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call them that for the rest of their lives, that's a poor parenting move.

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And you know what?

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Guess what happened to liars?

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And they burned a house down.

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I missed it when I read the book.

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I missed it in the TV show, and I missed it the second time I read the book.

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You start a fire, stand nearby with your yes, can, soak your own clothes.

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The relationship between the liars was inspired by Lockhart's quote, "fantasy" of having

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close friends grow.

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Oh no!

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Oh no!

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It's not good!

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Can I say something positive?

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No!

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Shut up!

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Hello everyone and welcome back to Mean Book Club.

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This week we read We Were Liars by E. Lockhart.

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Mysterious!

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Mysterious!

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What does the E mean?

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What does the title mean?

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As always we are your hosts.

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I'm Sarah Burton.

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Hey I'm Clara Morris.

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Hello, I'm Johnna Scravest.

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I am Sabrina B. Jordan.

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Well perfect intro to the perfect host.

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And as always, being book club, we read New York Times bestsellers that maybe shouldn't

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be, you recommend them, etc.

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But we have a very, very special guest.

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Johnna would you like to do the honor?

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I would love to do this honor best known for his work as an improviser on the infamous

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UCB New York Lloyd team never, never.

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Our guest is the writer, director, actor and creative force behind Boya Raste, The Gift,

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and this year, South by Southwest Hit, I don't understand you starring Nick Crowle and Amanda

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Safrid from drama to dark comedy he does it all, and he's here to shake things up.

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David Joseph Craig!

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You're all liars, you're liars.

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Oh my god, I'm flattered.

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Not to be so young, guys.

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I dyed my hair just for you guys.

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Oh my god, it is a very nice youthful white blonde.

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Thank you.

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It's fun, it's summer.

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It is.

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Thank you very much.

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I did it once or twice before that were just like one time things and now I'm going for it.

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It looks great.

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I love talking about hair on a podcast.

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On a podcast, yeah.

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As always.

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Can we all just talk about what we look like right now?

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How beautiful.

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We all learn.

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Oh, study, I think we all learn.

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Double, I'm the most beautiful.

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I don't want to use you, Sabrina, coming in.

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I'm not gonna compliment you.

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We were all complimenting each other.

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I am happy about my hair today.

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Your hair is cute.

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Okay, so David, we're so excited to have you.

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I mean, it's gonna be world friends.

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This is gonna be so fun.

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And besides, you have your like a legit writer.

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Like you, you're gonna bring that perspective, you know, because also we were liars.

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It's also a big hit TV show now.

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I just found out.

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Has anybody watched me too?

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I guess, I guess, wait, wait, before I get into that.

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Yeah, let me ask everyone.

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What are we doing this year?

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No, no, we had to find out why we're reading this book.

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Why we read it?

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So John and we talk about how we read it.

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Why we read it this book?

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Okay, so Alexis, do you recommend it?

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Single day.

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Yes, Alexis, single day, recommend it.

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Hey y'all, sorry to come on so strong in the subject line.

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Well, we didn't have that written down.

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So I in a panic moments before we started to go back to the email.

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The email, subject line was all caps.

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The perfect book suggestion, a literal New York time best seller,

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I swear on my life.

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So David, we asked for recommendations constantly and we last season had a real rough season

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because people would recommend things they'd be like, we think it's a best seller

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and we'd be like, great, we won't double check.

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You know, trust you until we're literally recording.

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And we'd record and then we'd be like, oh my god, it's not.

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So people know they know they have to say certain buzzwords to get their books on anymore.

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And one of them is, I swear on my life.

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Was it actually the author because that would be what I would assume?

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Yes, oftentimes it's a New York Times best selling author and the book isn't.

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And we've been screwed by that number of times.

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National best seller tricks us as well.

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Caldecott award winning.

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Yes, that'll get us.

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Alexis goes on, it would be such an honor to have a book I recommend it on the cast.

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I've been such a huge fan of your podcast from the beginning,

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even though I don't read along, you don't have to.

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Nobody has to, that's the joy of it.

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My friend recommended this book to me and I both hated it and could not put it down.

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The ending was literally the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.

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And I had to take a 10 minute walk to play steam after processing how insane it was.

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I felt bad, ranting to my friend about how stupid I thought it was.

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Only to find out she gave it five stars on goodreads.

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I hope we have that goodreads review.

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Oh my gosh, yeah, we should have asked.

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Maybe you will validate my hatred.

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Most importantly, the book is short.

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Okay, the rest of you know was flattering to us because about how specific it gets.

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Mine's even shorter now because my dog ate it.

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Oh, literally.

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The dog knows, okay, I mean spoiler alert, but the dog knows what happens at the end,

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trying to get rid of that.

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Oh yeah, he was like, you can't read this part.

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Okay, really bad you guys.

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All right, all right, keep going.

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Jay, or you don't, you're not going to read that.

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That's it.

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It does end with a link to it being a bestseller.

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And I cannot wait to listen to this episode with a wink face, which I absolutely love.

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I thought Sabrina would love it because it really manifests us doing it.

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Yeah, hell yeah.

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The wink face is backwards.

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I just got to say, but I'll accept it.

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All right, real, real criticism of Alexis, thank you for the wrecked.

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Prenticey then, semi colon.

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But I think that's cool.

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It means Alexis is different.

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They're, you know, they're, they're on thinker.

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They don't need to do a smiley any kind of way.

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They do it how they want.

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All right.

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Well, how'd you guys read this book?

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Did you get it from the library?

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Do you have to buy it?

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Do you do audio book?

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What'd you do?

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David.

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I, I, I, I am a Zondet.

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And then I worried because like I said, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was worried I wouldn't get through the end of the book.

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And so I had to Amazon it again.

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But as the other Amazon was coming, I read the book.

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And I realized I got all the way through it because there's like, there's literally like pages and pages of appendix on the book.

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And that's actually what my dog ate.

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So I, so, so, there's 50 pages.

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Yeah, wait, what is it?

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Yeah, maybe you don't know the answer because they've been chewed away, but what could they be appendix?

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How does this book warrant an appendix?

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I don't know.

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There's acknowledgements.

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Then there's bonus content.

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Oh, some bonus.

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So there's a note from E Lockhart.

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What cadence found notes and poems from Gat?

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I read them on one of the reads something less.

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An original hand drawn map of Beachwood Island.

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Oh, I like a little.

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This reminds me of like papers I've written where I'm like, and now here are photos I took of my writing process.

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The original hand drawn, single player family tree.

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And then a whole piece about how I wrote we were liars, which I would assume would be in her fever tree.

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Yeah.

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And then we were liars book club meeting.

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Oh, shit.

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Intr...

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I will say the family tree and the map probably were added because they were so poorly described in the book.

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Yeah, that's less of an appendix and more of a must have item.

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I did just did audiobooks.

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I listened to the audiobook, although I don't know if the reader was like the actress in the show.

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The voice is very grating.

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It's like, "Apa da na na, aapa, mama, drinks to mama."

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Oh, I got the fucking mummy.

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Yeah, mummy.

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It was not a good, I also did audiobook.

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And I really didn't like the reader, the reader.

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She said, "Liberry?"

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Oh, yeah.

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You can't be a book reader.

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So I did a different job.

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Or learn to say it.

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You simply can't.

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You have to say the word that's the king of books.

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You have to know how to say it.

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I had a little journey with this book as I always do.

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Requested from the library was like 1000th on the list.

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It did.

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I did use that.

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That's upsetting.

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I used the audible subscription.

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I mean, why is it?

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Use, use, use libraries.

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That's a good thing though, right?

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That is true.

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Although I suspect it's all people my age watching the TV show.

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But I also, so I listened to the book.

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I then, I binge the whole show this weekend.

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Oh, okay.

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So I can watch it.

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And then like so many more things happened in the TV show,

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which like wasn't hard to believe because I felt so little had happened in the book.

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Then I started to question myself.

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I was like, maybe I didn't pay attention in the book at all.

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So today I listened, I re-listen to three quarters of the book to confirm that in, in fact, lacked all the plot that I taught it back.

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I just searched for an article that said, "Different sources between the book and the TV show."

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Are you watching this?

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You've just read that article.

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I watched two episodes of it.

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I've not, I didn't finish it.

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Is it good?

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I think it's better than the book.

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But I only made two episodes, so I don't know.

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There's a gummer in there, isn't there?

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There's two.

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Yes.

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There's a gummer in there.

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Oh, a gummer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Of the street gummers.

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Of the street gummers.

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But yeah, okay.

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So there we go.

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I'm glad David, you can let us know how the, how's the texture of the cover since you have the book on hand.

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That's another visual segment we occasionally insist on doing.

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It's called, describe a book by its cover and take all the time you want, David.

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It's called, "Judge a book by its cover."

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Okay, well, we haven't done it in a while.

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Sean.

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But take your time.

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Tell us what's the book feel?

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What does it say to you?

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Trash.

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Okay.

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It feels like trash.

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Yeah.

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Well, also because my dog, all right, he's knurled it up.

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Honestly, I think he made it into an art project a little bit, which is quite nice because it adds some texture and some plot to the book.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, if you put that in a free, little free library, I might be intrigued.

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Like, oh, so good that it was ripped up.

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What's, what happened here?

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What's the book story?

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Gobbled right up.

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But all right, guys, what is this?

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Sorry.

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I see a new segment on our outline that says, "Johnna's just the facts.

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What is that?"

254
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That is the summary of the book.

255
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Okay.

256
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Okay, sorry.

257
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I was tired of doing my summaries to Sabrina sums it up in our outline.

258
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Okay, okay.

259
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So, I feel like Sarah was ready to kill you for your first time in a new segment.

260
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For everyone is listening, it's still Sabrina sums it up, no matter who writes it.

261
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I did it for years.

262
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Okay, all right.

263
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Did you do it tonight?

264
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It's fine.

265
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Yeah.

266
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Thank you.

267
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I'm ready.

268
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I'm going to have SAG after.

269
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No, I'm going to have WGA come after you for taking credit for other writer's work.

270
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That's crazy.

271
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Good luck.

272
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Almost all the screen I've been in.

273
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I'm going to cause it luck.

274
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Works in.

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Also, before we get into this, Johnna, I have to ask.

276
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Yes.

277
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I mean, we're going to talk about the spoiler because the spoiler is the book.

278
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Do you touch on it in your summary?

279
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It's touched.

280
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A lot.

281
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Okay, great.

282
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I'm just going to throw out their spoiler alert.

283
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I mean, but honestly, if you're listening to us, you're not going to read the book or you already read it.

284
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And you want to hear us rant about it.

285
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So, just keep it.

286
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I don't feel bad if we accidentally waste four hours of your life because that's how long it takes to read the spoiler.

287
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It's a part team or something like that.

288
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I can tell you right now.

289
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You are correct.

290
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It's 2014.

291
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Wow.

292
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I guess we might spoil it so that people are going to watch it on TV.

293
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But you'll be okay.

294
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You'll be okay.

295
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You'll be okay.

296
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You'll be all right.

297
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I guess, you know, you could skip ahead.

298
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We usually put music around this.

299
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So, skip ahead if you must.

300
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Although, I wouldn't because it's really special.

301
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Sarah recommended that I do this to the tune of Hillary Duff's 2003.

302
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Hit, come clean.

303
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And I did go ahead and write the summary.

304
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So, is anyone familiar with come clean, familiar enough to...

305
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This is audio podcast.

306
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Yes.

307
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Yes.

308
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Great.

309
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So, I guess we want to then sing it.

310
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You want David to sing it?

311
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I'm not singing it.

312
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You raise his hand so excitedly.

313
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So excited.

314
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I'm, you have to sing it.

315
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You have to sing it.

316
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Or Sabrina, I guess.

317
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Great.

318
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I really thought Sabrina would do this.

319
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I don't know this song.

320
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Okay.

321
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No.

322
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No.

323
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That was like, you know it.

324
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But I don't want to sing it.

325
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I have a horrible singing voice.

326
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Let me wash away.

327
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That's it.

328
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You do not.

329
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That's it.

330
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You do not.

331
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So, it seems like you do know it.

332
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Okay.

333
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I didn't expect to be the one to sing this.

