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Hello and welcome to development purgatory.

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This is the podcast all about the movies that were never made, the scripts that were

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never written, and the ideas that never even made it to the page.

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I'm Barbie!

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I'm just Ken.

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Well, with the shirt, I feel like Allen.

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Why do you feel like Allen though?

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It's a pink.

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I think the way it fits.

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It's fair.

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We'll shrink it.

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All right.

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Well, Ken or Ellen or however you feel today, I think we need to travel back.

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Back.

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To 1986.

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Oh.

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And the con film festival, when the Canon group made a little announcement.

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About the first live action Barbie film.

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Ooh, yes.

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Although some historical reports conflict and say that it never actually fully got announced

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that it was rather buzzed about in the trades.

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Instead, I prefer to live in a world where Barbie gets a full announcement.

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Do you remember said live action Barbie from the 80s?

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Hmm.

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I can't say I do.

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No, that's right because we're 37 years ahead of our time.

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No Barbie.

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No Barbie.

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For 37 years.

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Speaking of the Canon group.

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They were, uh, booming out the beam movies for quite some time.

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And in the 80s, they made a distribution deal with Warner Brothers.

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And at the height of the Canon group, they made 43 films in one year.

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Roger Ebert actually would say that no other production organization in the world today,

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certainly not any of the seven majors had taken more chances with serious marginal films

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than Canon.

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So why not gamble on a blonde who was having a hell of a year?

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Because in 1986, she was in Andy Warhol's The Portrait of Billy Boy, or had an animated show

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of Barbie in The Rockers.

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The Canon announcement came with a live action Barbie that would show her owner that all

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her dreams can come true, a plot line to remember.

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Or at least like Greta Gerwig in Hans one day.

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I mean, with Canon, it was like, how can we make a poster to make people see the movie?

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So that was Canon in 1986.

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Canon in 1987, a very different story.

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Because they made this big announcement.

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They seemed to really like to do that with their films from what I've seen.

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They were releasing a movie called that they had deemed the Star Wars of the 80s.

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I mean, the Star Wars of the 80s was Star Wars, but this is what they called it was the Star

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Wars of the 80s.

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Do you have any guesses as to what film this actually was?

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Was it Life Force?

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No, that was 85.

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It was still the 80s.

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And it took place in the 80s.

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It took place in the 80s.

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It took place in the 80s.

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It took place in the 80s.

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It took place in the 80s.

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It took place in the 80s.

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She was probably in her 20s.

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That's hope.

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But this was her like the start of her career.

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This was her leprechaun era.

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This is the closest leprechaun she has with he-man.

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Well, that movie came out.

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Do you know how it was received?

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Poorly.

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It was touted as a colossal floor.

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That's also most canon films.

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Because the idea of canon films is like make the spectacles for the trailer.

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And that's about it.

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Not really much substance for the movie.

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I've actually never seen the...

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I've actually never seen the...

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I've actually never seen the Courtney Cox's Masters of the Universe.

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I just watched the trailer and was like, "Ah!

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There's Monica!"

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I kind of want to watch it now based on the trailer.

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But I'm not gonna.

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So it was a colossal floor and a massive financial flop for the canon group, which was still recovering

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from the 1985 flop, Life Force.

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Do you know how they pitched Life Force?

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I mean, it was an alien invasion.

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It was claimed to be the cinematic sci-fi event of the 80s.

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And for those of you at home that don't know what Life Force is.

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Life Force was based on a 1976 novel, The Space Vampires.

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Loosely.

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It was about three humanoids that were in like this state of suspended animation, and they were brought to Earth after being discovered in the part of an alien spaceship or whatever.

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This is my favorite part of a European space shuttle called The Churchill.

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I love it.

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The aliens come to Earth and drain the Life Force out of people.

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Space vampires.

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By seducing them.

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By simply being naked.

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Just trying to make this the...

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The G-Synopses, but no.

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Oh no, all of our episodes have the explicit E.

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They do.

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Attached to it.

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That's your fault.

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'Cause someone won't stop swearing.

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That's my fault.

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The final financial nail in the Canon Group's coffin was...

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Do you know which one?

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Was it Supergirl?

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Don't blame Supergirl.

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You're close, though.

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Supergirl is like one of the later ones.

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It was like Superman and Supergirl.

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They both took on.

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And those were like a financial burden for them.

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I know that they were trying to do a Spider-Man movie as well.

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And that was another like financial failure.

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The budget was just too big for like the model that they were going for,

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which we see today with like Blumhouse where it's like

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I don't know what exactly the nail in the coffin was, but I knew it was around that time.

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You're incredibly close.

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It is Superman IV.

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The Quest for Peace.

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I didn't realize that was the nail in the coffin.

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I thought they...

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Do they do Supergirl first?

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And then Superman?

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They had to have, because from all of the research that I found,

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the three like biggest financial flops they had were Masters,

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Life Force and Superman IV.

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And those are in a span from 1985 to 1987.

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And that's when they made the deal with Warner Brothers to like take over and be like,

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well, if you're not going to do a Superman movies, we'll do one.

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And be like, well, how bad could it be?

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It bad.

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You're real bad.

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They just had this crazy couple of years where in 1986,

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they're turning out films like Crazy and at this point,

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they really only have Life Force flopping, which it's like, alright,

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when you have 43 movies on your slate and one is this...

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I'm sure there were others, but one is this massive financial flop.

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No biggie.

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But then when Masters financially flops and Space Vampires,

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which is what I'm going to call it forever and always, financially flops,

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what a quick 180, the company took.

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The Canon Group would go on to face bankruptcy.

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Part of their assets would go to Warner Brothers.

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And the group was eventually taken over by path communications,

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which was controlled by an Italian.

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I always want to say, Financier.

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Financier?

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Giancarlo Paretti.

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Over time, multiple murders would happen.

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But the Canon Group would...

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Wait, multiple mergers?

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He said mergers.

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Merger.

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I mean, there might have been some mergers.

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But multiple mergers would happen.

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And the Canon Group would never be the same.

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Because of this, Bobby never happened.

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Spider-Man kind of took a similar journey as well.

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Spider-Man was obtained by Canon, or at least the executive over at Canon.

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Because like, he hung on to it even after the company disbanded.

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The idea was that Spider-Man was going to be made by Canon films

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and because of the like, sudden bankruptcy

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and suddenly, like, the company was over, they just wasn't able to make it.

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And then, like, the film was a little bit of an Icarus issue where they flew real close to the sun and flopped hard.

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So now we're going to leave the 80s and cut to the 1990s.

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In the 1990s, Sharon Stone, super hot stuff.

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She's got basic instinct in 1992.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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And then, when the secret service step out, you're actually like, oh, she a toy.

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I own this. I think all of us owned this. Yes. I remember that movie. That was a big deal.

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Was this the start of the wave of like a shit ton of Barbie CGI movies?

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Barbie would go on to star in many CG adventures like Barbie, Fairytopia, Barbie, Fairytopia, Marmedia.

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In 2016, we'd get Barbie, Spy Squad, or Barbie, Dolphin Magic. In 2017, we got Barbie, video game hero.

