1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,240 ♪ I'm a T-Me, I'm a T-Me right now ♪ 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,440 Hello, welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,960 I am Shauna here with my bestie... 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,520 Olivia. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Hi. 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,040 I'm pretty sorry to all of our listeners 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,880 for the way that I sound. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,880 We tried to push this back twice 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,880 because I sound like Lindsay Lohan after a Vegas club. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,280 And unfortunately, I was in Vegas. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,480 I was not in a club. 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,200 I was just talking to accounts. 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,640 And one of them gave me the plague. 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,640 So that was a caring fund. 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Stop lying counts. 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Spit in your mouth, Olivia. 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,640 Jesus Christ. 18 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:42,640 I know. 19 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,640 It's such a kind of mine. 20 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,640 I can't help it. 21 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Trade show quote unquote. 22 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Yeah, that's what they call this. 23 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,640 Spitting in my mouth show. 24 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,640 We're trading viruses and saliva. 25 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,640 We're trade showing. 26 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Our mutual friend was like, why does this keep happening to you? 27 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Every time you go to a trade show. 28 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,320 And I'm like, I don't know because people are going to think sick. 29 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:08,840 And you know, if there's something that this 30 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,960 antivirus thing has popping up all the sudden 31 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,280 that's taught me is that we really didn't learn from COVID at all. 32 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,120 And nobody was like, oh, OK, I'm sick. 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,120 Let me not go around thousands of people. 34 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,200 Literally, if you are sick, stay home. 35 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,760 And there's no shame in wearing a mask. 36 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,280 I know a lot of like immunocompromised people still like mask up. 37 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,360 But like in Japan. 38 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,880 And I can't speak to other Asian countries. 39 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,480 But definitely like in Japan, if you feel like you have a cold 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,160 or something, but you have to go in public, 41 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,280 they just throw a mask on. 42 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Like they've been doing every years. 43 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,880 And I think that's brilliant. 44 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,440 Like I don't want to spread my germs. 45 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,240 And I don't want anyone else's germis in my mouth. 46 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Now, yeah. 47 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Well, I think you sound seductive. 48 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,480 I like it. 49 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,120 I know when I was younger, I don't know if this was like a 90s 50 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,680 kid thing where like you wanted to have a raspy voice. 51 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Like what was her name? 52 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,200 Her name was Brooke in the show. 53 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,960 Oh, gosh. 54 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 This is where the sick brain is coming in. 55 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,040 You're going to remember like 20 minutes. 56 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Chad Michael Murray was on the show. 57 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,400 One tree hill. 58 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,920 Yeah, it was Brooke in one tree hill. 59 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,840 Whatever the actress's name is. 60 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Oh, my God. 61 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Sophia Bush. 62 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,360 She had a raspy voice. 63 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,200 She had such a good like raspy voice. 64 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 And then obviously Lindsay Lohan did too. 65 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,400 And I was like, if I had that voice, everyone will want me. 66 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,400 So I didn't know some way in guys voice. 67 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,160 But I definitely had this running joke with Jessica 68 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,400 about it was an SNL sketch. 69 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,320 And I think it was Vanessa Biers or Bayer's. 70 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,920 And she would go, it's Miley. 71 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:54,040 And she do Miley voice. 72 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,920 And then we would go, it's Lindsay. 73 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:58,920 Oh no, it wasn't SNL. 74 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,680 It was the soup. 75 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,920 It was the soup like a running gag on there with Joel McKayle. 76 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:05,640 Oh, my God. 77 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:10,400 So we'd always get Lindsay. 78 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,800 But I got cheesed in elementary school for my voice. 79 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 I was told I sounded like a boy a lot. 80 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,960 And now it is something that I get compliments on all the time. 81 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Oh, your voice is incredible. 82 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,680 You should have a podcast. 83 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,400 And I go, actually, I'm actually. 84 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,640 It's showing. 85 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,880 It's showing. 86 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,640 But yeah, so I'm having tea. 87 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:41,280 So hopefully the vocal fry isn't too inseparable for you. 88 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Oh no, it's good. 89 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,320 I don't think it's like vocal fry. 90 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,720 There's not like Kardashian fry. 91 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,240 How are you doing? 92 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,280 I'm good. 93 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 I bought AFI ticket. 94 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,240 I was going to say tickets, but I bought just myself a ticket. 95 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Just one ticket. 96 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Oh, no, a ticket ticket. 97 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,600 But I figured it's in October. 98 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,440 And I just got a pit ticket. 99 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Between now and then people will come. 100 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Come to Arizona on October. 101 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,200 When is it October? 102 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,680 October 20th. 103 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,880 So we can do Halloween things too. 104 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,280 We can go in our punk rock costumes to the AFI show. 105 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,680 In our punk rock, I feel like we've told this story. 106 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,880 But yeah, we have to resurrect that. 107 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,320 We're just old people. 108 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,120 We love your millennial desperate costume. 109 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,320 Your desperate millennial costume. 110 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,320 That's just what I look like. 111 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,560 Things that's just how I dress. 112 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Yeah, what have you been up to? 113 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,000 What have you been doing? 114 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,720 I felt like I've been taking a lot of depression. 115 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,400 I just stopped the depression part. 116 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,400 Love the nap part. 117 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:56,000 I didn't realize they were depression naps until I woke up after like a two hour long one 118 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 the other day. 119 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,080 And I was like, probably isn't good. 120 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,000 And it's so tired. 121 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,640 I'm so fucking tired. 122 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,920 Stephanie said something about like I don't know spending money every time she leaves the house 123 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,120 and I'm like, that's why I sleep all the time. 124 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,480 You can't spend money if you don't leave the house. 