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I completely understand the general notion that a creative is a painter or a musician.

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That's the typical creator, but everyone's a creator.

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And I mean, my god, my accountant, wow, is she creative?

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You know, juggling things is creative.

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Being a parent is the ultimate, perhaps, creativity, but running a company, I decided to make

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all the maintenance in my life as creative as possible because there's so much of it.

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If people can tap into that, their creativity is going to flow, you know, the word is used

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a lot, but if a person's inspired, everything they do is going to be inspired.

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Welcome to the Re-Patterning Podcast, where we believe your mind-body system is your domain,

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and that choosing the beliefs, habits, and patterns that best support you is your birth

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right.

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I'm your host, Arden Leigh, creator of the Re-Patterning Project, an eight-week course in

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learning to free yourself from the patterns of your past and program your mind for your

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dreams of the future.

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Give me for these extraordinary conversations as we unpack the keys to creating our reality.

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Welcome back to the Re-Patterning Podcast.

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I'm your host, Art and Lee.

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Thank you so much for tuning in with us today.

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Before we get started with today's guest, I would like to remind everyone that if you enjoy

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health and magic and all those things that we cover in these lovely conversations.

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And registration is also now open for the next round of the Re-Patterning Project, the eight-week

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course that inspires all of these discussions, the eight-week course in claiming your mental

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sovereignty through the purposeful choosing an installation of your patterns.

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And if you want to learn more about that, you can go to theRePatterningProject.com.

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You can also check out the Re-Patterning Project on Instagram where I have all those details

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And if you feel like it's calling to you, reach out to me.

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We'll have discussion and we'll see if it's something that's in alignment for you and

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for your high self.

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All right.

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Now without any further ado, I would love to introduce today's guest.

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Her name is Jennifer Espenscheid.

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And she is a multi-disciplinary artist whose work explores transformation, connection,

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and the relationship between people and the spaces that they inhabit.

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And she primarily works with clients and communities who commission pieces from her that

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are meaningful to them and to their spaces.

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So you know what that means, you guys?

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She is a creative who has built a life where she gets to be paid and thriving and sustained

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doing something that she loves.

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Naturally, this is a goal that I know is so relevant to so many of our listeners.

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So many of us are seeking to create and install those patterns and beliefs and habits and mindsets

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within ourselves that allow us to thrive in this late capitalist hellscape that we live

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in.

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And this is economically exploitative.

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Hellscape that we live in.

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With doing things that we love so we get to wake up every day and enjoy the life that we're

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living and be sustained by that.

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So she also offers creative consulting work to individuals, brands, and spaces to help

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develop and translate their ideas into intentional experiences.

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And her recent projects include grant funded sculptural installations in Miami and California

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in public environments.

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That's right.

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That means that she gets paid by an organization to create beautiful art that everyone in

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public gets to enjoy.

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What an absolute dream of a life, Jennifer.

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Thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Man, just that intro gets me really excited again about my life.

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I do appreciate it sometimes.

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Sometimes we forget sometimes, right?

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It's so true.

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Every now and then I'll write out, I think I find writing lately very cathartic and I'll

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write out my ideal life.

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And I realize I basically have it.

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So it's kind of like, okay, this is the direction just more of that, please.

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Yeah, it's so fun.

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I think going through, for me in my magic practice, like going through my list of intentions

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that I created even just like two, three, four years ago and being like, oh yeah, got

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that, got that, got that.

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Okay, now what am I working on next?

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Because it's, et cetera.

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Yeah, the written word or sketches.

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It's, you know, it's coming from our heart through our hand.

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So tell us about how you created and built your art career.

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So I started traveling after I went to school, so my degrees in architecture and urban planning.

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At first it was very, it was not comfortable for me.

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I think that was a big part of it.

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And one woman in California saw my journal and asked if I painted murals.

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I felt, I felt so sad because now I had this sense of freedom.

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when they asked, saying yes.

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And there are just magical people in your life.

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don't you do this for a living?

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And I realized that my programming was that artists are poor or they do it on the side, you

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know, Uncle so and so did that in the other room on the side.

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I did my first show and realized that if people can come and see new things and know that

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these materials or this feeling is possible, then they start asking for, oh, can I, you

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know, have this, but, but the size that I needed is huge or so that the, it was very much,

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I think, you know, vibration is used a lot today, but being in a state where everyone's

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enjoying themselves, they're meeting new people, they're seeing art and they're understanding

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that they can have something that was made for them really started to resonate.

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So each time I would design something, I would just learn how to do that, you know, I'd learn

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how to weld or I'd learn how to oil paint or there's just so many ways you can come at a

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So it kind of just started out as, I guess, I guess there was a trust, there was a lot of

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mural work and yeah, just adding to it and just noticing whatever the universe was bringing.

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So it's that part may not sound like a lot of science, but if people keep coming to you

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and they're happy, you know, then I just kept refining that.

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I loved especially what you mentioned about how our programming trains us to believe that

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artists like you're either, you have two options, you're either going to have the boring

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life in the cubicle and, you know, but you're going to be stable and steady or you're going

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to have a life as a starving artist, you know, and you'll be able to be passionate about

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what you do, but you'll be tortured and, you know, you'll be living off of Campbell's

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soup and peanut butter.

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It's amazing to me because it's like if we look around in the world, I could actually see

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so many thriving and successful creatives around me, but if my programming is telling me

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that there's only these two binary options, I'm not going to register those other people

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as really being legitimate or existing in a way that is accessible to me.

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And I have to say, you know, it was maybe around, it was very shortly after I think I created

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the re-patterning project in 2018 that I was hanging around a community and a lot of them were

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burners, like a lot of them were burning man people, which I know from listening to some

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of your material that you're also a burning man, attendee and enthusiasts in my correct.

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I've never been to Burning Man and I'm not going to lie, I probably won't.

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I think I'm a little too autistic for burning, like it's the heat and the dust, it would be

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a sensory nightmare for me.

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But the burners that I have met, I really, there's so much that I've admired and been inspired

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by in them.

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And one of the things that I noticed in particular is they are so confident in taking

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the creative services that they offer seriously.

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And when I've worked with, like for example, I've worked with a photographer named Samir

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Janjua who's taken a lot of the photos that are like on my website and things like that.

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It was such an experience because he facilitates the journey, like from the moment you book the

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session to the delivery of the photos, everything, like what's your vision for this?

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What are the reference shots that you have?

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Where are we going to do that?

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And even like writing out how this was going to be a successful journey.

