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Welcome to another episode of Pop Culture Junkie. I'm Olivia here with my fellow Junkies.

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Nicole. And Shauna, I realize I sing that every week. It's Shauna. It's Shauna.

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I like your flare. Thank you. When I was a bartender years ago in college and when it was my shift

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the DJ, I would play that clip from Ferris Bueller's Day off, where she's like, "Well, my name,

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some people call me Shauna." The song background goes, "Shauna, Shauna." So,

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I would just hang up to everybody. I do. It's my husband singing it. Not really. He's just

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snorting and farting. Like the voice in your head is Andrew singing it to you.

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Or are you impersonating it or is he singing it? Do you like how none of those options where he's actually

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literally was like, "Wait, that's not what I said." The answer to that is, yes.

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I love that for you. I love that for you. So, I think that really enlightening song.

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What have we been obsessed with this week? Okay. So, I have been... I don't want to say

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Benjing. I can't say Benjing because it's just a week-to-week show. It's called Shogun. And it's on

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Hulu. I'm going to try my best with these names. Please excuse my whiteness. It stars Hiruki Senata,

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Anna Saiwae, and Cosmo Jarvis, which is the funniest fucking name I've ever heard in my life.

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I use Jarvis AI. Yeah. Cosmo Jarvis is not a porn star name. This is an actual actor.

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Sounds like AI written. Well, that's because you're thinking of Jarvis from...

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No. From Marvel. Tony's like AI assistant is named Jarvis. You know more about Marvel than you

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thought you did. It's deep in there. It's deep in the time. It's deep in the time. Okay. So, Show Gun

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is set in Japan in the year 1600. Lord Yoshi Tara Naga is fighting for his life. He's part of a

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council of regents. Cosmo Jarvis's character is named John Blackthorn. He is a pirate. He's trying

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to disguise himself as a traitor. Trader, not traitor. He trades things. Oh. He's a traitor.

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People think he's a traitor. Okay. It's very similar to that movie starring Tom Cruise

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back in the day. Oh gosh. Last samurai. Oh god. But this is an incredible show. I'm going to chew my

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own horn for two seconds and it's going to be really annoying. I've been to Japan twice. I love

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Japanese culture. I do think that they're doing a really good job staying true, like culturally.

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I'm learning a lot of words in Japanese that I didn't know before, which is funny.

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I'm having a hard time understanding how you just compared it to the Tom Cruise lusts.

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I know. So apparently this show is based on a true story. In the beginning, I felt like this

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is going to be whitewashing Japanese history a lot. But I don't feel like that show is doing this.

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So, John Blackthorn's character is an on-gen, which is pilots. So he's relating to their culture.

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When they first find him, he keeps calling them barbarians. He's totally against Japanese culture.

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He doesn't know anything. Spoiler alert. He ends up falling for one of the women. He ends up

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getting accepted into their culture. Lord Yoshi takes him in as a student. It seems like he's

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going to get to know Japanese culture in a very deep and meaningful way. So I think that it's

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more respectful that the Tom Cruise movie. And I did keep saying to my husband we first watch the

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show. If this white man is the main character of this show, I'm going to be so fucking pissed

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because that is going to be just so whitewashing. And he is one of the main characters. But I do feel

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like Lord Yoshi is the main character that we're kind of following. And so I'm really enjoying it so

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far. It's got great visuals, great action. I don't know. I'm going to pop show gun. I'm only

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four episodes in now. What's it on? It is on. Hello. Oh, I really I'm healing. What have you guys been watching?

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So I don't know if you guys have seen quiet on set. Yeah. Oh my god, not yet. But I've seen you posting

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about it. Okay. Trigger warning. This is a very complex topic. And quiet on set is an expose

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documentary about Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon as a whole. This has been kind of a very

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popular topic that we have seen kind of in the last like five years talking. It was post me to

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movement. I really feel where people started to look back at the abuse that was happening. Like the

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child star started to look backwards and say, okay, I don't necessarily think what happened to me

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was great. And they wanted to start looking back at it. Amanda Bines is a giant topic of discussion

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throughout this. It's four episodes. So it's on HBO Max. It is also on ID if you are still a cable

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pair. Totally. You know, love that for you. One of the best expose documentaries that I have seen,

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I think for them to take on this subject was really, really complex. Now what is crazy about this

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documentary is Drake Bell did an interview. And Drake Bell was very famous when I was growing up.

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So I grew up in the Amanda show era. I was kind of on my way out of Nickelodeon and like Disney

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channel right at that time where Drake and Josh probably like right as that was the same ending.

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I love to Amanda show but Drake and Josh was like this. Those were the last of my child stars.

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I love Josh peg. Yeah, I used to have a big giant crush on Drake Bell when I was younger. And he

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doesn't interview. And one of the crazy parts that if you follow the dance Shinder story you've seen

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is there was a vocal coach on the set of Nickelodeon that got convicted of sexually assaulting a child.

