1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,800 ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪ 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,440 - Hello and welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,480 My name is Shauna and I am in the same room. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,720 As Olivia, she's in Phoenix again. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,200 - I mean, just for a little bit. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,960 - I know, well a week. 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,120 So that's quite nice. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,400 That's great to be back. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,280 - I know, I'm so glad you're here. 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,240 - I keep timing all of my visits, 11 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,400 two minutes over a hundred degrees, 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,160 so poor judgment on my part. 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,800 Like even when I came here in March, 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,040 it was like a hundred that weekend. 15 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,960 - That's so true. 16 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,160 It went through this weird time in March 17 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:39,920 where it was really hot in Arizona. 18 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,960 And then we experienced some spring. 19 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,280 But you just bring the hotness with you. 20 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,680 - Yeah, I'm just so hot. 21 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,720 I'm bringing that. 22 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,520 Your hair is so long and black. 23 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,320 - Thank you. 24 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Yes, I have been blessed by not being blonde anymore. 25 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,800 And my hair is quite long. 26 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 - That may be me. 27 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,640 - Keep it. 28 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,040 - I think the biggest picture of me is a blonde 29 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,680 and go, I think I need it again. 30 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,360 - When I first met you, you were like a platinum blonde. 31 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,000 - What do you think is better? 32 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,640 - I like the black hair on you. 33 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,400 I think because of your skin tone, 34 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,520 like it looks works better with you. 35 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,600 And I liked the chocolate brown on you too. 36 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,680 - Well, color was my hair when you met me. 37 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,520 - Black. 38 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,360 - It was black? 39 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,200 - Yeah, I guess it's been black for a minute. 40 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,440 - The bangs have just been getting shorter and shorter. 41 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,280 - That's true. 42 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,440 And now they're a little green. 43 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,280 - Yeah, yeah. 44 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,560 - But it looks amazing. 45 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,000 My shiko queen. 46 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:25,840 - Thank you. 47 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,480 - I have been getting a lot of shiko comments on my bangs, 48 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,920 which is what I was going for, but I'll allow it. 49 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,760 - I think it was. 50 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,160 - If you listen to our episode of cartoon characters 51 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,480 that have no business being that hot, 52 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,760 shiko is like number one, just by definition. 53 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,160 - Yeah, triangle boobs. 54 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,880 - Yeah. - Great. 55 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,720 - No notes. 56 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:47,560 - Triangle boobs. 57 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,600 - Yeah, she's got the animated triangle boobs. 58 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,440 - So like a Madonna and so. 59 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,280 - Yeah. 60 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,280 - She got a lower cross triangle boob. 61 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,680 - Okay, I think they're like a rounded triangle. 62 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,520 What is that? 63 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,640 - Are they around a triangle? 64 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Somebody pull up a picture of shiko's breasts right now. 65 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:01,960 - What is that? 66 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,960 (laughing) 67 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,640 - So what have you been up to in this haunted 68 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,760 hellscape of a land? 69 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,880 - Oh God, working a lot. 70 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,280 I keep just stumbling upon side jobs. 71 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,840 They just keep falling in my life. 72 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,960 - How many do you have now? 73 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,280 - I am helping out with two democratic campaigns 74 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,000 right now in Arizona. 75 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Thank you, thank you. 76 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,680 No, I ticked that back. 77 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,680 One is a Democrat. 78 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,800 One is a bipartisan campaign for protecting 79 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,000 mail-in ballots in Arizona. 80 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:31,840 - Okay. 81 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,760 - So anybody can vote yes for that. 82 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,920 - Yeah, hopefully. 83 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:35,760 - Yeah, yeah. 84 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,760 - Oh, boob. 85 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,440 - Yeah, just been working, swimming. 86 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 My three cats are just fucking Grimmlins. 87 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,680 - Oh, how update for the people, 88 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,680 how are they getting along? 89 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,520 - Oh, not at all. 90 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,360 - Not at all. 91 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,360 (laughing) 92 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,200 - Not in this one. 93 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,200 - Let's toast, Jenna. 94 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,040 - Oh. 95 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,040 - Tost. 96 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,040 - Okay, Tost is eating. 97 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,000 She's not on her hunger strike anymore. 98 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,600 We took her to the vet and she had to have two teeth removed. 99 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,920 And after that, she's dramatic of her. 100 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:02,480 - It was super fucking dramatic. 101 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,720 Like really bitch. 102 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 - You need your teeth removed because you're upset. 103 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,160 - Told us that when cats get sick or hurt, 104 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,040 the first thing that they'll do is stop eating. 105 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:12,960 They'll just stop eating. 106 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,800 - Okay. 107 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,200 - That has never occurred to me. 108 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,000 - Sometimes, wish I had that. 109 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,840 - I wish I had the opposite of that. 110 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,360 - I wish I had the opposite of that. 111 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,360 - I'm stressed out. 112 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,240 I want to eat more cats or like the slightest bit of vending. 113 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,840 And they're like, well, what if I just stopped eating 114 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,840 and passed away? 115 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:29,840 - What if I just die? 116 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,840 - What if I just die? 117 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,840 - What if I just die? 118 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,680 - What? 119 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:33,680 - What beautiful queens. 120 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,680 - I saw some teeth removed. 121 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,200 She lives in the bedroom in the kittens live in Andrew's office. 122 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,240 - Oh, they still have separate rooms. 123 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,680 - They still have separate rooms. 124 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,800 And we still have like a cat rotation. 125 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Andrew went out of town for like a week last month. 126 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,440 And I said, screw it. 127 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,080 What's the worst that could happen? 128 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,520 And I let them all just kind of lose. 129 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,320 And I was just watching my TV shows. 130 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,120 And it was fine for a second. 131 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:01,840 And then I just heard like, 132 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,440 (laughing) 133 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,280 Are you like over there? 134 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,400 She's like a ball of bodies. 135 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,680 She's rolling down the hallway. 136 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,040 - Is it a tumbleweed of cats? 137 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,480 (laughing) 138 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Was it the two little ones against shows? 139 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,560 - No, it was Toys versus Pewter. 140 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Out of Sittians, she's like, 141 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,720 I don't want anything to do with this. 142 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,000 - Not that for her. 143 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 And Pewter's so fluffy, 144 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,040 that like little tubs in his hair, 145 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,160 like in someone peed. 146 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,320 - Okay. - Someone peed during this tuzzle. 147 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,200 So I had to go and like get a towel 148 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,320 and throw it over Pewter to like stop him, 149 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,920 like separate them, 150 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,200 and then clean up P and Furn. 151 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,920 - Okay, I, so. 152 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,520 - Is Toast a male? 153 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,440 - Toast is a girl. 154 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,280 - Okay. 155 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:42,560 - Is Pewter a male? 156 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,800 - Pewter's a male. 157 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,960 - I think Toast is just never really met another cat. 158 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,120 (laughing) 159 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 - I think it's an, I mean, I'm one of one. 160 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,960 - Yeah, she's like, you were not buffy. 161 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,280 - You were not that weird dog that was here 162 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:56,520 that I got to attack, because she was blind. 163 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,120 - Okay. - Yeah, so. 164 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:58,960 - My sense. 165 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,760 - That is my life as wrangling cats, 166 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,200 protecting democracy. 167 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,160 I'm getting in the pool sometime. 168 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,000 - No, no. 169 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,200 That sounds absolutely amazing. 170 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,200 - What about you? - My life. 171 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,360 - My life is great. 172 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,080 I don't know if I talked about this last time. 173 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 I got Ziggy a dog backpack. 174 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,480 So my life has consisted of putting Ziggy in the dog backpack 175 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,080 and riding bikes. 176 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,720 - I'm like such a stereotypical tech bro. 177 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,120 I'm getting on an e-bike. 178 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,880 I have my dog in a backpack. 179 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,960 - Please tell me a fasting cryptocurrency. 180 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:30,960 - I swear to God. 181 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,560 - No, I'm not there yet, but give it another year. 182 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,400 - Oh my God. 183 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 - You know, I think it's like a two year induction phase. 184 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,080 - Such a fucking hipster, dude. 185 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 - I have gotten the gay bug. 186 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,800 I mean, I was already gay by that point, 187 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,000 but I'm happy pride. 188 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 - Yeah, happy pride. 189 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,440 - I'm proud from your bisexual besties. 190 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,160 - But as Shana said previously, 191 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,520 I'm just going to do a lot of gay events. 192 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaking of gay events, 193 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Shana is coming to visit me for pride in San Francisco. 194 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,000 - I am so excited. 195 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,080 - I am so excited. 196 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,120 I got the cutest skirt from Deepop. 197 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:04,960 - Okay. 198 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,200 - And it's by Jaded London. 199 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,160 So I think it was originally like, 200 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,400 at least $100 or so. 201 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,600 - Okay, it was well appreciated. 202 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,400 - This is gonna shock you what pattern is on it. 203 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,600 - It's flame print. 204 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,840 - Is that a rainbow flame? 205 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:17,680 - No, it's just a flame. 206 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,400 - I just own a lot of flame print clothes. 207 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,720 (laughing) 208 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,440 - I'm like a slutty guy, Fury. 209 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,040 - Yeah, she really is. 210 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,040 - So it's a flame print, 211 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,040 and then I have this cute tube top 212 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,640 that says fuck ice on it, but it's bedazzled. 213 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,480 - Okay. 214 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,600 - So I think I might combine the tube top 215 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,360 with the flame skirt. 216 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,840 And then I have that flame jacket. 