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In 2021, we get Barbie, Big City, Big Dreams. And the most recent Barbie, being Barbie and Teresa, recipe for friendship.

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I do not watch this video, but I remember when the Barbie movie came out, I was seeing a bunch of videos for like Barbie reviews.

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And there was one thumbnail of a guy who just looked absolutely miserable.

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And like he did this to himself, but it was like the title of it was, I reviewed every straight to video Barbie movie that ever came out.

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At the time of this recording, there are 44 CG animated Barbie films.

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And on September 8th of 2026, Mattel is celebrating the 25th anniversary of Barbie in the Nutcracker,

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with an all new 45 minute animated special on Netflix.

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Oh, that's neat.

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But we're doing Barbie in the Nutcracker. That's the big celebration as she just gets her original story.

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Uh-huh. One more time.

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Of the Nutcracker, the... not original story.

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[laughs]

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Thus concluding our brief segue into the Barbie CG animation world.

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And you can travel to the real world too with these advertisements.

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[applause]

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Welcome back to Barbie Land, a vibrant, matriarchal pink utopia run by diverse Barbies.

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Hi, Barbie.

285
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Oh, no. Wait, we're only nearly at the end of the odds with 2009.

286
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Hi, Barbie.

287
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Yeah, we're not there yet.

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When Barbie is turning 50, she look good for 50.

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Real good.

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[laughs]

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Variety released an article stating, "Metella setting up more play dates for its toy properties.

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Universal Pictures has added Barbie to its star staple, while he, man, and the Masters of the Universe

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has found a new home at Sony."

294
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Yeah. The newest Masters.

295
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Was that Sony? Who made it?

296
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It was Amazon.

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[laughs]

298
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It was so close.

299
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There's a through line that I did not realize when I chose to do the history of all the Barbie movies that didn't get made

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and how closely tethered it is to Masters of the Universe.

301
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Uh-huh. Interesting.

302
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I mean, they're toy movies, right?

303
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But it does sort of seem that, like, if we are in the early odds, Barbie still...

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Girl toys. He, man, is still boy toys.

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So I get the...

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Let's tether them together as a package.

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And that way we've got all our bases covered.

308
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Yeah.

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So in 2009, Lawrence Mark, who worked on Jerry McGuire and Julien Julio, was set to produce.

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He stated, "There's no shortage of plot possibilities since Barbie has held more than 120 jobs over the years."

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At the time of the announcement, Mattel's senior VP, Richard Dixon, was asked why a movie hadn't been made before.

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And his response?

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The brand wasn't ready for a movie.

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In the last 10 years, Barbie has evolved from a toy into an intellectual property.

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Barbie has a proven track record in home entertainment.

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There's been live stage shows, live symphonies, and other non-traditional forms of entertainment.

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There's a flagship store in Shanghai.

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So...

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The brand wasn't ready for a movie.

320
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Okay. So wait, did he say that they're doing all this stuff, but not ready for a movie?

321
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Okay.

322
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So you just...

323
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Good old Richard Dixon.

324
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But I had to...

325
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Just wanting to get bullied.

326
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Yeah, his parents were very nice.

327
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So...

328
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How someone didn't write that into the Barbie movie all that?

329
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He just proved himself wrong.

330
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Be like, "It's not ready for a movie.

331
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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

333
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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

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It's not ready for a movie.

348
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It's not ready for a movie.

349
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It's not ready for a movie.

350
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It's not ready for a movie.

351
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It's not ready for a movie.

352
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It's not ready for a movie.

353
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This isn't like, oh, look at this brand new IP thought we just had.

354
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This brand has been around quite a while.

355
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The irony to me really continues when we talk about Pixar.

356
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So Pixar originally wanted Barbie to play Woody's love interest in Toy Story, which was 1995.

357
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Yep, Mattel didn't allow it.

358
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No.

359
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They didn't allow any other choice to be in there.

360
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Given this is a new technology, I don't know, a movie made from a computer.

361
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That's impossible.

362
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There's no way this is going to be any good.

363
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So they were just like, you know what?

364
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We're not going to deal with this for right now.

365
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And then after the success, they're like, oh, we really should put Barbie in there.

366
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And that's why we have Barbie and the rest of the Toy Story movies.

367
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Well, if we jump to Toy Story 2, which is 1999, is when we get to where guide Barbie.

368
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Yes.

369
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So Mattel is like, oh, hey, here you can let her out for a spin for a little bit and let's see how this does.

370
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And she did really well.

371
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She did.

372
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And she made it in the bloopers where she was like, I face hurts from so much smiling.

373
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But think about it this way, where that's 1999.

374
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She gets her own story, CG animated in 2001.

375
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So Mattel's like, no, no, no, no, no, Barbie, no, Barbie, no, Barbie.

376
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Oh, let's let this other person borrow her and see how it does.

377
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Oh, this pile of money has changed my mind.

378
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Then you cut to 2010 when we have Toy Story 3.

379
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At this point, she's got nine years of her own stories.

380
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She's off due in Dolphin Magic and Rapunzel's Castle and whatever.

381
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I mean, given that Barbie has over what 200 different jobs, you're just like, we can put her in anything.

382
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Right.

383
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So then you cut to Toy Story 3 in 2010 and she's a pretty big part of that movie.

384
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Yeah.

385
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You know, who she's voiced by?

386
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Oh, actually, I don't.

387
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I definitely should.

388
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She's voiced by Jody Benson in the Toy Story 1 specifically.

389
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You know who Jody Benson is?

390
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What was my favorite Disney movie growing up?

391
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It was The Little Mermaid.

392
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She was Ariel.

393
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It was Ariel.

394
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Huh?

395
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My voice?

396
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But without my voice?

397
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How can I...

398
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You'll have your looks?

399
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To our right is the Hot Wheels aisle to go up in 1967.

400
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The original series had 16 cars including the Corvette.

401
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Thank you, pardon, man, but where's the house office?

402
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Please hold all questions until the end of the tour.

403
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Thank you!

404
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I can see that now.

405
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Right?

406
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Yeah, I'm here.

407
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Also, Barbie as a toy, they worked with different companies in IPs to make branded Barbies as well.

408
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Was there a Disney Princess line?

409
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There was.

410
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I stayed away from the history of Barbie and the Ruth Handler of it all because that's the movie we did get.

411
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Because I know there were definitely toys and action figures of the...

412
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There was a Hillary Duck Barbie in 2006.

413
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Excuse me, Lizzie McGuire?

414
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Yeah.

415
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They definitely started branding with other people.

416
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Okay.

417
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I couldn't remember if they were actually like, Mattel, Barbie, branded Disney dolls or if it was just Disney making their own dolls with like another company like what?

418
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Star Wars and Canter or something like that.

419
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It seems like the first Disney themed Barbie doll was produced by Mattel in 1996 with Walt Disney's Cinderella Holiday Princess Barbie.

420
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What a mouthful.

421
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You could cross her over with the toys, but her own moving picture?

422
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No, no.