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And it was so different from showing up with someone who's like, oh yeah, we'll take

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some photos and just throw me whatever or something like that.

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And you feel like you're paying for a luxury experience.

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So I would love to know a little bit about how you start to work with your clients and

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create that journey that is so meaningful to them and to the art that you deliver for

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them that it's worth, that price that ends up sustaining you in your own life.

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Yeah, I think a big part of it is tapping into the stories and the questions that they

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have an answer yet.

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I have found, I think in our spaces, you know, I'll just call them like festivals

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or very open spaces.

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It's so much easier to share like genuine, genuine things.

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And so I try to bring that to the rest of the world.

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And I think the magic you are talking about, you know, just knowing burners is that's the

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Like we go there and we conjure this and, you know, interact this way.

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And then we take it out into the world.

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I often feel that that initial phase, my plan name is Genesis.

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And I love that initial phase, like of meeting someone, planting literally a seed, planting

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a seed and someone's, you know, meeting someone.

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Any, any beginning is really important.

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So like what you were talking about with that photographer, kind of framing how something

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can go, making someone feel really included and pointing out and asking the questions about

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them that are good to give me the clear symbols to use or the materials to use.

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And part of that is the nitty-gritty, right?

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Like who wants to talk about budget?

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Like everyone's dream is to have, oh, there's no budget, you know, like work for, I don't

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know, work on Star Wars ride for Disney.

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I mean, when I went to that, I'm like, okay, I'm sure there was a budget, but I can't even

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imagine how many zeros on it.

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So kind of dissolving all that, almost looking at it as a component piece of the whole formula.

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So helping people realize that if I know a budget, I can design for that.

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We can make things successful no matter what your budget is within reason.

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And then I can suggest maybe something a little more over the top and they find it really

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worth it.

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Oh yeah, if I could have lighting with it then, of course, we'll figure it out, you know?

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So that I think is usually the hardest part for everyone is placing the correct value.

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And so just being able to speak about it confidently and then also kind of assessing that towards

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the beginning of it so that everyone's kind of comfortable with it.

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And I've found too as a facilitator, it's so important to show up to those conversations,

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especially about budget, you know, about pricing, about things that are normally things that

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people, you know, might not find it's fun to talk about.

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your client at ease as well.

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It's all about how we guide the journey.

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So speaking of guiding journeys, you also work as a creative consultant and you help people

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to bring their own ideas to life.

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So I feel like there's probably a lot of folks listening to this podcast right now who

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probably have creative ideas within them or some spark that they might want to do something.

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And while, you know, we can't counsel each individual listener through through this podcast

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so that would be very magical if we could.

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What are some of the questions or prompts that you would advise a person looking to dig

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deeper in their creativity?

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Their own creativity?

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How would you advise them to start like maybe some questions to meditate on or to journal

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on?

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So if someone has something specific that they want to create, I can, I usually take them

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to what it would feel like at the, I don't want to say end of the project because things

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live on, but that point when you have achieved your goal, like your installation is there or

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maybe you want to burn the baby or, you know, a business like, first of all, like tapping

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into that feeling.

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I have, you know, the evidence of one and watching so many of you that that kind of guides

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the whole process.

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There's, there's depending on the project, there's so much space in between and so many

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things to learn and frustrations that I think if we conjure that first, that can be our

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guiding light and then asking the why, like why do I want to do this?

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If it's a, you know, an art grad, then how do I want this to look?

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How do I want people to experience it?

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And you can, you will actually get chills, you will be there.

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And then in, I'll just say like the darkest hour when you're like, why on earth that I think

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I can do this, you know, and your hands are bleeding or, you know, not all projects are

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that difficult, but it gets you through because you've already tapped into that essence.

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So I think then asking, well, how?

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Obviously there's many ways we can get this done and just giving it a decent amount of

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time, giving it a day or two, maybe the first how isn't the right way.

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And as you go along, you're going to learn and I have definitely embraced the fact that

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when I am frustrated, I'm on the right track.

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It means this is something new.

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I am going to feel so fascinated when I'm through it, like when it's, you know, under your

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belt and it doesn't, I mean, frustration is never fun, but it does mean, okay, I'm expanding,

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I'm evolving here.

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So I think, I think those would be the main things.

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When I talk with people, whether it's about a business or a, you know, it's just really

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helping them clarify in their minds, how do you want it to feel?

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What do you want that experience to be?

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And then the why comes out really soon there?

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I love how you mentioned that frustration is a normal part of the process.

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I'm a musician, I'm a songwriter.

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And I always like, I joke about the fact that there's always going to be points when

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I'm listening.

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And really, you know, there's some songs that I create from scratch, but often I'm working

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as a top liner.

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I'm writing the vocal, the melody and the lyric and I'm writing to a track that a co-writer

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has already composed.

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So I'm listening to the track.

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And I always joke about the fact that there is always a part of the process where I feel

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like Kurt Vonnegut has this quote where he says, you know, that sometimes being a writer

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feels like being an armless and legless man with a crayon in your mouth, like trying

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to, I'm like, yep, I'm like, I'm in the crayon mouth.

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I'm like, right now, and everything that I've ever written before was a fluke.

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I will never be able to write anything as good as what I've previously done.

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And it's just never that magic is never going to, and everything that's coming out of

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me right now is just, it's awful.

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It's embarrassing.

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It's an embarrassment.

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And what's so funny is like when you recognize, like, I feel like part of the creative process

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in really owning ourselves as an artist is recognizing that, oh, this is normal.

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And this is actually validating me being an artist because every artist goes through

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the process.

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Like, do you, I'm sure you must be familiar with the Miyazaki.

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I mean, I, I saw it as like a strip of memes on, on Twitter or whatever, but I'm sure it

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was like, stills from a documentary where he's talking about going through this process

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and being like, I hate this.

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I'm miserable.

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But if you told me to stop, like, of course, I'd tell you, you know, you're crazy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What am I, my doppelganger?

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He sent me one day.

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He seems to just be able to feel when I'm in that.

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And he'll, I'll find it.

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It says, it's just like, it's like five lines.

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It's, this is such a great idea.

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And then this idea sucks.

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I'm a total failure.

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It's never going to work.

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Maybe it's going to be okay.

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And then the last line is, this is such a good idea.

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It's like, right.

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The, the self-doubt, I think, as long as it doesn't last is actually a really cool thing.

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I think if I am doubting myself, it is a chance to recalibrate and re-choose the path I'm

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on.