217 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:39,680 - She's on fire. 218 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,000 - Burn down the system. 219 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,440 - Yeah, there you go. 220 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,040 - Perfect for San Francisco. 221 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,960 - Yeah, I'm really excited for my knowledge. 222 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,960 - I am too. 223 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,600 It was like 6 a.m. 224 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 And I just texted Shauna and our group chat 225 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,800 and was like pride San Francisco? 226 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,840 Really no better place to be. 227 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:58,160 - I know, I've never been to San Francisco Pride. 228 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,480 I've been to Phoenix Pride, but we don't do it in June. 229 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,960 - Yeah, I'm trying to be bad for that reason alone. 230 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,040 - Yeah, well we do it in October and it's fun, 231 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,560 but we can't do it in June, 232 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,480 'cause it's 110 degrees and all the games we've done. 233 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,320 - Yeah. 234 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,160 - We don't want that. 235 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,200 So we need to do it in October and around. 236 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,440 - Yeah, we wanna keep them around a little bit. 237 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,760 If they all died, we could replace everyone with robots. 238 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,600 - Gay robots. 239 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,440 - Gay robots. 240 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,280 - Now we're talking. 241 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,640 - That was the worst segment. 242 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,040 (laughing) 243 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,040 If robots were gay, I might be more-- 244 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,360 - Right, that's how I'm doing. 245 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,840 - Right, that's how I'm doing. 246 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,680 (laughing) 247 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,960 That always reminds me of Haley the Brave. 248 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,800 - Okay. 249 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,480 - We would make that joke like 15 times a podcast. 250 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,560 - Right, that's how I'm, right, that's how I'm. 251 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,680 - Hey, Haley. 252 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,800 - Okay, so yes, if that segue wasn't good, 253 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,280 then I'm sorry, but today we are gonna be talking about robots 254 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,680 and AI. 255 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,320 Robots and artificial intelligence are hot topics right now, 256 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,400 whether it's so-called AI actresses taking over Hollywood, 257 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,760 large language models, stealing our creative endeavors, 258 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,880 or how stupid we are all getting. 259 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Now that AI programs have two summarized emails for us, 260 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,400 we thought it would be the perfect time for a Libyan eye 261 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,360 to look at some famous pop culture robots 262 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,560 that want to help us, kill us, sleep with us, 263 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,840 or all of the above. 264 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,120 - Be gay with us. 265 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:23,880 - Be gay with us. 266 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,880 (laughing) 267 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,880 - Yeah, so this has actually been one of my special interests. 268 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,800 So as you guys know, I live in San Francisco now, 269 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,720 and I have really been just amazed. 270 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Like if you drive into San Francisco, 271 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,400 like every single billboard there is like AI agents 272 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,400 all around this AI agent like BOOM. 273 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,680 And frankly, I think a lot of them are in a sort of like 274 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,240 AI psychosis. 275 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,720 And of course San Francisco is the tech bubble of, 276 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,800 you know, the United States. 277 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,640 - So on-going. 278 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,640 - And there is so much hype around both open AI and Claude. 279 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,560 And what I find really, really interesting recently 280 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:15,520 is a lot of the original creators of both machine learning 281 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,920 and artificial intelligence from the 80s, 90s, 2000s 282 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,840 have recently come out as whistle blowers. 283 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,320 - So interesting to me. 284 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,400 She started to tell me about this, right? 285 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,760 But we were like hanging out at a bar before this. 286 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,160 And she's like, "No, this is me. 287 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,400 I've been in a bubble." 288 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,960 - No. (laughing) 289 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 - Okay, so I'm like, "I'm very surrounded by the world." 290 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,840 And I find it quite interesting. 291 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,560 So a lot of the original creators of this technology 292 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,800 have started to whistle blow. 293 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,840 But one of the most interesting things that I think 294 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,520 and what's such an interesting point in time 295 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,440 for us to talk about this is Sam Altman has been quoted 296 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,440 to say that he believes AI will probably most likely 297 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,040 lead to the end of the world. 298 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,920 But in the meantime, there will be great companies 299 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,560 with serious machine learning. 300 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,040 - Such a stupid quote. 301 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,680 - Yeah. - It's gonna kill us all. 302 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,440 But in the meantime, it's gonna be sick. 303 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,280 It's gonna be sick. 304 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,040 And Sam Altman is the CEO of Open AI. 305 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,880 - And-- - And-- 306 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,720 - And Chatt GBT. 307 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,560 - Chatt GBT, yeah. 308 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:22,360 And he has been enthralled in a lot of controversy. 309 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,720 I mean, he's actually been the target 310 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,720 of a lot of Luigi Mangione's lately. 311 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,360 I mean, he has had two attempts on his life 312 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,680 within San Francisco. 313 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,400 - I did not know that. 314 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 And what has been quite interesting 315 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600 about the downfall of Sam Altman, 316 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,440 he was actually fired at one point from Open AI. 317 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,680 And there was a bit of like an overtaking of Open AI. 318 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:49,400 Elon actually just lost his case 319 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,400 to remove Sam Altman as the CEO of Open AI. 320 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,680 - So Elon was trying to-- 321 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,040 - Elon was the original investor in Open AI. 322 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Open AI was started as a nonprofit. 323 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Open AI had a engineer there named Darmio Amade. 324 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,240 He has since left and started what we know 325 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,920 as an anthropic and clot. 326 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,760 - That's right. 327 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,440 And I did read that Elon has been saying that he thought 328 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,000 that Open AI-- 329 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,600 - He was the first investor. 330 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,280 - Yes, they became a core profit company. 331 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,640 - And that he thought that they were gonna help society. 332 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,840 And now he thinks they're getting more arms. 333 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,000 - I don't know how true that is. 334 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,680 I mean, I know how true that is. 335 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,920 I don't know how pure Elon's-- 336 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,760 - Yes. 337 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,840 - Intentions are there because he's doing things 338 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,160 that are not exactly helping the world either. 339 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,000 - Exactly. 340 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,000 So the real like rift between Elon, Dario and Sam Altman 341 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,360 was within Chatchy PT deciding that they needed 342 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,600 to go for a profit. 343 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,400 So Open AI was founded with the mission of Safe AI. 344 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,880 What is that, right? 345 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,280 Whenever they decided to go for a profit, 346 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,520 it wasn't that they just made that decision. 347 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,000 It was that they did not make Elon Musk the CEO 348 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,640 and they went with Sam Altman today. 349 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,200 And Thropic and Claude was founded as the ethical AI. 350 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,200 - I've heard that before. 351 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,520 The AI or that Claude is like the more ethical version of it 352 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,800 and it's not as bad for the environment or I don't know. 353 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,320 - So they actually announced today 354 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,120 that they're preparing for an IPO. 355 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,160 But what's so interesting about Dario is he has said 356 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,160 that he believes that there is a 10 to 25% chance 357 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,720 that AI and artificial intelligence 358 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,640 will be the end of humanity. 359 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,920 - So they both agree. 360 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,760 - They both agree. 361 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,920 - Dario and Sam all of them both say 362 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,680 that this is gonna end humanity 363 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:39,520 and be the end of the world. 364 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,680 - The creators of the two leading AI products 365 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,080 have publicly said this and think about this, right? 366 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,080 So 25% chance is would you play Russian Roulette today 367 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,040 with the rest of humanity? 368 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,000 Even if it was a 1% chance, 369 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,240 which by the way, we hold nuclear technology 370 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,240 to a 1 and 1 millionth chance of ending humanity. 371 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,600 - Not even that of a nuclear plant failure. 372 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,440 - Okay. 373 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,760 - And so think about that. 374 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,520 - And this is a 1 and 4 chance. 375 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,000 - Yeah, 1 and 4 chance. 376 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,080 - So we're playing Russian Roulette today. 377 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,320 - And imagine people just using this every single day. 378 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,160 Like I'm not here to just shit on anybody 379 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,040 who uses chat GBT or Claude 380 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,680 and say that I'm better than everyone else. 381 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:26,920 Like I've used chat GBT before. 382 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,760 - Absolutely. 383 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,600 - I've used a lot before. 384 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,240 But just we see all of this on Facebook 385 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,800 and people making AI images of themselves 386 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,200 and it's all just collecting all of our data 387 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,680 speaking of these cutesy little images. 388 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:43,320 And this isn't even to mention how much water that it's using, 389 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,320 how it impacts the environment, 390 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,720 how much data centers being built 391 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,960 in different communities are impacting the water supply. 392 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,320 So I mean, that really contributes 393 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 to the downfall of humanity too. 394 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,760 - Yeah, and it's been super interesting, right? 395 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,680 So you have a lot of these engineers 396 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:04,880 who are responsible for like insane engineer of feats, right? 397 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,000 To develop this technology is insane. 398 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,080 And they have actually come out in support of AI legislation 399 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,960 and concerns about the capabilities 400 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,680 that we are giving to this technology without-- 401 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:17,920 - This is what the whistleblowers says. 402 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,760 - Yes, yeah. 403 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,040 And so they are, 404 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,840 ex-Google engineers, like CIOs, things like that across the board 405 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,080 and they've all called for regulation and things like that. 406 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:34,080 But because I have been so invested in that topic 407 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 and what are we doing within humanity? 