1038
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,080
But even still, it's like when she goes home to visit

1039
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,720
and they go to pick up her little brother

1040
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,680
from the skating rink, which she does,

1041
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,800
because she's just like, oh, I want to spend more time with them

1042
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
because I'm here.

1043
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,360
And then he, like, he, you know, he called Shotgun

1044
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,280
in a really shitty way, which when you say it out loud,

1045
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,280
says the brother.

1046
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,040
The brother.

1047
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,240
But then the dad is like making so much fun of her

1048
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,720
and is like, well, Lee, you can, when we get home,

1049
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,360
you're free to sit in the car for 20 minutes in the front.

1050
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
- This just sounds like stuff my family would say.

1051
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,400
It was not at all.

1052
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,560
I'm not saying I wouldn't have, there's a time at that age

1053
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,040
where I also might have been really sad

1054
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,560
about it or affected by it, but like, to me,

1055
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,840
that is so normal.

1056
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,680
Like, that comes out.

1057
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,640
- But it's also, it's like, she's away at boarding school

1058
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,080
so much of the time, which like is a, like,

1059
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,680
it's a reasonable thing to want a better education.

1060
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,080
Yes, she's squandering it.

1061
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,920
But like, to not be nice to her when you see her.

1062
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,680
- That's what she's 14.

1063
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,800
- It's really cruel that the parents get there.

1064
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
They have a bad interaction.

1065
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,760
They were only gonna be there for 22 hours, by the way.

1066
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,360
I get that you have other children,

1067
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,360
but it's the first time they've ever visited the school

1068
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,200
and they can't even stay one full day.

1069
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,360
And then they have a bad interaction

1070
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,000
and they leave immediately without saying goodbye.

1071
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,320
They don't even come.

1072
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,080
- That does happen.

1073
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,760
- I actually, and it's, well, does this make me,

1074
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,320
this happens and it's normal.

1075
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,920
- No, no, no, no, I'm, yes,

1076
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,640
but I guess I'm giving you my interpretation of it.

1077
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,360
I actually, because found, I think the dad's reaction,

1078
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,600
like, I understood it.

1079
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,040
I think he should have stayed and still tried,

1080
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,720
but like, I could see that happening.

1081
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,400
I actually thought the mother, I was more disappointed

1082
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,360
in the mother who didn't feel the same,

1083
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,880
not for not standing up to the father and being like,

1084
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,760
fine, you don't go, I'm staying

1085
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,600
and I'm going.

1086
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,000
That to me in that moment, I was shocked

1087
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,760
that she just went along with that.

1088
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,880
- I completely agree with that take.

1089
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,720
And it's like, okay, I see where Lee gets it, I guess.

1090
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,560
She's like this weak, spineless character.

1091
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,720
It's like, so is the mom.

1092
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,120
The mom is there to visit her daughter and her husband is like,

1093
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,280
no, we're gonna leave now.

1094
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
And she's just like, okay, honey, that's, sorry.

1095
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040
That she calls and is like, we're on our way home.

1096
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,880
- At all, okay.

1097
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Even in the 90s, that is not like,

1098
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,160
that's how, they drove all the way there.

1099
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,400
It's, I don't know, it's crazy.

1100
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,040
- I totally understand though,

1101
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,600
those fights you would get in, especially with your dad

1102
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,880
when you were a high schooler,

1103
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,640
and you could be, high school girls can be so mean,

1104
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,240
they can be so cruel, you're so embarrassed of your parents.

1105
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,920
That all definitely rang true.

1106
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,520
But you know what, didn't ring true,

1107
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,400
her family dynamic at all with her family.

1108
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040
I believe that Curtis Sitonfeld went to a boarding school,

1109
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,600
but I'm not sure she had a family because,

1110
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,440
it just felt like it was just like,

1111
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
we're at the dinner table being like, fart, you know,

1112
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,880
how family are.

1113
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,640
And you're just like, yeah.

1114
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,640
- I've never been at a dinner table.

1115
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,640
- Maybe she grew up in just like a really normal family

1116
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,920
and she wanted a little bit of,

1117
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,200
- I bet that's maybe true.

1118
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,840
- Right, I mean, I,

1119
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,600
yeah, we,

1120
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,720
I mean, we were definitely actively farting at my dinner table.

1121
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,400
- Yeah, but I would have, if you wrote about it,

1122
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,240
if you wrote about it, I would feel the truth behind it.

1123
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,040
- Yeah.

1124
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,800
- I could feel the fakeness behind this.

1125
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,200
- Yeah, it was vacant.

1126
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,800
- There were, there were empty parts.

1127
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
- We, a shit, no really.

1128
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,200
- A really subjective, stomach distress, can I just say?

1129
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,960
- Of course.

1130
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,080
- No, a part of the, the book, the movie,

1131
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,080
that I was like, what the fuck is this?

1132
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,760
There is a scene which like, we haven't really talked much

1133
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,960
about the actual plot, but the reason she gets obsessed

1134
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,960
with this guy, Cross is because on surprise holiday,

1135
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,000
one day she goes to the mall.

1136
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
- Was that a thing at your school, by the way?

1137
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,800
- Yeah, surprise hall, no, we didn't have that.

1138
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,960
- Okay, go ahead.

1139
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,440
- She's getting her ears pierced.