423
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One of the reasons that they also stated was that they wanted Barbie to remain a blank slate so children could make her their own, which is ironic when they're like, but Jasmine Barbie.

424
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I had two Jasmine Barbies growing up.

425
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My mom wanted me to return one of them because why would I need two of the same Barbie?

426
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And two is one good sturdy.

427
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No, I liked having two Jasmine's.

428
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We see Barbie in 2010 as part of Toy Story 3 and unfortunately she's gonna go back into the box for another five years.

429
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April 23rd, 2014.

430
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The rights had now moved to Sony's desk.

431
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The same studio that was still working on a Master's movie.

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Jenny Bix, who was the writer and EP of Sex in the City and the Big C as well as the writer of The Greatest Showman, was set to pen the script.

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Hale does an unexpected clever and truly funny concept.

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It captures everything that is made Barbie a classic for generation after generation while also standing on its own establishing Barbie as a truly original character.

435
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It was supposed to start shooting at the end of the year.

436
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But in early 2015, it is announced that Diablo Cody would be taking over the script duties.

437
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So there were like two scripts for Barbie that were like pretty famously unmade and I know Diablo Cody was one of them.

438
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At this point in time Diablo Cody is a pretty big name at in 2014.

439
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She's done Juno in Jennifer's body and United States of Tara which I will tell everyone about because it's brilliant.

440
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It's pretty great.

441
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She has a very distinct voice that I love but I also know that you love what's your favorite Diablo Cody movie?

442
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Doesn't have to be pre-2014.

443
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I would go with Jennifer's body.

444
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Oh wow! We've started this season writing notes about letting each other talk about things or get excited about things.

445
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And I wrote let Dan talk about Lisa Frankenstein.

446
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Oh, that's right. Lisa Frankenstein is, "Oh, I forgot that that was Diablo Cody. Lisa Frankenstein is great as well."

447
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I saw them with twice in theaters.

448
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Written by Diablo Cody directed by Zelda Williams.

449
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Lisa Frankenstein is fantastic movie coming of age figuring out who you are. Grizzly murders.

450
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So Diablo Cody, I was like, "Ah, Diablo Cody Barbie, I want to read that script."

451
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So you were talking about how there were two very famous unmade Barbie scripts which is fun for me because I am doomed to never actually get a project that has a script behind it.

452
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I'm working on it.

453
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You are. You're working very hard and I appreciate it. But I wonder if listeners are like, "Cos you're not reading scripts?"

454
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Very possible. Scripts are very hard to read.

455
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Hey!

456
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They go wide and then they go thin and then they go wide again. What does that mean?

457
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She's not a writer.

458
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I can write them. I just can't read them.

459
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So it's the entire reason I wanted to do this episode.

460
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Turns out she never turned one in.

461
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Oh, so there's no script to be leaked.

462
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There's no script to be leaked.

463
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Cody said, "I failed so hard at that project. I was literally incapable of turning in a Barbie draft. God knows I tried. I think I know why I shit the bed."

464
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When I was first hired for this, I don't think the culture had embraced the Fem or the Bimbo as valid feminist archetypes yet.

465
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If you look up Barbie on TikTok, you'll find this wonderful subculture that celebrates the feminine.

466
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But in 2014, taking this skinny blonde white doll and making her into a heroine was a tall order.

467
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That idea of an anti-barbie made a lot of sense given the feminist rhetoric of 10 years ago.

468
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I didn't really have the freedom then to write something that was faithful to the iconography.

469
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They wanted girl-boss feminist twist on Barbie and I couldn't figure it out because that's not what Barbie is.

470
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Honestly, that is a really high order. Trying to think or just like fathom the idea of a movie about Barbie that doesn't fall into a stereotype that doesn't fall into caricatures or just like one note, one off characters.

471
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Or even the main character, Barbie, just being like, "I'm Barbie" and that's it. I made a plastic.

472
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Yeah.

473
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It's so hard to do and thinking into the Barbie that we have today, just the layers upon layers that go into it is just so complex.

474
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And it's so hard for me to even fathom like, "How did you come up with that?"

475
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Yeah. We're also in 2014. This was not intentional on our part but we've somehow made a season that has a through line and is very tethered together.

476
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So in 2014, what wildly successful movie was there?

477
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The Lego movie.

478
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Diablo Cody has been very open about her draft of Barbie and like her attempts at Barbie, how hard it was to obviously right at this time but then she's also bumping up against the Lego movie.

479
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Yeah, which also hit the feels really hard.

480
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Yeah. I get why they brought her on but that wasn't where it was going and then you're battling all of the Lego stuff.

481
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And there was one of the quotes that I found and she's like every time I would be like, "Oh, what about this meta idea?"

482
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It was like, "Well, that's too close to the Lego movie."

483
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You're battling all of the iconography of Barbie and Lego and what toy movies are supposed to be.

484
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So by the end of 2015, Diablo Cody exited the project.

485
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:32,560
And Sony would bring on three new writers in an attempt to fast track development because they were bumping up against a 2017 release date.

486
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:39,560
So they bought on these three writers and were like, "You three, right, you're attempt at Barbie and we'll pick the one we like the best."

487
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,560
I'm in that sound I'm coming, but yeah.

488
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,560
So they brought on Bert Royal who wrote Easy Yang in Cruel Summer.

489
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Okay.

490
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Hillary Winston who was co-EP on Community and Happy Endings.

491
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,560
And did a story for the Lego Ninjago movie.

492
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,560
Hey.

493
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,560
And Lindsey Beer helped with Transformers and her remake of Short Circuit.

494
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,560
Three very different writers.

495
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Short circuit.

496
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,560
Interesting.

497
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,560
Yeah, three very different styles.

498
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:18,560
They would decide to move forward with Hillary Winston's concept, which followed Barbie as she got kicked out of Barbie land for not being perfect enough and lands her in a real world adventure.

499
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,560
Interesting.

500
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,560
Sounds familiar.

501
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Not so perfect Barbie would be played by Amy Schumer.

502
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,560
The studio so excited about the casting center a pair of Monolo Blonics.

503
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,560
Amy Schumer is kind of, that's not-

504
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Remember this is not so perfect Barbie.

505
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,560
It is not so perfect Barbie.

506
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,560
Amy Schumer is quite a choice.

507
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,560
Well, think about what Diablo Cody says, right?

508
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,560
Like they wanted an anti-barbie.

509
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,560
They wanted a girl boss feminist.

510
00:24:48,560 --> 00:25:00,560
Ironically enough, they wanted this funny edgy sort of take of an anti-barbie while still somehow fitting into the iconography that Barbie is.

511
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:16,560
It's just so hard to square the circle of you want to make an official Barbie movie by addressing all of the feminist viewpoints of what Barbie, I think that doesn't represent.

512
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,560
But like the negative viewpoints of like what Barbie has, you're just kind of highlighting that.

513
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:31,560
And I can't imagine Mattel being like, so you want to make a movie about our product while making Barbie look bad.

514
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,560
Right. The line is a dot to you.

515
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Like I get why this movie took so long to get made.

516
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,560
It makes me incredibly sad.

