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The book had the like shaky energy of someone that was unstable.
It gave me you vibes, do you know what I mean?
>> They billions of dollars, he didn't give them fuck, about what we're saying here.
>> From part when you're like, what's gonna happen?
What's gonna happen?
That first free fund, massive bottle, insane bottle.
I didn't consider it trash at all.
>> They're not diarrhea, you know.
>> It's gross.
>> He broke some of the book for another.
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>> Hello everyone and welcome back to Mean Book Club.
This week we read The Silent Patient by Alex Michaelides.
>> That's true.
>> It's true.
>> I love that you have the phonetic spelling.
>> I can't help you.
>> You can't help it.
>> You get it from my text that I sent that you never replied to.
>> No, I don't remember this text.
>> Is that better or worse Sabrina that it was completely ignored?
>> It is worse.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> How in what world could it be better?
>> It's check out text right now.
>> It doesn't matter how much I'll figure that out later.
>> Jason, we're not even seeing you yet.
>> We've got to introduce ourselves first.
>> That wasn't his joke.
>> I just wanted my presence to be known.
>> I like it.
>> It was a great intro.
>> It came in with the depression.
>> We are a book club.
We read New York Times best sellers that were like should they be?
>> We have a lot of fans.
>> Please read this.
>> Please read it down.
>> This is a book.
>> I didn't want to say fuck it.
>> I wanted to be classier.
>> I was always one of your house Sarah.
>> What's up?
>> Clara.
>> John is gray.
>> And Sabrina be Jordan.
>> That's all I guess for today.
>> I'm sorry.
>> I didn't tell you my name.
>> But you've already heard the voice.
You probably also heard of Roberto Miss Jason.
But let me do a intro as though you know none of that.
He's a college educated documentary film producer.
>> Cat pair of two.
>> And one of San Francisco's top drug dealers.
>> Or at least he was.
>> And he talks about it.
>> And he's been a hard tweak of world, which releases March 7.
And even more impressive than all that.
I was his junior prom date.
It's Jason Yavis.
>> Oh, my God.
>> I completely forgot.
>> I genuinely am shocked.
>> I'm not sure.
>> Like you treated Sabrina's text.
>> This part is like, I'll make up for you.
>> Wow, not a night tour.
>> I remember.
>> I did not hang out all you immediately abandoned me at that prom.
>> Is that true?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, funny.
You were dating someone else.
>> Why didn't I go with them?
>> I think you just missed like you were newly together.
>> Oh, sure.
>> You had a date before.
>> Yeah.
>> And so you were like.
>> I literally brought Sarah.
>> I said, I don't want it to go any longer that people still think I date women
because if a straight man came into this female driven podcast,
I'm a house as aggressive as I feel.
>> I feel like people are going to turn out.
>> No, Jason is not just what I mean.
>> Yes, I don't think there was anything in that introduction about me being gay.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> But there should be because, yeah, just wanted to let that.
>> It should have been connected to the prom date disclosure.
>> Correct, Sarah.
>> She should have mentioned it.
>> Sarah was one of the last.
>> She was among the few.
>> The way Jason managed to make himself the victim.
>> After a story about barely letting Sarah to prom in the ditching her.
>> All men are equally as manipulative.
It's just a matter of whether it's permitted or not.
>> And it is permitted to get the same way.
>> You literally ripped these lines right off of the jacket.
>> That is not even from my bio.
You ripped it from the synopsis of the book.
>> And that's the kind of research you get on me.
>> Well, I did ask you moments before.
You said I to do it myself.
I was like, fuck that you're doing it.
You don't know you're doing it.
All right, guys, this book, who recommended it, how do we find it?
This book actually came recommended from two of our fans.
One was Barbie steal on Instagram.
She said this silent patient was a snooze, but it has whatever views.
And Gillian Tobin, did I Gillian?
>> It's definitely Gillian.
>> It's probably Gillian.
>> I knew.
>> Sorry, Gillian Gillian says it is the perfect NBC book author had a failed screen writing career,
which she knew would peek our interest for you know.
And we like authors with stories and interesting backgrounds and things we can get to read.
>> If I can't do it, they can't do it.
>> Exactly.
>> So guys, how did you read this book?
Jason, you know what I'm saying?
>> I wasn't going to go for it.
>> Okay.
>> But I asked you first.
>> I will.
I listened to it.
I did not read it, which is how I prefer to take in a thriller.
>> You know what?
I agree with you.
>> Okay.
>> I listened to it and I also had the thought that I was like,
"What I like this lesson if I was reading it?"
I just also think the voice actor was doing it,
but the narration was really good.
>> Yeah, I agree.
But in general, I separate literature from trash books.
And I like some trash books and then I like to listen to them.
But there are two different categories for me.
Okay, so this does not fall under literature.
>> It's literary.
>> Okay.
>> It's a book.
>> It's prose.
>> It's a literature.
>> It's technically, yes, it is.
It is.
Okay, I'm not going to give my-
>> Yeah, you're an author.
I know sometimes we have authors on the pod.
They're like nervous about being mean to books.
>> No, no.
>> I don't want anybody to mean to you.
>> Because they're obsessed with books.
>> I've never read a book.
>> Okay, great.
Perfect.
>> Perfect.
>> All right, guys, how did you read it?
>> Okay, I also did audiobook from the library.
And it was a fun way to do it.
>> It really is.
>> I'm sorry to cut you off.
I always forget that you can get audiobooks from the library.
>> Yeah.
>> We're big library heads now.
>> You should be anti.
>> I just don't want to read it.
>> So he had a bunch of-
>> That's good too.
>> Sorry.
>> I somehow got them.
A bunch of free trials of that app screen,
but it finally ran out.
>> I actually got a bird.
>> I got mine from script, all free trial.
They just set you free trial.
If you cancel them, they'll be like, you want a free trial.
>> Yeah, they got me.
>> Desperate, it's really sad script what you're doing.
I feel bad for you.
>> I got my book out of the library, a regular book copy,
and the weirdest thing was going on in the book,
which is that someone had in very light pencil strokes,
underlined and circled and squiggly,
and vaguely drew on certain words.
And I couldn't find a rhyme or reason for it,
but some things would be circled like the relationship
between parent and child.
Psychotherapeutic outcomes.
And it was so creepy.
>> On the thing.
>> Yeah, thank you.
>> Because it's been like,
>> We're trying to figure out the mystery.
It's like they're trying to figure out what's their psychological problem.
>> Yes, I really feel that the book had the shaky energy
of someone that was unstable,
and it was given to the authorities.
>> And the worst part is that person hasn't spoken in years.
>> They were trying to give you a cake.
>> That was my best.
>> Go back.
>> You're still up the boat.
>> Look who's on the flip before you.
Is that still a library of books?
>> Absolutely not.
>> I'm so excited.
>> Yeah.
>> So bring it how to do read it.
I got an audio book from the library.
Of course, listen to it at three times speed while you're asking.
>> Well, we'll see how my recollection of this book goes.
>> Three times faster.
>> Yeah, she's Sabrina.
>> She's a little free hyperbolic.
>> No, she does that.
>> She's gone faster.
She would go faster, but the library caps you at the right.
>> Yeah, we'll be caps you at three times speed.
But if you have it on the,
I think if you have it in the audible app,
you can go up to three point five.
>> Oh, my God, it sounds like a nightmare.
>> Yeah, but she gets the-- >> She's not well.
>> [LAUGH]
>> They got me good.
>> Oh, that little drink going to your head, Clara.
>> Oh, no.
>> All right, guys.
>> We got into that part yet.
>> You guys excited for your next segment.
It's called Sarah Sums it up.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I cannot wait.
>> Is that not the name of the segment to where--
>> It used to be Sabrina sums it up, but she's doing it.
>> She's doing it.
>> Yeah.
>> Because Sabrina owns it.
>> And so prepress on.
>> Yeah, okay.
>> It's up every book, which is a lot of work.
>> She loved it.
>> No, I've done it, and I know I could promise you
it's about 15 minutes of work.
>> Yeah, but you have to really make sure you
understand the book to summarize it.
>> So you have to read the book in three times speed.
>> That's what I mean.
>> She's done.
>> All right, guys, if you scroll down, you guys all have parts.
Just making sure Jason, you can read that.
>> I only have one line.
>> I'm Theo.
>> Yeah, I gave you the bigger role, because he's doing his own
audiobook, so I figure he's really--
>> Well, I have a unique voice that people love.
>> All right, well, you do.
>> I do.
>> To make your part shine.
I gave you a great part.
>> Okay.
>> I have one line.
>> Could make sense.
>> No, we never do that at a time.
We all know what's his reason.
>> No, it's our sketch.
>> We like it to be fresh.
>> That's right.
>> And real.
>> And then also criticized me on how difficult it is to read it
in the typo, et cetera.
>> But just to give you the feeling Jason, like,
you're a Theo, you're the main character, so like,
just like an air of mystery to you, very serious.
And there will be music placed underneath this to help out.
So just like, know that.
>> Is there really?
>> Yes, I will put music on it.
>> You're like, "Lin, I'm not lying."
>> Okay.
>> I think you're ready.
>> What?
>> Wait, I forgot who I said I was.
Okay, now I see.
Okay.
And go.
>> One night, a photographer comes home to his loving wife,
a painter, only to be met with the barrel of a gun.
Shot five times in the head, then silence.
She never speaks again, not at the trial, not after being sent to the
not house, not after six years have passed.
Tick-tuck.
>> Not a word.
>> Until she meets me, I'm Theo Faber, a forensic psychologist.
Forensic psychoanalyst.
And I just got me a job at the grove.
By the way, all of my weird pacing is because somebody on the Google document is highlighting.
>> I'm not a journalist.
>> Stop it.
>> Fuck you, John.
I'm taking that from I'm Theo Faber.
>> I'm Theo Faber, a forensic psychoanalyst.
And I just got me a job at the grove.
The very nut house in which the murderous Alicia lives.
For entirely transparent reasons, I must uncover why she killed or if it was even her who did it.
