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Hello and welcome to Development Purgatory.

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This is the podcast all about the movies that were never made, the scripts that were never

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written, and the ideas that never even made it to the page.

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My name is Daniel Kawka and I'm Lexcee Riley.

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We are here to talk about toys.

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This season is very toy and stop motion.

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We're here to talk about stop motion.

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Yeah.

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We're here to talk about both.

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Little Kid Dan is like, this is my dream.

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Has happy as moment.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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See, the Venn diagram of like, do one for me, do one for the audience is now a full circle.

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Dear God.

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Circle.

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Now, before we get started, I wanted to ask you.

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No.

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Did you play with Legos as a kid?

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Did you have a Legos set?

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I don't know that I would like consider it as a child.

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I feel like when we grew up, it was like, girls got duplow box and barbies and like, I

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don't know, there weren't like a lot of--

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Did you get a polypocket?

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I did have a polypocket.

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I had a muddy max.

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The fuck is that?

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The boy polypocket.

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Oh.

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See?

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I liked building stuff, but I remember being like, oh, there's not a Lego set that I'm like

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thrilled to build.

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Like they were very car-based and now they have like princess castles and not that like,

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girls have to play with princess castles and boys have to play with cars.

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I just happened to be that girl as a child.

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I think when we were roommates, it's probably the most Legos I built because friends.

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We put together the friend's central perk set.

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I like a Lego.

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I just wanted ones that fit my personality.

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I recently put together the shire.

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Nice.

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Yeah, that was expensive.

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Uh-huh.

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Must be the other thing.

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They're incredibly expensive.

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They're so expensive.

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And then the thing that I remember about the friend's set was that we loved putting it

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together.

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We had a great time, but then it was kind of massive and like, where do you put that?

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Like once it's done.

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I don't know that we were like, hey, look at all our Legos.

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So it was just like, oh, here it is.

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So because we're not like, or at least I'm not like a massive Lego person.

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I don't know what to do with it when I'm done building it.

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I put the shire on its own shelf.

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Well, a dead long story longer.

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No, I did not play with a ton of Lego's as a kid.

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I remember when I was a kid, we got a lot of Lego sex.

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We also got a lot of connects as well.

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Now, there's a memory.

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I remember 1999 because this is when the Phantom Menace came out.

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I had gotten a pot racer.

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Didn't see that until I was like 20.

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Lego pot racer.

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It was so cool.

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So whenever I think of the Phantom Menace, like that is where my memory goes is how awesome

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that Lego set was.

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There were really fun Lego sets.

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I think I'm more into it now than I ever was as a kid.

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That was a nice trip down memory lane.

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And now to go down the lane of these advertisements.

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And we're back.

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Hopefully all those ads were built carefully.

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So what we're going to be doing instantly feels like a test.

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Is it?

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Really?

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Did I study?

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You did.

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In a way.

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I did do my homework.

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We are continuing our journey in stop motion animation to talk about Lego animation aka brick

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film.

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Oh, that's okay.

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It was coined by Jason Ruholt.

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He was a founder of brickfilms.com, which highly recommend it's a lot of like amateur animators

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putting together like short films using Legos.

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It's pretty fun.

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I think it's fun to watch and I think it's very accessible for younger kids.

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Oh, yeah, especially now.

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Especially now.

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The first known brick film that was released in the early 60s was an Lego advertisement

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in Germany, the ad premiered in German cinemas beyond that.

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There's really not much known about the ad.

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At the beginning of the ad it reads production central or central or spa or something.

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It's really hard to read.

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It's really, today you can actually see it featured at the history collection of Lego house in

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Bulland, Denmark.

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The video is also made available on YouTube if you want to check that out.

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You saw the first advertisement.

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I did.

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So since this is an advertisement they wanted to show that they wanted to show like how things

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So like everything is kind of put together brick by brick and you see things like grow.

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Like you see a boat being built and then it starts to like sail away kind of this idea of like

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you're building it and then after you build it your imagination takes over.

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In this one, the thing that I noticed was that it is predating a lot of the things that

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Like the cars don't look like the cars that we have because you actually have to build

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every little component.

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There's not all the little helper pieces that we have now.

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That was what caught my eye.

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I was like, whoa, you have to be even more creative with this.

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And it was a lot of like basic shapes and pieces that you would put together.

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Everything very square.

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And then you'd like kind of make a giraffe out of it.

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Now the first known amateur brick film that was created by Larcy Hessehn and Henry Kassehn.

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They were both 12 and 10 years old.

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Whoa, what?

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The Danish cousins created a six minute short called it journey to the moon.

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It depicts the Apollo 17 mission to the moon and they created it for their grandparents

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Golden Anniversary in 1973 and they used a super eight film camera.

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It's so good.

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When the rocket is landing I guess, they had to use like a firecracker or something and

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I was like, oh, this is a cute little stop motion thing.

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Like obviously super eight very dated at this point.

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And then the like little firework insert went off and I was like, ah, the way that they

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did it knowing that it stopped motion just real impressive.

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Yeah, like I really wound it and was like, I know that this isn't the Lego component of

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the video, but you're also dealing with like plastic.

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I don't I thought that was cool.

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It doesn't have to be like everything is Lego.

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It's like they're just using their toys to make a stop motion video.

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But it told the story really, really well.

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So since then other independent brick films have been made.

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Number one that has stood out is called the magic portal.

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It was released in 1989.

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This is a 16 minute short that was filmed by an Australian filmmaker.

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His name is Lindsay Flay.

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The film follows an astronaut on a spaceship who finds and enters a magic portal.

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On the other side, he encounters strange slug like creatures who help him evade a two headed

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beast which was made out of an excavator model.

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The film later breaks the fourth wall when a number of characters escape from the table,

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the film is being shot on and they use a shoot to drive around and continue to escape from

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the monster and eventually crashing back into the set where we see Lindsay himself having

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to clean up the mess that they made.

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The film was shot from 1985 to 1989 using a Bullex 16 millimeter camera.

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And it was given financial help of $11,000 from the Australian Film Commission.

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That is nightmare fuel by the way.

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I know that that was probably the original intention, but it loops.

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That's boiler room.

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But then I also see the influence it has on the Lego movie.

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It's genuinely impressive.

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And when it comes to the facial features of--

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You can tell he had to erase the face on there and he used either a sharpie or a dry

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erase marker.

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We paint it back on every time.

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Yep, just to make that part work.

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And the tiny little sand effects.

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But yeah, it was a lot of fun to go through and it was very innovative.

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Like I said, like them just getting into the shoe and driving around like that.

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And you can see how long it is taking for him to film it because as the shoe is like going

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across the yard, you can see the sun setting and like the shadows are just getting longer

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and longer and longer.

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It's a really long journey because a long time for Lego is to--

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Yeah, but it goes to show you like even for like that short sequence.

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Like it's giving you an idea of like how long it is taking for him to actually have to

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sit there and go through it and move everything like little by little by little.

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Yeah, that's where I want the time lapse of like just the BTS of him by himself being

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bugs bunny.

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But it is really neat that we get to see him as well like it crashes and he's like, "Oh,

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I filmed."

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It's really funny.

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At the end he dumps them out of the shoe and then it sort of goes back to the beginning and

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that's when I was like, "Whoa."

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And that's probably how you feel like when you're doing this is like it's never going

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to end.

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You're just on this perpetual loop.

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So after finishing, Flee sent the film to Lego who appreciated the film and thanked him

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with a cease and desist letter.

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No way!

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For five years of your hard work to be like, right?

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Share this with no one.

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Flee sent them proof that he had gotten permission from Lego Australia before production

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began.

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Take that.

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But that was ignored.

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They were plans to submit it into multiple film festivals around the world.

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But the legal actions caused the film to miss multiple deadlines to submit eventually

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Lego dropped the charges and the film was made available to be seen.

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The film was so great and well known that it's been known as like the first brick film

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ever made.

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No one has ever seen anything like this.

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And because of its widespread popularity, they're like, "Oh, you can actually do something

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with these Legos in film."

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What did Lego itself start as a company?

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I debated if I wanted to go down this history not just because I feel like that wasn't truly

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necessary to the-

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I don't think they history it, but I'm just curious about how long it took for someone

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to go, "Hey, I can make a movie out of this."

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So it started in 1932.

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It went through a lot of different evolutions because it first started as wooden blocks.

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Eventually evolved from there.

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I think it was like the creative or like the wood shops sun, they got like a plastic mold

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injection thing and then like-

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That'll speed up the production a little.