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So like the self-doubt, frustration, you know, those kind of sometimes show up at the

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same time or bookend it.

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And it's like, okay, I can recalibrate.

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I'm stubborn.

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So I'm not going to stop.

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And yeah, you got to get your, your mojo back because sometimes, oh my god, yeah.

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How do you tell?

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It really is, right?

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I feel like when we get used to it, just like, oh, it's, I'm like, I'm just, I'm in that,

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I'm in that spot right now.

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And I get out of it every time, every time.

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But how do you, how do you decide when you're midstream on a project?

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This is something that I sometimes struggle with in songwriting.

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It's all get like a certain melody kind of stuck in my head to a track.

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And then it'll kind of go around my head a lot and they'll start to sound like nothing

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at all.

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I'm like, well, I actually, I don't like this at all.

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I hate this.

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And I always have trouble thinking, like, do I need to throw out the scratch of a

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melody that I have in my head and actually just listen to the track for I should create

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something new?

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Well, you know, which is fine, especially because I'm not working with any art supplies.

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So I don't have any like ways to have to throw something out and start to all dismantle

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at that point, you know, or digital or whatever.

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And so yeah, how do you as an artist who does work in physical media, if you reach that

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spot where it's like, do I keep working with the thing I'm trying to work at and try and

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shape it to fit or do I throw out this and I start a different approach on this project?

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How do you navigate that?

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When I get to that point, I usually go to bed.

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I find like the, the, the slices between, you know, awake and asleep are really precious.

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So typically if I, if I have this question, I have this quandary and like, I'm so proud

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of my daughter right now.

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She did that.

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She's, you know, doing summer school and it's like at what point do you drop the freaking

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class that you just spent months of your life, but it's going to, you know, blah, blah, blah.

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And usually I'll kind of come out of my physical body and I'll just, I'll just look down

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and have this literal perspective.

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And I realize, this isn't actually that important.

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Why is it go back to like the, why is it I'm doing it?

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And kind of as you're drifting off, ref all in love, it works when I'm swimming too.

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So it's, I think anything that gets you kind of in a theta space instead of like alpha

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or beta, you know, the, the science shows that that's when we're working with space time.

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We're not, we're not like on this plane of typical existence anymore.

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We can really tap in and that's usually when I wake up and I'm like, okay, we're switching

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gears.

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Or there's the solution is there that wasn't before.

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It's, you know, what this is just going to be a week of hitting it hard.

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And I'm going to reassess it a week.

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And it also helps to have deadlines.

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You know, if you have deadlines and a budget, like, I love deadlines because one of my favorite

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quotes that I attribute to Einstein and not sure if this is true, but the job expands

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to fit the time alone.

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So whatever that is, your installation can just kind of bleed over.

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So it's like, well, this, this is, now I have this box.

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I have, I can be more creative within these boundaries.

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And so now that I'm verbalizing, and I think those two things are probably how I shape

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the decisions.

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It's, it's like, okay, well, this is what was promised.

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This is important for this reason.

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And then, and then just getting into somewhat of a creative no mind, theta state, however

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you need to do that and just having perspective on it and, and something usually happens.

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Sometimes it's just that reboot of sleep, I think.

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I love that.

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That idea that controlling our inner state is so often I feel like we try to control the

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work when actually the swifter route to the result that we want is controlling our, I

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don't mean controlling ourselves, but, but putting ourselves like you said in that state

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where creativity is more likely to happen.

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Yeah.

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And I think it's good to remember, I, you know, I'm sure I have a healthy ego.

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I am guessing that it's in check.

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And I do fully believe because I feel it that, that we all are channels.

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None of this belongs to us.

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None of it is necessarily truly our idea.

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Like ideas come in.

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And so if I can let that go, the ownership of it, the idea came in.

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Okay, now help me out.

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How are, how are you going to come to fruition?

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So giving up the, yes, I am the one building this, organizing this or writing this yet, it

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came through me.

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So how does it, how does it want to happen?

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And then, and then you have, I think, a better perspective and also not the pressure of complete

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ownership.

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Yeah, it depersonalizes it a little bit too.

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It, it makes one feel more like a Sherpa, you know, I'm, I'm bringing this, this

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thing through like a, like a doula almost.

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It's very, I'm sure you must be familiar with that Elizabeth Gilbert Ted Talk where she

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talks about how in ancient Greece, it used to be thought of as like a Damon, like the spirit

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that would show up.

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And, you know, it's like, well, I showed up today to work.

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So if the muse isn't here, you know, well, yeah, I showed up to do my job or whatever.

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And it's so nice because it really, it really takes out that idea of our competence

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being like fully our responsibility when some days like, there's just factors outside

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ourselves where, you know, I show up to the work, but for some reason, I'm not, you know,

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I'm not in the, in the state to deliver it.

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And that doesn't mean anything about me as an artist or a writer or a business owner

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or whatever.

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It, it maybe just means that I need to be more attentive to my own interstate.

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And I'm curious for you also.

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One of the things that I love to talk about in the re-patterning project is this idea that

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if we start our day with how we want to feel, we can often achieve those things or have

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just, or even just have the kind of day that we want to have if we take it away from, you

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know, standards of productivity or whatever.

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But of course, like we do live in late capitalism, we do sometimes have to be productive, you

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know?

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So choosing the way that we want to feel at the beginning of the day can really help us

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to, you know, to achieve the kind of day we want to have.

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And I'm curious what some of your morning routine rituals are.

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How do you get yourself into a state where you can be creative and meet all the things

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that you need to do?

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Yeah, wow.

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This is such an important question.

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And it's one of the things that I bring up first when I'm helping people tap into their

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creativity and their kind of stagnant physical body and mental body.

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And it's like that morning routine is for you.

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And when we feel the best, we can keep coming back to that being centeredness, even if everything

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else in the day is falling apart.

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So I usually make my like morning coffee elixir first and then I go to my peaceful space

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and I do breath work.

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And in the breath work, I've, the podcast that I started is actually about all the

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different things that I do in order to be productive and creative and efficient.

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And I think when you start with the breath and get yourself into a state where, you know,

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you're waking up the body with different, with different gases and, you know, I do stomach

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vacuums and create shapes around myself.

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It's putting my imagination as a priority.

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It's getting my digestion going.

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It's really like jumpstarting the body.

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And then being still after that for a minute and just seeing what comes through or, you

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know, trying to be in no mind, of course, is a really lovely thing.

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And then usually I can feel my chemistry change and I can feel those.

