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At the playgrounds, parents often notice their children playing with someone unseen by

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their adult eyes.

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I don't care for that.

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You might like this one.

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These kids will describe a new friend in funny clothes, which people think are like older

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Oh, time yeah.

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Although this new friend doesn't talk, they say he's nice and has a toy train.

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But the kids are often confused when they try to play with the toy he offers to share,

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and he and the train disappear.

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Hi, Caitlyn.

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Hi, Cassie.

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Hi, creepy people.

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Hello.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW, Haunts and Homicides, where we

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chat about true crime, paranormal and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.

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Yes.

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Or the PNW.

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If you're nice.

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We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight

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into our topic.

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So make sure you stick around if you're into that.

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I'll be here.

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Uh, yeah.

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I think Caitlyn will be here.

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Uh, I live here.

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So.

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Yes.

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And I'll be here.

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It's a good time.

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So I found this story that I'm about to tell you in a book that we got loaned to us.

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Ooh.

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By who loaned it to us, Caitlyn?

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I can't remember.

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From the owner of Curiosities.

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Oh, that's right.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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They were so nice to loan us a book called Oregon's Ghosts and Monsters by Mike Helm.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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It's such an old, cool looking book from 1983, which it looks older than that.

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It does.

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But it says it's from 1983.

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I don't believe it.

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I'm going to need to see some identification.

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The book starts with a quote that I think is extremely fitting for what we do here and

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specifically for this topic today.

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Hit me with it.

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You all might have heard this quote before.

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I don't know.

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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

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Wow.

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And that is from a little known Shakespeare play called Hamlet.

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Just a couple of people have heard of it.

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Hit us up if you are one of those people.

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You know, they're not dime a dozen.

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Shakespeare.

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Heard of him?

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We're going 285 miles south of Portland, right to the border of California.

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Oh.

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To Ashland, Oregon.

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Oh.

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Have you been there?

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Yes.

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I've never been there.

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I've been there.

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You know, I've actually been there and visited a case that we've talked about.

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Oh, snap.

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What was that?

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I can't remember.

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I know.

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I was like, I'm going to wait and see if she remembers.

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I don't remember at all.

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Was it the train one?

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It was.

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I just pulled that out of my butthole.

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Tunnel 13.

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Da.

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I came across that while I was researching this.

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Didn't you think about it?

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I think about it.

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Apparently my brain remembered.

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Well, somewhere in the depths.

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Well, we're going back in spirit, not in the physical yet, maybe someday.

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Oh, very soon.

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We're going to.

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Well, we should specifically visit Lithia Park.

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Did you visit there?

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I don't think so.

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It's a huge park.

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And it's home to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival.

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What started as a three-day festival in 1935 by founding director Angus Boomer has now been

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extended to various performances in the theaters at the entrance of the park from March

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through October.

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So it's a whole season I should experience.

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I mean, I think you could argue that's definitely two full-ass seasons.

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It's a long-ass festival, man.

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Tickets are on sale now if you're interested.

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Oh, ooh, ooh.

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But if the barred ancient thing, you'll find much more beyond the park's entrance.

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We have another crown jewel on our hands, people.

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Wow.

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You remember our last crown jewel?

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Silver falls?

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So I can be like that.

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There's no April fools.

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I promise.

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Does anyone propose?

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It's known as Ashland's crown jewel, which you'll see why.

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With 93 acres of walking trails weaving through forest trees, lush lawns with a vast variety

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of foliage, a rose garden, a Japanese garden, two duck ponds, a swimming reservoir, community

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center, meeting hall, ice rink, tennis and pickleball courts, and many forms of wildlife.

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And of course, the beautiful Butler-Perozzi fountain once made from Italian marble is now

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a very accurate replica.

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The marble was too soft for the elements, but portions of it were preserved and stored,

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but they did do, I think butler was the person who made a replica of it.

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I think of bronze or parts of it were of bronze.

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You can read more on it if you want.

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Fancy.

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Why wouldn't I want to read about a Butler-Perozzi?

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It's gorgeous.

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Do you want to look it up real quick?

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I do.

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It looks magical.

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It does look magical.

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It reminds me of a fountain that we saw in Europe.

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It's Italian.

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It was from an Italian.

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It is Italian.

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Italian sculptor?

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I don't know what you would call someone who makes fountains.

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Sculptor?

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That's what I mean.

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I mean, made of marble.

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Let's go with that.

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Mason.

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The fountain, even though it was redone, it still takes a lot of upkeep and it does need

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an expensive repairs and maintenance to this day.

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I went ahead and made a donation on the show's behalf.

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And if any of you wonderful creepy people like to join us in support of the Butler-Perozzi 

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fountain's upkeep, you will find a link to do so down in the show description.

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I love that.

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I know.

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Once I saw a donate button, I was like, oh, we have to donate like obviously.

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We're talking about it.

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It's only right.

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John McLaren designed the landscape and Lithia Park was officially opened July 4th,

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1916.

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Oh, I feel like a couple of things we've talked about like open July 4th.

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They like to open stuff on a holiday, I guess.

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Big party.

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Why not?

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You're already doing stuff.

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Or are you?

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I don't know.

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I don't do anything.

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I know.

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I don't like for the July 4th.

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That's fine.

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So how did the park get its name?

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The spring water in the Ashland area is rich with naturally occurring lithium oxide known

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as Lithia.

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Is that a good thing?

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It is a good thing.

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It's not like the batteries.

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It's not like, it's not like, all right.

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You saw where my brain was trying to connect some dots there.

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Oh, I'm definitely Google this.

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I was like, what is this like metal?

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Like what?

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I don't get it.

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How are people not dying?

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Yeah, it just like has different compounds or whatever.

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I don't know.

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Science.

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You can Google it.

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Science.

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So they built drinking fountains for the public to access the Lithia water for its health

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benefits.

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Oh, the fountains still exist today, although people don't typically drink from them anymore due

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to the boiled egg smell and flavor.

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Oh.

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It reminds me of like, well water, I think, is exactly what that smell and taste is.

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I fully expected you to say like the lead.

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Mm-mm-mm.

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Yeah, it's healthy.

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It's safe for you to drink.

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I didn't fully go into health benefits, but obviously like they use lithium for medicines

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and all kinds of shit.

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But you'll find more than just Bardolators or picturesque scenery, but if you go as well.

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What?

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Do you know what a Bardolator is?

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I mean, I assume it has to do with the festival, like the Bard.

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Yeah, I guess it's people who are like obsessed with Shakespeare.

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So they're like-

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They're called Bardolators?

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Yeah, they're at the festival, like, year round.

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Isn't that so funny?

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I didn't, I totally like Googled that because I was like, what are Shakespeare people called?

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It wasn't like in the story, but yeah, it was like, I have to know.

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Bardolator.

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So we'll start with a seemingly benign story from a trip advisor comment.

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They say beautiful park haunted, question mark.

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And this was experienced in 2017, September of 2017.

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Okay.

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They say, well, I took my two twin-age daughters here one night.

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I love that twin-age.

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Twin-age?