334
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But I'll do my best.

335
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Did you listen to the song beforehand?

336
00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,720
No.

337
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Oh, fantastic.

338
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That was great.

339
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I remember.

340
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This is going to go on playing it now.

341
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Yes.

342
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Me, but that's fine.

343
00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,720
Okay.

344
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Well, let's go back.

345
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Back to the beginning.

346
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David Claire notoriously does like music.

347
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Okay.

348
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That's fine.

349
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That's fine.

350
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That's fine.

351
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Okay.

352
00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,720
I don't think I'm going to be able to sing it.

353
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She has a pretty high voice.

354
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But I think I can...

355
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Bring it down if you're active.

356
00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,720
Yeah, for you.

357
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A few.

358
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Why don't you open like a...

359
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Maybe just one octave?

360
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Like that usually where.

361
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I know.

362
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,720
Can you bring open it?

363
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Can you bring open it?

364
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No, sing it deep.

365
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Can you bring up a karaoke backing track?

366
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This is a disaster for me.

367
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Okay.

368
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I'm just going to...

369
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I think I'm just going to speak it.

370
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And we'll put...

371
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We'll have like put her audio under it.

372
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That's how this is going to work.

373
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That's...

374
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It's going to be a great song.

375
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No, the song...

376
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The karaoke version of the song is going to play under it.

377
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We are... no one is coming after us for this to pop right.

378
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I guarantee you, Hillary does.

379
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Lawyers are not gonna...

380
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Don't sharky.

381
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They...

382
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Her teeth might be that sharky.

383
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Okay.

384
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Oh, maybe.

385
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Whoa!

386
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This is not...

387
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So, those of sh*t teeth...

388
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This isn't about Hillary!

389
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,720
Okay, I'm just going to read it.

390
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And Blake, here is where you put the song underneath.

391
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Let's go back.

392
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Back to the beginning.

393
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Back to the money, the son, the rich teens, all alive.

394
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Yeah.

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I said, "That right there!"

557
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,140
I said, "What Rose - does he recommend?"

558
00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:47,120
And the wine man said some and I said, "Oh no!"

559
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,520
And he was like, "Oh that one's good, too!"

560
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,640
And I took it.

561
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,780
The bottle is beautiful.

562
00:21:54,780 --> 00:22:01,920
Obviously, the Hampton's a classic rich paradise major mecca for wealth.

563
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,200
So I think it pairs well with this book.

564
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,520
Also fun fact, it's made by John Bon Jovi and his son.

565
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,320
And I think that is fun.

566
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,320
-Josey.

567
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,320
-Wow.

568
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,960
It's, it's Jesse and John Bon Jovi as dedicated father and son through our partnership with

569
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,880
renowned wine maker Gerard Bartrand.

570
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,120
I imagine Gerard is pulling a lot of the wine weight.

571
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,720
I think he's probably doing a lot of the work on the wine head.

572
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,400
-I bet John Bon.

573
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,880
-He probably had the glass idea, right?

574
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,520
-I would think so.

575
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,200
He seems like a classy guy.

576
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,440
-Good price, too.

577
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,440
-I don't know.

578
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,440
-It's a great price.

579
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,280
-I like the Hampton water as a branding.

580
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,640
-It feels, I love it.

581
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,640
It's funny.

582
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,640
-I love it.

583
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,640
It feels decadent.

584
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,640
-I guess it feels like it exudes by...

585
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,640
-It exudes by...

586
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,880
-So like liquid death for you?

587
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,600
-I was like, "Oh, they can't, they can drink tap water there, huh?"

588
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,840
-Ritchie's, that was my first reaction.

589
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,200
Then it's like, "Oh, it's supposed to be a little joke.

590
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Hampton water is just wine.

591
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,200
It's a little joke."

592
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,200
-Yeah.

593
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,200
-Now I'm pissed, I'm pissed.

594
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,800
-What do you think came out first?

595
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Ranch water or Hampton water?

596
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,320
Either way, I love ripping it off.

597
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520
-I don't know what Ranch water is.

598
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,280
-It's hard-seltzer targeted to straight men.

599
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,280
-No one here.

600
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,280
-I know what Ranch water is.

601
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,280
-I know what Ranch water is.

602
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,280
-I know what Ranch water is.

603
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,280
-I know what really well.

604
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,280
-I know what Ranch water is.

605
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,760
-So it brings up Ranch water.

606
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,760
-I know what the silence falls over the room.

607
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,760
-I'm shit.

608
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,760
-I know Ranch dipping sauce.

609
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,760
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

610
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,760
-Yum, yum, yum, yum.

611
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,760
-Love that.

612
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,360
-Ritchwater was, I thought it was a cocktail you can get like in Texas.

613
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,360
-Maybe that's what it's by your own.

614
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,360
-It's like a tequila-based cocktail.

615
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,200
-Yeah, it's also a brand.

616
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,200
-Okay, it's also a brand.

617
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,400
-I thought it was like the runoff water if you like spray a horse now.

618
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,400
-Yeah.

619
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
-That's probably where it came from, right?

620
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,400
-Some tough association.

621
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,400
-What's this taste like?

622
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,400
-What's this taste like?

623
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,400
-I'm a leaky.

624
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,400
-Let's put some chocolate in it.

625
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400
-Let's put some chocolate in it.

626
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:32,040
-Alright, so this, John, give us some background on the book.

627
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040
-Okay.

628
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,800
-So, Alexis was correct.

629
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,480
It debuted as number six in the New York Times bestseller among the young adult category,

630
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:49,960
where I guess anyone can just write a book and it could be a bestseller based on this one.

631
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,200
Goodreads Determined was the most searched standalone title of 2014.

632
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,680
It was somehow marketed as a psychological thriller.

633
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,680
-But...

634
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,680
-Yeah.

635
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,240
-That's a psychological thriller we read there, folks.

636
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,840
To promote, we were liars without giving too much of the plot away.

637
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,840
Sorry.

638
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,480
A blog on Tumblr was created that focused on the aesthetics of the Sinclair's Island

639
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,000
with quotes.

640
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,440
The promotional material urged readers to quote, "Just lie" if they were asked about the

641
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,440
ending.

642
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,840
I guess the lie was like, "It was good.

643
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,880
I enjoyed it."

644
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,880
-Thanks, Clara.

645
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,880
-I liked it.

646
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,880
-Nobody else did that stuff.

647
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,880
-Yes.

648
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:47,960
This series was greenlit by Amazon and it premiered June 18th, 2025 with a full eight episodes.

649
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,400
This is all just so upsetting to me, every detail more upsetting.

650
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,520
-They're like 53 minutes long.

651
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,960
The series is longer than the audience.

652
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,960
-That's crazy.

653
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,960
I am surprised that they didn't look at this book and say it's a movie and said they were

654
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,960
like...

655
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,920
-I guess because they maybe looked at it and were like, "We can...

656
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,920
There's nothing in here.

657
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,960
We can write whatever we want."

658
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,640
-No, honestly, that's why I'm curious about the series because I'm like, "Oh, if you made

659
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,360
this a movie, it would be a short film."

660
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:27,560
But with a series, you actually could create something that feels more like...

661
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,240
I haven't watched the series, but I feel like it's in the whole nine perfect strangers

662
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720
kind of zeitgeist world.

663
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,720
-Yes.

664
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:45,560
-It's like you focus on one thing for a huge amount of time and you allow it to just break

665
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,560
for...

666
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,560
I bet the series is better.

667
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,560
-Yes.

668
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Well, here's what I'll say is...

669
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,360
Actually, I feel that there's so little in the book that that's why they had to...

670
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,360
-Yeah.

671
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,160
-Make up full plot points.

672
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,240
And there'd be a whole episode and I was watching it with my wife and my friend who was

673
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,760
visiting from out of town.

674
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,920
I was like, "Part of what we're doing this weekend is watching this whole series."

675
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,920
-Yeah.

676
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,200
-But they were like, "Don't tell us what happens."

677
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,360
And I was like, "Well, I couldn't possibly because nothing happened in the book."

678
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:27,120
-Yes, very true.

679
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,120
I agree.

680
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:36,120
I just like even watching the first two episodes, it was like, "Oh, each of the mom characters,

681
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:41,120
the mummies, they have a background and there's something going on."

682
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:42,120
Like, "Oh, she's cheating."

683
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,880
And like, "Oh, there's something...

684
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,920
There's stakes for every single character, which is definitely more interesting."

685
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,280
Even like Johnny, who we even talked about, but is one of the...

686
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,120
one of the liars he has...

687
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,120
-Why are they liars?

688
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,120
-Exactly.

689
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,120
-I guess.

690
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,000
-I missed it when I read the book.

691
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,040
I missed it in the TV show and I missed it the second time I read the book.

692
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,760
Meg, that's my wife, said that this is the TV show, so I don't even know if it was in

693
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,760
the book.

694
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,120
It was like something when they were like eight-year-olds, they stole candy online about

695
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,120
it.

696
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:21,120
-I think it's not the same for the liars.

697
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,120
-Is it...

698
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,120
-I don't think that was in the book.

699
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,120
-I'll tell you what.

700
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,120
-I don't think that was in the book.

701
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,120
-I don't think that was in the book.

702
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,120
-I sure didn't hear that.

703
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,840
-I think if your kids are eight and you're like, "Oh, they're the liars," and then you call

704
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,840
them that for the rest of their lives.

705
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,840
That's a poor parent's rule.

706
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,840
-Yeah, sure.

707
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,320
-These, the little ones, we call them the littles and the big ones, we call them the liars.

708
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,320
And you know what?

709
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Guess what happened to the liars?

710
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,920
They became criminals at the end of the book and they burned a house down, so that

711
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880
was manifested by the parents.

712
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,840
-Also, can I just say, who are the real liars not telling her the truth for that entire

713
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,840
year that she's back?

714
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:00,840
They're the liars.

715
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,880
-No, Dr. Jirkondation was to not tell it would happen because it would destroy her.

716
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,880
-You've got to follow the doctor.

717
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,040
-Janna, wait, before it, because I know we're about...

718
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,040
We're trying to dive in.

719
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,120
Do you want to give us any author info or...?

720
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,120
-Yes.

721
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:25,120
-E, what's Lockhart is really Emily Jenkins.

722
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,680
-That's a different name.

723
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,080
It's a different name.

724
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,080
And when she writes a young adult novel, she uses the pen name E Lockhart, which was her

725
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,760
grandmother's maiden name, something.

726
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,120
-Okay, but she has a point.

727
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,680
-I'm just saying Emily Jenkins is a kind of boo.

728
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,680
-Super boring name.

729
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,680
-I don't want to hear which is.

730
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680
-But maybe comfortable for a child.

731
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,680
-Emily Jenkins.

732
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680
-I'm Emily Jenkins.

733
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,680
I feel safe.

734
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,680
Great.

735
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680
E Lockhart, I feel dangerous.

736
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Sex.

737
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,680
Drugs.

738
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,360
-When does it mean crazy?

739
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Her Emily Jenkins.

740
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,560
It seems like her, one of her parents last name is just Jenkins.

741
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,840
So she even added the S.

742
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200
So she's a liar.

743
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,200
She says that she likes beachy gothics with plot twists, feminism and occasional comedy

744
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,720
in her Instagrams, which is like, yes, I'm so, yes, I'm there.

745
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,320
All of that stuff sounds great.

746
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080
It is not great here, unfortunately.

747
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,680
-It's a beach in it.

748
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
-It does have a beach in it at the end.

749
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,120
One of the things that was written up, the very mysterious figure, by the way.

750
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,000
She's one of those people that's like, I'm only an author, that's my only online presence.

751
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
You're not going to know anything about me personally.

752
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,960
One of the things that was highlighted was that she wrote, we were liars with, quote,

753
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,640
"knowledge of the ending," which is just like, wow, how revolutionary.

754
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Like, that's really cool.

755
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,640
You wrote it.

756
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,040
-To be fair, we have read other authors that are like, I just made it up as I went.

757
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560
-I have a plan and I should change it.

758
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,040
-If you can believe it, no outlaw.

759
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,400
The novel was written in five acts.

760
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,920
-You're going to say five words.

761
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,920
-We're going to say five words.