Could the real killer be Paul Rose?
>> I'm Alicia's cousin, and of course I didn't kill her.
We've been close since we were young and her mother tried to murder.
>> Sure, I gamble now, and I tried to get her to give me money.
Sure, I have attended C.T.T.'s violence like hitting people standing in my yard with a baseball bat without any warning.
But a killer?
>> Come on.
>> Could the real killer be Sean Felix Martin?
>> I run the arts studio that sold Alicia's heartwork.
And yes, after her death, I'm making a killer.
And sure, she very much wanted to end our working relationship in the month's prized to murder.
>> She also seemed scared of me.
I don't know why.
I'm just a gay art man, right?
>> Could the real killer be Max Barrens?
>> I'm the dead guy's brother, but I'm adopted, so I'm a lot less.
Why would I do it?
I only inherited his entire fortune, but I defended Alicia and Alicia and court.
Would her killer do that?
I also tried many times to fuck her behind my hot brothers back.
Would the killer do that?
>> Could the real killer be Kathy Ferber.
>> I'm your wife, Theo.
So, wow, you're bringing me into this.
Like you keep talking and talking about me.
Like half the book, and it's just like weird.
I mean, what do you think this is?
2013?
Could the murderer be your remedies?
>> I'm an ancient Greek player, right?
So, I don't really know why you're bringing me up, but I did write this awesome play called,
what was it?
>> It's best though.
>> Whatever.
>> But in it, this dude senses wife to die instead, and although she doesn't like
diaper real, she gets all pissy, and gives her husband the silent trait that women, am I right?
>> Tuned into the silent patient, and unraveled the mystery Wednesdays,
9 pm Eastern 10 pm Central on TBS.
>> Okay.
>> Great.
>> Wow.
>> Jason, can you read our intros or our summaries every time your voice is so good?
>> A little more sonorous than it normally is because I screamed on Monday.
>> Yeah, he acting class, and he screamed too much.
>> The worst part is I know how to scream, and I screamed badly.
>> Sounds like you have a lot of fun.
>> But you know what, you know what, it's interesting.
>> Okay.
First of all, Jean Felix, not sure about the voice you chose.
>> His name is Jean Felix.
I assume if anything we go French.
>> Your name is Jean-Nan.
You're not.
>> I was offended.
>> She's a gay man.
I was offended with the voice she used.
>> Okay, I'm going to say she's a bit of gayer.
>> That's awesome.
>> I tried to go French, and it just didn't have to be fair for fair for fair.
>> And then following that, the voice is a great place.
>> That was a choice based on the writing of the role.
>> It's true.
>> Like women am I right?
>> You showed up with the same caliber voice as the writing you were given.
>> You're a good guy.
>> Who's a good fall?
>> Yeah.
>> My ribbodies.
>> I'm going to put that on that one.
>> I'm going to put it on.
>> Okay.
>> Anyway, that was really succinct and short.
>> It's fairly long.
>> I've gotten so much black over the years for being too long to short.
>> It's not giving good enough roles.
>> And we really nice to be in the past.
>> You're right.
>> But it's John and Strog's welcome to the show.
>> John has people that go to the bathroom.
>> Yeah, I'm here for that.
>> Get to it.
>> You just added 90 seconds.
>> Okay.
>> So, okay, haters, guess who did work this week.
>> Prove.
>> Strog is called a painkiller.
It is a take on the classic painkiller, but way better in my opinion.
>> Why did we do a painkiller?
>> Because they are in as Sarah, so gently phrased it on that house.
>> And I thought it would be good to go with a medical theme.
>> So this is a painkiller, like a shot or a pill.
>> You might get.
>> And I even want so far as to find the recipe for you all so that you could have the same drink that I'm having.
>> So you want two ounces of rum for ounce?
>> Wait, what kind of rum?
>> Okay.
>> Well, the rest of you that I've called for posters, rum.
>> His posters are dark or light rum.
>> You have lighter dark as your poster.
>> She is so fucking proud of herself right now.
>> See the face of such a guy.
>> Oh, wow.
>> We have five.
>> I do not know if this is a dark poster or a light poster to be honest.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a dark piece.
>> Okay.
>> I expect that from you, Sabrina.
>> What?
>> The way I said it?
>> Wait, wait.
>> What does that mean?
>> Just run with it.
>> Whatever you're worried about in your mind, it just means run with that.
>> I'm not even, I skipped past poster and now, okay.
>> All right.
>> I do think it is a dark poster because I just have that memory.
>> Okay.
>> What did you use?
>> I used whatever we had.
>> I don't know what it is.
>> Well, I want you to tell us, it was a later, a dark.
>> I don't know the difference between light or dark rum.
>> I don't know what.
>> One looks dark.
>> Yeah, one's dark.
>> Both are brown, though.
>> Okay.
>> They're different shades of brown.
>> There's a black card here.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> I was a very versatile booze.
>> Okay.
So I really did add 90 seconds to this.
>> Okay.
>> However, once you have your rum of any you're choosing light, dark doesn't matter.
>> Four ounces pineapple juice, one ounce orange juice freshly squeezed.
>> Yeah, right.
>> Okay.
>> We have an orange squeezer and one ounce cream of coconut and then the secret ingredient.
>> What do you think it is?
>> It's coconut.
>> It's blacked out on this document.
Are you about to unblock it?
>> Yeah, you're going to reveal it to us.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> What's always the secret ingredient in everything?
>> Garlic.
Egg white.
>> Oh, good guess.
Bad guess to bring up for cocktail, but I respect you.
>> You said what is the secret ingredient in everything?
>> I agree.
>> Oh, fix me for up.
>> Okay.
I'm just going to say it.
It's not mag.
>> Not mag.
>> Not mag is the key.
>> Pretty big.
>> I let down.
>> Why?
>> Okay.
>> Not mag for the nut house.
I get you, John.
That makes so much.
>> No, that's not.
>> Nope.
>> It's sort of an offensive term, John.
>> It's nice.
>> I can't believe you're leaning into it, John.
>> This is what it's like, Jason.
You think it's funny, but it's a tack after a tack,
we got to a week.
And I'm glad you noticed it.
Even though you're not on my side.
I'm glad you noticed it.
>> You know you could.
>> But up up up up up up the chance.
>> She kind of looks like Maggie Rogers.
Little bit.
>> Who's Maggie Rogers?
>> Is that a friend of yours?
>> She.
>> You don't know Maggie.
>> You don't know Maggie Rogers.
>> I was singing.
>> So that might be.
It was the singing maybe.
>> That's not her.
>> It is it?
>> Yeah, it is her.
She looks a different with long hair.
>> Well, it's just a one over the hair.
>> Anyway, I didn't mean to take this into any longer territory.
>> Well, it's because it's gone there.
But you know, we can talk more about it during this commercial break.
We'll be right back for a silent patient.
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>> We're back from the break.
>> Over there.
>> Now we are.
>> Amazing.
>> Wow.
>> I feel so much better.
>> Yeah.
>> We have so much podcast.
I don't know how we've come so far and done so little.
>> I really don't know.
>> It might have been the summary, but what can go on?
>> I think it's my phone.
>> Okay, so here's the background.
This book, the silent patient.
Obviously, New York Times.
It's also a Sunday Times best seller.
Over 3 million copies sold.
It won the Goodreads Choice Award.
Best Mystery and Thriller 2019.
>> And it wasn't New York.
Number one New York Times best seller.
And some of these best sellers are kind of like,
they're on secondary and unique New York Times charts.
This is like a serious best seller.
>> Tell them you were at this book and continue to read it.
>> People love a twist.
>> People love a twist, twist, twist, twist.
And as you guys know, from the summary in it,
it's about someone murdering there.
It has been going completely silent through a psychological treatment.
And it's about the doctor trying to get her to speak.
>> Now that's a summary.
>> Yeah, you're right.
That's what you wanted because that would you want to come on.
>> Now that's a summary.
>> Now this is the day-bu novel of the author,
Alex Michaelidis, who's obviously he's Greek guys.
>> Same.
>> Yeah, I think you'll be able to explain a lot of the Greek references.
>> Yes.
>> I'm sure.
>> I don't know anything.
>> Okay.
>> How Greek are you?
>> You were Thomas.
>> My last name means Cheers in Greek.
>> I didn't know that.
>> Texts from people when they go to Greece,
and they're like, "Everybody's saying your name."
>> That's right.
I forgot about that.
>> I didn't want to go.
I got to go.
>> But I know very little about the culture.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, yeah, you got to go.
>> The sisterhood of the traveling pants went there.
>> Yeah.
>> Does that convince you?
>> I was already convinced.
>> That just put it over the edge.
Now, my Gleadies Greek, you studied psychotherapy for a few years,
including a secure unit for young adults.
Obviously both of this business background is placed into the book.
The other thing you might need to know about him is that you used to be a screenwriter.
He wrote the devil you know,
starring with Rosemann Pike and John Morris.
>> Oh, Rosemann Pike.
>> You're going to say you love the movie.
Doesn't we like you saw it?
We can talk about it.
The con is on Parker Posey.
>> Oh, my third man.
>> Tim Ra.
>> Okay.
>> I love Parker Posey, the way that you feel about that other lady I'd never heard of.
Oh, my God.
>> I'm not a person.
>> No.
>> Well, but he hated it.
He said he called the experience his soul destroyed.
He actually really hated being a screenwriter.
>> Oh, can't take notes.
I'm guessing.
>> Yeah, he said.
>> How old is he?
Do we know how old he is?
>> Oh, God.
>> Yeah, this is a blurry notion from my research.
>> Oh, God.
>> I feel like he's, well, he's definitely old or he's definitely least in his 40s.
I would say, but I don't have the specific.
>> In his 40s is older.
>> Oh, I know.
>> I know.
>> I think he's like 45, 45, but good looking.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, when he smiles, he's good looking.
His picture on the back of the book is intense.
>> This is the image.
>> Scary music.
>> It's a good looking.
>> Yeah, it's a important note.