1140
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,960
It goes awry, maybe she almost faints,

1141
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,560
and then this like popular kid at school,

1142
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,560
like saves her. - It was like a meek,

1143
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
it was like, that was kind of stereotypical

1144
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,040
in terms of the like, oh, I fainted

1145
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,120
and now he's here to save me.

1146
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520
But then they like, okay, they get milkshakes together

1147
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,240
and then he's like, oh, I gotta meet with my friends.

1148
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,680
Like, do you wanna come?

1149
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Hawkeye schools never gonna do that for this loser,

1150
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,120
but whatever.

1151
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,480
And they do that.

1152
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,760
And then afterwards they go out for pizza

1153
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,600
and they get pepperoni pizza and then they're all like,

1154
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,760
oh no, and like one of the teenage boys asks for Tom's,

1155
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,760
and I'm sorry, but nobody under the age of 22

1156
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,840
needs Tom's for pizza.

1157
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,880
(laughing)

1158
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,640
And that really, that really,

1159
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,480
- And I'm so lucky.

1160
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,880
- That, okay, I wasn't expecting you to go there.

1161
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,380
I actually, from that story, I was like, okay, now she knows

1162
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:23,680
by saying yes to things and going out and seeing people,

1163
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,600
she's learning that like she can have great new experiences

1164
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,560
and meet people.

1165
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,880
And so after this, she will start acting differently

1166
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,560
and then nope, she doesn't.

1167
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,320
She just still doesn't go to the dances,

1168
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,400
she still people say you wanna come over and hang out,

1169
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,480
she goes, no.

1170
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,880
- You know what the most, the same.

1171
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,960
- Like classic example of the whole book is,

1172
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,560
she leaves the school after this embarrassing

1173
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,480
New York Times story and one of her friends is like,

1174
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,840
you'll be okay, Lee, honestly, I think you're gonna be one

1175
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,440
of those people who like really thrives in college

1176
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,080
and like her perspective looking back is like,

1177
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,280
I ended up not thriving in college,

1178
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,120
sort of had the same problems I had in high school.

1179
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,200
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1180
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,440
- Okay, yeah, all right, well, good luck with everything

1181
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,480
in life, I guess, Lee, yeah.

1182
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Also, okay, also at the very end,

1183
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
goodness, I gotta try to remember what,

1184
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,840
I think I wrote down, at the very end,

1185
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,360
there seems like there's something that could be like,

1186
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:28,720
not a transformation, but like something actually,

1187
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,720
a realization for her, for the audience,

1188
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:36,720
where she's confronting Cross because he's been ghosting her,

1189
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,640
and he says something like, you know,

1190
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,360
you've been, you've been, you're by yourself,

1191
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,080
you're practicing her, you're practicing for stuff.

1192
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,360
And she's like, what am I practicing for?

1193
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,360
And she like, in that, I guess, moment as a kid doesn't know,

1194
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,400
but then, and I'm not saying that the future person

1195
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,200
should have answered it, but to me, it's like,

1196
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,560
well, the obvious thing is becoming a writer,

1197
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,560
like she is so observant, that's like the thing you can say

1198
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,240
that she is so observant about all these things.

1199
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,800
But then we hear like a flashes of like,

1200
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,320
what everyone's doing and we, she just vaguely says like,

1201
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,280
she just gets a job and then another job.

1202
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Like, and that's it.

1203
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,640
And there's no like, I just thought it was crazy.

1204
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,480
I was like, oh, so there's not even like,

1205
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,560
you eventually figured out that there was a use to you

1206
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,400
for that time.

1207
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,240
You had a revelation at some point.

1208
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,040
- It sort of like, that was the word I was looking for.

1209
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
- Are you a high school student and you want a book

1210
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,480
that gives you no hope about your life or your future?

1211
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,280
Here you go.

1212
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,680
I would never want a high school student to read this

1213
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,120
'cause I would be so afraid for them to think this way.

1214
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,320
Honestly, this book made me start thinking about like,

1215
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,440
you know how people, I feel like criticize parents

1216
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
of the 80s and 90s for like participation trophies.

1217
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,800
I started to be like, no, no, no, no, that is the answer.

1218
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,200
Because maybe if you don't do participation trophies

1219
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,040
and you're like, you just, you don't let them have any

1220
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,640
like feeling a positivity and self-worth,

1221
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,640
they become this person who just like judges everything

1222
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,600
and hates themselves and doesn't try in a self-defeating.

1223
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,600
- You know, that's horrible.

1224
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,440
- I agree.

1225
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,080
- It is and she's also not funny.

1226
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,080
The worst thing a person could be.

1227
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:34,920
- Not fun.

1228
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,120
- But it's like, I feel like you can follow a character

1229
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,400
who kind of is all those things

1230
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,320
if they have something else to hook you in.

1231
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,320
Or they're sociopathic.

1232
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,440
- They're funny.

1233
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,600
- They're sociopath, they're hot like something.

1234
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,440
- Something.

1235
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,280
- Give me something.

1236
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,360
- That's the whole point of Lee.

1237
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,200
She was a whole big nothing.

1238
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,320
That's literally what the book leaves you with.

1239
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,440
I will say there was one little moment that I did here

1240
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,520
and it actually like moved me even as an adult.

1241
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,840
Like I was like, that's a good thing to remember.

