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Hello and welcome to How Did This Not Get Made?

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This is the podcast all about the movies you've never seen, the scripts that were never

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filmed, and the ideas that never even made it to the page.

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My name is Daniel Jingle, Jingle Kawka.

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And I'm just regular Lexcee Riley.

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I'm not as clever.

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[Applause]

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So, I wrote in my notes, Zoinks!

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And I can't seem to like say it without laughing.

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Jinkies.

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Jinkies.

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But welcome to The Holiday Special, where we're going to talk about a movie that technically

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did get made.

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Yes.

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You're just probably never going to see it.

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Yeah, we're talking about two things that don't exist.

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Santa and Trichael Donut could not exist.

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And we have a few other holiday shenanigans in store.

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So I'm sensing that there's a slight theme to the episodes I'm choosing.

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I'm extrapolating on previous episodes that you've done that mean a lot to me.

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Interesting.

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So we've seen that in the creature and then doing Dark Universe, and then NASKOOBIE

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DO.

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Oh.

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All of the scoop.

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I feel like now I'm doing all the work.

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Listen.

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Actually, you did give a really detailed history of Scooby-Doo and took a lot away from me

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where I was like, "Ah, that the history is already there."

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No.

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So if you want to listen to that, it's our September 2nd, 2022 episode.

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You know the exact date.

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I don't even know that.

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I did research.

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I did do some work.

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This is like anyone like Star Wars fans who come up to Harrison Ford and they're just

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like, "Yeah, what about that one time where you shot Grito?

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Like, was it you?"

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And he's like, "I don't give a shit."

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Yep.

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That's 100% what it is.

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So at the point of that episode, Scoob Holiday Haunt was officially canceled.

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That was the last that we had heard of.

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It fell victim to the WB Discovery merger and it turns out like I said, "This film is basically

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done, but to two tax breaks it can't be sold or streamed or anything where money can be

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used."

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So, bah humbug to that.

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In order to understand the extensive work already done on holiday haunt, let's jump back

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to Scoob.

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Okay.

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That came out in 2020, Paneenie Times.

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Yes.

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Which is around the time that I watched it for the only time, I believe.

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I don't know why it just flew under the radar because I am a bit of a Scooby fan.

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Scoob was intended to be a reboot of the theatrical side of Scooby Doo specifically.

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It's technically the third movie following my personal favorite live action cast of Scooby

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Doo 2002 and Scooby Doo Monsters in the age of 2004.

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In your episode, we've talked about how there are many amalgamations.

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Sometimes the ladies are there, sometimes they're not.

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It's weird how infrequent that show is.

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For an IP that seems consistent, they don't seem to glass for like more than two, three

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years.

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No.

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And then they're constantly swapping out characters or like who's important or what

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relationship we're supposed to care about.

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But because it's linked to those two specifically, it tithers back to a point I will make.

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Like I said, I'm a bit of a Scoob fan.

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I dressed up as Daphne for quite a few Halloween.

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I dressed up as Shaggy, but specifically the zombie apocalypse Shaggy once for Halloween.

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That's the one I want them to do.

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Is that what member of the gang you are?

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Shaggy?

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To consider yourself a Shaggy?

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I mean, I don't see myself as a Velma.

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I mean, your options are Fred or I guess Scooby?

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I'm hot dog water.

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No, God.

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So there are the five core members of Mystery Inc.

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Obviously we've got our K9 Scoobert Scooby Doo.

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Then there is the self-proclaimed leader, Fred?

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I mean, he's the one who puts all the traps together and if you're the one who makes and

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designs the traps, you're kind of the one who's telling everyone what to do.

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That's why I'm going to say self-proclaimed.

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And then we've got the brains of the operation, Velma, Dinkley, and then the bait, Danger

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Prone, Daphne, Blake.

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Although she did learn a cratae, so...

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Marshall, R, it's yes, yes, yes, yes.

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She can be the bait, but she is strong.

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She's taking it back.

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And then we've got Scoob's best friend, Norval, Shaggy Roberts.

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The cast behind Mystery Inc. are just as notable as their cartoon counterparts.

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Frank Welker is the MVP of the mystery.

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The OG.

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He was originally vying for the part of Shaggy because it seemed like a very fun role and

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he landed the role of Fred.

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But how I came up with that voice was basically it's my own voice with maybe five cups of coffee.

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Hey, would you do it for a Scooby-Stack?

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Oh gosh, one, come on, guys.

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Hey, I can drive because I have a license.

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I can see that Fred is very like puppy energy.

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Yeah, it is uncanny how his cadence just beats up.

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What's interesting is Casey Kasey wanted the role of Fred.

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And Warner Brothers swapped it and was like, no, no, no.

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Yeah, it's like with Matt LaBlanc.

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I originally auditioned for Rachel, but they thought too much penis.

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This is a family show.

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Sort of.

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You might also know Frank Welker as Megatron in the animated Transformers and Smoky the

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Bear.

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Mm-hmm.

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Only you can prevent forest fires.

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That was brand new information for me.

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I didn't know he was Smoky the Bear.

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I know that when he was working at Hannah Barbera, like those actors, this is around the time

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when I mean, actors were kind of fading away from like studio loyalty, but a lot of times

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because at Hannah Barbera, they're just like, we're working on like 10 cartoons at once.

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We got all these actors here anyway.

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We got to fill in some roles.

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So that makes sense.

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Yeah, he started out as Fred Jones and then has played various roles in the Scooby Universe

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since 1969, including Fred's father, William.

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He's provided the voice for Scooby himself since 2002.

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That was after the death of...

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Don't make it.

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And he was actually attached to Scoob, Polly Hunt.

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As Scooby, in 2014, Casey Kason passed, leaving Frank as the only living member of the original

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Scooby-Doo cast.

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Casey Kason was the original voice of Shaggy from 1969 to 1997, then again from 2002 to 2009.

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I wondered why there was a gap there.

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Do you know why there was a gap there?

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It's because Shaggy voiced a Burger King commercial.

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Like I'm starving, Scoob.

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And Kason was a tried and true vegan who was heavily evolved in animal rights.

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He only returned to the role after it was changed.

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That Shaggy was a vegetarian.

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I went back and looked at what Shaggy was eating in the live action ones.

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It is an eggplant burger and a pizza with hot peppers.

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And that pizza looks pretty vegetarian to me.

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That's kind of like when Paul McCartney did a voice for the Simpsons.

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And he agreed to do the voice if they put in some message of being vegetarian and after

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that episode, Lisa became a vegetarian.

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I like that.

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There's been a handful of Valmas from the original Winnacolca Jaffee to the Facts of Life

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MindyCon, too most recently, Mindy Katelyn.

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And some diehard definitely is from original Idrina Stefaniaana, to Greg Griffin, to the daughter

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of Zina Adrienne Wilkinson.

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The 2002 and 2004 live action Scoobies have to go down as some of the best casting in history,

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especially with Matthew Lillard, who was so dedicated to the role.

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He would scream himself horse.

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He's done many interviews talking about doing the Shaggy voice, like even in doing the voice

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acting that he would just destroy his voice after a day's worth of work.

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Apparently there's one time where he is in the car and the Warner Brothers was like,

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"Hey, can you come in and audition again?"

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And so he was in the car just screaming as much as possible.

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And this person walked by and was like, "Are you okay, man?"

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As you said in the James DeGun Scooby Doo Valma was played by Linda Cardellini.

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Daphne was Sarah Michelle Geller and Fred was played by Freddie Prince Jr.

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Perfection.

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This is the version I'm most familiar with and I've watched it more times than I'd like

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to admit.

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And I'm going to say right now, throw Frank Welker in that Scooby, best Scooby cast ever.

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So why, or remember why they chose a different actor?

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I don't.

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It was for the Australian film tax credit.

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Yeah, so the tax credits, super important to Scooby more.

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So they ended up hiring an Australian actor who was actually a stunt actor originally who

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could do the Scooby voice and they hired him to do Scooby because they needed more Australian

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cast members.

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I watched in like a two hour behind the scenes thing.

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I love the behind the scenes.

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And he would sit off camera and like sometimes regularly, sometimes like a dog or like sometimes

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like couldn't help himself.

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It was like doing the action.

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I was like, okay, I get that we couldn't use Frank Welker.

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So like, what a great Australian choice.

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My favorite interview that came from that movie was Sarah Michelle Geller putting more meaning

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into the movie like.

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Offered so much more than every other cartoon.

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It was so ahead of its time.

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It had a story.

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They worked hard to figure it out and it wasn't gender specific.

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It wasn't a voice cartoon or a girl's cartoon or any of those things.

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It was a talking dog.

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That is my favorite how a woman's brain working.

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It's a talking dog.

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Like, what word do you want?

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This is why I love Scooby.

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It's so good.

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And while like I said, there's been many people to Don the Voices of Mystery Incorporated,

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the casting of our favorite gang is incredibly important.

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I think this is one of the like cracks in the foundation of why the reboot hit a snag.

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For starters in Scoob, we flash back to the young versions of the gang.

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And yes, we've done this before.

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It's been in various Scooby things.

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Both sets of Mystery Incorporated, we're going to call them the elders and the little's

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just for separation's sake, are flooded with star power.

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So it sort of seems like they outshine each other cast-wise.

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According to the interwebs, the elder mystery gang is supposed to be in their early 20s,

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which blew my mind.

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Yeah, the ages have varied throughout its many iterations, excluding pop name Scooby-Doo.

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Yeah, their ages are usually like, we're in high school to like early 20s or like, maybe

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their 30s.

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I guess the word just used to seeing them in their 20s and that's not something I ever

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thought about.

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Both Matthew Lillard and Greg Griffin were upset to have not been contacted over casting,

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although both wished the thing well after it had been made.

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Nothing against Will Forte, who actually wound up getting cast as Shaggy.

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But he and Matthew Lillard, same age, they're both 54.

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Playing 21, 22, the magic of animation.

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I mean, that's kind of like the voice of Fred in his 70s, 80s now, still doing Fred?

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Fred Walker?

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He's not doing Fred anymore.

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He plays Fred's father.

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Yeah, and Scooby, actually speaking of Fred, he would be played by Zac Efron.

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That's a choice.

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I get it because they were trying to make Fred more like athletic and funny and like built

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a little bit.

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And you can see it in the animation.

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Velma would be played by Gina Rodriguez of Jane the Virgin.

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I really do love that casting.

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I think everything she does is great.

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Daphne would play by Amanda Sepred.

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Of Mama Mia Faye.

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There's a 30% chance that it's already raining.

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Yep, but we at least get Frank Walker as Scooby.

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So those are some pretty big names for our Elder Scooby cast.

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Yeah.

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But I'm just kind of like baffled by why animated movies need to sell the fact that they have

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these a-lis actors as their cast because we don't see their faces.

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We hear their voices.

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No, it feels so different from our childhood.

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Because I was way too old when I realized like a lot of Disney movies are played by, or

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at least the Disney Renaissance of it.

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It was two different actors, one for speaking and one for singing.

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Like what?

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Yeah.

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Like you actually hired voice actors, people who like specialize in doing stuff like this,

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but it just, I don't know why studios insist that no, we need a-lis actors to be the voices

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of these people.

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And I guess it is fun to like watch Despic will me for and be like, oh, that is Will Ferrell.

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And I'm just like, oh my god.

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And I'm like, oh, I can hear that.

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And I'm just like, but what am I really gaining from that other than like, I can kind

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of hear Will Ferrell?

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Yeah, what 10-year-old is like, ah, Transylvania, that is Catherine Han.

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Yeah.

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I just don't understand the need for it or if there's really a difference in the poll because

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it's the IP that is going to sell it.

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I wonder how much longer that's going to be a thing based off of like, you know, we are

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now using social media standards to sort of cast people.

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We're in a state of like, let's throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

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And one way to quickly cut a budget is to cast a bunch of no names.

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Maybe we won't stay like that.

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Hopefully not.

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Yeah.

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And we're starting to see that the poll that actors have for a film is starting to kind

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of dwindle.

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Yeah.

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This was definitely within like the Marvel era that we started to like see the drop off

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of it.

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But like recently we had another Christmas movie, Red One, where the rock he demanded to

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be paid $50 million for his role.