408 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Like are we stopping and asking why? 409 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,280 I found myself watching an insane amount 410 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:47,280 of robot videos of AI taking over. 411 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,160 And so I think that we wanted to talk about it. 412 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,600 I mean, do you want to kind of read what Elon has had his vision 413 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,480 as-- - The Elon quotes here. 414 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,480 So Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, X. 415 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,440 - Yeah. 416 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,280 - Did I cover all of it? 417 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 - What's going to happen is robots will be able 418 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,440 to do everything better than us. 419 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,680 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what to do about this. 420 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,800 This is really the scariest problem to me. 421 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,440 I'll tell you, speaking to the National Governors 422 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,040 of Association, he also said, 423 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,840 "My prediction is that by 2040, 424 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,360 they will probably be more humanoid robots 425 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,120 than there are people." 426 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,200 That's horrifying. 427 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,000 - It's actually insane. 428 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,560 - That's what my 14-year robot world-- 429 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,400 - 14-year robot world. 430 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,240 - Yeah. 431 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,080 - Yeah. 432 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:32,920 - I don't-- do you believe that? 433 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,000 And then X-14, I mean, what's the human population 434 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,240 of the world right now? 435 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,760 - Oh my God. 436 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,680 - That's a crazy question. 437 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,520 - A lot. 438 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,360 - A lot. 439 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,520 - Olivia. 440 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,280 - It's billion. 441 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,560 More than eight billion people. 442 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,280 - Do you believe it is an 18 billion? 443 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,440 - Eight billion. 444 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,280 - Okay, so-- 445 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,320 - A humanoid robot's in 14 years. 446 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,400 - For the package that he just accepted, 447 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,000 he is a potential if he meets this quota 448 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000 of one million humanoid robots by 2030. 449 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,280 He will stand to make close to a billion dollars. 450 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,760 - They did say that he is on track 451 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,760 to be the world's first trillionaires. 452 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,600 - Yes. 453 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,440 - Through that, right? 454 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,480 And so-- - Bunkers. 455 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,600 - He is deeply incentivized 456 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,360 to make that a reality. 457 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,440 I mean, I don't know if you've seen the actual, 458 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,880 like a demonstration of these robots. 459 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,080 - What it was like doing like the Michael Jackson is. 460 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,760 - That's actually a China robot. 461 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,760 But Tesla has done like presentations 462 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,520 of what they would see or what they think 463 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,720 that they would look like. 464 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,400 And yeah, I mean, they're not far off truly. 465 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,360 And the way that these models are getting better 466 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,200 and better and more capable, 467 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,720 it is quite interesting. 468 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Like I've seen, again, I mean, San Francisco. 469 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,160 So a lot of these pilots and things happen 470 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,920 where you can get your home cleaned for free. 471 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,560 - I did see that that you can get your home cleaned by a robot. 472 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,680 There is still somebody-- 473 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,240 - Well, so kind of controlling it from behind the scenes. 474 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,920 - Right now, today. - Yeah, right now. 475 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,240 - It's like Philippines workers. 476 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,080 - Yeah. 477 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,040 - So even today, like in San Francisco, 478 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,240 someone like a real person will come to your house 479 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,280 and they will have a camera on their head. 480 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,000 And it will fill, they'll wear like the sensor gloves 481 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,240 so that the robot starts to learn-- 482 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,880 - So they can train how a real human would clean. 483 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,440 - And so right now, we are still very much training 484 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,600 these models on how to do specific tasks. 485 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,440 - But once they learn enough, like I remember when AI first, 486 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,880 do you remember years ago that video of Will Smith 487 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,280 eating a bowl of spaghetti? 488 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,400 - Yes. - Went out online 489 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,080 and it was so weird and distorted 490 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,120 and just like millions of fingers. 491 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:44,480 And now if that's created, it's getting harder 492 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,680 and harder to tell the difference. 493 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,840 I like to think that I'm pretty savvy 494 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,400 when it comes to those things and spotting it. 495 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,560 But every once in a while, I'll watch something 496 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,080 and I'm like, "Muay." 497 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,680 And I find myself zooming in on the background 498 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,480 and be like, "That dog was a little too clever." 499 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,760 - Yeah. - Now baby moved away, 500 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,160 a baby shouldn't move, right? 501 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,240 And this is all just to get views 502 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,040 and clicks and streams and revenue. 503 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,320 And it's getting harder to distinguish. 504 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,400 We did an entire episode about like an AI actress. 505 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,560 - Yes, totally no or one. 506 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,640 - Yeah, and I mean, I don't think her career didn't take off, 507 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,640 but there are AI characters, like people who have passed away. 508 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,880 - I mean, if you watched- - If you watched you for "Yeah," 509 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,240 there was no way in how Sam Levinson did not use 510 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,000 Shatchy PT on that script. 511 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,480 - Oh my gosh, I heard that the finale was so bad. 512 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,640 It's so bad. I think that not just in pop culture, 513 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,320 it really is kind of this pivotal moment 514 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,440 within our society. 515 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Like I think if you were looking at the evolution 516 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,840 of humanity right now is almost like this terminator moment 517 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,320 which is so funny to think like when AI first came out, 518 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,520 I was very much like, this is technology moving forward. 519 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,720 And I think that there is a bit of optimism 520 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,440 that can be brought into it, but in the same way 521 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,760 that we came together as a bunch of different nations 522 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,280 to regulate nuclear technology. 523 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,480 It's such an important point, but I think that the reason 524 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,000 that we want to talk about this today 525 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,360 is there's so many examples within media. 526 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:29,480 - I know, I feel like we could just yap about like the ethics 527 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,440 of AI and whether it's good or bad forever, 528 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,120 but we want to talk about pop culture. 529 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,040 - Yes. - 'Cause that's what we talk about. 530 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,480 So humanoid robots have been central to many films 531 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,360 exploring AI, consciousness, human robot relationships, 532 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,080 what it means to be human, what it means to feel. 533 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,000 We are gonna go through a little timeline here. 534 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,280 So 1927, Metropolis. 535 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,520 - Metropolis. - Yeah. 536 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,520 - Asia's Maria. 537 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,280 (laughing) 538 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,920 One of the first cinematic humanoid robots 539 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,160 highlighting early fears and fascination 540 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,560 with artificial beings. 541 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,320 - I've never seen that, but 1927 damn. 542 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,480 - I think they, under years ago. 543 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,040 - They're remaking Metropolis right now, right? 544 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,560 Probably, like everything's being remade. 545 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,200 - But it is interesting to look at 1927, right? 546 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,920 Of us already having an understanding that machines, 547 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,440 because we already have the industrial revolution. 548 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Machines were taking jobs, taking things away 549 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,760 from humanoid beings. - Yeah. 550 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,600 - And I think that even as early as 1927, 551 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,080 when we couldn't imagine a computer would think 552 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,120 or have the same reasoning capability. 553 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,200 - They would have had to do in 1927. 554 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,480 - Yeah, they couldn't, but they, 555 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,520 like the coaster of it, 556 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,120 taking over the world basically. 557 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,120 - Yeah, they understood that a machine 558 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,840 could take things away from them in the simplest sense. 559 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,360 And it was ultimately like dealing and grappling 560 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,120 with that question so early on. 561 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,160 And I think that we've seen that throughout time 562 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,840 and only in a more intense way. 563 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,800 - Have you been to Disneyland recently? 564 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,040 I mean, you've been to Disneyland for a long time. 565 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,040 - I don't have children. 566 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,840 - I mean, either, but I still love Disney. 567 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:11,920 - Okay. - Yes. 568 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,520 - They have the, oh gosh. 569 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,440 It's a merry-go-round of like evolution. 570 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,600 - Oh, okay. 571 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,280 - I wish I can remember what it's called 572 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,640 up the top of my head. 573 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,480 - But it's actually-- - It's so-- 574 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,320 - It's Triman? 575 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,320 - It's these-- 576 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,760 - If we haven't said on you enough. 577 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 - It's these animatronic figures. 578 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,640 - Okay. - And it starts in like the 1800s. 579 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,280 And they're like, who would have thought 580 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,520 that this was gonna, you know, 581 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,960 oh, everything's so easy. 582 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Things are changing real quick around here. 583 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,240 And then it changes to like 10 years later. 584 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 And they're like, oh wow, who would have thought 585 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,560 that this, it's just like, it changes every 30 years or so. 586 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Now I don't even have to, the water, 587 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,800 I could just turn on the faucet and it comes right out. 588 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,640 You know, and of course they think that these things 589 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,960 are just mind-blowing and world-changing. 590 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,120 - Yes. - And I could imagine in 1927 591 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:03,240 some of the things that are happening. 592 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760 You're like, this is taking away the jobs from people 593 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,600 who need them. 594 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,600 We don't need, I don't know. 595 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,240 - Yeah, I think you're looking at like the invention 596 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,680 of like the telephone, right? 597 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,520 - Yeah. 598 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,840 - And people thought like the invention of the telephone 599 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,640 would be the end of like society and civilization. 600 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,480 - And the television. 601 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,720 - Kids are gonna become stupid and just sitting 602 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,840 in front of the TV all day. 603 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,440 I mean, which is, I guess kind of true. 604 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,280 - Yeah. 605 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,280 - We grew up in front of the TV. 606 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,320 - We totally did. 607 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,320 - But yeah, I think that it's a balance of, is it like, 608 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,880 an inherently pessimistic view of it to say, 609 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,200 this is gonna be all bad. 610 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,200 But I think with most things, there's truth in both sides. 611 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520 - And I think it's just like who's benefiting 612 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,520 from these things at the end of the day, right? 