1242
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,480
And it was a person, adult,

1243
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,680
prospectively looking back and saying like,

1244
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640
she never went to the dances.

1245
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,280
And she, all the girls one day were like,

1246
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,720
after the, instead of the dance,

1247
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:18,960
they were all gonna go out to dinner

1248
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,680
and they were like, we know you won't come Lee

1249
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,840
'cause you never come.

1250
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,960
And she was like, at that time in my life,

1251
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,120
I thought that in order to do something,

1252
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,280
the people that were going had to really,

1253
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,040
really, really want me to come.

1254
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,320
And otherwise, so I would never go to anything.

1255
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,800
And I think that's like a good thing, probably,

1256
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,440
to keep in, 'cause I feel like I still feel that way

1257
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,600
a little bit of like you want people to be like,

1258
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,400
you have to come eat like almost bag you.

1259
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1260
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,440
You know, you're just afraid they're just doing it

1261
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,200
because they feel, yeah, out of obligation.

1262
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,240
And I think it's like, if it's something you want to do

1263
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,960
and you were invited, just say yes if you want to say yes.

1264
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Like if people don't want you there,

1265
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,480
they won't ask you again.

1266
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,480
This is the most Sabrina situation,

1267
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,480
but I have never once felt like I was unwanted somewhere.

1268
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,960
And I mean, like, I'm sure there's a situation

1269
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,760
where things have gone awry while I'm there,

1270
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,040
but I've never been like, oh, I don't wanna go.

1271
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,760
Like nobody really wants me there.

1272
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,520
I'm always like, no, everybody, I'll make it better.

1273
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,240
And they all know that.

1274
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,840
I think more about like applying to things or like writing

1275
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
or like stuff like that, where I self,

1276
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,080
I can self defeat myself and convince myself

1277
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,120
nobody wants to read this or nobody will like this.

1278
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,800
Like that, I really do, but I also like, yeah, I just,

1279
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,760
I wasn't like this.

1280
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Like I wasn't neurotic at this age.

1281
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,080
- Sarah was homecoming.

1282
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,080
- I'm like, "Great.

1283
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,680
(laughing)

1284
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,080
- So, yeah, yeah.

1285
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:54,920
- I'm Sabrina.

1286
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,760
- I was out of variance.

1287
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,280
- I guess take all these perspectives

1288
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,040
with a grain of fucking salt.

1289
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,560
- Yeah, but I don't feel like,

1290
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,160
I honestly thought about it.

1291
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,440
I was like, was this ADHD?

1292
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,440
I just like didn't care what other people thought.

1293
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,800
I didn't care what other people thought.

1294
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,640
- Yeah.

1295
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,560
- And it wasn't till in college that I remember being like,

1296
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,240
oh shit, should I be caring more

1297
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,800
what other people think?

1298
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
But at when I am, I live.

1299
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,840
- When I am, I live.

1300
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,680
(laughing)

1301
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,720
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cause I really wanna join a live.

1302
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:30,720
But, and I'm like, so grateful that I was like that

1303
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,960
because this reading this, I'm like, wow, this is awful.

1304
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,680
I am so glad I did not go through this

1305
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,800
because it doesn't seem like it was for good.

1306
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,200
There's not a purpose to it.

1307
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,200
- Not for this character.

1308
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,040
- Yeah.

1309
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,720
- There's, it didn't make it being like this.

1310
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,400
This self-defeating does not make you come out stronger.

1311
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,640
It just makes you defeat it.

1312
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,480
- Yeah.

1313
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,280
- Also, it's like, by all accounts,

1314
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,960
she does, like people want to be her friend.

1315
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,760
You don't really know.

1316
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,520
If it's all her or, I mean, it does sound like she sucks

1317
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,080
and I probably wouldn't want to be her friend.

1318
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,800
- But you don't hear over, she doesn't overhear

1319
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,080
someone saying something.

1320
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,080
Like it's not like she's making all these observations

1321
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,560
and judgments on herself.

1322
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,160
But we don't, we are, it's never confirmed to us

1323
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,440
so that's actually what anybody thinks.

1324
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,280
- Yeah.

1325
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,120
- Well, and like her best friend/room mate,

1326
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,840
which by the way, like even in her retelling,

1327
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,560
she often refers to Martha as her roommate

1328
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,200
instead of saying my best friend.

1329
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,560
But she would every now and then she would be like,

1330
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,680
I loved having a roommate, just one roommate

1331
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:45,960
because there was no confusion.

1332
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,560
It was like one best friend.

1333
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,720
And she just refers to it that way.

1334
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:56,200
It's not like, but this person gets elected as senior pre-fact,

1335
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,760
which is like the big thing in school.

1336
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,280
So it's like, it seems like Martha's well liked

1337
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,280
and she's your best friend.

1338
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,080
And then also the other senior pre-fact, the boy

1339
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,160
was the one who was nice to you freshman year

1340
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,280
and then they do start sleeping together

1341
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,040
but like at the start of sleeping together,

1342
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,920
she's like, I want you to know

1343
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,360
that you're not gonna tell anyone about this.

1344
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,320
I'm not expecting you to, I'm not expecting flowers.

1345
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,840
I'm not expecting you to say nice things to me.

1346
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,200
And it's like she cuts any emotion off

1347
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,960
before it could even blossom.