>> Yeah.
>> To be honest, Jason, you ask, you're like, "Uh, 40s."
>> He's no caroak.
>> Oh, he's no caroak.
>> All right.
>> Yeah, that was the redeeming quality.
>> He's no having way.
>> All right.
>> Just cut it.
>> Anyway, a lot of authors that book books we read are like, you know, 23 or 24
and it just makes you angry.
>> Yeah.
>> He had a best.
So I read at least, you know, he's got a history.
And so this book, the silent patient, he said he
rewrote this draft 50 times before finalizing it.
And he, and it was the frustration from the process of having to deal with production
and all that, writing a screenplay that made him be like, "I want to write something on my own."
I already mentioned your epities as inspiration for the plot.
And of course, it's going to be really helpful because Jason's really familiar with Greek tragedy.
>> I'm a Greek scholar.
>> And it's now adapted as a screenplay for Brad Pitt's production company, although I think it is in kind of
development hell because I haven't seen it updated on it.
>> He's not writing it or is he returned to screenwriting.
>> I don't know.
Actually, that's funny.
>> So.
>> I believe he is right.
He's the screenwriter on it as well.
>> Yes.
>> He's not having a lot of scenes.
It's back to hating being a screenwriter because it is still.
>> What was the short-soul what scroll up scroll up.
>> I'm sorry that I'm pulling the curtain back on how the podcast gets made.
There is a Google Doc.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> I'm sure they can tell that from the way that I'm going to go.
>> When I listen to your podcast, I pictured you all standing in a theater together in the same space.
I knew you weren't.
>> We used to when we all lived in Brooklyn.
>> We did.
>> We brought in together.
>> We had snacks.
>> It was good.
>> People hated how much the eight times.
>> Sabrina, what's her name?
>> I'm sorry.
>> You're the name of the name on the zoom anymore.
>> Well, this call is snacks.
>> Somebody is competing for a little fucker of the cat.
>> I know.
>> Do you like that we're going to call you snacks now?
>> I do.
>> He's a people of all snacks.
>> My God, I have to tell you all about the most Sabrina moment that happened.
>> Sorry, this is a total tangent.
>> I appreciate it.
>> As you all know, yes, Sabrina is the most confident human being that I have ever known.
It's wonderful.
>> Last Saturday we went out for Meg's birthday.
>> We went to karaoke.
>> Stake is my fiance.
>> Yes.
>> So, right as fiance.
So, there's a stage.
Right next to the stage is the bathroom.
>> The single bathroom for the place.
>> So, basically, if anyone's performing, you have to walk up between their microphone
and them.
>> Go to the bathroom.
>> The door opens wide.
>> It's very, very awkward.
I really had to go to the bathroom, but I was like, obviously, I can't do that.
It's just too humiliating.
I said to Sabrina, do you think there's another bathroom here or that's the only one?
>> My God, I hope that's the only one.
>> Then a few minutes later, she did use the bathroom and she danced up to the door.
>> That's it.
And then, actually, dancing.
And that's just a difference between going through the world as me and going through the world
as Sabrina.
>> And it's just, she wanted me to appreciate that.
>> Because I feel like I went from not even knowing her name to know it.
Really important attributes to her.
Really, she's next.
>> Really, she's next.
>> This is just a little bit.
>> I really, really enjoyed it.
>> I'm going to play with the naked of a pity.
>> You did as a brutal on this podcast.
>> Thank you.
>> Let's talk about the book though, I guess.
I already went through the characters beautifully.
I would say in the summary.
>> I mean, I always feel so.
>> I always feel so.
>> Do it.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah, feel.
Narrating the story for the most part.
He's the psychoanalyst who's obsessed with the murderous.
The murderous is silent, but we get her diary.
We start with her diary.
And then we get it every now and then.
And it's weird.
It doesn't seem like she wants to kill her husband in the diary.
Seems like she likes him.
>> And then right below that, we have Kathy, his wife, who's.
Sarah insists on giving a different last name.
Every time we come across Kathy's name,
it's spelled differently that her husband's last name,
which I appreciate.
You can put other right next to each other.
>> So Kathy Furber.
>> Yeah.
>> She's an actress and cheater in all capital letters.
That's the main thing we know about her.
She che-che-che-che-che.
>> She's American.
>> Yeah.
>> So in all the summarizing we're doing,
we're mostly talking about the murder, the interesting part,
but also the psychoanalyst guy.
There's like a sub story going on where he finds out
his wife is having an affair and he's trying to cure in the act.
Sort of, but he's also bad at catching her in the act.
But he does.
He does catch her in the act, and that he just hides in the bush
as like a base.
>> He got caught in the bush.
>> She got caught.
>> He got tangled.
>> I don't think he got tangled, but he couldn't scream out.
>> I feel like Kathy, I see you.
>> He enjoyed the hunt.
>> You think that?
>> So much.
>> Of course.
>> He liked that kind of pain.
>> Yeah.
>> And he was drawing it out.
I mean he had every opportunity to confront it.
And he made it.
>> Yeah.
>> He didn't actually want to confront it.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean he's immediately very damaged or very toxic person.
No, even as soon as he starts pursuing.
>> I think even before that, I don't know if this was the audiobook reading.
But Theo, the way he was, I mean I think it's also the was the writing.
He just seemed so evil from the get that I was like, I was interested in him.
Because of that, that I was like this guy.
It gave me you vibes, do you know what I mean?
Like I was like, I didn't, this guy's full of himself the way he's talking.
>> I related to him in certain ways.
>> So I saw his charm obviously.
>> Yeah.
>> He's dead.
>> I'm completely bald in.
>> Yeah.
>> Because I'm blinded by my own charm.
>> And he goes.
>> Yeah.
>> But I mean, I just, there was something under the surface of this character that I actually really enjoyed.
>> I enjoyed it.
>> You want to know if I enjoyed the books?
>> No, no, you enjoyed that aspect.
>> Yeah, I did.
>> I did.
>> That's right, this is going.
>> Okay.
>> I like to chew.
>> All right, good.
>> I also liked that it sounded from my three term speed.
>> Like the reader was breader.
>> Yep.
>> That's accurate.
>> He was.
That's an evil breadish.
>> I think that's why I didn't.
I think that's why disconnected from you a little bit Sabrina.
I hadn't memorized your name yet.
It was the three times speed that I judged it.
I think more than I realized in the time.
And I kind of put you over in the corner a bit emotionally.
>> And now I'm willing to.
>> Nobody put snacks in the corner.
>> Yeah.
>> Can I feel the mean book club T-shirt?
>> Yeah, yeah, we did need to make T-shirts.
>> All right.
>> We should get a T-shirt.
>> But I'm here with you now.
Anyway.
>> Did you guys who listen to it feel like when the narrator switched
into doing Kathy the wife's American accent that he added in a little bit of
dits? >> Yes.
>> All but yes.
>> I thought.
>> Yeah.
>> All of that women.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And you never felt like they really loved each other.
It always felt surfacey.
>> Like their relationship, even though they got
>> Yeah.
>> They didn't get into any establishing of the relationship
besides the fact that it was born out of
in fidelity.
>> Yeah.
>> Besides that, you don't really get why they love each other.
>> Yeah.
>> They say love it for sight a bunch of times.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's like proven.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's the first time I was in the audience.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's the only therapist that operated like a therapist.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's very true.
>> Yeah.
>> Because I feel like she gave away some free therapy at one point when
he showed up at her house like 10 p.m.
>> Well, she was like 90 years old.
>> At that point they had a lot of balls.
>> And it evolved.
>> Yeah.
>> But the best advice is given in that.
>> I actually thought about it because I just invited my therapist
who I had therapy with for the entire time I was writing my books.
I was like process in so much of it.
I invited her to my book event next month,
not that I'm plugging it.
>> Now please do.
>> I would like to go with that point.
>> And it's just going to be so interesting to have my therapist.
There, but anyway, I thought I was very connected to that relationship
in this book because I'm experiencing some degree of it.
>> Like kind of the kind of maybe taking a therapist relationship beyond what was expected.
>> Existing it, having it exist in a different realm and take a different shape
after it's not technically therapy anymore.
>> Yeah, certainly have to.
>> So I connect all over this book.
>> Well, yeah.
>> A little, I hope a little differently than the other person.
>> I'm just going to have to be a good day soon as well.
>> I don't know.
Are we going through the characters?
>> Oh yeah.
>> A little sweet.
>> Alicia.
>> They say it like that.
>> And that's a British accent.
>> Of course.
>> Fancy.
>> I do.
>> She is an artist.
Good at painting.
>> Murderers or husband never speaks again.
>> Next.
>> I thought it was funny.
>> I was confused because I thought like, oh, she must be like super duper hot.
>> Yeah.
>> Every character is obsessed with their one.
>> Yeah.
>> But Theo, particularly super obsessed with her.
>> Yeah.
>> And she's like, "Why, he transfers to the grow because he wants to work with her."
>> And so I was like, "Oh, she must be really hot."
>> But then when they describe her, it would be her drooling or something like really upset.
>> Well, okay.
>> That was what she thought of that.
>> I think it was a lot of medication.
>> Sure.
>> But I just mean like, I was like, "Can't be a hot thing."
>> He's not into everything.
>> I think she wants to fuck her.
That was all I was saying.
>> Well, I don't know if that's not true.
>> Yeah, I think she wants to fuck her.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Here's the thing is one, she was like a famous artist.
And so I do think that that evokes a lot of attraction, that type of thing.
>> And I think you firmly believe that without any proof from the text,
she was probably hot.
>> She's a red head.
>> She was a red head.
>> I don't think he had it.
>> I think he had it.
>> She affection for her.
>> I think that he was merely trying to control a tenuous situation.
>> Right.
>> Well, I think that said when we find out that was a twin thing.
>> Yes.
>> No, you can tell.
>> I mean, you're talking about that.
>> You're good.
>> I mean, he's definitely, yeah, he's like a narcissist,
Meglemaniac character, certainly.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, I think it was all about control.