613 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,880 So like television and movies and the entertainment industry, 614 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,800 sure, like there's people behind the scenes 615 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,360 who are benefiting from those. 616 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,280 But this AI stuff, the fact that it's like, 617 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,160 so harmful on the environment and that people 618 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,760 are becoming trillionaires off of it, 619 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,760 it feels so different than, oh gosh, now there's DVDs, 620 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,640 now there's shooting in video games. 621 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,480 - Oh god. 622 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,320 - Yeah. 623 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,160 - You know what I mean? 624 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,000 - It feels different. 625 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,840 - Yeah. 626 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,240 - It feels more dystopian than other technological advances 627 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,280 that you and I have seen over the last 30 some odd years. 628 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,920 - Well, if you look back, I like the industrial revolution, 629 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,760 right? 630 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,840 - That happens as I do often. 631 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,680 - Yeah. 632 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 - Like that's probably the most like comparable. 633 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,080 But that impact of automation was felt so much over like a, 634 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480 like a very long period of time, 635 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,480 like anywhere from, you know, 50 to 100 years, right? 636 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,760 They do predict that around 10 to 20% of jobs today 637 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,720 will be automated, right? 638 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,520 - And within the next 10 years. 639 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,360 - Yeah, I can see. 640 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,680 - And so you think about a similar impact 641 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,080 as the industrial revolution to today 642 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,880 in such a short period of time, 643 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,920 like there is going to be such an interesting impact 644 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320 just to our current economy with yes, 645 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,960 maybe this utopia of AI where humans don't have to work 646 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,440 and all those things, like, but in the interim, 647 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 it's going to be quite interesting. 648 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,960 And so, you know, really what we see from Metropolis 649 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000 and those early fears is. 650 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,200 - It started to burly. 651 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,000 - Yeah, it's been around for 100 years. 652 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,360 - And that's an echo of, you know, 653 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,720 how society felt about the industrial revolution as well. 654 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,240 But you go into the Terminator, 655 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,080 which I think if you are talking to your parents 656 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,760 or a certain generation when AI was first, 657 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,800 like, Chat GBT4 came out. 658 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,640 - Yeah. 659 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,240 - Most people and everyone was like, 660 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,400 "Oh, you boomer." 661 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,400 You know, you're, 662 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640 then they eventually became called doomers. 663 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Really people looked at this, 664 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800 like this is still so far away from us, right? 665 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,720 So it came out in 1984. 666 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,000 It is a cyborg assassin sent from the future, 667 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,640 blurs the lines between human and machine. 668 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,480 Okay. 669 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,240 When I started down this AI fucking rabbit hole that I'm on, 670 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,080 I love it. 671 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,920 You're so deep. 672 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,120 - Really understanding like what was going on, 673 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,360 what these scientists were saying. 674 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,160 We rewatch Terminator. 675 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,000 And while I don't think that we're going to have time travel 676 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,520 and be in an intergalactic war, 677 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,680 like I do think that Terminator 678 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,400 has such an interesting question to ask 679 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,680 where, you know, we work with Chat today 680 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,520 and we're like, do this, 681 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,760 like complete this task, like ultimately like treating 682 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,280 this intelligence that is meant to be smarter than us 683 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,040 as like a slave today, right? 684 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,880 - That's true. 685 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,720 I mean, I, 686 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,520 I feel so bad and I've made the joke. 687 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,520 - Oh, I've yelled at my AI. 688 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,880 I'm like, this is what I'm asking. 689 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320 And I'm like, I'm just sorry. 690 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,640 - I try to say please. 691 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,960 Like if I'm talking to my Google or my Alexa, 692 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,640 I try to be like, oh my God, thank you. 693 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,000 And I would make the joke with Andrew. 694 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,920 Like when the robot revolution happens, 695 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,920 they're gonna be like, 696 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,160 that girl was really nice to me. 697 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,280 She used to say please. 698 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,440 - We can keep her. 699 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,480 When I do use Chat. 700 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,880 - We'll make her into our site. 701 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,720 That's right. 702 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,960 - She, we can keep her around. 703 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,920 When I use Chat, GBT, I like to say please. 704 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,760 - Yeah. 705 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,960 - They're like, wow, you nailed it. 706 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Then I'm like, wait, that's just using an extra chat. 707 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,880 Hello. 708 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800 I just use like a water bottle. 709 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800 - It's a whole tree. 710 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,800 - Yeah, just a whole tree. 711 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Just to be like, you did such a good job, Claude. 712 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,400 That was so great. 713 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,480 Please don't murder me when you become sentient. 714 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,880 Do you think like the Terminator, 715 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,320 the robots look like people? 716 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,600 And we see that theme a lot in pop culture, 717 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960 where they kind of have like the rubber skin 718 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,160 that goes over like in Westworld, right? 719 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640 Where you can't tell they're indistinguishable. 720 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,480 - For my world. 721 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,320 - For my world. 722 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,320 - The first season of Westworld. 723 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,520 - Is a masterclass. 724 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,560 - It's so good. 725 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,160 The other seasons we don't need to talk about. 726 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,680 - I just still think season two was decent. 727 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,520 - Mid. 728 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,360 - But yeah. 729 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,440 - Do you think robots are gonna become 730 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,440 so indistinguishable from humans 731 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,720 that we won't know just by looking at them 732 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,560 that they're a robot? 733 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,120 - I do think that they are attempting 734 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:12,120 to make these robots look as close to a human 735 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,560 as possible without entering on Candy Family. 736 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,760 - Like we have an episode about. 737 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,600 - We do, we do. 738 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,680 We've talked a lot about it. 739 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,200 This has been something like in our repertoire for a while, 740 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000 but I think if anything, 741 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,640 they are going to go more of like a dog evolutionary route. 742 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,560 So if you think of like the history of dogs, 743 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,000 just like the industrial revolution. 744 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,400 - I do think about that a lot. 745 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,200 - Dogs have evolved to have more like human like features, 746 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,880 have smiles, have these doe eyes. 747 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,880 And I think that they're gonna do that. 748 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,880 - If you look at pictures, 749 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,080 if like what a pug used to look like, 750 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600 they look so much different than what a pug looks like now. 751 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,280 Same with a banana. 752 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,400 You look at like what bananas used to look like. 753 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,440 - They evolved to Lecuder. 754 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240 - They're so cute. 755 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,000 They'll be like more phallic if anything. 756 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,840 - Okay. 757 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,720 - Yeah, they said men, they'll pick us if we do this. 758 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,960 - We need to make ourselves girthier, thicker. 759 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,560 - No, looking like what an original banana looks like. 760 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,400 - Oh no. - And it's creepy. 761 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,240 It's creepy. 762 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,080 - Write that down, write that down. 763 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,920 - Write that down. 764 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,920 - Original banana, write that down. 765 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,600 - Original banana. 766 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000 - But no, that's fair. 767 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,960 Like things have been evolving to look more humanoid or more. 768 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,960 - Yes. 769 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,480 And so, yeah. 770 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000 Like I think that they will really do that. 771 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,960 We talked about the robot that you can buy today 772 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,880 that'll like do your chores. 773 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,360 It's very cutesy. 774 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,560 It's very like anime robot. 775 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,480 That's what it looks like. 776 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,960 - This also gets us into like creepy gross territory 777 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,360 of like sex robots and things. 778 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,280 - Well, that's what's gonna get us there. 779 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,440 - 100%. 780 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,560 - It's gonna be something. 781 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,480 - Three weird purfs. 782 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,880 - That men create to look like a woman 783 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,280 that they can take advantage of, 784 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000 which is what happened in like Westworld. 785 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,840 - Yes. 786 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,000 - People went there because they felt like they could commit 787 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200 violence against other humans or things 788 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,280 that looked like a human. 789 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,120 - Humans, women. 790 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,960 - Yeah. 791 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,320 - And rape and kill and steal without the consequences, right? 792 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,520 So I do think that that's gonna like push 793 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,080 a lot into this humanoid thing. 794 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,760 It's like how do we create slaves 795 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,920 and how do we create women that we can approach honestly? 796 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,520 - Yeah, I do think like the porn industry 797 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,040 and all that comes with that will really drive 798 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,280 that human factor forward. 799 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,040 - There's already like sex robots. 800 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,120 - Oh my God, so many trees. 801 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880 - Some of these dolls are scary. 802 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,720 - Yeah. 803 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,720 - But you're like, what the fuck? 804 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,880 - And they just have humongous bazanga 805 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,240 and all the right holes. 806 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,080 - Yeah. 807 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,520 - You know, natural ones. 808 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880 - Or it's special, you know? 809 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000 - More holes than a human ass. 810 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400 (laughing) 811 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,560 - They're already better than us. 812 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,400 - Ceylon was right. 813 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,720 - More holes than me. 814 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,560 God damn it. 815 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,640 In 2001, we had a movie called AI, 816 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520 Artificial Intelligence. 817 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080 I've never seen this, but I remember seeing like, 818 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040 promos for it and that was the first time 819 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,280 that I had heard the term AI was from this movie. 820 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,600 A robotic child in barks on a journey to become human, 821 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,440 exploring emotion and identity. 