1348
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,000
I don't know that it ever would have, but like--

1349
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
But it's like, and then she's surprised

1350
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,040
that he's not like sending her flowers

1351
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,160
and doing the these things.

1352
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,480
That she specifically told him like not to do it is.

1353
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,200
And I get it, I get the like girl hope that like,

1354
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,880
you know, oh, he's gonna still fight for me.

1355
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,480
It's like a drug, but like we know that that's,

1356
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,640
I mean like, obviously not gonna happen.

1357
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Squash girl hope.

1358
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,040
If I could give one piece of advice.

1359
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,880
Squash it.

1360
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,120
Just ask the thing you want.

1361
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Don't think you can be passive.

1362
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,520
Yeah, and she says this at some point in the book

1363
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,840
like, oh, I thought I didn't realize

1364
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,320
that wanting someone was it enough,

1365
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,880
wanting something was enough to get it.

1366
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,720
But it's like, she just is constantly wanting

1367
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:17,960
without any action at all.

1368
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,440
And literally acting against herself.

1369
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,160
You know, to be honest, I like really more than anything

1370
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,640
need a picture of this character

1371
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,320
because if I just saw one photo of what she looked like,

1372
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,480
I'd be like, got it.

1373
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,960
Like, you're more than I think or like, yeah, okay.

1374
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,080
(laughing)

1375
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,720
It's interesting because I like the idea.

1376
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,640
We don't get a particularly detailed description of her,

1377
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,000
which is something I like,

1378
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,640
because I think any reader could put themselves

1379
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
in those shoes, but it's like,

1380
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,840
you kind of have to have a personality.

1381
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,400
Well, yes, but like other than that,

1382
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,640
like we don't know, I guess she's probably not short

1383
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,760
'cause she notes that somebody is short.

1384
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,160
She certainly notes when anyone is chubby.

1385
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,400
That doesn't mean she does, certainly.

1386
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,960
(laughing)

1387
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,720
But like, I can't put myself in her shoes.

1388
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,920
I can't like visualize her walking through the world.

1389
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160
And then also her personality is bad.

1390
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,000
So I'm not, like I'm not even,

1391
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,800
it's not like I'm connecting her to anything.

1392
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,280
- That's true, yeah.

1393
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,440
- She feels more like less like a person

1394
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,880
and more like a feeling of depression.

1395
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,720
Like I can't, it's like something that I'm like,

1396
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,840
"Oh, I don't like this."

1397
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,800
And I, but like, as well described.

1398
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,120
So like, again, with Curtis,

1399
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,640
I think I like could stick with it more than I probably would

1400
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,680
if this was a story written by a different author

1401
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080
because the writing was good,

1402
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,520
but I, yeah, the story,

1403
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,880
there's not, the story is so bad.

1404
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,320
I guess.

1405
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,360
- Oh, there's that one, like blip.

1406
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,280
I don't remember what year of school it was.

1407
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,080
It was probably do, near year,

1408
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,640
where she starts cutting everybody's hair.

1409
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,600
And it's interesting.

1410
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,240
I'm curious if you guys think like Martha was like,

1411
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,840
"I don't understand why you do it."

1412
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,320
And she like says the thing.

1413
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,320
She's like, is it because you're afraid to get close to people?

1414
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,760
And this is a way that you can socialize

1415
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,240
without ever having to like actually say anything.

1416
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,600
And that's probably true, right?

1417
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,160
Like it's like, this is my access to this world.

1418
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:38,160
And then when Martha calls her out on it, she just stops doing it.

1419
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,320
Which is like, maybe you would have made some friends

1420
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,640
if you kept cutting their hair.

1421
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,960
Teachers were like, I should get my haircut by you.

1422
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Teachers were like, I wish I could get my haircut.

1423
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,320
I'm touching your hair.

1424
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,440
- Do you guys ASMR is what it made me think of

1425
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,280
that I was like, oh, she has the ASMR

1426
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,880
where it's really pleasant to cut hair.

1427
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Or like, or like doing something for somebody

1428
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,880
and not like she's getting, it's not getting off like,

1429
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,720
like you're orgasming, but it's,

1430
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,080
I was like, she's getting off on this in some way

1431
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,000
and she's gonna realize it.

1432
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,840
But no.

1433
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,320
Or like, is this gonna inform her future in any way?

1434
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,680
Not that she has to become someone who cuts hair.

1435
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Like she could, but like, no.

1436
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,040
It just, she just stops.

1437
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,480
The way she just dropped it and it never came back

1438
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,120
was so wild to me.

1439
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,960
- Yeah.

1440
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,440
I mean, that was true for so many things.

1441
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,600
It's like her friend that she betrayed,

1442
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,640
that just never came back.

1443
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,920
The only friend that she even talked about in the later life

1444
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,160
was her roommate from freshman year.

1445
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Oh, wait, sorry, I'm all over the place.

1446
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,120
But freshman year, she had two roommates

1447
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,560
and one of them was Asian.

1448
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,520
And there was like this whole thing

1449
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,000
where the white roommate was like,

1450
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,480
you Asian roommate have smelly food somewhere.

1451
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,920
I know it, it's disgusting.

1452
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,520
And like, there's this whole like, tyrate about it.

1453
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,600
And then you find out later that like,

1454
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,480
there was squid in the trash can and whatever.