762
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,520
-I was like, "It's a funny thing."

763
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:22,720
-Paces of it were rearranged, particularly in the middle three, which is like, after you

764
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:30,280
read it, it makes so much sense that it is just like a collage of words.

765
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:36,120
And then the relationship between the liars was inspired by Lockhart's, quote, "fantasy"

766
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,920
of having close friends grow.

767
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,920
-Oh, no.

768
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,480
-It's like, oh, that is really sad.

769
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,920
-It is and it does read in the book.

770
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,920
It reads in the book.

771
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680
-I would say, but it's not really believable, friends.

772
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,600
-This is a fall.

773
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,280
-I wish you hadn't said that because now I'm going to feel like that.

774
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,480
-Well, but now she has money.

775
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,480
-That's true.

776
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
And I would trade money for all of them.

777
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,360
-That's why it's a best seller.

778
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,600
She's got her series.

779
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,200
That's why we're allowed to mock it.

780
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
-Okay, guys, don't still punching them.

781
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200
-Just because we're side friends going out.

782
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,440
-Also, I just want to clarify.

783
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,960
I said that in a backwards way.

784
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,200
I meant I would trade you for money, not that I wanted you and settle for money.

785
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,200
-Yeah, I understand.

786
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,200
-Yeah, no, no, no.

787
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,200
-You're saying that we're clear.

788
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200
-It was crystal clear.

789
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,240
-I think the tone was right, but the words I actually said were wrong.

790
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,240
-Great.

791
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,240
-I'm going to burn you.

792
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,680
-That's it for the author in the book.

793
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:42,160
I will just add, I think, before we kind of get into things, a little more context is this

794
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,920
book is about a stupid wealthy family who owns a private island near Martha's Vineyard

795
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,000
called Beechwood Island.

796
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Their name is Sinclair's and they spend their summers there.

797
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,400
And the island is organized as a de facto private state with four independent mansions

798
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:02,360
windmere at the north, cuddled down the northeast, red gate at the east, and Claremont

799
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,480
at the west with private tennis fields, beaches, and docks.

800
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,960
So just so you know, that sort of the setting for the Sinclair family is like them on their

801
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720
island in their mansions.

802
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
-Honestly, my wife haven't.

803
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,360
Like we're in.

804
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,360
-Yeah, we're in.

805
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:26,240
-Also, I feel like it's important to point out that the book is like a lot of purple prose

806
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:34,000
and like odd sentence structure, which like like a like ee Cummings type shit where it's

807
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:41,240
just like cutting stuff off midway and it's like choppy and really dramatic imagery, I guess

808
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,400
that's supposed to be like the teenager, but also it really threw me off.

809
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:53,880
And this is where I'm curious of this through anybody else off because early in the book,

810
00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:01,720
you find out that the main character, Caden's, Katie, her parents divorced and she's talking

811
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,200
about like before this, there's a lot of like, I don't know what happened.

812
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,760
I don't remember and we're cutting back and forth between like these few different summers.

813
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,960
And then this, I'm just going to read what it says.

814
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,800
This is when her dad's leaving.

815
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,280
Then he pulled out a, yeah, this then he pulled out a handgun and shot me in the chest.

816
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,840
I was standing on the lawn and I fell, the bullet hole opened wide and my heart rolled out

817
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,200
of my ribcage and down into the flower bed, blood gushed rhythmically from my open room,

818
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,360
bed from my eyes, my ears, my heart.

819
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:38,120
Sarah, I'm holding back laughter with this, you sicko.

820
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440
That never happened again, that never happened again.

821
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,160
It was, it was a description of how she felt.

822
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,160
Metaphorical.

823
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,280
But it was so unclear.

824
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:54,080
I was like, oh, so that's the thing that happened that like caused, she got shot and that's where

825
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,760
the memory is like it's going through and it continues.

826
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,280
But I don't think that was the purpose of it.

827
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,720
I think it was supposed to be like dramatic prose, but like I'm just kept going reading

828
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,240
the book and being like at first I was like, oh, what, she's like, what happened?

829
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,360
I'm like, well, we know what happened as the reader.

830
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,320
She already told us she got shot by her dad.

831
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,920
I'm wondering how that's going to all like, hook back up to this.

832
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Oh, I got to treat for a second.

833
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,840
I figured it out.

834
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,480
I thought that was something that really happened, guys.

835
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,680
I thought that for a second.

836
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:36,240
So what's crazy about it is though that like as an author, that type of writing never happens

837
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,760
again in the book.

838
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,000
It's not like she doesn't just like narrate something that didn't happen unless she's saying

839
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,200
like the king has princesses and you know that.

840
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:54,080
That was that was that was when I realized that that earlier part was prose was when she

841
00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,840
started doing like the like the three daughter stuff and like all that other stuff.

842
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,680
But but that was all italicized.

843
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,120
But the part about her getting shot was not italicized, which should have been because if

844
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,480
it was italicized, I would have known it was prose and connected to the other stuff.

845
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,920
It was so weird and I she does bring it up multiple other times in the book.

846
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,920
I have to I hate the job.

847
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,240
The like blood spilling and my heart.

848
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,720
I agree, but I feel like she does it.

849
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:28,720
It's not real.

850
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,480
But it's always her head.

851
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,480
Right.

852
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Yeah, that's about her head.

853
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,800
She's like her head like her skull cracking open and that is true.

854
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,720
Oh, like that's more of a way I would I've like heard people describe pain.

855
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,240
It like it's like it's like this.

856
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,160
And not it was it wasn't the way it was.

857
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,160
It wasn't true.

858
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,800
It was it was it anyway.

859
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,600
So for I don't I don't know how but there was a good portion of the book that I just thought

860
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:01,240
that that was I didn't think I thought that that's what caused the head injury that she

861
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,920
was shot and that she was trying to figure out and then I was like had to eventually I

862
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,720
guess like David was saying realizing what the prose is like, oh, wait, was that that wasn't

863
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,520
something that actually happened.

864
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,680
No, she's not talking about it again.

865
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,680
But like the whole premise is like don't talk about it.

866
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Don't talk about it.

867
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680
Nobody tell her about it.

868
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,520
So like it made sense to me that it wasn't brought up again.

869
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,520
I don't know.

870
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,280
It was weird.

871
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
I think the thing was as we never met him.

872
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Yeah.

873
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000
That's true.

874
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,480
So why would that's the other thing like when I think about how she met it.

875
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,360
It's like it was that dramatic to her.

876
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,240
But like she never talks about her dad or like you ever see her interactive with anybody

877
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,520
else about like how much she misses her dad or like the only talking about her dad is when

878
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,560
she goes on the trip with him.

879
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:54,560
And she's like, which is cool, which is a crazy trip because who goes to like Italy and

880
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:00,520
all these places and it's just like rolling their eyes at everything and just wants to stay

881
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,640
in the hotel like what the fuck?

882
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,560
I mean, I could see any teenager feeling that way.

883
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,760
Come on by the teenagers, you like interested.

884
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,560
You know that this stuff is important.

885
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Like even if she liked it, but like she's like crazy red and she's got so much access.

886
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,200
But like culture.

887
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,480
You'd want to have an also she wants to be with her friends.

888
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,480
It doesn't make sense.

889
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,480
It does it.

890
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Not how she does it makes sense because she was missing the widest book I've ever read.

891
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,640
No, yes.

892
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,640
It really is.

893
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,080
But there's an Indian guy.

894
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,120
It really, really is.

895
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,120
What?

896
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,120
Gat Patel.

897
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,960
I don't forget two Hispanic workers.

898
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Would they make sure to mention?

899
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Yes.

900
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,880
She does not know she also like is like, I don't know their names, which is I thought funny

901
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,600
because I did notice that in the series they changed it that she thought think she

902
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,680
knows their names, but she's wrong about the names as opposed to just being like in the

903
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,680
book.

904
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,840
I never, never, never, never, never heard anything that I would ever want.

905
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,840
You know what I mean?

906
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,840
It's just.

907
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,080
It was like, I don't, yeah, these people are just, it's hard because nobody's likeable in this

908
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,080
book.

909
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Maybe except Gat.

910
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,080
You maybe feel bad a little.

911
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,080
No, he's not like.

912
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Oh, he's got potential.

913
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,080
So, man.

914
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080
I'm actually.

915
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:28,600
I mean, he writes the books he wants to read on his legs that summer.

916
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,280
It's like, that's it.

917
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,320
Why are you doing it with Sharpie and rewriting them every day?

918
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,040
Because you don't read a book at a day.

919
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Are you not showering?

920
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,680
What's happening?

921
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:44,640
I had a hard time with like, I was like, is this taking place in modern times with cell phones

922
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:50,720
because sometimes they're reading, oh, there's no reception on the island.

923
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,720
Tricky fine.

924
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:52,720
Fine.

925
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,360
So I would say don't have anything to say.

926
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,200
It's a good plot.

927
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:03,920
That's a little way of getting away with something.

928
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Something that I didn't like catch on to until I was watching the TV show is it was definitely

929
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,640
a way to hide the reveal of saying that there was no reception on the island and then also

930
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,080
her traumatic brain injury.

931
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,200
They took her phone and her screens away from her.

932
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:28,680
So despite the fact that there were two years between when the big trauma happened and

933
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,000
when she goes back, it was condensed to one year in the series.

934
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,920
It is better, but still, it's still a lot.

935
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,760
It's hard to rebuild a house in that time.

936
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,000
It's still hard to imagine like, wait, why did nobody respond to you?

937
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Like, really?

938
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480
They were all just told not to and nobody even tried to say anything once.

939
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Like it was weird.

940
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Right.

941
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,400
But the problem is I feel like I didn't think like in retrospect, since we know what happens

942
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,840
at the end, it makes sense that they didn't respond.

943
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,840
But it doesn't work.

944
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,840
To be really talk about, but I'm just saying I at the time, I was just like, none of these

945
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,240
characters are believable.

946
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:10,040
None of them seem to act in a way that makes sense to me.

947
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080
So it didn't, I didn't even question it.

948
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,160
I was just like, okay, in this world, these rich people don't only talk to each other

949
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,160
in the summer.

950
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,160
You know what I mean?

951
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Like, I was just like, all right, I guess I didn't think about it.

952
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,480
Yeah.

953
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,120
Can I say that even, I found even the dogs kind of unlikable in the story, the five bone and

954
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,120
three worse?

955
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Do you remember, can you guys remember what their names were?

956
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Because it's the worst names for dogs I've ever heard in my life.

957
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Where are they?

958
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,560
Franklin and Eleanor.

959
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Can anyone name a single dog?

960
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,880
That's what it was in the TV show.

961
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Liberty or was that one of the littles or nothing?

962
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,960
It does.

963
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,960
A bell to me.

964
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,120
I just print Liberty Bell.

965
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,120
I don't remember any.

966
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,600
I'm going to tell you these fucking dog's names.

967
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,600
It's a dog name.

968
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:07,800
They were poppy, Bosch, Grendel, Prince Philip and Fatima.

969
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,800
I remember Prince Philip and Fatima.

970
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Did you say Grendel?

971
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Oh.

972
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,640
So much better.

973
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Not as beautiful as Grendel.

974
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Grendel even sounds like a worse Grendel.

975
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Yeah, it's like close.

976
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,760
It's like maybe that's also, yeah, some lingo.

977
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Poppy is okay.

978
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Poppy is okay.

979
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Poppy is okay.

980
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Yeah.

981
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Poppy is fine.

982
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,960
It goes down further.

983
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,960
I don't like it.

984
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,680
I mean, obviously the names are all pretentious.

985
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,680
But within the book, like the way she describes characters, sorry, I want to play a little game

986
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,680
with you guys.

987
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Okay.

988
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,680
I'm excited.

989
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:55,680
I'm going to read a few, I'll say, I guess nouns, characterizations.

990
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:03,440
And you're going to have to guess if it's a person or a Yankee candle.

991
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,680
I'm so excited, Sarah.

992
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Okay.

993
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,480
You said game and I was like, why isn't this the whole cast?

994
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Okay.

995
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,480
Ready?

996
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Yeah.

997
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Beach walk.

998
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,480
That's it?