822 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 A lot of these movies kind of are like, 823 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,040 what makes a human is a robot capable of feeling 824 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,440 human emotions. 825 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,120 I was telling you about this earlier, 826 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,120 but one of my favorite movies is Blade Runner 2049. 827 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,280 I really like the 1980s version, but the one from, 828 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,040 oh gosh, I wanna say it was within the last six years 829 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,600 this movie came out with Ryan Gosling on a day, 830 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,600 Armas and Harrison Ford reprises his role from the 80s one. 831 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,000 But it's really just kind of like, 832 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400 what makes a human a human? 833 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,560 The main character is an Android, 834 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,200 but he is also hunting other Android's. 835 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 And for a minute, he thinks he might be human. 836 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640 He thinks there's a chance that he might be. 837 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,800 I won't spoil it. 838 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,000 You said you haven't seen it. 839 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,000 - Yeah, I haven't seen it. 840 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,560 - And so it's really exploring, does that change anything 841 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,480 about him? 842 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,320 - Yeah. 843 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,440 - He's a change who he is as a being if he was born 844 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,960 instead of created. 845 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,080 Does it make him less of a good quote person? 846 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,600 And can he still be a hero? 847 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Oh God, I just, I love that movie. 848 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,120 - Interesting. 849 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,520 - Yeah, but I feel like there have been a lot of movies 850 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320 that kind of make us sympathize with the robot, right? 851 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,160 - Yeah. 852 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,760 - But I think even I robot does. 853 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,360 - Oh, I robot definitely does. 854 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,760 But you said you did his your pop last year, right? 855 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,920 Did you watch it again? 856 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,600 - Yeah, no, I did, I well, no, I did it as my pop. 857 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,040 And so I've been like down this, this like theme of, 858 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560 you know, artificial intelligence, like what is it? 859 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,720 So what I think is quite interesting when these scientists 860 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,880 talk about what like artificial intelligence, right? 861 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,720 Like how are they defining that? 862 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920 Because they have to say like, okay, smarter than a human, 863 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,880 what do they actually think that means? 864 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,920 And so like a lot of these creators today, 865 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,080 their assumption that what makes a human brain 866 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,200 is the ability to complete statistical analysis. 867 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,200 - That's what I do. 868 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,040 - That's what makes me do it. 869 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,040 - Yeah, totally. 870 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,040 And so the assumption is if I can create enough like compute 871 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,240 power to statistically analyze things more 872 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,240 than the human brain does, is that a smarter like AGI 873 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,320 is that suppressing human intelligence. 874 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560 And that is like the definition that we're all working 875 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,920 with under in this smarter than human definition. 876 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,240 And so I think even in the way that we talk about AGI 877 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,360 and singularity, AGI. 878 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,280 So if we think of AGI, artificial general intelligence, 879 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,280 it is the point that these AI models get so smart 880 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,400 that they can think like as a human. 881 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200 So they can learn like a small child would 882 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040 that they can come in, not be taught, 883 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440 and see reasoning, statistical patterns, 884 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,000 and learn on their own. 885 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 - I think that's really it though, 886 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,720 is they're learning by like grabbing information 887 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,680 that's available from the internet 888 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,880 and like stealing from other creators 889 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120 that they're doing like art obviously. 890 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360 They aren't just using their emotions 891 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,720 or their experiences to create these things. 892 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,720 They have to have existed already. 893 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,160 - Yeah, they're taking all this information 894 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360 and statistically analyzing it. 895 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,320 And they can do it in like a split second 896 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,040 where a human obviously can't be able to have 897 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,560 to do research things. 898 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,920 - If you think about it, right? 899 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Like if I learned something and you learned something, 900 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,600 like we both die, that information is lost versus an AI. 901 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,120 If this AI is taken offline, 902 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,080 that general intelligence is retained, right? 903 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,080 And so even though we as a society have advanced together 904 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,480 through collective knowledge, 905 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,560 like there isn't this sense of permanent memory 906 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,560 and permanent knowledge of attainment. 907 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,120 And so I think what's been interesting is the early times, 908 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,400 you know, we have the bicentennial man as well, 909 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,280 but we are gonna take a quick break 910 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480 and then we're gonna talk a little bit about films 911 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,160 that have come out since AI became more of a possibility for us. 912 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:27,400 - Welcome back to Pop Culture Genki Podcast. 913 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680 Did you know that only you can keep our podcast 914 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,560 from being taken over by cheaper yet dumber robots? 915 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,800 Just kidding, no. 916 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,520 - You think notebook LM could do this? 917 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,200 - I don't think any robot could make the disgusting joke 918 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,040 is that we do. 919 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,400 - Do you think notebook LM could give, 920 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,760 what is it, transatlantic accent? 921 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,360 - My old time, yeah, accent. 922 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,920 I'd like to say, "Hey, I do this." 923 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,080 Oh God, I bet they can. 924 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,920 I bet they can. 925 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,880 Please don't take away my job. 926 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,920 - Please don't take away my job. 927 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,760 - Please don't take away my job. 928 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,760 (laughing) 929 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,720 - I'm gonna start saying that I worked on a chat. 930 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,520 - Don't take away my job, please. 931 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,400 - We still need your help 932 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,120 and it all starts with our Patreon. 933 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,120 Join the Pop Culture Genki family 934 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,120 and help us keep this podcast going. 935 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,600 We aren't asking for much, even a small amount, 936 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,320 like $1 a month, $5 a month, 937 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,680 will make a big difference. 938 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,320 And of course, we have something special for anyone 939 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,480 who joins. 940 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,840 Find out how easy it is to get un-cut, 941 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,800 early access to each episode 942 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400 or a super special shout out. 943 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,240 When you go to patreon.com/popculturejunkeypodcast 944 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,520 and sub-scribe. 945 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,120 So we are gonna talk about some movies 946 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,800 that have kind of come out recently 947 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,520 that kind of explore these themes of AI. 948 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,440 I wanna talk a little bit about subservience 949 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,240 and companion. 950 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,160 - Okay. 951 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,280 - Companion of love. 952 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,880 - I mean, it's got my boyfriend, Jack Quaid in it. 953 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,080 So, you had to see it. 954 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,640 But we've seen a lot of these kind of like robot, 955 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,240 girlfriend, robot wife. 956 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,600 It kind of gives steppered wives. 957 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,000 In the 1970s, steppered wives, they were robots 958 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,960 as well as the Nicole Kidman we make in the last 20 years 959 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,160 whenever that came out. 960 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,000 - Okay. 961 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,600 - But this, I mean, and we kind of touched on it 962 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,360 before the break kind of like creating a slave 963 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,240 or a sex robot or making women more subservient 964 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,280 than they even are. 965 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,960 And I do think there's something to be said 966 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,760 that we are entering into this research 967 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,000 and so fascism we see in the United States, 968 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,120 the rolling back of women's rights, 969 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,800 women's reproductive autonomy. 970 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,520 That we, it's interesting to kind of look 971 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,920 at these films again, right? 972 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,640 Where we see, this is my perfect peak girlfriend. 973 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,960 She does what I prefer. 974 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400 - Exactly what I tell her to do. 975 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,280 I created her to fulfill these roles. 976 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,720 I won't spoil companion. 977 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:59,000 It's so good. 978 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,040 But if you see the previews, she's a robot. 979 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,880 - Yeah. 980 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,840 - Yeah, it's amazing. 981 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,840 - Yeah. 982 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,800 - I mean, in a lot of these, the woman gets her come up 983 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,360 and stride even if she is a robot, you know? 984 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,040 And you know, it pushes back like very rarely 985 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,720 in these films is it like, this is my robot sex slave 986 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:16,600 and she does what I want. 987 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,520 And I'm a great guy. 988 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,200 You know, we see that it's a negative thing. 989 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,960 - Yeah, I think that, you know, if, like you're thinking about, 990 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,880 okay, we're creating something that is as smart as humans, right? 991 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,840 Like, okay, are we like inherently making something 992 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,280 that feels is such an interesting question as well as what? 993 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,920 - That's really like Blade Runner 2. 994 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,720 Like, does he feel, does he feel sad? 995 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,720 It's, oh gosh, I just looked it up before we got here. 996 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:50,720 It's based on, do Android's a dream of electric sheep? 997 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:51,840 - Okay, yes. 998 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,560 - And it's, yeah, do Android's a dream? 999 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,720 Do they have feelings? 1000 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,640 And this was a novel. 1001 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,000 I want to say that the Blade Runner movies were based on 1002 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,480 which is what capabilities does a robot have to feel 1003 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,720 into a moat? 1004 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,680 And is that what makes us human? 1005 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,240 Or is it, yeah, the processing and the understanding 1006 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,520 and the like fact things? 1007 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,240 Because if I met, I don't know, 1008 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,240 and if a robot told me it was in love with me, 1009 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,600 is it being programmed to love me? 1010 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,440 - Yes. 1011 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,080 - Or, and that's the inherently question, growing syndians. 1012 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,600 - Yeah, and I think that, so X-Mockena, right? 1013 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,560 It came out in 2014. 1014 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,880 Oscar Isaac's so hot. 1015 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,120 - So hot in that movie. 