1455
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,800
And it's just like, I don't know, it just felt so like

1456
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,920
weird and needless.

1457
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,680
And I, for it to be racist and correct in her,

1458
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,840
oh, like, almost like justified in her racism.

1459
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,680
- Right.

1460
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,880
Literally, like that's what it was there for.

1461
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,160
- Yeah, that was a lot of that.

1462
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,080
- And then that roommate later tries to commit suicide

1463
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,440
and is also had sex with women.

1464
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,560
Oh my God, sorry, now you're just reminding me

1465
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,160
that like early on she finds a pamphlet.

1466
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,000
- Oh yeah.

1467
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
- Like how do you, like, you less mean?

1468
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,480
And I was like, oh, okay.

1469
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,760
She's gonna realize that she's, like, I was so,

1470
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,840
it was, what a weird thing to like,

1471
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,700
- Wow, really, we're taking, we're,

1472
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:02,540
- Reflect on.

1473
01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:04,000
- on the cast right now.

1474
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,160
And if, 'cause she read it in high school

1475
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,840
and if she remembered her feelings

1476
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,560
of reading it when she was closeted in boarding school.

1477
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,000
And also like, oh, maybe to explain why you're not

1478
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,120
getting along with guys or like,

1479
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,400
because she has that moment of like hanging out

1480
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,760
with the guys and like, maybe you feel awkward on girls

1481
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:21,960
who you like, like, I don't know.

1482
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,360
I was like, this will be explained some of her weirdness

1483
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,800
and you know, it's, yeah.

1484
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,320
- Yeah, like, I thought that was gonna be

1485
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,280
when we started.

1486
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,200
- Weirdly started.

1487
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,080
- And it's like discovering that she's gay

1488
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,160
and like figuring out how to navigate that.

1489
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:39,560
- I did too.

1490
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,000
- Nope, but no.

1491
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,720
- I did feel like that was actually also very real though

1492
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,280
that like pamphlet where it's like,

1493
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,120
- Yeah, that's true.

1494
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,360
- You might be gay and she's like,

1495
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,240
I think maybe, I'm gonna keep this in my drawer.

1496
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Maybe, okay, in the like, you know,

1497
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,880
tears later, she's like,

1498
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,200
"No, I don't think so."

1499
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,800
- I also, it was really funny.

1500
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,640
- That's really funny, I guess.

1501
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,760
- A big panic, which was relatable to me,

1502
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,480
which was like, completely unrealistic.

1503
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,600
It was like, okay, I have this thing

1504
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,120
that I don't want anyone to discover

1505
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,720
in her case, this pamphlet that she's gay.

1506
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,680
She's like, it's in my drawer

1507
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,600
and there's a thief on the loose.

1508
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,600
- Oh my God, I know.

1509
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,120
- Oh my God, the thief is gonna hit my room again,

1510
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,280
which by the way, they had already hit her room.

1511
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Like, they're not going to circle back to the same room,

1512
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,840
which is like, but she'll definitely go to that room

1513
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,320
and find my pamphlet and then expose themselves.

1514
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,240
- But guess what doesn't happen?

1515
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,640
That, yeah.

1516
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,640
- All right, do you guys wanna go to Goodreads' Fist R Reviews?

1517
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,920
- I think so, I think, you know, we've said what we can say

1518
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,160
about a book that was about nothing.

1519
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,400
(laughs)

1520
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,240
- Yeah, yeah.

1521
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,280
- We gave more than the book, did it?

1522
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,320
- Oh, you know what, I didn't say.

1523
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,320
I feel like I almost don't wanna say it

1524
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,400
'cause I'm gonna get mocked.

1525
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,000
Is it Foucault?

1526
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,280
- Yeah, Foucault.

1527
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,880
- I know I've said it wrong before,

1528
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,440
I've been mercilessly mocked, so scared.

1529
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,560
The Panopticon, his concept of the Panopticon,

1530
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,560
which is like your like in prison and you can't see

1531
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,280
when someone's watching you, so you think everyone's watching,

1532
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,760
if you think someone's watching you and all the time,

1533
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,120
you start self-policing yourself kind of thing.

1534
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,000
- Exactly, yeah.

1535
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,840
- And that, that, that, that, that eye concept is very prevalent

1536
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,560
in this book because she is just constantly

1537
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:34,160
policing herself, like she's constantly acting in a way

1538
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,040
or like not doing things because she's already

1539
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,880
expecting judgments or like expecting how other people look.

1540
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,880
And I think that is I guess well applied in like high school,

1541
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,600
I guess, if you're like a time where you're trying to fit in

1542
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:56,600
and you don't, you're afraid to ask what,

1543
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,920
but you're gonna try to do acting a way that will make you cool.

1544
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,120
I don't, again, I don't fully relate to this kid.

1545
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,680
- Let's, let's do this good reads.

1546
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,520
I've won.

1547
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,600
- Will you also do the one star review in a bridged version

1548
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,680
that's from Joe on April 5th?

1549
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:19,600
- Can you, can you, can you, can you, can you,

1550
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:20,760
- I just feel like you have it, go, go do it.

1551
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,880
- Yeah, I just feel like Joe was on the cast.

1552
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,880
He said, I always say if a writer can have a complete hatred

1553
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,360
and dislike for their protagonist from me,

1554
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,480
then they must be a good writer.