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And they never knew who it was. The person never came forward. It was never disclosed but he got

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16 months in jail which is terrible. What do you mean? Yeah, that's disgusting. He never came out

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until now. And he does this interview talking about what happened to him and all of this stuff.

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And I don't know if it was okay. So you're saying that Drake Bell came out as the plaintiff

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and before he was anonymous, right? Yes, he was 15. Got it. When the charges against Brian

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Pegg happened. No relation to Josh. Correct. Yes. And so he also worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He

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has been seen around a lot of child stars. She says the really, really uncomfortable videos of him

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like rubbing all over Leo when he's also that age range. Drake Bell is quoted saying that

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they want him to talk about what happened to him and their whatever you want to talk about. It's

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totally fine. He says, imagine the worst thing you could ever imagine happening in a sexual assault.

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That happened. And they they show a little bit of like the charges against it. And they talk a little

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bit about how when he goes in to give his statement at sentencing, the entire courtroom is filled with

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all of these stars like James Marston is there. I can't even remember who Ellis is on there because

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it's just so atrocious. Yeah. But he talks a little bit about his speech and he basically says,

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you will all have to sit with the memory of you defending this man. And I will have to live the

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experience with this trauma did. And that you all sat here and tried to get him a lesser sentence.

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And he did get a lesser sentence. He got 16 months and right after getting out of prison, he started

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working on his sweet life as Akhen Cody. He treated him to the Disney Channel. And the craziest

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thing about this is up until this situation happened. It's actually like because of this man. Now

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child predators can't work on sets where children are. And that just happened in 2015. You said,

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it was like, I'd never know. It was even after that. That's just out of the law before. And they talk a lot

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about Jan Schneider. I think they couldn't really talk about the accusations of him also participating

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in things like that because they couldn't, they would have be seen. Yeah, their accusations.

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Yeah, but they do talk about him like abusing people. And the reason that they ultimately fired him

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from Nickelodeon was during the Me Too movement. And he was creating an abusive set for people. And he

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ended up departing it. And they talk a lot about that, but they don't really go into like the

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rumors around Amanda Bines. Like they touch on it. They say that was some weird behavior. But

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yeah. And they touch on how uncomfortable it was. And I mean, we all saw the TikToks last year with

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the compilations of Ariana when she was on. Yeah, yeah. They have the Ariana clips in there. Yeah.

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Yeah, if you just type Dan Schneider creepy Ariana videos, they'll pull them right up there.

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Just stir big. Yeah. And you know, I do want to say that like Drake Bell has gone through his own

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legal issues. He was arrested for attempted endangering of a child in disseminating matter,

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harmful to juveniles. So that none of this is to say, oh, any of that exonerates him.

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That's how it happened to you. And then you can turn around and do exactly. It's just this

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disgusting cycle of what was happened to you. Abused people abuse. And that's not an excuse for him

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at all. Because that's disgusting. But it's just sad as eye opening. Like we've had episodes before

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about child stars, especially Nickelodeon and Disney stars. And they seem so happy at the time.

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And they create this illusion like when you're watching it. Oh, I wish I could be on Nickelodeon. I

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wish I was on Disney. And now years later now that we're all adults in kind of the same age.

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How famous occurs how it really was. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Interesting. Where can we watch that?

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Was it a show? Is it a show? It's a four-part docu-series. Amazing, amazing, amazing show.

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Gonna give it a whirl. I don't think I've loved a documentary that much since like going clear.

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Which is also an HVU. Gonna give it a try. Do it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it.

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Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it.

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Kind of backpilling on that before I go into my Janet McCurdy in her book. Yes. Mm-hmm.

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I'm glad my mom died. She even talks about Dan Schneider and how he abused her. Abused her.

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Abused her. Yes. Thank you. And she kind of talked about it before. This old docu-series came out and

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she was the not the first one, but wanted to become very vocal about him before. I feel like maybe

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a lot of others because she just didn't care anymore. She wanted to get the word out. She was comfortable

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enough to talk about it. And it's just crazy that he was on sets in the head of Nickelodeon for so long

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and abusing so many children for so long. Yeah. And it just sliding under the rug for so long.

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And it's disgusting. I think that she really was able to just highlight like how insidious. Yeah.

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That was to her psyche. I still remember that vine that she made where she she like has this crazy

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makeup and she's like laying on the ground and she says do you see what you've done to me, Dan Schneider?

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What? It's like a print today. I think I'd be there. Wow. Yeah. I was just fine to impose it.

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I love vine. All right. Keep vine. Back in the day. Back in the day. Back in the trenches of the

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old memory bank. I quote vine. They just come out every once in a while. They're in there. They're

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deep in there. All right. What have you been watching Nicole or listening to Obsess with?

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I watched a movie called The Hill on Netflix. It stars Dennis Quaid and Colin Ford.

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It came out in 2023 and it is an American biographical sports drama. And it is about a baseball

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player Ricky Hill overcoming a physical handicap in order to try out for a legendary Major's league scout.

