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This is the podcast all about the movies that were never made the scripts that were never filmed and the ideas that never
even made it to the page my name is Daniel Kawka and I'm Lexcee Riley
And
We're back
I know it's been a little bit of a break. We had a bit of a life life
Changes have been happening jobs jobs if you haven't heard about the jobs
the state of the industry in Los Angeles it is down quite a bit
It's a fun time
To give a sense of kind of how bad it is I've been hearing that
Productions down around like 20 to 30 percent. That's a much bigger number than that. Yeah in Los Angeles
It's a much bigger. Yes. Yeah, I
Talk to a tour guide at Warner Brothers Studios. Mm-hmm. He is a VIP tour guide and
one of the things that you do as a VIP tour guide is that you bring people into a soundstage and
He is oh boy. Yeah
Now he says that most of the sound stages are empty and he only has like one or two productions that he can bring his tours to
When I took the tour I guess a year and a half ago
They brought us on the Jennifer Hudson show because that was what was there?
Mm-hmm. I was like oh oh boy, but we're not here to talk about the state of the industry
We will go through that dread at the very end of the episode like you mentioned
We are here to talk about
Films that did not get made or maybe made actually actually the entire podcast is based on dread
It's just yeah, yeah
Hollywood just stop giving us content. It's too much for us oops. I'll drive we were only two people
We can only handle so much
Oh my god, so true
But we are gonna be here to talk about
Wiley Cody and Roadrunner me me I have to ask what is your history with loony tunes with the roadrunner and Wiley
So I was a big space jamkin
Mm-hmm
I liked loony tunes growing up as a tweety girl
Mm-hmm in fact there's a cruise when we were children called the big red boat
It was affiliated with Warner Brothers somehow because instead of Disney characters
You had all the loony tunes on the cruise and I got tucked in by a massive tweety bird
The dream yeah, but the whole cruise was like loony tunes themed
Which all came screaming back as I was watching the homework for this episode
It does not surprise me that they did that I mean there is a great time there is a Warner Brothers
Theme park amusement park or something in Australia still
That's fun. I mean we have six flags here which they right six flags used to really like hard partner with them
Mm-hmm. They still do they still use characters a lot of it is now DC
But yeah, we've used a lot of loony tunes cartoons and characters there. Yeah, I mean the popularity of loony tunes is not what it was of our use
Mm-hmm not so much we got a lot of other stuff. Yeah, Paw Patrol now
Paw Patrol which is probably why this movie didn't get made
Maybe we'll find I'm sure I'll find out exactly why not yeah
So for me I
Group with cartoon network
In cartoon network they always had loony tunes
Reruns happening all the time is that what loony tunes was on when we were kids was cartoon network?
Yeah, I mean cartoon network is owned by Warner Brothers
So it was a way to fill the time like they just made their new studio
They had a bunch of people who were making up new content like with Dexter's laboratory and powerpuff girls
All that stuff but like it's the cowardly dog
But then to fill the time during the day they just had a bunch of loony tunes content that they just it was their version of
I love Lucy and they can throw it in disindication as much as they needed to yeah, they would do the same thing with the handbar bear as well
But we do we do so yeah, that's my exposure to it. I also watch tiny tunes growing up. Oh my god
Tiny tunes
Wow, that just like fired in my brain. I forgot all there was a back pocket somewhere memory unlocked
Yeah, I watched a lot of tiny tunes. I watched loony tunes, but then growing up. I thought I was really into basketball
I was not such a good sentence
Turns out it is really low space jam I
Also think I had that for a while where I was like basketball fun
No, it's not no, you just like movies loony tunes and movies. That's what I wanted you want to be low-low bunny when you grow up
That's what face your ass. Yeah
So that is yet anything else I know very little about this movie other than like
Things you've told me over time or like murmurings of it
So I'm very excited to like actually learn more about it. Yeah, so let's go down the road and
Learn about and knock it hit by a train
A bus a truck
Dynamite yeah, but before we go down this road
We're gonna go down the road of these advertisements
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Yep, whatever your heart desire you can order it from them. Acme all right
Wiley Coyote and the road runner made their debut on September 17th when do you think that they actually first?
1973
1949
Wow, yeah, yeah, I was trying to make an assessment off of you starting to say it and I was like what was gonna come out next
I legit had no idea. It's older than Godzilla. That makes sense. I like four years, but yes
so it was a
Looney tunes and Mary Melody's theatrical short
This is something that I was taught when I was working at Warner Brothers is that when it came to the looney tunes shorts
And how they were utilized was that not everyone had television
Right, so the only way that you could show these shorts were in front of movies
I mean you also have kids going to
Movies and the thing is like movies were made for adults, but then you had cartoons and a lot of those cartoons were like because they were associated with studios
Right, they were oftentimes like making fun of the yeah, that's very clear
Yeah, so whenever you see like a worm that looks like Peter Laurie and you're just like oh, okay
I see what you're doing here. Yeah, yeah, they're not subtle. No
They were oftentimes shown before movies
It was always like you had the news reel and then you had the short and then you had the movie and then you had the trailers at
The end of the movie to show what other pictures are gonna be coming out soon. Could you see if we switch back to that now?
Yes, I hope so trailers at the end. We won't have time to grab a color
But they also put all of the credits at the beginning of the movie. It's true. Yeah, so we still have time
We're always gonna have time actually if they do that depending on the movie we might have more time yes
Marvel movies
So yeah premiered 1949 the idea of the predator in prey dynamic was not new to animation
We see it in the famous steamboat Willie Walt Disney
He repeatedly used it for the big bad wolf and the three little pigs
Even though he had a no-sequel policy he didn't like the
Reason an idea but because the three little pigs in the big way to wolf were just like gangbusters
He's like do it again. Just keep going there. It is he broke his own rule
They've never stopped breaking it and it was because of this
Three little pigs we would eventually get the chip and Dale getting chased by either Donald Duck or Pluto
Even Warner Brothers with loony tunes. They had so Vester the cat and Tweetie bird
They had Elmer Fud hunting bugs bunny and Daffy the prime staple of this genre what Cartine do you think it is it came from MGM studios?
MGM the lion and a mouse. Yeah, you're almost there mouse MGM had a mouth
I was going off of the MGM like logo, which is a lion and I was like if they must have made a cartoon
It's a line is a type of cat. This is a trap in a mouse cat mouse cat mouse trap a cat chases a mouse
What's the famous cartoon where a cat chases a mouse so Vester and Tweetie Tom and Jerry oh?