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I like that.

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They have been on a quest to visit haunted places in Oregon.

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With the apart came up as one.

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We entered the address in the GPS and it took us to the back side of the park.

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It was dark, perfect for ghost hunting.

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Oh, and murder.

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And murder.

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I don't know about that.

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It's funny, you say that.

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We scared ourselves silly, thinking we heard footsteps.

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We didn't make it 20 feet from the car.

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Oh my God.

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The next morning we entered the address again to check it out in the daylight.

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Good idea, daylight's fine.

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Yeah.

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This time.

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Oh, okay.

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It says this time God took us, but I think she meant GPS.

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I must see.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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It says God.

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Okay.

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This time GPS took us to the front side of the park.

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No matter how we tried, we couldn't find the area the GPS took us to the night before.

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The GPS or God or God.

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Maybe God was trying to save you the second time.

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Goodness.

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It is gorgeous park with an interesting history.

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I'm not one to believe in paranormal activity, but this one left me scratching my head.

275
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It was fun though.

276
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And we will be back.

277
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That is weird.

278
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I have had that happen to me.

279
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I don't know if I talked about it.

280
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I think I told you when I went to jury duty, I'd been to the parking lot or the parking garage.

281
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I've had jury duty.

282
00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,600
Okay.

283
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I could not find this fucking parking garage for the life of me.

284
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I had the GPS.

285
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I had the map.

286
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,920
I don't know why, but something was keeping me from the courthouse that day, and I'm just going

287
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to trust it.

288
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It was God.

289
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It's yeah.

290
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:38,720
GPS or God, you know, just depends how, you know, how tight is your keyboard technique.

291
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GPS is God.

292
00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:47,920
In the early 60s, actor Charles Laughton had big dreams of one day playing King Lear.

293
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His dreams finally came true, and he got the part in an Oregon Shakespeare Festival performance.

294
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But he unfortunately passed away before he got the chance to thrive in this once in a lifetime

295
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role.

296
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,160
What?

297
00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,160
Yeah.

298
00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,160
It's really sad.

299
00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,160
Oh.

300
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,880
Now whenever King Lear is put on, phantom footsteps are heard backstage.

301
00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,720
And while the cast rehearses, the shadow of what is believed to be Charles sits in the

302
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audience to watch.

303
00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,160
Oh.

304
00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,960
No doubt ruthlessly critiquing the performance from the beyond.

305
00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,960
Oh.

306
00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,720
I really don't know.

307
00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920
I just assumed because he was like, I would have done it this way, you know?

308
00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,920
Right.

309
00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:28,920
Yeah.

310
00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,920
I mean, that's probably fair.

311
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But I'm sure he also just enjoys the show.

312
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I hope so.

313
00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:39,720
There is a comment on roguefreepress.com from a main name Glen.

314
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He says, I had a fellow who was working at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival box office.

315
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Tell me some more stories about the Elizabethan theater being haunted.

316
00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,800
And that's one of the theaters at the entrance of the park for the festival.

317
00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,800
Oh.

318
00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,320
He used to work as the Night Watchman, the Night Man.

319
00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,320
The Night Man.

320
00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,320
The Night Man.

321
00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,200
And when I kept saying Night Man instead of Night Watch.

322
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,800
What episode was that?

323
00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,800
God, I don't know.

324
00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,640
I think it was the Dead Man's Island Dead Man Island. (It was the Island of Dead Men)

325
00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,640
Oh, maybe.

326
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,640
Dead Man Island?

327
00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,640
I don't know.

328
00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,640
One of those.

329
00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,640
Charlie Day.

330
00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,640
A live and will.

331
00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,560
And he told me that Mr. and Mrs. Bowmer both haunt it.

332
00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:27,320
He said that Mr. Bowmer is quite friendly.

333
00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,840
Though Mrs. Bowmer was a bit of a scold.

334
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,680
Oh.

335
00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:38,640
He also told me that sometimes he could hear children's laughter at night in the theater.

336
00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,920
Oh, interesting.

337
00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,120
You know how I feel about children and their laughter?

338
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,120
Yeah.

339
00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,440
It could be a couple of different things.

340
00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,000
Uh, yeah, we'll get into it.

341
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,800
That's the end of that comment.

342
00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,000
Oh, T.

343
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,000
People say the park has a very discomforting vibe.

344
00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,800
More so at night.

345
00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,800
My footsteps are heard.

346
00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,400
Shadowy figures have been seen darting around in the feeling of being watched.

347
00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,240
Follows you around.

348
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,240
No, thank you.

349
00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:18,520
Well, investigating the park in EVP of an inaudible woman and a man saying, hi, I guess

350
00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,520
he wouldn't say hi.

351
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,520
You'd probably say hi.

352
00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,320
Listen, he can say hi.

353
00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,120
However, he wants.

354
00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,200
Hey, hey, hey girl.

355
00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:35,040
Some YouTube ghost hunters caught that and they have a channel called JL solo TV if you

356
00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,440
want to check that out.

357
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,440
Alrighty.

358
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,760
There have been reports of a light touch being felt on people's arms when no one is there.

359
00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,840
I hate that.

360
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,360
Sometimes when people get home and look at the photos they've taken of the park, they'll

361
00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960
find that they've caught orbs.

362
00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:55,960
Miss.

363
00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,960
Miss.

364
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,960
Miss.

365
00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,600
How about you say it for me?

366
00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,560
You guys know what I'm trying to say.

367
00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,200
And even the occasional Phantom photo bomber.

368
00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,200
Okay.

369
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,480
There were accounts of a full ass person.

370
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,240
No one knew or could recall being in their group photos.

371
00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,240
Okay.

372
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,800
So not a photo bomber.

373
00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:20,800
Not a real one.

374
00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,800
Not a living one.

375
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,800
Yeah.

376
00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:23,800
Yeah.

377
00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,800
Great.

378
00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,000
That's always the craziest fucking thing to me.

379
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,360
And people show up in your group photo and everyone's like, who is that?

380
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,360
I know.

381
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,080
I've never personally had it happen.

382
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,360
I haven't either.

383
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,720
It better not.

384
00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,320
I want to go on the record and say it's freaking better not.

385
00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,320
Okay.

386
00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,600
Knock on some wood.

387
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:55,640
While walking the paths close to the dense wooded area, you might hear a whistling tune

388
00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,760
accompanied by the beat of a jug drifting through the trees.

389
00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,640
Someone playing a jug.

390
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,640
Yeah.

391
00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,880
I'll explain more maybe after I read the rest of this.

392
00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,200
Okay.

393
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:16,920
Then the playful music stops dead and a horrifying male scream rips through the forest.

394
00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,520
I don't really like that.

395
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,520
No one does.

396
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,520
No.

397
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,520
Then the beat drops.

398
00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,520
Exactly.

399
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,200
That's what I was thinking when I didn't.

400
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,400
Oh no.

401
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:33,200
It is said to come from a logger who was sadly killed by a falling tree.

402
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,600
People report to see a lumberjack looking man with an axe who suddenly disappears before

403
00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,840
their eyes.