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That is bigger than the entire budget of Scoob holiday, huh?

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He costs the studio $50 million more because of his tardiness.

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Oh my, I did hear about this.

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Yeah.

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His behavior on set was like frustrating the entire cast cost the production $50 more

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million.

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So the rock himself was $100 million dollars alone.

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And then you had to make a movie on top of that.

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You can make two Scoob holiday.

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You can make so many.

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But everything we're going to measure in the metric of how many holiday haunts you could

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have made.

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And then for the movie too, an opening weekend make, I think it was like just over 30 million.

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That's because it was released November 15th.

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I think they saw the green light of Wicked Up ahead and they're just like we cannot compete

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with that.

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So I blame the rock for holiday on.

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No.

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Well, maybe a little bit.

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Okay.

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We have our star-studded elder cast.

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And then in the story, we flash back to the gang during their very first mystery.

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And that is around the age of 10.

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And the little's cast is phenomenal.

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It's in armate of young Sheldon, a shecking, Ariana Greenblatt of Barbie, a Velma, a

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mechanic grace, who's literally played the young version of every female in the last

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decade.

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Hill House, to Phoebe and the new Ghostbusters.

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She voices Daphne.

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And then Pierce Gagnon, who appeared in Looper around the age of six, was cast as Fred.

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I didn't know what he had done a lot of.

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There's a quote from Ryan Johnson of knives out fame.

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It's really rare to find a kid who can do what he does.

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He would do three-page dialogue scenes with Emily Blunt and Joseph Gordon Levit and

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hold his own against them all the way through.

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So like good on him.

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Yeah, good for you.

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The caliber of these young actors makes so much sense with where they intended Scoob to go.

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Even though the little's are outstanding, I really wish they would have actually used the

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live-action elders from like our Freddie Prince Jr.

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Oh, yeah.

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If they would have used them as the elder cast, you're pulling in an entire audience from

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that.

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And then you actually really let the little shine as like the new cast.

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So Scoob starts with young Shaggy finding and becoming friends with Scooby.

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Oh.

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It's very sweet.

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And then we cut to Halloween night, Shaggy and Scooby meet the rest of the gang and enter,

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you guessed it, a haunted house.

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Where what do you think they do?

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They find a masked man trying to scare them.

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It is a thief.

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And they unmask.

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Boy, they think it's a ghost.

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They unmask the ghost, turns out it's a thief.

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It's a very cute little intro and exactly why we do love them.

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Then we cut to present day, mystery and because of business.

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They're meeting with Simon Cowell.

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Simon Cowell playing himself in the movie.

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Yeah, it's weird.

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This reference seemed really dated to me even for 2020.

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Yes.

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Simon Cowell doesn't like Scooby and Shaggy's behavior, so that's off.

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And Dick Dasterley is after Scooby and Shaggy.

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And never fear, they are rescued by Blue Falcon, DD Skies and Dino Mut.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they're really pulling from the Hannah Barbarra like roster.

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There's a roster.

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Meanwhile, Fred, Daphne and Velma discover that Dasterley is after Scooby because only Scooby

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because he's the descend dog of Alexander the Great's Dog, Parrotus.

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This actually reminds me of the live action version.

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Scooby's once again super important needs to be protected at all costs and you know, there's

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the whole like soul thing.

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So Scooby, Shaggy and the Blue Falcon game go to Mystic Mountain, which I thought was

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like a really nice way to honor the OG Scoob because that's his name.

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Scooby and Shaggy have their typical scuffle.

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Scooby gets captured and Dasterley gets muttly back.

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So does this make Scooby the new like damsel and distress?

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There are several words like Scoob keeps getting captured.

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I mean, there's been multiple instances where Scooby does get captured.

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Yeah.

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It's no longer Daphne getting captured at Scooby.

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There are instances where both Scooby and Shaggy like together will get captured and there's

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like been multiple episodes where that happens, but yeah, it's I think just it's nice that

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Daphne's not the damsel and distress anymore.

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Yes.

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And of course our mystery saves the day and catches muttly and Dasterley before performing

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their traditional unmasking.

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And it's Simon Cowell.

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Who apparently was a Rumptum Tucker in his secondary school's performance of Cats?

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What a line thrown in.

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Simon Cowell?

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Wow, that is a solid impersonation.

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Thank you.

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I also played Rumptum Tucker in my secondary school's production of Cats.

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This makes no sense.

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Is that real?

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That is an actual line from the movie.

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Oh, do you think he actually didn't realize?

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I have no idea.

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I don't know.

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I'm going to have to fact check that.

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I remember watching this movie and he says it and I was like, what?

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And of course, Valma catches the lot.

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Like, you know, anybody who hears that is like, you're not the real Kaper and then removes

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the mask again.

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And who is it?

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It actually is Dictastrally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The amount of fake outs to do, like you would have to think about that ahead of time to

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be like, I'm going to get caught.

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So I'm going to put a mask on top of my face to put another mask on top of that face so

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that if they unmask me, they're going to think I'm someone else, even though I'm still

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getting arrested.

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Yes.

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The double unmasking happens quite a few times and I really, really, I'm always forever going

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to hope that somehow they pull off the second mask and it's Don Nots.

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That's what I need.

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I needed to be done that.

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It's always Don Nots.

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Well, what do you think you saw?

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Don Nots.

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The movies are actually really cute.

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But in my research, I think I found like another crack in the foundation of like, why holiday

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Haunt didn't come out.

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Okay.

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So Scoob was meant to be the start of a cinematic universe.

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I'm seeing a theme with whatever you choose.

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I'm not doing this on purpose, but it's me.

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I'm the problem.

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So in 2016, Entertainment Weekly reported an announcement video for Scoob was described

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as our first shot at unlocking the whole Hannah Barbera universe implying that the long-term

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plan is for Scooby Doo reboot to lead a whole series of linked franchises based on the cartoons

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of William Hannah and Joseph Barbera.

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Warner subsidiary DC Comics is rolling out a slate of Hannah Barbera comics.

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Energy holds we could be getting a high octane big screen reboot of wacky races as early

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as 2020.

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Heck, sea lab 2020 could get a reboot by 2020.

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This is their monster tweet.

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Yeah, legitimately.

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Screenwriter Matt Lieberman actually said the original idea for Scoob, which actually stood

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for special covert organization of otherworldly beasts.

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No.

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No, you don't need to acronym Scoob.

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No.

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Originally it was though, it had the little dots unnecessary.

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Unnecessary is 100% correct.

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If you watch the movie, you do know that's not the case.

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However, Scoob director and writer producer of holiday haunt, he also worked on one of

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our childhood favorites, York Times based jam.

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Yeah, Tony Zervani worked on space jam and the scoop stuff.

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Wait, was he the director?

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He was the director of Scoob, any writer producer of holiday haunt, so it worked on both of them.

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But he basically confirmed the cinematic universe theory.

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At one point we did have more characters in the movie.

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And the reason they're not in is it's a 90 minute movie and you have to spend enough

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time with characters.

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So at one point, yeah, grape ape was in the movie.

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Jabberjaw was in the movie.

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Adam Ante was in the movie, but we just didn't have enough time.

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We couldn't keep them alive long enough.

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I'm starting to see, I think that's the point you're making because we did.

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Oh, this is still his quote.

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This is straight from director still.

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Yeah, but we still, like I'm trying to think of like the the monster universe where they

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were trying to like, just shove in as many monsters as possible and we like, you don't

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have to do that.

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Can you imagine my surprise when I like stumbled into this?

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I was like, oh my god, did it again.

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So you can't care about them enough, so they started stripping them away.

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At the core, you want to end this movie really emotionally attached to Scooby and Shaggy

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dastardly and muttly and dynamite and blue Falcon, which even that to me feels like too much.

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That's too much.

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I think if you just made it about Shaggy and Scooby, just make it about the mystery ink.

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I want all of them.

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But okay, so he said there might be little cameos.

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And I think when we first started, this was much more like a Hannah Barbera Avengers.

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Straight up quote.

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I know there's not much you can actually like refer it to and it kind of seems insulting

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that you working at Warner Brothers where there's a DC.

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Right.

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They're trying to put together their own universe and you're just like, yeah, like Marvel,

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the other place.

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Like you can see all of the cracks to this form.

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Yes.

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You have a cast that were not super like we're familiar with them, but we have a cast that

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like we grew up loving.

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But you got the cast issues got this multiverse of madness.

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My other point that this seems like a problem is you're really focusing on Scooby and Shaggy.

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And I think the beauty of mystery ink is there's literally someone for everyone.

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And when you focus on Scooby and Shaggy, you run into a problem because you've removed all

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the ladies.

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Yeah, you make it about their friendship, which I mean, if you're going to just make a

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movie about those two and then at the end of the movie, maybe they're just like, they

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run into the rest of the mystery ink team.

484
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Right.

485
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Come with us, but the fact that they're introduced so early that you need to.

486
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If you want to do a mystery ink movie, you got to include them all.

487
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If you want to do a Shaggy and Scooby movie, totally fine, but that's a different movie.

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The reviews were mixed.

489
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:09,700
Brian LaRae for CNN review said, granted, Scooby appears more into recycling than reinvention.

490
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:14,600
It's more of a snack than a meal, but it does endeavor to make an old concept fresh and

491
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600
cool again in children's eyes.

492
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,120
That might answer the question, why this movie exists?

493
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:23,320
But based on the results, nothing here merits the exclamation point.

494
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,640
To me, there's also something about the animation.

495
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,920
It feels very, like, digitalizing and puterized, but also somehow, like, slightly dated.

496
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,640
Yeah, there's been this look with animation.

497
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:45,360
And I kind of, I don't blame Pixar per se, but like, Pixar created that kind of smooth

498
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:46,360
look.

499
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,840
Oh, it is reminiscent of Toy Story a little bit.

500
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:56,960
And then with that Disney animation, then made the Switch to try and replicate that.

501
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:04,200
And then every studio after that, like Dreamworks, Blue Sky, they were taking on this idea that,

502
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:10,080
like, if you're going to do a CG animated movie, this is the type of look that you have to

503
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,080
do.

504
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Yeah.

505
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Basically we're having studios break away from that and actually, like, figuring out what

506
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,240
you can do in CG, but do kids these days like it?

507
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Kids these days.

508
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,240
How old am I?

509
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,240
You're a leveling kids.

510
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,120
I think it has to do with what are they familiar with because you think about like what kinds

511
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:34,520
of CG movies or animated movies that they are used to or at least the look of it.

512
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,080
Like you have the minions, you have Transylvania, you have Despicable Me.

513
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:45,380
And it is that smooth-ing look, they figure that if they're going to do a Scooby-Doo movie,

514
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:47,920
they have to adopt this type of look and style.

515
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,920
Yeah.

516
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,960
I guess to us who like grew up with like rewatching the cartoon and having our own sets of animation,

517
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,720
I find it very uncanny, Valley.

518
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,800
We also grew up in an era where we had the puller express and we were introduced to CGI that

519
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,840
way and we're like, oh, I don't know about that.

520
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,920
I was going to say I don't love that movie and now it makes sense because I am perturbed.

521
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,920
Yeah.

522
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,560
So we were there in the transition time where kids these days have- Kids these days.

523
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,560
Yeah.

524
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,560
There is a certain animation style that is expected with these movies.

525
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Yeah.

526
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,560
Like even look at Charlie Brown.

527
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,560
My movie was cute.

528
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Yeah.

529
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Yeah, but the recent Charlie Brown movie, like that wasn't a like- I was less smooth.

530
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,760
Hannon-Pate Earth.

531
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Right.

532
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,560
We're doing everything completely CG.

533
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,560
Yeah.

534
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,400
Just the way of the future, it changes like what animators do.

535
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Maybe in the future we'll have hand drawn mixed with it.

536
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,040
I would say you look at the newest Teenage Mutant Into Turtles movie.

537
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,040
Yeah.

538
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Or Spider-Verse.

539
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,040
Or Spider-Verse.

540
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,040
Or Spider-Verse.

541
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Yeah.

542
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Where you can take the medium of CG animation, but you can actually stylize it.

543
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,480
Right.