Tom and Jerry is
M. M.
Oops, I only know Tom and Jerry from baby mama
Really you didn't watch damage it did not watch a lot of Tom and Jerry growing up
I didn't watch a lot of cartoons growing up. I was watching black and white monster movies with my grip her
Explosal lot doesn't it?
trivia is gonna be a lot of fun later
So by the time in the 40s this formula had become
over saturated in overused and while E. Coyote and Roadrunner was actually meant to be a parody of this trope
But instead became the prime example of this genre
Yeah, that's what I was like to me. That's the staple, but yeah, Tom and Jerry's pretty obvious
Yeah, it's like how scream was supposed to poke fun at these like slash horror films and ended up just becoming the thing that
The original scary movie became the most iconic horror movie. Yes, yes it is
Yeah, but for those who are not familiar with the formula. It's pretty simple
Coyote is hungry and he wants to eat the road runner
Wiley sets up a trap usually he uses acme products the road runner unknownly
foils the Coyote's plans and gets hurt from falling off a cliff
He blows up or gets crushed by a falling object and sometimes it's all three of them
In the same episode. Yes
Wiley Coyote and the road runner was the brainchild of Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese
The idea was originally going to be a
One-off to poke fun at the overuse of the tropes and the predator prey formula
That's funny. They set the cartoon in the American Southwest desert or more specifically
Colorado's monument valley. We're considering Colorado the Southwest. Yeah, just like Michigan's the Midwest. Yes
Who named these things? I have no idea. I was like oh, Arizona and he said Colorado
I was like no maps were very different back then
And this was to get away from the domestic background so you're not like in a house or something like that
Right, you saw with Tom Jerry or Sylvester and tweet like and then we saw two animals that were native to that environment
That was the road runner and the Coyote Southern California. Yes
Chuck Jones got the inspiration for the Coyote from Mark Twain's book Roughing It wow
Mm-hmm in the book it says quote the Coyote is a long slim
Sick and sorry looking skeleton with a gray wolf skin stretched over it
A tolerably a bushy tail that's forever sags down with a
despairing expression of forsaken and misery
A fervent and evil eye a long sharp face and slightly lifted lip and exposed teeth
He has a general slinking expression all over like Coyote is a living breathing allegory of want
He's always hungry. He's always poor out of luck and friendless damn
The meanest creatures despise him even the fleas would deserve him for a philosophy
He is so spiritless and cowardly and even while his exposed teeth and pretending to be a threat
The rest of his face is apologizing for it and he is homely so scrawny and ribby and coarse-haired and pitiful
So Mark Twain might not have like Coyote so much
In my head I'm thinking of like the Coyotes that we see just walking around the neighborhood
I'm like they have gotten plump and bushy and don't look mean at all
They are getting into a garbage and some of them are friendly
Do not pet a Coyote
I mean have you pet a Coyote?
No
If I didn't have a dog it probably would have done
But we've encountered many multiple Coyotes here
They like our favorite bar too
So yeah this passage does give us great insight into the look of the Cartoon Coyote
But to make him more cartoonish Chuck Jones actually took the model of Bugs Bunny and then he tried to like make it the opposite
Of him in every way possible so like whenever there was like rounded edges
He tried to make it like sharp and jagged so like you know how Bugs Bunny has like the chubby cheeks
You can see like with the Coyote he still has the cheeks, but they're like kind of scrawny and I actually was thinking that Mark Twain's description is
That's the animation 100% like you can see the influence with like the teeth and the
Like the scrawnyness, but like the the fluffy tail. Yeah
There was also an animator there Ken Harris they also kind of
Used him as a model as well
Sorry Ken. I like Wiley Coyote
I don't know if it's just because I watched a lot of it in a row when I was like they're very mean to him
Yeah, he is
It feels so bad
I might have his soft spot for Coyote apparently
So although we know the main character now as a plan words while E in the original short
He never actually had a name and in early drafts the cartoon
He went by the name Don Coyote
I actually really like that. Yeah
For the road runner there wasn't much characterization to the bird
And said it was described to the animators. It was like a force
Rather than a character like the wind
And he would just draw a cloud of dust and then you just kind of put like a road runner in front of it
I mean all right. Yeah in
1949
We got the first Wiley Coyote in a road runner with the short fast and furious. I
Saw that title and was like they had no idea that they were like making a joke about movies like that far in advance
And I was like this is gold. This is fantastic
In it we get a lot of firsts that become the staple of the series
We get a freeze frame on the two characters
The road runner is
Accelerati
Incredibus
And Coyote is carnivorous
Vulgarous
It does change every single short
It does because there's was when I was watching it
I noticed there's another one where it's like carnivorous at first
And I was like when did that change and then the next one after that
I was obviously looking out for it and I was like oh this one's now very different. Yeah. They're always always different
So
The first gadget that the Coyote uses is a one genuine boomerang guaranteed to return
Only to be foiled by the road runners another genuine boomerang
The Coyote is crushed by boulder and he gets blown up. He paints a tunnel on the rock only for that's my favorite one
Yep only for the road runner to go right through it
And then he winds up and he's like okay if he can do it I can do it and he's like everyone
Two three
Blyarang
It's so good and the Coyote is suspended in the air until he looks down
And then he descends to his whistling doom
It's always when he looks I'm like orpheus stop turning around and just trust the process
I remember there was a
episode orphe was the movie
from
Tiny Toons
There was a point where the characters had to like walk across a chasm of some sort
And they're like oh
So if we just don't look down we won't fall
So they like step off the cliff and they're looking up and they don't fall the entire time that they go across
Yeah
Don't look down
The very first acne product that we see is a loosely fitting super outfit which fails to
Give Coyote super abilities and he ends up falling off the edge of a cliff
Again though he gets pretty far out and then he looks like looks down
Yep just don't look down more all the story
I will note that this is the only
Acme product in that first short
That surprised me I thought it was gonna be like everything is Acme which eventually they started doing
I also as a kid remember they're being a lot more Acme products and I was like
There's not as many
Yeah it's surprisingly very little
And in the last bit the coyote gets run over by a bus
And he
Missakens the bus is horn for the road runners
I like the road runner just laying in the back of the bus like hey and like
I've never noticed the tongue. Oh yeah
I was like oh okay
And then I couldn't not notice it and everything after that
In fact it was supposed to be a farce on chasers
And this was actually lost upon most audiences but instead this kind of laid out the rules for like chasers
This is kind of the what they started calling this genre was the chaser genre
Now I mentioned before that this was supposed to be a one-off
Jokes on them. Yeah
The short did gain a lot of popularity and
There was a lot of demand for another one in audiences they would not get one
For another three years until they got the short
B-B
Now something that might have been established although it's not fully confirmed
It was Chuck Jones's 11 rules to make a wily coyote and road runner short
Wilye
Coyote
Yes, while E
W-I-L-E
E
Coyote
The list was made known in Chuck Jones's
1999 autobiography Chuck Amuck
The life times of the animated cartoon
What a great title
Oh my god
So here are the 11 rules now I will say that I do have
Some footnotes in there because there are some like then the main b there's like some exceptions and whatnot
So the road runner cannot harm the coyote except by going B-B-B-B
Just he can just annoy them that's it he just annoy sim in anyway
Now the road runner's famous B-B that came from the background artist Paul Julian
This came about because he would walk behind people in the halls of the animation studio
And when anyone he would get in the way he would go B-B
Just to have him move out of the way
That's amazing
Chuck Jones thought this would be perfect for the road runner
So he actually had him record his B-B
And they would speed it up in the recording
Unfortunately Julian was uncredited for his voice because
Melblink was the only voice actor contracted with WB so they just like didn't tell them
It's a sound cue it's not a human yeah
Yeah no outside force can harm the coyote only his own ineptitude or the failure of acby products
There is the exceptions of like the trains trams
Yeah I was gonna say I mean that also comes from who is like
But the bug's bunny one is like bugs is actively hurting him
Yes but I guess that's not
That is a little different though the coyote can stop at any time if we're not a fanatic
We can stop anytime I want
Mm-hmm nice where?