404
00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,680
I mean, if it weren't for the disappearing, that could just be a hipster.

405
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,360
It could be.

406
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,680
There are some of them there.

407
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,680
Yeah.

408
00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,680
It's like a couple.

409
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,680
Just like a couple.

410
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,680
Okay.

411
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,680
They don't usually carry axes though, you know?

412
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,400
Oh, yeah, I guess.

413
00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,600
Yeah, that's fair.

414
00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:03,160
So the jug thing, it said that he would play it as a musical instrument while he was whistling.

415
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,360
So he would like drum on it, basically.

416
00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:06,360
Yeah.

417
00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:07,360
Yeah.

418
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,560
I kind of was thinking he would like blow it, like blow across it to me.

419
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:11,560
Yeah.

420
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,160
So maybe he did a little bit of that too, but it physically said it, but he was like pounding

421
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,160
on it.

422
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,160
Okay.

423
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,760
I'm doing this till like my tummy.

424
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:19,760
Yeah.

425
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,160
No, I mean, that's a choice.

426
00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,960
That is, that's a choice.

427
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,960
Interesting.

428
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,240
I'm so sorry, everyone.

429
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:34,080
In this next part, there will be some awful terms that I will say one time and give you

430
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960
my peace of mind about them and never say them again.

431
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,960
Okay.

432
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,960
Great.

433
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,520
I don't, I don't even want to say it, but it's part of the story and it's what's out there.

434
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,760
So I just, I want to be able to correct it on my end.

435
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:46,760
Okay.

436
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,240
To say no, no, no, don't say that.

437
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,240
All right.

438
00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,240
No, no, no, no.

439
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,800
No, no, no.

440
00:17:51,800 --> 00:18:00,120
The title of the story in that very old book I was telling you about is called the Hunchback

441
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,880
of Lithia Park.

442
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,720
Clearly, that's very rude and we don't name call around here.

443
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,880
So I'm not going to say that again.

444
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,280
All right.

445
00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,960
This condition is called kyphosis.

446
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,440
It's an abnormal forward curve of the upper spine.

447
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:22,560
It can develop later in life or like in this case, a child can be born with it.

448
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,560
Oh.

449
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:30,600
So in the 20s, a boy was born with this condition into a logging family and I kind of wondered

450
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,880
if it was the lumber jack's son.

451
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,280
Oh, it was killed by the tree.

452
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,960
I don't know.

453
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,120
There wasn't any dates on that.

454
00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,920
So I'm not sure.

455
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:47,200
Anyway, this boy also had another extremely rare condition.

456
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,240
Oh, boy.

457
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,360
Called Hypertrichosis.

458
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:56,400
This causes excessive hair growth on a person's body.

459
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,880
I thought I recognized that.

460
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,840
Oh, boy.

461
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,800
His particular symptoms happen to show up on his face.

462
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,240
Oh, no.

463
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,640
And since humans fucking suck.

464
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,640
Yeah.

465
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,080
They called him the dog face boy of Ashland.

466
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,080
I was going to say that would make him look like like a werewolf.

467
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,080
Yeah.

468
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,360
It's actually, it's known as like werewolf syndrome, which I don't agree with either.

469
00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,960
I don't think people should say that either.

470
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,680
Just call it by its name.

471
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,680
No, it's a medical condition.

472
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,680
Yeah.

473
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,680
That's so sad.

474
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,680
I know.

475
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:31,680
It gets worse.

476
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,680
Oh, great.

477
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,680
He gets a lot worse.

478
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,680
Okay.

479
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,520
And it literally kills me.

480
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:43,200
This poor child had two very visible conditions he was born with.

481
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,240
He didn't have a fucking choice.

482
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,240
Yeah.

483
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,600
And people obviously treated him like the garbage humans that they actually are.

484
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,600
There.

485
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,560
So everyone refers to him with these awful names.

486
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,760
And I'm going to call him Johnny for the rest of the story.

487
00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,760
Oh.

488
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,960
And I wish I knew his real name, but I wanted to honor him the best that I can and just

489
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,160
give him a nice name to call.

490
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,160
Yeah.

491
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,600
And I got like from John Doe.

492
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,480
I don't know his name exactly what I was thinking.

493
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,880
I call him Johnny.

494
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,880
Johnny.

495
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,880
I know.

496
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,400
This next part really kind of makes me think that the lumbejack who passed might have

497
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,720
been his father.

498
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,720
Really?

499
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,720
Yeah, because okay.

500
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:22,720
I'll tell you.

501
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,720
Okay.

502
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,720
Okay.

503
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,720
Please.

504
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,680
And in the stories, there was no mention of his mother either.

505
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960
It was just a father that they mentioned.

506
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,280
Typical.

507
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:38,240
So Johnny had a resort to stealing to get by which makes me think he was alone.

508
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,240
Okay.

509
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,240
Yeah.

510
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,760
Like both of his parents are gone or maybe they even disowned him.

511
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,760
Oh, no.

512
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,760
Yeah.

513
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,040
There's really no way to know.

514
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,640
But either way, clearly this boy was treated poorly by the people in the town.

515
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,800
And of course he had to steal.

516
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,800
Yeah.

517
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,200
Does anyone going to give him a job?

518
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,200
You know?

519
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,920
Or because he's a child maybe just, you know, take care of him.

520
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,920
Yeah.

521
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,760
It makes me really sad.

522
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,080
I hate everything.

523
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,320
It seems like he did try to make money by selling pencils.

524
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,520
Oh, I know.

525
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,520
So awesome.

526
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,640
And that's clearly not going to make enough money to survive off of.

527
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,400
But he was trying.

528
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,400
It was clear.

529
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,400
Yeah.

530
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,160
I mean, yeah, probably not.

531
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,160
Yeah.

532
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,960
Especially when I'm not sure how many people would it even buy from him, you know?

533
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,960
Yeah.

534
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:40,880
He was always seen carrying a gunny sack over his shoulder too.

535
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,000
Probably carrying all the belongings he had in this world with him.

536
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,000
Great.

537
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:53,640
And then in the mid 20s, Johnny suddenly went missing.

538
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Okay.

539
00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:01,600
I don't think he just moved on to a different town, although nobody was found and no one was

540
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,440
ever held accountable.

541
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,880
It's speculated that he was murdered.

542
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,880
Yeah.

543
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:13,800
I mean, it's a fairly rural and rugged place.

544
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,040
And there would certainly be places that you could hide a body.

545
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,040
Yeah.

546
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,040
And I, no one really cared.

547
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,040
I'm sure.

548
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,600
I was just going to say.

549
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,280
I don't know how hard they were really looking.

550
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,280
Yeah.

551
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:34,240
So I was thickening, feeling that this is, you know, the most likely scenario.

552
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Yeah.

553
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:43,000
In the 60s, though, the boy was spotted again, but appearing never to have changed on all

554
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
of those years.

555
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000
Interesting.

556
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,520
The police were called due to a boy attempting to steal from parked cars.

557
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,720
But they were never able to find anyone when they came to check it out.

