Hello and welcome to How Did This Not Get Made This is the podcast all about the movies
that were never filmed, the scripts that were never written, and the ideas that I never made
it to the page.
My name is Daniel Kawka and I'm Lexcee Riley.
This is about a movie that actually did get made.
Yeah, we're watching it, we'll be watching it.
So this is going to be the first of many episodes that we're doing on movie reviews.
This is going to be an interim of sorts.
This is going to be a little different from how we usually do our episodes.
Usually our episodes are a lot more researched.
This one is not researched.
This one we fly by the seat of our pants the whole time.
Now the idea that I came up with to do these movie review podcasts is because oftentimes
when we're doing research we have movies that we have each other watch.
I know when I was doing the show with David I would have him do required watching as well.
Required?
Required watching.
Required reading.
You must do this.
Yeah, and the idea behind watching some of these movies is that you start to get sprinkles
of the idea of the unmade movie kind of put into a different film or it gives you a better
perspective on the research that you're presenting so that you have kind of a base idea of like
how to approach this subject, especially if you're going in cold you're hearing the research
for the first time.
And I figured that instead of keeping that behind the scenes I wanted to make it part
of the show and it's not going to be just a straight movie review podcast because there
are plenty of those that we might just throw it in from time to time.
Yes, but it is going to start sounding like that from our opinions but one thing that I
wanted to put into here is how does it relate to the research?
It's an educational opinionated.
Yes.
It's a much more guided opinion.
We are film nerds and it's nice to be able to make the correlation.
So the first episode that we're doing, the first movie that we reviewed relates to Guillermo
Datoros at the mountains of madness and in order to cover this movie, what movie did I have you
watch?
Hellboy!
There are things that go bump in the night, Agent Myers.
And we are the ones who bump back.
Hellboy.
Had I had the hindsight to actually-
2020, I've heard it's 2020.
Had I, well, we don't want to mention 2020 again.
Maybe the 2024.
That doesn't work either.
Had I had the foresight to actually know that we were going to make this into its own show,
its own segment.
It would have been interesting to see this for your first time.
Right.
But-
We can do that moving forward.
We're going to be doing that moving forward but we were able to watch the movie together.
That's kind of fun.
It was great.
I liked it.
We're going to watch us watch it.
It's part of our Patreon though.
It is part of our Patreon.
We are hopefully going to move forward with not only will we be able to watch the video,
but hopefully in the future we'll be able to actually do a live watch party with our Patreon
members and-
So you can join in too?
We were able to record ourselves, do our live reactions to the film and we're going to
talk about that now.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the more important thing of why we're doing this is how it relates, right?
Yeah.
So how does Hellboy relate to @mountainsabatness?
@mountainsabatness when Garamon Zotoro was working on it, he was developing the screenplay
for it.
He was at the same time working on Hellboy.
He was in production of Hellboy and was hoping to create @mountainsabatness after Hellboy.
And how I feel like it relates to the researches.
Well, one, you have the common denominator, which is a little Toro, but-
Tannacles.
Yes.
But knowing the lovecraftian style and now that it's much more prevalent today, it's much
more recognizable today, viewing the movie through that lens, you can definitely tell so
much of the influence that came from @mountainsabatness was put into Hellboy as kind of a proof of concept.
I will say during the watch party, I had to Google if Tannacles and the creature was even part
of the comic book.
And there's some fun art, but I haven't drawn a full conclusion yet, but you can see the
influence upon an influence upon an influence.
You would have to look at the Hellboy comics before Garamon Zotoro was involved with it,
because it seemed now the artwork that you were able to pull up, it seems to have been-
Influenced.
It's part of it, it seems just fits so well together, and I think just because so many people
have that image of Hellboy with the behemoth at the end of the movie, like associate Hellboy
with large tentically demon monsters.
Yeah.
Like we said, Del Toro is sort of the main thread between the two of them.
But there is one other person-
Doug Jones.
I believe that Doug Jones, he would have been one of the-
I'm trying to pick-
The Priest guy?
Not the Priest guy.
Oh, that's who I saw.
Interesting to be the Priest guy.
No, I don't think he would have been the Priest guy.
He would have been Gunnerson.
Oh right.
Gunnerson blends to me.
I can never quite remember which one he is.
Gunnerson, he was one that got infected, but he is the kind of the surrogate, the avatar
that the show got to keep on using-
Yeah.
To infiltrate the crew.
Is he one of the last ones standing?
He was one of the first ones that was taken out, but he was-
That's what I thought, and that's why personally I would like Doug Jones to be the Priest
guy because he last longer, and that is it.