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I feel like I've heard of Ricky Hill before. It is a true story. It's based on a true story. And

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he has a spinal condition to where it makes him. It's hard for him to walk. It's hard for him to

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use his legs. So he has these casts on his legs. And so obviously with baseball, you have to run

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bases. You have to field the ball and everything like that. And Dennis Quaid in this movie is a

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pastor at a church. And Colin Ford, who is the baseball player Ricky Hill, he loves baseball.

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He wants to become a professional baseball player. But Dennis Quaid is pastor James Hill is not for

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this because he believes that it's kind of just going to injure him more and just doesn't think that

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it's good for him. But Ricky is all for it because he knows his ability. He believes in himself and

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wants to pursue this. So there's the living in this little town and scouts come and Ricky kind of

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goes behind his dad's back and goes and tries out for these scouts. And he makes it because he hits the

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ball so far. He hits it way over the fence and onto this other field where the scouts are and the

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scouts are just impressed. They get hit in the head. They literally almost do. So the scouts are

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impressed and they want to see him try out more. Long story short, kind of a spoiler alert. He does

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make it. Oh my god. He does. I'm shocked. Yeah. And Pastor James Hill does not support. He does not

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come to any single one of his games, which makes Ricky a little bit sad. But Daddy Dennis. I know.

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Daddy Pastor Dennis. Oh god. If I ever say Daddy Pastor again, please, unalive me.

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But it's a really good movie. It's really cute. Again, it is actually pretty uplifting.

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Uplifting sports movies remind me of Unicorn. Yeah. That's my jam. I know that anything sports are

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now airplanes. I can rock. So I would definitely pop it. It is on Netflix again. Again, Dennis Quaid.

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I am obsessed with him ever since the parent trap, which is my favorite movie. If we didn't know,

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I think I mentioned that before that of after tomorrow. But I love that. Have you been loving all the

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parent trap Lindsey Lohan Contest? Yes. The Lohan sauce. Are we getting another one?

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No, but she did say that she's going to do another freaky Friday or Angelina. Yes.

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And then why is she also doing because it's the Lohan sauce, Olivia. I want more. Okay. So,

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Olivia and I tried watching that Lindsey Lohan Christmas movie that came out of you a couple of

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years ago. The one where she gets like a concussion. Yes. It's so bad. I don't think I

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watched it. We finished it. We ended up on mute. We ended up on mute and just taking shots when things

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happen. We were like, okay, we're going to put it on mute and then we're going to guess what's

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happening. We kept watching and we kind of like filled in the lines for like, oh my god. I'm

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my memory is coming back. That's what funny. We got a safe Christmas. And then we would take shots.

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And it was a great movie at that point. That's funny. But I am very happy for Lindsey. I am too.

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Speaking of Lindsey, I just want to pop one more thing actually. I did watch the new Mean Girls.

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I love Renee rap. Actually, because of Renee rap, I'm going to pop it. She is a hottie. Yes.

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And I'm obsessed with her. So I'm going to pop it. It is a musical, which I knew going into it. But

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before it coming out, I did not know it. I knew it because of the people coming out of the theaters.

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Yeah. They've seen it on the Broadway musical. Yes. So it was pretty good. I cannot think of his name,

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but the original principal in it and Tina Fey, isn't it? Yeah. They're married in it.

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Yeah. It's really cute. And then is it like a continuation? It's not. It's a whole new movie,

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but it's literally a remake of it. So the entire world universe, no, the entire movie is set up

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the same way as the first movie. And spoiler alert, I did not know this going into it.

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I'm spoiling it. Lindsay Lohan does make an appearance. Yeah. I didn't know either. She is the judge

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at the math competition. Oh my gosh. And I started freaking out. Yeah. So in the version that you watched,

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did they have the firecrotch joke? Oh, I don't know. Okay. They took it out because people were like

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in an upper and Lindsay Lohan ended up being like, I don't like that you made a joke at my expense

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in a movie that I'm also literally. I don't know. I have to. I'm not going to go back and watch it

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for that. I would. I don't know. I think they took it out of the rental. Yeah. I don't care. I don't

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know what kind of little jokes they see those movies from back in the day and some of them are still

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they hold up. And then you rewatch some movies and you're like, oh god, this would never get made

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today. Oh my god. They can't say that. No, it's basically all the same. It's a mean girl's.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then Busy Phillips is Regina George's mom. She looks just like Renee Rap. Yeah.

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Anytime I see her, I'm like, she looks like Busy Phillips. They did a very good job on

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making those two together. I love that. I'm going to have to give that a whirl.

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On the note of the little Hannah signs, when I think of Lindsay Lohan, one of my favorite versions

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of her is her during her Samantha Ronson era, more specifically her in a breakup.