1555
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,480
So in that regard, Curtis Sitonfeld is an excellent writer.

1556
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,480
In any case, prep sucks.

1557
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:48,200
Two reasons why I hated prep, one, nothing happens.

1558
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,520
Two, Leafura is an annoying,

1559
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,760
whiny, dull, self-centered protagonist

1560
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,960
suffering from extreme anxiety and dislike of herself.

1561
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,760
The novel takes place over the course of four years of prep school,

1562
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,000
but Lee doesn't change one bit.

1563
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,840
And anyway, that's really what I wanted to read.

1564
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,000
- This book, I'm like, it has like a 3.44 as recording for,

1565
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,480
which is, I think, pretty low for like a New York Times best seller.

1566
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,560
So I do think this is one of those books that is divisive.

1567
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:19,880
It's like you see it, you're reading,

1568
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,440
you're like, I don't get it, or you, I guess, love it.

1569
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,760
Here's some five star reviews.

1570
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,440
Misa says, let me, first of all,

1571
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,280
if it prep is far from perfect,

1572
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:32,400
the foreshadowing was clunky.

1573
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,440
Occasionally I was bored and couldn't get through the entire novel.

1574
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,680
But then, heavy-sized, sin-filled did what I hadn't imagined anyone could do.

1575
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,080
She made me, we lived the most painful experience of high school

1576
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,760
with such honesty that was hard to believe

1577
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,400
that she wrote the book as an adult.

1578
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,840
I was astonished she was able to remember

1579
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,680
exactly how many of these situations felt

1580
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,480
with such vividness and sincerity.

1581
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,480
- That's true, it makes me wonder,

1582
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,400
did she have a diary or something?

1583
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,400
- But yeah, okay, sure.

1584
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,680
So this is five stars.

1585
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,920
So they were like, they said there were a lot of issues with this,

1586
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,080
but they still were like, yeah, very five stars.

1587
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,160
This one is from Lucy, she says,

1588
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,400
"The realism of this book is incredible.

1589
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,120
I've never identified with another character more than the protagonist's Lee,

1590
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,680
which is incredibly unfortunate because I then went on to read blog posts

1591
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,480
and reviews about this book and found out that for most readers,

1592
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,000
Lee was the most, oh my god, protagonist,

1593
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,840
he had ever been in the head of...

1594
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,240
- Oh my god, Lucy!

1595
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,360
- That's really funny.

1596
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,800
- Sorry, Lucy.

1597
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,000
- I was gonna hide Clara.

1598
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,680
- Hey, what's up? Sorry, miss everything.

1599
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,000
- Oh, good. - No.

1600
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
- We'll keep rolling another hour.

1601
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,080
- No, kidding.

1602
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:54,960
- We're going to, I guess, then, you know,

1603
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,720
this is a great, we're going into hate rates.

1604
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,000
So Clara, would you like to give us your hand?

1605
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,640
- I'm gonna say, I don't know what's been discussed,

1606
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,280
but I'm gonna go zero out of five.

1607
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,600
- Okay, hell yeah.

1608
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,320
- Unbearable book, unbearable person.

1609
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,800
She's not even a real person, she's so unbearable.

1610
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,520
And the fact that Clara just sit and felt,

1611
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,600
think she is a real person, makes me hate Kurt Siton.

1612
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,640
Kurt Siton felt quite a bit...

1613
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,920
- Clara, God, we can do this cast.

1614
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,520
- I'm so sorry to miss.

1615
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,360
Did you guys see all that stuff about

1616
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,840
Kurt Siton felt high school time?

1617
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:30,680
- Yeah.

1618
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:31,520
- Oh yeah, yeah, that's true.

1619
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,920
- When she started a group and everyone was like,

1620
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,240
"Fuck off."

1621
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,120
- Yes, yeah. - Yeah, family group.

1622
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,000
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1623
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,440
- Also, we didn't talk about this,

1624
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,680
but just in a quick Google,

1625
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,680
her, this Kurt Siton felt brother,

1626
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,000
is like some sort of Ohio politician

1627
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,760
that got caught by the FBI,

1628
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,560
I don't know, doing some illegal shit was put in jail

1629
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,840
and was just pardoned by Trump like two months ago.

1630
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,200
- Oh my God.

1631
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:01,600
- So really weird.

1632
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,240
So she does have a brother, by the way,

1633
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,360
that I forgot, I did know that, but,

1634
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,560
all right, let's do more hate rates.

1635
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,480
Anybody else?

1636
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:13,800
- Anybody else?

1637
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,640
- I have one, my hate rate,

1638
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,280
it's one out of five, it's one out of five.

1639
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:27,280
It, like, I didn't find myself tortured to be listening to it.

1640
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:32,800
I just didn't ever find myself wanting

1641
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,120
to be listening to it.

1642
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:39,120
And I think I've stated where I am on the racism,

1643
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,400
if not, I was opposed.

1644
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:46,400
And I think I've stated where I was on the main character,

1645
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,080
Lee, I was opposed.

1646
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,680
- Oh good, you guys did the racism.

1647
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:53,520
- I believed it.

1648
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,160
- Yeah, it's hard to speak.

1649
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,280
We caught it too, or if you can believe it,

1650
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:58,120
- Oh, yeah.