Not about attraction.
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
>> I was trying to figure out why I brought that up is because I was like at the beginning trying to figure out why he was so obsessed.
>> Like they just kind of like said it and it was accepted and I was like,
>> Must be because he's hot and she's hot and he wants to fight.
>> She's famous.
>> And as it became obvious that that wasn't it, I still was like, why is he obsessed and then we finally.
>> I found it.
>> Yeah.
>> I thought it might have been, oh, sorry, good job.
>> I'm a man in a woman, can't be friends.
>> Yeah, you're right.
>> He's really wanting to be your friend.
>> Yeah.
>> I thought it was similar to the thrill of the hunt, like the detective mystery of it all.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm the one who can figure it out.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Best.
>> Yeah.
>> It was a little bit.
>> Yeah.
>> That the, like in the end you get an idea of why it was, but I think in the beginning there's like they leave it open for all those possibilities.
Like, oh, she, he's obsessed with her fame, he's obsessed with her being hot, he's obsessed with her for some reason.
And until we get to the end, we don't fully know what that reason is.
>> Can I ask if any of you guys were like, I figured out the twist at the beginning or like, I didn't think anything like that.
>> I thought, I didn't figure out the twist exactly, but I figured out a component of it.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, but considering you're listening on three times feed.
>> What do you think the twist was?
>> I thought for a little while, maybe he's actually a patient there.
I don't know, I thought like, oh, that's fun.
>> Like, like, like, like six cents kind of.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> I should have actually said it.
>> Exactly, I should have said it.
>> And I, but obviously that was not the case.
I just kept trying, I wanted, I was trying to guess the twist all the time because that had like, is what I heard about the book was that like, people who didn't like it were like, oh, the twist is so obvious.
Or like thought that.
And I was, so I was expecting to be able to figure it out early and I didn't, I certainly didn't.
>> I didn't, and I wasn't trying to, I took it at, you know, just tell me a story.
>> You know, there's a twist within the twist and I think I can tell you, say, talk about one of the things that I talked about the bigger one.
>> Yeah, we could talk about both.
>> And I wanted, hear the twist with the twist.
>> Well, just the fact that we're hearing two different stories and your assuming, yes, they're the same happening at the same time.
You weave them in via assumption.
>> Yes. >> And then when you get the reveal that, oh, no, that's a other story to place at a different time prior to the primary story.
It gives you a moment to re-conceptualize and look through new eyes.
And I think that is the most fun part of the twist.
>> I agree. That was, I really like that twist.
So as I'm clear, I mentioned before, throughout we're hearing stuff from FEO's perspective.
So in a way, they're kind of like three sections.
There's Alicia's diary, which is getting sprinkled throughout.
And that takes place, you know, let's say 20 months before the murder.
>> Yeah, months for the murder.
And then there is, at the, probably pretty much the same, that same timeline as the diary is.
So is recounting finding out Kathy's cheating and all this.
And then there is the timeline of FEO, like six years later, where FEO is her psychotherapist.
She's done the murder and he's trying to figure out why she, why she killed him and also trying to get her to speak.
And so you don't realize until the very end that the FEO is in two different timelines.
You think he's all, he's Kathy's cheating on him as he's treating Alicia, but then you realize, oh no, this happened around the same time Alicia.
>> I'm seeing someone stalking.
>> And that's what I wonder, I wonder because I remember as I'm listening to it.
>> I'm connecting how he's engaging with Alicia based on the emotional state I assume he's in from what is going on with Kathy at the time.
>> And it all makes sense. So in that way I give it to him.
He did write it where it all makes sense at one or, or I agree.
>> I draw in conclusions because.
>> No, I get worked.
I think it worked that you were like, oh yeah, he's, his mayor, just followed apart.
So that's one of the reasons he's becoming super obsessive with this patient.
It felt like it made sense, but you're like, nope, that's what happened.
He sort of leaned into it. Like when he's talking to the patient, he's like,
he like points out his wedding ring and it's like, this tells you something about me and now it doesn't.
Like they plant that seed in your head to make it feel like what's happening in his own life is affecting him here and make it seem like it is happening concurrently.
I did think because when you listen to an audiobook on any speed, you're going to miss some stuff because you know you're doing other stuff, you're looking at your phone, etc.
I thought that I maybe missed something about when they went back in time to tell me when the, like, what time period this went on in so far while I was like, I think this is in the past,
but then I gave up and just like whatever.
>> Whatever, I guess it's now.
>> Okay, so you, but that's it just even though like you thought that was quite close.
>> Yeah, it's close as close as close then it's like, Claire just sit back and it's good to know.
>> Yeah, I had a similar experience.
So I actually for me, the like quote reveal that they were in the same timeline, I didn't know at the time that it was revealed.
I like Clara was like miss something along the way.
>> Must be clear to the reader.
>> Yeah.
>> No, no surprise this all three times one time speed doesn't matter.
You got us.
But so basically in just to clarify plot lies, Alicia, you know, is writing an interdiary, which I really want to talk about how she writes an her diary in a second, but yes, she is like, increasingly paranoid.
Someone's following her, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and stalking her nobody believes her.
Like, like, maybe just her husband thinks she needs to take medicine and all the stuff is happening.
And then we see Theo start stalking the guy that Kathy's cheating with.
And then it like becomes clear that that guy is Gabriel, Alicia's husband.
And so the confrontation of the murder, we find out, we find out a little bit about what triggered her to murder and it's because Theo shows up and basically does the tells her that he was cheating on her and then also does the whole spestus thing.
>> Aggressive.
>> He's very aggressive in his interaction.
>> Yeah, aggressive.
>> That wasn't a nice, it wasn't good, it was definitely psycho.
>> Like, so she first she was right, someone was staring into their house.
So she doesn't know why he's there, he busts in with a gun and like ties her up and puts the gun on her and stuff.
And then Gabriel comes home, he hits in with a gun and tells it all of the, you know, that's when he tells.
>> You're cheating on you, blah, blah, blah, blah, it doesn't love you.
>> And it's the one I already want her to die.
>> And it's the one I want her to die.
>> And it is in the reference to the Greek tragedy that we talked about, like, I mean, that's being pepper throughout because she painted herself in the painting and then also in her diary she references going to see the play.
I did realize like, okay, that has to come to play, but I honestly even knowing that that had to come back some way in the plot.
I didn't figure out how I just was like, well, in the play, she's silent, but she comes back from death because she volunteers to die.
So did she die, did she have a, like, I was like, did she have one of those experiences where you like, what do they call NDEs?
Like a near death experience?
>> Like, I don't know, I just wasn't even close to what actually happened.
>> Jason, as the Greek method, what's your take on it?
I mean, is your epides as best a story just bad and confusing?
>> I've had a long stance that your epides should not be taught in schools.
And it should be banned from libraries.
>> And this is why because it causes people to kill.
>> Uh-huh.
>> So Brina would love that.
So Brina would love if a book was banned from a library.
>> Why?
>> She said it before.
>> Have I?
>> Yeah, I have.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> She said, I do.
>> Or should we banned?
>> No, I believe what I said was I wouldn't be on support banning books, but if I did, I could have
>> But if you banned it, she'd be cool with it.
>> I have a question about something I may be misdemeble.
>> Okay.
>> Theo, who does the alcester play thing of the book?
>> He was not actually what it is called, but it's best to sweetheart.
>> So let's go.
>> So he says to the cheating man, do you want to die or do you want your wife to die in your place,
which is what happens in the Greek tragedy?
Why is he recently seen or read that Greek tragedy?
Like we know Alisa.
>> No, Theo.
>> No.
>> Why is he doing it?
Why is he doing the play?
>> He didn't realize.
>> He's familiar with it.
>> And Greek tragedies in particular.
I think he knows them well.
>> I wondered if Kathy was like acting in it, but that wasn't that didn't wasn't connected.
>> That would have been better.
>> Yeah.
>> That wasn't.
>> Here in her recite her lines as he did that.
>> What a good connection.
>> What had been a better written.
>> But that wasn't in.
You know what it was.
>> Because he reads the play when he's giving her cycle therapy six years later.
He reads the play then.
>> Yeah.
>> But why did he do it?
>> I don't.
>> I just don't know why he did.
>> I also think he was doing it because of the play.
I think he's hoping was like I'm going to show her how little he cares about her.
>> Okay.
>> I'll kill one of you and make it.
>> So he just coincidentally.
>> I thought it was a coincidence.
>> I thought the very place she had just seen.
>> And I think it was part of the reason.
It was something that was driving him a little crazy.
Or like why he wanted to make her talk or wanted to treat her because he like he knew he caused her to do the murder.
But he didn't quite get how.
And he's like a psycho therapist.
>> Apparently.
>> Yeah.
>> He's so he says.
>> I think that that's coincidence is irritating to me.
>> And sure.
>> I have a question as well.
If your name is your rippity, what are you doing writing dramatic awful play?
>> Yeah.
>> It does sound like it's really fun.
>> Yeah.
Let's do something.
>> Some rippity, please.
>> Yeah.
>> Right a Greek thriller.
Right a high.
A Greek heist.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
It just feels wrong.
>> So good point.
>> No.
>> I got a space out.
>> You're at the east.
>> I would just like to note.
Because if there's one listener out there that says,
I think he just said brevity.
And that doesn't make sense.
The word I meant to say, I'm going to go with levity.
>> Oh, well.
>> I did that.
>> They'll nail you on that.
>> I can't stop.
>> And I as an, you know,
>> You just say, there's going to be an awful
>> What's our root?
>> And I don't want to get a rebutated in literary community.
>> Getting those two words.
>> Somebody who gets brevity in levity.
Confuse I know their different words.
>> Not even bringing levity bread.
>> Don't confuse me.
>> Really good word.
>> Yeah.
>> I can't get the kind of games you guys play over here.
>> Guys.
>> This is a content they can hammer.
>> Let's go on a quick commercial break.
But we come back.
I think like I really want to dig into like,
you know, the fun parts of this book.
The diary, the plot holes, the ropes, all that kind of stuff.