The coyote's got an addiction for a while
There's a quote that Melblink uses from George Santayana
A fanatic is someone who redoubles his efforts when he's forgotten his aim
I like that definition
Yeah
There is no dialogue except
Or the howling in paint
Hmm here are a few exceptions in the second short with wily coyote that he ever appears in which is operation rabbit
That premiered in 1952 now it is wily coyote he's going after bugs
I don't like it
Yeah it's very weird
It was very jarring to me I don't ever remember seeing that as a kid and I was like you have a voice
And it doesn't match like what I need it to I was like this is
It was very weird it was this is painful
Allow me to introduce myself my name is wile e coyote
Genius I am not selling anything nor am I working my way through college
I so let's get down to cases you are a rabbit
And I am going to eat you for supper
That was Melblink who voiced it
Oh that makes so much sense
But this is where we actually get his name for the first time where he introduces himself as wily coyote
Two bugs bunny
Is this Hillsman sort of now let me hear to eat you
This dynamic didn't really go on for very long thank god they don't have the same charisma
It was only like five shorts that they had done together total
And then in the late 60s there was a series of wily coyotes in road runner comics
They were published and in them you can actually see their speech bubbles
And they talk in Shakespearean prose
So classy
Yeah it's odd like both of them do like even the road runner
I don't need either of them to speak really
They should not be they don't need to
No it has like a vaudevillian feel to it and I'm like I don't
Yeah there's so much visually there that you can understand the story without any dialogue
Yeah there's so much that's unspoken
And now the rule the road runner must stay on the road for no other reason
Then he is a road runner
The only exception is if the coyote lures him off the road
With a road like deceptive path
Mm-hmm the white line
Yes
All action must be confined in the natural environment of the two characters
So it needs to be in the southwest American desert
Colorado
Yes
All tools, weapons, and mechanical conveniences must be obtained by the acme corporation
So the acme corporation
It's just like a made up company within the looney tunes universe
Okay
That's what I always thought I just was like is there a lore or a reason or something deeper that they picked
They just came up with a company name and boom
And ran with it
Yep, just kept it really
Whenever possible make gravity the coyote's greatest enemy
The coyote is always more humiliated than harmed by his failures
Yep, me too man, me too
Something you touched on earlier
It says the audience's sympathy must remain with the coyote
Yeah I mean
To road runners is the kind of a jerk
Yeah in the end we always kind of feel sorry for the coyote
And then the last rule the coyote is not allowed to catch or eat the road runner
You come on
You got to keep the story going it's like Batman
It's like Batman doesn't kill people
Why?
Because then that villain can't return in the next comic
No comment
The rules didn't seem to be that strict
Like obviously they were
That was gonna save the go-around those quite a few times
Yeah, there were oftentimes where they were like broken
Especially rule four with not speaking
But then like I said it wasn't really confirmed because they ask
Michael Maltese about these and he's like
If we had any laws or anything I've never heard of them
So it might have just been like internalized
With Chuck Amuck
Mm-hmm
And then Chuck was just like oh yeah they were kind of a there was kind of a rule that we we followed for all of us
Unspoken all of those rules are very much the parameters of the world that they created
So in 1953
Welley Cooyote and Road Runner shorts were released more regularly
With Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese behind the scenes for the first 16 shorts
Up until 1959
The design of the Road Runner changed but not so much
The face became rounder the wings became smaller
And the plumage was much taller
Plumage
For the coyote he became a darker shade of brown
And his knees became even much more uneven
Yes
He becomes more nobily over time
He is very angry
Engly
Cause he hasn't eaten in 60 years
What has drastically changed though was the background art illustration by Maurice Noble
Now Noble he started his career at Disney
He was making a realistic backgrounds for the films
Snow White, Pinocchio, Fantasia
And then he made his shift over to Warner Bros in Looney Tunes
And he continued the same style
As the shorts continued he noticed that the realistic landscape
Didn't really match the tone of like the wacky shorts
So then he changed his style drastically
To give the desert background a more like
Zany stylized look
Looney Tunes would again mess around with the format in 1953
Moon Weilly appears as a red nose wolf
And is given the name Ralph in the seven shorts known as
Ralph Wolf and Sam sheep dog
Where Ralph is on hunt for a sheep while attempting to find him
He's given up
He's trying to find multiple ways to distract
Sam the sheep dog from guarding them
The justification for making it widely
Into like three different characters
Was that the animators treated the cartoon characters like they were actors
Portraying different roles
Yeah that I know because they do it with bugs a lot
Oh yeah
Bugs, porcupig, daffy
They always put them in just like
Especially when they're doing like farces parodies of war and about their movies
And when you think of them sort of poking fond of studios back in the day
Like that makes sense
That's the best way you can do it
In 1959 Maltese moved on to work for Hannah Barbarra
Jones would continue to work with making the series
With 13 more road runner shorts with the help of John Dunn
One to note is beep prepared
Which was actually nominated for an Academy Award
Hey
Yeah
In the 1960s television was becoming increasingly more popular in loony tunes
Made the shift from being shorts that was shown
Before Warner Bros movies to cartoons regularly shown on television
Warner Bros had already premiered the bugs bunny show in 1960
And so Jones and Dunn threw the hat in the ring to pitch the adventures of the road runner
But it was never picked up
But the shorts that were originally made for the pilot
The three of them were released separately from 1963 to 1965
In 1963 Chuck Jones was the let go from Warner Bros
When he breached his exclusivity contract
When it was discovered that he wrote a short for UPA animation
For the short titled gay paris
In my head I'm like is that the skunks?