544
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,800
Like the initial idea behind making CG animation was that you wanted to replicate real life

545
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,360
as much as possible.

546
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,400
And now we've hit that point where you can render images digitally to make them look real.

547
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,120
And now what's the difference between that and reality?

548
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:18,680
So you have to kind of shoehorn it into a certain style, so that people know CG animated.

549
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,680
Right.

550
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,360
And if you hear the real life Scooby in the background, he's just upset about the construction.

551
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,360
We haven't given him enough Scooby Snacks.

552
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,880
He's never enough Scooby Snacks for him.

553
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,880
Okay.

554
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,480
So the budget is not necessarily like a crack.

555
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,680
This is a gaping wound of evidence as to why Holiday Haundin came out.

556
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,160
So Scoop had a budget of 90 million.

557
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,560
Holiday Haund had a budget of 40 million.

558
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
So we are already slashing that.

559
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,320
And when you look at the box office, there's no secret why.

560
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,640
28 million worldwide, two million in the United States and Canada, which seemed low for me,

561
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,120
but remember this is 2020.

562
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,120
Yeah.

563
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,120
What month, 2020?

564
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,120
I don't know.

565
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,120
Okay.

566
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:02,600
I think it just went straight to...

567
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,000
It went straight to Vod here.

568
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Yeah.

569
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,520
And this is one of those weird periods where movies were experimenting with like we're

570
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,120
going to do same day theatrical relief.

571
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:13,120
The day that you think.

572
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,120
Oh yeah.

573
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,120
Deep into it.

574
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,120
Yeah.

575
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,960
So we're strict lockdown at this point.

576
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Yes.

577
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Yeah.

578
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,960
There was no theatrical release.

579
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,800
I remember the price to rent out that movie was something like $25 or...

580
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,800
And they still do that.

581
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:34,680
In a lot of ways, Scoob and like the pandemic and then holiday Haund are a perfect example

582
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
of what's happening in the industry.

583
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,360
So again, we've got 28 million worldwide, two million in the United States and Canada and

584
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
26 internationally and worldwide are the same.

585
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Why is that one sentence?

586
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,720
Because one of them was people, Mr. worldwide.

587
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Mr. worldwide.

588
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Actually, yeah, 20 million from people.

589
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,280
That's not a lot.

590
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,520
So they didn't make their money back.

591
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160
They didn't even make back what would have been a budget for holiday Haund.

592
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,960
It was however, the third most watch title on Vaughan in 2020.

593
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,840
So like we were watching it at home.

594
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,600
Yeah, they were just not making the money that they expected.

595
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,600
Right.

596
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Because when you think about like if a family goes out to see this movie in theaters, that

597
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,720
family, each one of them needs a buy ticket, buying all the snacks and drinks and all that

598
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,040
stuff for them.

599
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,160
But now that you're at home, you just buy the one rent fee.

600
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Right.

601
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,480
You stack in all the kids, theater, double seating, just like stadium style in the living room.

602
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Right.

603
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080
You have snacks that are real cheap.

604
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Mm-hmm.

605
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Yeah, like you're proving all my points.

606
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,880
If you had a family, it's a perfect situation.

607
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,320
40 million dollars for animation in today's climate is absolutely nothing.

608
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,320
Nothing.

609
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,320
And that's what I'm saying.

610
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640
For what the rock got paid, we could make holiday Haund two plus times.

611
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Yeah.

612
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,040
So in June of 2021, Scoob holiday Haund was Greenlit with a release date of December,

613
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,720
22nd, 2022.

614
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,200
That time light in that budget are absolutely insane.

615
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640
I really can't wrap my head around how they finished it.

616
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,120
Holiday Haund is a prequel directed by, I'm gonna butcher their names and I'm so sorry.

617
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,080
Michael Ternsky and Bill Holler.

618
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Both of which called it a knives out for kids.

619
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
It was supposed to be a true mystery.

620
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,840
It took place three days before Christmas.

621
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,360
There were going to be three monsters and some pretty epic chase scenes.

622
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:26,120
The inspiration they were taking was from Stranger Things, Clue, and only murders in the building.

623
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,680
And there was going to be a lot of classic Christmas influence.

624
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,480
This is so cool.

625
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,720
This one's great.

626
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,720
So upset.

627
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000
So it's set 10 years before Scoob.

628
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,200
So we've got 10 year old Shaggy and the gang go to Fred's uncle, Ned.

629
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Do they all rhyme in that family?

630
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,840
I hope so.

631
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Fred Ned Tid.

632
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,440
That's really all I got.

633
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
And they go to a holiday themed resort.

634
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,280
Which to me being a fan of spooky island, I love when they go to a themed resort.

635
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,440
I'm a sucker for a Scoob gang themed resort.

636
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,880
I mean, that's kind of indicative of every Hallmark holiday movie where whatever B and B

637
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,600
that they're staying at is always like a Christmas themed one.

638
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,840
And be like, you do this all year and be like, yeah, it's Christmas all year.

639
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,680
I want to go to a Christmas themed resort or a Hanukkah themed resort.

640
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,640
I hope it's like a winter holiday.

641
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
You get your Hanukkah, your quanza, your Christmas.

642
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Have you ever been to Frankenmood?

643
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,520
I have.

644
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Yeah.

645
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,800
Go to boners.

646
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,400
All that is is just a 365 day Christmas store.

647
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400
And it's huge.

648
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400
It's massive.

649
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880
I have not gone in a very long time and I think I'm due.

650
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Yeah.

651
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,880
It is a warehouse.

652
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
There are six warehouses.

653
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Yeah.

654
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,280
There are different rooms that have different themes in them.

655
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Christmas isn't just the theme.

656
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,800
It is like Christmas is just the destination and all of those different rooms are the journey

657
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,800
you go on.

658
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
And then when you're done, you go to Yodors and get chicken.

659
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,160
This is a big thing for Michigan kids if you can't tell.

660
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Okay.

661
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,400
So they're at this holiday themed resort and of course they're go go go go go go.

662
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Oh, wow.

663
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Yeah.

664
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,200
And there's a haunting and a 40 year old mystery and need of solving.

665
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,760
And along the way, they learn the true meaning of Christmas.

666
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,760
Capitalism?

667
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Yep.

668
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,280
But the young mystery and cast of Scoob and Frank Welker are back along with an even more

669
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,120
drinky cast than the first.

670
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,400
You got Michael McKean as Uncle Ned.

671
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Do you know who Michael McKean is?

672
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,400
I do not.

673
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Oh my god.

674
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,000
He's Doug Forset from the good place and he's Mr. Green and glue casting gold.

675
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,560
And then the late great Andre Brower who said I've always had a soft spot for Scooby-Doo

676
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Amen.

677
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,400
He was cast as chef Dave, the resort's head chef who befriends the children.

678
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Our past away in December of 2023 and this looks to be one of his last projects.

679
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,840
And when I sent you the image, you immediately got excited and said Condiment King.

680
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,400
I don't know that that's where his role was going to go, but it's really cool to see

681
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,720
that he's got like cheese graders on his arm and he's got like condiments in his belt.

682
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,720
It's very sad that for like that sake alone, we don't get to see it.

683
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,800
I brought it up because there was maybe a chance it could be Condiment King just because

684
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,040
it is DC Comics.

685
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Yeah.

686
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,680
And Scooby is also met Condiment King, so that makes a lot of sense.

687
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Kazzy?

688
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,680
I know they met back.

689
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Ording to the inner webs.

690
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Oh, I know they met Batman.

691
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,680
Right.

692
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,680
I mean, why wouldn't you?

693
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Yeah.

694
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,320
I thought that was a very, very fun place for that to go.

695
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Again, the script is nowhere to be found.

696
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,280
And part of me really hopes that it's not because it's just under lock and key because they're

697
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,120
trying to figure out a way to release it.

698
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Okay.

699
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,360
So additional actors were Christo Fernandez of Ted Lasso.

700
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Who is?

701
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Football is life.

702
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Yes.

703
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,360
Yes, yes, yes.

704
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Ming Na Wen.

705
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Willon?

706
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Oh, yeah.

707
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

708
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,360
Maya Hawk, Stranger Things.

709
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Oh, fun.

710
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,360
And Pryor Ferguson, of Stranger Things.

711
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,360
She's here.

712
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:57,360
So they had secured one more little role in the way of a Skywalker turned phenomenal voice

713
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,360
actor, Mark Hamill.

714
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Oh, yes.

715
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,880
The directors seemed really jazzed to have him on board.

716
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,160
And word on the street was that he was playing none of the, then the man with the bag,

717
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Cyclaz.

718
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Oh.

719
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,880
And the script is locked tight somewhere.

720
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
So there are things that say he played Uncle Ned.

721
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800
There are things that say he was going to be Santa.

722
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,320
My personal thing is like Michael McKee as Uncle Ned.

723
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,520
And Mark Hamill as Santa makes so much sense to him.

724
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Yeah.

725
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,720
And they actually got an actual voice actor, which was, yeah, Mark Hamill.

726
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,720
I mean, that's the beauty of Mark Hamill, though, right?

727
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:38,480
Like he went from being a traditional screen actor to being one of the most well-known voice

728
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,480
actors of our generation.

729
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Yeah.

730
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,920
And he had heard his Joker, I don't know what you're doing.

731
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,920
Yeah.

732
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,800
You know why he went into voice acting, right?

733
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,800
No.

734
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,800
He's entertaining.

735
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,600
So it was between New Hope and Empire.

736
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,600
He had gotten in.

737
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Oh, from his accident?

738
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Yeah, he got into a car accident and he's like, I don't think, like, the moneymaker got

739
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,680
to hit him.

740
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,160
Yeah, he's like, I don't think I can like keep showing my face in front of the camera after

741
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160
that injury.

742
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,480
So he just like honed in on to just being a voice actor rather than trying to.

743
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Which is nuts, because he's still a phenomenal screen actor.

744
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Yes.

745
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,040
He's so upset because this is where things are going to take a heartbreaking.

746
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Oh.

747
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:21,880
And the scoop holiday hunt was abruptly canceled on August 2nd, 2022, three months short of

748
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,480
its release, eight weeks before projected deadline.

749
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,960
When did the merger officially happen?

750
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Uh.

751
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Okay.

752
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,200
I'm just curious as to what the timeline is from like David Zazelov coming in doing whatever

753
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,760
nonsense he's still allowed to do.

754
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,760
April 8th.

755
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,760
Okay.

756
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,920
So yeah, a few months after.

757
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:48,240
So if we remember, they had less than two years and this tiny budget to get this movie

758
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,240
done.

759
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,840
And if you know anything about filmmaking, they were full steam ahead.

760
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,280
The team was 95% complete at the time of cancellation.

761
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,640
This is the worst part to me.

762
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,480
The news leaked before a handful of crew members were told.

763
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,720
Chernsky found out via Twitter when a stranger asked him if it was true.

764
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:11,520
Yeah, that seems to be the case for like actors who are canceled or written out of a show.

765
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Like they'll find out from tabloids.

766
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,080
I feel like we're getting better at it though.

767
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,000
And this is more of a modern day example of this happening.

768
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920
I remember happening a lot more when we were kids, but I think because the internet takes

769
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,480
over so drastically these days, we have a respect for it now.

770
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,000
You don't want to leak spoilers like, you know, I just can't imagine they were sitting

771
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,640
working on the movie.

772
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,520
And then he just opened his social media and his whole life changed.

773
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,080
This was their directing debut.

774
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,600
They've been working in animation all of their lives like they're legends and they finally

775
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,600
get this movie.

776
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,160
They are almost done and literally is pulled out from underneath them.

777
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,400
Not even given a chance.

778
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,000
The stage and the musicians for the score were already paid.

779
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,440
So post-cancelation, they recorded the complete score anyway.

780
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Like what else are you left to do?

781
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,440
In early November of 2022, Tony Silverone, director of Scoob writer, producer of holiday

782
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,280
Haunt posted to Instagram, "Well, we finished the thing today.

783
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,400
A better sweet conclusion for sure.

784
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
I really hope you get a chance to see it somehow.

785
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,920
It's a good one."

786
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360
He goes on, he congratulates the directors, the cast, the crew.

787
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,840
He said they understand the characters, comedy, and spooky thrills so well.