558
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720
Weird.

559
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,720
Huh.

560
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,920
And I'm not done breaking your heart just yet.

561
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,520
I'm so sorry.

562
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,520
No.

563
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,560
There's one more story of Johnny.

564
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,560
This one's kind of both.

565
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,360
It's like heartwarming and heartbreaking at this.

566
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,360
Okay.

567
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,360
A bittersweet.

568
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,360
Yeah.

569
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,360
That's the words.

570
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,360
Yeah.

571
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,720
At the playgrounds, parents often notice their children playing with someone unseen by

572
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,440
their adult eyes.

573
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,440
I don't care for that.

574
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,040
You might like this one.

575
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:32,400
These kids will describe a new friend in funny clothes, which people think are like older

576
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,400
clothes.

577
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,400
Yeah.

578
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,400
Okay.

579
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,960
Although this new friend doesn't talk, they say he's nice and has a toy train.

580
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,880
But the kids are often confused when they try to play with the toy he offers to share.

581
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,760
And he and the train disappear.

582
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,560
Oh my gosh.

583
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,560
A train.

584
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,560
A train.

585
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Oh, yeah.

586
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,000
He was known to like rob trains too.

587
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Oh.

588
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
So that's interesting.

589
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,960
A lot of train ties here.

590
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,560
Okay.

591
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,840
They also describe him, you know, in their innocent child eyes as having a dog like a

592
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,840
parent.

593
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,840
That's okay.

594
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,840
They're innocent children.

595
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,840
They don't know any better.

596
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,840
Yeah.

597
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,280
I mean, when it's not, there's no malicious intent.

598
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,280
Yeah.

599
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880
And, you know, they say he's nice and they were going to play with him.

600
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,360
So it's not like they were, what's that word we excluding him from the first scare of him?

601
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,360
Yeah.

602
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,320
There's no instinct to, you know, big a tree.

603
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,320
Yeah.

604
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,760
So it seems to me like poor Johnny just wants to play like a normal kid.

605
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,360
He just wants to play with his train.

606
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,160
No, no, no, no other kids and just be happy.

607
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,640
Just playing the train.

608
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,840
The last tale I have is the most common ghostly encounter in Lithia Park.

609
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Oh my god.

610
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,240
No, no.

611
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,440
There's, okay.

612
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,440
There's more.

613
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,680
There's, there's, there are more things.

614
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,680
Okay.

615
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,920
I couldn't find any proof of this in the Google machine.

616
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:09,200
But the legend is a young girl was sexually assaulted and murdered where one of the duck

617
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,240
ponds is now back in the 1800s.

618
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,480
So long time ago, long before the park was there.

619
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,240
Super.

620
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,840
People hear female whispering in their ears and more intensely screaming for help in the

621
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,840
distance.

622
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Okay.

623
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,840
I know.

624
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,160
No, thank you.

625
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,320
When people look for the source of the voice, they find nothing.

626
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,120
And a lot of people who have this experience don't even know of the story of the girl.

627
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,120
Oh boy.

628
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,120
They're quite distraught when they can't find the person I need help.

629
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,120
Yeah.

630
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,880
I would be truly horrified.

631
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,880
Yeah.

632
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,880
That would be awful.

633
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,000
Trama.

634
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,160
She often takes the form of a blue light or mist at the duck pond.

635
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,560
She might follow you around the park and try to get your attention.

636
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,400
That might be the source of like the people hearing the footsteps or feeling like they're

637
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,400
being watched.

638
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,400
Yeah.

639
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,960
That would make that would make sense.

640
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,080
Or even appear in front of cars driving in the area.

641
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:19,080
When the no doubt startled driver hits the blue mist, anyone that's in the car feels a sudden

642
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,800
chill that is gone as fast as the operation.

643
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Okay.

644
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,680
I don't, I don't, I just want to clarify.

645
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,000
I don't like that.

646
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,360
Um, that's like one of my biggest fears of driving alone at night on like a highway is

647
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:39,080
like the, you know, the woman in white or whenever we'll jump in front of your car.

648
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Yeah.

649
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:46,440
Like we need to stop the women in white and the mist.

650
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,440
Yeah.

651
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,440
Okay.

652
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
These are national security threats of the highest order.

653
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,120
It's got to stop.

654
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,280
But since this woman or girl, they, they do describe her as a young girl.

655
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,440
Unfortunately.

656
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,640
Um, she appears as blue.

657
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,440
So they call her the blue girl or the blue lady.

658
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,280
Oh.

659
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Yeah.

660
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,280
That's kind of cute.

661
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,280
It does make me sad though.

662
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Like as much as I, I don't want a ghost to jump in front of my car.

663
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Like she's just, yeah.

664
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,200
It does make me think it's like a residual haunting, maybe where she's.

665
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,200
Yeah.

666
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,600
It's like she's trying to get help.

667
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Yeah.

668
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,520
Hopefully it's not for actual spirit.

669
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,120
It's just what we've talked about before.

670
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,560
Like the impression of what happened.

671
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Yes.

672
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,920
I'm going to go with that.

673
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,920
I hope so.

674
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,320
I'm going to go with that.

675
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,320
Yeah.

676
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Good about that.

677
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,600
So we're going to move on and read some more people's experiences.

678
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280
This is a comment on Oregon haunted houses dot com.

679
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,280
Oh my god.

680
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,280
It's titled creepy.

681
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Oh, perfect.

682
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:51,240
This is from June 2018.

683
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,640
When I went there about a year ago, it was about 12 a.m. or one.

684
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Don't go at night.

685
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280
That's not the, it's danger.

686
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000
It's not the ideal time to visit the end of our day.

687
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
Yeah.

688
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,320
My mom and sister were with me also.

689
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,280
We asked Siri for directions.

690
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,000
Did you ask Siri or did you ask God?

691
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080
It's a really good question.

692
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:23,200
And she gave us directions like normal, but it took us to the back of the part.

693
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Stop it.

694
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,600
This is a different person.

695
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,400
I cannot.

696
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,400
So it definitely was Siri.

697
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,400
Then it wasn't God.

698
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,400
Yeah.

699
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,400
They're both the she.

700
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,320
But when we got out of the car, we heard little footsteps.

701
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,320
No, thank you.

702
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,160
This is literally the same experience.

703
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,680
No, no, thank you, please.

704
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,080
This one has a little more though.

705
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,600
I don't care for it.

706
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,560
And then all of a sudden my sister thought she heard a little girl whisper in her ear.

707
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,160
But what did she say?

708
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:04,040
She said the little girl said something like, hi, or help, which is one of the reports of

709
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,080
the blue mist or whatever whispering in people's ear asking for help.

710
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Are you okay?

711
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Or are you just scared?

712
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,240
No, I am.

713
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,240
I'm fine.

714
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,080
I think your feet need to come up.

715
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Yeah, probably.

716
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,360
They're like hovering closer and closer.

717
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160
She couldn't clearly hear it.

718
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,760
But when we left, it was looking out the window.

719
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Oh, God, I.

720
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Yeah.