Although you could have done so much with Doug Jones, just him being Gunnerson, because
Gunnerson is all throughout the movie.
And he has a creature that moves, like you can move very, very, very, and he is able
to move, like, unlike a human or like someone who-
Right.
He's got the body movement that you can see in-
Apes Apeans.
Yeah.
Which in that Apes Apean is paired off with Hellboy being portrayed by-
Ron Proman.
Lawson.
Yes, is Lawson.
Pacasol.
Yes.
The character who is made up in the At the Mountain, so Madness script to kind of be the just
all around badass.
Having those tethers, you can sort of almost see the casting even-
Yeah.
Between the two, like utilizing Ron Proman, Doug Jones.
Yeah.
And then someone blurs the- the wife that's left behind.
Like I guess she would make it to the screen, but I'm like, I feel like she'd be left on
the cutting room floor.
So early, not sound the blayer, but just that character.
That character was just like-
Or sweet wife that was like, don't do it.
And then he goes and does it.
And he's like, I'm gonna have a baby.
And die.
And then die.
No one even can say I told you so.
She dead.
Mm-hmm.
So lots of similarities, lots of similar people involved.
Yes.
What is your history with this movie?
With Hellboy in particular, I remember seeing it when I was in high school.
And the reason why I had watched it is because it was the trailer for that film always played
before the DVD for one spot in the time of Mexico.
That is dating us.
So hardcore.
Remember back in my day, there were trailers before the DVD started.
And I at the time was a- and still am a Rob Rodriguez fanboy.
What?
And I would watch that movie constantly and part of my reason for loving that movie and
in particular watching that DVD is not just the movie but the behind the scenes and how
Rob Rodriguez kind of approached filmmaking with it.
It wasn't just about like the pure art of it or like expressing yourself.
He's just like, it's fun.
I make movies.
Making movies is fun, man.
Have some fun with it.
So why not?
Yeah.
I don't know if he curated the previews that are on there but yeah one of the trailers
on there was Hellboy.
And I always remember the line that was from the movie that I know that you brought up when
you first saw you actually texted me was there are such things as things like a bump in
the next day and we bumped back.
That line was in the trailer and it really stuck with me and because of that I had watched
it in high school.
And then later on in life I had gotten a Guillermo Dutoro obsession back in like 2016.
So yeah I had gotten in obsession with watching his movies.
I was going through his photography and naturally like what came up was Hellboy and Hellboy
II the Golden Army.
And I just like when I attempt number two at Mountsman's Hellboy Boo Glue.
Yes.
Although I will in the reason why I never had you watch Hellboy II is because if you're
so far away right at the end of the way I think part of it was that Guillermo Dutoro was
so gung ho on making this movie that he didn't want to put it in Hellboy II to be like okay
we're done with the proof of concept we're just like I'm hanging on to this for this one
movie nothing for you.
I know that with Hellboy you had watched this for the first time.
I knew of it.
Yeah.
I guess more generally what I want to know is what was your history with Guillermo Dutoro
and then what it was your first reaction to Hellboy.
Okay so I have to go back to also college trying to think of the first one I saw.
I think it might be the orphanage which I keep calling the orphan and that's not those
two very very different movies.
The orphanage was one of those movies that stuck with me.
That is Guillermo Dutoro right?
Because if not it's the don't be afraid of the dark or whatever.
Does he help to produce it I guess?
Yeah he helps produce the film so his name might be on there as a producer.
Right.
So that was my technically still correct then was my first sort of foray into the name
anyway and I really enjoyed that movie a lot.
I haven't seen that movie in a long time but then don't be afraid of the dark I think
with Katie Holmes is the next one that I know was him.
Now I need to like look up a del Toro.
I'm just gonna pick the ones he produced that he didn't know way really all of my del Toro
knowledge is just terrible.
Yeah don't be afraid of the dark.
He helped with the screenplay but he did.
Damn.
So okay apparently I know del Toro is producing very well so now I'm going to keep his list
of credits in front of me and decide what.
So guess Pam Labyrinth is going to be the big one.
That's not my favorite one though.
Shape of Water is my favorite.
Right.
I think Shape of Water sealed the deal for me.
Yeah and we saw that.
We did.
I forget if we saw it in theaters or if that was a-
That's 2017.
That was 2017.
So we 100% maybe that's before the a-list years.
We're not sponsored by them but maybe sponsored by them.
A-list.
I guess in my head because there's a specific look to the orphanage and to don't be afraid
of the dark but now that I'm thinking about them they're not that far off from his
sort of look of things.
I guess heavy production influence but I liked that those things were artistic and I
love that Pam's lab runth was artistic.
I think by the time we got to Shape of Water I was like sure whatever he makes I will watch.