517
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:44,560
Your really threading the teeniest needle to get this movie made.

518
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:50,560
So Schumer and her sister, Kim Caramele, planned to do some additional rewrites.

519
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,560
But later in 2017, Schumer would make an announcement of her own.

520
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,560
Sadly, I'm no longer able to commit to Barbie due to scheduling conflicts.

521
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,560
The film has so much promise and Sony and Mattel have been great partners.

522
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560
I'm bummed, but looking forward to see Barbie on the big screen.

523
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,560
So we go back to weird Barbies drawing board again.

524
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:18,560
This time we're going to bring on director Alita Jones, who has directed episodes for Made for Love, Peacemaker, and Bite or No R.

525
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,560
Hey!

526
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,560
And this go round Barbie would be played by Anne Hathaway.

527
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,560
I think she would be a really good Barbie.

528
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,560
But we're not in the Hathasans yet.

529
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Are we not?

530
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,560
No, not in 2017.

531
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,560
We're not quite there yet.

532
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,560
Really? What is...

533
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,560
When does the Hathasans begin?

534
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,560
Yeah, because I think of her coming off of Princess Diaries.

535
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Yeah, because Brooke Beckmonton was already out and that was like a big movie for her.

536
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,560
I feel like she is like in a perfect time for her.

537
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,560
To tread very lightly.

538
00:26:48,560 --> 00:27:02,560
There was a terrible viral wave that went on in the early 2000s, peaking around Lamez, which was 2012, called Hathahate.

539
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Okay.

540
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:10,560
It was actually like a weird internet trend where people didn't like Anne Hathaway for some reason.

541
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560
It was a really toxic time.

542
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:19,560
If you look at her career, she definitely like took a little bit of a break and now we are in what I've deemed the Hathasans.

543
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:26,560
She's talked about how Christopher Nolan putting her in her stellar in 2014 was really helpful for her career.

544
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:34,560
I think she's sort of kept herself going, but there's definitely a dip in her career, which is right around this time.

545
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Obviously, if it was this year, she would have no problem.

546
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560
Miss, I've got five movies coming out, the new baby onward.

547
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,560
I think she's doing all right.

548
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,560
She's doing fine.

549
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,560
I can see her as a good Barbie.

550
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,560
I agree.

551
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,560
We've got the script.

552
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,560
Yes.

553
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,560
We've got the director.

554
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,560
We've got the actress.

555
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,560
So close.

556
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,560
Sounds like Barbie's full seam ahead, right?

557
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,560
Yeah.

558
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,560
We're going to get this movie in October of 2018.

559
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Sony lost the rights.

560
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,560
I know that whenever they have the rights to a lot of IPs, they kind of have a contract with them.

561
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:21,560
So, like, for example, Spider-Man, the reason why we have so many Spoodermans or Spooderman adjacent movies is because they have a five-year contract with Marvel and Spider-Man, which is why we have a lot of those.

562
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Is this the same case with Barbie where it's like they signed the contract five years ago, couldn't get their shit together, they lost it.

563
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Basically.

564
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,560
Yeah.

565
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Okay.

566
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:37,560
[Applause]

567
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:44,560
So the rights at this point are going to go up for grabs and they go to Warner Brothers.

568
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,560
They get a little WB.

569
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560
And Lucky Chat Productions partnered up to make the movie happen.

570
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Do you know what company Lucky Chat is?

571
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,560
No, I don't.

572
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Lucky Chat is Margot Robbie's production company with her husband Tom Ackerlick.

573
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Okay. I didn't know that that was the name of their production.

574
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,560
I knew Margot Robbie ever since doing itanya.

575
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,560
She has basically been the producer of every movie that she's a part of.

576
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:10,560
Yeah.

577
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,560
Lucky Chat has made some real bangers with their most recent weathering nights.

578
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,560
[Laughter]

579
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,560
My quick opinion on weathering heights and I know they put the quotation around it.

580
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Call it something else.

581
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Change the name of the characters and call it weathering heights inspired.

582
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,560
It would be a fine movie in the heights, you know what I'm saying?

583
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560
The weathering, sure, whatever.

584
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,560
I agree with you.

585
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Yeah.

586
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,560
As the dumb dumb that read weathering heights for the first time right before seeing the movie.

587
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,560
And you're like, whoa.

588
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,560
[Laughter]

589
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Anyukhye.

590
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Yeah.

591
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,560
Weathering heights.

592
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Again, Lucky Chat always makes a beautiful movie.

593
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560
I will say weathering heights is gorgeous.

594
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Looks amazing.

595
00:29:53,560 --> 00:30:01,560
I have a couple issues with geometry and like angles of certain things, but that's a deep film

596
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,560
nerdism and not like a real criticism.

597
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,560
So going back to their previous film, Margot stated that she did not need to act in Barbie.

598
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,560
She just wanted to be a part of making such a fun film.

599
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:18,560
But when they brought on writer director, Greta Gerwig, Gerwig thought Robbie was the perfect Barbie.

600
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,560
And thus, Barbie was finally let out of her box.

601
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,560
It was Greta Gerwig and Noah Bambeck.

602
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,560
They wrote it, Greta Gerwig directed it.

603
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Okay, because I know that those two are writing partners for like everything she does, that she directs.

604
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,560
A lot of it, yeah.

605
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Yeah.

606
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,560
They kind of float and do their own thing and then do a ton of projects together.

607
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,560
Okay.

608
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:49,320
So on July 21st, 2023, Barbie would open and make 1.447 billion globally, making it Warner

609
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,560
Brothers highest grossing film to date.

610
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,560
And yes, many will say that Barbonheimer added to its success.

611
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,560
In a way, yes.

612
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560
They kind of both helped each other.

613
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Get out of my mouth.

614
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Because you have the film bros who are like, well, she's not tour.

615
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:13,560
She has come up with these great movies and like had it not been for like the bros going out for a Nolan film.

616
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,560
Yeah.

617
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,560
And then we like, oh, we can do both.

618
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,560
And it doesn't seem less manly.

619
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,560
It just seems like we are cultured swines.

620
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:28,560
I absolutely think that Barbonheimer helped both of those films.

621
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,560
They did.

622
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Because then you have the crowd that was going for Barbie.

623
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,560
It was like, the guy who made the Adam Bob, do we really want to see that?

624
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:41,560
I went and did Barbonheimer weekend in at the time I was living in Atlanta, Georgia, not the film capital of US.

625
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,560
I drove probably an hour outside of my way to be able to see Oppenheimer in the correct format.

626
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560
On your phone.

627
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,560
On my phone.

628
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,560
I sat in the parking lot and sat on my phone.

629
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:58,560
That was the first time post pandemic that it felt like movies were starting to percolate a little bit and come back a little bit.

630
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:10,560
And there was something about being in this hour outside of Atlanta at this theater and walking in and seeing people dressed with black blazers with pink t-shirts underneath or like,

631
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,560
dads who were in like all black with like a daughter in, you know, or seeing like the dads that were in pink.

632
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Like it felt like movies were an event again.

633
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,560
Yeah.