721
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Wait, what?

722
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,760
It's like what?

723
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Yes.

724
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:37,840
But when we left, I was looking out the window and saw a little girl wearing a white gown.

725
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,920
I told my mom and sister about it when we got back to the hotel.

726
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,880
My mom and sister also said they saw it too.

727
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Do you think they all just saw it and were like, we can't say anything.

728
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,120
Maybe it'll, maybe it will not be real.

729
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,600
I mean, yeah, I feel like that's exactly what happened.

730
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,520
My mom had the brilliant idea to go back the next day and see if it would take us to the

731
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,920
entrance again or not.

732
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,400
It took us to the main entrance.

733
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,400
Okay.

734
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,360
We were a bit spooked.

735
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Was a little girl still there because then she might be real.

736
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,200
I hope not.

737
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Oh, no.

738
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Yeah.

739
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,200
So that's weird.

740
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,960
It's two different websites, two different people leaving almost the same story except for

741
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960
the first people as soon as they heard the footsteps they loved.

742
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,280
They were like, by, yeah.

743
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,320
So they might have seen a little girl if they stayed.

744
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Okay.

745
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:41,200
I kind of want to go experiment and see where the GPS will take you versus the morning.

746
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
I don't want to get out of my car though.

747
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,200
No.

748
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,480
No, I would turn on my child locks so that you couldn't get out.

749
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:55,480
What if the girl appears in the car and then she can't get out?

750
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080
I mean, she already got in.

751
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120
So I feel like she can get back out.

752
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Like she doesn't need my assistance.

753
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Child locks are not a thing for her.

754
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Not in the ghost world.

755
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,560
No.

756
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:13,160
The next comment is called Ghost Girl in Columbia Hotel, which I forgot to look at how close

757
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,160
that was.

758
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Do you want to Google that real quick?

759
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,160
Yeah.

760
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,160
Columbia Hotel in Ashland.

761
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Okay.

762
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,160
It is 2.2 miles away.

763
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Ooh, okay.

764
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Yeah.

765
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
So this place is pretty close.

766
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:35,040
And their story says, though not technically in Lithia Park, my mother saw a young girl in

767
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,520
an old fashioned dress with bowl cut, dark hair who appeared to her while she was trying

768
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520
to sleep.

769
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Okay.

770
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Listen.

771
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Beauty sleep.

772
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,080
Don't, don't, no.

773
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,440
Don't have kids if you want that.

774
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,440
I mean, aha.

775
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Yeah, tell me more.

776
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Confirm my life choices.

777
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440
We stayed at the Columbia Hotel the night this happened.

778
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:09,320
While my mom was not psychic, she is sensitive to the other side.

779
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,680
The little girl is not likely the ghost from the park.

780
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,720
I haven't heard any other reports of her or any ghost in the Columbia Hotel.

781
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
I disagree.

782
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,720
Okay.

783
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,520
I think it might be her.

784
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Okay.

785
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,520
I don't know.

786
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Then that kind of like makes me think it is like semi-intelligent.

787
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,680
Maybe there's two different.

788
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:37,520
How many ghost children are running around in Ashland?

789
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,280
You guys, I am not okay with that.

790
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,120
I really wanted to go back and visit Ashland.

791
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,680
I love it there.

792
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,120
And now I think during the day time, I find.

793
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Okay.

794
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,440
It's a beautiful park.

795
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,520
I don't think anyone should be deterred from going there in the day.

796
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,520
Right.

797
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,520
But this isn't at the park.

798
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Yeah.

799
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,640
No, that's at the Columbia Hotel.

800
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Maybe it followed them.

801
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200
Maybe it attached to them a little bit.

802
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Okay.

803
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520
I forget sometimes that's it.

804
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,520
That's the thing.

805
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,040
That's the thing.

806
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,600
And do you remember that children's laughter was heard in the theater too?

807
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,600
No.

808
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,800
So that made me think maybe they both the kids are together, you know, messing with the park.

809
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Just having a good old time.

810
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,680
You are single-handedly ruining my life.

811
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,040
I'm so sorry.

812
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,680
Nat.

813
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:34,080
You're like, really bitch.

814
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640
So I have one more story and this one's from Reddit.

815
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,040
It's from What the Fish Sauce?

816
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,440
WTF Fish Sauce.

817
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,520
I like that.

818
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
This is for a year ago.

819
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,960
And people were asking if there was any hauntings in Lithia Park and they say, not sure if

820
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,600
this qualifies or not, I was staying at Lithia Springs Resort, which is really close to the

821
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,600
park as well.

822
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,760
It did look that one up.

823
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,400
It sounds fancy.

824
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
I was having a nice night away with my wife.

825
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,640
She was quietly reading and I was sitting just relaxing with a glass of wine.

826
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,440
That sounds amazing.

827
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040
With the door open watching the scenery.

828
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,640
It is freaking gorgeous there, you guys.

829
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,680
It's so beautiful.

830
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,600
A woman walked up to the small pond and was pouring water on the pond from her cup

831
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,600
tans.

832
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840
So she was like scooping water and pouring it out.

833
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,680
She was strangely graceful and glowing faintly blue.

834
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,080
Like a reflection of moonlight.

835
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,080
That's beautiful.

836
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Yeah, that's beautiful.

837
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Beautiful.

838
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:50,080
Or is she drinking a lot of colloidal silver or either way?

839
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,080
Mom.

840
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Did you watch that documentary?

841
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,080
Yes.

842
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,880
Oh God, that was disturbing as fuck.

843
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Yeah, we're definitely going to talk about that at some point.

844
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,120
They showed a lot.

845
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Yeah.

846
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Yeah, they did.

847
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,120
This was like, that's not real.

848
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,240
I was like, that's literal footage.

849
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:06,240
They talk.

850
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,640
Do you want a fucking bed?

851
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Do you want a fucking bed?

852
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,160
That's fucking real.

853
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,480
That's so funny.

854
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:21,560
We're not used to how much fucking footage there is of shit that's happened like now.

855
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:30,840
If it's happened in the last 10 years, it's, I mean, unsettling.

856
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,840
How much there is sometimes.

857
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,600
But anyways, highly documented.

858
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,600
I like that.

859
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,040
Highly documented.

860
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,840
The water continued to pour from her cup tans as she moved around the pond.

861
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:50,920
I watched her sort of stunned for what felt like minutes and then called for my wife to come

862
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,920
see.

863
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,920
Oh, okay.

864
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,920
Yeah, just tell your wife by even creepily watching this woman.

865
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,920
You can see this hot lady that looks like Moonlight.

866
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Yeah.

867
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,200
My wife was gone.

868
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:12,800
I felt so confused that I woke up where I was sitting in front of the open door later that

869
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,960
night with a glass of wine on the ground.

870
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,000
Exquiz me.

871
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,800
I don't know why I had such a strange connected dream slash hallucination and no memory of being

872
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,880
tired or falling asleep.

873
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,400
So he was literally literally literally literally literally just sitting there watching the

874
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,800
scenery and fell asleep without knowing it and like spilled his wine.