125 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,200 All you do is sleep. 126 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Same with calories. 127 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,200 You can't consume calories. 128 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Yeah, you're asleep. 129 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,560 You're also not burning them. 130 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,560 So that's true. 131 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,960 I don't know how I'm under the impression of dreams. 132 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Seth Meyers pops in every now and then. 133 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,160 I get a little, it's my heart race going in my dream. 134 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,400 I also feel like it's older Seth Meyers. 135 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Like I feel like younger Seth Meyers didn't necessarily do it for me older. 136 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Yeah. 137 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:47,800 100%. 138 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:48,800 100%. 139 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:49,800 Yeah. 140 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,360 I didn't know that this was like a hidden thing I had until I had the most sensual sex 141 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,360 dream of my life. 142 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 I had this sex dream. 143 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Oh my god. 144 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,400 I didn't text you. 145 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,400 I should have. 146 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Okay. 147 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,400 It was a little bit of a problem. 148 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,400 It was a little bit of a problem. 149 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,320 So, dear listeners, it was incredible. 150 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,720 The most gentle, attentive lover. 151 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,000 And it was Sir Anthony Hopkins. 152 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Oh. 153 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Yeah. 154 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Okay. 155 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Which version? 156 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Like a cannibal version? 157 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,240 Yeah, I think. 158 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,240 I mean, he always kind of looks old. 159 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,240 He's like, he's got like, one version. 160 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Okay. 161 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Is there other versions of him? 162 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,880 Okay. 163 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,880 I know. 164 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,440 I have to say. 165 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,560 I think that's a unique experience, but I love it for you. 166 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Yeah. 167 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,920 I mean, I don't like think he's like hot. 168 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,840 Like, sometimes like people just pop up. 169 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,080 My dreams would be like, want me to bang you out? 170 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,680 And I'm like, sure, Anthony Hopkins. 171 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,920 How bad could it be? 172 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,920 And then it's wonderful. 173 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:48,920 And then it's wonderful. 174 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Oh my god. 175 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Okay. 176 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Yeah. 177 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,920 We gotta unpack that. 178 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,920 I do love it. 179 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,920 It's incredible, but like not sexually. 180 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,720 No, no, not sexually. 181 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,720 I did actually. 182 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,720 This is so funny. 183 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,960 Maybe he was in my mind after that dream, but I recently rewatched Silence of the Lams 184 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Hannibal and Red Dragon. 185 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:12,400 And the whole time I was trying, I was like, watch, he was like, is there any, any, nothing? 186 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,400 It doesn't do it for me. 187 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Yeah. 188 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Nothing. 189 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,440 You're like, you can't eat it in multiple ways, you know? 190 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,080 No, he could not. 191 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:27,400 In the novels, I guess, him and Clarice hook up though, which is strange. 192 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,400 Yeah. 193 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,400 Yeah. 194 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,400 She like, that does well. 195 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,680 And then he, and then they do it. 196 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Oh, okay. 197 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,680 Tuck a turn. 198 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Tuck a turn. 199 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Turn. 200 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,680 Tuck a turn. 201 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,320 I see why they kept that out of the movies. 202 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Yeah. 203 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,680 I don't really want to breastfeed him. 204 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,480 That was my best, Tony Foster. 205 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Was that good? 206 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,880 Do I really have to breastfeed him, I don't know? 207 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,320 It's terrible, Tony Foster. 208 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:08,160 It was, it was, it was the stupidest of all the complities though. 209 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,000 I really don't want to breastfeed him. 210 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 What do you mean? 211 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:22,160 You sound like someone from South Park, but I can't, I sound like Jennifer Foster had a child. 212 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,640 Oh, she's, you're going to have to breastfeed him. 213 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Oh, geez, these carnival, they're trying to kill us. 214 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,240 Just big tree Jennifer Coolidge is Jodie Foster's part. 215 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,240 As Clarice. 216 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Oh, hey, animal. 217 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Oh, good. 218 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:47,080 Hey, do you want to know where to put you in that little cage? 219 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,080 I'm dying. 220 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Okay. 221 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Okay. 222 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,080 Okay. 223 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,080 Okay. 224 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Okay, I have no good segue for the topic. 225 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Do I not know? 226 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,320 We're talking about witches. 227 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,160 We're talking about witches this week. 228 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Oh my god, my abs hurt. 229 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Okay. 230 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,080 We are going to get a little witchy for this episode. 231 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,040 We are breaking down the best and the worst witches in pop culture. 232 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Movies, television, etc. 233 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,560 But remember, sometimes bad witches are the best witches. 234 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:34,400 Okay, we are going to go through kind of a timeline of witches in pop culture. 235 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,800 And when I first thought about this, I realized I think the first iteration of witches in pop 236 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,600 culture was Macbeth, wasn't it? 237 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,160 Like Shakespeare's stage production of Macbeth. 238 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,160 Yeah. 239 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Double, double, toil and trouble. 240 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,160 So I'm going to count them. 241 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:57,960 Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, well, I guess there's probably been witches throughout like media 242 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,040 or media, like books, pop culture. 243 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,720 I mean, I think there are even witches in like Greek mythology, things like that. 244 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:15,240 So it has truly been like a theme throughout time of people taking power outside of their 245 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,480 own internal means is generally like how I think of a witch, right? 