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And I'm really curious. Like what celebrity breakup sticks out in your mind the most as I guess

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iconic is a is a wrong word, but to kind of go from last week's episode, like what perpetually is

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your in a mind as the most crazy chaotic celebrity breakup? It's funny that celebrity breakups

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are such pop culture. It's like we are all so obsessed. We love seeing people in love, but then

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when they break up, it's almost like we eat it up even more. We get so shocked. But at the same time,

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are you really that shocked? I don't know. I feel like some of these have been like, oh my god,

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let me clutch my pearls. I thought that love is forever. And then some of them, you go, yeah,

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of course they fucking broke it. I also think it's like everyone around you is just that hot.

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How do you know? Everyone's hot. Everyone's rich. How do you know?

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Yes, especially if you're an actor like and we're kissing and you're attractive. Oh my god,

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I can't help that. I was just thinking about that. Okay, so I just started poor things last night.

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through. My husband has no interest in watching it. So when he was gone yesterday, I got halfway

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through and they have some pretty like hardcore sex scenes in this movie. I've heard that.

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Yeah. I saw the same incident on Switzerland. Yeah, I won't. So far, it's interesting.

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But I'm thinking how do they film these without getting just so like shy and self-conscious?

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Because they are naked and humping and they're going to fall for each other. They have to look at

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the room. Look at that. Look at the real. Oh my god. Shout out to the sex scenes in the room.

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How could they not fall for each other after that?

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Fuck all of the. Oh,

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flashback to Greg Sisterro and his interview with me saying that he had to do the dub for the

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sex scenes and it was just him and a microphone having to go. Oh.

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We really put his heart into it. Oh yeah.

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Anyway, thank you for that. You're welcome. You're welcome. A little ASMR. My favorite celebrity

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freaked out because both of these, okay, first of all, this is one of my guilty pleasure favorite

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movies. I love Twilight. It's so bad that I've been loving. It's all of those movies are so bad.

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And I hadn't watched any of them until just like the last two years. And they're so bad that

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they're incredible. I say that the best movies to watch when you're hungover because your brain

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isn't like working and it's normal. So the pace of the movie and just the overall acting

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becomes much more tolerable. I'm putting like, yeah, it's also good. Like on my phone movie,

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where I have big screen and little screen time. Oh, geez.

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Great. I love you. It needs all the screens to make it through one day of functioning.

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You never know. I feel bad. We're going to freak you with it. We live alone. We live alone. She needs

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all of the voices at all times. So one of my favorite celebrity breakups is Kristen Stewart and

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Robert Pattinson. That is an iconic. It's an iconic breakup. So they first kind of sparked dating rumors

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when they were in those first couple Twilight movies together. They did their best to deny that

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they were dating. Oh, we're just friends. We're just friends. They won an MTV VMA award for best

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kiss. And they kind of tease like they were about to kiss on stage and then didn't. I remember

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watching that and we all lost our minds and dead. Yeah. So eventually they did make their debut

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together and they were very much a couple cut to where you team Jacob or team Edward. Oh team.

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I said team Jacob. Okay. But the more that I watched these movies, oh, you went for the old dude.

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The more you watched it. No, I'm just Bella being fucking single and not Mary. Okay. I sure like you.

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No, no, no. I was team Jacob because I was like he's a rat childhood friend. He really cares about

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her. But then he becomes really creepy and possessive. But Edward's creepy and possessive the whole time.

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So I just think Bella needed to go to a liberal arts college, fine lesbianism, just

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live her life, not be with any of us. And that's that Kristen Stewart. And that person's back to Kristen Stewart.

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So in 2012, Kristen Stewart was photographed kissing the director of a movie that she was in.

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His name was Rubbert Sanders. The film was no white in the hands. He was married. So these

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popper arts pictures of them being caught are so iconic. I like in the pop culture like Sikon.

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They really all thought that case stew is they are case to Kate Pat or whatever. I think they have

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both. But case to I think or taste to his her name is him. Well, maybe they were.

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Our student. I don't know. They had. Yeah, they were. They were. Oh, we were still. When we were

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deep in that stew. Yeah, we were sitting in that sip in the broth. Yeah. I used to try to be like,

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I'm different. I like the Harry Potter Robert Pattinson more. Oh my god.

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I was so cool. You're you're still really cool. Thank you. I was so cool that I never read Twilight.

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I never saw the movies until I was 33 years old. I never read the books. I tried to read one and

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it's just not good writing. It's really. It's really giving my. Given my watch the movie when your

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brain is less working. And it's a grand old time theory. I think you can just stick with the movies.

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And at least be listening to a bad story, but looking at hot people. Yeah.

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So everyone's very attractive in Twilight and shirtless. And there's a lot of.

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That's right. And they also did like the Spider-Man thing where they were like, oh, we're going to make our

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leads date. Yeah. Okay. So what I think happened here. Okay. So Chris and Stewart is photograph kissing

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her director. She releases an apology. The momentary indiscretion is jeopardized. The most important

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thing in my life. The person I love and respect the most. Rob. I love him. I love him. I'm so sorry.