1651
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,640
- I'm gonna go one out of five.

1652
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,000
I feel like Lee Fiora is what's wrong with the world.

1653
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,400
And like, if we're just gonna have a world of Lee Fiora's,

1654
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,160
I'd rather just not have an earth.

1655
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,800
Like, that's, we tried.

1656
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,200
You know, it's like if you're,

1657
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:20,160
if the only kind of potato chips are kettle baked potato chips,

1658
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,320
I'd rather just never have potato chips.

1659
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,720
- A lot of people are really like kettle.

1660
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,920
- Yeah, well, a lot of people really don't.

1661
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,040
- But I guess it's a New York Times best seller

1662
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,560
for 13 weeks, so a lot of people will really like this too.

1663
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,720
- A lot of people like ice cold water.

1664
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:33,920
- It likes the cover.

1665
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,560
It likes the cover.

1666
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,720
Claire, where do you land on ice cold water

1667
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,000
versus room temperature?

1668
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,880
- I guess it sort of depends on my temperature,

1669
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,240
but in the summer, I would prefer ice cold.

1670
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,000
- And in the winter room temperature?

1671
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,000
- I guess, yeah.

1672
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,360
- I'd rather bring the air between us yet again.

1673
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,840
- Or is it, in the winter you'd prefer chilled,

1674
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,160
just not ice cold.

1675
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,240
- Yeah, yeah, in the winter I'd prefer chilled,

1676
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,480
but not ice cold.

1677
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:02,040
- We don't think I'd really allow

1678
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,680
the ever that much warm room temperature.

1679
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:04,680
- You know what, is there,

1680
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,360
is there something about like warm water is fat

1681
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,120
you can drink it faster?

1682
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,160
- Yeah, for sure.

1683
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,240
- Room temperature.

1684
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,920
- 'Cause it doesn't take you barely any calories should digest it.

1685
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,760
- That's why.

1686
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,880
- I would try these waters, they're called hint.

1687
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,880
And it's like a flavored water,

1688
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,840
it's like flavored salsa,

1689
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,120
but without all the acidity fat, a sore throat.

1690
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:26,960
- Those are good.

1691
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,040
- For a few weeks, yeah, they're good.

1692
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,680
- Sorry, now just 'cause we were talking

1693
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,760
to go back around, 'cause I said,

1694
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,280
made a claim about room temperature being healthy for you.

1695
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,640
This was, this is the room temperature fact.

1696
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,640
It is often considered,

1697
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,640
to hydrate you more quickly and effectively

1698
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,080
than cold water, as it is more readily,

1699
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,840
readily absorbed by the body.

1700
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,440
So it can be processed and absorbed faster,

1701
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,600
leading to quick hydration.

1702
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,800
Okay, so what John said was correct about the cold water,

1703
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,680
but there is a benefit to room temperature water.

1704
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,200
If you're carrying that out.

1705
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,320
- Most important part is John was correct.

1706
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,560
I think you can edit the rest out.

1707
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,040
- I'm gonna give this a 2.5 out of five.

1708
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:12,880
- What?

1709
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,560
- I'm shocked.

1710
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,720
- I'm shocked.

1711
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,920
- I know it's because the writing was so good.

1712
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,400
I can't deny the writing was so good.

1713
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,240
And I'm fine.

1714
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:23,880
- Are you trying to intern for Curtis

1715
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:24,880
that didn't fell right away?

1716
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,120
- I just thought, and I think why I keep thinking about it

1717
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,160
is like, there are moments in the book that did affect me

1718
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,080
when it was like nothing happening.

1719
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,840
And it was because the writing was good.

1720
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,400
It's 'cause like, she did a really good job

1721
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,800
of putting me in Lee's head.

1722
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,200
And I will say, and the reason why it only is 2.5 is

1723
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,640
'cause I did not want to be there

1724
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,240
because she's a horrible, horrible person,

1725
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,200
but I still think that I was impressed by it.

1726
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,360
And really, really up to the end.

1727
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,920
I was still like, maybe something will happen

1728
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:00,920
that will make it all worth it.

1729
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,760
Maybe something will happen.

1730
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,840
And no, the thing never happened,

1731
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,720
but the fact that she was able to, you know,

1732
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,440
take me along that, have tricked me into having that belief

1733
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,680
that, oh, surely there must be a purpose to this.

1734
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,680
- That's true.

1735
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,400
- I, I don't know, I applaud it.

1736
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:20,240
So I give it a little bit of--

1737
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,920
- I was tricked too.

1738
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:22,800
- She tricked me.

1739
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,920
Good job.

1740
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,600
I also just think maybe this was better than the other books

1741
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,920
we read by Curtis and fell tonight on Remember

1742
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:29,880
when I ranked them.

1743
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,200
So that's also why.

1744
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,800
(laughs)

1745
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,520
- We had to break that SNL one pretty low.

1746
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,520
- Yeah, I remember, I hated those on other levels.

1747
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,120
Yeah, we already talked about Clinton's penis, but,

1748
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,440
all right. - Good, good.

1749
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:45,440
- All right, hey, good. - Good.

1750
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:46,280
- Good.

1751
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,920
All right, little fucker.

1752
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,520
Well, John is gone, sorry.