634
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:26,560
It was so great when I, because I saw it in theaters as well, or I saw at least Barbie in theaters.

635
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,560
The amount of people just like dressed in pink.

636
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,560
I don't even think it was like a marketing thing.

637
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,560
It was just like everyone was just on board at that point.

638
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,560
And it was so easy to dress up for Barbie because you just need to find something pink in your closet.

639
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,560
And I had a pink Rocco's modern life shirt.

640
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
I mean, it's not Barbie, but it was pink and it felt like-

641
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,560
Right, because it didn't matter.

642
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,560
No, it didn't.

643
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,560
It was like, you are just part of this Barbie movement.

644
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,560
And it felt so cool to be able to look at other people also dressed in pink and go,

645
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,560
"Hey, we're here for this thing together."

646
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Yeah.

647
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Which is my favorite part of going to see a movie and why movies feel important.

648
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Almost like we had all waited a really, really long time for this movie.

649
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Yep.

650
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,560
And you can love it, you can hate it.

651
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:23,560
But a lot of Barbie- of the previous Barbie is agreed that this was the exact version that we should have brought to the screen.

652
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Sharon Stone would write on America for her Instagram.

653
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Look how far we've come.

654
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Thank you, ladies, for your courage and endurance.

655
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Diablo Cody would say the most successful movie that I've ever written was "Juno."

656
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,560
And that wouldn't get a theatrical release today.

657
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,560
I've made several swings at IP with Barbie and Powerpuff Girls,

658
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560
and I take full responsibility for the failures of those attempts.

659
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Because I do have a specific voice and POV,

660
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,560
and I haven't figured out how to modulate that yet.

661
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Amy Schumer would say, "I can't wait to see Margot Robbie's movie. It looks awesome."

662
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,560
There's a new team behind it, and it looks very feminist and cool,

663
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560
so I will be seeing this movie.

664
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,560
But perhaps it's Anne Hathaway that makes it the most clear.

665
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,560
What's so exciting about what Greta and Margot and the phenomenal team did is they hit a bullseye.

666
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,560
A bullseye that caused the entire world to reach this level of ecstasy.

667
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Now imagine that version, that much energy, that much anticipation, that much emotion.

668
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
But it's not the right version.

669
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,560
I actually think of it as a lucky thing that mine didn't get made.

670
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Margot is sublime.

671
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,560
What she's doing as a creative person and a producer is so exciting and inspiring.

672
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,560
The mythic giants they toppled with Barbie that have kept certain narratives in place

673
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,560
that have not allowed opportunities to develop for so many.

674
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,560
They ran straight through those.

675
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Just as a cinema goer and a woman in Hollywood since I was a kid,

676
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,560
I'm thrilled by this development.

677
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560
If I believed that the version I was attached to could have done that,

678
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,560
I might feel differently about it.

679
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,560
But I genuinely think that their film is the best possible version.

680
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560
It's easy just to be thrilled and happy for them.

681
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,560
I love watching women kill it, to do so well, so undeniably that they actually had to write new records.

682
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560
I think that'll probably make things better.

683
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,560
We talk a lot on this podcast about movies we wish had been made.

684
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,560
The reason I chose this episode was to highlight one that did get made against all odds.

685
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
We talk about how it's a miracle to get a movie made.

686
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,560
And the history of Barbie proves just that.

687
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,560
And it's a true lightning in a bottle when it does happen at its best version.

688
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Yeah, I do want to point out because in Halfway did talk about how Margot Robbie is the hero in the situation.

689
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,560
She was the one that pushed for Greta Gerwig to be the director for her to write her story.

690
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:52,560
And in a way, I believe it was her or if there was some other producer who were blocking a lot of the studio notes coming to that project.

691
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Or scenes that they were trying to cut entirely.

692
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:01,560
They just outright said, "No, we're making sure Greta's movie is getting made, no matter what."

693
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:09,560
And it ended up working in the end and all of the notes that they were trying to give her probably would have heard the film just never got to her.

694
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:16,560
It is incredibly hard to make a movie, period, especially when a studio is so heavily involved.

695
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,560
And I get it, studios have images, they have to put out a certain caliber of items.

696
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,560
And then you bring in these autours who have their own specific voice.

697
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,560
And it really is this push and pull of getting it done a specific way.

698
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,560
And I think you can look at Nolan who is very specific and does the epic war movies.

699
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,560
At this point, Nolan had made so many movies.

700
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560
And I don't know that he really gets questioned, right?

701
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Like, no one is going to see the Odyssey for the story.

702
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,560
No, no one's like, "Oh man, I'm such a homer nerd."

703
00:36:52,560 --> 00:37:01,560
But if you look at Gerwig's trajectory, and if you look at Barbies' trajectory, they're questioned every step of the way.

704
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,560
I don't want to get onto my tiny women in film soap-box every time I have an episode.

705
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:14,560
But I think Barbie felt like such a massive win because it felt like a win for Barbie, buffer women.

706
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,560
And it was so diverse, right?

707
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Like, I know that Diablo Cody talks about not being able to like write this skinny white woman as a heroine.

708
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:30,560
But then you saw Barbie and it was just a movie about celebration and goodness and the matriarchy.

709
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,560
But it was just a movie that was a win in every way, shape and form.

710
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,560
I did find the scene that they wanted to cut.

711
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,560
There were many.

712
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560
There were a lot. The famous one was when she sits down at the bus stop.

713
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,560
She looked at the old woman and she says, "Oh my god, you're beautiful."

714
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,560
There's a reason I didn't put it in my notes.

715
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,560
I actually rewatched Barbie last night and yeah.

716
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,560
Yeah, and when she says that, like, there were so many studio heads that were just like, "Oh, I don't see how that's part of the story.

717
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
I don't see how that's relevant."

718
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:07,560
And they fought like tooth and nail to be like, "This is a good scene. We have to keep it in the movie."

719
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:14,560
To me that seemed when talking about like, "Oh, it's cool that it was diverse for gender and for race.

720
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,560
It was also diverse for age."

721
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Like to be able to hit all of those boxes.

722
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:27,560
And yes, at times, it absolutely is heavy-handed in a way that our world really kind of needs it to be.

723
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,560
You can love it or hate it, but they did a lot for cinema.

724
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Yes. And every first of all, a lot of old cinema too. I think that's another part was like...

725
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Yeah.

726
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:43,560
That got all the film bros. The fact that it opens on an homage to 2001's Space Odyssey.

727
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,560
Do you know why it does that?

728
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,560
I don't.

729
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,560
The history of Barbie being made at the time, they're really were only baby dolls.

730
00:38:52,560 --> 00:39:00,560
I started going down the history of Barbie as a doll rabbit hole and realized that that is a completely different episode.

731
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Yeah, I kinda knew the history of it. I know it was based on a German doll. Ruth had then brought over to the States.

732
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,560
And it was like, "Well, if it's popular there, I'm sure we can make a doll like that here."

733
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560
What was the German doll? It was like, "Bibby" or something?

734
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Build Lily was a German line of fashion dolls. I think they tried to sue her? Probably.