So we'll be right back.
>> Troop. Troop. Troop.
>> Yeah.
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>> And we're back.
Guys, I just want to say overall, like I'll say it.
You might have got it from what I'm saying.
I did enjoy this book.
But I still think, you know, there's a lot that we can make fun of and dive into.
And I want to start with Alicia's diary entries because,
when you start thinking about them in like a second,
they're just completely insane.
>> They're not diary entries at all.
>> It's prose.
>> She wrote some of the book for him.
>> Yeah.
>> She was like, "What about?"
>> What about at the very end when it's not exactly prose,
but it's maybe what you should be saying into a 911 quote.
>> That's more than once, okay.
>> He's in the house.
>> Here.
>> He's got me by the leg.
>> I wrote that.
>> I'm not going to hang out.
>> That we could do.
I mean, it would be nice for us.
>> Yeah.
>> What a lazy convention though.
>> Yeah.
>> Accessible.
People love it, but it's so lazy.
>> By the way, I was my whole take when I was coming on this podcast.
I was like, "I'm going to be the one who likes everything about it."
>> The boy we get started, it's just, you find reasons.
>> To be angry about it.
>> That's the secret.
>> They show up.
>> Yeah.
>> I really like it.
But I first of all, yeah, like what Claire's pointing out.
And then, like, also, she's like writing really beautiful prose,
well, she's like heavily sedated and like literally dying.
>> It's just really like the way it all works.
>> The drugs are taking.
>> I must carry.
I must make hast.
>> It's just so funny.
>> Yeah.
>> And just like, yeah, diet, full on dialogue happening in our journal.
>> It's also like, I mean, as far as the twist goes,
it didn't go as far as some books where they're just completely lying to us.
Like, in five years book where she looks down and she sees an engagement ring.
And that's how she describes it.
I see an engagement ring on her finger.
And then at the end of the book, it's not on her ring finger.
Nor is it a typical engagement ring at all.
>> She's like, oh, it was a string.
>> Yeah.
>> But it is deceiving us in a way to get us away from figuring out the twist.
But it's like, if you want to lead us away from the twist, do it in a way that would really happen.
>> Right a diary that would really happen.
>> Like, I think that they did lie to us in the twist.
What about when he was like, I almost didn't notice it.
When they all thought she had committed suicide at the very end.
And he was like, I almost didn't notice it on IV mark.
>> Well, he was lying though.
He was purposefully lying to us.
>> Was he?
>> No, to the people of the Grove.
>> People of the Grove.
>> I think he said it to us first, right?
Maybe I'm wrong.
>> There would be an unusual policy if he did that.
>> Yeah, I don't.
I feel like he was, this was all like, it was all about his interaction with the Grove.
And it's not like, but you're right.
It wasn't, I don't think he was like said, I said this and then he was like turned to the audience.
This is because it's a play now on my hand.
And was like, just kidding, I'm the one who put it there.
That was a reveal.
They let that be reveal.
He just didn't say the truth.
>> Which I guess.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I don't know.
>> Well, I funny.
Yeah.
I felt a little betrayed, but that happens in these books.
>> They would get over it.
>> I think this book is fun because I'm not sure if it's a book.
And because, well, there's a lot of red hairings in the book.
Obviously, just a lot of characters that you're introduced to as evidence by my really good summary that no one's complimented.
>> That they try to make you think that.
>> Nobody will.
>> And nobody will.
>> But then, like, he just drops it.
Like, you know, there's not really any.
The thread is never tied in a bow with like any of those.
>> Oh, he was obsessed with her.
He was upset.
He wanted to keep selling the art.
Or it was just kind of like brought up as, oh, maybe they did it.
And then left there.
Like, we just dropped it, moved on.
>> Well, that's because we found out that the other guy did it.
What do you mean?
>> I just think like, it would have felt better if we had seen those story lines like come to some sort of, okay.
>> No.
>> So like, this is what I'll say.
>> Oh, sorry, Clara.
>> No, I'm not going to say.
So those didn't tie up.
But they couldn't have resolved before the twist because then it would reveal us.
>> Sure.
>> That's very accurate.
>> That's not the answer.
>> And then after the twist, it was like, oh, those were red herrings.
>> Yeah.
>> So I'm okay with that, not closing up.
And, you know, not everyone got the twist with those red herrings thrown in if they had been resolved.
>> Sure.
>> You know who I never suspected, you know who I didn't suspect was the cousin.
>> Yeah, I didn't really suspect to me.
>> Oh, Paul.
>> That might have been red herring, but it was too weak.
It was just like, he had gambling debts and she only sort of helped him.
And they were very close when they were young and I bought it.
>> Yeah.
>> And I buy it one bit.
>> That was a little weak sauce.
>> Yeah.
>> And you know what else I really didn't like with the cousin?
>> He like made a big deal about like, let me take you to the scene.
>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> This is where her dad was meaner.
>> Are you fucking kidding me?
>> I like that.
>> That was good.
>> Cousin?
>> Raising.
>> Yeah, we can't, we can't, we can't have this, you know, take place somewhere interesting.
>> Yeah, let's move on.
>> Yeah, they went up on the roof.
And they drank, he tried it out so bad.
It was like the scene of the crime, then he was like, this is where our father killed her.
>> Oh, I fall in the roof here.
>> What do you mean?
>> I mean, he killed her.
>> And then finally, he said something really really mean to her.
>> So I was like, okay, he was not that bad.
I think what the mom did try to kill her was way worse.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, this world to her.
Saying that, like, I wish you were dead or you can kill her as bad as literally killing someone.
>> She's got to get her priorities straight.
>> Yeah.
>> Also when they were up on the roof, Paul lunges at the O at one point.
>> Yeah.
>> It's another red hairy.
He lunges at B to pull me towards the right.
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah, it's a room.
>> It's a lot of delusion, like that, which I guess maybe is from his screen right away.
>> Really, maybe.
>> I got to throw some action in it.
>> Yeah, I feel like a screenwriter would be like, that doesn't work.
He can't lung and pull that.
>> Yeah, I'm just in time.
>> All right.
>> I think that, like, some of the, some big issues were like, it assuming all this happened.
Like, going back to like the murder scene, like the police didn't come in and they really couldn't figure out anybody else was because it was dark.
>> Was there?
And then like, they didn't, the whole thing is so, they didn't have a motive for why he was, they couldn't,
they didn't like look at his emails or anything and see that he was cheating on her and make think, oh, maybe that's a motive.
>> There was just so many things that I was like, wait a second.
>> I think that these are either big, fucking idiots or like.
>> I couldn't, it was, I was so confused that it was like taking place in modern times because they literally had the police go into the scene that Graham were like, the electricity was cut.
It was so hard to see what was going on. I was like, we're flashlights in the end of the end of the end.
>> Like, well, this might sometimes be because the author is a huge fan of Agatha Christie novels that I feel like he, he just took from him what he liked and left behind modern techniques like,
figure printing, DNA.
>> Yeah.
>> Was her, I might have missed this.
Was her diary, did the police have that? Was that part of the trial at all?
>> No, they did it, which is also another eye thing, Claude Hall, because it's like, well, did, did, how does how that leads to the,
>> She sneaks it in apparently, I think, I think, I think it was like, I think it was upper book.
>> I think it was upper book.
>> I'm like, why have the police found this diary that would probably tell them a lot of information if it was found the fucking stuff.
>> And like, you know what's a fucking plot, well, it's you're not talking.
>> It's like, okay, she's not going to talk and say any of it, she's also not going to give the diary.
>> Come on.
>> Come on, friends.
>> Is that she's silent and, but like, she's really somewhere in there, she's probably totally saying and she just has a story to tell.
>> But also in the course of knowing her at the Grove, she stabs, oh, yeah, my favorite character, I live in the eye, ironically.
>> With a paper, she stabs her through the eye with the paper, and it's, it does not matter what I live said to her to set her off.
>> That is so unhinged.
>> That's why I thought it did at the whole time, that was like, she's too crazy.
>> Your emotional regulation is near zero if that's your reaction.
>> They're not phased by it really either. Another lazy writing device is like, okay, the Grove is at risk of closing.
>> And so that's why all of this is not going to happen.
>> Yeah, that's why we're not, we're not following the rules and we're going to let you do this.
>> He's like, I'm going to need months to work with her.
And the head of the Grove who think is like one of the most unreachable patients, but it's like, I'm going to give you a shot you have days.
>> I mean, it was like six weeks or something.
>> That's very TV.
>> Yeah, yeah, it is.
>> So crazy.
>> Yeah, we're in a book.
>> Yeah, yeah, we got to feel the passion.
>> Just an arc for the season.
>> It's very, it's very, very, very, very, very, very, very.
>> A good guest of series.
>> Supporting character roles.
>> A book, you could take that time.
>> Why are we rushing it in the book?
>> More pod holes.
>> So we find out that more twists are happening.
>> She, oh, she tried to kill herself.
>> No, actually, they think she took pills and tried to kill herself.
>> No, actually it was Theo who injected her with the morphine.
But he didn't make sure to grab her diary before doing that.
He didn't force her to tell him where the diary was.
He didn't just keep the goddamn fucking diary.
He gave it back to her.
>> And then was like, he gave it back to her.
>> He didn't copy it.
He didn't take a photo of it with his phone.
>> Very dumb criminal for us obsessed us.
He is thinking about his crime.
>> Yeah.
>> Making it his entire life, which by the way, I can relate to.
>> Yeah, that's all.
Books and out crimes, everyone ladies.
You know what I'm going to do?
>> And that, yet, also like me, a totally bad criminal.
Doesn't think about the most basic shit.
>> Yeah, I mean the evil shit.
>> Even the biggest, okay, there's just another giant plot hall.
Like she was totally like silent.
So he got away with his involvement.
And I guess even though he didn't do murder.
But he's still like, got away from being at a coplist or being involved in it or whatever.
It would be like kids never let it lie.
>> A soul.
>> Sleeping dog?
>> Yeah.