999
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,480
That's all you get.

1000
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Candle.

1001
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,480
That's a candle.

1002
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,480
That's all you got.

1003
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,480
Yeah, one.

1004
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,520
I would be hard to describe a person as Beach walk.

1005
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Pancakes and syrup.

1006
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Candle.

1007
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,000
That's Miran.

1008
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
It's Gat and KKD.

1009
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000
It's Gat.

1010
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,360
All right.

1011
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,360
This is a need.

1012
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960
This is okay.

1013
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Whiskers on kittens.

1014
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,160
What's not a candle?

1015
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,160
That's what I do.

1016
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,000
I know it's not a candle because the whiskers on snow, I feel like is a candle.

1017
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
What?

1018
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,400
That's a person.

1019
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,400
It's a candle.

1020
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,400
No!

1021
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,400
You know what I'm saying?

1022
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400
You're thinking of cherries on snow.

1023
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Of the cherries on snow?

1024
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,400
You're right.

1025
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,120
You guys know a lot about candles.

1026
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,120
You take them.

1027
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Yeah, Yankees are the best candles you can get.

1028
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000
And dogs and beach roses.

1029
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Okay, that's a person.

1030
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
That's got to be...

1031
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
I fucked up.

1032
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
I didn't write who this was, but it is.

1033
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,600
That's got to be Gat, right?

1034
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,600
He was always...

1035
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Oh, it was so easy.

1036
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,520
The easiest one is ambition and strong coffee.

1037
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,520
You know who that is.

1038
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,520
That's Gat.

1039
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,520
That's Gat.

1040
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,040
I would love a candle that was ambition from me.

1041
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,040
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

1042
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,040
Can I just...

1043
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,040
We've got the premise.

1044
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,040
You get it.

1045
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,040
Stop on the strong coffee.

1046
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,040
Yeah, let's stop.

1047
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Is like she describes him as that when they...

1048
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Is that a fencer?

1049
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,560
He's a old.

1050
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Maybe.

1051
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,200
And so when I thought...

1052
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,200
I forgot that she had described him that way as a child.

1053
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,560
When I thought she was doing it in there like ten years, I was like, "Oh, it's about as

1054
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,920
a personality."

1055
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,480
But as an eight-year-old, it does feel like it's the color of a piste.

1056
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,480
It feels offensive.

1057
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,480
It feels something.

1058
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,320
Well, when you don't drink coffee, yes, of course.

1059
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,720
Yeah, what reference coffee do you have other than the color?

1060
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:06,720
That's true.

1061
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,720
And pot, don't touch.

1062
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:08,720
Don't touch.

1063
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:09,720
Don't touch.

1064
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:10,720
Don't touch.

1065
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,720
Don't touch.

1066
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,120
Mommy, that's a mummy drink.

1067
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,120
A mummy drink.

1068
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,800
Wait, can we talk about mummy?

1069
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,960
Why is that the only...

1070
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Why?

1071
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,760
Does she call her mummy?

1072
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,960
You're a grown-up man.

1073
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,960
You've committed a murder by Arsden.

1074
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960
You don't mean to see mummy.

1075
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:28,960
I hated it.

1076
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:37,840
I also thought for a little bit because simply because of the word mummy that it was a...

1077
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,840
Oh, my God.

1078
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,000
What is it called when you just are making your child sicker and sicker?

1079
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Munchows in by proxy.

1080
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Munchows in by proxy.

1081
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,480
I was like, "Oh, this mummy is giving in munchows in by proxy."

1082
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,240
So I was like, "Maybe that's the moms."

1083
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,400
Yeah, like she can't remember because the moms' drugginger.

1084
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,400
I thought that.

1085
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Maybe it's interesting.

1086
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,400
That's interesting.

1087
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Yes.

1088
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,480
I mean, there were a million ways this plot could have twisted.

1089
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,640
That would have been more interesting and more like, "Ah, I saw it coming."

1090
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,640
That would have been one.

1091
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:16,560
What's funny is, I feel like the book was written in such a way that I wasn't trying to

1092
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,040
figure out what happened because I didn't care.

1093
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,400
It was so little information.

1094
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,960
It was just using words that were repulsive, like, too many, and like, describing people

1095
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,720
like Yankee candles.

1096
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,080
And then, like, kind of just repeating over and over again, like, I need to figure out what

1097
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,080
happened.

1098
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Oh, my God.

1099
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,840
I'm just trying to figure it out.

1100
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,120
I was more like, "Ah, just fucking tell me already."

1101
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Instead, like, just...

1102
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,080
I know it's not going to be good, whatever it is.

1103
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,600
So why don't we just get to it?

1104
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,080
I thought it was like, "Daddy or Err."

1105
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because there was a lot of...

1106
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,080
I thought too.

1107
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,840
There was a lot about Gatswari.

1108
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,840
The twist was...

1109
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,080
I really did have the same reaction as the commenter when I got to the twist.

1110
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,080
I was just like, "Are you fucking kidding me?"

1111
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:15,760
And then, like, you had to listen as it's, like, graphically described how they all died,

1112
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,320
how, even before that, how the dogs died, I was like, "Jesus Christ."

1113
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,640
I was gapped, to be honest.

1114
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:30,680
I was like, "Whoa, this book took up my monster."

1115
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,680
I liked this.

1116
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,760
My biggest question was, was, "Why that house?"

1117
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,360
I understood it was the grandfather's house, but I was like, I kind of was like, "Why?"

1118
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Like...

1119
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,200
They were like arguing about a different house.

1120
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,200
So it was like...

1121
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,200
Yeah.

1122
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,240
Maybe it makes more sense for it to be that house.

1123
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,240
I don't know.

1124
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,920
I just didn't understand how that...

1125
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,560
I guess my biggest thing was, like, their thought process was like...

1126
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,440
I didn't understand why that would change anything.

1127
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,440
It's...

1128
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,200
I also, like, their plan to burn down this house, because their family was feuding over who

1129
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120
gets it, was so flawed from the beginning.

1130
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,960
They were like, "Here's how it's gonna work.

1131
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,600
We're all gonna bring in a can of gasoline for the boat.

1132
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,400
We're each gonna take a different floor.

1133
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,400
We're all gonna...

1134
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,440
A-strew our gasoline everywhere.

1135
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,240
Then the person on the ground floor will light the match.

1136
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,240
And that...

1137
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,240
Not wait till everyone's out.

1138
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,240
We'll get light.

1139
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,240
Basement...

1140
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,240
You'll get lighter than that.

1141
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,240
Exactly.

1142
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,240
The zombies.

1143
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,240
Right.

1144
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:38,240
You want to see...

1145
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,240
Do you...

1146
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,240
I feel like these deaths, like this big, twist death, you want it to feel like, "Oh, it

1147
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,840
makes sense, or it was like...

1148
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,480
We've been talking a lot about kind of greed and I guess maybe...

1149
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,480
Kind of in this book."

1150
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,640
And so...

1151
00:48:53,640 --> 00:49:01,000
It's almost like the lesson was for the parents, because they were so greedy, they drove their

1152
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,920
children to burn...

1153
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,720
I could kill themselves, but like, we don't hear anything from the parents.

1154
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:09,720
We don't hear...

1155
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:10,720
Right.

1156
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,080
We know nothing about them.

1157
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,080
And so it's just...

1158
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,960
It was so weird for that to be the twist to me, because I'm like...

1159
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,000
It just wasn't fulfilling.

1160
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,520
And this is something the TV show does a bit better is makes them characters.

1161
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,520
And...

1162
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,520
The parents...

1163
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,520
I don't know.

1164
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,520
There's like a...

1165
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:38,700
Yeah, like, I could kind of see why they wanted to burn down the symbol of the Sinclair

1166
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,880
family in the TV show.

1167
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,880
In the book...

1168
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,400
It wasn't quite there.

1169
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,960
And it's just like the plan was so obviously gonna fail too.

1170
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680
They're all just soaked in lighter fluid.

1171
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,680
I think...

1172
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,680
I think...

1173
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,920
I think Kate and should have been prosecuted for...

1174
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Oh, I don't...

1175
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,920
She's seen this like the...

1176
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,920
The end of the episode...

1177
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,920
I'm a murderer.

1178
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,920
I'm a murderer.

1179
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,440
And then everyone's keeping a secret.

1180
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Don't talk about it.

1181
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,440
I'll get better.

1182
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,440
Can I also...

1183
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,440
I'll get better.

1184
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Am I the only one...

1185
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,360
Am I the only one that doesn't understand how...

1186
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,560
And she comes back for year 17.

1187
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,560
How...

1188
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,800
How she's talking to everybody...

1189
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,680
Oh, because they're ghosts?

1190
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Because this is also a supernatural aspect of this.

1191
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:27,960
Is that real?

1192
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Oh, I thought she was just like hallucinating.

1193
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,800
I feel like an eye to be ghosts.

1194
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,800
I thought it was never...

1195
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,800
I thought it was never...

1196
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,280
I thought it was never told to us.

1197
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,280
Oh, yeah.

1198
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,120
I think it goes.

1199
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,120
I think it goes.

1200
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,120
The...

1201
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,120
The TV show...

1202
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,120
Look, I don't want to give it to me.

1203
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,880
It makes you think...

1204
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,440
It makes you think that they're definitely ghosts.

1205
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,440
And...

1206
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,240
Maybe I'm getting...

1207
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,600
Maybe cadence isn't the only person who sees a ghost.

1208
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,680
Oh, I haven't gotten to that part.

1209
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,000
But maybe they are giving...

1210
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Maybe I'm getting the ghost feel also from the TV show.

1211
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,680
But I...

1212
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,680
It is...

1213
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,480
Because it's like how...

1214
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,240
It's too much conversation.

1215
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:09,240
Oh my God.

1216
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,760
Also, they're all the conversations they have are so dumb and pointless.

1217
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,760
And they don't feel like...

1218
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,880
They're like building a tuna leg on TV and...

1219
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:16,880
No, no.

1220
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,880
They don't.

1221
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Can I say something positive?

1222
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,960
No.

1223
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Shut up!

1224
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Yes, yeah, you can.

1225
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:36,800
Can I say that...

1226
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,800
Like, I got a little bit...

1227
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:49,520
I felt something when cadence and got together a couple times.

1228
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,840
I was like, "Oh, these scenes...

1229
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Like, I'm...

1230
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,840
Scenes."

1231
00:51:53,840 --> 00:52:00,600
These scenarios with the two of them, I was like, "Oh, I could watch this."

1232
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Like I actually enjoyed their relationship together.

1233
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,240
I don't know why.

1234
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:07,200
I love any romance in a book.

1235
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,200
I don't read this kind of...

1236
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,200
I don't read this kind of in a book.

1237
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,200
I don't read this kind of in a book.

1238
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Like actually having some camp of two lovers who are infatuated with each other.

1239
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,280
I was like, "Oh, I could see why people use this as porn."

1240
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,280
Yeah.

1241
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,280
Yeah.

1242
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,280
You know going in that they're both hot, because that also really helps.

1243
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,280
It is...

1244
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,760
She loves love.

1245
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,760
I don't know.

1246
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,760
She's so dramatic.

1247
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,120
It's a teenage girl thing.

1248
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:44,880
The very specific, this like first love is a very specific trope, I guess.

1249
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,880
But yeah, I don't know.

1250
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,600
I guess it was fine.

1251
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,680
It was just because it was all this amnesia stuff.

1252
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,400
I was always just so confused about their relationship between the like back and forth and

1253
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,920
like, "Does he have a girlfriend or what's going on?"

1254
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,960
And dating someone else, Raquel.

1255
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,880
Yeah, so she's cheating.

1256
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,040
Like he's gross.

1257
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,840
He's cheating on his girlfriend.

1258
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,840
Yeah.

1259
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,840
He even disagrees.

1260
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,920
He's like, "There's so much cheating in the TV show."

1261
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,920
They're so you.

1262
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,920
Yeah.

1263
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,880
I don't know if I care that much about the cheating.

1264
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,880
I just...

1265
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,200
I don't understand why.

1266
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:27,520
I don't understand why the character gets coming back, because it seems like he, by his youthful

1267
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,480
rumination, that he's like, "Realize that St. Clairs are evil and they'll never accept

1268
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,480
him and he calls himself Heathcliff and all that."