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Rather than having to whittle each wooden piece.

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I like, briefly went through the history, kind of going back and forth.

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I was like, "Do I want to talk about it?

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It's got to be a dense history."

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Yeah, for the story of what I'm telling, I don't think it's fully necessary to understand

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where Lego itself came from.

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But knowing that it started off as wooden blocks and eventually turned into what it is.

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And also it took roughly 50 years for a film to be made from it.

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The film became widely popular and would be the top example of what a quality brick film

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should look like.

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In the Lego movie actually pays homage in the film because the tube that Emmett goes through

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to go from the real world into the Lego world, that is actually called the magic portal.

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It is, yeah.

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So fast forward to 2001.

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That's amazing.

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With a film called Jack Stone.

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Oh my god.

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Can do will do.

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Can do will do done.

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I'm going to have that in my nightmares for the next couple weeks.

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That is a 20 minute Lego produce short film done entirely in CGI with the help of Art

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World UK to animate it.

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The film was distributed on videotapes for free to subscribers of Lego Club magazine.

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The story is framed around a news report all about the heroic actions of Jack Stone.

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He uses his ability to build new machines out of Lego pieces to help rescue people in danger

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and stop criminals.

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Although the early CGI animation is rough, it did kind of set a president for what CGI Lego

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films would look like moving forward.

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Toy films like the Barbie Lego overlap of things is strong.

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Now a lot of us may not be familiar with Jack Stone, but some of us may associate the CGI

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animation with Lego Star Wars or like the Lego Star Wars series.

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There's like a bunch of shorts that were made Lego Star Wars.

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And you may notice that they will bend and stretch and act like they were made out of rubber

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or elastic.

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Right.

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I guess if you think about the equivalent of like action figures as a reflection to the

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real person, a real person doesn't move as stiffly as a toy.

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We can forgive this on the fact that CGI animation technology is still like a new technology.

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But the fact that like this is the first to like go forward from there.

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So that is why I had you watch it.

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Not to have nightmare feel.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Can do will do.

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It's a rough one to get through.

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And I think I told you like you don't have to watch it at regular speed.

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You can kind of speed up through there.

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I watched it.

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I couldn't remember which one you had given me permission to do that.

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I was like, I'm just going to commit to the bit the longest one.

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Can do will do.

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Can do will do.

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But there is something about that film that I do want you to keep.

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A nugget.

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Yeah.

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One, it started off like this kind of animation style.

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But then the idea is that with Lego using your imagination to then take other pieces, build

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something new to like innovate or like this idea that this video is kind of there to

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like jumpstart the imaginations of children to be like, right?

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You can create something new.

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The city is flooded.

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It's on fire.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let's just put the building in a big body of water.

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Right.

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The entire city will flood.

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Yep.

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Back from the ads.

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So we're going to switch gears to talk about Warner Brothers.

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In the mid 2000s, WB shut down the Warner Brothers feature animation department after a string

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of animated movies did poorly in the box office with the nail in the coffin and being Looney

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Toon's back in action.

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Hey.

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Which came out in 2003.

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It's starring Brandon Frazier and Jenna Alphan.

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Brandon Frazier just doing his best.

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Jenna Alphan of Darmun Greg.

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Mm-hmm.

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290s icons.

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Yeah.

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In a 2000s film.

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Oh, there it is.

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Yeah.

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I was like, how did we go wrong?

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They weren't in the 90s anymore.

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Right.

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We waited a decade.

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Any animation at the studio was created for a TV or drug to video markets.

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The next time that WB dipped their toe into feature animation was with Happy Feet in 2006.

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Do you remember who directed Happy Feet?

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No.

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I don't know that I even have ever seen.

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Oh, you haven't seen Happy Feet?

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We were a little old for this one.

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Yeah, I think we were.

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It was a little past our time.

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Yeah.

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I was old enough to not watch it on my own.

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I was young enough to not be watching children yet.

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Oh, I always clock it in my brain.

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The director of Happy Feet is just because it's George Miller.

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Whoa!

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The same director of Mad Max.

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Of Mad Max.

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Mad Max got range.

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I know.

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Yeah, to think like that's George Miller.

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You know, the guy who did babe.

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Like Pig in the City?

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Uh-huh.

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That's George Miller too.

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I've got to rethink my entire life.

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Uh-huh.

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I'm not saying paying when, because babe was for our generation.

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Uh-huh.

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La, la, la.

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Same guy who did Mad Max Fury Road.

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In the George Miller cinematic universe.

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He almost did a Justice League movie too, which you can check out that episode in our backlog.

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So I love that fact.

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That's him.

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Yeah, my brain's going to be off in George Miller in a while.

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I'm going to do that.

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Yeah.

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So Happy Feet.

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Just merely distributed that film, the studio that was behind it, that was Animal Logic.

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They were the ones who actually animated it.

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Why do I know Animal Logic?

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Let's see.

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They did it DC League of Superpets, Peter Rad.

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There it is.

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DC Superpets.

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Oh, they helped out on Captain Marvel.

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What?

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They did stuff for Alien Covenant.

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They did a lot of stuff for like Superpets.

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So they're like an VFX company too.

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VFX, yeah.

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Great Gatsby 300, Happy Feet.

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Very specific.

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Ooh.

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They did stuff for the Matrix and Mulan Rouge.

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Very specific look.

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Yeah.

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Like highly saturated look.

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In 2008, development for the Lego movie had begun with Dan Lynn and Roy Lee.

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Lego had already expanded into the video medium, the first being Jack Stone, which we just

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watched.

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Can do will do.

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They did make a series of direct to video features with Bionicle.

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Oh, I remember Bionicle.

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Yeah.

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They're short using the Star Wars in Indiana Jones IP.

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They also licensed their brand to multiple video games.

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In fact, the video games studio, which is Traveler's Tale, is the company behind most Lego

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based video games.

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Now you're talking.

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They were then acquired by Warner Brothers in 2007.

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And after proving how lucrative the Lego brand was, outside of the toys, Greenlighting

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a Lego movie was pretty much a guaranteed yes.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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In 2011, Dan Lynn worked with Kevin Hagueman to help write the story.

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Warner Brothers also hired Phil Lorde and Christopher Miller to write and direct the film.

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Do you know who Lorde and Miller are?

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Again, they sound familiar.

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Okay.

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The two had established themselves after their show Clone High and Cloudy with a chance of

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the Michaels.

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The Flimm Miller!

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Oh, I love Cloudy with a chance of me, Paul.

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Spray on shoes!

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They would later go on to make the 21 Jump Street reboot movies.

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What the fork?

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The Mitchell's and the Machines, Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse, and most recently Project

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Hill Mary.

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Oh, I really should have known those names.

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Yep.

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Hold up.

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The Cloudy with a chance of me, Paul.

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This is our D.

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Like one, I loved that book as a kid.

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Honestly, one of the best book to film adaptations I've ever seen.

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The Flimm Miller.

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They did Project Hill Mary?

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Yes, they did.

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It was advertised on the posters from the minds of Cloudy with a chance of me, Paul.

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It's Clone High.

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It's a beautiful space age story.

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I guess they hung out with George Miller at some point.

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We're just like, we just like to pivot.

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Talk about rage.

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Now to help direct the animation, they got Chris McKay, who's probably best known

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for his stop-motion work with Robot Chicken.

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To animate the film, they used the same studio that animated Happy Feet, Animal Logic.

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There we go.

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That's why I brought them up earlier.

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And together, they would create the film Lego, The Piece of Resistance.

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That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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Please, wild style.

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Betany have of this.

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That idea is just the worst.

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That's not the final title.

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No, that was...

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They were like that is too clunky.

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We should really rename that.

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To the Lego movie.

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To the Lego movie.

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I mean, it's a cute title, but yeah, it's a bit of a mouthful.

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I mean, I get why they called it The Piece of Resistance because that...

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Oh, yeah, 100%.

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Like that makes perfect sense.

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I agree.

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I think it's a smart title.

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It's just, how do you market that?

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It's really hard to market.

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But as far as the story goes, it makes more sense than the Lego movie.

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Now, when it came to animating the film, it was important to Lord and Miller that they

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wanted the look of the film to follow the logic of stop-motion animation seen in prior

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brick films.

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When the trailer dropped, there was a massive online confusion of if the film was actually

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stop-motion or computer animated.