>> Walk away.
>> I realized it was him.
>> He didn't know my therapist.
But after a while when you're like, oh, this guy who, my new therapist that they gave me at prison hospital
is actually pretty sure the guy who tied me up.
Maybe I'll say something now.
>> We did that in the cast.
>> We tell it to.
>> Good question.
>> I think we mentioned that it was the one stalking her.
Yeah, I think we said that.
>> Oh.
>> Well, we didn't.
If you guys missed it, like --
>> Or protecting somebody.
>> Three times speed.
>> Tell them what we missed.
>> Yeah.
Well, I heard the part of the bi just didn't hear it here.
See you guys, if you were talking faster, like you were three times speed, I wouldn't have missed it.
>> And I think now is a good opportunity to say you should not listen to this podcast
at three times speed.
>> Every word we say is critical.
>> Yeah.
>> I think to the experience and precious.
>> I read a couple reviews.
>> Yeah.
>> But I came over and --
>> Did you know?
>> I mean, but that was not silent enough.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> [LAUGH]
>> But if you were going to agree about how often men called women bitch.
>> All right.
There are, there is --
>> Yeah.
>> Like massage and a --
>> Yeah.
>> That, like, okay, it's all men treating women.
It seems like it was all women at the non-house, which is the official name of it.
>> Except for all the -- she's seeing all the patients who we think.
>> Yeah.
>> But they're most of the therapists who are men.
But there was one woman therapist who was like, I bake cake and give it to all the patients.
>> [LAUGH]
>> Just so funny.
>> A warm biscuit.
>> A warm style.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> Greeks are here and we go as you go.
>> We go about the learned notoriously misogynistic.
>> Oh, it makes sense that for the author to be him.
>> I've never heard about that.
>> Come for me, Greeks.
>> Yeah.
>> Fine with it.
>> You are.
>> I still not convinced that we --
>> All group and hate women.
That's what I'm saying.
>> Wait, do you hate us, Jason?
>> No, no, no, no.
>> I'm more Italian than I am Greek.
>> Okay, okay, great, great, great.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, famously -- >> I'm a shameless.
>> Sorry, I'm not convinced that we have told them the twist.
>> I think we've like said things.
>> I don't think we can -- >> You know what?
>> Say it again.
>> I'm going to say it again in case we haven't.
>> Okay.
>> Twist is.
He was --
>> Okay.
>> And he was married to the man that he was stalking.
And he ended up stalking her going into her house,
tying her up, merely killing her.
And then the husband comes home.
That's when he does the whole Euripity thing that we definitely did talk about.
But I don't know that we just like placed it in that timeline for you.
And then did we say this part?
>> He got it.
>> I don't know what it's going to be.
>> She does kill her husband.
But it's because he the o breaks her emotionally because she died one her father
said I wish that you had died of the new year.
>> No, we didn't make that.
>> So the second --
>> That's like really the whole twist.
>> That's like the big thing that she was trying to uncover.
And he's like, "You don't realize."
Which I did like about it is because it made sense before you knew the twist that
you were like, "Oh, he's had a breakthrough of figuring out why she was murderous."
But then also like, "Oh, it makes sense after you know the twist.
And he was like, "Oh, he was trying to connect what happened.
Why what he did cause her to murder."
And he found that out.
>> What I'll say is that Pete, like you're saying,
that's the twist.
That piece did not do anything for me.
>> I was like, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard."
>> I didn't need the connection to the childhood.
Like, I mean, your husband being like one cheating on you and two being like,
"Yeah, take her life, not mine.
I don't want to die."
>> I don't want to die.
>> He sent that enough.
>> He sent the manuscript to his agent and the agent was like,
"I just don't believe that, you know, it would be cool."
>> Oh yeah.
>> Do you need like, you need something from child?
>> I don't believe that I even believed it.
I'm the opposite of you, Sabrina.
I was like, that's not enough to like physically make you a crazy killer.
And I also didn't think adding the fact that her dad had said that once when she was little
was enough to make her a crazy killer.
>> Well, yeah, I guess what I'm saying is that piece did literally nothing for me.
>> It was like completely equal to if that had just happened.
Like the dad piece, I was like, this does not further support it.
>> It's that.
>> So it's like, oh, two people would rather you die than something else.
>> Maybe you saw that, I guess.
>> Two people want you to die, that's fine.
>> I can see suicide being a thing for you.
>> That boy put a more willing to murder a third party.
>> Yeah, I agree.
>> I totally agree.
Doesn't make you murder us.
So she had it in her the whole time.
>> I would have liked it more if we found out it is childhood.
She used to like, you know, she used to take the cat and like burden it or something.
>> Like it on fire.
>> Like, wow, she peed her pants and what the bed and yeah.
>> It's that too close.
>> I'm going to make it some real crap.
>> Yeah.
>> We also, there was also another red herring was that there was some other therapist at the
grow who treated her on the side and didn't recognize taxes.
>> So they were like, Theo was pinning all of this on him, which like, I don't fully
understand why he needed to pin it on somebody else because he wasn't in any way associated.
>> Well, he didn't with the murder.
>> He wasn't associated in that like he had been treating her.
He was the secret.
>> If she had been-- >> For example, if she ever talked to be in trouble.
>> Right, that's true.
>> I guess I think it was like fine.
I think the bigger question is like, oh, you wouldn't have had to pin anything on him if you just
didn't get her to talk or like, or if you didn't.
>> Or just never got the job at the grow in the first place.
>> I just didn't know who you are.
>> I think they were missing is Theo's not super sane.
>> So we're trying to apply a lot of like, why would you do this?
>> I have to commit such a perfect crime.
>> He did not commit a perfect crime.
The police are just-- >> I will say I think I don't think he's like a killer.
I think like he didn't kill anybody.
He maybe went too far and like scary.
>> Trying to kill her.
>> But that was later.
>> Yes, that's later.
>> That's later.
>> It's in him.
>> We haven't seen him do anything murderous.
He's more of like a megalomaniac full of himself and like teaching
needs to teach people lessons and be right, but it wasn't like a,
I've got to kill someone.
>> It's building up.
>> You love Theo.
>> I know.
>> Here we go.
>> Yeah.
>> It is.
>> What happened to Kathy?
>> She's--
>> What happened to Kathy?
>> She has a hilarious end.
>> They just moved to Cambridge.
>> Yeah, they're together.
And when the police come to his door.
>> She's like, she's like, she's like, she's like,
she's like, she's gained like 50 pounds and her hands are coded with like,
red cheeto dust.
And he's like, I don't know, she's acting a little weird.
She hasn't spoken a while.
She does his eat her cheetos and watch television.
>> She's that true.
>> That was a good idea.
>> She doesn't see that.
>> She knows.
>> I don't know that.
>> It's a little bit she knows.
>> I don't know that it was pretty much a version of she knows.
They said like, she keeps ripping into tea bags and eating it or whatever.
British people in the car.
>> I don't know.
>> But the red dust on the hands.
>> Yeah, it's pathetic.
She's like, really, and she doesn't even like,
keep rings up, Alicia and Gabriel.
She doesn't even care.
She's obviously extremely, extremely depressed.
So I like that.
>> I mean, I think she cares.
She just can't express it because of she explained how much she cares.
>> I think at this point, she's like, like, a fucking,
>> Like depression.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> She's totally blank.
>> Like because depression has made her that way.
>> I think it's funny.
>> Yeah, she never came out and also being like,
I don't know, she I guess she just didn't want to admit she cheated on him.
But like, she could have been involved and helped her lover.
>> I wonder how they're going to depict this as film because
the twist relies on us not seeing him.
>> Yeah.
>> You would notice if he's never wearing the same outfit.
Or maybe he looks four or five years.
>> Yeah.
>> Six years, how many are you either way?
It'll be interesting to see how they choose to adapt it.
>> Yeah, yeah.
Where's a hoodie?
>> Yeah.
>> I think you can still get away with it being in the past.
It's just not connected to what Alicia had.
>> He's just wearing the twist.
>> He's talking.
>> If we're seeing that he's a different person,
>> We can see the stalker's him at the time.
>> Yeah, we're not.
>> Well, he might not not bat.
He might just guys himself.
>> Yeah.
>> That they'll make us think he disguised himself to be a stalker.
>> Yeah.
>> But really.
>> Yeah.
>> That's a building.
>> This is probably a--
>> We have to do their bat movie magic.
>> No, they really can't decide.
>> This is their question.
>> Well, I think I've got it.
>> Yeah.
>> Higher clare as the stalker doctor and what's moved along.
>> I really like somebody else's complaint on the review that they'd talk about how the
Grove doesn't allow lighters to come through and that people are constantly smoking.
>> So the reviewer was like, so were they using matches because matches are never talked about.
And if so why do you even have to make it so they can bring campers and lighters?
It's just ridiculous.
>> The first was so--
>> I did miss that completely, but I guess if I did notice it would really drive me crazy.
>> Because there is a lot about smoking in there.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like, mentally smoking, the therapist's taking around.
>> This is named Theo goes on.
>> I don't know.
>> It's like, whoa, it sounds pretty fun.
>> I like how they didn't let lighters in, but they are so many other weapons in there.
Like the pool cues and the pay brushes.
It's like, pretty good.
>> Pretty good.
>> Yeah.
>> I have the answers the author.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's do that.
>> Go.
>> No.
>> What if we all said no?
>> I said no.
>> We'll be back after this tomorrow.
>> Oh my god.
[ Music ]
>> We're back.
>> Okay.
So Jason, this is -- you'll just pretend to be the author.
Answer a question.
You'll see.
Or you don't have to.
It's your own person and you do as you wish.
>> We all do as we wish.
>> I'll do it.
>> Okay.
So Alex, are you there?
>> Yes.
>> Alex, thanks so much for joining us.
I wanted to know who did you imagine was watching over your shoulder as you wrote.
>> Got always with me.
>> Got as always with me.
So it was him, obviously.
>> And kind of when it was just one pair of footsteps in the sand,
it was he to carry me.