246 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Like someone who is grabbing external power from wherever it is or power outside of typical 247 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,360 humans and harvesting that for good or evil. 248 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:39,400 I think a lot of what we saw in older, like Greek mythology and things like that was like 249 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:47,920 which is often where like a warning of too much power taken and things like that. 250 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:56,280 So I think that witches have always been an interesting theme throughout culture and what they're 251 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,280 trying to say. 252 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Yeah. 253 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:04,440 And I definitely think that there's a lot to be said about like witches being seen as like 254 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,880 a warning for that men made that women were gaining too much power, right? 255 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,480 Like even the witch trials, like they didn't, they didn't put witches like to death in the 256 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,480 witch trials, right? 257 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,480 They put women to death. 258 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,140 These women like were, you know, I saw goody proctor dancing with the devil if you were 259 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:28,920 seen as anybody who was a strange woman or who was thinking for yourself or doing anything 260 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,960 outside of the realm of quote unquote, what a normal woman would do than you were considered 261 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:34,960 a witch. 262 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,800 So there's definitely like a lot of crossover between like witches and feminism. 263 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,040 I read this really great book years ago called Witches Sletz and Feminist. 264 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,640 It was written by Kristen J. Soley. 265 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,880 So yeah, which is Sletz and Feminist conjuring the sex positive and explored the intersection 266 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:02,360 between reclaimed powerful archetypes highlighting how modern women are reclaiming historically 267 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,400 misogynistic slurs such as she's a witch, right? 268 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:13,160 And I liked this quote, which is have always been women who dared to be groovy, courageous, 269 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:20,760 aggressive, intelligent, nonconformist, explorative, curious, independent, sexually liberated and 270 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:21,760 revolutionary. 271 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:22,760 So go on. 272 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Yeah, I also think we're going to kind of go into the portrayal of witches in film throughout 273 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:33,920 the years. 274 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:41,720 But I do think that witches have often been like a queer flagging. 275 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Yes. 276 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:49,720 And I think that's where they make a lot of these like evil characters really queer coded, 277 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,720 which is, you know, fucked up. 278 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,080 Yeah, but just to like, subordinate message to children. 279 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,080 Yeah. 280 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,960 But, you know, I think a lot of the time like people are like, oh, she's evil, but I love 281 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,840 her kind of like to all these witches because we could truly like see see ourselves within 282 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,840 them. 283 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:16,560 Or really have like an alternate character and a misunderstood character. 284 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:21,400 And so yeah, I think that we've seen, I think like in the 90s, we started to see more of 285 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:27,240 an introduction to like the good witch and good witches and people who use this external 286 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,640 power for good. 287 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Yeah. 288 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,840 Or like witches, you want to be like, oh, I love her aesthetic. 289 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,840 She's so cool. 290 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,880 I mean, obviously there's a lot of crossover in like, golf culture and like the goth aesthetic 291 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,720 and like witches and stuff. 292 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,360 And you know, goth kind of started, I guess we don't have to do history of goth, but gothic 293 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,560 music and like style of things really started kind of popping off in like the 1980s. 294 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:51,560 Yeah. 295 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:57,160 But yeah, in the 90s was definitely the like whims of goth, like witchy, oh, she's so cool. 296 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Sabrina, yes. 297 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,400 And then I mean, we saw kind of like the good witches versus the evil witches. 298 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,120 You know, we're just, we're going to start at the beginning. 299 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Oh my god. 300 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,440 I'm not sure if I'm saying that right. 301 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Hackson or hackson in 1922 was a Swedish Danish silent documentary drama. 302 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,960 It was widely considered the first cinematic depiction of witchcraft, dramatized the history 303 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,760 of witchcraft and the inquisition with striking imagery that is still cited today. 304 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,400 And so I think that's what I'm going to do. 305 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:38,400 It's like, I'm going to do the same thing. 306 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 307 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 308 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 309 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 310 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,400 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00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 402 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 403 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,400 I'm going to do the same thing. 404 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:27,400 It's 1939, traditional family values, women were expected to fit into a box. 405 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,400 Don't ask too many questions. 406 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Truly blonde white was the ideal body type look and things like that. 407 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,400 100%. 408 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:49,400 We definitely see this continuing on through the 60s and 70s with domesticated witches. 409 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:56,260 So be witched which Samantha Stevens she normalized the witch as a neighbor and housewife. 410 00:16:56,260 --> 00:17:00,320 Magical powers were played for comedy domesticated into suburban life. 411 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,940 It ran for eight seasons. 412 00:17:02,940 --> 00:17:09,680 But yeah she was just you know a happy donnie housewife who also was a witch, but yeah I mean 413 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,460 she it was the 50's or the 60's you know they still had to fit into that what a woman 414 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:19,940 should be she's what if we made her a witch but she was still a good woman. 415 00:17:19,940 --> 00:17:27,460 Yeah well she's also a little like mischievous but like harmless and like she is like a good 416 00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:28,460 witch. 417 00:17:28,460 --> 00:17:34,000 She knows more than people but she like does it to try to like improve her husband and 418 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:41,700 like the people around her and she gets in there like silly silly high jinks is probably 419 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:45,780 what I would say there also blonde and white. 420 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:54,240 Yeah she very much carries the gollinda look into be witched but she is widely known 421 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,300 as like our parents generation as like the witch right. 422 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:04,320 Yes 100% super cute show reminds me of I dream of Jeannie too is kind of like the 423 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,420 same thing that was also like she is a suburban housewife. 424 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,780 Oh but she's also a Jeannie. 425 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:17,700 Yeah and her mom was a witch a little more evil so she was a red head. 426 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:23,780 Oh and be witch yes Indora the evil witch and she was even that evil she was just a little 427 00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:25,020 more. 428 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:35,020 I hate man I don't know sarcastic yeah a little misandrist we love it. 429 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:42,940 I will throw in the Adams family in the monsters morticia Adams definitely wasn't like a witch 430 00:18:42,940 --> 00:18:48,580 right but she fits that kind of witch archetype kind of like the gothic witch aesthetic that 431 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:55,860 kind of like got it into Americans households right these weirdo got families who do strange 432 00:18:55,860 --> 00:19:02,300 things but still are a happy family so we'll throw those in for good measure too. 433 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:10,540 And then honestly a very very iconic film we hate the man that made it but very very iconic 434 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:17,780 we go into 1968 with rosemary's baby so it's Roman Polanski's horror landmark reframed 435 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:24,980 which is as a secretive like urban cult that are real dangerous and conspiratorial rather 436 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:27,380 than fantastical. 