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There's a picture of him leaving her house very distraught. They rekindle their relationship very

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briefly in like 2013 before finally calling a quits. And everyone thinks, oh, God, she fucked up.

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I can't believe she cheated. And sure, yeah, I'm not condoning cheating on your boyfriend, obviously.

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This director man is the one that needs to be buried. He was married. He had a position of power

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over her. He was her director in Snow White and the Huntsman. Right. I'm not condoning what she did

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either. But it seems like and she's come out with quotes re like in the past couple of years that kind

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of say, everybody wanted me and Rob to be together. So bad. The trash. It was so much pressure. And

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the public was so fucking obsessed with Twilight. And they wanted the co-stars to just be together. So bad.

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You know, kiss. Even if her and Rob. Sure. Had some sexual tension. They're both very attractive

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people. They hung out a few times. They like each other. They dated. Everyone was so obsessed with

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them and wanted them to be together. It added that extra pressure to their relationship. She had a

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moment of weakness, you know, like I'll cut her some slack for that. She's come out as LGBTQ.

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Since then she's engaged to a woman. Robert Pattinson has a kid on the way. Yeah.

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Zuki Watterhouse. Yeah. And so they're both very fine and a very much moved on from Twilight.

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I hope so. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And then she'll say in interviews like, how would you feel if somebody

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asked you about your relationship when you were in high school? You would be like, are you fucking

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kidding me? Get over it. Oh my god. If people still came to me and asked me about my high school boyfriend,

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I'd be like, I don't know what he's doing. I got cookies fine. It's probably making a woman a

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nice scrapbook. I'm sure that he's got 16 children and they're a church right now. And I'm glad for them.

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chill making yeah. Hang out with each other. But the grasp that that breakup and that affair had on

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pop culture was a little like on it. Yeah. I think it was like a proximity thing. Where? Yeah.

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You spend that this time around someone. Absolutely. I mean, you're a young and dumb and full of

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calm. Your hormones are racing. You're making out and set. You're like, it's giving Marcia and

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Greg Brady. And like when they were recording the show in the 60s, like the actors. Okay.

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Not that they were brother. Is that in says? No, because they're brother and the

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bradish and the show. It's still weird. But yeah, the actors were just all around each other.

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car in a way. Okay. Yeah. So that's my favorite celebrity breakup. Who wants to go to

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an iconic iconic? The celebrity relationship that I ponder on quite a bit is Chris Jenner and

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Caitlin Jenner, disclaimer for this podcast this episode. I am going to be calling her Caitlin.

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I know at the time of the relationship, it was Bruce, but I'm going to be calling her Caitlin

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because she is Caitlin now. Love it. So just want to put a disclaimer there really quick.

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So the two began dating in April of 1991, a pair tied the knot five months after dating. Only five

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months. Yes. Just one month after Chris finalized the divorce from Robert Kardashian. You might not

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know this. So sorry, if I'm not good question. Was Chris still married to Robert when he died? No,

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at the time, Caitlin was married to Chris. Got it. Okay. So Robert died after the divorce. Yes.

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Got it. Thank you. And then in November 95, that you had Kendall together while Chris already had

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Courtney came Chloe and Robert Kardashian with Robert Kardashian. And Caitlin had children of her

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own with a previous relationship. Brody Jenner. We owe new. Wait, no, doesn't he look like he's past,

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oh no, that's Scott Dysic. Doesn't he look like he's passing away? No, that's Scott Dysic. I get

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Scott Dysic and Brody Jenner mixed up my head. I'm salty. No Brody Jenner. He's beautiful. I can't

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remember Brody's brother's name, but he is all Brandon. Wait, there's Brandon Brandon. Brandon Jenner

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is so hot. I need to Google all of these people. Quick. I'm so sorry. I'm French with Andrew this weekend.

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And he did know the difference between Kendall Jenner and Kylie Jenner. And he goes, my mom,

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those are two separate people. And I had to show him pictures. And I've never

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the meme where the lady's looking at all the man. And he goes, those are two different women.

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And I say, wow, they're sisters to live in that life. He goes, she just, and then I said,

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this is what they used to look like. And that's what legal kick now. And he goes, but those are

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four separate people now. You're showing me four different people. I mean, I can't blame them.

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Anyway, yes, these are all beautiful people and wealthy people. Yes, continue.

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And then in August of 97, the two had Kylie Jenner. Got it. Yeah. And Caitlin was famous from

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winning the Olympics. Yes. Yes. Caitlin is a very decorated athlete. Is famous from the OJ Simpson

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trial? Yes. Yes. And just talk about the through lines to so many things. I like it. In that story,

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where you're just like a card, A she ends the OJ. Yeah. Talk about pop culture iconography, that

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white bronco. And do we think that OJ is Chloe's dad? No, I think that's a topic or a different day.

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That's a different. She has many different dads. Yeah. Many, many suspected ones. I mean, they had

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a little episode on it where I've never seen an episode of the kind of. She did like a DNA test.