1269
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680
And I'm like, "Why are you there, dude?"

1270
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,680
Like...

1271
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Yeah.

1272
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:45,000
So that brought up another topic for me, which is the references to other literary events.

1273
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,360
But I think he... I mean, it's just what he does.

1274
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,360
He seems like a real...

1275
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,360
He seems like a real...

1276
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:56,960
He seems like a real downer to like, be on your friend's private island and be like, "Well, nobody,

1277
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,960
don't really, it's anymore."

1278
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,960
(laughs)

1279
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,960
I don't know.

1280
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:00,960
I don't know.

1281
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,760
They're white, but I just mean like, who's... they're... they're not anybody's people.

1282
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,760
They are like the one percent of the one percent of the one percent.

1283
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Like, nobody can relate to them.

1284
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,720
It's fine that you can't relate to them.

1285
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:13,720
Like...

1286
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:19,760
Also, we never saw any sort of hatred towards him.

1287
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,760
Right, that's true.

1288
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,760
That's true.

1289
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,400
Like, there was never a moment in...

1290
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,400
Like, he... he...

1291
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,000
The grandpa says something once, right?

1292
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,000
He says like...

1293
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,800
No, it was referenced.

1294
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,800
Watch yourself.

1295
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Yeah, yeah.

1296
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,360
It was really very vague that she went back and interpreted as, "Oh, maybe."

1297
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,360
But it was still...

1298
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,360
It was so vague that it was like, "I don't know."

1299
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,360
I don't know.

1300
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,360
Yeah, there's...

1301
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,640
Nobody is actually profiling him in the book.

1302
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,200
Like, I can understand what he is, maybe, understanding, but like, we don't actually understand

1303
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,680
the profiling, right?

1304
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Yeah, and it's also...

1305
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000
But it's also because...

1306
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,200
That's because nothing happens.

1307
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,160
Or you could argue it's from...

1308
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,760
Because it's from Katie's perspective.

1309
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,520
And she is such like a rich white person that she doesn't see it.

1310
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Like, you know what I mean?

1311
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,160
So we're not going to hear about it because she doesn't see it because of her, like, blinders,

1312
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,800
which is possible, but it's also like...

1313
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,120
It's a lot of lifting for me to have to do as the reader if you know what I mean.

1314
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,120
Yeah.

1315
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Also, I feel like that's so generous to be author.

1316
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,960
It's very generous to be author.

1317
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:29,960
Like, we could have...

1318
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,960
We could have...

1319
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,160
At least, been told.

1320
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,160
We could have been shown something...

1321
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,160
Right.

1322
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,600
I mean, other than just through "Gat" rebelling against.

1323
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,520
But the Heathcliff thing made me remember that a couple times throughout the book, they

1324
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,240
reference, like, she...

1325
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,600
Just in a throwaway, she's like going through, crappin' her bed, and she's like, "This is

1326
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,600
a giveaway."

1327
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:59,720
She's like, "Oh, the copy of King Lear throwaway, I don't need to read that again."

1328
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:00,720
It's like, "Okay."

1329
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,900
So, you think you're making a little homage to King Lear here, but you're not sure it's

1330
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:10,840
clear enough, so you are going to say King Lear in the book.

1331
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,840
Exactly.

1332
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,640
She does this all the time.

1333
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:19,200
The book starts with one of my favorite examples of this, which is, "It is true I suffer

1334
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,360
my grain since my accident.

1335
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,400
It is true I do not suffer fools."

1336
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,400
I like a twist of meaning.

1337
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,400
You see?

1338
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,400
Suffer my grain.

1339
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Do not...

1340
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,400
It's like we did see.

1341
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,400
We could read.

1342
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,120
A twist of meaning, you see?

1343
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,120
Suffer my grains.

1344
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,120
Do not suffer fools.

1345
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,240
The words mean almost the same thing as they did in the previous sentence, but not quite.

1346
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,240
Suffer.

1347
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,320
You could say it as a score, but that's not exactly right.

1348
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,920
And I swear to God, you guys, I wanted to find this quote online, so I had it exactly,

1349
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:57,240
so I typed in part of it, and it took me to a goodreads question.

1350
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,520
Juliet J asked, "What does this part of the book mean?"

1351
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,680
The twist in meaning part, "I got a bit confused," and then she quotes it.

1352
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:12,320
And then someone below explains to Juliet, "I think the difference in the two meanings of

1353
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:18,920
suffer was that while she could not control the migraines, she had to suffer them, but she

1354
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,520
could choose to not suffer the company of fools.

1355
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:22,520
Hope this helped.

1356
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:23,520
Smile.

1357
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,800
And it made me want to blow up the internet."

1358
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,800
That's the world, huh?

1359
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,800
Yes.

1360
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:37,600
I mean, the Heathcliff thing, that was a whole chapter of the book, him explaining the

1361
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,600
parallels between him and Heathcliff.

1362
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,960
Just write it if you want that there, maybe just introduce it in the plot or let us,

1363
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
the reader, it's YA babies.

1364
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,560
I just was looking at my notes, my random, like, rants as we were listening.

1365
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:59,000
And early on, there's a scene where Gat picks up, picks a rose and is like putting in

1366
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,280
a letter, and she thinks it's for him.

1367
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,440
She thinks it's for her, for her, but then finds out it was for Raquel, and I just kept

1368
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,440
thinking, "Who puts a rose?

1369
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,440
Who does that?"

1370
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Like, who sends the rose in the mail?

1371
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,440
I guess it's easier.

1372
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,440
I'm gonna get crushed.

1373
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,920
That's how you know it doesn't really like you.

1374
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,840
You can't get it together to write something.

1375
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,480
I love Raquel.

1376
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,040
I'm obsessed with Raquel.

1377
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,240
She is the legend of this book.

1378
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,840
She is the reason this book was written.

1379
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,200
Raquel, Raquel, Raquel.

1380
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Raquel, rocks.

1381
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,920
I love--

1382
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,520
Do we know anything about her?

1383
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,520
No!

1384
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Nothing, nothing, right?

1385
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,520
I feel like--

1386
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,640
She doesn't want you to know anything about her.

1387
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:52,320
She is the queen bee, and she lives forever.

1388
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,080
I know mine is a god.

1389
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,480
I'm happy the other characters die, but Raquel can live.

1390
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:02,560
She is the Isabella Rosalini of Death Becomes her Raquel.

1391
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Beautiful.

1392
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Wow.

1393
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,440
I think we moved past something a little too quick, which happened to our back, which was

1394
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,240
John overening up just how much gasoline they thought they needed it.

1395
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Like, I understand.

1396
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,240
It's an engine.

1397
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Oh my god.

1398
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,240
Oh my god.

1399
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240
It's so cool.

1400
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,240
They're not--

1401
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,240
They're not.

1402
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,320
It's funny because they're not very-- they're supposed to be well-educated or could be going

1403
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,560
to Harvard or whatever, but they're-- yeah, it was--

1404
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,560
It was like--

1405
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Everything about that was just--

1406
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:30,560
The balance each.

1407
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:31,560
Soak your own clothes.

1408
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,560
Soak first.

1409
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:33,560
Soak your clothes.

1410
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,560
They died because of stupidity, and it's like, what's the purpose of that?

1411
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,560
It was sort of crazy.

1412
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:40,560
It was so fun.

1413
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,560
It was so fun.

1414
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,560
I am peddling.

1415
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,560
Stand nearby with your ass cam.

1416
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,560
That's-- I'm not joking.

1417
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,560
That was the point.

1418
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,560
That was the plan.

1419
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,560
And they were like afterwards.

1420
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,680
But afterwards, we'll all meet up in about 30 minutes.

1421
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,880
We'll meet up and make sure everybody got out OK.

1422
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,120
And it should make sense.

1423
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,120
And it should make sense.

1424
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,480
I'm on the first floor and it'd be easiest for me to get out.

1425
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,720
I'm just going to assume they made it out as a gift.

1426
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,720
Yeah.

1427
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,720
I'll start the fire here at the base of the building.

1428
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:06,720
I'm sure--

1429
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Blocking the doorway in the exit route route.

1430
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,160
In what world?

1431
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,120
They're 15 years old, right?

1432
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,120
They're not eight.

1433
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,520
They are now 15.

1434
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:19,520
But--

1435
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,520
OK.

1436
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,280
Put all your gallons of gasoline around the house.

1437
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,280
Reconvene.

1438
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:27,280
Reconvene.

1439
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,280
Get together.

1440
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,280
Figure out what you're doing.

1441
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,280
And like the match.

1442
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,840
I don't think we need to be like a match on each floor.

1443
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Exit.

1444
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,840
You know what I'm saying?

1445
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,360
Literally, just literally nobody's in the house.

1446
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,560
Throw gasoline and light a match.

1447
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,560
It will start a fire.

1448
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,560
It'll be--

1449
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,040
The dogs are in the house.

1450
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,040
OK.

1451
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,960
But I just come on.

1452
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,720
You're forgetting about the-- you're going to-- you thought about it.

1453
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,800
You're going to burn down a house and you forgot about the dogs.

1454
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,800
It's fucking crazy.

1455
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,800
It's fucking crazy.

1456
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:58,800
And she's like--

1457
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,800
She's like--

1458
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,800
She's like, I remember.

1459
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,280
I really should have thought of them because I was the one that took care of the dogs.

1460
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,400
It's like, yeah, you should have fucking thought of them.

1461
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,200
And her description, too, of like, it's so wild.

1462
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,680
She's like, how could I have been so wrapped up in my own criminal exercise?

1463
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,480
Fatima, Prince Philip?

1464
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,480
No.

1465
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,480
Her two face.

1466
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,680
Can I ask a question, too?

1467
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,200
It's an island, right?

1468
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Yeah.

1469
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,200
Yes.

1470
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Where the fuck did she get-- did they get that much gasoline?

1471
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Great question.

1472
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,320
The boat house, I believe?

1473
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,120
I mean, that's what happened in the TV show.

1474
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,120
I know.

1475
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,120
I was supposed to be trying to explain it.

1476
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,120
I know.

1477
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,320
Oh, it's gasoline for boats.

1478
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,320
OK, all right.

1479
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,320
That makes some sense.

1480
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,320
I didn't remember what it was in the book.

1481
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,320
But still--

1482
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,120
I don't know that the book says that.

1483
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,280
There's so much I honestly do.

1484
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,600
I do think-- I mean, I feel like Claire a little bit.

1485
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,200
I was like, we're going to keep coming back to this because it's the main thing that happens

1486
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,200
in the book.

1487
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,200
It's the big twist.

1488
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,400
And it's just so nonsensical.

1489
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:09,000
I guess, OK, we earned it maybe going back and looking over, rereading that, OK, they are

1490
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,680
all dead and nobody's talking about it.

1491
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,600
That was what happened.

1492
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:22,720
I mean, I guess that is earned, but I just think it's so unsatisfying as a story.

1493
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,720
And then it just ends.

1494
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,800
She remembers.

1495
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,560
And then it just ends.

1496
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,440
And she's just remembered the murder.

1497
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,720
And I guess her ghost forgave her.

1498
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,720
Which is why--

1499
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,880
The ghosts were all pretty forgiving.

1500
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:39,880
Pretty gentle.

1501
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,880
Pretty nice.

1502
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,880
Don't feel guilty.

1503
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,880
We always feel guilty.

1504
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,840
It was very much her fault.

1505
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,320
They definitely all die because she was--

1506
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,520
the shirt was the plan was dumb.

1507
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,520
But she's the one-- why did she like the fire?

1508
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,680
Why did she assume that?

1509
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,680
I mean, it was just so many-- she's pulled the trigger.

1510
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Like she--

1511
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,520
It's seemingly pretty cool.

1512
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,920
She was kind of the leader of the--

1513
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,760
Yeah, yeah, it was also her idea.

1514
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Like, yeah, you're right.

1515
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,720
It was a series of like, this is totally her fault.

1516
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,320
Like, put this woman in jail.

1517
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,760
I get it's traumatic, but like--

1518
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,080
So she's the people that are jailed for them?