875
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,800
That is wild.

876
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Yeah.

877
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,800
That is wild.

878
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,800
Okay.

879
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Well, I'm done with my story.

880
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
And then with the hour of torture.

881
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,080
I'm just going to sleep.

882
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Are you asleep right now?

883
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Oh, God.

884
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,400
Your wine's on the floor.

885
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Listen, that's the worst part.

886
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,600
It is.

887
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,520
I had a weird dream last night.

888
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,520
It wasn't like this.

889
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Like I knew I was sleeping.

890
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,240
Yeah.

891
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,720
Is it was a sex dream?

892
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:06,720
I wish.

893
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,000
No, it was really cool though.

894
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,880
So I was like in a car watching trees go by as I do when I'm in the car.

895
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Yeah.

896
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,040
And I see all of these birds in the tree, like just tons of them.

897
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,320
And then I'm looking closer in their snowy owls.

898
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,320
Oh my gosh.

899
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:30,040
And then they all just suddenly take off and there's just like swarms of snowy owls just

900
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160
like flying through the sky.

901
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,960
And I'm just like and then I try to take a picture of my camera.

902
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Won't work.

903
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,960
No.

904
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,960
I know.

905
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,960
It's not weird though.

906
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,960
It's like that's really cool.

907
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,800
I want to see a friggin hundred thousand swarming snowy owls.

908
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,280
Your dream just owls.

909
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,280
This was last night.

910
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,280
This was last night.

911
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,040
It was the dream I had like right before I woke up.

912
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,880
So it's the one I remember.

913
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,880
Interesting.

914
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,800
Did you ever remember owls?

915
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,800
I did not.

916
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Owls have significance for me.

917
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,120
So yeah, yeah, we've kind of talked about that before.

918
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Yeah.

919
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,520
You know, my great grandma, she, she was an owl lady.

920
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,520
Yeah.

921
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,520
Yeah.

922
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:19,560
So I started doing some research into doing some goddess work.

923
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:31,000
And I found out that basically the women certainly on my at least maternal side have serious

924
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:38,600
affiliation with everything, like everything, like to Hecate.

925
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Yeah.

926
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Owls.

927
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Owls.

928
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Frogs.

929
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Two black dogs.

930
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
It's so cool.

931
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:53,440
I know there's a lot of other stuff that just kind of pops up and I don't always know the

932
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,360
significance right away, but I'm like, they might not have even known themselves, but they

933
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,360
were witches.

934
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Yeah, definitely.

935
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,360
They were witches.

936
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,360
Most of us are.

937
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,360
Yeah.

938
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,360
Yeah.

939
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Yeah, that's what I'm coming to learn.

940
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,320
Yeah, I feel literally every single person on the earth.

941
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,320
Yeah.

942
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,320
Sorry, not sorry.

943
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,320
Yeah.

944
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,760
Well, should we do some tarot?

945
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,760
Yeah.

946
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Yeah, let's do some tarot.

947
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Let's see what we get.

948
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,920
I'm excited.

949
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,920
Me too.

950
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920
Tare it.

951
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:33,920
As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.

952
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,800
So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.

953
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,240
Let's show them some love.

954
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:48,120
You can find their info in our show notes.

955
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Welcome to Murder and Mimosas.

956
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,560
I'm Shannon and I'm Danica.

957
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Together as a mother and daughter duo, we host Murder Mimosas.

958
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,280
True Cran podcast with an episode released every Saturday at 10 a.m. so you can listen to

959
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
it during prime brunch time.

960
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,680
While we don't require a Mimosa, we do highly recommend one.

961
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,760
All of our episodes are cases that we found really interesting or just really stuck with

962
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,680
us because we hope we'll do the same for you.

963
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,520
You can listen to us on Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

964
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
You guys were bad.

965
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,480
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

966
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,600
Well, of course.

967
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,400
We did a shuffle this one real good because it's new.

968
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Yes.

969
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,400
It is.

970
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Okay, here.

971
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Why don't you give them a little?

972
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Give them a little love.

973
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Love.

974
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,200
All right.

975
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,240
Which deck do you want to do first?

976
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,840
Did you shuffle this one yet?

977
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,440
No, I'll shuffle that one.

978
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,640
And I'll pull from this one while you're shuffling.

979
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,640
All right.

980
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,040
That's our new deck.

981
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,360
It's Tarottorial.

982
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,320
Real because we are learning.

983
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,320
Terrotorial.

984
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,320
Get it.

985
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,320
I do.

986
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Woo!

987
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:19,920
I got the three of cups in reverse, which off the bat is interesting because they were three

988
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,920
ghosts.

989
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,920
Oh.

990
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,000
I almost stuck this in the incense holder.

991
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
You shouldn't.

992
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,800
I didn't.

993
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
I know.

994
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Seven of swords.

995
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,800
Oh my gosh.

996
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,640
It's like cute little fox.

997
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Oh.

998
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,240
It's not a fox, but it's not like it looks like one.

999
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,240
Yeah.

1000
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,240
I think that's a weasel.

1001
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:42,240
Yeah.

1002
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,760
How's the eggs?

1003
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,600
So five of swords, it was in reverse.

1004
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Was it in reverse or was it upright?

1005
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,200
It was upright.

1006
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Oh, boy.

1007
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Yes.

1008
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,200
And this was in reverse.

1009
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Yes.

1010
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Three of cups in reverse.

1011
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,960
The three of cups on the tutorial card says friendship, community, support, happiness,

1012
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,360
and celebration.

1013
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,560
And that's for the upright.

1014
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,360
And then for the reverse, you turn it over and it has different words.

1015
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Ooh.

1016
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Yeah.

1017
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,760
Overindulgence, isolation, gossip, enough there.

1018
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,760
Ooh.

1019
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,360
They're dancing in a literal fucking park.

1020
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Oh my goodness.

1021
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,160
They are.

1022
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,880
Isn't that crazy?

1023
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,880
That is.

1024
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,880
Okay.

1025
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,520
I'm going to read the interpretation.

1026
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,760
Our keywords are essentially all the same.

1027
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,360
I don't know if you mentioned community.

1028
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Yeah, I think it said community.

1029
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Okay.

1030
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,720
That was the only one that stuck out that I thought maybe was different.

1031
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,400
So the upright is like what the park should be.

1032
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
The reverse is like kind of the hauntings.

1033
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,160
There's an extra excerpt.

1034
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Let's map.

1035
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,080
The three graces.

1036
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:02,720
Speak mythology speaks of three goddesses of joy, charm, and beauty known as the graces.

1037
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:09,400
The three of cups remind us of the famous painting Primavera.

1038
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Ooh, is that Italian?

1039
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,560
By the Renaissance Italian painter, Sandro Botticelli.

1040
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Wow.

1041
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,760
We talked about the Italian.

1042
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Yeah.

1043
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,760
What's it called?

1044
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,760
Founded.

1045
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:30,840
Do you like how I sound like I'm doing an ad for Chef Boyardee?

1046
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,880
Which shows these three beautiful young deities dancing together.