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And Chris was being weird about it. And she never said good storyline episode. So they've

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got into people. Oh, like Chris don't even know. Of course. The devil works hard.

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Chris Jenner. Yeah. She really does. That one. Let's do it.

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And then in October of '07, this is when keeping up with the Kardashians.

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Happened. Yeah. So Caitlin really did not seem happy. Not in the beginning. Yeah. Not in the beginning.

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She did not care. And it was funny because I agree. Like I've never like I said seen an episode.

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And that's not a flip or anything. I've never seen an episode of this show. I've seen clips.

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I am what they call a pop culture junkie. I am what they call better than me. That makes you

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feel so good about all the movies I have never watched. Everyone. I don't shame people for what they

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like. What you are into in pop culture is up to you. I don't really seasons are amazing.

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I am trashy reality. So I could see how I would have been into it when it first did. But I just

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never. I was too busy with rock of love bus. And then in August of 2011, the two had their 20th

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anniversary together. And they renewed their wedding vows in a family vacation in Bora Bora.

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And I want to say that this was that I could be so wrong on this. But the Bora Bora part just

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was thrown out there to me. That this could be the time where Kim lost her diamond earring in the ocean.

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Kim there are people who are dying. Yeah. Saga. Which is another great iconic celebrity breakup.

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That also is such good. I love a messy breakup. I love it. I love hearts breaking across the world.

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Yeah. After 72 days. I don't know about that part. But I love I love to know the details

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intimately. I love the sound of love. So I love a chaotic celebrity.

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Who's just going to let me know it all? I love it. I love messy lacks of love.

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who's breakup? Kim and Chris or

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Caitlin and Chris. Yeah. Caitlin. I was like, what is your favorite? Why is everyone

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this Robert and Chris in this story? Chris Jenner and Caitlin Jenner. Okay. Is that

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this was Caitlin announcing her transition. And she did it with Diane's wire. Yes. And Chris was

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very silent. She did not participate in it. And so you've got to hear this really uplifting story.

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And it was an amazing documentary and interview. And then taking through the story of Caitlin

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like kind of finding this out and making this decision. Yeah. Chris did not speak

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until the Kardashians came in. And the way that Chris spun the narrative and got the kids to

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get in on it and really start to villainize Caitlin. It became this very interesting press story.

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Yeah. And unfortunately, Caitlin's book was not very kind to Chris at all. Yeah. So now it's even more

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resentful. So when Caitlin and Chris got a divorce, was this before or after that iconic magazine cover

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where she said, I am Caitlin, the Diane Sawyer interview. Separated before they separated in October

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2013. And Caitlin did not come out yet to the public. Chris knew because Caitlin would do stuff in

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the house privately. Where women's clothing. Yes. And Chris told her, hey, if you need to do this,

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that's totally okay. But please do not do it in the house. If you need to do it in your own business

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trips and stuff, bring whatever you need to do and do it there. But please just don't do it in the

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house around the kids. I don't know. But whatever happened happened. Chris knew about the stuff,

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I guess, maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. But that was like the hard-ass you and show narrative.

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Yeah. I think it's interesting. Yeah. But she's like, no, you're with someone who knows. So who

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knows? I mean, so I do think that like we do have to tread carefully here because

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you know, I can see that it would be exactly as a person who is cisgendered like I can't imagine

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what it is like to go your entire life questioning yourself like that, feeling like you're in the wrong

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body. And I totally, you know, kudos to anybody who feels great enough to come out. Having said that,

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I do feel also for your spouse in that situation. So for Chris gender is probably strange. And

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you've been with this person who has been identifying as a man for decades and it's your partner and

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the father of children and now they're telling you they've been a woman this whole time. And I could

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see in a lot of situations, I've seen couples who go, we're going to make this work. We're going to

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make this work. We're going to stay together. And then I've seen other couples who have gone, you know

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what? I still love you. I have a lot of love for you. I'm not attracted to, I don't think our sexual

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components of our relationship work anymore. And that's fine. Yeah. And then they respectfully get a

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divorce. Yeah. I also want to point out that Caitlin Jenner fucking sucks. We were all rooting for you.

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We were all rooting for you. Dude, I think it does become an interesting juxtaposition. Yeah,

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Caitlin Jenner, you know, could have been such an amazing person. The person is also a terrible person.

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Oh, I mean, all fucking Kardashian Jenner's are sucking some way. But Caitlin Jenner is

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anti-LGBTQ. I mean, a night-wing anti-trans bathroom. I very much. I'm very rich. And I had, she can pass.

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She has enough money to have the surgeries to get done for these things. And doesn't really think

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about people in other positions. Trans people who don't have their resources that she does.

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Fuck Caitlin Jenner. Also, it is a very interesting, like, navigation of the story. Yeah. Yeah. I think

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Kris Jenner's ability to control a narrative will always be interesting and will be studied

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forever. And like that type of reality supremacy over all that time. Over the narrative.