788
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,840
Every minute with you was a pleasure.

789
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:31,760
The team went from nothing, not even a script, to a full finished film in less than two years.

790
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,080
And like, it's just never gonna be celebrated.

791
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,400
It's never gonna see the light of day.

792
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,840
And all because of tax credits.

793
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Yeah.

794
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,880
In preparation for the show, you're doing this and you're finding it frustrating that there

795
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,360
was no script that was out there.

796
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880
You can find anything, no leak or anything like that.

797
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,960
And I remember from doing the Kingdom of the Sun episode, which was the Emperor's New

798
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,800
Groove episode, when they were putting that movie together because they were scrambling

799
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,800
to put it together.

800
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,680
There was no actual official script.

801
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,400
After the movie had released.

802
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,520
I think it was the WGA had come to them and be like, "You have to register that script."

803
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,520
And the directors of it were like, "We don't have one."

804
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,680
So they sent a bunch of PAs to go to the theater and watch the movie and transcribe the whole

805
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,520
movie to make an official script.

806
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,680
An official script was submitted after the movie was released.

807
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Honestly, I guess, thank God we live in this day and age where you could just be like,

808
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160
computer transcribe.

809
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:39,280
I have a feeling that this is sort of a similar case, like understanding how fast they were

810
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,280
flying by the sea.

811
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Like, I don't think anyone unless you work in the industry understands what a feat this

812
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,880
was.

813
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,720
Scoob took five years to make, five years, and double the budget.

814
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:54,840
It has mixed reviews and you can say what you want about it, but it is a very cute wholesome

815
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,840
film.

816
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,160
And now you literally pull half of that away.

817
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,120
And they made something better?

818
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:06,600
I mean, from everything that you read, it sounds like it was going to be so good and you

819
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,720
have the issue of having the two casts that I was trying each other gone.

820
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,240
Their budget was set, their timeline was set, and they did it.

821
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,080
So a lot of the issues that you would have had, they're already like, "Well, okay, wipe

822
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,160
that away."

823
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,320
So a lot of the things that were hitting hard at Scoob were not in holiday hunt.

824
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,720
You don't have to worry about the multiverse.

825
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,680
Like you don't have to worry about the competing cast.

826
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,320
And then you had a team that was so jazzed.

827
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,280
Like to make their directing debut, you know they were putting every piece of effort into

828
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,280
this.

829
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,440
It's very heartbroken, heartbreaking.

830
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,440
Heartbreaking.

831
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480
So heartbreaking that I can't find my words.

832
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Yeah, there's definitely pieces of media movies, TV shows that adapt an IP and you can always

833
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:58,640
tell when the movie or TV show is being taken care of by a genuine fan.

834
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:04,680
If they have been an animation for so long, like Scooby-Doo is one of the staples of animation.

835
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,080
So like they would know Scooby inside and out.

836
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:15,080
And I watched so many interviews because the information is so scattered and so sort of

837
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,800
like everyone who hears this is like, "Ah, Zaz love cut it."

838
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,360
And that's never the story.

839
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640
It is never so one no and black and white.

840
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,240
There's always way more to it.

841
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,840
Like I told Dan this was very, very frustrating to do.

842
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,720
I love Scooby and I wanted to give him all of the energy that I could, but to not be able

843
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,440
to find the script, to not be able to find like the proper breadcrumbs to get a straight

844
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,360
answer was really frustrating.

845
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,600
So you couldn't find the script.

846
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,080
That's the thing that we like to present is the story that you may not have heard of

847
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,080
before.

848
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,280
But there's been research that I've done before where the script just could not be found.

849
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,680
And anyway, shape or form, and I just kind of have to go off of here say.

850
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,120
I watched so many interviews with the directors and you could tell how into it they were.

851
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,880
It's like it's an honor to work with franchise like this that did this and I took it as a

852
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,840
responsibility to get it right.

853
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Like if this is going to shape me as a person as an animator in my career, I'm going to

854
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,640
make sure if I get a chance to work on it, which I'm fortunate for to try to do everything

855
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,120
I can to make this as good as I possibly can.

856
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,880
And we spent for holiday on and directing, which is amazing that we got to do.

857
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
You know, we put everything into this.

858
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,800
Sometimes they still post on Instagram, the directors and Tony.

859
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,600
And you can tell that they're still upset about it and they have every right to be.

860
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,760
I can't imagine working on a project and basically being done and then being like no one

861
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,680
will ever see it.

862
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,840
And like we've all worked on like little things that never get done.

863
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,840
But to go, I have the budget.

864
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,040
I have the studio backing.

865
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,400
I have everything I could ever want to make this movie.

866
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,400
Yeah.

867
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,360
I think the fact that it was complete is what the heartbreaking part of it is.

868
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,920
The fact that it was canceled through no fault of their own.

869
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,720
It seemed like the production there was no trouble within there.

870
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,640
They weren't inflating the budget.

871
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,520
They didn't run into major rewrites or anything like that.

872
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,520
They didn't have time.

873
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Yeah.

874
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,520
They worked with what they got.

875
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,040
They were handling it well.

876
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,120
It was not a mess and somehow they still got the axe.

877
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Yep.

878
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,120
I have to ask you.

879
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Do you want to see this movie?

880
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Yes.

881
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Yeah.

882
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Where's my candle?

883
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Yeah, grab a candle.

884
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,400
That's what that candle was for.

885
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,760
You just had your answer prepped the whole time.

886
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,760
Yeah.

887
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,560
It is a hell yeah.

888
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Hell yeah.

889
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,960
I want to see Scoob holiday hunt.

890
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Yeah.

891
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,960
No, we're going to put this.

892
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,200
No, my arm put it up here.

893
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Up here.

894
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Front and center.

895
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,720
This is a unanimous.

896
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,000
This is going to be a fun question to keep asking each other for some time.

897
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,680
Sometimes we're going to agree and sometimes we aren't.

898
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,680
If it's a hell no on the back, that'd be great.

899
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Oh my god.

900
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,360
We're going to carve it into the back.

901
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,360
But I think this might be just the most unanimous.

902
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,880
I want to see this movie.

903
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,880
Yes.

904
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000
I mean, I'm a middleing Scooby fan these days.

905
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,440
It just was such a good script.

906
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,240
And then over time, little things have been leaked here and there.

907
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,120
Animation, stuff like that.

908
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880
One of the monsters was going to be Krampus.

909
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Yeah.

910
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,880
I love Krampus.

911
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:12,880
I love Krampus.

912
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,200
I love Krampus, but I do think I understand the financial logic of the cancellation.

913
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Boo.

914
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,040
I'm very strategic in what I'm saying.

915
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,480
They had the budget issues that like new voice cast, like I said, the original getting mixed

916
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,480
reviews.

917
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,680
If they thought that they could not recoup the money, which they didn't from the first,

918
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,680
the tax break makes a lot of sense.

919
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,560
I don't agree.

920
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,320
There are relationships that are built when you make a movie, the directors, the cast,

921
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600
the crew, and the audiences.

922
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:48,720
And between this and they also canceled back girl and Coyote versus Acme, those cancellations

923
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,880
are going to hurt those relationships.

924
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Yeah.

925
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,800
And it's really hard for any artist to then trust the studio that they're going to follow

926
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,000
through on their promise.

927
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,360
If you're going to keep doing that.

928
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,480
And I remember when Zazloth was like making cuts left and right.

929
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,760
And everyone was like, what are you doing?

930
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,560
You are, you are destroying the thing that your company is.

931
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Known for.

932
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Yeah.

933
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Like you are known for making movies, TV shows, and you are tossing it to the side and you

934
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,040
are treating this like it's a, like a firm.

935
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Yeah.

936
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
This isn't that.

937
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Yes, you need to run a business, but like you have to make stuff.

938
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Yeah.

939
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,080
He has a quote where he said, we have a different view on the wisdom of releasing direct to

940
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,720
streaming films.

941
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:40,280
And we've taken some aggressive steps to course correct the previous strategy because

942
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,120
this merger happened in 2022.

943
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,600
I think a lot of this has to go with the pandemic where everybody was releasing things at home.

944
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,880
They're taking aggressive steps to course correct.

945
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,200
We get upset about all of the mergers, which are continuing to happen.

946
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,960
Like we're not done.

947
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,880
There's the state of the industry is a shit show.

948
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,040
We love this industry.

949
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,200
We are in, like I said, a phase where we are throwing everything at the wall and seeing

950
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,440
what sticks in 2020.

951
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,760
The movie was released film and like how we watch film kind of changed forever because of

952
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,760
the pandemic.

953
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,760
Films are delayed.

954
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Movie theaters were closed.

955
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,320
You couldn't go to a theater.

956
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,280
And so the industry had no choice but to pivot.

957
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,520
And that's when our theatrical releases hit streaming.

958
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,080
I mean, was it cool to watch Wonder Woman 1984 in Christmas morning in my PJs with my

959
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,080
peppermint coffee?

960
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,080
It was great.

961
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,080
Sure.

962
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,760
But it wasn't the same.

963
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,080
It's not the same.

964
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,160
And that's what's so important.

965
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,800
I'm glad that we get to have this conversation because it is important, but I am always so

966
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,640
thrown when I travel to anywhere in the country.

967
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,440
And there are so many people who are still out of work.

968
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,720
People look at me and go, well, they're still making movies.

969
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,280
I mean, technically true.

970
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,280
Yep.

971
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,960
However, in 2020, we had roughly 800 movies released in the US in 2023.

972
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,960
Do you know how many?

973
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,480
I'm going to guess half that.

974
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Yeah.

975
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Roughly 500.

976
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Or half.

977
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,600
So you have half of an industry.

978
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,400
Yes, they're still making movies, but like those people who are making those 800 movies,

979
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,120
now you have to try to fit them into a 500 movie box.

980
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,880
And on top of that, they're trying to cut the costs of those productions.

981
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,880
Exactly.

982
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,640
It comes back to the point that you're saying about Scoob and like taking a family to see

983
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,640
it.

984
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Why are you paying $20 for a ticket?

985
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,040
And movie theaters are expensive.

986
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,040
Yes.

987
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,640
And I moved to the South last year.

988
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,320
Like we live in LA, the reverence for movies here, we live in this bubble.

989
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,160
And when you leave the bubble, you see what the rest of the world or at least the rest of

990
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,560
the US, their theaters are really like they are falling apart.

991
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:53,600
I drove over an hour for barbenheimer because I did research to find the theater that I could

992
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,600
go to.

993
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,240
We live within like three miles of three theaters.

994
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,240
Yeah.

995
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,440
We have three movie theaters, AMC movie theaters.

996
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,600
AMC Stubs brought you by.

997
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Just getting we bush.

998
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,840
All on the same block.

999
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,840
Yeah.

1000
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,840
Yeah.

1001
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,840
And if we want to, we'd walk there.

1002
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,840
We have four theaters.

1003
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,840
Oh my god.

1004
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,840
Yeah.

1005
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,840
I think you're right.

1006
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,640
That the mentality of movie theaters are definitely different.

1007
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,240
And streaming has definitely changed the mentality of how we watch things.

1008
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,240
Exactly.

1009
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,520
Do you know how big of a TV you can get at home?

1010
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,520
So big.

1011
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,520
115 inches.

1012
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080
And you can get a projector that goes even bigger.

1013
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Yeah.

1014
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,040
And in 8K Ultra HD.

1015
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,720
And in 8K, we have a lot of different theaters that I was going to were terrible.

1016
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,720
Megan stopped seven times.

1017
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:37,720
Oh, geez.

1018
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,960
And no one seemed to care.

1019
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960
I get very emotional about this.

1020
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,080
We love this industry.

1021
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,080
We work in this.

1022
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,800
I mean, we're trying to work this industry.

1023
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,560
And it's something that we need to talk about and get more people to talk about.

1024
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,480
And Scoob, you can be outraged by Scoob getting canceled, but you got to do something about

1025
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,480
it.

1026
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,760
Like when is the last time you sat and watched a movie and put your phone down?

1027
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,760
It's the other thing.

1028
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,920
We're not even watching it at home.

1029
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,640
We have a second screen in front of us.

1030
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,640
Yeah.