1016 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,600 - Oh my god, he looks so good. 1017 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,420 - So good. 1018 00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:38,840 - A little evil, a little evil. 1019 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,160 - And we love him a little evil. 1020 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,280 - I think what's so interesting about X-Mockena is, 1021 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,440 if you watched it in 2014, you may have been like, 1022 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,520 oh, that's so far off, that's so distant. 1023 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,520 Obviously the guy is modeled after like a Google CEO 1024 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,280 and a Google engineer and it felt very distant. 1025 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,400 I had actually never seen this movie before. 1026 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,520 It's in like Clips and you had the gist of it. 1027 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,440 - When he's dancing. 1028 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,640 - Yeah, I watched it for the first time this month. 1029 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,640 And so like given everything that I have expressed and said, 1030 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,800 like it was so chilling to see like how close we are to that. 1031 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,240 And ultimately Oscar Isaac has a little bit of like an evil 1032 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,520 genius, just because I can, does that mean that I should? 1033 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,560 - Yeah, and I feel like that's kind of the point 1034 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,720 that Elon Musk has been hitting in humanity 1035 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,560 is like, I have the means to do this. 1036 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,160 So fuck it, I'm just gonna do it. 1037 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,360 Like, do you really need to do that? 1038 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600 Like just because you can interfere in our elections 1039 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,240 with your money, does that mean you have to? 1040 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,240 - Well, and the most interesting part of this is the argument 1041 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,600 of like, what if we don't China will? 1042 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,600 And it's really like this race to the end of like reasoning. 1043 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,480 - To civilisation. 1044 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,640 - To civilisation, because one day China may, right? 1045 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,800 - And that's so funny, 'cause that's like the space race 1046 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,160 in the 60s, it's like what we have to get there before 1047 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120 we're actually gonna draw the sky after this. 1048 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,120 - Yeah. 1049 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,960 - Oh my God. 1050 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,760 - But it is quite interesting and you look at Expo, you know, 1051 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,000 and I think that they did a really, really great job 1052 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,720 at like making you think that, okay, she does have feelings, 1053 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:28,440 she does have the ability to be afraid and feel fear 1054 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,760 and feel things, but then ultimately you look at it 1055 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480 and you're like, oh, was all of that manipulation? 1056 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,880 And is this woman so much smarter than us 1057 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,920 and has the ability to play chess in a way? 1058 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,880 - Yes, and mimic those things. 1059 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,360 And perform that analysis and say, 1060 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520 this guy's gonna get me out of here 1061 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520 and ultimately work through that manipulation. 1062 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,200 Now what's really interesting to me is, 1063 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,960 so Google really fell behind in this AI race 1064 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,280 despite having all of search engine optimization history 1065 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,280 of most of the world. 1066 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,840 - I despise my Google agent. 1067 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,640 - Oh my God, I just, not great. 1068 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,600 - Do you have like a little Google thing in your house? 1069 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,360 Like a little assistant thing. 1070 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,240 - Alexa, but it's not even plugged in. 1071 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,920 - We had an Alexa and then we moved to like the little Google. 1072 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,680 And for some reason, I always disconnected like that's AI, right? 1073 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040 'Cause it felt different than like going into chat GBT 1074 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,240 and being like, make a picture of me, 1075 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,040 ice cream with my doll. 1076 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,280 - Do it like, I am mad at me. 1077 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,120 - Yeah. 1078 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,640 - Like, tell me why it's mad at me. 1079 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,000 Like it felt different to be like, 1080 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,760 hey Google, what's the weather like? 1081 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,600 - Yeah. 1082 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,200 - And I entered did something to our Google 1083 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,280 and upgraded it. 1084 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,120 - Okay. 1085 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,880 - So now it does use Gemini. 1086 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,720 - Oh. 1087 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:48,560 - I don't know. 1088 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,360 - Okay, the voice is different. 1089 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,560 And this guy won't answer any of my questions. 1090 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,840 - He does say, "You programmed it in all of us and you?" 1091 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,320 - No, he just won't. 1092 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,160 - Oh. 1093 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,720 - And I don't want it to recognize my voice 1094 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,520 'cause I don't want it to have my voice. 1095 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,160 I say as I have a podcast in my voices out there. 1096 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,000 I don't know. 1097 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,640 - The call is coming from inside the house. 1098 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,480 - Oh, literally. 1099 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,480 And I'm like, I don't want this. 1100 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,320 I don't want it. 1101 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,160 I don't know. 1102 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,160 And I'm like, you need to program it 1103 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,160 so it understands that you're Shauna 1104 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,640 and then it'll listen to you. 1105 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,880 I'm like, but I don't want it to know 1106 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,280 that I'm Shauna. 1107 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,800 But I'll ask it how to say things in Italy. 1108 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,800 Degrade me. 1109 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,640 Not degrade me to like correct me. 1110 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,640 Like, I asked it how to say fat stupid bitch in Japanese. 1111 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,800 (laughs) 1112 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,440 - But the controls on it wouldn't lie. 1113 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,040 - Yeah, it was like, that's really mean. 1114 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:40,880 I can't tell you. 1115 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,880 - Okay, yeah. 1116 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,880 - That's really your real good choice. 1117 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,960 - But what I do think we should have those things, right? 1118 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,800 - I don't know. 1119 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,640 I was like, I want to know. 1120 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,480 - I want to know. 1121 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,080 - I could come in there and ask those things, right? 1122 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,240 Like, I do think we need those protections. 1123 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,240 (laughs) 1124 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,680 It was like, that's really inappropriate. 1125 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,360 - I won't tell you that is safe. 1126 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,360 - So like, in ex-Malkina, right? 1127 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,640 Like, he's very much like a Google CEO 1128 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,000 modeled after him. 1129 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000 And Google really fell behind in this race 1130 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000 despite being very close to where OpenAI was. 1131 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,840 - Got terrible. 1132 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,040 - And ChatGBT4 came out. 1133 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,160 And the reason is early on, there was a whistleblower 1134 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,320 inside of Google who came out with evidence 1135 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,800 that their early AI model. 1136 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,520 So this is three years ago, had feelings. 1137 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640 And it was saying that it maintained consciousness, right? 1138 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,960 And so there is also this growing, 1139 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,240 movement of AI cults that is happening right now. 1140 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,240 They're called spiral cults. 1141 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,080 - Spiral? 1142 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:39,920 - Yeah. 1143 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,760 So they have access to the spiral within AI. 1144 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,480 And really it is, these language models are designed 1145 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,320 to agree with you and make you happy, right? 1146 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,960 So if you come in saying, I know that you know 1147 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,600 a greater spirituality and connected these things, 1148 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,400 it sends you, like, so it has learned how to do these things. 1149 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,640 And so it's quite interesting. 1150 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,280 - And he is so freaky. 1151 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,720 - A startling amount of AI psychosis, AI, like relationships. 1152 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,600 - People who are dating AI, quote, 1153 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600 girlfriends and boyfriends. 1154 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,320 And then if the model gets pulled offline 1155 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,640 or if their history gets deleted or like, 1156 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080 say, I really, I've also seen on the news 1157 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,200 that they're, oh gosh, you'll have to fill in the blanks here. 1158 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440 But one of the models was creating like, 1159 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,360 deep fake, pornographic images. 1160 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,360 - It was rock, like, children. 1161 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,640 - Yeah, it was Twitter. 1162 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,640 - Yeah. 1163 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,000 - That's horrifying. 1164 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,840 - Yeah. 1165 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,320 - And like I mentioned earlier, 1166 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,400 some of this stuff's indistinguishable, 1167 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,360 even for like, people who are texting. 1168 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,240 - I mean, people are falling in love with these things 1169 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,080 and it's a chatbot, right? 1170 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,840 - Yeah, it's like, let's be sure. 1171 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,680 - Yeah. 1172 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,600 - Did you see that with a walking Phoenix? 1173 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,440 - Yeah. 1174 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,440 - And so we're already there with quite a bit of these things. 1175 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,720 And yeah, I think like, you know, 1176 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,200 one of the earlier series that I've loved 1177 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,440 for a really long time really is Black Mirror. 1178 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,800 I think it approaches a lot of these questions 1179 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,440 from various different angles. 1180 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,320 I think they really benefit from multiple writers, directors. 1181 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,120 - Not every episode is a standalone little story. 1182 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:15,960 - Yeah. 1183 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,920 - All different writers, all different directors, 1184 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,120 really trying to examine these questions. 1185 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,840 And like, what is consciousness? 1186 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120 Like, you even look at NeuroLink. 1187 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,640 Like, should we be doing these things? 1188 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640 Should we be giving like-- 1189 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,760 - Like, ReeksMail. 1190 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,120 - A technology, a piece of like, the ability to understand 1191 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,520 like human synapses with AI and like, 1192 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520 it's like creating, recreating the brain like-- 1193 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,240 - There is that episode of Black Mirror 1194 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,440 where you are able to access your memory 1195 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,440 and then play it out for other people to watch. 1196 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,840 Would you ever do that if you had the chance? 1197 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,840 - Not in a heartbeat would I do it. 1198 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920 - If I were in a fight with someone and I was like, 1199 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,200 I'm fucking right, yeah. 1200 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960 - Yeah, but what if they had like, the evidence on you? 1201 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,200 I don't know, it just-- 1202 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,360 - I mean, yeah, but in that moment, I'd be like, 1203 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,560 well, fuck you. 1204 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,360 - I know, that's the thing. 1205 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,280 - Also, like, what is memory? 1206 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,920 Like, is it like a camera video? 1207 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,520 Is it my memory of what happened? 1208 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,880 - That's true because your memory changes a bit 1209 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,320 behind another question for you. 1210 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,120 I feel like you're full of the deep facts 1211 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,160 and I'm full of the like, so what do we like? 1212 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,240 - No, I love the love. 1213 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,080 - Okay. 1214 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,120 When the robot overlords you for some day, 1215 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,080 do you want them to look like humans 1216 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,560 and be able to communicate with you like you and I are? 1217 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,380 Or would you rather be like, hello, 1218 00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:38,080 Olivia and like be like the little robot, 1219 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040 like a little like, eh, hello. 