No
It's not
It is not
I'd know we're close to it
Mm-hmm
Along with Jones his entire animation team was like
Yeah
They didn't do it
That is unfair
God
Now this didn't seem like a targeted...
He's upset
He was on the picket line too
Yeah
He also lost his job
This didn't seem like a targeted tech though
It was known that the animation department was not well liked by Jack Warner
Soon after the entire Warner Bros animation department
was shut down
Fortunately Fritz Freeling
And David H. DePatti created DePatti in Freeling Enterprises
They rehired many of the employees that were let go
And they leased the same building that they were animating in
At the Warner Bros. Law
Hell yeah
So they were let go and they're just like oh I guess it's...
Don't even move myself out, give me 15 minutes
I'm just gonna go sign a different contract
Warner Bros. did not want to let go of the iconic loony tune series
And actually contracted the enterprise to continue their content
Oh my god
So like...
What are we doing here guys?
Like do you think...
Paperwork, we're doing paperwork
Yeah
It just seems like
Warner Bros. just never really liked their animation department ever
And it's just history of eating itself
We're going over and over again
If you look at how animation and even visual effects are sort of viewed now
They are telling a majority of stories
And have been since almost the beginning
But they're almost looked down upon
Yeah
Like oh you're not a live action movie
And it's like but you can't make...
Especially now you can't really make a live action movie
Without any sort of visual effects
No, like they all need it
And like animation is its own complete story
And now there's kind of this weird pride
Whenever there's a movie that comes out
And they quote unquote don't use CGI
I'm not gonna get on the soapbox
Yeah
It seemed to be business as usual
But the animation studio was limited
With half the budget that they were used to
And they used limited animation styles to make up for it
This era of loony tunes has been looked upon as the worst
In its...
I was gonna say the golden era
Yeah
The studio made 60 new loony tunes shorts
With 14 being road runner shorts
And of those 14, 11 were dedicated to a third party format
Films for...
Yeah
Depaddie and Freelying were unaware of the 11 rules of the format
Yeah, the format was immediately broken
The wild chase
And the pair was put into the real world with people
And Wiley teamed up with Sylvester
And the road runner with Speedy Gonzalez
Uh-huh
Yeah
It's a very...
Very strange to see them kind of out of their element
Is Sylvester and Tweedy considered a chase?
Yes
They always had more of a story to be, I don't know why
That's because of the grandma
Yes
With the bat
Yes
The other rules that were broken were
Wiley
He was being tormented by outside forces
And not of his own volition
Of his own efforts
And many of the gags were recycled from the previous cartoons
W.B cancelled their contract with Depaddie
And Freelong Enterprise
And I'll be fired you were to fire you again
After three years
And with it the road runner series had skated to a halt in 1966
The duo would live in reruns on CBS's The Roadrunner Show
In 1966 that would feature shorts
From the Chuck Jones era tied together with new bridging sequences
In 1968 CBS premiered at the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner Hour
A whole hour
But they were using the same rerun format until 1975
When ABC acquired the rights to loony tunes
They basically just did the same thing
In 1979 we got the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner movie
Now this wasn't really a movie in the traditional sense
Instead it was a collection of already made loony tunes
Shorts compiled together
With Bugs Bunny bridging the sequences altogether
The film took highlights from the road runner shorts
And sprinkled them into the feature
Later the same year loony tunes came out with the Christmas special
Bugs Bunny loony tunes Christmas Tales
With three new shorts
And for the first time in 13 years
Had we gotten a new road runner short
So they're just repackaging the old stuff for 13 years
Yeah that's nuts
You could never do that now
One of the new road runner shorts that was Freeze Frame
That one was actually tricked by Chuck Jones
He's back
Yeah
And after 17 years
So this is 13 years after being like fired
Yeah
And then 17 years later Chuck Jones finally made another road runner short
That's life is like wild to be like 17 years later
I'm gonna revisit the character
Yep, although Jones would have to break one of his rules
And 70
No, no
He did set the short in the Alpine landscape
Because it's Christmas
Colorado
Mm-hmm
Chuck Jones would get another chance in another
TV special Bugs Bunny's Bustin Out All Over
This one is gonna happen
Excuse me?
Yes
We didn't really think names through too much back then
But this was in 1980
And he was able to direct soup or sonic
And finally the formula was back
The names are really
Mm-hmm
Really great
Yes
Of course this wouldn't be a proper cartoon
If it wasn't for its commercial usage
(laughs)
The most notable is when Plymouth
licensed the road runner name in 1968
For their muscle car Plymouth Roadrunner
And proceeded to make new models until 1980
The car had road runner decals all over it
It had a coyote, duster, air filter
And the horn even sounded like the character
Mm-hmm
They spent a lot of money
To make sure that was true
Is this Toyota? Who did this?
This is Plymouth
Plymouth, Plymouth is no longer a thing
Yeah it was part of Chrysler
It's a really beautiful car
Mm-hmm
That's wild
Yeah
Now the influence of Wiley Coyote and the road runner were everywhere
And one film in particular tried to cash in on trying to emulate it
In 1979 Columbia Pictures released the villain
Have you ever seen the villain or heard of it?
No
But I hope that there's a twirly mustache involved
Kind of
It starred Kirk Douglas and Margaret in Arnold Schwarzenegger
(laughs)
Why year was this?
1979
Critic Jean Siskel stated in his review
villain is like road runner but isn't funny
(laughs)
Oh my god
The film stole many gags from the cartoon
Oh my god, the poster
Yeah
That's not gonna age well
It's rough
(laughs)
The fastest fun in the west
Oh boy
(laughs)
Yeah, the film stole a lot of the gags from the cartoons
But putting it in real life just did not work
Yeah, there's a reason
Yeah
Wiley Coyote and the road runner did make small cameos in who framed Roger Rabbit
Although the film was supposed to take place in the 40s
Before the two were ever created
Robert Zemekas made the exception
Because he was such big fans of them
The two would continue to live on through cameos in tiny tunes adventures
And the anime X
For the very last time we got a Chuck Jones written and directed road runner short
Was in 1994 with chariots of fur
(laughs)
The pair would continue to live on in other shorts
And animated variations
There was the baby versions of the two
And baby loony tunes
And
Oh I remember baby loony tunes
In the short little go-beep
(laughs)
There was the extreme loony tunes unleashed
A kind of superhero futuristic team up
Or Coyote is tech-e-coyote
And road runner is red runner
It's weird
This was a cartoon from our childhood
No, I think this is past our time
Past our time
We're two or two old for that?