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It was indeed mostly CG animated, but the animators at Animal Logic set rules on how the

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characters could move, which was basically it could only move how the actual toy was

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would move.

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The knees and the elbows don't bend, and they don't bend or stretch like we've seen in

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other previous Lego CG animation.

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They would make an exception by extending or exaggerating bending at the joints, so like

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at the shoulders or the neck to help convey emotions.

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Right.

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Like his head spins quickly or like...

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Or like if they need to like look up, they will just like kind of cheat it so that the

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head will kind of like come up just a little more.

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Hmm.

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I need to re-watch that movie.

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It was a fun time.

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All the elements needed to be made out of Lego pieces like fire, water, smoke, explosions,

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clouds, and even the mud on the camera lens.

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Yeah.

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That's cool.

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The idea is that you could pause the movie at any time, and in theory you could recreate

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that frame all at home.

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Oh, they're geniuses.

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To accurately build the sets, the animator is an artist use the Lego digital designer,

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which is actually a program that is free to use to anyone so that you can digitally

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make anything using every Lego piece that ever existed.

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A lot of the times the set pieces were built in real life as a prototype before they were

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approved and put into the film.

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It's actually really cool to like watch the behind the scenes because you have a lot of

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the animators and filmmakers who are like sitting at a table, which is like a bunch of

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Legos and there is like actually physically building things together before they're like,

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"Okay, this looks really cool.

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Let's put it into the movie."

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That's the creative job I want.

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It's fun.

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That's how all development should be.

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It should be, but yeah.

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And if you look closely at the bricks in the film, you may notice that there is noticeable

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wear and tear and even fingerprints of it being handled.

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You can actually see on Benny's helmet that it's like cracked.

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I actually have some pictures right here.

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And I will tell you that Benny was actually modeled after Chris Miller's Space Man toy

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that he's had since he was a kid.

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That's really cute.

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So you can see...

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I remember the fingerprint.

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I don't remember.

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Oh, there is the crack.

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I think we saw this in theaters with the tall man.

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And I just remember being like, it was really well done because of the fingerprints and stuff.

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Yeah.

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I mentioned before that the film was mostly in CGI.

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The only part that was practically animated was the three minute end credits, which was

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done by stupid studios.

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Come again?

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Stupid studios.

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STU.

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STO-O, PID.

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STO-O, D-O's.

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Stupid studios.

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Oh, stupid.

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I'm not a word.

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Which primarily animated for robot chicken.

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Oh.

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Which kind of makes sense now.

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Yeah.

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The sequence took three animators in two months to complete.

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That's really fast.

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Yeah.

512
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,680
In some frames they would have to move up to 150 Lego pieces just for one frame.

513
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,680
That hurts my brain.

514
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,360
It was a smart decision that they made the entire film in CGI.

515
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,360
So in it actually--

516
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,360
Done the math.

517
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,360
So in did the math.

518
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:55,400
I don't know how they fully calculated it, but if you were to practically animate the Lego

519
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,880
movie, they said that it would take over 10 years to do.

520
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,240
It would still not be done.

521
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,640
It would still be in production.

522
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,960
And it would be over 15 million Lego pieces.

523
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,960
Yeah.

524
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,960
That sounds about right.

525
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,720
That's honestly shorter than I thought it would be.

526
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,400
All the film was in production in 2013, Jeff Robinoff, who was the head of film at WB

527
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,440
figured that it would be best to bring back WB's animation division and rename it Warner

528
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,200
Animation Group or WAG.

529
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,200
Which--

530
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,200
Oh, WAG.

531
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,960
Whenever you see an animated movie now from Warner Brothers, you'll see the big old WAG.

532
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,960
She'll--

533
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
Yeah.

534
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Before the movie starts, Robinoff basically stole the Pixar model of story development and

535
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,760
applied it to WAG and created a brain trust with other filmmakers.

536
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,400
It was Lord and Miller.

537
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,360
Along with other filmmakers, there was the duo Glenn Ficara and John Reckola.

538
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:51,800
Do you know who that is?

539
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,800
Glenn and John?

540
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,840
Yes, because I know where you're getting that with this one.

541
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,280
They made-- I love you, Philip Morris, Crazy Stupid Love.

542
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,280
And obviously they did the pilot episode of What Show?

543
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,280
This is us.

544
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,280
They did their delight.

545
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,280
They are.

546
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,280
And they did six other episodes of This Is Us.

547
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,280
What's going to say?

548
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,280
I know that they did more than one.

549
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,280
Yep.

550
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,280
They also brought on Nick Stuller.

551
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,120
Do you know who that movie is he directed?

552
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:19,000
Uh, I didn't need to do the Reese Witherspoon, Will Farrell, Ramcom.

553
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
He may.

554
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Couragelline invited.

555
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
Oh, I think he did.

556
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,800
He was supposed to direct the Cool Aid movie on the studio.

557
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,440
Oh, yes, yes.

558
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,240
But he's also done forgetting Sarah Marshall, the five-year engagement, neighbors, Storks

559
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,240
and Bros.

560
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,240
Ranged.

561
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,240
Ranged.

562
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:47,560
The Lego movie was a hit in the box office, making well over $450 million.

563
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,960
This whole paragraph is basically for you to nerd out on budget-wise.

564
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,960
Yeah.

565
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,200
So get ready.

566
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,200
Buckle your seats.

567
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,520
Let me grab my glasses and my pen and paper.

568
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,200
The budget for the Lego movie was around $100 million.

569
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Now that included the advertisement, the production only saw about $60 million of that

570
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,240
hundred.

571
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,720
For an animated film, for what seems like a high status film, the budget actually seems

572
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,520
pretty low, possibly in--

573
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,520
$60 million?

574
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520
I don't know.

575
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,920
That seems pretty accurate to me.

576
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,760
Possibly implying that WB didn't have much faith in the film about Lego.

577
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,120
I don't know that I agree with that.

578
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,920
I feel like $60 million for we're talking about the decade ago.

579
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:30,920
$24,000?

580
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Yep.

581
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080
Okay, here's the real producer, nerd.

582
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,920
If you go back to its release, if you go back to when it was in development, add like a couple

583
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840
more years, we're talking roughly 15 years ago.

584
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,600
$60 million for a movie was a lot.

585
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,240
Now, to put into context, here are some other animated movies from 2014.

586
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,240
Yay.

587
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Yeah.

588
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Big hero six had a budget of $165 million.

589
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,480
Different studio?

590
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,400
In the box office, they made just over $650 million.

591
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,400
How to train your dragon?

592
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,400
Two.

593
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,480
$4,000,000,000,000,000, and in the box office made over $620 million.

594
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Are all of these figures with marketing attached?

595
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000
I am not sure.

596
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Because you said it's $100 million for Lego with marketing attached.

597
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240
If marketing is attached, those other films, it's not as big as of a disparities, we think it

598
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,240
is.

599
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Yeah.

600
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,240
I'm a nerd.

601
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Yep.

602
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,440
Mr. P. Body, in Sherman movie, that budget was $145 million, with a box office of $275 million.

603
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,280
I don't remember that movie at all.

604
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,280
Mm-hmm.

605
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,120
There was the penguins of Metagascar.

606
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,120
Yeah.

607
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:39,000
That was $132 million, and made just over $370 million in the box office.

608
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
There's Rio 2.

609
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:47,200
We don't know exactly, but it was either like $100, $230 million, budget, box office was just

610
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,200
under $500 million.

611
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,320
Box trolls, and the book of life actually had a similar budget to the Lego movie.

612
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,820
But their box office for box trolls, they made $108 million while book of life made only $100

613
00:28:00,820 --> 00:28:01,820
million.

614
00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:07,080
So from that budget, compared to the Lego movie, making $450, just incredibly.

615
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
That was the box office was $450?

616
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Yes.

617
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,160
Because the budget was $60 million.

618
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Now there was a movie that was below all of those, only costing $30 million, and that was

619
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,520
the nut job.

620
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,280
But that one made $120 million in the box office.

621
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:30,320
B, I'm going through numbers in my head and being the visual effects nerd that I am, I

622
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,120
can't decide if it would cost more money for the specific stop motion, but I'm wondering

623
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,880
like you can do more with the Lego movie because you really are regenerating the same shapes

624
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,160
over and over again.

625
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,280
And so basically you're just putting a different skin on all of these characters.

626
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,760
So I actually think this shouldn't have the same budget as the dragon movie that's

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,760
that.

628
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,760
How to train your dragon too?