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You know, when you think about like, Caitlin's children, I mean, her and like, Kris' children,

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they're all still cool with both of them kind of thing. Yeah. I know.

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Kardashians really aren't speaking to her, but the Jenner's too. Okay. So like, and then we're out of

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each energy. Kylie, you're so good with Caitlin. Yeah. More so Kendall. I know too much about this.

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I don't even know what the Kardashian's got too much of a brain. So mine's a little Kardashian adjacent.

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Interesting. I think one of the most iconic breakups in my mind is Jalina, which is

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Justin and Kardashian Lee. Isn't everything in life. And so like a true Charlie from Always Sunny

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Headcase, I was writing down like why I think this is such a crazy story. And I started off with

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major players. And I'm going to read them to you because I think it's a stage. So Justin and Selena,

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very obvious one here. You know, GoFinger. We have a Haley, which we all know. Haley Baldwin Bieber.

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Haley Baldwin. Buh-buh-buh-buh. Hey, buh-buh-buh. Haley Road.

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Beautiful, beautiful skin. Beautiful.

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Kendall Jenner or Landel Bloom Miranda Kerr. Katie Perry. Where's the show?

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The way that you don't know this. Oh my god, I'm going to boil. I mean, I know that I have to

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pee so bad too. This is awful. This is terrible timing. I know. And you're about to go out of

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the plant. We've like seven minutes. I know. I know. I'm about to go out of fucking random. Okay.

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Well, you can hold it for seven minutes. But if I don't, sweetheart, you need to work on your,

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your, I'm ready. I'm ready for you to tell me about every celebrity known to man in this

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octagon. Okay. So Katie Perry, Sophia Richey. There's more. The reason that this is, I think that

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this breakup sticks out in my mind is it actually happens over a six year period because they are

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getting you back together. They're breaking up. They're getting back together. They're breaking

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up. They're getting back together. The weekend has to come into this. He does. Oh, I forgot to

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write him down. Yeah. It's spider webbing. We're truly Charlie with the red string. And so the first time

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that these two like get together in like 2008, Justin and Selena and they were really cute.

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Justin Bieber was like pre-pubescent. It was so cute. Yeah. And he was like doing interviews

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like I mean she's cute. And Selena's a little bit like a year older than him a year and a half.

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And so she's like, well, yeah, find me in a few years when you're older. And so they have this like,

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well, they won't they? So people were really interested in them. And they're starting to go through

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it just and starting to kind of have his like rebellious era where he was like he and he

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got up. No, he peed in the bucket at a restaurant. He was like, I can get a house. So he started

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to get like this bad boy image. And so for the first time, Justin, Selena break up in 2012 in kind

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of a rapid succession. They're getting back together. What's really interesting about this couple is

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they're one of the first Twitter and Instagram celebrities like teen celebrities. How old are they

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at this point when they break up? They're still like they're like, like teens early 20s or maybe like

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22 or whatever. So they're bit this. And so Justin is kind of confirmed that he started getting into

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drugs at this point. And so he was like starting to go down a worse path. And so they break up in this time

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and then get back together. And because social media was a thing, a lot of their fights and getting

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back together, they were posting each other. So it was really kind of this like messy era. It was like

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Brianna popping off at people on Twitter era where somebody just didn't really know how to handle

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these social media sites yet. And they weren't super. But I love those throwbacks to celebrities using

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Twitter and the early odds. And like just you look back at them now. And they're just

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yeah. And then kind of okay. So they get back together. They're breaking up kind of all over like

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2013 and 2012. And all of a sudden these pictures of Orlando Bloom and Selena Gomez outside of a

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club in a different country. And they're like smoking cigarettes together on the curb. Okay. I would love to

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be there. I would love to smoke a cigarette. I would love to be there. I would love to be in that

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mode. It starts to become like buying items and like speculation is that Orlando and Selena hooked up

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in that her and Justin aren't together anymore. Okay. If there was a sex room about everyone I've

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ever smoked a cigarette with. Oh wow. Sorry dad. There would be zero. I've never smoked. There would

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be so. What is that? Never tasted one of those kind of in rabbits' accession. So those pictures come out

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right off of that. Justin is doing the Victoria's Secret Show. That's right. He tries to sleep with Miranda

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Kerr. Oh my god. Who is Orlando Bloom's girlfriend. X-Wife. Okay. And mother of his child. And then Justin

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and Orlando get in a fight in Mekanos. Fish fight. I did see that. And this is all in 2014. They

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get enough fish fight. Okay. Okay. Oh, they don't believe so. Grown as man. Yeah. But Justin was

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like 22 at that point. I don't want to end up in the row now. But this the mother of his child.

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All of her retaliate against Selena. And so they get enough fish fight in this like club in Mekanos.

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And so they're like going back and forth. And they're like breaking up on and off the weekends in

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there somewhere. I think it done the dates. And Justin is kind of rapidly declining on this drug binge.