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I just call them like a wash of chills.

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And then I'll go and exercise.

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And I think exercise is, I mean, there's just so much science behind it, but you really,

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it's just how you feel.

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And when you've given yourself that time and then of course, like cold shower and sauna,

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you know, some days, so getting self in a state and then I'll check my phone.

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So I've noticed that, you know, my phone is basically always on silent.

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And then I'll get into my first, like the thing that I'm going to need the most mental

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focus on because focus is like, I call it focus.

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You know, we do all these things and now we're in flow and I really protect that.

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Whatever that thing is.

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And yeah, it's a job not to get sucked into all the distractions, especially when you have

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partners or, you know, I have kids in the house and so it's, it does take my masculine kind

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of creating this beautiful container and setting, you know, setting the body up and setting

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my imagination up.

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And then there's this beautiful container and then I can create.

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So yeah, it's, it's priceless and I, I love helping people, you know, tap into that first

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and then they're in a position where they're not, you know, looking either at their emails

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or how wonderful everyone else is doing or feeling less than or feeling the anxiety of

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a lot of things non people's feed.

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So yeah, waking up in good chemistry, not waking up and consuming without intention.

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I love what you said also about creating that container and allowing yourself to have that

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space for it.

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And I feel like for so many of us, I know for me, this is the case, my own journey into taking

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myself seriously as an artist involved so much self respect and self love for what I do

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and a willingness to take myself seriously before the rest of the world did.

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And I made this journey because, you know, when I first started my band, there was a part

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of me that was, you know, we don't want to get our hopes up because it actually is the

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thing that we care about so much so we kind of actually downplay it.

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So for my first couple of years playing shows or recording or whatever, I was like, oh,

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this is a vanity project, you know, like, and I believe that because I was like, this

453
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,640
is worth it to me as a vanity project, but this is just a vanity project.

454
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,040
And then I had a spiritual awakening and then, you know, the spirit was like, no, you should

455
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,040
be doing this seriously.

456
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040
And that's okay.

457
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,040
Okay.

458
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,680
But what I learned is that it was like, no one is going to take me seriously as an artist

459
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,160
unless I do it first.

460
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,880
And if I start treating myself seriously and treating my art seriously, the amazing thing

461
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,960
is that once I start having that vision for what I want to do, like, it was almost like

462
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,400
the willingness to invest in myself meant that the universe kind of met me there 10fold

463
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,680
and all of a sudden people are like, oh, that's interesting.

464
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,680
That's interesting.

465
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,680
And it becomes like stone soup.

466
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,400
And they're like, oh, well, I know this producer, I know that person or whatever, you know,

467
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,200
and hey, do you need some of this?

468
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,200
Do you need some of that?

469
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,880
And then all of a sudden you've enrolled people into your vision.

470
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,280
But I feel like when we are, again, it's that programming that we receive that you spoke

471
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680
about where it's like, oh, you're going to do that on the side or it's, you know, you

472
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680
go home and you're busy.

473
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Oh, how is our little artist?

474
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,320
You know, all that, all that condescension that folks may receive.

475
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:03,280
So what is your advice to folks for allowing themselves the, the hootspa for lack of a

476
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,320
better word to take themselves seriously and take up space with the art that they want

477
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,320
to pursue?

478
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,320
Yeah.

479
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Boudreys have been really important to me.

480
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,440
I think when we, you know, are self-employed or work at home, we're considered like we should

481
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,640
therefore fold around everyone else's timelines.

482
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:30,440
And so it became, I realized that I was being way too flexible and it was, it was just, you

483
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,640
know, like when your focus is derailed, it's like trying to get a train back on the track.

484
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:42,280
So much like you're saying it has to come first if, if the priority that day is, you know,

485
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,480
to work your magic on a project, that's the deal.

486
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:53,080
And so when I started protecting my time and realizing that, that actually is the priority,

487
00:30:53,080 --> 00:31:01,160
then everyone has no problem making an appointment or they don't expect an answer for me because

488
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,280
my phone isn't even on, you know, I'm working.

489
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,160
And so how we treat ourself is the same thing with self-love, right?

490
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,480
No one can respect or love us if we don't have that for ourselves first.

491
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:20,560
So I mean, I've, I've had a couple really hard stretches in life and the nicest thing

492
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:26,920
I ever did for myself was really dial in myself talk and be really kind to myself.

493
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,280
And at first it seemed so fake, it seemed so ridiculous.

494
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,040
And I swear it changes everything and people follow suit.

495
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,520
They, you know, now that, now that we treat ourselves this way, then everyone is, that's,

496
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,120
what we're putting out there, that's what we're attracting.

497
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,640
And it's a beautiful gravity.

498
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,920
Like you said, people introduce you in certain ways or open doors because we're clear about

499
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,920
what we're doing.

500
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Yeah, we train people how to treat us for sure.

501
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Yeah, that's true.

502
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:02,080
And I feel like part of it sometimes is also walking through the world with, it's not

503
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,280
quite like a fake it till you make it, maybe it is a little bit, but it's this idea of

504
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,080
thinking about the artist that we want to be in the world and then embodying that, even

505
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,080
if it feels a little bit like a cosplay at first, you know, but that cosplay can get us

506
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,640
into that vibe and all of a sudden that starts to become the real thing when we commit

507
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,640
to it.

508
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,640
Absolutely.

509
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,760
And I think a lot of that goes back to morning ritual where you realize you are this

510
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,160
container and this energy is coming through you and that you're good no matter what

511
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,760
and you've done the best for yourself in the beginning, it seems to very much align the

512
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,520
day when there's the self doubt or, you know, there's questioning.

513
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Yeah.

514
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,280
You spoke also about the difference in creating and cons, or not just the difference, but the

515
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,960
ratio of creation to consumption.

516
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,160
And I've heard you speak about this in some other places too.

517
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,160
And I've heard that, I've heard that go around a lot and we are in a world where it's almost

518
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
impossible for us not to consume.

519
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,760
And yeah, I'm curious to get your thoughts on that and then I might have a follow up question

520
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,760
on that as well.

521
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Okay.

522
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,560
So tell me a bit about your ideal creation versus consumption ratio.

523
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,920
I have found a lot of, sometimes I call it like earning your dopamine.

524
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,680
When we're consuming things, we're depleting ourselves in some way.

525
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:32,680
And so I don't want to say it's 80, 20, but I know the difference between like, if I'm

526
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:41,040
in the sauna and I'm creating a real, or I'm creating a palm or I'm something is coming

527
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,520
through me as opposed to just scrolling.