1519
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,080
Yeah, so nice.

1520
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,080
And she's--

1521
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,160
It takes some time to think about it and present.

1522
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,720
And again, like, this character that we've kind of like--

1523
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,600
I feel like is only shown as horrifying characteristics

1524
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,240
or like, she's, you know, selfish.

1525
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,120
She's too good for Italy.

1526
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,720
She's all these things--

1527
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,280
sorry, just at some point, like, she's

1528
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,080
giving away all of her stuff.

1529
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,120
And she gives away her pillow to a homeless person, I guess,

1530
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,800
some-- to some homeless girl.

1531
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,560
And then she says, my bed was uncomfortable that night,

1532
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,480
but it's for the best.

1533
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,480
And like, that's the type of person

1534
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,080
we're supposed to be rooting for.

1535
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,920
Like, you fucking kidding me.

1536
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,760
Like, you are trash.

1537
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,440
You're a trash human.

1538
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,400
I don't know.

1539
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:07,080
She's-- listen, she's not good if the murder says anything.

1540
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,280
I really don't like--

1541
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,280
And she just serves those--

1542
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,280
I agree.

1543
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:12,840
I agree.

1544
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,200
I was going to ask-- and the little--

1545
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,600
Oh, sorry, I was going to say--

1546
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,960
the little stories, because there are little stories

1547
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,240
interspersed throughout the whole book.

1548
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Like, nothing happens until the very end.

1549
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,760
But then there'll be a little story about a king

1550
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,480
in some princesses.

1551
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,920
Again, we're very little happens.

1552
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,400
But then you find out that she's writing

1553
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,280
these little stories, and it's kind of like her talent

1554
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,360
or her skill.

1555
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,840
Oh, you think she wrote them?

1556
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,200
Yeah, I do.

1557
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,720
Am I getting this from the TV show?

1558
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,040
I also was under the impression that she wrote them.

1559
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,280
I don't-- I think I didn't get that far in the book the second

1560
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:56,960
time, so I--

1561
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,600
I don't know if it's the second time, so I--

1562
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,760
But anyway, the point is, they suck, so it makes sense

1563
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,600
that she wrote the second time.

1564
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,480
I think she thinks of-- I think she does write them.

1565
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,600
One of my favorites was there was a little fairy morality

1566
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,240
play, and the lesson was that one of the fairies

1567
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,800
had been given wit, but she used it

1568
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:25,160
to make people laugh instead of making them think.

1569
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,080
And it was just like, ah, yes, nothing

1570
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,720
I love more than a friend who can just explain shit to me

1571
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,200
would hate to hang out with someone funny.

1572
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,240
Let that be a lesson.

1573
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,400
There were also all these funny family

1574
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,320
mottos and stuff, too.

1575
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,440
There were the morality plays we had to suffer through

1576
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,200
over fairies and princesses, and then there was like--

1577
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,360
the Sinclair's had a family motto, which one of which

1578
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,800
was never complained, never explained, just stolen from the royals.

1579
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,960
Yep.

1580
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,800
Oh, that's an actual--

1581
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,280
Yep, just fully stolen, very clever.

1582
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,440
You know what story I actually thought

1583
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,560
would be better than this book?

1584
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,960
The Three Sisters?

1585
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:10,800
Sure.

1586
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,360
Oh, yeah.

1587
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,640
One of the fairy tales.

1588
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,720
Like, like, yeah, directly, directly--

1589
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,680
like, that was the thing that I was searching for so much

1590
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,960
is what actually was the reason that these kids

1591
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,680
became who they were was because all three of these women

1592
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,560
were under somebody--

1593
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,320
and like, you know who the redeeming character

1594
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,600
of this entire movie?

1595
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,360
This entire book was the stepmother who died.

1596
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,160
Stepmother?

1597
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:48,760
Your mom?

1598
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:49,600
Your mom?

1599
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Or just the grandma?

1600
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,640
Grandma.

1601
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,560
The grandma?

1602
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Yeah, yeah.

1603
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,320
Oh, grandma.

1604
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,160
Oh, yeah.

1605
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,160
It's a tipber.

1606
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,160
It's a tipber.

1607
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,960
I wanted to know everything about a tipber.

1608
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:00,640
I did, too.

1609
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,520
She seemed like the only likable character,

1610
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,440
other than, of course, our heroic Raquel.

1611
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,600
Well, wasn't tipber the one who was like, I like ivory.

1612
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,560
No, yeah.

1613
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,560
Yeah, shit, shit, shit.

1614
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:12,560
I'm well.

1615
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,360
So do I, Claire.

1616
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,760
We all have our tipber.

1617
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,840
Do I?

1618
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,600
You know, we love ivory on this cast.

1619
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,040
Sorry if that offends you.

1620
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,040
You know.

1621
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,040
I think it should--

1622
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,200
Move to what final thoughts?

1623
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,320
Or maybe hit some hate rates, hit some good news.

1624
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,360
Did you want to do it in the Ask the Author, John?

1625
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,200
Or I saw that, or you know, not real.

1626
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,880
I did have a funny quote from the author.

1627
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,120
But yeah, we could do maybe like maybe two people

1628
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,960
do an Ask the Author if everybody doesn't want to.

1629
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:46,800
That's fair.

1630
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,120
I don't do it.

1631
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,320
David, this segment is just, I ask a question,

1632
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,520
and you imagine how the author answered.

1633
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,960
Give me like a quick answer as the author.

1634
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,400
If you want, or the ladies can play.

1635
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,480
And then I'll tell you what her real answer was.

1636
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:09,760
So my question was, E Lockhart, what's her name?

1637
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,680
E Lockhart.

1638
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,520
What did you think of the--

1639
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,760
or E Lockhart, how did TikTok respond to this book?

1640
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:19,560
The clock?

1641
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,680
[LAUGHTER]

1642
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Slap.

1643
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,040
I'm sorry, I know that's an uncommon.

1644
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
I think TikTok, TikTok, love to it.

1645
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,480
You know, they lifted it up, and it really connected with them.

1646
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:41,600
I didn't realize so many people would feel so connected to Katie.

1647
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,240
And I guess there were a few people who didn't like it,

1648
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:49,440
but my followers really pretty much canceled them.

1649
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:50,880
So I won.

1650
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,640
I win.

1651
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,640
Great.

1652
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,440
And let's get one more response.

1653
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:59,480
E Lockhart, how did TikTok respond to this book?

1654
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:00,640
What did they think?

1655
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,840
It's Emily here.

1656
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,840
Hello.

1657
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,360
Hello.

1658
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,520
I'm so sorry.

1659
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:13,640
Listen, I'm pretty sure that everybody on TikTok really--

1660
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:20,480
listen, I only follow East Coast Hamdenites.

1661
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:24,560
And so everybody on the East Coast totally understood

1662
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,320
what was going on in my book.

1663
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:33,720
And Fire is a big element of the East Coast Hamdenites.

1664
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,040
I did not know that.

1665
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,200
Wow, really interesting.

1666
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,600
So the real answer is--

1667
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,880
I really liked the voice choice you made in there.

1668
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:44,880
Yeah.

1669
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,520
Thank you so much.

1670
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,640
So basically, because of the pandemic, she says,

1671
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,840
TikTokers really started making videos

1672
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,840
that were more than just saying, hey, here's a book I like.

1673
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,240
They made videos that were very vulnerable,

1674
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,560
reading the novel, and responding to it.

1675
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,160
Sometimes they were throwing the book across the room.

1676
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,880
Sometimes they were weeping copiously,

1677
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,840
and Snot was dripping out of their nose.

1678
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,080
I must scare out running on their face.

1679
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:20,640
The essence of those responses was, what the fuck, this book?

1680
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,160
I just--

1681
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,320
No, do it as Emily.

1682
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,320
As--

1683
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,320
I--

1684
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,400
[LAUGHS]

1685
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,360
The essence of those responses.

1686
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,920
What the fuck?

1687
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,360
What the fuck?

1688
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,400
That seems like she took it well, even though I

1689
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,160
think if somebody threw the book across--

1690
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,920
See, yeah, I mean, they don't like it.

1691
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,280
I worry that that is somewhat furious.

1692
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,920
But yeah, he--

1693
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,440
Lockhart was like, you know what?

1694
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:49,560
Any press is good press.

1695
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,280
Any reactions are good reaction.

1696
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:51,960
Throughout--

1697
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:51,960
Right.

1698
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,360
Scream, burn it.

1699
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,200
Good.

1700
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,720
I did listen to like a brief interview with her,

1701
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,680
where she talked about being nervous about this book,

1702
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,760
people receiving it because they wouldn't like the main characters.

1703
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,280
Correct.

1704
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Or like a few--

1705
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:09,560
They were like a few--

1706
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,080
Sure.

1707
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,920
Like all, like, yes, that was the problem.

1708
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,080
But then she was like--

1709
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,400
But then it was kind of nice.

1710
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:16,640
It was kind of-- she was like, but I--

1711
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,760
You know, like one of those, like, I had to take the swing.

1712
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,600
I'd rather take the swing than, you know, put down the bat.

1713
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,040
And I was like, all right, I guess.

1714
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:25,840
I like that, right?

1715
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,360
All right, sure.

1716
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,600
OK, well, I like that idea to say--

1717
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,040
Is this your first book?

1718
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,840
No, not by a long shot.

1719
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,160
John, I would have been good to have that information.

1720
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,160
Oh, right.

1721
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,640
I apologize, David.

1722
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,880
[LAUGHS]

1723
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,160
And she wrote a lot of children's books first.

1724
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,320
And then this is--

1725
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,360
Maybe her first young adult.

1726
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,640
OK, that makes sense because in children's books,

1727
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,200
you actually really can have nothing to do with it.

1728
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,920
You could be like, here's a picture of a dog.

1729
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,000
Oh, yeah, that's a book, the end.

1730
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,760
I would love to see the children's book version of this.

1731
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:01,520
You've seen it.

1732
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:02,560
This is it.

1733
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,000
How could it get more children?

1734
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,440
Except at the end, they color on the walls.

1735
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:12,280
They're burning the house, they're killing the castle.

1736
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,280
See them all with the guilt.

1737
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,880
No, the other children still die.

1738
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,880
OK, one thing I hadn't done in a long time

1739
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,520
was read a book that has like 70-A chapters.

1740
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,520
Oh, yeah.

1741
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,640
Yes, I actually love that.

1742
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,280
We love that because it does make you feel like you're reading more.

1743
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,440
And there's always like, at the end of a chapter,

1744
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,120
there's always all that blank page.

1745
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,120
You know what I mean?

1746
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,320
It just goes so fast.

1747
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,280
Yeah, I remember I was reading to it, and I would be like, 82.

1748
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,280
What, wait, what?

1749
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,800
It'd be like 81.

1750
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,800
And so I did 82.

1751
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,520
82.

1752
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,560
It really, really, anything could be a chapter.

1753
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,640
Any amount of words, as long as you have one word,

1754
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,200
that could be a chapter.

1755
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:56,000
All right.

1756
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,680
I love that.

1757
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,240
Yeah.

1758
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,480
What a cliffhanger.

1759
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:02,560
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1760
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:11,240
All right.

1761
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,040
Jay, you want to do good reads, 5,000,000?

1762
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,000
Yeah, so unfortunately, some people did like this book.

1763
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,880
Kristen gave it 5 stars.

1764
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,640
She said, "The plot introduces itself in a vague manner

1765
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,920
and slowly unravels."

1766
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,120
I found that the message has held more power

1767
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,000
than the characters delivering them.

1768
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,760
The sum was greater than its parts.

1769
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,760
OK, what a glowing reveal.

1770
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:34,240
I know.

1771
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,400
I guess maybe that's true.

1772
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,120
Just be-- we're talking about it,

1773
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,720
and I'm trying to come up with messages that the book maybe had,

1774
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,080
but it's not in the book.

1775
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:50,160
It's just I'm trying to figure out what it's saying, maybe.

1776
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,160
Sure.

1777
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,600
I'm going to start with the filters, so.

1778
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,440
I know.

1779
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:55,400
I'm just going to read it.

1780
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:55,920
I know.

1781
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,560
I was going to say it.