735
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:32,560
Also, I think Ruth Handler did a lot for feminism and Barbie and all of that in general.

736
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,560
She has a mildly sorted past, which is another reason we're not doing a deep dive into her life.

737
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Sometimes you can just contribute good things.

738
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:51,560
So, fun fact about her, I guess not so fun fact, but she had cancer and it really didn't make her feel as confident and as great as she wanted to feel.

739
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,560
And so she actually came out with a line of these prosthetic bras.

740
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:09,560
Her legacy, regardless of the rest, was that she really wanted everyone to feel their best, which ironically, Gerwig captures in a way that the more you read about Ruth Handler or the history of Barbie,

741
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:18,560
the layers of the Barbie movie are so deep that on a rewatch, I'm always just like, "Ah, here's this other thing. I'm never gonna find it now."

742
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,560
But there was this other baby doll. Baby dolls were the big thing before Barbie.

743
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,560
There was one that people will get mad and be like, "Oh, Barbie wasn't the first. It was this one."

744
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:36,560
It wasn't a small, thin doll like Barbie was. It was closer to a baby doll, but had a bra and a girdle and all these things.

745
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,560
And so that was sort of the, I want to say like, transitional doll before Barbie.

746
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,560
But they're kind of like the paper doll.

747
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,560
Paper dolls were also part of the inspiration for Barbie doll.

748
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560
But no, this was a like actual like toy.

749
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Okay.

750
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:55,560
The reason that Barbie opens with Barbie being like the monolith is because that was actually the history of it.

751
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Yeah.

752
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,560
[applause]

753
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:13,560
I think a big like thank you has to go to the Barbie movie because if you look at where we are now, the momentum and the energy that it gave to the movies.

754
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Yeah.

755
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,560
This summer we finally got the live action masters of the universe.

756
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,560
We got a he-man movie.

757
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,560
And aren't you so excited for October when we get the matchbox movie with John Cena?

758
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,560
It does remind me.

759
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:35,560
So when the movie came out, Randall Parks, he is quoted saying something like movie studios are going to get the wrong ideas out of the Barbie movie.

760
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Oh, yeah. I just feel like in general this industry is taking the wrong lessons.

761
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,560
For example, Barbie is a massive blockbuster and the idea is make more movies about toys.

762
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,560
No, make more movies by and about women.

763
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,560
That's the one.

764
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,560
Yeah.

765
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,560
I'm like, that's what made Barbie so successful and they took the wrong lessons.

766
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:06,560
That's the bigger discussion that I think Barbie brings up is that it took 37 years from initial announcement to screen release.

767
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,560
And the lesson that society took away was toys.

768
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,560
Toy movies. We need more toy movies.

769
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
I wanted to do this episode now for multiple reasons.

770
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,560
One, I'm always going to try and find a script that's going to highlight women and female ideas.

771
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,560
But also it does feel like we're percolating in a hopeful time of things.

772
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,560
Like yes, we got masters and yes, we are getting matchbox.

773
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,560
But in a way that we are also getting a lot of original ideas.

774
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,560
And I think that's the beauty of the Barbie movie is, yeah, cool.

775
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Look at this IP.

776
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Barbie wasn't actually successful because of Barbie, the toy.

777
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Barbie was successful because it has heart.

778
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,560
It has emotion.

779
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,560
You laugh.

780
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,560
You cry.

781
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,560
I cried all my black eyeliner that I wore for Oppenheimer and to my light pink sweatshirt.

782
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,560
And it is an unforgettable movie whether you love it or hate it.

783
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,560
And that was a similar thing that I brought up with the legal movie.

784
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,560
It wasn't really the Legos that made it successful.

785
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:19,560
It was this idea of the father and son mending their relationship when they have straight so far apart.

786
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,560
And that's the thing that we connected to.

787
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,560
So when I came to Barbie, the thing that I came out of that movie was the speeches.

788
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,560
What was I made for?

789
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,560
What were you made for just trying to find yourself in that I think is a very relatable thing.

790
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,560
This is going to sound weird.

791
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560
But there's an episode of SpongeBob.

792
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Wow.

793
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Hey.

794
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Hard left.

795
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:47,560
I have written an oral presentation in college about a SpongeBob episode, which I thought was actually pretty good.

796
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
And how it relates to Barbie?

797
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:55,560
Well, it was actually Edgar Allan Poe in the modern.

798
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,560
I'm here.

799
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,560
He's gone down the structure.

800
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Anyway, there's an episode of SpongeBob Squarepants where Squidward finds other Squidwards.

801
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,560
And he moves into the neighborhood of like other Squidwards that are like him.

802
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,560
He thinks that this is the best place on Earth.

803
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,560
He thinks like, oh, everything's perfect.

804
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,560
And then as he lives his life there, it becomes monotonous.

805
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,560
And he realizes, oh, perfection is not what we were trying to go for.

806
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,560
And he becomes miserable.

807
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,560
And he goes crazy because of it.

808
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,560
And I feel like this is what happens is like the Barbie world is perfect in every single way.

809
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560
And then you have that one moment of existential dread where she's like,

810
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,560
you guys ever think about dying?

811
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,560
And it just like unravels from there.

812
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,560
I don't think about that in the perfect way at all.

813
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,560
I think about it in the human way, right?

814
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Like why is Barbie so great as a toy?

815
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,560
Is it great because the toy is great?

816
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,560
Or is it great because of the story that the kid puts behind it?

817
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,560
There was a quote from Diablo Cody of like, I used to play with Barbies as a kid.

818
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Those were the first movies I cast.

819
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Yeah.

820
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Because it's the human component to the toy.

821
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,560
And I do think that that movies like Barbie are going to be the future of cinema,

822
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,560
where it's the human story that matters.

823
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,560
Like yes, we can use AI or you can use whatever you want to use to make your movie.

824
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,560
You can say it's 100% practical and sneak in CG.

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,560
At the end of the day, the most successful movies and the ones that we watch over and over and over again,

826
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,560
regardless of IP or original idea are those with a good human story.

827
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:42,560
And I do think that the Barbie we got was the lightning in a bottle best version we could have gotten.

828
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,560
So please for the love of God, leave it alone.

829
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Don't do a sequel.

830
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,560
As we talk right now as of this recording, the sequel is stalling out.

831
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:59,560
And I don't think I've ever been so happy to go, oh, I hope something sits in development purgatory forever.

832
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Yeah, I can't imagine what the sequel would even be.

833
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:09,560
But I know they ended it with like, oh, they're going to put Barbie into the real world somehow or she's going to stay there.

834
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,560
You're not going to go through the same journey.

835
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,560
You're just going to have like a fish out of water comedy with Margot Robbie.

836
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:21,560
And Warner Brothers co-chairs, Pam Abdy and Michael Leluca confirmed all of this was going on.

837
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,560
They said we have a rights deal with Mattel in place.

838
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,560
And we've made a series of big offers to try and finalize deals to make the next Barbie film.

839
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,560
So we've been unable to reach an agreement thus far, which to me makes sense.