There was a series of four short stun in CGI animation released in 2010
That was paired with various DVDs
In one premiered at the 2014
Anisee International Animation Film Festival
The two would also appear at the ends of various episodes of the loony tunes show
And they would show in 19 limited CG animated shorts
There's a lot of other places where the two have made their appearances
There's too much for us to like mention all here
Because we'd just be here all day
But if you want to see any of the latest road runner shorts
Currently right now, I don't know if they're still going
Which, because it's on Max
It's HBO, it's Warner Brothers
The latest cartoon from loony tunes is the loony tunes cartoons
Which is currently on Max
The first short that was created after Chuck Jones's death
Was the Wizard of Owl
No, I did not like this one
It was released in 2003
And it was included on the DVD of loony tunes and back in action
The loony tunes back in action
The mummy
Right, and Jenna Elfen of Darman Greg
Yep
What a deep cut
Which they also made an appearance in the two of them
The road runner in the comedy
In back in action
I've not seen back in action in a really long time
We'd always bring it up on the Warner Brothers tours
Because there was a scene on the Warner Brothers lot where Daffy Duck takes the Batmobile
And backs it into the water tower
And the water tower tips over the silver splashes everywhere
(laughs)
The other films where they have appeared is in the 1996 Space Jam
Yes!
And again in the 2021 Space Jam a new legacy
Yeah
Although the duo had their time on the silver screen
Given where they started
They never actually had a feature length film
That was until Warner Brothers Pictures announced in 2018
That they were developing a film
Coyote vs. Acme
The story of Coyote vs. Acme actually comes from a New Yorker article
Written by Ian Frazier
Published in February 1990
Wow!
Oh wow
Yeah
It is an argument from Mr. Coyote's attorney, Harold Schof
Where he laid out an argument for how various Acme products failed
And how they caused his client personal injuries
Mental suffering, loss of income
And that Acme has a monopoly over the manufacturing of these products
And does not allow outside competitors
It's really interesting to read this article because it reads like a legal deposition
Yeah, like a legal document to be like
Here's the case
Like he makes it as official as possible
And yet it's still talking about cartoon character
It's actually pretty fun to go through
That is pretty great
Mm-hmm
The products mentioned in the argument were the Acme Rocketsled
Rocketscapes
The little giant firecracker
Self-guided aerial bombs and spring-powered shoes
Oh my god
The injuries listed were pretty comical
The following disfigurements to Mr. Coyote
One severe syngine of the hair
On the neck, head and nozzle
(Coyote grunting)
Soty discoloration
Fracture of the left ear at the stem
Causing the ear to dangle in the aftershock after creaking
I don't know why that really grossed me out
For full or partial combustion of whiskers
Producing, cranking, fresling and ash-y disintegration
Radical widening of the eyes
Due to brow and lid charring
Oh my god
The sequence of collisions resulted in the systematic physical damage to Mr. Coyote
Flattening of the cranium
Situase displacement of the tongue
Reduction of length of legs and upper body
Whoa
And compression of the vertebrae from base of tail to head
Repetition of blows along a vertical axis
Produced a series of regular horizontal folds
In Mr. Coyote's body tissue
Well
A rare and painful condition in which cause Mr. Coyote to expand upward
And contract it downward
Alternatively as he walked
The accordion
Yep
A accordion like wheezing with every step
Oh my god
Yay
In conclusion, Schof, are you the Acme Company should pay
$38 million, $750,000 in damages
Seems low
There was like a breakdown of it and I just like total it all up
That's amazing
Yeah
This was going to be the basis of the movie
So this was what inspired it was that
I don't know if there was one to do like exactly
In the case that there was on there
But they do love the idea that Coyote being represented
And a court drama would be pretty great
Development for the film started in 2018
With the plans of it being a
Wow
Hang on, so that article came out in 1990
Yeah
And then the movie didn't even touch development until 2018
No one even thought to make it into a movie
28 years that just idea sat in development purgatory
Well like the article had come out
There was no plans on making it right
But it just sat in limbo for
It just sat there, it was just
It served its purpose, it was an article
Yeah
28 years later to use that as source material, it was really great
Yeah
The development for the film started in 2018
And the plan was to have it be a hybrid live action animated film
Much like space jam and who framed Roger Rabbit
Yeah
To write the script W.B. hired Chris McKay
Who is known for writing legal Batman
And John and Ash Cieberman from Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Yeah
In December 2019 W.B. announced Dave Green
To direct the film Dave Green
He might know him as the guy who directed Earth to Echo
And Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles out of the shadows
Is that the new one?
No, not Mutant Mayhem
That's what I knew you'd think
Yeah
I think that's the like live action kind of
Oh
I'm Kenny Valley ones
Oh
Yeah
John and Josh Cieberman they were no longer writing the script
But they also stayed on as producers
In December 2020
McKay left the project and Cieberman's went back into the role of screenwriters
With the addition of Sam Birch who wrote "Made December"
Whoa
Yeah
Did you see "Made December"?
I have not
Okay
I know it's intense
Yeah
That's what I'm like
What a jarring pivot
They also got Jeremy Slater who wrote "The Lazarus Effect"
Fantastic Four, "Pet Death Note"
And some episodes of "Unbrella Academy"
And they got James Gunn of Scooby Doo fame
Yes, that is what James Gunn is 100% of him as well
Yes
It was also around this time that WB announced that its release date would be July 21st, 2023
Uh-huh
The cast was Eric Bowser
He would voice Wiley Coyote along with other loony tunes actors
I don't need him to have a voice
Well, I mean if he's gonna yell for anything
But if you don't know through Eric Bowser
He is the voice of loony tunes right now, he does most of them
Is the male block of our time?
Essentially yes
Okay
So they just brought him in because yes he'll voice Wiley Coyote
But he's basically there to voice any character that's there
Got it
Yeah
Acceptable, I was like we're breaking the rules
Mm-hmm
Will Forte and Lana Condor, which you may remember from
To all the boys I've loved before
I've actually never seen it
Oh
I know
I'm the target audience
They were there as the Coyote's lawyer
And then Akmi had a defense lawyer
Do you who do you think
I have no idea
Oh
I literally like was under a rock for this
It is someone that you don't see
The invisible man
John Cena
Oh
I don't get that reference
Oh he does a thing where he
I don't get an alpha
Just face
You watch the wrestling or two
No
That I am not the target audience for
All right
Uh
That's his move
Yeah
You don't see me
Yeah
Okay
It's the thing
I don't understand wrestling
I mean I get why people like it
Mm-hmm
Yeah
So John Cena was gonna be Akmi's defense lawyer
Wow
John Cena and Will Forte
Mm-hmm
There was a list of like other
Loon Tune's characters that were confirmed
There was Falkorn Lakehorn
Yes
Granny Sylvester the cat
Tweety
Bugs Bunny
Daffy Duck Elmer Fud
Yulissemity Sam and Perkett Pig
Do you know how I know who Falkorn Lakehorn is?