629
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,640
Dragon too needs that because you're not duplicating anything.

630
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Even the dragons all look completely different.

631
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,800
It's a savvy producer to go, okay, we're just re-duplicating shapes and re-skating them over

632
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,800
and over again.

633
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Yeah.

634
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,560
And they're using a program that is free.

635
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,520
They didn't have to like invent anything.

636
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,520
Right.

637
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,520
You don't have to sit and develop.

638
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,280
I mean, they're obviously as a development process, but it's not the same development of being

639
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,080
like, hey, should this dragon have what of the 75 scale options?

640
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,320
A Lego head is a Lego head.

641
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Yep, although you could go into the minute details of just like, does he have a scratch?

642
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Is there a fingerprint or something like that, but that yeah.

643
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Yeah, that's true.

644
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,560
I wonder, I'm such a dork.

645
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,880
I'm like, I bet that they created like scuffs and fingerprints and then could layer those

646
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,880
in.

647
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Oh, I'm sure.

648
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Oh, fascinating.

649
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,880
Yep.

650
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,960
The Lego movie paved the way to what would seem like a successful franchise.

651
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,960
Obviously, a sequel to the Lego movie had been greenlit, but the Lego movie franchise

652
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,520
would continue with what has to be one of my favorite superhero movies, the Lego Batman

653
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,520
movie.

654
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,120
You think you're my greatest enemy?

655
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Yes, you're obsessed with me.

656
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,320
No, I'm not.

657
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Yes, you are.

658
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,320
No, I'm not.

659
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Yes, you are.

660
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320
Who else drives you to one up them the way that I do?

661
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,320
Bane.

662
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,320
No, we've done that.

663
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Superman.

664
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,320
Superman's not a bad guy.

665
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Then I'd say that I don't currently have a bad guy.

666
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,160
I am fighting a few different people.

667
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,160
What?

668
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:23,320
According to Dan Lynn, the conceived idea for Lego Batman was it was going to be a family

669
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,320
friendly version of Deadpool.

670
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,480
I can see that.

671
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,520
And when he described the Lego movie, that was supposed to be a family friendly version

672
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,520
of the Matrix.

673
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,520
Whoa.

674
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Which kind of makes sense now?

675
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,520
Yeah.

676
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Yeah.

677
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,560
To direct was Chris McKay, the guy from Robot Chicken.

678
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,560
In an interview with Cartoon Brew, he talked about how he pitched and approached the film,

679
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,320
and I wrote, "I'm a big fan of airplane movies, naked gun movies, and I wanted to do..."

680
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,800
When you said airplane movies, my brain went to like...

681
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Oh, movies you watch in the airplane.

682
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320
You watched the movie.

683
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320
"Watching the airplane movies."

684
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,680
It's a big fan of the airplane movies, the naked gun movies.

685
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520
And I wanted to do something that was fast and funny as that kind of film.

686
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,880
And I also wanted a little bit of heart, find a little bit of earnest, sincere emotions

687
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,120
in the Batman story because I knew that was the only unique way into this character.

688
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,200
I basically pitched the movie to the studio and said that I wanted to make Jerry McGuire

689
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,520
as directed by Michael Mann with a lot of jokes in it.

690
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,080
They kind of let me run with that.

691
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,660
Research in the movie in my head, I guess I was thinking it was basically taking the

692
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:32,400
Burt Ward Robin and sticking him in the Batmobile with the Zack Snyder Ben Affleck Batman,

693
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,160
or a Frank Miller Batman, and putting these two different energies together.

694
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Somebody who's the grumpiest, dark, grittiest, brutus Batman with the most positive kid.

695
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,240
In 2019, while promoting the Lego Movie 2, the second part, Chris Miller confirmed that

696
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,080
the Lego Batman is from the imagination of Finn and Bianca, the human characters from the

697
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Lego movie.

698
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Oh, cute.

699
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Even though they're not shown in the movie.

700
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,360
For this film, they also use Animal Logic again to do the animation.

701
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,640
Yeah, at this point, Rinson repeat.

702
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,640
Yeah.

703
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:11,240
In March 2015, it was announced that another Lego spin-off movie was in development, the

704
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Billion Brick Race.

705
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,120
The plot of the film is heavily inspired by the Cannonball Run along with other racing

706
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120
films.

707
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,360
The tagline of it, it's not about how many bricks you have.

708
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,160
It's about what you do with the ones you've got.

709
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,960
In July 2016, it was announced that Jason Siegel and Drew Pierce were hired to write and

710
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,960
direct the film.

711
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Now, you know who Jason Siegel is.

712
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,680
For getting Sarah Marshall, how I met your mother.

713
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,680
The Muppets.

714
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Yes, we all know who he is.

715
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Oh, for your dead body.

716
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Yes.

717
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360
I know Pierce, do you know what he has done?

718
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Stuff.

719
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,360
He's done stuff.

720
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720
He wrote Iron Man 3, Mission Impossible, Rogue Nation.

721
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Wow, smack those two together in a room.

722
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,040
That's fascinating.

723
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Hotel Artemis, Hobbs and Shaw, the Facing for Your Story.

724
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,000
I liked Hobbs and Shaw and I will die on it.

725
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,640
I love that movie, too.

726
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,280
But I don't think you love it as much as this other film, The Fall Guy.

727
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Oh!

728
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Oh!

729
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,120
I love The Fall Guy so much!

730
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,040
The Fall Guy is so underrated!

731
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,880
They also hired a animation director in August of 2017.

732
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,680
Jorge R. Gutierrez was hired to co-direct, but he left about a year later in February 2018.

733
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,120
Yeah, he kind of like saw the writing on the wall.

734
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,120
It was like, if this isn't going to get made, I got to go out because I got to do a lot

735
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,120
of other stuff.

736
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:39,080
In December 2019, Gutierrez revealed concept art for the main characters for the film.

737
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,160
And from what we can see in the concept art, it looks like the characters were going to

738
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160
race through different LEGO worlds.

739
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Similar to in the LEGO movie when they're crashing through different worlds.

740
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
And we see a bunch of stuff like that.

741
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,160
It's really hard to see and we're going to post it onto our Instagram, Blue Sky.

742
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200
You can see the concept art here, but they're going through canyons.

743
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,240
I see one with a castle.

744
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,080
They're kind of going through middle earth.

745
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,640
Has wreck it Ralph Fibes?

746
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Yes, very much like that.

747
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,720
There's a dragon, medieval type world.

748
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,320
It's just like a variety of like what is that we could include.

749
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,720
And I'm sure they're like basing it off the sets that have been made in actual LEGO world.

750
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,720
Gutierrez.

751
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:26,320
He did confirm that the cancellation of the movie was due to the port performance this

752
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,320
year is later.

753
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,320
So we're going ahead of time right now.

754
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Just because all this is taking place while the other movies are going.

755
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,040
The port performance of the LEGO movie too and the Ninjaga movie is the reason why they

756
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,800
just dipped, canceled everything.

757
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Did not realize there was a Ninjaga movie.

758
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,280
So we will discuss the Ninjaga movie in just a bit.

759
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,280
What I want to do, I'm going to give you the laptop.

760
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,240
What I have done is I have listed the actor's name and the character that they were going

761
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:57,200
to play and below that is the concept art of what that character was going to look

762
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,200
like.

763
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:04,520
So tell me who it is, the actor and the character and kind of describe that.

764
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Okay, so we have a female named Jane Dane Draperger with red hair, cool blacks sunglasses.

765
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
She has got a biker sort of field her.

766
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,440
She would have been played by Amy Polar.

767
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:26,240
Okay, we've got a dude with blue hair again similar biker vibes.

768
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,000
Brody Reyes.

769
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,840
Played by Jason Siegel.

770
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Cool.

771
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,760
I'm sensing a big biker feel to all of these, which is really fun.

772
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560
I mean, it is like a racing rogues movie.

773
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,560
It's a cannonball run.

774
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,240
Yeah, Frankie Reyes, to be played by Mina Masoud.

775
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,240
Awesome.

776
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,320
Like blue pig tails, red, rosy, the riveter kind of feel.

777
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,440
And then we've got good old Tobin.

778
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Ben has a very vanilla vibe about him, white hair, tan suit, cool guy sunglasses though,

779
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,760
played by Aaron Paul.

780
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Tough guy is just wreck it Ralph in a who is the FBI director played by Nicholas Moron.

781
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,840
Oh boy.

782
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,760
Mr. Wonderful has a not so wonderful tone about him actually.