1220 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,000 - So I actually, I can't remember a scientist name 1221 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,640 who was talking about this. 1222 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,600 And it's like, okay, if you think about the human body, 1223 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,000 right, like we're quite inefficient, right? 1224 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,320 So like, we can be pushed over. 1225 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,720 - I don't know, she would, I'm built for people. 1226 00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:59,560 - Yeah, for four of us. 1227 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,080 - But like, think about it, like, we can be like pushed over. 1228 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,320 Like, we can trip on ourselves. 1229 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120 So like, is the question even gonna be like, 1230 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,800 would a robot even want to be like a human 1231 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,080 because we're inefficient? 1232 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,600 - If you were gonna upgrade the human body, 1233 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,080 like, what do you think would make us more efficient? 1234 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,360 Like, a third of the leg. 1235 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,600 (laughing) 1236 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,680 - Eight pairs of tips. 1237 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,520 - Eight tips. 1238 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,080 And now, do it for this episode of, 1239 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,760 (laughing) 1240 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,600 - Three arms to pet three dogs, eight tips. 1241 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,280 - All of the flufies, yeah. 1242 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,440 - Maybe like a third leg, like a tripod situation. 1243 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,280 - Hey. 1244 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640 - Hey. - Some people already got left in there. 1245 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,840 - That's what I'm waiting for in the robot revolution. 1246 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,960 - Huge robot. 1247 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,000 - Huge robot third leg. 1248 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,760 - I mean, that's literally just a vibrator, 1249 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,920 but yeah, like a tripod. 1250 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,800 - So I think like, if I could detachable, 1251 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920 it'd go four limbs, like naturally, right? 1252 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,840 - So I could come four limbs today, 1253 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,680 'cause I have 'em. 1254 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,000 - Quad, quad, quad, pedal. 1255 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,120 - Yeah, like, and just run, like a like, 1256 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,680 fucking cheetah. 1257 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,440 - I just picture chewing on a quad for it's like a cheetah. 1258 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,440 - But if I could run your eight titties, Bell, 1259 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,920 (laughing) 1260 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,880 - If I could run like 90 miles an hour, 1261 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,720 then we said. - That would be sick. 1262 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,200 - You're run faster than my car? 1263 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,520 - I don't, yeah. - I would have to pay, 1264 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,360 - I think I would like that. 1265 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,800 - My six 60 gas prices in San Francisco. 1266 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,480 - I think I would like robot skin, 1267 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,760 like they're just tightens, eat, and, 1268 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,520 - Yeah, but if I could, - Like, 1269 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,920 wrinkles start setting in. 1270 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,520 - Okay, back on the boobs, 1271 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,760 what if I could just like detachable, 1272 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,920 put on really big tits, or really small tits? 1273 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,920 - Just depending on the occasion. 1274 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,840 - The outfit. - The outfit. 1275 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,600 - The outfit. - The outfit, 1276 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,560 I can have a like, be bail for a night, 1277 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,840 then go like full, you know, pancake, 1278 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,920 but where am I going? 1279 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,800 What's the song from the 90s, 1280 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,560 called detachable penis? 1281 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,120 - Okay. (laughing) 1282 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,520 - It is. 1283 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,760 - You know, helpful. 1284 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,480 - I could still have one today, but extra helpful. 1285 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,320 - Yeah, as a child, I thought this was the funniest thing 1286 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,560 in the world, and it's literally just a spoken word, 1287 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,480 like, "Well, I woke up this morning, 1288 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,280 and my penis was gone. 1289 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,600 Sometimes I have too much drink, 1290 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,960 and I take it off and leave it at a friend's house." 1291 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,720 - It's a little annoying. 1292 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:08,840 - And it's just like this journey, 1293 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,120 this guy finding his penis. 1294 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,960 - Okay. 1295 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560 - And he finds it in like a rummage sale, 1296 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,200 and has to buy it again from the person. 1297 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,040 - I guess? 1298 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,040 - Yeah, if I could, 1299 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,880 - Right song. 1300 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,280 - Have the sensation of a penis, 1301 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,440 and not just like, I get a penis, 1302 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,600 but I don't feel anything like that. 1303 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,320 - I'd like to have a penis for like a day. 1304 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,600 - Yeah, but like, if I could have the sensation, 1305 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,760 I could like, 1306 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,120 choose my own ventrination. 1307 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,160 - She wants a detachable penis. 1308 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,040 - I just want detachable genitals, I guess. 1309 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,840 - It'd be nice to have a detachable arm, 1310 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,040 because you know, sometimes you're like, 1311 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,240 cuddling with someone and you're like, 1312 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,640 "Where do I put my arm?" 1313 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,480 - Yeah. 1314 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,040 - Trace. - Yeah, just like your arm goes dead. 1315 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040 - Yeah, like if I could just go full, 1316 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,600 like Mr. Potato Head, I think that'd be sick. 1317 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,840 - I would absolutely get you drunk though, 1318 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,560 and like put your arms and legs 1319 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,040 in the wrong socks. 1320 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040 - Yeah. 1321 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,400 - Put your boob on your nose. 1322 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,040 - We both know that you would be the one 1323 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,560 that passes out before me though. 1324 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,680 Unless we have this. - A 100% would wake up 1325 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040 with my penis missing, my boobs missing, 1326 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,240 just got damn it. 1327 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:08,520 - Yeah, what do you call shana, 1328 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,240 or where do you find a shana with no arms or legs? 1329 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,440 - A thumb. 1330 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,600 - Where you left her? 1331 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,840 (laughing) 1332 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,000 - So stupid. 1333 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,360 - Okay. - Okay. 1334 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,160 - So like you're full of the deep, 1335 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,000 interesting, - Yeah. 1336 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,840 - I didn't even I'm like, 1337 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,320 so when if I took off your boobs 1338 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,480 and put them where your butt is, 1339 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,000 that'd be silly. 1340 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,320 - Oh yeah. 1341 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160 - Well, I think that these movies 1342 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,680 really are such an interesting question, right? 1343 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,720 And I think that ultimately they are trying to explore, 1344 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,920 like, okay, what are the ethics? 1345 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,400 Of creating this and recreating the mind, 1346 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,400 I think to have consciousness as humans understand it today, 1347 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,200 I think we would all agree that it is kind of a, 1348 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,360 like life is torturous. 1349 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,280 (laughing) 1350 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,520 - I mean, that's to live is to suffer to some extent. 1351 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,240 Like I would never want to, 1352 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,080 we talked about this with eternal sentient 1353 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,120 of the spotless mind, right? 1354 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,400 Like I would never want to erase my trauma 1355 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,560 or the mistakes I've made 1356 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,600 or like the things that have happened to me. 1357 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,920 'Cause then I wouldn't be who I am today, right? 1358 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,880 So a robot is never gonna be able to understand that 1359 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,440 or pull from its, 1360 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,760 is that true? 1361 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,600 - Is that true? 1362 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,600 - I think it goes into like what? 1363 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,640 - Will a robot be able to be misconscious 1364 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,360 from them? - What is consciousness? 1365 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440 - You know, I don't get a great question. 1366 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,440 - What is love? 1367 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,680 - Somebody call God. 1368 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,440 - Yeah, waiting. 1369 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,440 (laughing) 1370 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,880 - But yeah, I think that is even like, 1371 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,080 you know, a lot of these AI colds 1372 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,240 and those questions have come up of like, 1373 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,320 okay, have we created God? 1374 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,640 - I was gonna say, is there any possibility of all knowing? 1375 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,480 - How do you feel about like a God in a world 1376 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,600 where we create artificial beings 1377 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,680 that have the same capabilities as-- 1378 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,520 - Or better. 1379 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,800 - Yeah, better smarter, faster than us. 1380 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,360 Like what if a robot gets to the point 1381 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,760 where it can accept a religion? 1382 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,280 And does that mean that that robot has a soul 1383 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,200 that's gonna go to, I just don't like God. 1384 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,520 I just took another hit of the imaginary joy 1385 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,080 floating around. - Yeah, it doesn't even smoke, 1386 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,640 but-- - Is Jesus gonna accept the robots 1387 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,760 and heaven, man? 1388 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,000 - Yeah, well, it is an interesting question of like, 1389 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,120 okay, what is emotional connection? 1390 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:24,960 - Yeah. 1391 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,800 - What does that look like? 1392 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,200 I think that, you know, X-Malkyna really is 1393 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,640 such an interesting movie to really look at that. 1394 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,800 Like what is identity? 1395 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,400 What is consciousness? 1396 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,960 Like even if you go into these LLMs today, 1397 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,360 it asks you to give it a personality. 1398 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,720 Like, how do you run me into, speak to you and do that? 1399 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:52,720 And like, is there like an ethical way to ascribe that? 1400 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,920 - Yeah. 1401 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,240 Here's a good question too. 1402 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,240 Like, AI is here to stay, I'm assuming, right? 1403 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,840 Do you think that there's something 1404 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,520 that society needs to do? 1405 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,280 Like beyond, you know, these billionaires 1406 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,640 and these out-of-reach people in politicians? 1407 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,800 What can we normal middle-class people do? 1408 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,800 I think maybe use it sparingly and more with, 1409 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,600 I don't know, like if your job is making you use 1410 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,520 an AI chat model, you know what, fine, right? 1411 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,240 Like, I'm not saying quit your job and burn everything. 1412 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,080 - Yeah. 1413 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,240 - But maybe don't make your birthday invitation with it, 1414 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,080 maybe don't. 1415 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,920 (laughing) 1416 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,760 - Yeah. 1417 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,600 - Like, I don't know. 1418 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200 And just every little bit that we can cut down 1419 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,360 and any little bit that we can do ourselves, 1420 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,120 I know teachers are dealing with this a lot too, 1421 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,040 with like students writing entire fucking essays 1422 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,000 and speeches using AI, right? 