1031
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,640
It's background.

1032
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,640
Right.

1033
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,640
Okay.

1034
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,640
So attention spans are shorter.

1035
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,880
Social media seems to be on the rise forever.

1036
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,880
We get it.

1037
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,240
We're probably coming to you on social media.

1038
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,600
And like you said, the cool thing about theaters, it's not the same.

1039
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,560
It's so nice to be in a theater with other people.

1040
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,560
Sometimes it sucks.

1041
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Sometimes they are on their phone.

1042
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Sometimes they are talking and doing things they shouldn't.

1043
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,640
But for the majority of the time, the strangers around you help create the environment of

1044
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,480
what you're watching.

1045
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,720
I know that we love going to a horror movie and hearing someone go, oh, hell no.

1046
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:40,720
Oh, man.

1047
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,680
My favorite movie experience still.

1048
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,640
One of my favorites is Scene Fall.

1049
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Oh my God.

1050
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,400
I've never seen people walk out of the theater more than watching that movie.

1051
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Right.

1052
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Not because it was bad, but because it was terrifying.

1053
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,560
Oh, man.

1054
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,680
It just, I loved every second of it.

1055
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Yeah.

1056
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,760
So I went to Wicked last week.

1057
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,760
Did people sing along?

1058
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,000
No, we were very, very lucky.

1059
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Did you had to like hold yourself back?

1060
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,240
I'm out to a couple of things.

1061
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,480
But like my best friend flew out so we could watch it together because it was that important

1062
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,360
to go see the movie in theaters together.

1063
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,160
Now, which one of you is Scoob?

1064
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,760
Which one of you is Shaggy?

1065
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,760
Exactly.

1066
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760
Shaggy is green.

1067
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Scooby is pink.

1068
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,760
Huh.

1069
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,760
I see it.

1070
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,360
The theater was packed.

1071
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,440
A week after its release, I can't remember the last time I was in a packed theater.

1072
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,520
I'm a musical theater kid at heart and it was musicals don't make money.

1073
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,000
I now beg to differ.

1074
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,160
The right musicals make money.

1075
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,280
A musical that sells itself as a musical makes money.

1076
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,960
If you try to hide it, wonka and mean girls, then people are going to despise you.

1077
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,440
I liked both of those.

1078
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,440
I mean.

1079
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,440
I'm not saying that they were bad movies.

1080
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,280
Well, I'd have my qualms with the meat girl musical.

1081
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,920
That's a different podcast over so.

1082
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,920
Yeah.

1083
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
If you're going to do that, sell it as it be in a musical.

1084
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Yeah, you can't really.

1085
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,080
Don't try to trick us into watching a musical and suddenly we're going to be like, "Oh,

1086
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,080
you're right.

1087
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,720
I like spontaneous song and dance.

1088
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,080
I don't know what I was thinking."

1089
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,080
Exactly.

1090
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,040
The state of the industry right now, everyone's looking for something that sells.

1091
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,040
For a long time, you could make a superhero movie and it would do well.

1092
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,280
We are in a superhero fatigue now and I think it's trying to find what's next.

1093
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,280
Oh my god.

1094
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,600
If it was musicals, let me so happy.

1095
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Where wills?

1096
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Yes, it's mom's Thursday.

1097
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Have you seen how many where-wolf movies are coming out?

1098
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,600
So many.

1099
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:42,440
It's like when you see one ant on the ground and then there's a whole flock of them.

1100
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,440
Yeah.

1101
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Okay.

1102
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,320
But Wicked also has two female leads, which is something we don't see enough of.

1103
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,760
It has almost a three hour runtime, which is most movies lately.

1104
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,080
I saw the runtime and I've seen the Broadway show and was like, "Oh, they're going to mess

1105
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,280
up something in there."

1106
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,280
And they doomed you.

1107
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,280
No, they didn't do me.

1108
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,720
I think this was such a good movie.

1109
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:02,720
People wanted to see it.

1110
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,160
That's my whole point is people want to go to theaters.

1111
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,560
They want that experience.

1112
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,680
And when the movie started, this beautiful hush fell over our theater.

1113
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,480
I had not felt that way about a movie in theaters since 2018's a quiet place.

1114
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,920
And so, and like I said, I guess we were like, "You know what's next?"

1115
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,680
There was so much reverence.

1116
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,640
It was really a dry eye and I clocked eyes with the woman next to me.

1117
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,920
And she just nodded her head and smiled at me.

1118
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,000
And I was like, "Ah, connection.

1119
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Getting out in the world and being off of our phones was like, this is what theaters are

1120
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,680
for three hours.

1121
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,560
We can escape the terrifying news of our world, even though that storyline is real close to

1122
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,560
our current world."

1123
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Because movies evoke fear and hope and all of these sometimes outrage if it's not good.

1124
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,880
But we're not alone.

1125
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,640
We can be angry and sad that movies aren't making it to the screen, but we have to do something

1126
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,640
about it.

1127
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,000
We have to recapture that feeling.

1128
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,800
Put our phones down and we have to listen to Nicole Kidman.

1129
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Tell us that heartbreak feels good in a place like this.

1130
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,680
A lot of emotions feel good in a place like this.

1131
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,680
We'll make movies better.

1132
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,200
So I think the Thanksgiving box office was the biggest unrecorded.

1133
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,720
We got hope, trickling in.

1134
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,240
And maybe we can prove that movies need to go to box office, like holiday hunt.

1135
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,480
And we have options for December 25th, which is Christmas, but also the first night of

1136
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,480
Hanukkah.

1137
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,000
Oh, I didn't know it was starting on Christmas.

1138
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Yeah.

1139
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,560
But so I want to talk about movies real quick that are coming out for Christmas and maybe

1140
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,800
it'll inspire people to actually go to the theater.

1141
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,320
So we've got a gamut of things.

1142
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,280
We have a complete unknown, which do you know that is?

1143
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,000
That is the Timothy Shalamet as Bob Dylan.

1144
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,000
The long, simple.

1145
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,000
I'm scared.

1146
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Yes, it's the Bob Dylan biopic with Timothy Shamalam.

1147
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,840
I will say that the biopic might be the next big thing because have you seen the line

1148
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,480
of biopics for like musicians?

1149
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,480
No.

1150
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,280
We've been in a biopic era for a little bit.

1151
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,720
Yeah, but there's going to be like a gluttony of them.

1152
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:52,720
Of course we are.

1153
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:53,720
Yeah.

1154
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,600
Like, there's going to be a quadrilogy for the Beatles.

1155
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,240
Okay, that makes sense though.

1156
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:00,920
So we've got our biopics covered.

1157
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,280
Then we've got Baby Girl, which is the Nicole Kidman Thriller.

1158
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,760
50 Shades of Nicole Kidman.

1159
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,760
Yeah.

1160
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,440
And then Blitz, which is Sarsha Ronin.

1161
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,200
I can only say it with Sarsha.

1162
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,200
Sarsha.

1163
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,080
It's a world war two story about Londoners during the bombing of the British capital.

1164
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,080
So we've got history.

1165
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Oh, Christmas traditions.

1166
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Exactly.

1167
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Then we've got the fire inside, which is about American professional boxer Clarissa T-Rex

1168
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,000
shields.

1169
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,240
I think that's her nickname.

1170
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,240
That's her full name.

1171
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,240
Did you name her?

1172
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,240
No.

1173
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,800
Training for the 2012 Summer Olympics.

1174
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,800
Boxer.

1175
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,800
Boxer.

1176
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,800
Thanks.

1177
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,800
I didn't know that.

1178
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,800
I clearly...

1179
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,800
She's from Detroit.

1180
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:39,800
Oh my God.

1181
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,040
I want to see it even more now.

1182
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,040
I watched the trailer for a lot of these when I was writing this stuff down and was like,

1183
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,240
"Ooh, this sounds real good."

1184
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,240
Okay.

1185
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,920
We've got biopic thriller history sports movie.

1186
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,740
And then for our horror kids, we've got Nosferatu, the star-studded Gothic table of an

1187
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:58,160
infatuated vampire for the children.

1188
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Nosferatu.

1189
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,160
Yes.

1190
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,200
We've got multiple offerings.

1191
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,800
We've got Mufasa, which is the origin story of Mufasa and I think Scar.

1192
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,240
And then we've got Sonic the Hedgehog 3.

1193
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,880
The video game sequel where they reunite to Battle Shadow.

1194
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,800
This movie technically comes out December 20th.

1195
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,360
And then there's an anime fantasy set 130 years before the Lord of the Rings books called

1196
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,560
The Lord of the Rings, The War of...

1197
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,560
Oh God.

1198
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Ro...

1199
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,560
Ro...

1200
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,560
Ro...

1201
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Nailed it.

1202
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,560
How do you say that?

1203
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,560
We're here.

1204
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,560
We're here.

1205
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,560
Okay, The War of Reherum.

1206
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,920
So, my point is over this holiday break, pile the kids, the friends, the people that you

1207
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,000
love into the car and please go back to the theater.

1208
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,240
Because then we don't have to worry about big company.

1209
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,240
We should always worry.

1210
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:40,240
But we don't.

1211
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,240
Always worry.

1212
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:47,000
But maybe there's hope that big companies don't need to worry about money so much that we

1213
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,080
can keep these smaller movies going.

1214
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,840
So Grapp's and Popcorn, maybe Cocktail, The Fy Gravity and whatever a gladiator says.

1215
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,840
Stabby stab.

1216
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,840
Stabby stab.

1217
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,920
There has been this theory as to why Hallmark movies and Christmas movies have become so

1218
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,920
popular.

1219
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,160
God you just created such a good segue for me.

1220
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:13,340
And the idea is that it's a movie where if you know the formula, you can kind of just

1221
00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:14,340
shut your brain off.

1222
00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:15,340
You can be background.

1223
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:20,360
You can kind of fall into it, come out of it whenever you feel like and especially with

1224
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,360
family coming home during the holidays.

1225
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Like things around the house can get more hectic.

1226
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,360
So you focusing on a movie for two hours might not be plausible for you and on top of that,

1227
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,120
this is kind of an escape from the news.

1228
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,860
But also what has been happening, especially towards the end of the year, we're not really

1229
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:43,880
seeing holiday movies catered to being a holiday movie.

1230
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,520
We're seeing movies that are kind of shooting at the end of the year because of the Oscars.

1231
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,280
And that's when we get like a ton of Oscar-8 movies.

1232
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,920
That's why we get so many biopics because for some reason the academy just like gush over

1233
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,400
just like anyone who is acting like a historical figure.

1234
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,400
Yeah.

1235
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,960
And he loves a biopic for studios are shoving in a musical because I think musical they

1236
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,920
think of as family entertainment, which is not always true.

1237
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,160
Be very careful how you're taking your young children to go see Wiggen.

1238
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,280
But like I remember going to see musicals on Christmas.

1239
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,760
Les Mizz was around Christmas.

1240
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,760
I want to say-

1241
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,920
But that was also an Oscar riddle.

1242
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,920
Okay.

1243
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Fine.

1244
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,200
I want to say rock of ages was also around Christmas.

1245
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,200
I don't know.

1246
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,680
But I can remember seeing a lot of musicals around Christmas time.

1247
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,680
I would I know.

1248
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,680
I am not the audience from-

1249
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,680
That can.

1250
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,280
I am not the audience from musicals and I will admit that.

1251
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,960
I am the audience from musicals.

1252
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,520
Oscar season is interesting because it doesn't cap off at the end of the year.

1253
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,120
It doesn't end it like January.

1254
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,120
Something like that.

1255
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,120
It's not a calendar year.

1256
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,320
But we are starting to see that in the holiday season.

1257
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:59,400
And so now it's time to talk about a homework.

1258
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,400
Oh perfect.

1259
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,240
So I have created our next segment.

1260
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,240
Is it homework?

1261
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:06,240
Ooh.

1262
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,240
Okay.

1263
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,840
So I am going to quiz Dan with I think four or five movies.

1264
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,840
Okay.

1265
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,840
And four or five pairings of movies.

1266
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,240
And he's got to figure out which one is the homework movie.

1267
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,240
Okay.

1268
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,640
So is it sugar plum twist or sugar plum kiss?