783
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,080
He's got a handlebar stash with some like evil, con evil outfit, but with abs showing

784
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,040
because that's the most important part.

785
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Very broad shoulder.

786
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Right, like bigger Lego, not typical tough guy and Mr. Wonderful feel like they have a double

787
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Lego going on.

788
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:38,240
Dane Cook and then last but not least is Jane Alabama who's got a pinstripe suit on,

789
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:46,320
ginger hair, pencil in it, spectacles, played by Adele, Xer Cho, I'm so sorry.

790
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,840
It's a French last name.

791
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,800
She was in blue is the warm color played by Adele, not that Adele, not that Adele,

792
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,600
but that's really cute.

793
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Yeah.

794
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Obviously I'm an Amy polar fan.

795
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,000
It's weird to look at a Lego and go, oh yeah, that's Amy polar.

796
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,200
And this is around the time that she has done inside out.

797
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Oh nice.

798
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Yeah, those are fun.

799
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:17,280
We're going to go a little bit into Ninjago and just kind of explain.

800
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,280
Were you into Ninjago?

801
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,280
No, I was not.

802
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,400
Ninjago was a little past our prime, I feel like.

803
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Definitely was.

804
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,400
So on paper, the Ninjago movie seems like it's a focus group jackpot.

805
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,800
The Ninjago product line actually came out of a series called Lego Castle and this actually

806
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
started back in 1978.

807
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:46,840
The first set in this line was a medieval yellow castle populated by armed knights.

808
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,800
Over time, various types of knights and structures were then added.

809
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,720
And in 1993, a more magical element was included when they started introducing dragons,

810
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,400
wizards and other mythical creatures.

811
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,440
I vaguely remember this.

812
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,800
And it wasn't until 1998 that ninjas were introduced as part of the series.

813
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,720
In 2011, Lego made an official product line known as Ninjago with a TV show to accompany

814
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:12,720
it.

815
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:23,160
And Ninjago, the masters of Spinjitsu, ran from 2011 to 2022 in a sequel series, Ninjago,

816
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,920
dragons rising, continues the story.

817
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,800
It premiered in 2023 and is actually still going to this day.

818
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,960
And as for the sets, there are over 600 of them.

819
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Ninjago, still going?

820
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,840
It's still going.

821
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,720
Like I mentioned before, Ninjago with the movie feels like a focus group jackpot.

822
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,880
I agree and disagree.

823
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,920
The beauty of the Lego movie, one, I don't know if I've seen two.

824
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:55,640
And then the Batman movie is they are reminiscent to me of 90s for the whole family movies.

825
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,360
There is adult jokes.

826
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,720
It's also perfectly set for itty bitties.

827
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,800
The thing that I don't see in the Ninjago movie is that like those ones don't feel

828
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,960
the same.

829
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,300
They definitely feel I'm not to keep gendering things, but they feel a little bit like a boy

830
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:12,300
party to me.

831
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:13,300
It does.

832
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:18,020
I almost understand why if you would have these big tent poles that everyone's like, I can

833
00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:22,840
take the whole family to this and then this one comes out, you're like, oh, well.

834
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,840
Yeah.

835
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,640
But yeah, at the time, it seemed like the perfect option.

836
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,240
And this big thing, Lego didn't have to share the rights with another IP.

837
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,440
Oh, that's true.

838
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Mm-hmm.

839
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,800
I think that's a big motivator there.

840
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,880
It's like, well, we tried it with other stuff we did with Batman, we did it with Warner

841
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,720
Brothers and their whole library of stuff that they have.

842
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,360
Now it's our turn to be like, well, people are going there for the Lego part.

843
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,360
Like why don't we just go all in and actually do the Lego?

844
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
That's why I'm like, why wouldn't you have done the Cannonball run?

845
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Like to me, that's in the same voice as the other ones, just completely original.

846
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,200
Yeah.

847
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,000
And it seemed like they were going to go down that road.

848
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,600
I don't understand the hard left into like our own IP.

849
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,560
I think they were just too scared at that point.

850
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,840
They were just like, we're losing money, we're hemorrhaging money, like we're just, we can't

851
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,840
keep going like this.

852
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,840
And we--

853
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,840
So Ninjago's.

854
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,840
And we just might as well cut our losses.

855
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040
I mean, that decision was after Ninjago had been released.

856
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,040
You're right.

857
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,960
So in hindsight, they wouldn't have known.

858
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,120
So although the film was technically a success in the box office, it raked in over $120

859
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,960
million with a $70 million budget, it was nothing like the Lego movie.

860
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Or Lego Batman.

861
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,440
Now we know with the Lego movie, I didn't say how much the Lego Batman movie brought in,

862
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,400
but that was around $300 million.

863
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,400
So well over double.

864
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,320
Yeah, I mean, Batman's always a surefire, but--

865
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Yeah, Batman, I consider, is like Warner Bros.

866
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Rintin-Tin now.

867
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Like, not making any money, put out a Batman movie.

868
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Yeah.

869
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Interest in a new big budget, Lego movie, didn't seem to interest audiences anymore.

870
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Even critically, it didn't seem to connect.

871
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,240
Even though they found it very funny.

872
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,200
The spectacle just wasn't there after seeing the Lego movie.

873
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,000
And it seems like the film tried to tell a familiar story to the Lego movie, a father and

874
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,400
son relationship that seemed to be explored within the universe.

875
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,960
From those who follow Ninjago, it seems like they were disappointed in the film.

876
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Much of the character's development seemed to be dismissed, and the character seemed to

877
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160
be flattened to just a single trope.

878
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Which makes sense when you learn that they wanted this movie to fit in more with the

879
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Lego universe and not the Ninjago universe.

880
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,880
So as if like--

881
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,880
Oh, that makes sense.

882
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,880
It's the kids' imagination, not the lore from the show.

883
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,720
Yeah, but have you met children like they understand lore so deeply?

884
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:42,720
They do.

885
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,720
Like more so than we did.

886
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:44,720
Oh, yeah.

887
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,000
No, I'm like, some seven-year-old is like actually, then Ninjago lore says, and I'm like,

888
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,760
cool, I believe you, old hardly.

889
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,720
I'm watching the new live-action Avatar, and I'm sure Amber is sick of me because I'm just

890
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:56,720
like, actually.

891
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,800
Yeah.

892
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,800
Every scene.

893
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,400
Every time I see it pop up, I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to watch it alone.

894
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,640
I actually always enjoy your, like, let's push up glasses and have deep-commentarian things.

895
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,040
Like, I just want like the DVD-Dan commentary for it.

896
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Yeah.

897
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Also, this production back to Ninjago seemed to be chaotic.

898
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:25,480
Now, there's no like reported proof of this, but there is like some signs that it was chaotic

899
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,800
considering that there were nine story-buy and screenplay credits?

900
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Those nine writers, they're not in a room trying to figure this out.

901
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,560
It's usually like, hey, this isn't working.

902
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,600
You make a new story.

903
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,600
You write a new script.

904
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Hey, that's not working.

905
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,600
You try and figure it out.

906
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Right.

907
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,200
What they need is like two adults and three kids in a writer's room.

908
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Yeah.

909
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,000
Well, is it Holly Berry when she accepted her razzie for the Catwoman movie?

910
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
She's like, I would like to think all 20 writers.

911
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Oh!

912
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Oh my God!

913
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Yeah.

914
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Yeah.

915
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:03,880
I wonder how that, from again, the producerial element of that is like, how does that work with

916
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,160
the WGA guidelines and like, how does everybody get paid and what?

917
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,160
20?

918
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,160
It was a lot, yeah.

919
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Dear God.

920
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,000
It went through a lot of iterations and you can hear about it in our Catwoman episode.

921
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Also, another sign that it may have been chaotic is that they actually push the release date

922
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,960
a full year later, originally, was going to be September 23rd, 2016, new release date

923
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,040
when it actually came out, September 22nd, 2017.

924
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,280
Wow, that is a little calendar year.

925
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,200
But also, this is my theory.

926
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,240
And I think you brought it up as well.

927
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,240
Tell me please.

928
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,480
For those who watch the Lego movie and Lego Batman, they're familiar with the toys, they're

929
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,520
familiar with the IP.

930
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,600
And those who just don't know what Ninjaco is, they're just not going to go out and see

931
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,600
it.

932
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Right.

933
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080
And I'm thinking back to like me, I didn't see Ninjaco in theaters.