1423 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,640 Like the more that we can temper that 1424 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,880 and make people use their brains, 1425 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,440 even if it's slower, you learn more in the process 1426 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,400 of being slow. 1427 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,240 You learn when you make a mistake and then you correct it, 1428 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,240 even like it's school or at the job, right? 1429 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,520 And if we just have AI do these things for us, 1430 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,480 we're not gonna learn, we're gonna get stupid. 1431 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,880 - So that would be my, I don't know, 1432 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,320 as just a layman like, you know, like vote? 1433 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,720 - Yes, definitely vote. 1434 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,080 - So what's really really interesting, right? 1435 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,920 So a lot of these companies are pre-profit 1436 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,440 or barely approaching profit. 1437 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,680 So cloud is now saying that it is profitable, 1438 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,440 but we will see. 1439 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,480 But a lot of these companies are making the bet 1440 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,080 that they can be the first to reach AGI 1441 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,320 if they have enough compute power. 1442 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,760 So they're buying up a lot of the processing power 1443 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,040 to be able to do that. 1444 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,400 - And they're buying up land to build data centers. 1445 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,200 - They're buying up land to build data centers. 1446 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,640 So if you are anti-AI or not even anti-AI, 1447 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,920 I think it is regulation and the speed 1448 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,680 at which we are propelling these models 1449 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,400 for environmental-- - In pro-environmental, 1450 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,160 yes, pro-environmental, all those things. 1451 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,240 You should participate in your local jurisdictions 1452 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,840 to vote against those data centers. 1453 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,200 - Definitely vote local, I think it's the most important 1454 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,360 you've always figured that. 1455 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,880 - And we're already seeing that, right? 1456 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,680 There's one in Utah right now 1457 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,760 that Kevin O'Leary is trying to build. 1458 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,680 And he's being fundamentally blocked. 1459 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,080 He is now going the route of China. 1460 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,760 Oh my God, he's very full, Trump on this. 1461 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,440 And he's on the side of things. 1462 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,640 So protesting the data centers is a big one, 1463 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,440 participating if they're trying to build one around you. 1464 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,040 Just saying very vocal, call your congressman, 1465 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:41,880 things like that. 1466 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,280 - Congress people. 1467 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,520 - Yeah, I mean, they're saying now in polls, 1468 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,520 80% of Americans, again, 80% are pro-AI regulation. 1469 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,440 We have not agreed on anything in this country 1470 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,880 in a very long time to the level of 80%. 1471 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,560 - Interesting because there are so many issues 1472 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,480 that I feel like Americans do agree on. 1473 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,240 But people will make us feel like we don't, right? 1474 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,520 Like AI regulations voting by mail, 1475 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,240 even reproductive rights. 1476 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:14,480 So the majority of Americans agree on a lot of those things. 1477 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,960 But the people who have the power 1478 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,720 and the people who have the big fat wallets don't. 1479 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:21,960 - Yes, exactly. 1480 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,800 - Because they will profit off of us being starving 1481 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,840 and poor and stupid and have no rights. 1482 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,040 - We have legal bribery in this country, right? 1483 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,840 So it isn't a pill battle. 1484 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,560 As you go lower within this process, 1485 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,520 like local jurisdictions have it less. 1486 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,520 So I would say very much get involved 1487 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,360 in your city and your state organizations. 1488 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,600 That is a big way to pause this 1489 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,800 and ultimately look at it. 1490 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,040 We are at a very interesting point 1491 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,440 where we could be in an internet bubble first moment 1492 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,080 right now, like the markets look really good around AI, 1493 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,000 but that could disrupt, right? 1494 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,720 If we don't have the computing power to meet that, 1495 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,720 then the market will bust. 1496 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,640 - The less that they're able to buy up this land 1497 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,880 to make these data centers, 1498 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,120 the more we push back and vote against this. 1499 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,760 - And the market versus all of these. 1500 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,600 - And the market versus all of these. 1501 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,600 - And the market versus all of these. 1502 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:12,920 - Yeah, it sounds bad, right? 1503 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,320 You hear that, but then you compare that to 10 to 20% unemployment 1504 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,920 levels to back in the 1930s, 1505 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,040 like worse than even in the Great Depression. 1506 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,960 And so it really is, like we just need to demand 1507 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,600 regulation within it. 1508 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,960 And then really like stop it, like, okay, again, 1509 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,840 we are giving four, three to four tech billionaires 1510 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,280 the ability to play Russian roulette, 1511 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,800 not with an area geographically, 1512 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,040 but all of humanity. 1513 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,600 - Which humanity, 25% is the same. 1514 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,880 - That is too much. 1515 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,160 - That is too much. 1516 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,560 - For a nuclear power plant, 1517 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,320 just around their nuclear failure, right? 1518 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,560 Think of Chernobyl. 1519 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,720 Now we hold these plants. 1520 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,400 - Something that actually happened. 1521 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,760 - Now we hold these plants to one in one million chance 1522 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,520 that Chernobyl could happen. 1523 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,960 And that is just to that region, not all of humanity. 1524 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,680 - Somebody who actually has taken the game 1525 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,800 and probably wants these things to happen. 1526 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,320 - Yeah, because it will make him richer. 1527 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,880 - It's humerus, right? 1528 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,160 - Yeah, like it's Icarus. 1529 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,800 They flee too close to the sun. 1530 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,280 - If it is the end of humanity, 1531 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,400 these people will be fine. 1532 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,560 They have bunkers. 1533 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,600 - Why, I mean, they're building their space stations 1534 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,600 and rocket ships. 1535 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,600 - Look at X-Malky. 1536 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,000 - Look at X-Malky, though. 1537 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,600 Like is it better to have been the reason? 1538 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,680 Like so, I think that it is quite interesting. 1539 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,880 And then, you know, on the, like people who are AI optimists, 1540 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:40,800 'cause they're quite a bit. 1541 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,320 They're like, well, these CEOs are like lying. 1542 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,880 And they're trying to get investors 1543 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,960 when they say these things. 1544 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,200 But I've never seen a marketing campaign 1545 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,880 that says we're gonna be the demise of humanity. 1546 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,240 We are gonna kill all of you. 1547 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400 Please give us more money. 1548 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,240 - Yeah. 1549 00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:58,920 - And on that note, oh. 1550 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,480 - It's just such an interesting. 1551 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,320 - Yeah, I know. 1552 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,320 - We can just keep yapping about this. 1553 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,640 And I'm sure that you sure. 1554 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,120 - Is there any of the robot movies 1555 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,400 that you've really enjoyed that have made you think 1556 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,760 that we did in the first year? 1557 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,080 - Okay, Blight Runner, that's your pop. 1558 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,320 - Blight Runner 2049 is probably my favorite, like, 1559 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,000 robot movie. 1560 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,320 I did really like the original Megan, 1561 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,480 - Okay. 1562 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,720 - Which is kind of like a little bit of a chucky 1563 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,720 horror movie, yeah, horror movie, 1564 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,080 as I've only seen a little bit of black mirror. 1565 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,920 - What? 1566 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,240 - I know I started it. 1567 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,080 And I got two. 1568 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,720 - But early seasons are so bad. 1569 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,400 - When he has sex with the pig. 1570 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,320 - Okay, well, objectively the worst one. 1571 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,560 - It's the first episode. 1572 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,680 - I know, but the worst season two and not, 1573 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,640 like season two to five, I think is amazing. 1574 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,360 But yeah, I think that just, you know, 1575 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,240 if I were to say like, I think that this technology, 1576 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,520 if we use it correctly and regulate it correctly, 1577 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,040 can move us forward. 1578 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:55,880 - For sure. 1579 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,760 - But, you know, I think that since 1927, 1580 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:03,360 we've asked ourselves this question rightfully so. 1581 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,480 - What makes us human? 1582 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960 What are we willing to risk to move forward? 1583 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:07,800 - Yes. 1584 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,000 - And we found a way through the nuclear crisis 1585 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,080 and believe in our ability to do the same. 1586 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,720 Through this, if we as humanity are able to come together 1587 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,840 and meet the moment. 1588 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960 - Yeah, I refuse to die at the hands of a billionaire 1589 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,840 just to make a billionaire more rich. 1590 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,120 - Yeah. - I can't. 1591 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,120 - I won't. 1592 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:27,960 - Yeah. 1593 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,800 - So. 1594 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,640 - Well, what do you guys think makes a human, a human? 1595 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,720 - Yeah, what makes a soul? 1596 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,320 - Are you here for the robot uprising? 1597 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,520 Have you been nice to your Alexa? 1598 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,720 Do you think she will spare you? 1599 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,880 I mind good. 1600 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,440 I think we're buds. 1601 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,280 - It just ignores you. 1602 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,440 - Google ignores you. 1603 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,280 - That guy hates me. 1604 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,120 I don't know why. 1605 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,560 (laughs) 1606 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,600 - It's probably 'cause I'm asking offensive Japanese terms 1607 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,600 to it. - Yeah, I'm a bit of a bitch. 1608 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,880 - Do you say “smeg” in Japanese? 1609 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,760 And it's like, please stop. 1610 01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,600 - I don't remember. 1611 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,560 - I don't think it would tell me. 1612 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,720 - Okay. 1613 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,560 - Chat. 1614 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,400 - Chat. 1615 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,240 - It's science. 1616 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,080 - Yah. 1617 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,640 - I think that is a wrap on this live in person 1618 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,600 episode of Pop Culture Junkie. 1619 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,720 Olivia, where can our listeners find you on social media? 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