1782
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,920
Kiera said, as a poem, one word on every line,

1783
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:07,520
much like these chapters, "I am lost amongst my endless tears."

1784
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,240
Very teenager.

1785
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,160
And then Susanna gave it 5 stars.

1786
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,760
She said, "Warning to everyone who reads, we were liars.

1787
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:21,320
Be prepared to scrape your chin off the floor with a fork left."

1788
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,120
Wait, what?

1789
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,120
Big chin.

1790
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,280
Wait, four cliffs?

1791
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,600
Are they known to scrape?

1792
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,720
I think if you have a really big, heavy chin,

1793
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,720
you wouldn't be able to lift it with just a hand.

1794
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:32,720
That's so crazy.

1795
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,360
I mean, yeah, I don't think--

1796
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,840
Just because your chin has fallen to the floor

1797
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,880
doesn't mean it's so heavy that you need a fork left.

1798
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,880
I'm just confused by that.

1799
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,160
Bashing down into the ground.

1800
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,800
What is the matter of faw?

1801
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,000
Bashing down into the ground.

1802
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000
What she's saying, with the fork left,

1803
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,440
is that her chin has gotten so large that it's forked?

1804
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:52,160
I don't understand what that means.

1805
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,600
Does the head not follow the chin?

1806
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:55,360
Good point.

1807
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,080
Did it still attach to the head or did it fall off?

1808
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,840
I don't know.

1809
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,600
Because I think what we're really talking about is fainting,

1810
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,200
if that's your chin is hitting the floor,

1811
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,600
I suppose you're going down in a heart and a result.

1812
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,640
I thought it was all down there.

1813
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,640
This is a heart.

1814
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,440
This is a heart giving us a roundabout.

1815
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,320
I don't like to think that long about teenagers' words usually.

1816
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,440
So I think we can wrap it up.

1817
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:19,960
Sorry to any teenage fans.

1818
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,880
I'm more not talking about you, you listeners.

1819
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:22,520
You're smart.

1820
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,080
The fact that you even listened means you're

1821
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:24,880
so cool and smart.

1822
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:25,720
I love talking to you.

1823
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,040
You're cool and smart.

1824
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,680
Let's do our hate rates and just Dave's, David,

1825
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,080
so you know, we do out of five, five bean.

1826
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,920
This was a good bad book, zero bean.

1827
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,040
This is the worst bad book I've ever read.

1828
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,480
And of course, we're not comparing these to Shakespeare

1829
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,240
or whatever you think is good.

1830
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,800
It's in the world of bad books.

1831
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,840
So let that guide you.

1832
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,320
But does anybody want to go first?

1833
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,000
Yeah, I'm going to go first.

1834
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,000
Zero out of five.

1835
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,440
I found it personally offensive

1836
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:00,560
that to punish yourself, she died of her black.

1837
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,160
(laughing)

1838
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,400
It's rude.

1839
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:05,400
A lot of people have that color hair.

1840
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,680
Beautiful on them.

1841
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:08,520
Not David.

1842
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:09,880
On everyone.

1843
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,520
On everyone, on anyone.

1844
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,720
I'm going to go with zero out of five.

1845
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,880
This book was slop.

1846
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,520
It made prep look like a masterpiece.

1847
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,640
That's not true, but it did.

1848
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,640
They burp both bad.

1849
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,960
It did in their own way.

1850
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,840
Johnna actually thought one of the books

1851
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,120
we read this season was a real masterpiece.

1852
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:27,960
I don't remember.

1853
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:28,960
I already don't remember.

1854
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:29,800
Corrections.

1855
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:30,680
Corrections, yeah.

1856
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:31,800
By Jonathan Franson.

1857
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,800
By Jonathan Franson.

1858
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,640
It is.

1859
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:34,480
It is.

1860
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:35,320
It's a masterpiece.

1861
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,160
Okay.

1862
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,680
So to finish my time and my review,

1863
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,560
it's a zero.

1864
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,040
And I was already mad.

1865
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,080
And then this woman killed the Golden Retrievers

1866
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,760
in the book that put me over the edge.

1867
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,600
I was incensed.

1868
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,360
Then the people died and that brought me back.

1869
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,280
I was like, yay, that's good.

1870
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:55,760
Glad those characters are dead.

1871
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,040
But it still didn't redeem it enough to give it a star.

1872
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,600
Wow.

1873
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,000
I can go.

1874
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,520
I think it's a two out of whatever the scale is for me.

1875
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,360
Five.

1876
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,360
Five.

1877
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,360
Five.

1878
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:08,360
It failed.

1879
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:09,360
It failed.

1880
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,200
It failed.

1881
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,320
What I've got to say is that my score is more

1882
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,760
of a two out of six than it is a two out of five.

1883
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,080
So one out of three?

1884
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,880
So--

1885
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,880
Thank you.

1886
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,320
It's a one out of three, a two out of six, a one point,

1887
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,440
probably three out of five.

1888
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,280
I don't know how to do that kind of math.

1889
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,080
But yeah, listen, it was six hours long.

1890
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,360
I was able to listen to the whole book.

1891
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,600
She's definitely a good point.

1892
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:40,600
She's definitely a good point.

1893
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,040
And then listen to three quarters of the book.

1894
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,680
She's definitely a good point.

1895
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,080
That was in this span of three days, where

1896
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,280
I had other stuff going on.

1897
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,280
A poor friend.

1898
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:56,880
I mean, you are getting points for that.

1899
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:03,440
I will say in the TV show at the end, which I was expecting.

1900
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,880
Obviously, I knew it was going to happen.

1901
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,120
Meg bald her eyes out.

1902
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,960
Bald her eyes out.

1903
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:12,840
We know who is men.

1904
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,080
I will say that's a wife, my wife.

1905
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,160
But she was so devastated.

1906
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:28,120
And I was laughing because I knew what I knew what was going on.

1907
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,320
And so I love a motion evoked.

1908
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,120
Be sure Meg is comfortable with you, saying something so embarrassing

1909
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,120
about her.

1910
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:43,200
The TV show is world-to-be sure that it is.

1911
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:44,720
Yeah, I can just talk to you.

1912
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,880
Small part of me wants to watch it, maybe more than a small part of me.

1913
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:55,720
I'll say, I'll probably keep, I'll probably maybe watch a few more episodes before I decide

1914
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,880
whether I'm going to bail on it.

1915
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:02,560
But I'm going to give this a 2 out of 5.

1916
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:08,280
Obviously, I agree, Johnna Prep was better, and I gave that a 2.5, so it must be lower.

1917
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,160
However, this again gets a point for being super short.

1918
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:16,040
I agree with Sabrina, that was a real treat.

1919
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,760
Yeah, I do think it's fun.

1920
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:26,760
I mean that there was a twist is fun.

1921
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,160
But yeah, I didn't, you can do it.

1922
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,160
You can do it, said.

1923
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,160
It didn't hurt anything.

1924
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,880
I'm sorry, my child walked in.

1925
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,440
That was very, very attractive.

1926
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:36,440
Did she lose confidence?

1927
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:37,600
I lost a little bit.

1928
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:44,320
A little bit, a little bit, that immediately sucked my confidence out.

1929
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,920
2 out of 5, I'm going to mute.

1930
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:56,000
I'm going to do a 1.5 for location, because I actually think it's ideal.

1931
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:04,480
Like, like, Island East Coast Island, who doesn't want that, right?

1932
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:13,600
And a 0.5 for everything that my dog chewed off of the book that I couldn't get to.

1933
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:18,240
And then 3.5 negative for killing a bunch of dogs.

1934
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,240
Yes.

1935
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:29,760
That's never, like, I can't come back from that.

1936
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:37,160
And maybe if I added a 0.25 negative off of my 1.5, it would be for not telling me if

1937
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,680
they're ghosts or not.

1938
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,360
You got to tell us, guys, in your book.

1939
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:48,040
It is, it is strange that it isn't clarified if it's in her head.

1940
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,040
Where they are.

1941
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,040
Just give me a line.

1942
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:58,600
Just literally go like, and I, and I, and I wonder if I actually saw them that summer.

1943
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,600
Just give me a line.

1944
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:01,600
Yeah.

1945
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,920
And the ghost was strong coffee.

1946
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, leaving the smell of strong coffee lingering in the air.

1947
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:09,840
Great.

1948
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,880
Well, and at least at that age, she would have, like, she would have confidence to be able

1949
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,880
to say those words.

1950
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:15,880
Yes.

1951
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:16,880
Yes.

1952
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:17,880
Wow.

1953
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,160
So we're all pretty much in agreement.

1954
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,200
This was a tough one but an easy read.

1955
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,000
So a great pick.

1956
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,680
Can I just, can I say something that is like a literary criticism that I should have said

1957
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,480
at some point, at some point in the podcast?

1958
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:43,460
I, even though she knew the ending when she started writing it evidently, I really don't

1959
01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:49,120
feel like it was written as though she knew the end.

1960
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:53,640
I don't think, and the TV show, this is a criticism of that as well, because I was like

1961
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:59,960
actively watching to find out that they were ghost, so are figments of her imagination.

1962
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:05,200
And it's really hidden, really.

1963
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,800
Can you give away what it is in the show?

1964
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:15,120
So in the show when, like, I was watching, and there was one moment that stuck out at me

1965
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,400
where she's like laying on a beach blanket with Mirin who has died.

1966
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,400
It's also so funny.

1967
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:26,520
I'm talking about basically I mean, the character's names in this podcast, but she's laying

1968
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:32,480
on a beach blanket with, with Mirin and with one of the littles.

1969
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:38,360
And one of the littles says, tell me a ghost story.

1970
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,480
And Kate and says, why don't you ask Mirin?

1971
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:46,160
And the little goes hilarious.

1972
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,360
And then grandpa interrupts and then they all leave.

1973
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:55,680
But then when she realizes it, there's like a flashback moment of like all the times you

1974
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:01,400
see them and then they like take the ghosts out of the scene, so you see it happening without

1975
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:02,400
them there.

1976
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:09,280
And it's like, that scene you had to know it was a ghost to catch off.

1977
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,240
And I feel like it's meant to have that six cents moment.

1978
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,240
Yeah, I think they're trying to do six cents.

1979
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,320
Yeah, I appreciate that you shared that, Sabrina, because now I know I'm not.

1980
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:24,120
I'm not gonna watch the series based on just some details that I heard there.

1981
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:25,800
I was like, cool, got it.

1982
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,560
In the book, there also is the moment where like he does, he's like, I don't believe in

1983
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,240
Sunblock or something, but it's like, supposedly a reference to like, he can't get

1984
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:35,240
it.

1985
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,080
He's like, oh, I didn't even think of that.

1986
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
Like, what?

1987
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,080
Yeah, I just kept waiting.

1988
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,920
When's the payoff for that?

1989
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,960
When's the payoff where he's super sunburned?

1990
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,880
And the vacation is her wound.

1991
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,680
That's all for her wound.

1992
01:23:51,680 --> 01:24:00,520
In the show, there's a moment where her and Gat are in town and he buys her ice cream.

1993
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:07,560
Like he's the one who physically goes to the ice cream stand purchases it from another

1994
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:08,560
person.

1995
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,560
Wait, how does it go?

1996
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,600
Gets the ice cream, gives it to her.

1997
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,080
But I mean, they explain it later as like, no, that didn't happen.

1998
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,080
You were a magic.

1999
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,080
No, that's too bad.

2000
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,080
Okay, why?

2001
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,240
No, we have to change it.

2002
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,600
He could have been like, I'll buy it for you and then she goes, no, I insist.

2003
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,160
Like all they had to do was that.

2004
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,160
Right.

2005
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:33,880
Like, never have a ghost give someone a physical object if you want them to be a ghost.

2006
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,240
Did we do a little fucker of the cast?

2007
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:36,240
Did I miss it?

2008
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,240
No, I need to be in.

2009
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,240
No, let's go.

2010
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,240
Okay.

2011
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,240
We'll go up.

2012
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:46,360
So, David, you can go first if you have an immediate dislike or you can kind of wait, what is this,

2013
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,360
a story?