528
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,360
I feel so different.

529
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,000
And of course, it's good to get ideas and of course it's good to, you know, support other

530
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000
people.

531
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,920
But so right now I'm just using probably social media as the example.

532
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,840
It's like your offer, something's coming through you.

533
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,320
But I know I feel uncomfortable when I have ideas or a design or even even just a beautiful

534
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,320
thought.

535
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,040
And if it doesn't come through me, it's almost like a clog.

536
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,960
And so whatever it is we're giving the world and this doesn't have to be, I completely

537
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:26,720
understand the general notion that a creative is a painter or a musician or, you know,

538
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:33,280
something where, you know, that's the typical creator, but everyone's a creator.

539
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:43,040
And I mean, my God, my accountant, wow, you know, like the juggling things is creative.

540
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Obviously being a parent is the ultimate perhaps creativity, but running a company, you know,

541
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:55,160
this isn't, I decided to make all the maintenance in my life as creative as possible because

542
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
there's so much of it.

543
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,240
And I think if people can tap into that, then they, their creativity is going to flow, you

544
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,960
know, the word is used a lot, but if a person's inspired, everything they do is going to be

545
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,480
inspired.

546
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,200
I forgot what the original question even was, did I go on with the engine?

547
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,520
No, that was actually the perfect segue because we're talking about creation versus consumption.

548
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:25,040
I mean, follow up question to that was going to be, how do you, and if so, how do you differentiate

549
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:31,880
sort of mindless consumption like mindless scrolling versus consuming to be inspired?

550
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,360
Because one of the things that I know I do is I will have, if I'm writing a song, usually,

551
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,040
I have the idea for the vibe of the song, first, there are some people who I feel like something

552
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
just kind of comes through them and they're like, oh, that's what it was, whatever.

553
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,560
And for me, it's like, oh, no, I can see it in the distance.

554
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,080
It's just kind of fuzzy.

555
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,040
And so I'll start, you know, kind of going down some listening rabbit holes and I'll listen

556
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,240
to other artists and I'll see what's out there and I'll kind of pull some references together.

557
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:05,880
And ideally, by the time I've created it, it doesn't have any noticeable resemblance to,

558
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,520
you know, any prior work, but I kind of how to use those as stepping stones to get there.

559
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,080
So I find myself thinking, you know, there is a degree of consumption that almost feels

560
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,840
necessary to my inspiration.

561
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,920
I'm wondering if that's true for you or how you would advise, you know, tempering that, I guess.

562
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,440
I call it research and development.

563
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,440
I love that.

564
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:32,240
Yeah, that's the R- that's the R- D portion, essentially.

565
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,920
So my daughter is going to school for engineering and the more I looked into it, I'm like, we're

566
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,920
all engineers, right?

567
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,520
We're all designing our life.

568
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,920
We're all, some of us not intentionally, but I think that kind of thing is the research

569
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,400
and development portion.

570
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,880
It's important, I think, that delineation of deciding what I'm going to use this tool for.

571
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,800
I don't necessarily have to limit the time, but it's like, it should probably take about

572
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,200
this much time, right?

573
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:03,080
And you are going there for a reason not to be daunted, not to like entertain yourself

574
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,520
or numb out, you're collecting the pieces that you need.

575
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
So I think that's not the same as consuming.

576
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,480
I like that distinction.

577
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120
I like thinking of that as research and development.

578
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,320
Yeah, that's really cool.

579
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
I'm talking to people that are also inspired.

580
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160
And sometimes it's not even about the topic, right?

581
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:31,600
It's just about getting back into your, the vibration of just being kind of lit up is

582
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,600
what it comes down to.

583
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:38,320
And there are people, I think, that can invoke that in us, not in a needy way, just having

584
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,800
those conversations about the complexity of it or by the end of the conversation, you're

585
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,080
just like, oh, my God, I'm so excited for this again.

586
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,600
You know, this is the clear path.

587
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,600
And I'll never forget there's, there's an artist, a painter by the name of Zach Smith.

588
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,160
And he once tweeted something that I always think about when it, I'm thinking about like getting

589
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,560
into my interstate.

590
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,760
He said, if you're ever working on, he's also a writer.

591
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,000
He was like, if you're ever working on like a piece of journalism and you feel like you've

592
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:15,520
lost your way with it, try explaining the concept of the article you're writing to a person

593
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:23,040
in a bar at two in the morning who doesn't speak all that much English, which was clearly

594
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480
something he was in the middle of doing when he was tweeting.

595
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,920
He was at the, I want to say it was like the A, V, N, Expo and he was writing a piece on

596
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,240
it for a journalist outlet.

597
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,200
And he's like, well, wait, why are you writing about the adult performers like in who's

598
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,520
reading this and whatever?

599
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,240
And it's such a clarifying experience.

600
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,520
And mine is not way be quite so exciting.

601
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,400
But I always feel like when I'm stuck in my business or I'm feeling resistance to learning

602
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,960
the systems or whatever.

603
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:54,280
I always, I'm like, all right, I need to schedule a coffee with a friend who's maybe in a

604
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,920
similar field and explain to them what I'm doing.

605
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,760
And between the caffeine and the conversation, I will come out of that with so much clarity.

606
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,760
Yes.

607
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Yeah, absolutely.

608
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,720
So what are some of the environments that you do?

609
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:14,040
If maybe not 2 AM at a bar speaking to someone with very little English or maybe coffee with

610
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,400
a friend or maybe not, but what are some of the rituals that you do to create that clarity

611
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,560
in yourself once more mid-project?

612
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:29,400
I guess beyond what I've talked about is also a good state change.

613
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Just pulling yourself out, I have an ice bath.

614
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,520
That's amazing.

615
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,360
It's just like, okay, state change or leave the house for a bit.

616
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,920
I believe an amazing tool in the psychedelics.

617
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,720
We talked a little bit about that before the show.

618
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:51,720
I've never actually created on psychedelics and I can't say that I've been stuck and did

619
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,960
a psychedelic for that.

620
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,120
The healing and the different things that come up and are conjured.

621
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Definitely, I would say unlock the flexibility to think about things in so many, from so many

622
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,760
different angles.

623
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,720
And in so many different ways and has really allowed me to write size things.

624
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,520
And then also it's very interesting.

625
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Some of the things that I will just say conjured or come to mind have actually been built later,

626
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,800
commission later.