Because of knives out
No
Oh
Because of friends when Phoebe is getting a tattoo
And she's like "Ah, Falkorn my corn!"
As a kid I was like I need to know what tattoo she wanted
And then I looked it up and was like "What?"
That is funny but it is one of her brothers' property
Interesting
She's like "I'm gonna tattoo if Lily goes with my mom"
Those are Neko-R
Only Lisa Koojo can pull off that line
Mm-hmm
Filming head began in March 2022 and wrapped in May of that year
Well I didn't know they filmed it all
This is so exciting
I like I'm pretty up to date on film news
But for some reason this one has like slunked on by
And where do you think they filmed it?
Not here
Like if you think about the landscape of where Coyote
I hope Colorado
Well you're close because it's Alberta, New Mexico
Where I-
Where that is the American Southwest?
Finally
Well principal photography was in production
WB quietly removed
Coyote versus Akami's release date
And announced that instead of that
There was another film that had John Cena in it
That premiered on July 21st 2023
What movie was that?
It's a big hit
She's got the helmet on
Suicide's gone?
Barbie
Oh right
He's-
I wasn't listening to release it
I was listening to John Cena
Going through John Cena Warner Brothers properties
Did he actually make the cut of Barbie?
Yeah he was in the ocean
He's the merman
Yeah
There's so many parts of Barbie that like that is-
It was a bit of a stretch but yeah
On November 9th 2023
It was reported by Deadline that Coyote versus Akami was cancelled
Even though the film was near completion
The report came when it was discovered
In Warner Brothers Q3 report
That they cancelled the film
In an attempt to use it as a 30 million dollar tax right off
The production was estimated to have cost 70 million dollars to produce
They didn't even announce it
And most of the crew members working on the film
They were still working on the movie
When that news was announced
This was the third devastating blow to the studio
Since David Zazof had become CEO
Before that we had back girl in Scoop holiday haunt
They were cancelled for the exact same reason
A tax right off
From a WB spokesperson
With the relaunch of Warner Brothers Pictures animation in June
The studios have shifted its global strategy
To focus on theatrical releases
With this new direction
We have made the difficult decision
Not to move forward with Coyote versus Akami
We have tremendous respect for the filmmakers
Cast and crew
And are grateful for the contributions for the film
The day after the cancellation
Composer Steven Price posted a recording session
Of the road runner choir performing
"Meep Meep"
The language is almost identical to what they said about
Scoop
Yeah
And this was what 2022?
2023
Are we pre-strike? Are we in the strikes?
That would have been
We're in the strikes at this point
We are in the strikes yes
Because March April is about when it started
Obviously this is sad
And they shot that the whole thing
With the state of the industry
I think everyone is trying to just figure out
How to save the industry from dying
So I always am like
Yes it's awful and terrible
It always reminds me of Joey and Rachel living together
Where you're just throwing pasta at the wall
Yeah
Or what paper towel
What paper towel is here?
It's a wet paper towel
Yeah
What's heartbreaking about the cancellation of this film
Is that this is the same as how we felt when
Back girl and Scoop holiday haunt was canned
The film was basically complete
Many of the filmmakers that worked on the film
Called Warner Brothers Fierce
With this decision
Zazloth is treating the studio like a hedge fund
And not a film studio
Other filmmakers cancelled their meeting with Warner Brothers
Preventing themselves from seeing the same fate
There
What makes the situation even worse is that the film
Was praised in its test screenings
Receiving an A rating from test audiences
For those who are making the decisions to cancel the movie
They never even screened the final film
CEOs and chairpersons of Warner Brothers
Motion Picture Group
Michael Diluka
And Pam Abdie
They saw the director's cut
And that was it
Warner Brothers Pictures Animation President
Bill Damaskey
Only watched the first audience preview
And David Zazloth
He never saw the movie at all
On November 13th just four days later
Warner Brothers reversed their decision after the major backlash
The film wouldn't be cancelled
But was given back to the filmmakers to allow them
To shop it around to other distributors
Okay
According to Deadline
Amazon, MGM
Apple and Netflix were interested
By December 8th
It was reported that
Paramount and Sony Express interest in distributing the film
And Netflix and Paramount placed a bid
To buy distribution rights
And Amazon was still expressing interest
I mean at this point there is enough marketing and PR
That an amp should have paid for that
Yeah
And the hopes to bring attention to the matter
Voice actor Eric Bowser
He posted on his Twitter an official screenshot
From the film
The screenshot that most
Every news outlet
Now he uses which is Wiley sitting next to a forte
And a lot of condor is right behind them
In the caption it says
"See ya in 2024"
Cody versus Zach Me
Well it's 2025
So
Yeah, by February it was announced that WB was rejecting all the bids from Netflix
Amazon and Paramount
Because it's none of...
This makes me more upset
Yeah
Because none of them were meeting their asking price of 75 to 80 million dollars
It was rumored that the film would be shelved
And possibly deleted
What?
Yeah
Why deleted?
I don't know
In the age of the cloud
So the editor of Cody versus Zach Me
Carsten Karpanaak
He tweeted out
"Ciode versus Zach Me is about a giant corporation choosing stock over empathy
Doing nothing legal
But morally shady stuff for profit
It's a David versus Colleis story
It's about a cynical and casual coolness of capitalism and corporate greed
No wonder Warner Bros. doesn't want to release
Coyote versus Zach Me
During a Q4 earnings call
It was reported that WB
Took a $115 million right down for cancelled films
It was not specific for which productions it was referring to
I mean, yeah
Yeah
In January 2025
Lana Condor during a screen rant press junket for valiant one
Revealed that she attended the funeral screening of Coyote versus Zach Me
God
It's a statement
We'll look like so
When I went to the funeral screening I thought to myself like
Maybe the movie isn't good
And maybe I was wrong
Watch the film
And I personally think it was my best work
I've ever done and I think it was funny
And kind and put a real positive message
And that was really truly devastating for me
For me and for everyone involved
I think this is...
Well, look Forte was doing press for kind of pregnant
He was asked about Coyote versus Zach Me
My thoughts were that it's a f*cking bullshit
It is such a delightful movie
It deserves so much better than God
I don't...
I can't tell you possibly
why the decision was made to not release it
But it makes my blood boil
And thank you for asking me about it
Because I like talking about the movie
Because I want them to...
I don't want people to forget what they did to this
That said, I appreciate them letting us make it
But don't let us make this thing that we fall in love with
And then not show it
I mean, I would understand if the thing sucked
But it's really good
Like I...