>> Wow.
>> When it was just one hand clacking on the typewriter.
>> Is he to carry me?
>> Okay.
Alex, same question for you.
Who did you imagine was watching over your shoulder as you wrote?
>> You know, funny you should ask that.
I imagine that I was watching over my own shoulder.
And I just didn't want to disappoint me.
The best person I know.
>> Beautiful.
Alex.
>> Yes.
>> Did I question?
>> Who was watching over your shoulder?
>> The one you've heard twice before now.
>> Very into being Greek and Greek history.
So I have to say, I know you saw the police.
That's a great writer.
>> You don't sound super confident.
>> Well, it was a little hard to tell.
It was blurry.
And now he was far away.
I tried to get a picture.
But he kept moving.
So I'm going to go with saw the police.
>> Okay.
>> Alex.
>> Who did you imagine was watching over your shoulder as you wrote?
>> He did.
>> Princess Diana's.
If you'll say, no one ever talks about him.
>> Who would have been so obsessed with Princess Di, Princess Di, Princess Di, Princess Di, but he died too.
>> And we never mourned him.
>> Dody.
>> So he stays with me and he inspires me.
He's by me.
>> Beautiful.
>> Incredible.
Dody fired everyone.
>> Okay.
>> Why do I know that person's name, but I don't know anything else.
>> He's dead on his hair.
>> Hair is, yeah.
>> Hair is.
>> Wow.
>> Well, the answer everyone is, I knew I wanted it to be a thriller because I've always been obsessed with hitchcock.
I wanted to try and create something like that.
So I imagined how he might be watching over my shoulder as I wrote the novel.
>> Okay.
>> How creepy.
>> Alfred Hitchfast.
>> Wow.
>> But I love it.
>> Notting approved in Lee.
He finally says, good job.
>> Thank you, Daddy.
>> Now that's a book.
>> Right.
It's like the author, Hitchcock is there, Hitchcock's whispering things.
>> You mean there's a small kiss of someone writing and Hitchcock is watching them?
>> Yeah.
>> Put it out there.
Whoever wants it, take it.
>> Okay.
>> I think we'd have to be kind of the thing where like you see them writing the book in the beginning and then it's movie for us to the time.
>> That's just how we get it.
>> Oh yeah.
>> I forgot he's not a writer.
>> Oh, no.
>> Well, I--
>> Dodie Feidd.
>> Well, we're all still impressed.
>> You could bring that.
>> Put the jodie book.
>> Oh, you've got a trivia section coming up.
>> No, no, no, no.
Nobody filled it out.
>> Fuck you.
>> You got a statement?
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry.
>> Why is it even on there?
>> We've never done this.
>> We've never had a trophy.
>> Oh, no.
>> We've never had a trophy.
>> Oh, no.
>> Who added that in?
>> It's almost like we took an outline from a different pod.
>> I can ask a trivia question.
>> How long have I been married?
>> Is a trivia question about you?
>> Yeah.
>> We have a secret.
>> Five years.
>> I'm really like a--
>> Do you mean legally?
>> Yeah, legally.
It's been three and a half years.
>> Jason, very good guess.
Thank you for your boldness.
>> We don't actually have to answer.
>> Legally.
Six.
>> I don't know, actually.
>> I'm so proud to be a athlete.
>> I honestly forgot about the secret wedding.
>> Five.
>> So I don't know what.
>> That was earlier the same year.
>> Okay.
>> Seven years.
>> Five.
>> Seven years, I guess, legally.
>> Congrats.
>> Well, this is the kind of content you can expect.
>> You can see why you guys do a spreadsheet.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I'll say cut right here so you have to do a nose-bundet cut cut.
>> You just have a separate editor.
>> No, no, no.
>> We're going to maybe.
>> Well, you're some good reads five star reviews.
>> Before we do our hate reads.
>> Great.
>> I'm still really from that ending.
A mind blowing to die for twist.
Wait, wait, what just happened?
This was how I felt as a red little last few chapters.
>> It's like the diaries.
>> Five stars.
>> You can review.
>> I felt I've related to her.
>> I didn't realize you waged at the end of the review.
I would have.
>> Well, I'm just reading five star reviews.
I think you were reading mean reviews.
>> Right.
>> So that added.
>> Yeah.
>> We fit in.
>> Not silent enough is beautiful.
>> What a radio.
>> Generally funny.
>> Jennifer said, I'm giving this novel all the stars.
What a freaking ending.
I loved it.
I listened to the audio.
The audio might have actually enhanced this novel.
The narration was that good.
>> I thought he was a good narrator.
>> I agree.
>> Yeah.
The narration was good and fun.
>> Yeah, I don't know.
I don't actually have any great five star reviews because I didn't do it at a time.
I'm just reading them now.
>> So let's move on.
>> I don't know that we need to say that part.
>> Those were great, sir.
>> Let's do our hate rates.
>> Now, Jason, I want to explain this to you.
>> So has any every guest does is like what will you talking about.
>> We do our hate rates out of five.
Five being great.
Zero, I guess being shit.
And we do it based on like mean book club books.
So we're not comparing this to Shakespeare.
>> For example, it's like, is this a really good --
>> The way in the book club book.
>> In the beginning, you said there's literature in there's trash books.
>> You're talking about trash books.
>> These type of trash books have where this is laying on it.
So who wants to do their hate rate first?
>> Oh, I'll go.
This book was great.
I seriously loved it.
I loved every second of it.
I devoured it.
I couldn't wait to read it.
Five out of five.
So much fun.
I didn't consider it trash at all.
I seriously loved it.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm sorry.
Is that a reveal?
>> That's a twist baby.
>> That's a twist.
>> My jaw is on you.
>> Floor.
>> I know.
>> My hate rate.
>> I know.
>> Because again, like, with two people, like, we had two people saying you got to read this, please rip it apart.
And I really liked this book.
And I was like, at first I was like, how am I going to rip this apart?
And then you think about it.
And there's a lot of things to talk about.
But that being said for mean book club books.
I absolutely loved it.
Devoured it.
Five out of five for me as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
I'm going to go three out of five, which is pretty high for Clara.
>> That's like a five out of five from a regular person.
>> Because.
>> Okay.
I'll take that to me that I'm unique and extra good.
>> Perfect.
>> Decirning.
>> Okay.
>> Surface level.
>> This kind of a fun book until the end when he had pissed off and planned out what happened.
But the part when you're like, what's going to happen and what's going to happen?
That part is pretty fun.
The ride is fun.
The destination is annoying.
And then like Sarah said, when you start thinking about it and you're like, wait a minute,
I reason't like that.
Wait a minute.
This was so stupid.
The part with her cousin was so stupid, et cetera, et cetera.
That's going to knock it down some.
But surface level had a good time for two thirds of the book.
Three out of five.
I don't know if this is in response to your readings.
I don't know if it's how I felt when it came into this podcast.
But I'm going to go to out of one and a half.
>> I'm offended that this has gotten two five.
Already and divergent got like one of the
more, and you were like, you know, I'm not sure if you were like that.
>> I'm not sure if you were like that.
>> But I'm not sure if you were like that.
>> I'm not sure if you were like that.
>> If you were like that.
>> I'm not sure if you were like that.
>> I enjoyed thinking of that and then when it wasn't that,
it was even more difficult to say that to you.
>> You're going to have three and a half from me.
There's a lot of flaws in the storytelling,
but there's a lot of value to a page turner.
For me, I personally don't veg out on reality TV and that kind of thing.
So I like a very simple and kind of trashy story sometimes.
>> This is your reality.
>> I love white lotus, but I also really like Virgin River on Netflix.
And this is a virgin.
It's not high brow, but it's super accessible and it keeps you on your...
>> It keeps you carry on.
>> I love a thriller.
I think this is provided that.
>> Okay. All right.
>> Three and a half.
>> I'm actually proud of you Jason, because I said sometimes authors come in and they're afraid to give low rating
to books just because they're gonna have to low.
>> Okay, it's not like being like, okay, for example.
>> You're being honest.
>> We've got a writer as be like, yeah, I didn't like it, but I'm giving you a five
off five because I'm so afraid that for the bad Jews you to come back at me.
>> Well, for me that's just nonsense.
>> And I don't think Alex would be offended by hearing this.
He said there's a lot of value in it.
Writing a page turner.
He's made millions of dollars.
He's given the fuck about what we're saying here.
>> Exactly. That's why we can be so mean to him.
>> Yeah, there was a reviewer who said we punch down.
>> Oh my God.
>> I was all these authors are rich and famous.
>> Right.
>> We're watching a successful.
>> They're wild, we see a successful.
>> Before I realized what we realized, what we realized, what we realized, what we
guys only did, or best sellers, not necessarily no attempts.
I asked you in advance to grow my book.
I would love that.
But maybe I said we could be do it.
We could potentially just like on its own merit.
>> On its own merit.
>> Because if everyone buy tweak a world, New York Times best seller, future New York Times
sell.
But we would also do a bonus episode.
>> I would love that.
Can I be there for it too?
Because I would like you to roast the books.
>> That is great.
I think for us to do a rose book.
That isn't New York Times a seller that we have the author there too.
>> Destroy me.
>> That is our dream.
>> Let's do it.
>> Oh my god.
>> I've been the whole time I got to be real.
>> It's going to be a little personal for me.
>> Brothers in it.
>> A few times.
>> Plus the prom date.
>> I'm the prom.
>> I don't know why.
>> It wasn't like your origin story.
>> Still shocked.
>> I happened.
>> I didn't remember it.
I do remember now.
It made sense.
questions?
Hey, that's something Sarah, he remembers now.
He forgets myself?
It makes sense.
All right, guys, ready to do Wolf Focker of the cast.
Yes.
I've been ready since minute three of this podcast.
What's the sacred?
I think it's me because of what you've gotten.
What's happening now?
What I said at minute three.
Jason, this is the part of the podcast where we vote for
one person to be named the little fucker or asshole used to be asshole of the
cast.
Now it's a little fucker.