1269
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Sugar plum kiss.

1270
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,640
Twist.

1271
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Yeah.

1272
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,640
Sugar plum twist.

1273
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Well it came out in 2021.

1274
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,040
After failing to get the role of the sugar plum fairy in the Nutcracker, a ballerina

1275
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,320
joins forces with a retiree to create her dance with a Latin twist.

1276
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320
I love it.

1277
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,320
Yep.

1278
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,920
Also, these are going on our homework movies that we're watching.

1279
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,920
Okay.

1280
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,760
A Christmas in Vermont or a Christmas in Connecticut.

1281
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,760
Connecticut.

1282
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,560
A Christmas in Vermont.

1283
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,160
In 2016, a business woman is sent to shut down one of her company's holdings.

1284
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:58,320
But instead of closing down the iconic firm, she unexpectedly falls in love.

1285
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,800
These descriptions I'm pulling straight from homework.

1286
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,840
This star is Abigail Hawk, a Zach Ward who I know is a demon and charmed.

1287
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,360
Morgan Fairchild who is.

1288
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,360
Morgan Fairchild.

1289
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Wait, I don't.

1290
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,360
Chandler's mom.

1291
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,360
Oh yeah.

1292
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,560
And none other than Chevy Chase.

1293
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,360
Oh.

1294
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:23,000
Christmas in Connecticut, which is not the homework movie is from 1945.

1295
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,640
That was founded I guess in 1951, countdown to Christmas for homework didn't begin until

1296
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,640
2009.

1297
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,520
Christmas in Connecticut though, I feel like is where they pulled a lot of inspiration.

1298
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:41,160
An unmarried city magazine writer who pretends to be a farmwife and mother falls in love with

1299
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,640
a returning war hero.

1300
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Good.

1301
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:49,680
So there was a 1992 remake of this movie directed by the Terminator.

1302
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,200
After he did jingle all the way, he's like, I'm determined to make the best Christmas.

1303
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,800
This was preaching all the way.

1304
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,800
Whoa.

1305
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,160
Yeah, maybe he found inspiration in it too.

1306
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Engle all the way.

1307
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Amazing.

1308
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,680
It is a surprising fact that there's a lot of homework Christmas movies based on a book.

1309
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,680
Mm-hmm.

1310
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,680
See that's the thing.

1311
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,000
And the next coming year, I'm going to do a novel.

1312
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,760
And then the next coming year, I'm going to make a movie based on my own novel.

1313
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,400
That's how you get in, folks.

1314
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,400
Okay.

1315
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,880
Big city girl moves to Georgia.

1316
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:16,880
Oh my god.

1317
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,880
I can write a biopic.

1318
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,640
So Hanukkah on Rye or Hanukkah on the rocks?

1319
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,640
On the rocks.

1320
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,920
It's a trick question.

1321
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,600
They're both homework.

1322
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,680
I had to include both because it's so good.

1323
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,080
So Hanukkah on the Rye is in 2022.

1324
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,240
A matchmaker connects two deli owners during Hanukkah, but their new romance gets put to the

1325
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,120
test when they realize they're competing against each other.

1326
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,120
I love it.

1327
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,360
This starts Jeremy Jordan of Broadway fame.

1328
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,920
Or if you've seen the last five years with Anna Kendrick, I'm getting my musical kids

1329
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,920
in there.

1330
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,120
He's got a voice like a god.

1331
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,280
I hope he sings in it.

1332
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,280
I'm so going to watch it.

1333
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:56,840
And then Hanukkah on the rocks is coming this year, a week before Hanukkah, recently unemployed

1334
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:02,680
lawyer Tori embarks on a journey to find Hanukkah candles leading her to a Chicago bar, where

1335
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:07,600
she transforms the holiday spirit, discovered love and finds courage to pursue a new path in

1336
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,600
life.

1337
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,600
So disgusting.

1338
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,600
I love it.

1339
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,600
Christmas is December 25th, December 26th.

1340
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,920
Second night of Hanukkah is what we're doing.

1341
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,400
And our final duo.

1342
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,600
Have you ever been Christ or Chris Cringled?

1343
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Chris Cringled.

1344
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360
It's never been Christ.

1345
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,360
What?

1346
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,360
Right?

1347
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:28,080
I will tell you that as much of these movies that I watch, which is an unhealthy amount,

1348
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,160
I can never tell you the names of any of these movies.

1349
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,040
There is one movie that I remember in particular, and that is Christmas spirit.

1350
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Oh my God.

1351
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,800
And that's because I have a theory.

1352
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,960
I'm convinced that the Christmas ghost or whatever of Christmas present killed the

1353
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,840
girl, like poisoned her in her sleep, would them to be together forever.

1354
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,920
So the reason that you like this movie and remember it is because there's me or there.

1355
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,880
The only home mark movie that has murder in it.

1356
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,880
So never been Christ came out last year, home for the holidays, BFFs, Naomi and Liz reconnect

1357
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,080
with high school crush, Chris Silver.

1358
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,520
It complex love triangle forms, forcing them to take stock of their lives and find the

1359
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,840
value of friendship.

1360
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,840
I love it.

1361
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,120
So this was really fun for me to do.

1362
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,440
Mainly because I was like, I can't remember because you are of the two of us, the bigger

1363
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,920
home mark fan.

1364
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,240
And I was like, I can't remember if he's going to know these titles or not.

1365
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,400
Oh, definitely not.

1366
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,800
But I really wanted to do like a music one, but I couldn't put lyrics in and find a home

1367
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,920
mark movie that didn't get made.

1368
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,040
Because they all get made.

1369
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,880
They're not on this podcast for a reason.

1370
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:45,640
I will say because I used to listen to Deck the Home Mark podcast and they've talked to

1371
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Oh my god.

1372
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,120
I didn't know that was a thing.

1373
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,120
That's amazing.

1374
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,080
I've since stopped listening to them because.

1375
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,080
Why?

1376
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,080
Oh, you're going to explain.

1377
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,080
So sorry.

1378
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,720
So they review every single home mark holiday movie that comes out.

1379
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,400
I mean, that's a full time job.

1380
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,080
And over the years, it's just become more and more and more to the point where like they

1381
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:12,400
have to come out with a new show every day starting from like Halloween.

1382
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,400
Yeah.

1383
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,000
And it just became too much to like keep up.

1384
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,840
And if I had them in my feed, it would just like, it would probably be listening to.

1385
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Yeah.

1386
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,080
And it just like came to the same points every single time.

1387
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,080
It's all formulaic.

1388
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,240
There's one guy who like he loves home mark movies.

1389
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,040
One guy who's like kind of if he and one guy that despises it and it's just always the

1390
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,720
same opinion over and over and over again.

1391
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,720
It's three dudes.

1392
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:34,720
Yeah.

1393
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,720
What a brilliant.

1394
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,720
And it's a great thing to say.

1395
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:42,880
But they have been interviewing people who are involved with home mark Christmas movies.

1396
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,120
Whether it be the actors, they had the editor of some of those movies as well.

1397
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,520
But they also brought in a writer for it.

1398
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:56,320
I forget who the writer was, but they were talking through the process of getting Greenlit,

1399
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,820
or getting a one of their Christmas movies Greenlit.

1400
01:02:58,820 --> 01:03:02,120
And it's not that they don't get made.

1401
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:07,320
But like, home mark kind of comes through it and just like waters it down.

1402
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,080
You can't like go too far.

1403
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:15,040
Like even the editor was like trying to put in more special effects, try to jazz things

1404
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,040
up in there.

1405
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,640
And the producer came in and was like, no, no, no, you don't have to do this.

1406
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,360
This is going to be streaming in like a week.

1407
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,280
And like you don't need to put that much effort into it.

1408
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,560
And we'll have another one streaming the next day.

1409
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,560
Yeah.

1410
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:28,560
Here's the thing.

1411
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,560
They know their formula.

1412
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,440
At least they're branching out now.

1413
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,880
We have same sex couples and Hanukkah, which for a long time, we didn't.

1414
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:36,880
So that's great.

1415
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,080
But like they know exactly what they're doing.

1416
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,480
I'm sure their budget has got to be the exact same for every single movie.

1417
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,280
It's about two million dollars per episode or two million dollars per movie.

1418
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,840
Honestly, it really is just for episode.

1419
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,760
They have a Christmas season each year and it is, they have a holiday season each year.

1420
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,320
I mean, you think about it like the efficiency of it.

1421
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,880
It is a could be like a 90 minute movie that with commercials could be stretched out to

1422
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,680
two and a half hours.

1423
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,840
Like that is a good chunk of programming right there.

1424
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,360
And you think about like a television show.

1425
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,620
And the budget that goes into just one episode of a television show that is going to be

1426
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:16,800
on for a half an hour to maybe an hour.

1427
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:22,000
And the budget for that is far higher than what they're making these homeic Christmas

1428
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
moments.

1429
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,960
I was going to say it wasn't game of thrones like 15 million in episode.

1430
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,760
It was about 10 million in episode.

1431
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,720
I mean, but I think we're also going to stop having those massive budget things.

1432
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Yeah.

1433
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:45,560
So we've done our home mark segment now onto our top three holiday movie recommendations.

1434
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,240
And why we continue to watch them year after year.

1435
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Let's go backwards.

1436
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Backwards.

1437
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,080
Yeah, so what's your third favorite?

1438
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:59,760
I am going to go with the Grinch, the one with Jim Carey.

1439
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,880
That's my number two.

1440
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,760
And I remember this finally because when I was much younger when the movie came on theaters

1441
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,520
like all of us as a family we get to see that movie together and see core memories going

1442
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,400
to the theaters and my dad.

1443
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:22,440
He was one of the early adopters of a DVD player back when it's not that old of a movie is

1444
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,440
it's 2002 right?

1445
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,600
It was one of the first DVDs we ever bought because the DVD case was green.

1446
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:33,560
It kind of became this unofficial tradition that my aunt uncle would come over.

1447
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,200
We'd have Christmas dinner lunch.

1448
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,480
It was like three in the afternoon and then after things were winding down.

1449
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,560
And just again that's dinner.

1450
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:46,800
And we would just pop in the Grinch just because it just we all enjoy that movie really

1451
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,640
love that movie and it's really funny.

1452
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,840
I mean, I know that movie is so quotable.

1453
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,360
I know for a fact that there was one Christmas where Laura made it a different saying her

1454
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,240
Facebook status every day for the month of December.

1455
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:05,280
And you would think that eventually you would run out of like Grinch statements and you

1456
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,680
just don't know it's so good.

1457
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,680
That's my number two.

1458
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,680
Okay.

1459
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,680
So it's your number three.

1460
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,680
I had to for my number two.

1461
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:12,680
We'll get there.

1462
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,720
My number three is it's a wonderful life.

1463
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,840
And this is a very similar reasoning to you where Christmas Eve we eat.

1464
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,200
We make white Russians.

1465
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,040
We all gather around the TV and we watch it's a wonderful life.

1466
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,240
And there was one year where we had a few too many cocktails and decided that we were all

1467
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,480
going to stand up and do the Charleston.

1468
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:35,160
And so like now every year that I am not back in Michigan, I will watch it and get up

1469
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,280
and do the Charleston by myself just because it's such a good memory.

1470
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:44,000
I think it was you who told me that it's a wonderful life almost wasn't like a big

1471
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,000
Christmas movie.

1472
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,000
It wasn't meant to be a Christmas movie like even a little bit.

1473
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,360
It's kind of one of those movies that fall under is it a Christmas movie or a movie that

1474
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:58,000
takes place during Christmas and it's one of those movies that takes place during Christmas.

1475
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,840
But it's because of the copyright.

1476
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,320
So because the movie was not.

1477
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Because it lapsed.

1478
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:10,000
Yeah, because the movie was not big and the studio behind it getting away from the point.

1479
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,000
The point is that it was a movie that the studio was not.

1480
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,440
Liberty films, which is paramount.

1481
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,440
Sorry.

1482
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,880
It was a movie at all because it wasn't successful.

1483
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,480
And they just didn't think to like renew the copyright for it.

1484
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:31,760
So what a time to be live when it like ended suddenly all of a sudden these TV stations realize

1485
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,640
we are looking for something for a programming programming costs a lot of money or like in

1486
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:37,800
the right for it.