1753
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,960
(laughs)

1754
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,680
- I was gonna say it's pretty hard for me to pick,

1755
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,440
'cause I just don't have,

1756
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:03,480
but I mean, John had to leave 'cause she had a mind grade.

1757
01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:06,360
So, John, it's my fault.

1758
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,720
(laughs)

1759
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,040
I mean, look, I was gonna say,

1760
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,600
John, just because of this little water back and forth.

1761
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,640
(laughs)

1762
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,000
Also, she mocked me because I accidentally skipped going over.

1763
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,040
Well, that was funny.

1764
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,040
I'm actually not mad at her.

1765
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,520
It's the water back and forth for me,

1766
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:27,840
so I'm gonna go John.

1767
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:34,480
- I'm, okay, I was gonna go John, you know,

1768
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,360
just because the aura is there,

1769
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,160
but I actually remembered something.

1770
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,600
And I'm gonna vote for Sarah, and here's why.

1771
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,200
- Okay.

1772
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,920
- It's because Clara, I had a brilliant idea

1773
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,240
about how to read your summary, which was to go.

1774
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,240
- Oh, okay.

1775
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,400
- John, Sarah, you're gonna have to do it.

1776
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,160
- I wanna hear Clara thinks about this.

1777
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,200
- And then we did it, and then it's--

1778
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,760
- You understand what we're saying, Clara,

1779
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,480
each of us said a word.

1780
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,400
- We had one word. - We had one word.

1781
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,320
- I don't, I don't like it.

1782
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,320
- Yeah, okay, exactly, exactly.

1783
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,840
- And then, remember Clara that your vote's already locked in?

1784
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,960
(laughs)

1785
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,480
But then at the end of doing that,

1786
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:15,920
which I think went really well,

1787
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,400
except for John is stepping on my line once,

1788
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:23,720
then Sarah said, "Clarer is gonna hate that.

1789
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,040
Let me just read it through."

1790
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,480
(laughs)

1791
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:32,240
And then she failed on her first attempt.

1792
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:33,240
- Okay.

1793
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:34,840
- Then got it.

1794
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,040
- Okay, I don't think I nailed it.

1795
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,360
- I don't, so you know,

1796
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,000
- Wow, I appreciate it.

1797
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,280
- Sarah, you knew me.

1798
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,280
- Yeah, I knew.

1799
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,280
- I knew you.

1800
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,120
- I love it.

1801
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,080
- It put you in it for a short, but you know what?

1802
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:49,920
- You for sure, how about you?

1803
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,960
- And I hope,

1804
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,720
- I hope Blake keeps both in.

1805
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,800
- Sure, you know what?

1806
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,040
- It's in his word and now.

1807
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,000
- I don't care if he keeps both in.

1808
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,760
(laughs)

1809
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,640
- All right, congratulations, Johnna.

1810
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,800
- I know you were not here, you don't get to vote.

1811
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,400
You had a migraine and had to leave.

1812
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,320
This book was so painful to Johnna,

1813
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,240
she got a migraine and she is therefore

1814
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,560
a little fucker of the cast.

1815
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,840
- When I signed on and her head was in her hands,

1816
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,720
I assumed it was because of the book.

1817
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,560
(laughs)

1818
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:16,400
- Yeah.

1819
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,160
- I'm glad she said she had a migraine

1820
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,640
'cause at one point I was talking

1821
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,280
and she just started doing that and I was like,

1822
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,120
(laughs)

1823
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,720
- She really does not like what I'm saying.

1824
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,640
- Like, should I keep going?

1825
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,280
All right guys, but we.

1826
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:31,880
You gotta do a prettiest princess.

1827
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:32,720
- Oh yeah.

1828
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,960
- I'll vote for Sabrina.

1829
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,720
- Oh my God, thank you.

1830
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,520
- Oh, I shouldn't have.

1831
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,800
You just talked about puttering my submarine, but.

1832
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,880
- Yeah, I guess I'll have to vote for myself too.

1833
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,640
I am wearing this pink tank top.

1834
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,320
- All right, all of up for Clara, it doesn't matter.

1835
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,320
I guess Sabrina's prettiest princess.

1836
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,160
- But I like carrying them close.

1837
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:56,720
(laughs)

1838
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,480
- All right, you guys, next app,

1839
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:01,800
we have We Were Liars,

1840
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,640
(laughs)

1841
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,640
- E Lockhart.

1842
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,960
- And we have a very special guess.

1843
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,560
We will be promoting our socials for that.

1844
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,240
So look out, very fun.

1845
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,720
We have some guests this season, isn't that?

1846
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,560
Look at us getting back into things,

1847
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,920
trying to produce episodes ahead of time, et cetera, et cetera.

1848
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,720
But join our Patreon, become a patron, please.

1849
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,600
As you can see, we are utilizing your donations

1850
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,480
to purchase books to read and then make content for you.

1851
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:33,480
So please do and yeah, I guess we'll see you next time.

1852
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:36,160
- See you next time, guys.

1853
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,160
- Yeah. - All right.

1854
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,960
- Bye. - Holy crap.

1855
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,280
- Bye. - Bye.

1856
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,880
(upbeat music)

1857
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,460
(upbeat music)

1858
01:16:45,460 --> 01:16:56,400
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1859
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,980
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1860
01:16:58,980 --> 01:17:01,560
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