437 00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:35,060 This movie is amazing it is like an allegory for abortion all of these things and the 438 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:40,940 plight on women it has a lot to say it's a very good movie it still holds up to this day 439 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:44,820 I think so too I hate that it's Roman Polanski but I love that movie. 440 00:19:44,820 --> 00:19:49,580 Yeah it's it's really really good me a Pharaoh and it is just amazing she makes me 441 00:19:49,580 --> 00:20:06,020 gonna cuddle my hair off. 442 00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:35,300 Like the fear of witches and Satan for sure. 443 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:41,900 Ultimately that's like a very old theme of witchcraft right like we saw that in the witch trials 444 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:47,660 is they were worshiping Satan so we had seen like a lot of these like oh fun silly goofy 445 00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:52,820 witches but Roman Polanski kind of brought it back of like no these are devil worshippers 446 00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:53,820 here. 447 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:59,740 Yeah same like yeah like the exorcist definitely laid groundwork for a satanic panic too I mean 448 00:20:59,740 --> 00:21:03,780 there's no like witches in that movie from my memory it's just literally the little 449 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:09,420 girls possessed by Satan but we definitely see like that crossover with like witches 450 00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:20,820 and Satanism a lot I I've personally been accused of worshipping Satan being a witch. 451 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:25,580 I think that's just anybody who looks a certain way or women who use their voices in a certain 452 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:30,380 way throughout history right but I'll allow it. 453 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:42,380 I'll allow our sister what you're saying is we then move into a golden age of witchcraft 454 00:21:42,380 --> 00:21:49,060 in television and movies that you and I probably grew up with a lot of Olivia so empowerment 455 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:54,700 or teen witches like the witches we kind of want to be but they're also bad but we also 456 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:56,340 like them right. 457 00:21:56,340 --> 00:22:01,740 We have the witches of Eastwick with share Susan Sarandon and Michelle Fyfer women who 458 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:08,820 discover their powers framed as female agency and sexuality tension with patriarchal forces 459 00:22:08,820 --> 00:22:11,180 in Jack Nicholson's devil. 460 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:14,180 Oh my god Jack Nicholson is so gross. 461 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:18,660 I think he's probably all the time. 462 00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:22,580 Well he better not sneak into like a dream tonight now that I just said that if I have a 463 00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:27,380 sex dream of Jack Nicholson tonight I'm going to be so mad. 464 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:30,180 Yeah that absolutely is going to happen now. 465 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:33,340 It's going to happen. 466 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:34,780 I put it into the ether. 467 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:42,660 A hoax focus in 1993 camp comedic witches they're evil but we love them. 468 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:48,380 Yeah they just want to harvest some children they're like a real um Hansel and Gruddle story 469 00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:49,380 there. 470 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:57,300 Just like I love Sarah Jessica Parker in the movie so much though she looks so good. 471 00:22:57,300 --> 00:22:58,300 She looks amazing. 472 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:04,100 I know they were trying to make her look like scary and bad but I was like I just want that 473 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,300 outfit I just want to be her. 474 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,300 She looks great. 475 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,940 Yeah I absolutely love that movie. 476 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:16,820 In 1996 we had the craft which is one of my favorite which movies ever. 477 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:18,420 I think that. 478 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:26,420 It is such like a grunge goth like aesthetic iconic to this day and team girls discover 479 00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:36,620 Wicca as a rebellion and power and we really see these young women dynamics at play as well. 480 00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:41,020 I think obviously it's about witchcraft but you can kind of see yourself within these different 481 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:45,660 characters as well and it's just such a good story within it. 482 00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:49,780 I mean I watch it every Halloween. 483 00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:55,980 It's like a craft shirt I think it's like such a cool aesthetic and movie. 484 00:23:55,980 --> 00:24:01,460 Yeah definitely that like teenage witch kind of rebellion. 485 00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:05,900 Yeah like witchcraft was really good and could have cool and like Wicca was getting really 486 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:07,900 cool in the 90s right. 487 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:13,980 Well yeah it was like the god thing to do and you know being a god was cool so like leaning 488 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:14,980 into that. 489 00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:15,980 Yeah. 490 00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,100 Contending your witch with like light as a feather stiff as a board. 491 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,820 Oh my god do you remember playing that at sleepovers? 492 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:22,820 Yeah. 493 00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:23,820 So funny. 494 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:28,900 I remember thinking I was a witch in elementary school and being like one of the weird girls 495 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:32,940 in the playground and we were making little like potions out of sand and the sand box 496 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:34,940 that Wicca says. 497 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:36,540 Such fucking dorks. 498 00:24:36,540 --> 00:24:38,540 I love it. 499 00:24:38,540 --> 00:24:40,940 Sabrina the teenage witch in 1996. 500 00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:43,540 I want to have my favorite. 501 00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:48,420 I'll go into more detail later about about my girl Sabrina but she was based on Archie 502 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:54,900 comics and the series return the witch to the gentle comedy magic as a teenage metaphor 503 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:56,380 silly shenanigans. 504 00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:59,620 Oh I love it so much. 505 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:06,180 We had charmed which was the three sisters is the power of three ran for eight seasons. 506 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:13,900 They kind of brought the coven of women as a uniting thing and empowering thing and they 507 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:19,860 had this message of good versus evil but overall they were they were all good witches who 508 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:26,740 explored witchcraft as like identity and I watched it when I was younger kind of like how 509 00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:28,140 I watched Buffy. 510 00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:32,820 I wasn't like all the way through but I have been debating restarting charmed just for 511 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:33,820 nostalgia. 512 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:36,380 So maybe I'll have to have that in there. 513 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:40,100 I never watched charmed which is surprising because it seems like something I would really 514 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:44,420 like and like I've watched maybe the first like two or three episodes. 515 00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:47,340 It was like when you were in your Christian girl era. 516 00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:53,460 I mean honestly yeah but like I was like that I was like weird crossover between like Christian 517 00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:58,580 girl but like I didn't care about things like oh that's evil no I don't know fuck I would 518 00:25:58,580 --> 00:26:00,100 watch her listen to anything. 519 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:06,300 I don't know I just like the WB like you PN like never really like tickled my fancy for 520 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:11,740 some reason but maybe I should give it a whirl I don't know practical magic came out in 521 00:26:11,740 --> 00:26:19,020 1998 just announced a sequel for this movie they so trailer everybody looks great. 522 00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:26,060 Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman are cursed sisters romanticized cozy witchcraft hereditary 523 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:33,580 gift in burgundy kind of a warm sit you know female lead fairy tale tone love that movie. 524 00:26:33,580 --> 00:26:40,820 So then we really move into fantasy in the mainstream so we run into movies like the Harry Potter 525 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:44,780 series which is a whole world of witches and wizards. 