1487
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,800
And then they found this little movie called It's a Wonderful Life and they're like, oh,

1488
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,440
we can like fill that for the next two plus hours and like all of these.

1489
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,440
We're a marathon.

1490
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,400
A lot of stations were doing like a It's a Wonderful Life all day.

1491
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,680
Yeah, because it costs nothing to do it.

1492
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,000
And because of that, it just entered the zeitgeist of like, it's a Wonderful Life is now

1493
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,360
associated with being a Christmas in a holiday movie.

1494
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,440
Yeah, it came out in 1946.

1495
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,520
The patent expired in 1974.

1496
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,520
Yep.

1497
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,160
So very recent history.

1498
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,760
And also it is one of those things that has grown with me of like, you want the moon?

1499
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:15,760
I'll give you the moon.

1500
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:16,760
It's a fun.

1501
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,080
Also, just straight up romance movie, although he turns into like being a jerk at some point.

1502
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,400
Have you seen It's a Wonderful Life?

1503
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Did I feel like I forced you to watch it at some point?

1504
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,400
We've watched a few times.

1505
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,800
I remember we watched the colorize version of it and that was weird.

1506
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,000
I've done that once and then again.

1507
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,160
What is your number two?

1508
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,600
My number two is kind of a two for but they're both kind of the same movie.

1509
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,360
It is home alone and home alone too.

1510
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:44,280
Ah, I didn't put home alone on the list and I was like heartbroken about it.

1511
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:45,280
This is another one of those.

1512
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:46,280
That's a two for.

1513
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,560
Yeah, that connects me back to my childhood and I remember my dad saying that while I was

1514
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:58,720
watching home alone, never have I ever laughed so hard as a child and as an adult at a

1515
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,080
movie.

1516
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,800
As soon as the like traps are set, I'm good to go.

1517
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,040
It's so good.

1518
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,920
That is the first movie I ever watched with Bing when I got him.

1519
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,920
Oh, fun.

1520
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,680
You see it with like that's our Christmas.

1521
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,880
You're my boy and I'll never leave you home alone.

1522
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,000
Bing is my dog.

1523
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,520
So I did say that Jim Carrey's Grinch was my second but I also said "Campus" and then I

1524
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,640
wrote "Don't make me decide I can't make it."

1525
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,360
I debated putting Cranpas on the list.

1526
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,360
It's so good.

1527
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,120
I will say even though it's not in the top three, it's definitely in the top ten.

1528
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,120
We saw that movie.

1529
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,080
I think it was far past Christmas.

1530
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,120
I saw it in the sticky floor theater in the middle.

1531
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,120
Yes.

1532
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:48,080
So there is a cheap theater where usually where movies that are past its theatrical run.

1533
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,240
Is it still there?

1534
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,480
I have not checked.

1535
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:53,680
I was going to say that might have been one that went by the way side of the pandemic.

1536
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,680
Yeah.

1537
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,640
So we had seen this movie just on a whim.

1538
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,840
We were just like "Campus, horror, Christmas movie."

1539
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:05,040
It was just something to do and then we walked out of the movie and we looked at each other

1540
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,200
and we were like "Was that a good movie?"

1541
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:12,920
It was a great movie and it is a horror movie technically.

1542
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,640
But our old roommate who is not a horror movie person loves it.

1543
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,200
In fact this year was like that's how I start my Christmas season.

1544
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,200
I was like "Okay."

1545
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,200
In terror.

1546
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,200
In terror.

1547
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,400
It is very well written.

1548
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,120
The visual effects, like the more I learn about visual effects, the more into this movie

1549
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,440
I am.

1550
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:36,640
And I got to say it has one of the best openings of a movie ever.

1551
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,640
Not even Christmas.

1552
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:38,640
Not even a lot of the time.

1553
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,520
Yeah it is a shame that that movie is not more well known but it is one of the best Christmas

1554
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:45,520
movies ever made.

1555
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,880
And it is not as scary as some people may think.

1556
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,880
Yeah.

1557
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:50,880
Number one.

1558
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,880
What is your number one?

1559
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,240
I told you there was a movie you couldn't put on this list.

1560
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,240
Yes.

1561
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,280
But I feel like you are going to be equally upset.

1562
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:58,280
Oh.

1563
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,280
What is that?

1564
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,280
I don't know what it is.

1565
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,280
What is that grin?

1566
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,280
It is terrifying.

1567
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,280
My favorite Christmas movie of all time.

1568
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,280
A Muffet Christmas girl.

1569
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,680
No, although another one, top ten.

1570
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,160
I only did three for time's sake and no one wants us to recap all of these but there are

1571
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,160
many other really good ones.

1572
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,680
Again, you will be upset with me.

1573
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,080
Batman returns.

1574
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,880
I don't know that I am upset with you.

1575
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:22,880
Have I seen it?

1576
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,040
Is it with the penguins?

1577
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,040
Yeah.

1578
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,040
Okay.

1579
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,040
I am a shelf-lifer.

1580
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,360
Oh, then I guess I have totally seen it.

1581
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,520
I was young when they came out.

1582
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,120
So I get them confused because we weren't a big movie family.

1583
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,880
I didn't see these until I was older and now outside of the Mr. Freeze one, they all blur

1584
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:39,880
together.

1585
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,840
Aren't there big Christmas ornaments in the movie?

1586
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,160
It takes place during Christmas.

1587
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,240
I'm choosing my words very carefully.

1588
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,520
The penguins there for the Christmas tree lighting.

1589
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:50,520
Right.

1590
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,720
It's not just set in Christmas.

1591
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,720
There is an activity that is Christmas based in the movie.

1592
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:56,720
It is a Christmas movie.

1593
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,520
Oh, but you are still going to get me later.

1594
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,520
I'm not mad at that.

1595
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:01,760
I also wouldn't be mad.

1596
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,440
I know there is a different movie that I told you you couldn't put on your list, which

1597
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,320
will get to in a moment, put your hand down.

1598
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Mine number one is the Santa Claus.

1599
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:09,960
All right.

1600
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,480
I think it is one of my early movie going experiences that I fully remember outside of Jurassic

1601
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:15,320
Park because I should have been terrified.

1602
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,360
I still watch that movie to this day.

1603
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,360
I don't know.

1604
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,480
It makes me feel like a kid again and I like the weenie whistle at the end in the mystery

1605
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:26,720
date game where you get to be an adult and the Christmas magic is still there.

1606
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,280
Also they've made 65 sequels, so the magic lives on.

1607
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,040
I watch everyone of them with the light.

1608
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:38,240
There is so much heart to that movie and they are divorced, so it is not the typical.

1609
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,000
Let's gather around the table and be this picture perfect family Christmas, which I think

1610
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,440
is why I really like it.

1611
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:45,440
Okay.

1612
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:48,680
What is the movie that I told you you couldn't put on your list?

1613
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,720
Die Hard 3 with inventions.

1614
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:51,720
No, no, no.

1615
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:52,720
Oh.

1616
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,880
It is just die hard.

1617
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,320
First die hard movie.

1618
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,320
Okay.

1619
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,320
And this has been the ongoing debate.

1620
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,320
I know Bruce Willis.

1621
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,640
This is Christmas tradition that you're witnessing came out that said it's not a Christmas movie.

1622
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,480
It's Bruce Willis.

1623
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:07,480
Yeah.

1624
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:08,480
Oh.

1625
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:09,480
That's one of them.

1626
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:10,480
Okay.

1627
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:15,440
This is a feel like a tradition that we have done every year where we argue about whether

1628
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,000
is a Christmas movie or not and every year with the argument just somehow fizzles.

1629
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,360
It's not a Christmas movie.

1630
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,360
Okay.

1631
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,200
Granted I haven't seen it in a very long time.

1632
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,200
Go on.

1633
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,720
Why is it not a Christmas movie?

1634
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,800
There are rules that someone made that I remember listening to at one point.

1635
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,720
Number one, Bruce Willis to say it's not a Christmas movie.

1636
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:42,720
Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.

1637
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,760
It's a Bruce Willis movie.

1638
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,960
That's like Harrison Ford making up lore for Star Wars.

1639
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,280
But he's not making up lore.

1640
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,160
He's making a statement as someone who worked on the film.

1641
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,160
Okay.

1642
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,160
Two.

1643
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,440
I don't ever remember anything Christmas about this movie.

1644
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:03,000
Someone has told me there's an office holiday party happening.

1645
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,360
Again, let's go back to Batman Returns.

1646
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,480
I've seen it probably around the same time I saw Die Hard.

1647
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:14,800
I have distinct memories of the penguin of Christmas ornaments of this Christmas tree.

1648
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:20,160
So it is a conically thrown in Christmas stuff.

1649
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:26,000
All I remember from Die Hard is Severus Snape and Bruce Willis being inside a heating

1650
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,000
vent.

1651
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,000
Come to the coast.

1652
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,000
We'll have a good time.

1653
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Right.

1654
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,280
You could have thrown a Christmas line in there.

1655
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,360
Are all of the Die Hard to Christmas movie?

1656
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:35,360
No.

1657
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,360
Okay.

1658
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,920
So why is Die Hard to Christmas movie?

1659
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:39,920
Okay.

1660
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,680
Right off the bat, the first song that we hear is a Christmas song.

1661
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:45,680
Which song is it?

1662
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,680
It's by Run DMC.

1663
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:47,680
It is.

1664
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:48,680
Yeah.

1665
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:49,680
But is there a Christmas rap?

1666
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:50,680
Christmas in Hollis.

1667
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:51,680
Is it?

1668
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,680
Yeah, by Run DMC.

1669
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,680
I love that song.

1670
01:14:53,680 --> 01:15:00,320
So that's the first song that we get over the title, not over the title, but when Bruce Willis

1671
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,480
is being limoed into there.

1672
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:03,480
Limoed in.

1673
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:04,480
Yeah, he is in a limo.

1674
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,400
God, I need to re-watch this movie.

1675
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,040
But he also shows that he's like a very humbled person.

1676
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:16,320
He's not used to being in this life of luxury and he actually sits up in the front with

1677
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,720
the limo driver.

1678
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,960
That's amazing.

1679
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,680
He's like, have a good conversation with him.

1680
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,200
The driver says that this is the first time he's ever done this is the first client.

1681
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,920
He's had to work or like drive.

1682
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,080
The driver is Reginald Val Johnson, right?

1683
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,080
I don't remember.

1684
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,080
From Family Maverick?

1685
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,080
No, he is the cop.

1686
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,880
Oh, there it is.

1687
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,680
He just did a thing on Dancing with the Stars.

1688
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,680
That's why.

1689
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:38,680
That's why.

1690
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,160
There's also the part where he kills one of the terrorists.

1691
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:47,840
He takes the gun and on his sweater when he like lowers him down into the like party

1692
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:48,840
area.

1693
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,040
So hello, now a machine gun.

1694
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,040
Wait, he writes that?

1695
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,040
Yeah.

1696
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:58,920
The reason why I think this to be a Christmas movie is because so much about Christmas, the

1697
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:05,320
meaning of Christmas, which is now interpreted in many holiday films is like to be around

1698
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:06,320
family.

1699
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,560
Family, loved ones, all that stuff.

1700
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:17,240
And we know that John McLean has had a troubled relationship with his wife when she works

1701
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,680
for this company.

1702
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,600
She decides to use her maiden last name instead of using his last name.

1703
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,800
They have kids that are involved and he's just wanting to they have kids.

1704
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,240
I don't remember them having kids.

1705
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,720
They have two kids.

1706
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,000
So they have maybe I just need to watch this.

1707
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,880
And he is coming over from New York City to the West Coast, trying to just be with his

1708
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,800
family, trying to be with his, they're in the process of being divorced.

1709
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:45,800
That I remember.

1710
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,200
Yeah, so you have a family who is like kind of similar to the Santa Claus.

1711
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,520
Yeah, they're, they're fractured.

1712
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,880
They're just trying to figure things out.

1713
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,920
And Hans Gruber just gets in the way of that.

1714
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,600
So really it's Hans Gruber's fault.