When Eric Bowser attended the writer's Guild of America award
In February, he was asked by ScreenRant
About the film
If it would be released any stated
That's the question of the year
And it's only February
I'm going to say yes
If the movie "The Day the Earth Blue Up"
A Looney Tunes movie
Which opens on March 14th
And theaters everywhere
If it gets a lot of money
Then we might see coyote versus zack me
Strangers things have happened
And if we don't
I'm going to put the movie under everyone's seat as a DVD
Now I'm just kidding
I was kidding David Zazloff
You didn't see that here
So wait, "The Earth Blue"
The day "The Earth Blue Up"
That has released already?
Mm-hmm
Did it do well?
Uh...
Do you know?
And we're going to find out
After these ads
And we're back
So "The Day the Earth Blue Up"
It made $11.6 million in the box office
With a budget of...
15 million
Oh...
So, we'll see what the fate is for it
The film has left a legacy
That feels reminiscent of
Released the Snyder Cut
With the hashtags
Save Coyote versus Zack Me
And release Coyote versus Zack Me
Trending on social media
There are many YouTube videos
And small news outlets
Releasing new information constantly
All of which seem to demonize
David Zazloff and WB executives
For making this decision
During the 51st Any Awards
Bowser improved in exchange
Between bugs and daffy
During his speech, stating
I hate to be political
But release Coyote versus Zack Me
It seems like everyone
That got to screen the film
Praise it
I do wonder how
The legality of tax incentive works
If you get the tax break
Are you allowed to sell it?
Are you allowed to screen it?
I don't think you can make
Any semblance of profit off of it
That would negate the tax break
If there's any entertainment lawyers listening
We would love to talk to you
Yeah
Because this is
Well beyond my understanding
I want to understand it better
I feel like it's very easy to
Be angry about this
And I felt the same way about Scoob
It is very easy to just go
This is stupid and please like release it
But without diving into the deeper parts of it
I don't know, I just I want to understand better
Yeah
So if you're an entertainment lawyer
Please help us understand
After screening the final cut
We'll for take release a public statement saying
To the casting crew of Coyote versus Zack Me
I know that a lot of you haven't gotten a chance to see our movie
And sadly it's looking like you never will
When I first heard of our movie getting deleted
I hadn't seen it yet
I was thinking that everyone else must be thinking
This must be a hunk of junk
But then I saw it
And it's incredible
Super funny throughout
Visually stunning, sweet, sincere, and emotionally resonant
In a very earned way
As the credits rolled
I just sat there thinking how lucky I was to be part of something so special
That quickly turned into confusion and frustration
This was the movie they're not going to release
Look when it comes to Hollywood business stuff
I don't know shit about shit
Even when a movie tests very well like ours
There's no guarantee that it's going to be a hit
And at the end of the day the people who paid for this movie can obviously do whatever with it
It doesn't mean I have to like it
I fucking hate it
Or agree with it
It doesn't mean that this movie is anything less than magnificent
You'd be so proud of it
A movie that you should be seen
But won't
Please know that all the years and years of hard work
Dedication
In love that you put into this movie
Shows in every frame
That's all folks
Again there was a very similar statement for scoop
Yeah that's so harsh for anyone who
Not just worked on the movie but like they really dedicated
So much time effort, artistic ability
And this is also a property that like
I'm guessing a lot of these animators like they grew up watching
Looney Tunes and to finally be a part of that and to be taken away
Like we talk about it I feel like in every episode
It is seemingly impossible to get a movie made
If you think about how many writers just sit and write all day
And then you think about how many like development kids are reading those scripts that get written
The steps that it has to go through to get greenlit
And then you get to greenlit and you're like
We did it
Yeah and then to get to season two
There's no semblance of safety in any step anymore
Because you're like okay we're shooting like great
We moved out here and we were like we're gonna be in each other's web series
And are all our little projects
And half of those never see the light of day
And you're like all right but once you make it
That doesn't happen anymore
No
There's no difference to that
No it is just hard work with success every once in a while
Yeah when we did the scoop episode
That's why I was like it is so important to go and see movies
I was reading something over break where
They're trying to really revitalize movie theaters
Which is fair
But one of the suggestions was to put a zipline in the lobby
I feel like you're just here for the zipline
Our focus is not on the creative thing anymore
It is focused on the money or the next big thing
Our focus like I said is on survival
And unfortunately what that means is that a lot of the creative is getting lost
Yeah
Now to tell you the twists in the story
Do you have a secret? Did they put it under your seat?
Do you have the DVD?
Yes
That's all folks we're gonna go watch the movie
As of March 31st, 2025
So less than 30 days ago
It was reported by deadline
That catch-up entertainment
Excuse me?
Yes
Has completed a deal with Warner Brothers
Yes
And purchased the rights to distribute the film for $50 million
How does that work?
Mr. Entertainment lawyer or Mrs. or Mrs.
What is it?
Catch-up was the same studio that salvage the loony tunes movie
The day the earth blew up just a year before
Catch-up studios, what's it called?
Catch-up entertainment
Catch-up exactly what you're thinking of
Is spelled that way
I mean that's really honestly perfect to put out animation
I mean they're doing the Lord's work
Okay now go save school please
Yeah
If you can buy it
But why could you buy one and not the other?
Again, I have so many questions
Yeah
I just want to understand try to help me understand
Yeah
We might actually see this movie
I can't imagine being the cast and crew of this movie
And the roller coaster of emotions
That you have to be on
Of like anger to hope
To frustration
To like why?
At this point you really just have to be like
Okay
Yeah I think a lot of them just like
We made the movie we did what we could
And we're proud of what we did
To make sure to not get our hopes up
Again just be like we made it
The fate of the movie is just out of our hands
And we just need to literally
And is out of everybody's control
Except catch-up
We just got to move forward knowing that we did the best we could
And that's coyote versus acme
In the history of the road runner shorts
I like when we do these episodes
They're so depressing
*laughs*
What's a movie?
*laughs*
It's a very different podcast
We don't have time for that
Okay
So we're gonna get into
Recommendations?
Yeah
Let's do recommendations
We always do movies
But I'm going to do a show this week
Because I haven't seen a movie in like a month
I'm my own worst enemy
I know what show you're gonna do
Is it gonna be the studio?
It's gonna be the studio
Yeah I mean there's also
Hack season three is out
I'm just gonna like
Or no season four
Excuse me
Pardon
Oh man I'm gonna do both
I love them both so much
So is depressing as this episode has been
The thing that gives me hope is watching
The studio
Because it is shot
On Warner Brothers
Yeah
Being a former tour guide
They are like
Everything about the show
Like I recognize
And I can definitely tell
Whenever they like make something up
So like
Uh-huh
Is building that they go to?