526 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:50,940 We have you know these iconic witches like Hermione Granger, Professor McLeanigal as just these 527 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:57,540 memorable characters of course we're biased we grew up in the 90s and 2000s so these characters 528 00:26:57,540 --> 00:27:06,540 despite its brighter will always have a iconic and melancholic feel for us. 529 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:11,220 I agree oh gosh I remember reading the Harry Potter series for the first time I read the 530 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:17,900 first book gosh I must have been in like the third grade and I was in like the gifted program 531 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:24,220 at school and we were reading Sorcerer's Stone and I didn't I didn't have to pronounce 532 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:29,020 Hermione kind of fucking name is that sorry if your name's Hermione. 533 00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:33,940 So I would read it as hormone in my head. 534 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:36,580 That was me. 535 00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:41,940 Hormone, Ron and Harry to class. 536 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:45,940 I knew it hormones were but the name Hermione is like what is that? 537 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:52,700 Hormone okay we will also talk more about this which later but but be the vampire. 538 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:59,940 Slaher also featured teenage witches in the form of Willow Rose and Berg. 539 00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:08,260 So next we move on to Horr Renaissance revisionist witches or horrors. 540 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:11,060 Some of them are probably horrors. 541 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:12,060 I hope so. 542 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:13,540 American Horror Story Coven. 543 00:28:13,540 --> 00:28:17,220 I think you're going to talk about this a little bit later right? 544 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:22,420 Yes I actually didn't watch that season. 545 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:27,700 And then and then we have to end the podcast right now. 546 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:35,260 I watched season one and a half a season two and Sean I don't like American Horror Story. 547 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:37,580 It makes me feel good. 548 00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:38,580 No. 549 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:39,580 I'm not squeamish. 550 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:43,260 I will watch gross discussing things. 551 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:47,660 This show made me feel like I needed a shower after every episode. 552 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:48,660 You would like to. 553 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:51,780 Is there a lot of graphing people? 554 00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:52,780 No. 555 00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:56,500 I feel like every American Horror Story. 556 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,660 I'm like oh and someone's getting sexually assaulted there we go. 557 00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:00,660 Cool. 558 00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:04,380 I feel like season season one is dark but did you watch season two? 559 00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:07,340 Because season two is disgusting and I don't like season two. 560 00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:08,660 That's why we stopped watching. 561 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:10,660 It's because season two is amazing. 562 00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:12,180 It's going anywhere and it's gross. 563 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:13,180 Season three is amazing. 564 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:14,180 Yeah. 565 00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:15,180 No. 566 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:16,180 Season two is disgusting. 567 00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:18,140 Season three is coven and it's so fucking good. 568 00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:19,140 Oh my god. 569 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:20,140 Maybe I'll get that one. 570 00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:21,140 I'll get that one. 571 00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:22,140 You have to watch it. 572 00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:23,140 It's so good. 573 00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:24,140 It's so good. 574 00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:25,140 It's amazing. 575 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:26,140 Yeah. 576 00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:31,140 It's the minute somebody gets assaulted though I'm texting you. 577 00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:32,460 It's one of my favorite. 578 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:33,940 Which series of all time? 579 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:34,940 Oh shit. 580 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,140 Well then I do have to watch it. 581 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:38,140 Yeah. 582 00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:39,140 I love the movie. 583 00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:40,140 The movie. 584 00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:41,140 The movie. 585 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:42,140 The movie. 586 00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:43,140 The movie. 587 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:44,140 The movie. 588 00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:45,140 The movie. 589 00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:46,140 The movie. 590 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:47,140 Oh. 591 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:48,140 That one's fucked up too. 592 00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:49,140 But I love that movie. 593 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:56,740 Do you remember when I sent you that video of me naked outside getting buffy? 594 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:57,740 The movie. 595 00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:58,740 Yeah. 596 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:00,740 It was very last. 597 00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:01,740 Like okay. 598 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:05,740 Like a month before buffy died. 599 00:30:05,740 --> 00:30:07,740 She was like, "Oh my god. 600 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:08,740 She." 601 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:14,140 I was letting her out to go to the bathroom and it was nighttime and she was blind in her 602 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:18,740 final days and I was like, "I was naked and getting ready for bed." 603 00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:21,500 And I was like, "This will be fast, whatever." 604 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:26,300 Open up the screen door and she goes out and you know, she's doing her business and I'm 605 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:31,740 watching from inside and I see it make just a fast beeline to the pool. 606 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:34,140 And I'm like, "God damn it." 607 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:38,140 And I'm just butt fucking naked. 608 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:41,340 I'm like, "I'll hunched over for some reason." 609 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:44,820 And it's all captured on the ring camera and I'm like, "Hunching over to the dog." 610 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:51,540 And I whisk her up and run inside and it's that like grainy kind of green camera footage. 611 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:58,140 I showed it to Andrew and he said to you, "Look like you're in a Robert Egris movie." 612 00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:02,140 But really, you're about to cook her in a stew. 613 00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:03,140 Yeah. 614 00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:05,140 All right, Peeb, I'm pretty. 615 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:07,140 My precious. 616 00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:08,140 Yeah. 617 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:17,260 And then really kind of in 2018, we started to see a callback or a return to some of our 618 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:20,180 iconic characters, but with like a twist. 619 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,100 I absolutely love the show. 620 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,220 I think I like it more than the '90s one. 621 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,060 Maybe the chilling adventures of Sabrina. 622 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:29,700 I'm itbie on the show. 623 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:30,700 Yeah. 624 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,460 And it looks dark reimagining of Sabrina. 625 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:39,420 It talks about the satanic panic that we mentioned, feminist rebellion, gothic horror. 626 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,780 And it's a more serious shake. 627 00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:45,580 I will not forgive them for not giving me a talking cat in it. 628 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:46,580 Oh, 100%. 629 00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:54,220 But yeah, I think that I really, really liked the first two seasons of chilling adventures 630 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:55,220 of Sabrina. 631 00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:59,700 They let the creator of it go a little river deal at the end. 632 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,940 But the first two were so good. 633 00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:02,940 I totally agree. 634 00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:04,380 I loved the first season. 635 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,620 I think it went off the rails once and it was so river deal. 636 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:12,260 Once people start singing and there's like musical, I love a musical episode. 637 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:17,460 But if everybody's singing here in every episode, it feels very Disney like we're trying 638 00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:23,380 to launch these actors singing careers and especially if no one's like that good. 639 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:24,380 Yeah. 640 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:27,420 And I also didn't like the way it ended with. 641 00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:28,420 Gosh, her boyfriend. 