840
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,560
If you're making a sequel, you need to keep that team.

841
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,560
If you're making a completely different movie, then sure swap out the creative team behind it.

842
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:51,560
In 2024, Margot Robbie stated, it's funny that the knee jerk reaction in this day and age for everyone to immediately is to ask about a sequel.

843
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,560
I don't think it was like this 20 years ago.

844
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,560
This wasn't designed to be a trilogy.

845
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,560
Everything went into Barbie and that's how Greta works.

846
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:07,560
She finishes every movie on empty, feeling like she could never make another movie because she's put everything she had into that one.

847
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,560
So I don't know what it would take to fill that cup up again for her.

848
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Or for us, I think Warner would also agree.

849
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,560
I don't know what more could even look like.

850
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,560
We want to make more films that have the same effect that Barbie has.

851
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:28,560
The thing, and going back to the Randall Park quote, is like, we shouldn't be demanding another Barbie movie or more toy movies.

852
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:36,560
We should be demanding another Greta Gerwig movie, which I know we're getting with the Narnia movie, which I'm very interested to see what she does with that.

853
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,560
And like, just give her big, well-known properties to see what she's capable of doing with that.

854
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,560
Because if she's able to do that with Barbie, what is she going to do with something as big of a title as Narnia?

855
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,560
And that's the thing that we should be pushing for more, which I guess we're getting anyways.

856
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,560
I am excited to see what she does with Narnia, but I don't think it will have the same effect.

857
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:07,560
If you think about where we started in this episode and the original one of like, Barbies owner will get everything they ever dreamed.

858
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Or like, Barbie getting kicked out of Barbie land.

859
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,560
It's clear that Greta did her research.

860
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,560
And this movie was truly 37 years in the making.

861
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,560
With Narnia, we've had multiple remakes in our lifetime.

862
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,560
So I'm not saying that it won't be great.

863
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,560
I also am very excited to see it.

864
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:37,560
But I think because Barbie took this long to make and was this well crafted and this well thought out, I think that's the moral of what we should be taking away.

865
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:50,560
We want to see good movies and I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but perhaps it's Ken that said it best this year when Ryan Grozzling was at a New York screening for Project Hail Mary.

866
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,560
He said to the audience, it's not your job to keep theaters open.

867
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,560
It's our job to make things that make it worth you coming out.

868
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:12,560
It's been reported on with like, Gen Z is not going to the movies is like, no, there was nothing that really Gen Z was excited for and it wasn't until we learn, well, I don't know if we learn the lessons from it.

869
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:20,560
But we saw what happened when you put Gen Z in the driver's seat and they made back rooms, they made obsessions.

870
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,560
And because that like, you had that audience finally want to go out and see that movie.

871
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:34,560
They wanted to be part of the conversation. They wanted to actually go to the theaters because they were excited to see something that was good.

872
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,560
It wasn't attached to any IP, although you could kind of argue back rooms is its own IP.

873
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:46,560
Yeah, but still it was an original idea, especially obsession like that is not attached to anything.

874
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:54,560
And yet it did gangbusters in the theater because it related to Gen Z and why did it relate to Gen Z?

875
00:49:54,560 --> 00:50:05,560
It was a good story. It was a good story, but it also was it was made by someone who is Gen Z and they had a story that a lot of us could relate to was like, you're fun after someone.

876
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,560
They are not reciprocal and what do you do to get it back and all of a sudden you're in a monkey's position?

877
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Take away their free will.

878
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Yeah, which he has said that the movie was inspired by the monkey paw tree house of horror's episode of The Simpsons.

879
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:28,560
I think that our industry really likes to separate people, to separate ideas. Is it IP? Is it original? Is it Gen Z?

880
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,560
And that's not what makes a good movie, a good movie.

881
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:44,560
Going off of the monkey's paw thing, what I was in college in my writing class in particular, my writing professor who was like the head of our theater department who became very much a personal mentor.

882
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:55,560
His name was Randy Wyatt. He is no longer with us and I know that he had like a great effect on a lot of us, but he said that everything comes back to 17 plotlines.

883
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Everything man versus man, man versus nature, but there is no in theory, holy original idea anymore.

884
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:16,560
It is how you choose to tell a story in a unique way and that's what we lost for a really long time by saying, hey, all we want is franchises.

885
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:23,560
We love Marvel. We love superheroes, superheroes, superheroes, superheroes. That's not why we all loved an era of Marvel.

886
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:31,560
We didn't care if the big bad was doing something terrible. You wanted to see Steve Rogers get a happy ending.

887
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:40,560
You wanted to see all of the struggles that these characters were going through. You wanted to see them succeed in a unique way.

888
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:46,560
I did a recent rewatch of the third Guardians of the Galaxy and I forgot how sad that movie is.

889
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Oh yeah, no, that's a one time watch for me.

890
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:55,560
That was awful, but I saw and remembered like, as I saw in theaters, I was like, oh yeah, that was a really good movie.

891
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:02,560
And not because I got to see the Guardians again, it was because of rocket spec story and just how well crafted that was.

892
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:09,560
You want to be able to see yourself in a movie to see some part of a story that feels like you can connect with.

893
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:17,560
Yeah, there's the James kind of it all, but Superman movie where he has a speech at the end where he's like, I am a human.

894
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Despite him having superpowers, he's like, I am human and that's the best part of me.

895
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Yeah, and the reason that that movie did so well besides that like obviously like, I'm human is the kindness is punk rock.

896
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:37,560
At the end of the day, our world is pretty dark and we're looking for things that make us feel connected like Barbie did.

897
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,560
We're looking for things that make us feel human like Barbie did.

898
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:50,560
So we as an industry just need to make good movies and stop worrying about the money aspect, which I get it.

899
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,560
It's an incredibly expensive economy, but just what were we made for?

900
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,560
[Applause]

901
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,560
[Music]

902
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,560
And now is our time for our favorite moment of the episode.

903
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Apart where we tell you what we're watching and judging you for what you're not watching.

904
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,560
That is how that goes.

905
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,560
It is.

906
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,560
Full of judgment.

907
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,560
We tried to remain impartial during the episode.

908
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,560
We save it all up for right now.

909
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,560
What do you want to tell the audience to watch?

910
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,560
I have two technically, 1.5.

911
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:35,560
The point five of it is that a couple weeks ago I recommended Hades Town and I actually got to go see it in the theater.

912
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,560
The way that musicals on the stage were meant to be seen.

913
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,560
The way that Christopher Nolan intended for Hades Town to be seen.

914
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,560
I think it's a beautiful pro shot.

915
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,560
I highly recommend.

916
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,560
Originally I recommended it ahead of time because it was only in the theaters for five days.

917
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,560
And because it has done so well, including beating Hamilton.

918
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,560
They've extended its run.

919
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,560
You've got more chances to go see Hades Town.

920
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,560
I got my tickets in advance and I was still in Roby.

921
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Wow.

922
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,560
Cinema is coming back in such a way that even a Broadway show is packed.

923
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:18,560
I think the theater is the local big screen TV where it's not just about the movies.