627
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,440
They were almost the answer to something that hadn't happened yet.

628
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,920
So I often wonder, yeah, it's so cool.

629
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:39,520
I do believe we exist at every time and that when we're paying attention, we can tap into

630
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,360
our future self and of course, leave breadcrumbs for our past selves.

631
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,800
So I think that's a beautiful way of unlocking literal ideas.

632
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:56,720
But then also the neuroplasticity that you get really allows for, I mean, problem solving

633
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,680
isn't really even the white word.

634
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,240
So it's almost like conjuring the exact formula to get us where we need to go.

635
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,760
Yeah, I love that you say, Wade, into psychedelics because of course, as we talked about before

636
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,760
we started recording, this is something I want to dive into as well.

637
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,520
Yeah, let's just start with you.

638
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,080
If you would share some of your experience with psychedelics, how you got into it and

639
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,520
the relationship that they have to your creativity.

640
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,840
You know, your podcast is called the Re-Patterning.

641
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,640
And I do believe that one of the greatest gifts that I've received from psychedelics is

642
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:37,120
being able to look at what I was given that I didn't know that I was agreeing with.

643
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,680
And that's freedom.

644
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:47,600
And I think with freedom, you make choices that are truly yours and the sovereignty that

645
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,960
I embody and it's a gentle sovereignty.

646
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,040
It's not at all that I know all the answers.

647
00:41:54,040 --> 00:42:02,920
It's just that I trust the things that are coming in and to be free of and have so many things

648
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960
dissolved that were really a cage.

649
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,120
I do believe a lot of us are caged in our mind.

650
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,400
And I'm sure I have many layers to go, but it's such a fast track.

651
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,560
And also you're here in states that it can be uncomfortable, depending on what you're doing.

652
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,320
And I realize at different times in life, I'm trying to be so comfortable that I'm actually

653
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,720
shrinking.

654
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:31,960
So to be uncomfortable and talk to the pain that's in your body or talk to your trauma

655
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,000
or have your eternal self giving you information, like who knows what's going to happen in there,

656
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,720
but it is definitely a fast track to your own freedom, which I think is very, obviously

657
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:49,560
it's liberating and then you're just going to notice more.

658
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,640
You're going to hear your intuition so much more clearly.

659
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:59,720
It's not your grammar speaking or whatever was handed down to you through religion or media

660
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,720
or whatever the case might be.

661
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:06,000
Like what is it I really want to keep and agree with and then what is going to give me more

662
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:12,000
freedom to express what I feel is going to help the greater good, the greater inspiration.

663
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,240
Yeah, it's really humbling too.

664
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,120
I've found my own experience with psychedelics.

665
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,120
It's like you have to really be prepared to get your ass handed to you, but to recognize

666
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:28,720
that again in that same way that maybe frustration is a sign of your validity as an artist, like

667
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,200
getting your ass handed to you in ceremony is a sign that you're actually doing really

668
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,720
deep and meaningful work because it can be embarrassing sometimes when we see like a

669
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:42,840
wait, like did I actually believe that or was I actually acting in this way or like how

670
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,960
oh my gosh, you know, but I feel like that's a good sign, you know?

671
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,480
Yeah, absolutely.

672
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:55,200
I know plenty of people who the psychedelics end up being like more of a reinforcement

673
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,640
of their actions.

674
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:05,840
So I feel being put to the ground sometimes is like, yeah, face down, sobbing, oh my god,

675
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,880
like you're really getting to the, I'll just say like to the bottom of some things as opposed

676
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:18,120
to if it's reinforcing my anger towards a person or something else, then it's not going

677
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,440
in the right direction.

678
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,280
And it's also, you know, psychedelics can, I have been derailed by them too.

679
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,440
Like I'll get these amazing ideas and I will like, you know, I had a hole in a clothing

680
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,680
and all these bits and that and and then I realized two months later, I'm like, oh my

681
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040
god, that totally derailed me.

682
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,760
Yes, that was awesome.

683
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,520
However, you know, it's not to be taken lightly either.

684
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:48,560
Certainly, it's like the integration of whatever happens in, you know, in those types of

685
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,440
journeys is equally as important, I think is the journey.

686
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,640
Yeah.

687
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,880
I'm curious how you would advise someone who is either not yet done psychedelics or

688
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,320
someone who is, you know, just starting down that pathway.

689
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,760
How would you navigate?

690
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,880
Because yeah, there, I have certainly seen anyway in many psychedelic communities, folks

691
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,040
who, who, who do plenty of them and who somehow still anchor into this egoic identity of being

692
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,200
like super spiritual, but then have a ton of shadow that they have not addressed.

693
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,880
And how would you advise folks to navigate that so that they can steer themselves toward

694
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,280
actually doing the work and not just reinforcing something that is there and their ego already

695
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280
being.

696
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Once again, I think the, the beginning, the genesis is where we, we plant the seed for

697
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,200
any sort of project or, you know, environment or, you know, this kind of a very special

698
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,240
evolutionary path.

699
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:53,000
And so I tend to be pretty intentional and intentional whatever I do.

700
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Once again, it's like, why am I doing this?

701
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,160
You know, what is it I want to address?

702
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:04,120
And you, having what, you know, what do I need to see and then, and then of course it's

703
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:09,640
probably not going to get you what you want, but you will have, you will have laid it out.

704
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,680
And I think sometimes because psychedelics can also just be a ton of fun.

705
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:20,160
So sometimes, you know, when I'm in my cocoon and I'm out in the universe and everything

706
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,480
is just incredible and there's all these ahas and patterns and it's blissful.

707
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,560
It's like, what am I here to do?

708
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,080
You know, and then I'll come back into that and things are revealed.

709
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,920
And so I think the intentionality is a huge part of it.

710
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Obviously, set in setting is extremely important.

711
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,960
I can't, you know, express that enough.

712
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,520
And then we all hear so many horror stories of, you know, people going to places and basically

713
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,640
being just processed through some sort of journey and who knows all kinds of bad stuff

714
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,640
happens.

715
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,760
So, you know, protect yourself, set yourself up for success.

716
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,400
You know, you want to go or be with someone if it's your first time.

717
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,600
I mean, and a lot of people are fine just on their own too.

718
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,320
But yeah, I think the intention is very important.

719
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,640
You're setting a container and then a lot of that is going to come in not necessarily in

720
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,440
the way you think it would.

721
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,440
Yeah.

722
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,840
That's for sure been my experience.