1047
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,680
When reversed, the three of cups can indicate indulgence in food or drink.

1048
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Too much partying.

1049
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Perhaps you feel weary from too much interaction with other people and need some downtime.

1050
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,360
This card gets me.

1051
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Maybe you had too much interaction with ghosts and you just need some downtime.

1052
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Yeah.

1053
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,400
Or you've become disenchanted with your friends.

1054
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:13,480
In some cases, it shows a longing for friendship or sense of community.

1055
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,200
Oh, Johnny.

1056
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Johnny.

1057
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:30,520
In a reading about money rewards, excuse me, rewards from a group effort may be delayed

1058
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,360
or not as great as you'd hoped.

1059
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:40,680
This card can also warn of overextending yourself financially or counting your chickens

1060
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,680
before they're hatched.

1061
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Oh.

1062
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Interesting.

1063
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,760
It's interesting, too, because I kind of came across the park.

1064
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,120
I think now they have that resort, but I think the plan for the actual park, they wanted it

1065
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,800
to be a health retreat because of the springs.

1066
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Oh, interesting, but it didn't happen.

1067
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,320
If the reading is about your job, the reversed three suggests your success comes in small

1068
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,960
ways rather than grand ones or a victory may seem hollow.

1069
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,800
Perhaps you don't feel as happy with your job or the result of a project as you'd expected

1070
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,800
to be.

1071
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,760
Like, maybe you wanted it to be a resort or maybe a tree fall on you.

1072
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,760
Could be that.

1073
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,760
Oh, boy.

1074
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:37,880
Oh, or if like the Johnny was trying to sell pencils and stuff, I don't know how to relate

1075
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,880
to that, too.

1076
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,880
Could be.

1077
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Yeah.

1078
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:50,200
In a reading about love, the three reversed shows you may feel left out, discouraged or lonely.

1079
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Perhaps you've grown and your lover/loved ones haven't kept up.

1080
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:03,320
In some cases, this card can mean a primary partnership takes up all your time and you don't

1081
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,000
get to see friends as much as you'd like.

1082
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Maybe you don't have any.

1083
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Maybe you try to make friends and then you disappear because you don't have enough energy.

1084
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,160
That's a possibility as well.

1085
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,840
I feel like also the girl might maybe she's trying to make friends, too.

1086
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,840
I don't know.

1087
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,800
Yeah, it could be.

1088
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,840
I feel like a lot of that was feeling like it tied back to Johnny for me.

1089
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,840
Yeah, mostly.

1090
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,840
You might be right.

1091
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,840
I think it's a lot of that.

1092
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,840
I think so too.

1093
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,840
Yeah.

1094
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Okay.

1095
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,840
So we have the seven of swords and that's in the upright.

1096
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Yes.

1097
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,840
Okay.

1098
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Did I, I think I said five of swords to begin with?

1099
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,840
I don't know.

1100
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,840
I meant seven if I said five.

1101
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,840
Forgive me.

1102
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,840
I think you said seven.

1103
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,840
I issue a formal apology if I said five.

1104
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,280
Apology not accepted.

1105
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,280
Good.

1106
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Okay.

1107
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:13,280
Anyway, keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning and strategy.

1108
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Some decks, including the writer, weight Smith, Aquarian and Guilded Taro, show a man carrying

1109
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,880
away five swords.

1110
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,080
The fact that you said you thought you said five.

1111
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,840
And this is a man carrying five swords.

1112
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,840
Oh, yeah.

1113
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,840
And the deck.

1114
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:39,140
Oh boy, when this card appears, it suggests you're facing a challenge or problem and must

1115
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:42,840
use caution to overcome potential danger.

1116
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Yeah, all three of them, yeah.

1117
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Yeah.

1118
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:54,880
The upright seven suggests a tricky situation in which things are not completely clear,

1119
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,200
like if your body is missed.

1120
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:05,720
Or if you, like we can't, I can't find any proof of the murder of the girl, you know?

1121
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:06,720
Yeah.

1122
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,760
I mean, I searched murdered girl, Ashland 1800s and nothing came up.

1123
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,320
I don't know what else I could search.

1124
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,320
Yeah, that's so hard.

1125
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,320
Yeah.

1126
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,320
Interesting.

1127
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:24,920
You may be formulating a plan, but don't have all the information you need, which, yeah.

1128
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,920
Wow.

1129
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,920
All right.

1130
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,440
For the plan, maybe risky and good backfire.

1131
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:38,480
This card can represent seraptitious action and advises diplomacy.

1132
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,600
What a seraptitious man.

1133
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,240
Kind of seraptitious.

1134
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:44,240
Yes.

1135
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,240
Yes.

1136
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:49,880
So always put syrup on your pancakes and that's that.

1137
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,880
Seraptitious.

1138
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:59,200
I always think of it as being like kind of under the surface, you know, sort of discreet.

1139
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Okay.

1140
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,040
That makes sense.

1141
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,280
We can look it up.

1142
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,960
In a reading about money, the seven warns that you probably shouldn't go ahead with a financial

1143
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,080
idea or investment you're considering.

1144
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,080
Oh my god.

1145
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,480
I just had a flash of something.

1146
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,480
What?

1147
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:25,160
I wonder if Johnny was asking like for a job or asking to, I don't know for something from

1148
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,760
some people and they got mad.

1149
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,760
Yeah.

1150
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760
Maybe.

1151
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Or he was just like, you know, trying to steal from them, which could be that's a possibility

1152
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,520
too.

1153
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,520
But I don't know.

1154
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,520
I just like popped in my head as soon as you said that.

1155
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,360
Oh, Johnny, let us know.

1156
00:49:42,360 --> 00:50:02,640
If the reading is about your job, this card says don't engage in direct confrontation.

1157
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,280
Work behind the scenes to get results.

1158
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,480
That's that Seraptitious.

1159
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,680
Oh, the upright seven can also indicate restlessness.

1160
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,440
Perhaps your job lacks the diversity or stimulation you desire.

1161
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Selling pencils isn't stimulating.

1162
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,080
And it says consider making a change or the lumberjack like don't cut.

1163
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Yeah.

1164
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Like own own the what's it called lumber mill or whatever and send the other people out

1165
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,720
to do the trees.

1166
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,720
Yeah.

1167
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:42,720
It's like indirect contact contact with the tree.

1168
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,720
Yeah.

1169
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,360
Oh boy.

1170
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:53,520
In a reading about love, your advice to seek compromise and use diplomacy rather than arguing

1171
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,520
with a partner, but don't just go along to get along.

1172
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,240
Sometimes this card shows leaving a relationship that doesn't meet your intellectual or spiritual

1173
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,240
needs.

1174
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,640
This is a little chilling.

1175
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,640
There's an extra excerpt.

1176
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Okay.

1177
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,800
Focus.

1178
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Be focused and thorough in planning your strategy.

1179
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:25,360
As Barbara Moore writes in the Guilted Terror Companion, be on guard or one of those swords

1180
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,880
he left behind will find its way into his back.

1181
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,120
Like a wow.