924
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,560
We had Beyonce and Taylor Swift release their concert films.

925
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,560
It's about community.

926
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,560
It's about community.

927
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,560
And feeling together the actual recommendation I have for this week.

928
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,560
I saw the invite which was directed by Olivia Wilde.

929
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,560
Is this her first feature?

930
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,560
I know she's done a lot of short films before that.

931
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Oh, so I believe her first feature was Booksmart.

932
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,560
That's right. She did do books for it.

933
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,560
This was her fourth.

934
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Oh, okay.

935
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,560
I don't know the order of two and three.

936
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,560
But I do know that two or three was don't worry darling.

937
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,560
That's right.

938
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,560
And that was a movie that everyone who knows me sent me that trailer and was like,

939
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,560
this is a movie for you.

940
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:05,560
Look, it's so lexy coded and then I saw it and I was like, what do you all think of me?

941
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,560
We just think you're Florence Pew.

942
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,560
I'll take the PPP comments all the time.

943
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,560
It was not a big fan of that movie.

944
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,560
So I went into the invite there at trepidatiously.

945
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,560
But I got texts that were like, hey, go see this movie.

946
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,560
This is actually a movie you'll really love.

947
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,560
It's giving a lot of Virginia wolf vibes.

948
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,560
Yeah.

949
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,560
And it's not really an original idea.

950
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,560
I believe it is based off of a Spanish film.

951
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,560
I think Seth Rogen is, you know, does his good funny thing in Olivia Wilde.

952
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Like I was completely blown away by their performances.

953
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,560
It feels a little bit like a play.

954
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,560
It is for actors in one set.

955
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:52,560
But the creativity of shots and the storytelling within the cinematography is so good.

956
00:55:52,560 --> 00:56:01,560
I can't remember the last time I've heard an audience like laugh out loud like side splitting about not necessarily a joke.

957
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,560
But just how real something felt like it felt like a very communal experience.

958
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,560
I honestly might not have felt that connected in at the Eater Sense Barbie.

959
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,560
And people walked out like talking to each other.

960
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,560
It was great.

961
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,560
If you have the invite highly recommend seeing it in theaters,

962
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,560
even though it is this very quaint small story, it is weirdly connective.

963
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,560
You of all people, I think, will really like it.

964
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,560
There's a lot of fun mirror play with cinematography, which I know.

965
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,560
I do love the mirrors, but there's just a lot of really creative shots in storytelling.

966
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,560
Your turn.

967
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,560
All right.

968
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,560
I will also give a half recommendation to go see minions and monsters.

969
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,560
Did you see it?

970
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:50,560
It is a love letter to old Hollywood that I sent you a text and said it was the one minions and go with you.

971
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,560
I know.

972
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,560
It is a love letter to old Hollywood, but my true recommendation,

973
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:02,560
because I feel like the minions don't really need a recommendation because they are the most influential movie in the past decade.

974
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:03,560
All right.

975
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,560
It's podcast.

976
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,560
I disagree, but carry on.

977
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Not Barbie.

978
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Minions.

979
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,560
Definitely.

980
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:16,560
No, the movie that I'm recommending is Avatar Aang, The Last Airbender.

981
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,560
And I know that there was some issues where the movie got leaked.

982
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,560
And because of that, they decided to kind of do away with the theatrical release.

983
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
They went straight to Paramount Plus.

984
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,560
The whole thing, I think there's like a few select theaters that might be doing a theatrical thing.

985
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,560
But I did get to see it on Paramount Plus, and I will say that the animation is gorgeous.

986
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:43,560
I think this is a great companion to the Avatar world.

987
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:49,560
It's like the perfect segue between Avatar, The Last Airbender, and The Legend of Cora.

988
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:56,560
Because where The Legend of Cora starts is long after Avatar Aang has passed away.

989
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:07,560
Most of the show takes place in Republic City, where it is a central hub where all benders and even non-benders live in harmony with each other.

990
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:17,560
And the movie is about like him putting that city together while also dealing with the existential crisis that like he's still The Last Airbender.

991
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:23,560
And how is he going to reintroduce airbending into this world now?

992
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,560
And there's a pretty great villain who is voiced by Dave Batista.

993
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:29,560
- Nice.

994
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:37,560
- It's in so many attempts of like making Avatar in live action, especially with the Netflix series.

995
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:43,560
And long ago with M Night Shyamalan's movie, it just seems to continually fall flat.

996
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,560
And I feel like the television show on Netflix is just not doing it.

997
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:54,560
And the thing is like these kids are then falling back to just watching the original cartoon, which is great.

998
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:55,560
- Yeah.

999
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,560
- And I feel like your media is failing.

1000
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Like your TV show is failing when the thing you're trying to portray only reminds you of the better thing that's already out there.

1001
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:12,560
This movie I think like really brought back the spirit of Avatar The Last Airbender.

1002
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,560
It really tied into both the elements that we saw in Legend of Cora and the original.

1003
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,560
You get to see the gang back together again.

1004
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,560
And it's neat to see them as like adults.

1005
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,560
And I think this is a really great companion to all of that.

1006
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,560
And especially after watching the newest season of the Netflix show.

1007
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,560
- Well, because the Netflix show is a retelling of the cartoon, right?

1008
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:37,560
- Mm-hm.

1009
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,560
- As a young woman who wrote fan fiction in middle school.

1010
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,560
- Is that we don't need reboot and remakes.

1011
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,560
We need different chunks of a story.

1012
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:53,560
Like if you want to use IP, then fill in the dots of what's missing.

1013
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:58,560
- Yeah, something that has satisfied me like after the show has been done for a long time.

1014
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,560
There is a series of like comic books that have come out.

1015
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,560
There have been graphic novels that come out.

1016
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:13,560
I was gifted a book of short adventures that the gang went on that were like not included in the original trilogy.

1017
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaking of fan fiction, there was a really great fan-made graphic novel of what if it was the water nation that was trying to take over the world.

1018
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,560
And Saka and Katara are actually like the evil ones.

1019
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,560
And Zugo and Azula, they're the ones who find the Avatar.

1020
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,560
And the Firenations are actually the ones that are being oppressed.

1021
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,560
- Interesting. Avatar, what if?

1022
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,560
- Yeah, that has been satisfying me more so than like the live action.

1023
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,560
- Yep, that's my recommendation. Avatar, Aang.

1024
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,560
- Cool.

1025
01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:02,560
- You can find us on our social media pages. We are at development purgatory, unless you're on Blue Sky. That is @dev purgatory.

1026
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:12,560
There I am posting pretty much every single day with like concept art, especially like plastic man has been a lot of fun putting out stuff for there.

1027
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,560
Like anything that's like really visual, especially like comic book heroes.

1028
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:23,560
Like there's so much that we can put out there that is a really nice companion to the actual episode.

1029
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:28,560
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1030
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,560
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1031
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:42,560
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1032
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:50,560
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1033
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,560
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1034
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,560
And the last thing that I have to say is, bye Barbie.

1035
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,560
- Bye Ken. Did you bring your roll of plates?

1036
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,560
- I literally go nowhere without them.