723
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,720
Yeah, that's, that's something that I probably would advise to that setting the intention

724
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,080
for the ceremony.

725
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,560
It steers you in ways that you cannot possibly have predicted before you go into it.

726
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,040
And you're like, wow, I had no idea that was good intention was going to show up in this

727
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
way, but it absolutely did.

728
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,920
I remember my first I wasca ceremony.

729
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Nobody really gave me a proper warning about it.

730
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,400
And I don't regret it whatsoever, but I had just come out of a really painful breakup.

731
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,480
I was really not even, I would say I was right on the cusp of my awakening journey by

732
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,960
maybe just less than a year, but I wasn't, you know, I was sort of at the rock bottom that

733
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
it takes before you get to that point.

734
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,240
And the intention that I set going into this ceremony was like, yeah, I think I really

735
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,400
need to purge the darkness in me.

736
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Oh boy.

737
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Oh boy, did I?

738
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:15,000
I came, I was like, wow, I, I, I don't ever want to fuck with like that, that glamorization

739
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,760
of like depression or darkness or I'm tortured in pain or whatever, just because I'm

740
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,760
a god or whatever.

741
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960
I'm like, oh no, no more.

742
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,160
I was like, it was like the universe gave me a giant like swirly in the cosmic toilet of

743
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,160
existential pain.

744
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,400
And I was just like, I'm done.

745
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,480
Like mercy, I cry, Uncle, like I'm done.

746
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400
I'm done glamorizing pain.

747
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,400
It was wild.

748
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,280
And it took me two years to go back to another ceremony again.

749
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,800
But when I went back the next time, the intention I set, at least for one of them, because

750
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,240
then I went back another, you know, another 10 or so times, I think that summer, but the

751
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:53,160
intention I set was to fall in love with myself, you know, and oh my gosh, what a beautiful ceremony.

752
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Yeah.

753
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,160
Yeah.

754
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,560
It's wild how that, it's wild how that, how that happens and how it affects our experience

755
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,400
so much more than what I think we give it credit for before going in.

756
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Absolutely.

757
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,320
Yeah, I cannot, I just share with people if they're considering it that, you know, one session

758
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:18,080
with yourself in that state, I don't think 10,000 of ours of therapy could do it.

759
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:24,360
The things that you'll be called to do or that will become clear, the information that

760
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,480
comes in, wow, I'm just, I'm so appreciative.

761
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,480
And it does.

762
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:36,600
It takes courage because some, you know, some of these, it could be scary or it could be not,

763
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,000
not fun, fun, right?

764
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:45,440
And some are like if the intention is to release or to discover like, why is this happening?

765
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:54,600
My latest ones had to do with, I was having physical like my SI joint was ripping apart as

766
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,960
my first daughter was leaving home.

767
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,320
And I'm like, oh, okay, there's a lot, I haven't dealt with here and a couple journeys with

768
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,120
that like, you know, it sounds out there.

769
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:12,480
It sounds woo, but there was definitely the, the pain of birth and keeping it together

770
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,440
for, you know, these 19 years, I don't, I don't want that on my body.

771
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Like, it's, it's understood now.

772
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,000
It's released now.

773
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:29,240
Just yeah, the appreciation and the release and just the awareness of what is going, like

774
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:34,640
in that particular instance that was going on physically in me, that's been held.

775
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,560
All these things are actually held in us.

776
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,920
So I think that's, that's one of the major gifts.

777
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,320
And once again, it leads to more freedom, at least more understanding.

778
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:48,640
We led to like all this different art, you know, about our creativity and more intention.

779
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,080
Like what am I burning today?

780
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,200
You know, so a lot of it is metaphor too.

781
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:59,920
It's not necessarily a little birth of a baby, but we are all divine creators.

782
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:07,640
And just being more and more authentic in ourselves sometimes takes these tools.

783
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:15,120
If we, like, I choose to get as far as I can in this life with my authenticity, so.

784
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,120
Beautiful.

785
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,720
Well, I would love to bring on Tomi as we near the end of the episode to ask a question

786
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,200
that she has of you in your work.

787
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Yeah.

788
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,720
So when we met at Electric Forest a couple of weeks ago, what sparked our conversation

789
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,720
was me being dressed as Princess Leia.

790
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:39,560
And you would told me about how important that character was to you in your young life.

791
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:46,200
And I'm curious, kind of tying this in with your, like, muse work with other creatives.

792
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,880
Is there a character that you would currently call, like, your own personal muse or someone

793
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:57,000
that like embodies an archetype that you try to channel in your current life?

794
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000
Yeah.

795
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,760
That's an awesome question.

796
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:06,240
The two that flow through me most are ISIS and Kali actually.

797
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:13,920
And I really feel like sometimes it is the energy of Kali that we need, the severance,

798
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:22,040
the finality, the embracing of the shadow, you know, just consume it, transmute it, and

799
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,720
really be in that sort of power.

800
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:31,280
And then the other would be, and it's usually more prevalent would be ISIS, which is why it's

801
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,760
in the name of Genesis.

802
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,960
So with that, it's, yeah, just tapping into, you know, loving the person's essence and

803
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:49,480
being able to get them to reveal that so that they recognize it.

804
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,360
So what is channeling Kali look like for you nowadays?

805
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:01,360
It's usually a, a comment, let's just say it's like a come to Jesus of whatever it is that

806
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120
needs to be released.

807
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,280
Like let's name it.

808
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,480
Let's call it what it is.

809
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,040
This is why it's not serving me.

810
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Sometimes that's a conversation, right?

811
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:17,240
So instead of being dismissive or ghosting or, you know, shoving something down, it's addressing

812
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:24,320
this and being very, very decisive with its release.

813
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,960
And sometimes that seems abrupt to some people and that's okay.

814
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,160
And I take it, ISIS is a bit more on your creative side then?

815
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,160
Correct.

816
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,520
So, you know, having, we talked a little bit more about like creating, I talk about the energies

817
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,000
of masculine and feminine a lot.

818
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:49,800
And when I visualize them and feel balanced, you know, having that container, being solid,

819
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,280
feeling healthy, that's something that is cultivated.

820
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,880
And then being able to be that ultimate creator.

821
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,600
So bringing things to life, you know, listening for what wants to come through, bringing the

822
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:13,920
magic and the beauty, I find that, you know, the everlasting and almost continuous inspiration

823
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,960
that I feel she embodies.

824
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,840
So that kind of energy moving through, you know, that sparks, that sparks a space or a person

825
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,520
or an event or a sculpture.