934
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,120
I eventually watched it streaming because I was like, oh, I mean, I never watched this Lego

935
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
movie and I liked the other Lego movies.

936
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,120
So I do agree.

937
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,120
It was funny.

938
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,120
There is the Laloid joke.

939
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,120
Laloid?

940
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,120
That's right.

941
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,840
It's me, your son, and it's Lloyd Dad.

942
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,840
No.

943
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,400
Ellen Oh, why do I name you?

944
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,400
You ruined my life.

945
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,400
How could I ruin your life?

946
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,320
I wasn't even there.

947
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,400
It's interesting to me when you were saying they wanted it to fit into like the Lego universe

948
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,640
more and less of the Ninjaco universe.

949
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:33,120
If you want people to care about anything, give them more, give them character.

950
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Respect the fandom.

951
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,320
Yeah, respect the fandom, respect the material.

952
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,320
Yeah.

953
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,480
So in my head, I'm like, okay, if you really wanted to build your own brand, Ninjaco already

954
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,320
did half the work for you, like commit to the bit.

955
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,320
Yeah.

956
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,320
I mean, I'm mildly curious about it.

957
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,320
I'm going out.

958
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,320
Go check it out if you want to.

959
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,320
Or just watch the Lego movie again.

960
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,320
Or just watch the Lego movie because--

961
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Uniquity.

962
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Or the best Batman movie ever made.

963
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,200
I actually do agree with that, Santa.

964
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,880
There are many producers of Batman who would agree with you.

965
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Oh, I'm sure.

966
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040
So my theory seems to stand.

967
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,800
When WB put out a Uniquity TV series.

968
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,800
Hi!

969
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,800
Woohoo!

970
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Uniquity!

971
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,160
Uniquity!

972
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,800
Yeah, it was actually pretty popular.

973
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Kim out in 2017 had over a hundred episodes.

974
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,800
You know why?

975
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Uniquity.

976
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,800
It's gonna get universal to children.

977
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,800
Yes.

978
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,320
But also, Lego and WB figured that it was time to get the gang back together and do Lego

979
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,320
movie too.

980
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,320
The second part.

981
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,320
The second part.

982
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,320
The second part.

983
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,320
Yeah.

984
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,320
They wanted to bring back the original director as Lord and Miller.

985
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,320
But since the first movie, they got a little bit busy.

986
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,320
We did.

987
00:45:49,320 --> 00:46:11,800
Doing projects like 22 Jump Street and Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse.

988
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,080
We did a Han Solo movie that we don't need to talk about right now and might be a few

989
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,120
drapes out in the podcast.

990
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,120
Oh!

991
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,400
I thought we were talking about the mother of Dragon's Han Solo movie, but no.

992
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,400
We'll do it without later.

993
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Since they were stretched so thin, they only agreed to produce and help write the script.

994
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,760
Only in my spare time.

995
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,200
To direct was Chris McKay, but he was already preoccupied.

996
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Direct and Lego Batman.

997
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Next in line was Rob Schrob.

998
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,400
He was a creator of Scud the Disposable Assassin.

999
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,400
He is Dan Harmon's writing partner.

1000
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400
He directed many episodes of Community and he directed the Lego movie 4D.

1001
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,400
A new adventure.

1002
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000
So he was perfect for directing the new Lego movie.

1003
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,800
I didn't know there was a Lego movie 4D.

1004
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,040
It's like when you go to Universal and they have the Kung Fu Dragon 4D.

1005
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,040
Oh!

1006
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,040
One board on board on board.

1007
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,040
Okay.

1008
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,040
It's like that.

1009
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,720
They went through several rewrites with Lord and Miller and multiple writers.

1010
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:07,480
Eventually Schrob left the project in 2017 for Creative Differences.

1011
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Insert generic answer here.

1012
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,480
Yeah.

1013
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,280
Next to direct was Mike Mitchell.

1014
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,080
He directed one of your favorite movie Sky High.

1015
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,600
He did Trek Forever After.

1016
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,720
Elvin and the Chipmunks.

1017
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:18,720
Chipwrecked.

1018
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:19,720
Intro.

1019
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,720
Oh, excuse me.

1020
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,880
Out of that list, I don't know what Sky High is.

1021
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,880
You don't know what?

1022
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,880
What?

1023
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,880
What?

1024
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Okay.

1025
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,880
Hang on.

1026
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Hang on.

1027
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,880
Before you get all jetgy pants.

1028
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,880
Around the time of Sky High, there was a similar movie called like High School in the

1029
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,880
air or something.

1030
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,560
It's not right, but it's a very similar title because that doesn't have Courtney Cox in

1031
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,560
it.

1032
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,320
Courtney Cox is in the similar movie.

1033
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Oh, I thought you...

1034
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,080
I know.

1035
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,080
Really?

1036
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,080
I'm not a Sky High girl.

1037
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Oh, that list though.

1038
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Give me Elvin and the Chipmunks.

1039
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Chipwrecked.

1040
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Every time.

1041
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Okay.

1042
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Anyway.

1043
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Dan Lynn.

1044
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Chipwrecked?

1045
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,080
No.

1046
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,080
He's the one who started the whole Lego movie.

1047
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
All right.

1048
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Back at it.

1049
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Rick Moral.

1050
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Yep.

1051
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
I'm not a musical number.

1052
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,400
You know, since Disney was finding success in there animated musicals such as Tangled, Frozen,

1053
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,400
and Moana.

1054
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,400
Listen.

1055
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,400
Oh, no.

1056
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,400
Are we in a musical?

1057
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Yep.

1058
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,400
Get ready.

1059
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,400
Hello, friends.

1060
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,400
My name is Queen.

1061
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,400
What has R1A?

1062
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,400
Don't worry.

1063
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400
I'm totally not one of those evil queens.

1064
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,400
You've read about it.

1065
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,880
Fairy tales were seen in the movies.

1066
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,280
And there's no reason at all to be suspicious of.

1067
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,280
No.

1068
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,280
No.

1069
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,040
This film, like Ninjago, also has a story.

1070
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:41,800
I had to push the release date again a year later from May 26, 2017 to May 18, 2018.

1071
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,800
Okay.

1072
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,720
But May is a good month for movies.

1073
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,520
It's the beginning of summer blockbusters.

1074
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Yeah.

1075
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,200
But then they had to push it again to February 8, 2019.

1076
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,320
Dig a hole.

1077
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,120
Regardless of the delays, this might have been a blessing in disguise because around this

1078
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:04,000
time, Lord and Miller were actually just raking in all of the awards for Spider-Verse.

1079
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,480
Now, there's another Lord and Miller animated movies with characters that we love.

1080
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,920
There's no way this is gonna fail, right?

1081
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,520
I mean, to be fair, yeah, there's no way.

1082
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,560
Well, the movie was released and it made just under $200 million.

1083
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,520
What was the original budget?

1084
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Budget was increased to $99 million.

1085
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Oh.

1086
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Oh.

1087
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,080
So, it was considered a bomb.

1088
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,360
So what was it?

1089
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:35,120
Did the animation that Wowd audiences five years before seem unimpressive or expected

1090
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,120
now?

1091
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,400
It might be that the reviews stated that this is just more the same.

1092
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,040
And in many ways, the first film was just flat out better than the sequel.

1093
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,240
So just don't bother with this one.

1094
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,160
I think my theory brain.

1095
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,240
It might have been fatigue of animated movies based on established IP.

1096
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:58,400
Between the first and second LEGO movie, we had a Playmobile movie, the Penets movie,

1097
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,480
Birds, Captain Underpants, Smurfs, My Little Pony, and the Umoji movie.

1098
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,520
I was gonna say it's the Umoji movie.

1099
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,640
The Umoji movie kind of ruined a lot of things.

1100
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Okay, now that we're talking about it, I don't think I've seen like a movie too.

1101
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,160
I don't know what the plot is.

1102
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,520
I don't remember it either.

1103
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,280
I watched LEGO movie two in theaters.

1104
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,080
I don't remember what happened.

1105
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Ratro, that's a big problem.

1106
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,720
If we don't remember, I'm like, was it a continuation of the first one?

1107
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:25,720
Kind of, yeah.

1108
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,760
I know they go into like the sister's room.

1109
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,240
And then it's her toys that they have to play with now.

1110
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,080
Oh, damn it.

1111
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Now I want to watch it because I'm like, what was it?

1112
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,760
So yeah, movies just start to feel unoriginal in late-stage capitalism.