1715
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:06,160
But in the end, he overcomes those obstacles, overcomes the broken glass, destroys the

1716
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,960
terrorists and is able to be reunited with his wife.

1717
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,120
You have the guy from Family Matters.

1718
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:17,440
Who is also in a rocky relationship.

1719
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:23,480
He is in a position in his job where like he doesn't feel confident anymore.

1720
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:29,960
And through him talking with Bruce Wallace, he is consoled and is told like you can get

1721
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,040
off of that fear at the very end when like the terrorist comes out and he's able to like

1722
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,880
shoot him instead of like making mistakes like he did before.

1723
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,960
He finally makes the right decision and that is a Christmas miracle.

1724
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,860
Okay, that is not a Christmas miracle.

1725
01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:48,960
That I will put my foot down.

1726
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,640
Okay, I see your valid points because there is a holiday setting.

1727
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,880
They say Merry Christmas or happy holidays or whatever, right?

1728
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:56,880
A lot.

1729
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,000
Okay, so those two things are definitely there.

1730
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,160
I guess there's holiday like visuals of like the, I don't remember the holiday party

1731
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,160
enough.

1732
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,320
I mean, that's what gets him there is that they are having a, I thought he wanted to

1733
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,320
talk to his wife.

1734
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,000
I didn't think he was there for the party.

1735
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:18,360
No, he was ushered into the party from the company, but sorry, I forget her name, but like,

1736
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,360
the wife.

1737
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,320
Yeah, but she wanted him to be there and they like pulled out all the stops to be like,

1738
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,080
yeah, we're going to make sure that he gets here.

1739
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,880
Oh, it's Bonnie Badella.

1740
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:27,880
She plays Holly.

1741
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,120
Oh, festive.

1742
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,960
Now, I'm surprised that you didn't put this in part of one of your arguments and I'm

1743
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,520
going to, I guess, support your claim because do you know when the movie was released?

1744
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:39,520
No, but it doesn't.

1745
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,520
It does it.

1746
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:41,520
It does it.

1747
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,520
Mm-hmm.

1748
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:43,520
July.

1749
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,520
Oh, it's a summer blockbuster.

1750
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:45,520
Yeah, there it is.

1751
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,520
Oh, my God.

1752
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,320
No, my whole thing while I love to tell you it's not a Christmas movie.

1753
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,920
Again, if it brings people joy and makes them feel something around the holidays, by

1754
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,600
all means, like you can watch whatever you want.

1755
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,400
It is, you know, like you said, the feeling of family and like that kind of thing, it

1756
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:07,320
does not evoke nor has it once ever for me evoked any sort of holiday spirit.

1757
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,960
Like, if someone's like, what's the theme of die hard?

1758
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,960
It's not Christmas.

1759
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,560
I mean, Christmas is kind of a hard theme to be a theme.

1760
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,920
Okay, what's the theme of the Grinch finding the magic of Christmas?

1761
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,600
What is the theme of Santa Claus?

1762
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:19,600
Job security?

1763
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,600
Yes.

1764
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:25,680
Even Krampus, you can feel like, oh, like that is the family sort of theming behind it.

1765
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,200
It is the wanting to be with family.

1766
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,160
It is the magic of Christmas.

1767
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,840
There's no magic in die hard.

1768
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:39,520
It is, I mean, it is kind of a miracle that he is able to survive so many injuries.

1769
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,520
But that's like an everyday miracle.

1770
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,480
That's not a Christmas miracle, you know what I'm saying?

1771
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:48,920
See, like if the movie would have ended and you would have, like, like, acknowledged Santa

1772
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,000
Claus, I think I would have bought it.

1773
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,400
I needed some sort of magic.

1774
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:58,600
You bring up a good point because with Hallmark Christmas movies, one of the elements in

1775
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,160
there needs to be some sort of magic.

1776
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,720
Yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing about this season, right?

1777
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,200
Even with Hanukkah, it's the eight days, the oil stayed lit, right?

1778
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,120
For eight days, which is why you light the candle every night.

1779
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,600
There is an inherent magic in that.

1780
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,240
Light represents like hope.

1781
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,400
Christmas, Kwanza, Duwale, Hanukkah.

1782
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:20,400
Paganism.

1783
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,400
You will, right?

1784
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,360
You'll as the pagan three birth of the sun.

1785
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,360
Yeah, like there is a hope and light.

1786
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,640
I don't know, it's just magical and I can find that in almost all Christmas movies or all

1787
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,640
holiday movies.

1788
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,200
I can't find that in die hard.

1789
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:39,280
At the very end, because of the ash, it kind of looks like it's snowing.

1790
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,400
How is that hope and light?

1791
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,400
The terrorists are gone.

1792
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:43,920
We can go about living our lives.

1793
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,440
The top of the building when it explodes looked like a candle.

1794
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:52,200
Well, it was John and Holly, like, finally reuniting and Holly, like, really seen value

1795
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,080
in John after being so disgusted by him for so long.

1796
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,960
You could say the same thing about Santa Claus.

1797
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,600
This is my favorite debate every year that we've wind up like having.

1798
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,560
And somehow it's slightly different every year.

1799
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,080
We will stay on our own sides.

1800
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,080
We agree to disagree.

1801
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,800
No, we don't.

1802
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,200
If we did, we wouldn't keep arguing.

1803
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,640
I'm trying to find the magic of Christmas within this debate.

1804
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:26,360
And it is that we watch movies, we eat food, we drink a little bit, we all agree to disagree.

1805
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:27,360
A little bit.

1806
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,360
Quiet.

1807
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,200
As is the holiday spirit.

1808
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,000
As per tradition.

1809
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,600
I am going to rewatch it though.

1810
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,600
Good.

1811
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,240
Maybe my argument will change next year.

1812
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,880
Stay tuned.

1813
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,000
[Applause]

1814
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,840
[Water running]

1815
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:53,360
So this is our holiday special where we have cried about holiday haunt not happening and

1816
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,440
understanding the state of the industry and why things happened the way that they sort

1817
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:58,440
of happened.

1818
01:21:58,440 --> 01:21:59,440
Point is, go see a movie.

1819
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:02,640
Is there ever in a movie that you saw lately in theaters?

1820
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,240
I mean, it's "Size Wicked."

1821
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,240
Have you seen one?

1822
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:07,840
I recently saw a glad eater too.

1823
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:08,840
Oh, cool.

1824
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:09,840
How was it?

1825
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:10,840
Because I haven't seen it yet.

1826
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:16,760
I found it interesting, fascinating, intriguing, partly because we did an episode on the

1827
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:24,440
Unmade Gladiator 2 and I knew so many of the pitfalls that the sequel and/or prequel kept falling

1828
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:31,120
into the way that they introduced the story and actually set it up to be more glad eater fights.

1829
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,480
I thought was very clever.

1830
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,640
I don't know what it is with Ripley Scott lately where he's looking at history books and

1831
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,160
he's like, "Yeah, fuck that."

1832
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,160
Not too many.

1833
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,440
Yeah, but like gladiators and sharks.

1834
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,160
I know not historically accurate.

1835
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:46,160
I'm here all day for it.

1836
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,160
It's so much fun.

1837
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,160
Yeah, I'm not here.

1838
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,160
Oh, granted.

1839
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:53,160
I don't know that I've ever seen the first gladiator, which is, I've had time.

1840
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,720
You don't want to put your hand through a field of wheat?

1841
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,720
Field of dreams?

1842
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,720
Wheat.

1843
01:22:58,720 --> 01:22:59,720
I love that interview.

1844
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,400
Someone asked him why there were sharks and he's like, "Because they were there."

1845
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,720
And I was like, "That is."

1846
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:04,720
That is not true.

1847
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,000
It wasn't that sharks were there.

1848
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,400
It was like, "Well, the ocean's there."

1849
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,880
And I was like, "That technically correct."

1850
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:10,880
I haven't seen it.

1851
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,480
I'm actually really excited for it.

1852
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,800
I could talk about Wicked all day long.

1853
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,440
I'm going to see that like six more times.

1854
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:21,120
I really do as someone who has read the book and seen the Broadway show multiple times.

1855
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,000
It is one of the best adaptations.

1856
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,640
I think it's the best musical movie adaptation.

1857
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,960
I think it is, I know.

1858
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:28,960
Big claim.

1859
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,680
Chicago is really good and I also love Chicago.

1860
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,840
But there is something about this movie that I went in with low expectations and I ugly

1861
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,040
cried through most of it because I was just like, "Oh, this is everything I wanted it

1862
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,040
to be."

1863
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,040
So we're going to wrap things up.

1864
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,040
Go see a movie.

1865
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,760
Is there anything you want to plug before I go into our...

1866
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,120
No, we should just do a happy holidays to the camera.

1867
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,120
Cuck a cat.

1868
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,360
Go see a movie.

1869
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,520
Go see a movie.

1870
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,120
And we appreciate you.

1871
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,240
I keep thinking that this is like our last one for the year, but technically we'll have

1872
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:00,240
one more.

1873
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,480
Stay tuned for our next episode, but have a safe and happy holiday.

1874
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:05,880
Mary Halloween.

1875
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:06,880
Happy Honda Days.

1876
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,880
I celebrate Toyota Thon.

1877
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:08,880
Okay.

1878
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,880
Honda Days.

1879
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:10,880
Yeah.

1880
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:17,880
If you want to check out more of what we have, we have our Patreon, that is patreon.com/howdidthisnotgetmadepodcast.

1881
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,960
You get to see the full video recording of our sessions.

1882
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,720
You'll get to get some bonus content, especially with us watching movies.

1883
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,880
So we're going to start and set up those watch parties eventually.

1884
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,200
Also this episode will be trimmed down.

1885
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,200
Significantly.

1886
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,160
And you can see the unedited, mostly unedited version.

1887
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,160
Mostly unedited.

1888
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:40,160
Mostly.

1889
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:45,240
There are times where I get up and just like turn the camera off and on, but he just leaves.

1890
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,240
Yeah.

1891
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,480
I just go home, take a lunch break, come back.

1892
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,240
I mean, it's real convenient.

1893
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:51,240
Yeah.

1894
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,240
So you can check out out on our Patreon.

1895
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,240
We have just one tier.

1896
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,560
That is our $5 tier with that.

1897
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,160
You also get ad free episodes.

1898
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,840
So all those ads that you're listening to during this episode, imagine listening to those

1899
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,960
episodes again, but without ads.

1900
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,000
And that's what you get on our Patreon.

1901
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,800
If you cannot support us financially on our site, we totally get it.

1902
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:10,800
Times are hard.

1903
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:11,800
Yeah.

1904
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:12,800
It's the holiday season.

1905
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,440
You'd rather spend that money on gifts.

1906
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:15,440
I get it.

1907
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:16,640
I would do the same thing.

1908
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:17,880
There are other ways that you can support us.

1909
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,560
You can follow us on our social media.

1910
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:24,080
We are at how did this not get made on our Instagram and TikTok.

1911
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,080
The talk.

1912
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,080
Yep.

1913
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:30,360
We are no longer on the platform, formerly known as Twitter.

1914
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,760
We have since moved that over to blue sky.

1915
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:39,760
It's under the same handle at HDT NGM where we're basically going to be operating

1916
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,960
in the same way that we did on Twitter, but just on blue sky.

1917
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,420
And then if you have any suggestions, the number one way to do it now, I can actually say

1918
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:50,520
this is on our Patreon.

1919
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,920
You can actually put in a suggestion there and we will vote on it for the season finale.

1920
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,000
But if you just want to generally give us a suggestion, you can send us an email.

1921
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,440
That is at not get made at gmail.com.

1922
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:04,920
That'll do it for our episode.

1923
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,440
Go and find David Zazloff until he...

1924
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:08,440
No, don't!

1925
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:12,400
Oh, it was such a...

1926
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,280
Even keeled episode.

1927
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,680
So that'll do it for our episode.

1928
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,160
Go see a movie.

1929
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,160
Go see a movie.

1930
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,080
Convention Family to see a movie.

1931
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:24,480
Save your family.

1932
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,440
Go see a movie.

1933
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:28,600
And happy Honda days.

1934
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,360
Happy Toyota Thun.

1935
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:32,440
Christmas Alicia!

1936
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:33,640
[Pierre gasp]