But we realized asshole is offensive language and we wanted to update it to
2023.
Not everybody has an asshole.
So you can't say the love.
That's so good.
So what is it?
We even need.
What is that even?
It's an impact.
I have the cast that's like a little bit of comfortable.
I'm not sure if we all still like it.
I'm not sure.
The listener likes it.
You know, when I had what I had.
What you're saying with your brother recently, he out of nowhere.
I'm prompted said to me, you know, eating ass is really coming to fashion.
I just thought to myself, this is why he's my best friend.
He just finds the most important aspects of culture and
he's just holding on it and with brevity.
Just succinctly.
Man, man.
He makes the mispoints now.
And he knows what's hot.
He's on top of trends.
I hope he's not angry that I brought that up on the podcast.
He's definitely not.
If he listed this episode, he did not listen this far.
But it was a very personal experience.
Yeah, my mom does.
This is no worse a comment than anything that was said during Sarah's wedding vows and
ceremony.
So I don't think it would bother her parents to listen in the least.
All about the NES.
Guys, little fucker of the cast, John, I think you're about to come at me.
Sarah, it's Sarah.
I don't think it happened in minute three, but it happened before the midway point.
It was a joke about 11 bread.
I don't even remember the joke, but it was so offensive to me.
That was a bad joke.
Yes, clearly.
Yes.
Got it.
No, I'm good.
It had no thematic.
Actually, it had like an auditory connection.
It sounded like the word.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a real.
It was a fucking idea.
The fact that you were even defending it, it's disturbing to me.
I question everything.
That's the reason.
I'm sorry, we just I cannot tolerate language like that on my podcast.
We can say that house if you insist, Sarah, but it can't have any comments like that.
I feel like it.
I really just was it was on it was like odd brand and like hair, and like a really nice
pull screw of what I've been doing this whole cast.
But that's just me.
Is that not against you for the 11 comments?
That's a lot of work.
I'm not on board with just that.
Get her.
Hey, it's our chance to pile on.
Did I was on brand the whole cast?
I think if you ever strayed from the brand, it may have been the 11th.
Com.
Okay, five students silly jokes.
Yeah.
That's not yet.
So take the compliment.
Usually your jokes are funny and silly.
Good.
All right.
There's word association at best.
It's all one.
I don't know.
I wouldn't vote for you for little funker.
I wouldn't draw.
I wouldn't based on that.
But I'm not criticizing John and so we're called.
It offended her.
If you see something say something, and I had to say something.
All the little fuckers.
Yeah, we all do.
Unfortunately, Jason, you will as well.
Yeah.
I guess it's hard.
I don't really.
I guess we have to have made mistakes in the past.
I was saying mistakes.
Yes.
You can pick the right person.
The mistakes of the paid in the past.
So we can pick someone outside of the cast also.
Like sometimes people would pick the author if they really hated the book or the person who recommended the book or something like that.
We don't encourage it.
We do try to contain it because I don't really have.
I'd say the biggest mistake ever made was picking somebody outside.
Yeah.
That.
I can say what it is.
Someone picked my baby daughter once.
Yeah.
I was like, what the fuck?
Do you think that's funny?
I kill you.
What's it again?
I don't remember.
It was a guess.
What's the same?
They're not welcome back.
Well, it's on the recording.
They know they did it.
And was bad.
Okay.
I think I'm safe to say I did like it.
I think that's it.
So I should be fair.
I did like it.
So I think that's why you mix of opinions on the cast.
It let you make a mistake.
You make a mistake.
The baby daughter since she's been around so.
I do get jealous of babies a little bit.
I mean, you know, people just love them so much.
Yes.
Like they're me.
Hmm.
I really don't know why I don't really have one this cast.
Um, I'm thinking maybe Sabrina for bringing up divergent.
I'm thinking maybe, Jonna for saying the thing.
Just now about liking when it was Veda.
Yeah, that's.
Oh, yeah.
I guess it's Jonna.
Yeah.
Because it's Jonna for just right now.
She crossed me.
Sorry.
I feel like I'm trying to have a few times.
Sometimes it's.
Sometimes it's the most recent thing.
Sometimes it's something you hold on to.
So we can.
Well, yeah.
I'm not full.
I'm just a spur of the moment.
I have my book.
Okay.
And it's um, for old what's his name down in the corner.
Oh, okay.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Sabrina's.
Oh, because you remember Sabrina's name.
Now we know you name.
Now we know you're name.
You got this from.
But unlike the vast majority of gay men out there, I'm actually a lesbian gay.
You know, I actually very big in huge, huge supporter of lesbians more than four
than you should have said that before you called me what's her name.
I don't think that's right to that.
You guys really hone in on a moment.
Yeah.
I, you know, it really, really could have been a match made in heaven because I'm a gay man.
That is so true.
Sabrina is such a gay man lesbian.
Oh my god.
My friends outside of these four boxes.
Okay, man.
I don't think Sabrina knows any other words.
But it's actually like, don't.
I mean, I know.
Yeah.
Is it my turn?
I mean, if you got it, go.
Oh, I got it.
And you know who it is.
It's worth the therapy.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
It was Ruth said something that made me write it down.
And I'm going to read it.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yes.
He said she says to him that we often mistake love with drama, but love is actually quite still quite peaceful.
Quiet.
And it made me think.
Wait, you're voting for her because she made you fuck off.
She made you think.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
So Alicia and Theo's relationship was love because it is largely silent and still.
That's so true.
Wow.
Do you guys always say, well, she texted me with a phone like that.
No, I don't think we ever rap.
Always.
Okay.
Always.
It's beautiful.
I'm shipping Theo and Alicia.
I'm going to write a fan of that.
Me too.
Siri, you pick a little fucker.
I need to.
I'm also having trouble.
I kind of like want to pick all of you because you didn't compliment me again on my summer.
I didn't get any compliments.
Oh, you're like.
Sorry.
I did.
I compliment you.
That's not.
I thought I said.
I got a.
I complimented.
It was too long.
I complimented your hair.
I'm like, I saw you.
You did, but I want I have the summaries.
What I wanted to compliment.
I think of the was too long.
Under it in 50 summaries that I've done.
I would say I recall one time you complimenting me.
I can't.
You want to compliment your.
Sarah, do you like hearing that it was squarely in the middle?
No.
I'm going to specify you because you just said the meanest thing.
[LAUGHS]
I'm like, how done is ending this with a bunch of squirt
squirt in my eyes.
But she does.
I'm changing my tactic next week.
Just get ready.
You're going to see a whole new--
You can look nice.
Are you going to be nice?
You're being a little f*cker.
I don't.
Why would I want to enjoy that?
I don't know.
I'm in time again.
I asked myself that.
I liked the tension.
Lamer.
I do like attention better, bad.
Did you guys--
I wanted to--
I did.
I commercial a sponsorship from Pusser's Rum.
I can't.
For this episode, because--
Not yet.
I'm going to read it out.
Mm-hmm.
OK.
Yeah.
I'll read you up to Pusser's right after this.
I'll read you into a Pusser.
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Ah, that was nice.
All right.
So we--
[INAUDIBLE]
Yeah, I vote.
I read it.
That's not enough.
OK, just conferred me.
OK, John, congratulations.
You're a little f*cker of the cast.
Congrats, girl.
Thanks.
I think a lot of me does this to save you all.
It's my way of protecting you.
So it's actually a nice thing.
Yeah, no, I'm glad that we vote for a little f*ck.
It's actually brave of me.
It's generous.
Hi, guys.
What are we reading for the next book?
This disgusting stupid book that I already hate.
An absolutely remarkable thing by Hank Green.
I hate it.
You always do this?
It's good.
No, just if it's really bad.
I can see it in her.
And if--
Yeah.
She also kind of wants to brag that she has her story.
No, no, no.
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But OK, all right, great.
That's what we got next week.
We are mean book club on all the socials.
Please join our Patreon.
We come up Patreon.
You'll get some bonus episodes.
You'll get pictures of Althea and other things that happen
via our Patreon messages from Johnna.
She sent out bookmarks, physical things.
It's not just love and words.
Digitals.
Physical stuff.
We're entering the real world.
Jason, I want to turn this to you, get some plugs for me.
Do you--
Oh, oh, do you want to plug in any of these socials?
This will come out after--
I know your book comes out March 7.
It'll come out after.
Yes, you should go to your local store
and buy my book after March 7th.
It's a fun memoir touching and heart-breaking
and funny at times about the year
where I went from a methodics to becoming
crystal meth kingpin of San Francisco to entering it
in St. Psychosis and ultimately finding my way back to normality
or whenever we call this for that we're doing.
Yes, please buy it and buy it independently if you can.
And follow me at Jason Yamus on Instagram.
Because we might have some other fun developments
to tell you about later.
Wow.
Shopping.
Wow.
You're also like-- you've also been work--
you've worked out a lot.
So some of you've been Instagram's body picks.
Yeah.
Show it off.
Oh, how do I get to--
it's an app.
How would it--
I would--
It's a scam.
It's an app.
It's just a personal note.
Because this was all happening,
you were being a drug lord, et cetera.
This is why for Clara, Sabrina, John,
is why you didn't see him at my wedding.
Correct.
Oh, two big for your wedding.
I'm seeing the body face now.
[LAUGHTER]
Check it out.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
And I said, I will say for my mom, which is funny,
since you guys all know what the book is about to a girl,
but my mom could not start raining about it.
Really?
Yes.
Oh, I can't wait to see her at Super Bowl and ask her.
I'll ask her what she thought.
I mean, it like effect it her.
Wow.
That means a lot to her.
Yeah.
All right.
I guess if there is anything else,
you want to know nothing else.
Yeah, just follow me on Instagram.
Yeah.
This was what it was.
I hope we-- I hope we're doing your book on me in both clubs.
Oh, you have to roast me.
I've never wanted to be roasted more.
I--
More great for everyone.
I want your success more than you want it.
I'm so excited for this.
And just take off.
Yeah.
Yes.
All right, guys.
We're ready to go.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.
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