Is a Frank Lloyd Wright building
That is not on set at all
No
It's a CGI facade
Uh-huh
But inside the office is
The interior
That's inside of a soundstage
Also
They're doing a lot of winners
And as someone who understands
The stitching of a Warner
Even the second episode
Which is about a Warner
Yes
Is all shot as a Warner
Which is
Such an industry
Dorky
Like
But thrilling
I'm starting to be a friend about this
And she's like
Isn't that the most anxiety
Episode of television
You've ever watched
I was like
No I love it
Like I
I was like this is what
Maybe nurses or doctors
Watch a
Medical procedural
I don't know like
They don't do that
They do do this
Like
No
It's thrilling to be able to watch that side
I hope it gets many more seasons
Because
One it's shot here
Right here on the lot
And there's a joy of film
Making in every single frame of that
Yeah
And you can tell that like
Seth Rogan is ecstatic to be
Everyone who's on the project
Is incredibly excited to be there
And it just emanates
Like Catherine Hahn
Her career has been on the study inclined forever
It's like the next thing she does is even
Better
Which as a fan of Agatha
I was like, how do you top that
There is the marketing person
Who is saying all these gen Z terms
With such fluidity
I'm like I'm here for it
And Iq Baron Holtz
Who I've seen in a bunch of other stuff
This role is so good for him
What are my favorite exchanges
From watching it was
He's talking to the rejectionist
Like he just got the job
And he's like
Man, don't you just love film
It's just like
There's the warmth
The grittiness to it
And just be like the texture
It just
Brings you back
And the projections like
Yeah, it's the pain in my ass
Digital I just push a button
Uh-huh
Oh my god
It's so good
And it feels like old Hollywood film
But also still super modern
Also Catherine O'Hare is in it
How do we get through seven minutes of talking about this
And we're like
Oh right, and also Catherine O'Hare
Yeah, the cast is stacked
The cast is stacked
Martin Scorsese
Yeah
Crys
I'm so shocked
That they got Martin Scorsese
In that mold
Like
It's so good
Yeah, it's fantastic
I can't get enough of it
When you're done with that
Because it's short
Watch hacks
Have you watched the new season of Hack-A
I got
It's so good
I only saw the one clip
That was just like
And email sent
He's like
Oh, you can't
Unsent
Email is like
No, you can't
I can't
You still use
Hotmail
The writing on that show
Is so good
There's a reason it keeps winning awards
Yeah
I think that as a concept
Could get stale very quick
The new season
Has really changed
Their dynamic in a way
That like you cannot come back
From the things that have been done
And to
Watch them both grapple with that
We've seen them be buddy buddy
There's always a problem
They get buddy buddy
Something good happens
Yeah
This season
Just feels different
In the best possible way
What's your recommendation?
I have two recommendations
But they
You were gonna judge me for having two
And you have two
Well, they have the same common denominator
And that common denominator
Is Jack Quaid covered in blood
Oh, it's
Companion
And Novacame
Yes
Yeah
I saw both of those in theaters
Both of them are fantastic
I wanted to see them both
They're gone
Like
It happened so quick
Yeah, you have to like
Get on it as soon as possible
Because these are such small movies
But like
I loved both of them
Both of them are very like
High concept
Type movies
They're very different
Movies
But with
Companion
He has a robot girlfriend
That he can control
Spoiler phrase
In the trailer
If it's in the trailer
It's better
I don't know if she was a robot
It's in the trailer
That she's a robot
She's a
It's in the trailer
Maybe I saw it teaser then
Because I don't
Anyway
It's kind of in the name
Oh, it is
Yeah
As a robot
Girlfriend
Has this like
Cabin in the woods type retreat
And then just like
There's a switch
Spoilers
It's in the trailer
So
But it has one of my favorite actors
Jack Quaid
That's how Jack Quaid
Harvey Gillen
He plays
Giromo in what we do in the shadows
He's in the movie
And he's fantastic
You know that what we do in the shadows is like
One of those shows that I'm holding
They just ended
So
Is it done done?
It's done
Okay
Yep
That's how I was holding
And then the other one is
Novacaine
Like
The idea that
He can't feel pain
Yeah
He uses that to his advantage too
Basically get
His new girlfriend
It's kind of hard to
For your feelings
He likes her right
They work at a bank
This trailer I saw a very long version of
Like no more
Yeah like they went on one day
And then like she gets taken by bank robbers
And he's like
Oh
Looks like you know
That was my chance
And it is so great
And the girl he's after is
Amber Mit Thunder
The thing that I really
Like her from is
Pray
Which is the
Probably
Yeah
That was really good
Yeah
So like
She's fantastic in this movie
It also had
I didn't recognize him at first
What I saw was his smile
Oh is it Jack Nicholson's son?
Yeah
Ray Nicholson
Yeah
And I was like
That is a copy paste
And I was like
Why is that?
Uh
Yeah as soon as the corners of his mouth tilt up
You're like
Ah
There it is
So like
If ever you need a new Joker
So
Novacaine companion
Both of them are great
And for whatever reason
Like every
Jack Wade thing
That I've been watching
Like even the boys
Covered in blood
Always
Everything
Yeah
Covered in blood
So I don't know what I did
That's his type
He is choosing movies
He's just covered in blood
It's just like every radio silence movie
Covering blood
Covered in blood
Listen I'm here for it
I love him
He's sad as it is
And is much of a decline as the industry is in
There are some really good things coming out
Yeah
I feel like we hit a lull
Where we were hitting
IP, IP, IP
And like granted IP is still gonna make a lot of money
So I get it
Yeah
That feeling this year we've seen
From my perspective
We've seen a lot of
Creative and new stories
I think the era of
A $350 million movie is gone
Yeah
And I don't know that I'm sad about it
Yeah
Well like the best example that we have right now
Is sinners
The Ryan Kugler movie
I'm so excited for sinners
So the very first time Ryan Kugler
Is outside of IP
Outside of a movie based on a real story
This is a movie that he wrote
himself from his brain box
And I mean he got to work with one of his favorite actors
Michael B Jordan and Michael B Jordan
(laughs)
So perfect
This is great
The trailers look incredible
It's also shot in IMAX 70mm
I know
Also the theaters here are so different
than theaters in the rest of the country
We're very lucky
I saw
Oppenheimer in 70mm in Georgia
I had to drive like two hours
Jesus
Whatever, I didn't have a lot to do
But I drove to be able to see
Oppenheimer and Barbie
And do the barbenheimer
And the theaters packed
But you could tell that it just wasn't the same
There is a reverence for
Seeing movies in
Our Town
Yeah
Which we kind of forget
How the rest of it works
We are the entertainment capital of the world
Hopefully it stays that way
I was knocking on wood for anybody who was listening
And not watching
I think they heard it
Listen I've got to explain myself
All that to say is depressing as things are
There's always like teeny flickers of light
So
Yeah
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