826
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:32,680
So for our listeners that are just now discovering your work, what advice do you have for them,

827
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,480
for finding their own views and their creative pursuits, whatever they may be?

828
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,880
Oh, probably a lot of, like, I played this with the kids, like, if you could be any animal,

829
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,880
right?

830
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,960
If you could, if you could, you know, have any tail or if you could have any kind of skin

831
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,280
or if you could, like, what really is your ultimate character?

832
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:02,000
And I think in the spaces, you know, the three of us are in, that's much more celebrated.

833
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:09,600
And we get to like, exude that and we adorn ourselves in that way and that becomes, like,

834
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,920
we are that.

835
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:18,600
And so helping people, whether it's through symbolism or, you know, through how they carry

836
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:25,560
themselves in the world, it can be transformative using your imagination, being, being inspired

837
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:31,400
like you, people sometimes don't believe that they do make a difference in the energy everywhere

838
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,480
they go.

839
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,680
So it's that, that I'm covering and that questioning that can sometimes, you know, speed up the

840
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,680
uncovering.

841
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,680
That's a really fun thought exercise, I think, for finding that.

842
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,680
Thank you for sharing that.

843
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,680
I think.

844
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:46,680
Yeah.

845
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,800
Pulling that out on long car rides or maybe I think you're doing, I think you're doing a

846
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,680
great job already for sure.

847
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,520
I can test that anyway.

848
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Right.

849
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,600
I mean, when you, when you walk into a space and people resonate with, you know, the, the

850
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,240
effort that we put out there in some situations, it's, it's our regalia.

851
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,800
And that can really light people up and it can start the conversation.

852
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,280
And, you know, that's what it was your energy and what you were offering that drew me to

853
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,280
you.

854
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,080
And then we have that, you know, a beautiful conversation.

855
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,280
And here we are now and I get to meet Arden.

856
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:30,280
And so I find that being in spaces like that or bringing people into that energy, it just

857
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,560
kind of starts to bubble up.

858
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:37,720
And then you're, you're like, tourist fields are overlapping and the imagination is sparked.

859
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:43,600
And so in that way, I think we're all news for each other.

860
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,200
And that is probably our ultimate, you know, offering to the world.

861
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,400
It's like finding your own personal flavor of drag in a way or always.

862
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,600
That's how I feel in the spaces we met.

863
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,520
Like divorcing this from gender, like, this is just what, what is this like idealized version

864
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,520
of yourself?

865
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,360
And yeah, I feel like I see it almost as a sense of a drag of now.

866
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,360
I can be anyone.

867
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,360
That's true.

868
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,360
What's today's drag?

869
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,360
Yeah.

870
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,080
What do I want to put out there?

871
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,920
And it's kind of like this genuine form of who we are.

872
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,600
And then even when we're maybe not princess Leia, we're given that off, right?

873
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:30,000
So that's also a very myths and magic coded concept, which is the other course that I teach.

874
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,520
It's a very grant Morrison concept as well.

875
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,760
You know, my teacher who talks about the idea of fiction suits, you know, I always love

876
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,480
to quote RuPaul, who says, whatever you put on when you get out of the shower is your drag.

877
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,280
And there are so many people out there who don't realize the belly of options that they actually

878
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,280
have available to them that they, you know, just kind of go with whatever that default

879
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,880
is that they've been conditioned into.

880
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,600
And it's like, no, everything that you're choosing is actually a choice whether you are

881
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,480
aware of it or not.

882
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,360
How we walk through the world is something that we get to do very deliberately and intentionally.

883
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,360
Yeah, very intentional.

884
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,360
Yeah, there are some days I, I want to disappear.

885
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:13,800
And I just look like, you know, at my painting clothes and I am, I'm not even here.

886
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:19,400
And then yeah, we go through times where it's, it's just so much for so long.

887
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:24,120
It's like, oh, yeah, today let's put on, you know, our symbols.

888
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Let's take, you know, feel, feel, you know, glorious and take some time.

889
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,640
And it's like such an insu-switch.

890
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:38,560
So it's, it's kind of like music. It's such a beautiful tool for how we want to feel or

891
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,400
what our mission is that day and yeah, I love it.

892
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,000
Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Jennifer.

893
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,400
This has been such a lovely conversation.

894
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,800
And I want to let people know where can they find you if they want to maybe reach out to

895
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,440
you for creative consulting or maybe they have a space they would like to beautify with

896
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,960
some art and sculpture.

897
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Where can they find you?

898
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:05,400
So I have a website, an old school website, it's thesomashow.com and that kind of will lead you

899
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,680
through what the process is or can be like.

900
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,160
There's some examples of that and then there's a whole gallery of different, some of my favorite

901
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pieces to give you an idea of what's possible.

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And then I am on Instagram as much as I can be for fun.

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And that's my name with an underscore in the middle.

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So at Jennifer underscore, Espenscheid and you pronounced it perfectly.

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Oh, I'm so glad.

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Yeah.

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Well, thank you again.

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This has been an excellent conversation.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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And thank you to all of you out there for listening tune in again to the repotterning podcast.

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We will be back with more extraordinary conversations on how you can purposefully choose the

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beliefs, behaviors, patterns and mindsets that support you generating the life that you are

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in love with.

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So until then, go forth and repotter.

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Thank you for listening to the repotterning podcast.

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If you're curious about the repotterning project, the eight week course in mental mastery

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and creative freedom that inspires these conversations, you can check out more details

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at the repotterningproject.com.

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We run a cohort twice a year or you can download the self-study version of the course and get

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started today.

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We also offer a four week course on narrative, magic and archetype titled "Mitzen Magic,

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Changing Your Life Through Story" also twice a year.

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If you'd like to join our community, the repotterning parlor on Discord, you can sign up for

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$5 a month at patreon.com/therepotterningpodcast.

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Thanks to everyone who makes the repotterning podcast possible.

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Firstly, our award winning producer, Tomi Trembath, of the key master collective network

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of podcasts.

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She also produces transcending comics, vision in the void and giant sized violence.

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Thanks also to animation studio Mortis and Madriacs who created the video for our introduction,

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as well as to Andrew Means who composed and produced our theme music.

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And also thanks to Al Alvarez, who took the photos of yours truly that you see on the cover

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of each episode if you're watching the video version.

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And finally, thanks to you, our listeners, who give meaning to this work.

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Your greatest wishes that whatever you've heard today inspires you to live freely and begin

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creating your reality from the inside out.

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Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you again soon.

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