642 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:30,500 Oh, yeah. 643 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,020 I mean, it came out eight years ago. 644 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:34,020 A little podcast. 645 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,780 You don't have to spoil everything. 646 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:38,300 I hated the ending. 647 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:39,300 Okay. 648 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:40,300 Thank you. 649 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:41,940 I hated what they did with her and Harvey. 650 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:42,940 Nicholas Scratch. 651 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:44,980 I hated what they did with Nicholas Scratch. 652 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:46,980 So yeah, I don't know. 653 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:48,380 I guess that's all I'll say. 654 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:51,220 But we move into Olivia. 655 00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:52,740 I love spoiling things. 656 00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:55,740 I'm just going to spoil everything. 657 00:32:55,740 --> 00:33:00,260 2020's witchcraft examples. 658 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:06,420 We have two marvel examples of witchcrafts in the last witchcrafts, which is in the last 659 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:07,420 year. 660 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:08,420 Witchcrafts. 661 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,660 Witchcrafts in the past five years or so. 662 00:33:10,660 --> 00:33:16,940 Wanda Maxima of slash the Scarlet Witch became Marvel's breakout witch figure tragedy, 663 00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:22,980 grief, power, all portrayed with genuine emotional weight in the MCU. 664 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:25,140 I love Wanda Maxima. 665 00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:28,460 I think she is so complicated. 666 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:36,300 She starts out as she's in the X-Men in the comics and she has her brother, quick silver. 667 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,140 I'm going to spoil this because this movie came out fucking years ago and I feel like everyone's 668 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:41,140 seen it at this point. 669 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:47,500 Age of Ultron, he dies, but she, you know, starts out as evil in the MCU and then kind of 670 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,580 comes to the good side and joins the Avengers. 671 00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:58,460 But then as we see in WandaVision and Dr. Strange and the multiverse of madness, she becomes 672 00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:04,740 a very complicated, morally gray character who's willing to do anything to get her family 673 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:08,940 back even if it's killing anybody who gets in her way. 674 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:10,180 And I just love her. 675 00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:14,940 I love all of her arc and I hope she comes back into the MCU soon. 676 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:15,940 Love it. 677 00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:22,860 We also meet another iconic MCU which in WandaVision in the form of Agatha Harkness. 678 00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:32,020 So she became so popular from WandaVision that they gave her her own show Agatha all along. 679 00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:33,820 She's got that catchy theme song. 680 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:37,220 It was Agatha all along. 681 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:43,900 She is a fan favorite villain but also a broader cultural moment around the word which identity 682 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,900 reclamation, feminism, queer identities. 683 00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:47,900 True, okay. 684 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:48,900 Yeah. 685 00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:57,140 There is a lot of crossover with, you know, gay and witches which we will talk more about. 686 00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:58,140 Goat. 687 00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:01,940 And then of course, Hocus Pocus too. 688 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:05,780 We talked a little bit about the first Hocus Pocus but you know where that money is. 689 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:07,380 Got to make a see-ha. 690 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:08,860 And true me fashion. 691 00:35:08,860 --> 00:35:10,380 I didn't watch that. 692 00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:11,380 What? 693 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:12,380 No. 694 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:13,380 That's okay. 695 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:15,380 Yeah, it was like cash grab. 696 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:16,380 Not really. 697 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:17,380 It's cute. 698 00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:18,380 Watch it. 699 00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:19,380 Watch it to giggle. 700 00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:20,380 It's fine. 701 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:21,380 It's fine. 702 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:25,500 We are going to take a quick break and then we are going to talk about who our favorite 703 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:34,660 witches are and what kind of witch powers we wish we could have. 704 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:40,060 While Olivia and I can be very witchy in the best possible way, we don't really have magical 705 00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:41,060 powers. 706 00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:42,060 Unfortunately. 707 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:46,260 We have to work for a living just like you do. 708 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:51,060 But you can make a little magic happen for us if you check out our Patreon. 709 00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:55,220 Join the pop culture junkie, Cavan and help us keep the podcast going. 710 00:35:55,220 --> 00:36:00,820 We are not asking for much even the smallest amount will make a big difference. 711 00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:04,260 And of course, we have something special for anyone who joins. 712 00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:10,580 Find out how easy it is to get uncut early access to each episode or a super special 713 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:20,020 shout out when you go to patreon.com/popculturejunkiepodcast and subscribe. 714 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:27,260 Olivia, tell me about your favorite witches or just some honorable mentions that we haven't 715 00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:28,860 talked about yet. 716 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:34,740 As I mentioned, I love me, some American horror story, Cavan. 717 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:39,060 So honestly, all of them, I freaking love them. 718 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:50,620 I think that if I had to pick one of my favorites, it's going to be a real witch in our world. 719 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:53,060 It's going to be very level. 720 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:57,980 And she is the real voodoo queen of New Orleans. 721 00:36:57,980 --> 00:37:02,140 And she was born a free woman of color in 1801. 722 00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:07,180 She became a religious leader, healer, community activist and entrepreneur. 723 00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:12,740 She's been working her own beauty parlor while working as an herbalist and midwife. 724 00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:19,980 As the city's third voodoo priestess, she both together traditions from conjure to Catholicism 725 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,660 that is still very present in New Orleans. 726 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:30,100 And she is portrayed by Angela Bassett in American Horror Story, Cavan. 727 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:31,420 So good. 728 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:39,740 I think that in the story, because I want you to watch it, she is very much like a villain. 729 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:43,940 I mean voodoo is quite dark in practice a lot of the time. 730 00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:46,620 They're sacrificing animals, things like that. 731 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:49,100 And you let Ryan Murphy in there. 732 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,700 So there are some crazy videos within that. 733 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:55,500 No, I don't think there's a dog that does. 734 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,260 Given the fact that it's not stuck in my head, but I'll go to does the dog die.com. 735 00:37:59,260 --> 00:38:00,260 It's okay. 736 00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:01,860 There you go. 737 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:06,620 I think it's a really, she's just an iconic, like real person. 738 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:10,300 And also just Angela Bassett's portrayal of her is great. 739 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:13,060 And that's what I mean when I say I love an evil witch portrayal. 740 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:14,060 Yes. 741 00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:15,060 I agree. 742 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,220 I'm going to have to give it a whirl. 743 00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:20,540 I didn't realize that there was like real life witches in there, the big, you know, historical 744 00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:21,540 witches in New Orleans. 745 00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:22,540 And the second New Orleans. 746 00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:23,540 Yeah. 747 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:24,540 I love New Orleans. 