1113
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,760
Shocker.

1114
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,800
And this seemed like the beginning of the end.

1115
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,880
To back it up just a little bit because this came out in 2019.

1116
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,480
December 2018, it was announced that they were going to make a LEGO Batman sequel and

1117
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,400
that Christmas K would be back to direct.

1118
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,800
To write the script was Michael Waldron.

1119
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,240
He was the creator of Loki and he helped write all the episodes, I believe.

1120
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,800
He did write one episode for Rick and Morty and he wrote Dr. Strange in the Multiverse

1121
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,800
of Madness.

1122
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,480
A, that was my clue.

1123
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,520
Yep.

1124
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,920
To co-write with him was Dan Harmon.

1125
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,680
You said they were partners or something?

1126
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,680
Yep, they were partners.

1127
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,920
That's crazy to me that like Dan Harmon of community and like Loki.

1128
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,080
I mean, Dan Harmon did help out with some Marvel stuff.

1129
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:32,760
I know that when it came to the first Dr. Strange movie, I believe he came in to help like rewrite.

1130
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,760
Fascinating.

1131
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,360
You know at the part where they have to like rewind time and Dr. Strange puts whatever that

1132
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,960
got is like into a time loop?

1133
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Yes.

1134
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,960
That's Dan Harmon.

1135
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Got it.

1136
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,960
That's his rewrites.

1137
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,960
In an interview with Collider, McKay described vaguely what the film was going to be about.

1138
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,920
But Dan and Waldron had the first draft of the script and it was really great.

1139
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,480
It was truly epic.

1140
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Both from an action standpoint and from a story standpoint.

1141
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,120
The structure was Godfather Part II.

1142
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,880
A story about Batman's relationship to the Justice League and Superman.

1143
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,720
Now as well as the formative moments of the Justice League and Batman's relationship to Superman.

1144
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:15,320
Then the film was about friendship and change and it was about how hard it is to change,

1145
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,680
to commit to change, to stay on the new road you've carved out for yourself.

1146
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Especially when maybe you weren't such a good guy to your friends.

1147
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,440
Your old friends might not be able to see the new you.

1148
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,240
They might not still live in the past.

1149
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:35,080
But as the movie and Robin finds out, the past might be more complicated than it seems.

1150
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,800
We had a lot of great voice actors from the Lego movie and Lego Batman.

1151
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,760
The villain was going to be Lex Luther and O'Mac.

1152
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
I don't know if you know who O'Mac is.

1153
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,200
So O'Mac, the observational metahuman activity construct.

1154
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,360
So basically it was like the satellite that Batman had constructed to help surveillance

1155
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,480
anyone with superhumans.

1156
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,880
But also it had a database in there of every single person's weakness.

1157
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:10,240
So if anyone of them steps out a line, Batman can take him down.

1158
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,160
And imagine what happens if that malfunctions.

1159
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,160
No thanks.

1160
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,960
Yeah, I think was just a sleep doom.

1161
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,320
It's a straight to video animated feature that DC did where basically that was the premise

1162
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,160
of the movie was like O'Mac is going haywire in what's going on.

1163
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,160
It's really neat.

1164
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,160
I like that concept.

1165
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,160
More from the interview.

1166
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,160
There's more of course.

1167
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,800
Lots of Aquaman, one woman, Lois Lane.

1168
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,280
There's also going to be a big crossover at one point in the movie that only one can

1169
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120
do in a Lego movie.

1170
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,880
I'm sure they're going to bring in like some other WB like property to like go into there

1171
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,880
with them.

1172
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:54,160
A page of the script was leaked by Muckle Waldron that reads Lego superfriends based on the

1173
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,720
Lego Batman movie based on the Lego movie based on the Lego line of toys, which were probably

1174
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,560
based on Lincoln Lugs.

1175
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Amazing.

1176
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:10,040
Also based on DC comic book characters such as Batman, Superman, Aquaman, The Wonder Twins,

1177
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:16,440
also loosely based on Boogie Knights based on the cartoon superfriends based on an original

1178
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,880
idea by Dan Harmon and Michael Waldron.

1179
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,880
Pretty great.

1180
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,800
There's a lot of based on.

1181
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,900
Just like with Billion Brick Race, the underperformance of Ninjago and Lego movie two,

1182
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,560
Spook WB to pull the plug and cut their losses.

1183
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,720
Now is this the end of the Lego movies?

1184
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:33,720
No.

1185
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,520
With WB most likely?

1186
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Yes.

1187
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,360
Wait, wait, wait, wait, but we also had am I stealing from your notes now?

1188
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,280
The Forreal piece by piece, right?

1189
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,280
Right by brick?

1190
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,280
Let me explain.

1191
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,280
Right.

1192
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,960
I like that you're thinking about this and you're just like, yeah, it's not fun when someone

1193
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,960
steals your notes, is it?

1194
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,480
I love it.

1195
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,080
For the Lego group, which is the production company that's in charge of the Lego movie franchise,

1196
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,360
they signed a five year deal with the universe studios.

1197
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,360
Oh, right.

1198
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,360
It did pivot.

1199
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,360
Mm-hmm.

1200
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,360
The same deal they signed with WB.

1201
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:18,480
If you remember, in 2024, they released a Forreal Williams biopic piece by piece.

1202
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,280
In the latest news, Universal and Lego Group announced that they were working on five

1203
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,240
new Lego films under the deal.

1204
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:31,600
I know right now they're doing a TV series, which is Dress Park.

1205
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Now although the Super Friends movie does not have a chance because the IP is all owned by

1206
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,840
Horned Brothers, billion brick race does still have a chance.

1207
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,160
That is not tied to any IP.

1208
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,920
And you could use the worlds that Universal owns.

1209
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,360
Essentially, you could just rework the script.

1210
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Like honestly, there's so much, oh my god, just take the Universal Tram, let that be your

1211
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,000
mode of transportation and then just jump through each like world.

1212
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:04,720
I have two guesses as to which Lego movies might actually happen.

1213
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:10,280
And I want to give you a chance to also guess what you think Universal is going to do with

1214
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,280
the Lego property.

1215
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,000
What IP would they use in Lego Fiat?

1216
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,720
I mean, what do I want them to do or what do I think they'll do?

1217
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,000
Let's do a want and a prediction.

1218
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,240
Can't we know my want is going to be the Monsters?

1219
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:24,240
Mm-hmm.

1220
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,000
That was actually one of my predictions is that they're going to be Universal Monsters.

1221
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:33,320
Oh, please, every Monster movie ever, that's the dark universe.

1222
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Legitimately also that's cute for children's toys.

1223
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,240
There are not Monster Legos yet or maybe there are and I just don't know them, but that's

1224
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,720
how you get me to spend money on Legos.

1225
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,520
That's what I would want them to do, 100%.

1226
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,880
If they're going to go off big IP, probably fast in the Furious, oh, that's a fun way to

1227
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,960
take that Cannonball Run movie and keep living here on lore because here your family

1228
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Oh, so good.

1229
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,840
Honestly, now that I've said it out loud too, I just think like I want the tram to be the movie.

1230
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Like you go take the studio to a, but then you actually wind up instead of going on like

1231
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,280
a normal studio to or something magical happens and then you go to the world of movies.

1232
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:21,400
Yeah, my want you already said, which is the Universal Monsters, my prediction, it'll

1233
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,400
make you grown.

1234
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Oh, God.

1235
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,000
I know it's going to happen.

1236
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Lego minions.

1237
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,000
I have no words.

1238
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,640
Honestly, you're correct.

1239
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,240
You're so right at hers.

1240
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,760
I don't hate the minions.

1241
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,360
I just don't love them like the rest of the world.

1242
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,720
I did read a thing and I don't know how true it is, but the creator of minions said all the

1243
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:45,720
minions are men.

1244
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:46,720
They are.

1245
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,840
Like women would never do anything that silly.

1246
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,200
My heart grew a little bit.

1247
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,200
There was a minute.

1248
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:57,600
They also revealed that they were frozen in a cave during the time of Hitler and Mussolini.

1249
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,600
How convenient.

1250
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,080
Maybe I got a rewatch.

1251
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,080
Yes.

1252
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Oh my God, you're so right.

1253
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,800
And I like, oh, I'm not even mad.

1254
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,560
I'm mad at myself for not like guessing it.

1255
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,440
And like now is the perfect time to watch the minions because minions and monsters just came

1256
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out.