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Yeah. And the reason that I think this is so interesting. It has like all the strama, all these

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connected players. Then you also had a hill song. So you also have like a cult. You could say at what

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place Justin say that I found Jesus. I'm fine now. Yeah. Exactly. And then in 2017, Justin and Selena are

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seen without anyone around them without any bodyguards that they are seen on Skid Row in a place where

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people are known to go and buy drugs. And so they're like kind of having this like drug-fueled crazy

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romance. Each other's first love. They're going into all this. And this is kind of around the time

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where Haley starts to pop up a lot because she attends Hillsong. Yeah. She attends Hillsong and her

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and Justin are friends. And so kind of inner mixed in this. He is with Haley. But she says like

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publicly there in an open relationship. And then he's with Sofia Richie. And it gets back with

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Selena Gomez. And then right after that, they break up within like a month and a half. Six months later,

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he's engaged and married. That's who we mean so fucking. And so that's the crazy. He's seen on Skid Row

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with Selena in 2017. He marries Haley in 2018. And then the iconic ballad of Luzida Love Me comes out

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in early 2019. Selena Gomez. Selena Gomez. Luzida Love Me. Somewhere in here is also Purpose,

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which is one of the most iconic albums ever from Justin Peevers. But I could just think about it forever.

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There's so many spider graphs in people. And then you can also add in Diddy and Usher and

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Ellie Reed. Because that's how Justin got a start. He used to have to go spend weekends with Diddy

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at his home. Oh no. Well, Diddy sucks. Well, yeah, he was also abusing kids like usher. Diddy was?

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Jesus Christ. So there's such a web. I need a web. I'm going to go to your house after

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the news. I just see all of this. When we were talking about quiet onset, I need you to actually

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sit Andrew down in front of the TV and say, you need to watch this and just say Olivia. Talk about

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Olivia. I knew this. Olivia. Do this. Call all the backpack. Yeah. You know, I'll say something.

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You know, be like, do you'll live you until you then? Yeah, she did. Yeah. And she's right. Now there's

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an expose a documentary for parts, buddy. Justin and Selena is really interesting though, because they

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were so cute. We were all really. They were so cute. They were first loves. It was so. Yeah. And there's

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this part of us that all kind of roots for first loves. We know it's not going to work out. I mean,

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rarely if there's anyone out there who's like, I married my first love, like good for you. Good for you.

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You are the exception. You had a little fun. Some world. But you have 16 promise rings like

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maybe. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that doesn't sound very fun. But it's just like the hill song of it all

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to so interesting. It's like Justin tries to revamp his image by coming out publicly as a Christian

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and attending this church, which is kind of famously homophobic and a lot of celebrities attend.

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Yeah. Where he meets Hayley. And Hayley in the past has tweeted about how much she loves Justin and

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Selena and how much she shipped them. So she's always been kind of like a Justin Bieber fan.

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And they get married that like so fast after dating and they're so young. Also on ID is a great

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Hillsong documentary. They talk about the kind of abuse that they enact on people in the mind control

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and all that. So would definitely check it out. I mean, I could go on and on and on about this

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because there's so many different ones. We have an episode about Hillsong and just like the

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celebrities who are involved in like religious cults and stuff. You can talk about your religious

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drama. Oh my god. I love talking about my religious drama. Yeah. I love that. Okay. And now

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Selena Gomez. I really like her and Benny Blanco together. Yeah. People are so fucking harsh on him.

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I don't care that this guy is not a super model. They seem like they're really happy together.

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Wasn't he mean about her like a year ago? Was he? I haven't seen anything about that. I don't

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know enough about it. From what I've seen, they've been really sweet and like seem really into each other

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and he seems really funny and he's got great cooking. Yeah. If anybody, if I miss something,

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somebody please. He's a very his own person. Yeah. And people give him shit and all the comments that

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I've seen because he's not his personally attractive. Yeah. And you know, we're curious. Yeah. I don't

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know. You can definitely find that. Yeah. Oh, but yeah, I think a lot of what's so interesting about

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this is just the human nature of it, even people that you really see a lot of success and so go

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through these very human experiences. Yeah. I think about them all the time, but you know, Shana,

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Nicole, I think we need to spend some time apart now. Oh, God. I knew this was coming. But don't worry,

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this break up will only last a week. Thank God. We're going to be on the Justin Selena train. We're

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going to go back once a week together. And so we'll be back next week for another new episode of

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the pop culture junkie podcast. Nicole and Shauna, where can your fans find you on social media?

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You can find me Nicole on Instagram, my antichock, @nicole_eldridge. You can find me, Shauna, on Instagram

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and threads and Depop. Oh, by my shit. She thrifty. She thrifty, baby. @shaunatrinidad

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S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D. Please don't ask me to wear the body suits before I sell them to you.

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They are clean. They have been washed. Unless. Unless. I'm just going to pay extra. She want to pay me

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enough money for that new down payment. Yes. And you can find me Olivia on Instagram 

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