748 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:25,540 I'm going to. 749 00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:26,540 I can't. 750 00:38:26,540 --> 00:38:30,220 As I teased a little earlier, one of my favorite pop culture witches is Sabrina Spell. 751 00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:34,740 Melman, but specifically from the 1990s show. 752 00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:38,260 And I know that it's cheesy and corny. 753 00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:44,180 And you know, her and her aunts are not the most powerful of witches. 754 00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:45,180 I don't know. 755 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:48,740 Like they're powerful, but they are just going to do it for high jinks, right? 756 00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,340 But this show held such like ups place in my heart. 757 00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:57,100 Like my mom and I watched it all the time on a TGIF every Friday night. 758 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,500 We would go and like sit in the couch and watch Sabrina. 759 00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,820 It made me want a black cat so bad. 760 00:39:03,820 --> 00:39:04,820 I got it. 761 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:05,820 I know. 762 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:09,460 Yes, I have my my obsidian now. 763 00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:13,900 But the show stars Melissa Joan Hart as Sabrina on her 16th birthday. 764 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,500 She learns that she has magical powers. 765 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:22,540 She lives with her 600 year old aunts Hilda and Zelda and their magical talking cat Salem 766 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:27,980 who is actually a warlock who tried to take over the world and had to be turned into a cat 767 00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:31,100 as his punishment. 768 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,340 It definitely ran for a little too long, you know, they stretched it out. 769 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:39,300 And all those shows kind of suffer from the same like when they're in high school, it's 770 00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:40,300 really great. 771 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:44,540 And then they try to get in the college years and the adult years and it starts to peter 772 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:45,940 off a little bit. 773 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:53,940 But it went from 1996 to 2003 over seven seasons and I loved that show. 774 00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:54,940 Yeah. 775 00:39:54,940 --> 00:40:03,060 I speaking of like iconic 90s, which is a very hard to pick between the Owen sisters, but 776 00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:08,300 one, I think Gillian Owens really is like my one of my favorite, which is first of all 777 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,540 so iconic Nicole Kidman in that whole movie is like all of my. 778 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:13,540 What was the movie again? 779 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:17,100 The movie is a very practical film. 780 00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,100 Practical magic. 781 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,020 And so yeah, I think as she looks good, she is good. 782 00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:22,420 She's kind of a mess. 783 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:28,860 I feel like I really do resonate with like messy, but a hard-of-goal the characters. 784 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:29,860 Feel that. 785 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:30,860 Feel it. 786 00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:31,860 Yeah. 787 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:35,500 Where it's like, you don't make the best decisions, but you have good intentions. 788 00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:38,060 Yeah, that's kind of subredated too. 789 00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:39,060 Yeah. 790 00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:44,940 Nicole Kidman in it, like, oh my gosh, most of my Pinterest outfits are hers. 791 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:47,060 And that looks so good. 792 00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:48,060 So hard. 793 00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:55,060 And their magic is pretty like wide-spanning if I had to say like, okay, what is that that 794 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:56,060 look like? 795 00:40:56,060 --> 00:41:00,900 And you know, Sandy was close, but she's a little altruistic for me. 796 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:01,900 I agree. 797 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:07,100 Nicole Kidman's definitely the more interesting character I think in the movie. 798 00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,340 And I'm excited to see what they do with the second one. 799 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,660 I'm glad that they're getting most of the original cast back. 800 00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:15,740 This is no surprise to anybody who's ever met me. 801 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:21,700 But one of my favorite, which is, as I mentioned earlier too, is Willow Rosenberg from Bubby 802 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,580 the Vampire Slayer. 803 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:26,340 She was portrayed by Alice in Hanigan. 804 00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:33,900 She started off as Bubby's shy, nerdy computer loving best friend who really like uses her 805 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:39,900 intelligence, her hacking skills, her book smarts to help Bubby slay demons and vampires. 806 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:45,740 Comes into her own, comes out as gay, gets a girlfriend, girlfriend dies. 807 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:49,380 She becomes evil, tries to destroy the world and then becomes good again. 808 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:52,340 I mean, who amongst us? 809 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:53,820 Homest among us. 810 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:54,820 Homest. 811 00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:59,620 Her, which craft is definitely an allegory for like her sexuality as well. 812 00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:05,860 And they make that running joke a lot throughout the series of like, oh, Willow is exploring 813 00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:06,860 a lot in college. 814 00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:12,900 And it's like that snudge, wink, wink, you know, which craft and other things. 815 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:18,740 Her girlfriend, Tara, is also a witch and is just that full OE skirt 90s whims of 816 00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:20,100 Goth, which you know. 817 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,180 So I love Willow. 818 00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:27,140 You know, the series is definitely my favorite show of all time. 819 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:29,740 The Dark Willow is just iconic. 820 00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:34,740 It's interesting how they compare magic to like her being a drug addict, which you know, 821 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:37,820 is more successful in some episodes than others. 822 00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:45,060 It's addicted to magic and goes to like a magic crack, Dan gets her fix and like gets 823 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:46,780 into a magical car accident. 824 00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:51,500 Yeah, it's, it's a little silly, but it's definitely kind of like an, you know, overarching 825 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,300 theme there to addiction and recovery. 826 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:55,300 And yeah. 827 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,500 So I love it. 828 00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:02,860 I want to know who do you think is some of the examples of the most evil witches in pop 829 00:43:02,860 --> 00:43:10,540 culture or the like dumbest most like really that's her power or that's their power. 830 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:17,420 Yeah, I think I mean, you have to say like Melisandre, right? 831 00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:18,740 Evil or lame? 832 00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:19,740 Evil, evil. 833 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:23,980 I got also lame to sacrifice and burn children. 834 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:24,980 Yes. 835 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:31,980 I would say that another one that like when I was really young in stuck in my head as like 836 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,460 the evil witch was Ursula, right? 837 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:35,460 Oh, yeah. 838 00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:40,340 What do you mean you're going to take my voice just because I want like legs? 839 00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:42,340 Why not? 840 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:46,460 So what can no less than us? 841 00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:51,580 I do think Ursula is an interesting example because she kind of fits into that like if 842 00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:59,260 you're quote unquote ugly than your evil like in, you know, she fed that like queer like 843 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:02,260 she's, you know, she's overweight. 844 00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:07,900 She's, you know, definitely a little like gay coded and she must be evil if she's not 845 00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,540 real thin and gorgeous. 846 00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:12,060 Lusting for a man. 847 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:13,060 Yeah. 848 00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:14,060 Exactly. 849 00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:15,060 She doesn't want a man in her life. 850 00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:16,060 I kind of like Ursula. 