1257
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,640
But it's not like actual monsters, which makes me sad.

1258
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,920
It's like some orange goo.

1259
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,920
I believe they put in some uniform monsters.

1260
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:21,920
But they didn't.

1261
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,920
Huge mistake.

1262
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,920
Huge mistake.

1263
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,960
That is where the Lego group, the Lego movies, that is where it's out right now.

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,760
Dan and I are available to write the sequel.

1265
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,600
We are available to write the sequel.

1266
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,520
I was trying to figure out how to end this episode.

1267
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,560
And I think I found where it is.

1268
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,560
Menions?

1269
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,960
Yes, menions.

1270
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:43,440
What I want to end the episode with is an unsung hero that I believe made the original

1271
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,680
Lego movie what it was and why we connect with it.

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,680
Dextone!

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,680
I had to.

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680
We can do.

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,480
Her name is Lindsay Doran.

1276
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,240
She is a script doctor.

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,840
For those who don't know, they're a consultant.

1278
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Basically, whenever a studio, a production just can't make the story work, they're going

1279
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,000
to go out and do something.

1280
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,440
They come in and perform writer's surgery.

1281
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,080
There was a famous actress who used to be a script doctor, especially throughout like

1282
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,400
the 90s, I believe.

1283
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,080
Carrie Fisher was a script doctor.

1284
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,600
If anyone's having trouble with the story, they're the ones who try to make it work.

1285
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,120
For Lindsay Doran, the philosophy that she teaches is that the best films are those who

1286
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,960
define a relationship at the end of the movie.

1287
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:32,120
And she helped fill Lord and Chris Miller structure the film and added what is probably

1288
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,600
the most important part of the film.

1289
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,200
Prior to her involvement, the film was going to take place solely in the Lego universe.

1290
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:46,640
And her crucial suggestion was to take the film out of the world and focus on the father

1291
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,160
and son relationship.

1292
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,880
Take the differences of play and structure and find a way to mend that relationship.

1293
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,680
She found the soul in a soulless toy.

1294
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,960
And when we see the small details of those toys like scratches and fingerprints and worn

1295
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:09,800
edges, we register that that toy has been played with, that those toys are a vessel of

1296
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,600
someone's imagination, of someone's magic portal.

1297
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,560
I was going to make a joke and then you just ended there.

1298
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Yeah, I mean, yep, nope, I have no idea.

1299
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:34,160
Now for our favorite part of the episode, our recommendations where we tell you what we

1300
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,360
watched and tell you what you need to watch.

1301
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,360
Mm-hmm.

1302
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Mm-hmm.

1303
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,720
I am going to get ahead of the curve this week.

1304
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:43,720
Ooh.

1305
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,320
And I'm going to recommend something that on a technicality, I haven't seen in this format,

1306
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,320
but I have seen it.

1307
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:56,040
And so opening on July 24 is Havies Town, the musical.

1308
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,040
Ooh.

1309
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,440
They're like professional recording of it.

1310
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,440
Interesting.

1311
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,440
Yeah.

1312
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:06,920
Havies Town is the story of Orpheus and Euridice as a musical.

1313
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,400
This was the first Broadway musical I ever got to see in New York City.

1314
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:16,080
I have been a big fan of The Orpheus and Euridice myth for a long time.

1315
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:22,560
I was in the play Euridice by Sarah Rural, one isn't college, or I guess a scene from it.

1316
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,720
I just think it's a really good myth and very timeless and then the musical is perfect

1317
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,000
and fun fact about the musical.

1318
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:36,240
If you've ever seen a teeny tiny little show called This Is Us with Chris Sullivan who was

1319
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:42,560
Toby on This Is Us, he actually was in the original original recording.

1320
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:43,560
Ooh.

1321
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,560
As Hermes.

1322
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,520
That did not follow through to the Broadway release.

1323
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,680
He's an amazing singer and I was like watching one of the very, really recordings and I was

1324
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,040
like, oh my god, Toby!

1325
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,560
But Havies Town is great.

1326
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,880
It is really emotional and very timely and I think the story is something that we all

1327
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,960
sort of need to listen to.

1328
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:12,840
I'm very excited to go to the movie theater to see the musical theater for Havies Town.

1329
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,840
I'm glad.

1330
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,320
Get to see the stage on the big screen.

1331
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,160
Yep, how it was intended.

1332
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,840
Much like visual podcasts.

1333
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,000
My recommendation.

1334
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,200
I guess it's going to fit the theme.

1335
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,200
It actually will.

1336
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,240
Damn it!

1337
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Transformers 1.

1338
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,440
With Shia Lebuff?

1339
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,440
No.

1340
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,440
This is Sans Shia.

1341
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,480
Is this a stop motion, Transformers?

1342
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,480
I don't know about.

1343
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,960
It is not a stop motion.

1344
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,760
I almost went down that road, but I do have my reasons.

1345
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,080
Transformers 1.

1346
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,440
This came out in 2024.

1347
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,440
Transformers 1.

1348
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,520
It is a completely animated movie, CG animated movie.

1349
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Oh!

1350
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,680
With Scar Jo.

1351
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:01,520
And this is kind of like before the events of the Transformers taking place on Earth.

1352
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,840
This takes place on their original planet that they're from, Cybertron.

1353
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,400
And I know.

1354
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,600
Like saying the names out loud is very silly.

1355
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,800
Oh, Brian Tyree Henry is Megatron?

1356
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,840
It's really well cast.

1357
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,480
Keegan Michael Key is Bumblebee.

1358
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,240
I know they actually say Bumblebee in the movie.

1359
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,240
He's just known as B.

1360
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,000
And he is amazing.

1361
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,480
Oh, directed by Josh Cooley.

1362
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,480
And he also did Toys 4.

1363
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,480
Yes, he did.

1364
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,480
And Toys 4 of Terror.

1365
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,480
Full circle.

1366
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,360
It was actually really good.

1367
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:45,280
I was surprised because I feel like we have this fatigue of like the Michael Bay Transformer

1368
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,320
movies with Shia and whatever.

1369
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:50,320
Shia and above.

1370
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,000
And having the human cast.

1371
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,360
This is only the cast of Transformers.

1372
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:01,200
And it goes to the origin story of Megatron and Optimus Prime back when they were

1373
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,240
friends, they were much younger and kind of like how they get their powers.

1374
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,640
You actually get to see them transform for the first time, which is actually really funny.

1375
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:09,640
That's cute.

1376
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,040
Bumblebee, he transforms into like the yellow car.

1377
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,920
But he's like, I don't have any wheels.

1378
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,040
So you see his arms sticking out and he's like trying to like, waddle like down.

1379
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,360
I never ever seen the trailer for this and being like, it actually looks really cute.

1380
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,720
It is better than it should be.

1381
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:31,960
So if you're looking for a movie that's based on a toy, definitely check out Transformers

1382
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:32,960
1.

1383
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,320
Oh, there's your thrill on it.

1384
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,760
And you can find us on our social media pages on TikTok and Instagram.

1385
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,120
We are at development purgatory on loose.

1386
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,640
We are at the exception of.

1387
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,720
Blue Sky, which we are dev purgatory.

1388
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:52,280
There we are going to be putting up a lot of concept art for the Lego movie or the

1389
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,360
Unmade Lego movies, which you definitely remember.

1390
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,080
The Unmade Lego movie?

1391
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,240
The Unmade Lego movies.

1392
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,120
We're going to put up concept art on there.

1393
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,120
Oh, no.

1394
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,120
You get to check it out there.

1395
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,120
It's going to be a lot of fun.

1396
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,640
And you can help support this podcast by subscribing to our Patreon.

1397
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,920
There you can get ad free episodes of every episode that we've done.

1398
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Even the ones that included devod.

1399
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:17,440
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1400
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,440
Devid.

1401
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,640
If you can't support us there, that's completely understandable.

1402
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,280
There are other ways that you can support us.

1403
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:27,800
You can rate and review the podcast on your podcast of choice.

1404
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,040
And you can just tell your friends, tell your family, tell your enemies, tell anyone who

1405
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,200
will listen to you, hey, listen to this podcast.

1406
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,200
And they're like, what's a podcast?

1407
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,480
And they're like, well, it's like, if you go to YouTube.

1408
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,480
Yeah.

1409
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,720
And we'll sign off by saying, can do will do.

1410
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,320
Can do will do.

1411
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,160
- Bye.

1412
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:46,980
- Bye.

1413
01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:48,240
(laughs)