1182
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,840
Like a tree falling in the forest.

1183
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Or back stabbing asshole communities.

1184
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,680
Or maybe the little girl trusted someone she shouldn't have.

1185
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,680
Oh no.

1186
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,680
All of it.

1187
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,920
I think all of it relates to all.

1188
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,600
It's crazy that there's three people dancing in a park.

1189
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Like I can't.

1190
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Yeah.

1191
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,600
Yeah.

1192
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,440
I I simply calmed.

1193
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,080
And it's like they're in the upside down, you know, like the under underworld.

1194
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,080
You know, the upside down.

1195
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Oh.

1196
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,400
No, I hate it.

1197
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,400
Wow.

1198
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,400
I hate really.

1199
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,400
That's really cool though.

1200
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,400
Yeah.

1201
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,840
I'm like, that's really cool that they related to the story, which is the point of this whole

1202
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,840
thing.

1203
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,640
I don't give a sip.

1204
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Yeah.

1205
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,640
But you can't really read it.

1206
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,640
That's what they say.

1207
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,280
Also, don't give a sip.

1208
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,720
We're going to wash our fingerprints and chapstick prints off of these and then we'll

1209
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,360
take a picture of them.

1210
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Maybe we'll leave it dirty.

1211
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,280
We're real and dirty people.

1212
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,560
I didn't brush my teeth today.

1213
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:38,560
That's not true.

1214
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,560
You've brushed them now.

1215
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,800
I just smell my breath the entire episode.

1216
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,800
How's your pop filter?

1217
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Stanky?

1218
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,800
It's not great.

1219
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,800
All right.

1220
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,600
No, it's fine.

1221
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,200
We give it a fabreezer.

1222
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Oh, did you want to show off our prize?

1223
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Yeah, I think so.

1224
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,120
I think we already did show, but we are using the.

1225
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,120
We did show.

1226
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,320
Yeah, we did a little video of us opening it.

1227
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Oh, right.

1228
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,320
Okay.

1229
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,320
We should probably tell them what we're talking about.

1230
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Our gift that we won from through the veil.

1231
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,560
We're using the incense.

1232
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,920
We got the little salinite.

1233
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Salinite.

1234
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,920
Stick.

1235
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,320
We were going for sort of a foresty theme here.

1236
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,880
And this is one that has all of the elements engraved into it.

1237
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Spirit, water, fire, earth, and air.

1238
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,840
It's perfect.

1239
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,440
All those things are in the park, I assume.

1240
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Yeah.

1241
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,840
That sounds about right.

1242
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Fire, I'm not sure, but I'm sure that they have a fire somewhere.

1243
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Well, they have forest fires.

1244
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,320
Maybe not that kind of fire.

1245
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,720
Well, listen.

1246
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,320
Maybe the Shakespeare plays have some fire.

1247
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,320
Yeah, maybe.

1248
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,320
Well, fast.

1249
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,280
So we brought this tree.

1250
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,280
It's humongous.

1251
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,760
It really, it's taken on quite a life of its own.

1252
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,760
It's beautiful.

1253
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,760
Yeah.

1254
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,760
Did you tell them what it was from?

1255
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,760
I haven't.

1256
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,760
No.

1257
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,160
My mom was very, very jealous.

1258
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,560
And I don't know how this happened.

1259
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,560
I don't.

1260
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,560
I don't.

1261
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,200
I don't keep plants alive just historically.

1262
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:28,160
But this plant came from a trimming of one of my grandmother's plants.

1263
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,520
My cousin created, I don't know, however, propagated them.

1264
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,520
Yeah.

1265
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,800
That's the word propagated.

1266
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Propagated them for several of us because now our maternal grandmother is gone and we

1267
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,640
have we have the plant.

1268
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,640
So sweet.

1269
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Yeah, my mom's going to be super pissed when she sees it in this video because she's going

1270
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,480
to be like, first of all, why is your closet door open?

1271
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,480
Oh, well.

1272
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:03,680
We're human, but hers is, it's looking pretty shrimpy.

1273
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Oh, yeah.

1274
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,200
You wonder why?

1275
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Well, she keeps it by a cold sliding glass door is the argument that we have made.

1276
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,720
Maybe give it a little heater.

1277
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:23,240
I mean, maybe just like put it up away from the cold glass in the winter.

1278
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,040
There's a lot of solutions.

1279
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:31,840
It needs some, you know, like indirect sunlight, but it doesn't mean it has to sit by cold

1280
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,840
glass.

1281
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Yeah, that would make sense because I had mine by my window upstairs and, I mean, it wasn't

1282
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,600
very warm up there.

1283
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,200
I think I kept the heater vent closed and it didn't do great.

1284
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,280
I still do have like a clipping from it that keeps growing.

1285
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,280
It's probably about this long now.

1286
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,280
Not from hers.

1287
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,280
It's a different one.

1288
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,280
A different one.

1289
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,280
Yeah.

1290
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,280
Same type of plant.

1291
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,280
Yeah.

1292
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,280
Different plant.

1293
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,280
Yeah.

1294
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,280
But yeah, it didn't do good next to the window.

1295
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,800
So maybe next time I'll put it somewhere else.

1296
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,960
You know what's really interesting is I took this to my old office and I had it on the corner

1297
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:11,800
of my desk and I was trying to get sunlight out of the one window.

1298
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:17,640
And then when it started to warm up, I moved her and she was sitting in there and my office

1299
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,720
always got like that warm afternoon sun.

1300
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,800
Oh, so it like she's a little bit of warmth.

1301
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,800
She's sprouting up.

1302
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,800
Nice.

1303
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,800
Good to know.

1304
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,800
Good to know.

1305
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:29,800
Plant tips with Caitlin.

1306
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,800
Who would have sunk?

1307
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,960
I mean, I don't know any.

1308
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,960
She's a green witch.

1309
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,960
Yeah.

1310
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,800
She don't even know which I guess I don't maybe these vines are so long.

1311
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,800
They are.

1312
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,800
I can't believe it.

1313
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Do you see them?

1314
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,800
They're down here.

1315
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,800
Yeah.

1316
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,800
Oh my god.

1317
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Yeah, you can.

1318
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,800
It wraps around the table.

1319
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,800
It's wild.

1320
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,800
It's gold.

1321
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,800
It's gold.

1322
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,800
Should we do the thing?

1323
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Let's do our thing.

1324
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,800
Okay.

1325
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,800
Have a pre-cast day.

1326
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,800
See you next Tuesday.

1327
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,800
See you next Tuesday.

1328
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,800
Unless you get lost in a Shakespeare play.

1329
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,800
Oh.

1330
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,800
I didn't realize that was a possibility.

1331
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,800
I have to go.

1332
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,800
I have to go.

1333
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,800
What's the thing where he holds the skull?

1334
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,800
To be or not to be?

1335
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:18,800
There's no question.

1336
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:19,800
It's not to be.

1337
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,800
No question.

1338
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,800
I have to go.

1339
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Bye.

1340
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Bye.

1341
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Time's scared of fire and loud boom, boom.

1342
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,060
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