851 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:17,060 She's like bitch, really? 852 00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:19,060 You're like her now. 853 00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:22,060 For a man you're 16. 854 00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:23,060 Yeah. 855 00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:31,380 I know I feel like you're watching her as a kid and you're like, I think that the witch from 856 00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:38,940 Snow White is super done like like she hates so much like the evil witch. 857 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:39,940 Yeah. 858 00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:41,940 Her and Maleficent. 859 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:45,300 Like I like Maleficent now like kind of the character that they've made her into and 860 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:49,060 like I love Angelina Jolie's portrayal in the aesthetic of Maleficent. 861 00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:51,060 She can turn into a dragon that's sick as hell. 862 00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:57,300 But like both of those witches are definitely like no one could be pretty or younger than me 863 00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:01,380 killing for many, which is what an evil woman must do, right? 864 00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:03,260 Yeah, but she can't age. 865 00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:04,260 No, we can't. 866 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:06,260 We're not allowed to. 867 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:07,260 Go too far. 868 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:08,260 Yeah. 869 00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:11,020 So if you're aging, then you're evil. 870 00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:15,340 If you, if there's someone prettier than you, then you must be jealous of them and therefore 871 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:16,340 evil. 872 00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:17,740 So kind of stupid there. 873 00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:19,140 But that's Disney movies, right? 874 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:23,940 We're a little rooted in the Saagini, but I do like how they kind of, you know, what they've 875 00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:27,620 done with Maleficent now and kind of like fleshing out her character. 876 00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:31,620 I think some evil witch shout outs could be Bellatrix Lestrange. 877 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:32,620 She's pretty evil. 878 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:34,420 Oh, that's a good one. 879 00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:36,420 She's pretty evil. 880 00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:38,460 All of the defaters. 881 00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:41,980 All of the dev eaters are pretty, pretty evil. 882 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:42,980 I don't know. 883 00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:47,220 I love pop culture witches and I will, I definitely think that you should read the book that I mentioned 884 00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:48,220 at the beginning. 885 00:45:48,220 --> 00:45:50,420 It's fascinating and just kind of that cross over the tree. 886 00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:51,420 Oh, yeah. 887 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:52,420 I'm about to start. 888 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:53,420 Yeah. 889 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:54,420 Saagini again. 890 00:45:54,420 --> 00:46:02,060 It is called Witch's Sluts and Feminist, Contrary the Sex Positive by Kristen J. Soley. 891 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,820 Before we jump off to, I have one more question for you. 892 00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:09,900 Where are you and where are you and which what powers which you want? 893 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:14,180 I feel like this might be cheating, but I would want like elemental powers. 894 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:15,180 No, that's so weird. 895 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:20,020 I can control like earth magic. 896 00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:22,500 I think that's what I would want. 897 00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:23,740 She's an earth bender. 898 00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:27,140 Yeah, like I think that's probably what I would want. 899 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:28,140 I love it. 900 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:29,140 I could grow things. 901 00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:33,660 I could control stone, like dirt, things like that. 902 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:36,180 Or green, which I love it. 903 00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:42,500 I definitely, yeah, control the weather, make it rain and Phoenix, like make it not 150 degrees 904 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,500 of weather. 905 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,820 Do it for me, please. 906 00:46:46,820 --> 00:46:53,660 I think I would like Wanda Maximoff's powers, but I promise not to use them to create a fake 907 00:46:53,660 --> 00:46:57,060 town to trap everybody in. 908 00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:59,260 Just like the reality manipulation, telekinesis. 909 00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:00,260 Okay. 910 00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:02,260 She's like demoddy powers. 911 00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:03,260 Yeah. 912 00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:05,060 She can fly. 913 00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:09,980 She can like warp things around her, create barriers, fight people. 914 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:10,980 I love it. 915 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:12,260 She's sick as hell. 916 00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:13,340 Okay. 917 00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:14,980 I think I would want that. 918 00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:16,740 Would you ride on a broomstick? 919 00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:18,500 Fuck yeah. 920 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:21,300 You told me about riding on broomsticks. 921 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:22,300 Yeah. 922 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,900 Say it real fast before we go because that was a long time ago. 923 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:25,900 Oh my goodness. 924 00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:26,900 Yeah. 925 00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:27,900 Okay. 926 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:35,060 Which is on broomsticks was there was like a hallucigen drug that people were doing and 927 00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:40,460 they were putting it on to wooden broomsticks and sticking it up their hoo ha's. 928 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:41,460 Yeah. 929 00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:45,700 Whenever they would do that, they would see like a they would hallucinate. 930 00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:46,700 Illucidate. 931 00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:47,700 Illucidate. 932 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:48,700 So they would act. 933 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:49,700 Yeah. 934 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:50,700 They would act a little crazy. 935 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:55,300 And so the witches on the broom came from, you know, people just doing drugs up their 936 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,300 hoo ha. 937 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:57,460 They were having a good time. 938 00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:58,460 They were boofing. 939 00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:03,300 They were, well, boofing is three or but so they're, I guess they were boofing. 940 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:04,300 They were boofing. 941 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:11,340 You know, better help nose flinter is in there because that would really hurt. 942 00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:17,140 But, you know, I feel like you could work now with like plastic broom and bolts. 943 00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:18,140 Yeah. 944 00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:20,780 What was the name of what they were doing? 945 00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:22,580 Write that down real fast. 946 00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:23,580 Boofing. 947 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:24,580 Can I move with my spoon? 948 00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:26,580 It's with a wet mop. 949 00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:27,580 Okay. 950 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:28,580 It's got it. 951 00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:31,580 It's picking stuff up later, you know. 952 00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:36,860 You're gonna be visited by Jack Nicholson and he's gonna move you. 953 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,580 He's gonna want to move me on a swiffer wet. 954 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:47,140 Or maybe he'll ask if we can do it and I'll be like, I don't need you, Jack. 955 00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:52,140 I have my swiffer dipped in hallucinogenic drugs. 956 00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:55,860 And then Anthony Hopkins will show up and show me foster. 957 00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:01,580 She doesn't want to fall for you. 958 00:49:01,580 --> 00:49:05,060 She doesn't want to do it. 959 00:49:05,060 --> 00:49:08,420 Oh my God. 960 00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:09,420 Okay. 961 00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:12,900 I think we're gonna wrap this up. 962 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:17,980 Thank you for falling under our spell on this episode of Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. 963 00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:21,540 Olivia, where can the listeners find you on social media? 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