2014
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,080
We're going to vote for who you dislike to the most this cast between, we call it a little,

2015
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,440
little, little, little, little, little, little, little, little cast.

2016
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:55,440
Oh, the cast of the podcast.

2017
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:56,440
Yeah, the podcast.

2018
01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:02,880
We want to, yes, so, yes, so, don't try to pick one of our children, somebody did that

2019
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:03,880
one.

2020
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:04,880
Somebody did do that one.

2021
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:16,240
You have to pick one of our kids.

2022
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,720
You don't have to go over all of us.

2023
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,920
I picked myself for offending a teenager.

2024
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,280
Yeah, you can do that.

2025
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,520
You can definitely pick yourself.

2026
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,520
No, I'm going to pick Clara.

2027
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:32,520
Yeah.

2028
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,400
What happened to picking yourself?

2029
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,520
Because we disagreed on hair color.

2030
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:40,520
Okay.

2031
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,520
Yeah, you have the black, hairy blonde.

2032
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:43,520
Yeah.

2033
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:48,320
Well, I just disagreed with like the depression and the murder.

2034
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:54,920
Yeah, the symbolism that we see again and again in books, the black hair is evil and

2035
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:55,920
a witch.

2036
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,480
Usually the good person has red hair and there's nobody with red hair in this, so that

2037
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,920
made it really distinct and interesting, I thought.

2038
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,320
But everyone has blonde hair.

2039
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,440
Oh my god.

2040
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:08,440
My little fucker.

2041
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:10,440
Did I just not have any?

2042
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:11,440
No, don't worry.

2043
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:16,400
My little fucker, I asked what the dogs names were and then like nobody could even venture

2044
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,400
one guess.

2045
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,080
Nobody had an answer.

2046
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,600
So I'm a little mad at all of you about that.

2047
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,040
But I know I need to like latch onto one to target my anger.

2048
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,360
I can only pick one of you even though I'm a little mad that none of you knew the dog's

2049
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:29,360
names.

2050
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:39,040
Like I guess I'll go ahead and put it on Sarah because Sabrina at least tried Clara is

2051
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,200
a very famous dog, Lallor and David's our guest.

2052
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:44,800
Sarah, you're my dog.

2053
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:45,800
I have doggies.

2054
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:50,920
I have dogs and loves dogs and I loved hearing the description of your dog.

2055
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,280
I have it locked in.

2056
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,760
You have a whip it and you have a black dog that's a mix of a shepherd.

2057
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:57,760
Correct.

2058
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,760
Thank you for remembering this.

2059
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,760
Yeah.

2060
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,560
All right, so that's one vote for Sarah, one vote for Clara.

2061
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:04,560
Interesting.

2062
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,120
Okay, here's the thing.

2063
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,880
I went into this podcast.

2064
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,600
Also, I would really love for anybody to make me a.

2065
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:19,760
Oh, well, that wasn't where my voice was going to be, but I'll explain.

2066
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:26,320
I went into this podcast thinking I can't possibly pick Johnna because Johnna incredibly

2067
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:32,120
thoughtfully texted me before the podcast.

2068
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:42,320
And basically, Johnna said, I finished the book and I realized I got to the end and I realized

2069
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,760
that the end might be really triggering for you.

2070
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,360
And so we can like skip over as much as you need to.

2071
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:59,920
And my first thought was because I talked to ghost.

2072
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:07,120
But then I did remember that my childhood home burned down.

2073
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:15,240
So it was actually a really thoughtful test.

2074
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,720
But here's the thing.

2075
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,800
The whole fiasco with the summary.

2076
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:23,800
Yeah.

2077
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:31,520
I've got about for Johnna despite the extreme kindness she showed me.

2078
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:37,520
And I mean, I guess I was like, LOL, no need to tip to around it.

2079
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:42,280
So she was like, well, I guess I'll take that as a sign to give it away in the first four

2080
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,280
minutes of the cast.

2081
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:44,280
Okay.

2082
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:45,280
I hear that.

2083
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:46,280
All right.

2084
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,400
So I'm sorry, David.

2085
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,880
I wanted to make your dreams come true, but I love that for you.

2086
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,720
That was so remarkable.

2087
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:55,720
Yeah.

2088
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:56,880
It's the journey I had to take.

2089
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:57,880
All right.

2090
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:58,880
I accept it.

2091
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,880
Yeah.

2092
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:00,880
Yeah.

2093
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:01,880
Really?

2094
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:02,880
This is really spread out.

2095
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,880
This is unusual for us.

2096
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,120
Clara, you know what you have.

2097
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,120
No, I don't.

2098
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,120
No, I don't have really anything.

2099
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,720
I have retaliation to save it.

2100
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:20,040
I'm not sure.

2101
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,200
I could put on a wig right now.

2102
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,200
I could kill time.

2103
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,200
I could get a job.

2104
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,200
I could stall.

2105
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,440
Do a different color.

2106
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:27,440
Okay.

2107
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,440
I guess I'll go with David.

2108
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:37,400
I have retaliation and he asked for it.

2109
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:43,080
He also did a lot of visuals, this podcast, which is I like that.

2110
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,080
I like that.

2111
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,080
I like that.

2112
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,280
And famously in the lore of the cast, I've been against judgeable by its cover.

2113
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,280
Yeah.

2114
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,280
I'm like that.

2115
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:55,080
I am tend to be the one who's against a visual descriptions on an audio podcast.

2116
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,080
Yeah.

2117
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,680
You just reminded me that my vote for Donna doubles down because she called it described

2118
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:00,680
a vice cover.

2119
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,520
Well, we should do it more often.

2120
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:03,520
I'll know it.

2121
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:10,880
Wow, I love this is fun because I feel I have so much power right now because essentially

2122
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,800
there's a lot of the John, I declare a David and Sarah and myself.

2123
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:21,440
I will say I did consider John for similar reasons of the opening, but I also feel I was

2124
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:27,280
to blame a little bit since I suggested to her to do the only song.

2125
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,280
She doesn't honor you.

2126
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,280
So I couldn't ever.

2127
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,200
I couldn't possibly vote against her for that.

2128
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:42,360
But then she gave us a lot of information about the author, really other books.

2129
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:47,560
But she seemed to have the information, but she's right away was like, it's not the first

2130
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:48,560
time.

2131
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,800
You were supposed to tell us that.

2132
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,520
But I did, David, did ask for it.

2133
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:57,840
So I did want to give it to him, but he didn't really piss me off this episode.

2134
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,840
I did think, David, I did think you were going to be like, I knew the twist from the beginning.

2135
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:03,840
Did you?

2136
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:04,840
You didn't admit that though.

2137
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,840
The twist?

2138
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:06,840
Yeah.

2139
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:07,840
Okay, okay.

2140
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:14,040
At the top, I thought that was going to be your giveaway that nobody, I thought somebody

2141
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,040
would have figured out the twist.

2142
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,040
All right, I'm sorry.

2143
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:20,040
I mean, I'm going to just, I shouldn't do.

2144
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,640
Yeah, we shouldn't do John, huh?

2145
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,640
Doesn't make any sense.

2146
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:27,440
I don't have any, give it to Sabrina because then we're all equals.

2147
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:28,440
All right.

2148
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:29,440
I know what.

2149
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:30,440
Yeah.

2150
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:31,440
That's fair.

2151
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,440
I love getting so.

2152
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:36,840
I have a reason for Sabrina.

2153
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:44,760
It's because she read this book twice and watched an eight hour series, whereas usually, David,

2154
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:49,880
she has to listen to books at three times speed in order to get through them.

2155
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:55,440
So, uh, you just, you clarify both times, we're at three point five times.

2156
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:56,440
Okay.

2157
01:31:56,440 --> 01:32:01,360
I'm just saying you gave an inordinate amount of your time to this book compared to other

2158
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:02,360
my books.

2159
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,360
I just knew who the guest was.

2160
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:05,360
Yeah.

2161
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,360
That was right.

2162
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,400
So, this is the first time, I think this is the first time this has maybe ever happened,

2163
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,920
that we are all little, we are collectively, the little fuckers of the cast.

2164
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:14,920
So, congratulations.

2165
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,920
It's like a sisterhood of the trail.

2166
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:17,920
No, Jay, the thing.

2167
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:18,920
Somehow feel like I'm not.

2168
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,960
I'm somehow feel like it's more everybody else than me.

2169
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,760
I mean, I'm certainly more clear.

2170
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:25,760
All right.

2171
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:31,360
Next week, we have the plot against America.

2172
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:32,960
So go ahead, check that out.

2173
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,680
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2174
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,480
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2175
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:39,640
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2176
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,440
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2177
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:42,520
Please send us your recs.

2178
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:48,200
And David, do you have anything you'd like to plug knowing that this is coming out in August

2179
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:49,200
or September?

2180
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:50,200
Love.

2181
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,200
You want to plug love?

2182
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,200
I want to plug love.

2183
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,200
All right.

2184
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:55,200
I'm really fine.

2185
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,200
And go see my movie.

2186
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:57,200
And go see I don't understand you.

2187
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,360
I was gonna say, go see I don't understand you.

2188
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,360
It's very, very funny.

2189
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,440
It shows Italy in a different light than this book.

2190
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:09,400
And also, there's murder, but, oh man, give me a way too much now.

2191
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:10,400
I'm giving away too much.

2192
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:11,400
Fuck.

2193
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,400
If you've watched the trailer, you've seen the entire movie.

2194
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:14,400
No, I'm not sure.

2195
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:21,400
I was gonna say there's murder, but like the murderers are so likable, which is different

2196
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:22,400
than this book.

2197
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,000
The murderer is very dislikable, so you don't.

2198
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,000
But totally, it's hilarious.

2199
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:28,000
Go see it.

2200
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,000
All right.

2201
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,680
Anybody else have anything to add?

2202
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,200
I think I successfully avoided doing pretty, pretty princess.

2203
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:35,200
Yeah.

2204
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:36,200
No, we're gonna.

2205
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,200
No, pretty princess.

2206
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:38,200
No, it's dead.

2207
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:39,200
Thank you.

2208
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:40,200
Thank you, instead.

2209
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:41,200
Wait, it's dead.

2210
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,200
It's dead.

2211
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,200
It's not dead, and we've had this.

2212
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,200
Why is it dead, John?

2213
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:45,200
The episode three.

2214
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,200
'Cause we took yourself out of the rest.

2215
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:47,200
I think it's a pretty princess.

2216
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,200
It's dead.

2217
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:49,200
You can't take yourself out of the one.

2218
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:50,200
We don't want to do anything, David.

2219
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,200
It's not.

2220
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,200
It's not.

2221
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,800
I made up all I was gone.

2222
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,400
It's not dead, and you know what?

2223
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:56,800
I'm gonna vote for Clara.

2224
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,800
Although for myself, it's not all in now.

2225
01:33:58,800 --> 01:33:59,800
I'm the pretty, pretty princess.

2226
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:00,800
I vote for you too, Clara.

2227
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:01,800
Thank you.

2228
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:02,800
Thank you.

2229
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,800
David and John will raise everything.

2230
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:05,800
I love it.

2231
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:06,800
I love it.

2232
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,800
I love it.

2233
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,800
All right, everyone.

2234
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:10,800
Thank you guys for listening.

2235
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:11,800
We'll see you next app.

2236
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:12,800
Bye.

2237
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:13,800
Bye.

2238
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,800
♪ I can't wait for the love of God ♪

2239
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,000
♪ I'll fall down ♪

2240
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,400
♪ Let the ash fall down ♪

2241
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,000
♪ And wake my dreams ♪

2242
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,600
♪ Let it burn away ♪

2243
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,200
♪ My sanity ♪

2244
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,600
♪ 'Cause my friends died in the fire ♪

2245
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,400
♪ I won't us scream ♪

2246
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,200
♪ Even the dogs ♪

2247
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:38,800
♪ At the farthest burn down ♪

2248
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,800
♪ I'll call me Cle ♪

2249
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,800
♪ I'll call you Cle ♪

2250
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:44,800
♪ Cle ♪

2251
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,800
♪ At the farthest ♪

2252
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,600
♪ I'll find a match like ♪

2253
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,180
(upbeat music)

2254
01:34:53,180 --> 01:35:03,180
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