So yeah I guess found producing influence first and then fell for direction.
Also everybody also loved like around me really loved him.
Yeah it's definitely one of those directors that if you go to film school it's always a
Stanley Kubrick.
He's the modern right he's the modern day.
George Lucas sort of equivalent.
He also has his own niche.
Terrentino I feel like is like the blood the quick cuts like you know.
And the talking about stuff that doesn't have to do anything with the plot.
We're talking.
And it happens so many times.
School that it got annoying.
So then I think Del Toro is very visual when we were watching Hellboy I look at it and
I'm like some of these lines man like I think I even said like only Ron Brillman can
say those.
It's definitely a trope that I think when Guillermo del Toro was growing up especially like
in the 80s you had those.
Yes.
The buddy cop movies.
You can see the 80s influence on it.
Or like any action movie in the 80s.
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger was all about the quips.
Right.
And I think like writing wise he's decent but I think the visuals of him are the thing
that really draw me in like you were saying Robber Rodriguez is like oh I want to make
a fun movie like I just want to have fun.
I almost feel like Del Toro is the opposite.
He's like I will make this artistic masterpiece frame but every frame is a painting every
every frame is really gorgeous and the colors are very rich.
And I feel like sometimes I could watch his movies on mute.
Not because I don't think the scripts great because I truly do love shape of water but
because I just want to like study the art of the shots.
This I don't think we really need to cover so much just because it's such a well-known
movie and such a well-regarded movie but this is going to be something that's kind of
there for the future but the plot of the film if you have never seen Hellboy before what
happens in Hellboy.
Oh.
I've seen the young John Hurt young Dr. Broom and we witness like the evil Nazis like completing
whatever task they were trying to do.
The Ross Beauty Nazi which now that I'm saying how wow.
Is his character name really Ross Beauty?
Totally is.
Gregorio Ross Beauty.
Not like Ross Beauty Ross Beauty.
And they're there to witness it.
They thwart the efforts and in doing so a kind of a anti-Christ character is born.
That's what we get.
Oh Hellboy.
Hellbaby.
Big red.
Little red.
Who loves a baby Ruth.
Yeah.
It's a boy.
It's just a baby boy.
Broom takes him in, raises this creature like his own and we are.
He calls him father.
The one thing that I really love about is like he is a big creature like Hellboy is like
a big strong creature and the only time that he feels reserved when he is around Broom to
be like, oh I can't like misbehave around that.
Like there's a moment where he's.
There is a reverence for a father.
Yeah.
Like there's a moment where he has a cigar and like he's supposed to be like bad ass with
the cigar and then like he sees his father from like not talking to him for a while.
Right.
And he's like he just puts it behind his back to be like, I'm not.
Nope.
You saw nothing.
Yeah.
I always thought that was interesting.
So there's that we have introduced to a.
We cut to a present day or we cut to time forward and time.
Yeah.
We have a new character who seems like a new spy agent.
John Myers played by Robert Evans.
He joins their bureau of.
He goes to the way the beautiful waste management building.
Yes.
And joins the secret.
They don't have like a, there's no team name.
No, they're because the idea is that they're not supposed to be known.
So he joins a new team.
He's supposed to be the new assistant to Hellboy and we bloody.
Yeah.
And we follow Hellboy and his team.
There's a sapien played by the Jones.
Yeah.
The water creature basically the shape of water.
Yeah.
You know, it's real.
Yeah.
Like, yes, very shape of water creature.
But he senses through his hands.
Tens of the things.
Yes.
He doesn't do that specifically.
But like we're doing the pan's labyrinth for those of you that aren't watching.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's an interesting correlation that I literally just made while we're talking about
it.
So he is joining the team.
They go out and they like, they sent something going.
They sent evil.
Evil.
They go out and check on that evil.
They try to, well, they think they defeat it.
Right.
Because they're just like, oh, it's just like kind of like a men in black situation.
With his bullets full of, it was like holy water.
Like, holy water.
Clove, garlic.
Just like things that like, ordoth.
Hope salt was in there.
Yeah.
And like, they think they kill it and then after like that incident, he has a stuck in his
arm.
Hellboy.
He goes out and goes for his love interests of Liz.
Mm-hmm.
Selma Blair.
Yes.
And if you listen to our previous episode, we discuss that with Hellboy and Liz in the comics
that was not a romance that was realized prior to the movie.
But I like it.
Yeah.
During the movie, it was like, that's when their love was realized.
Their connection was real.
It makes him even more human.
Like, I love the reverence for his father, but there's something about how he views her that
makes him even more of, he makes him more relatable.
What I find interesting between the two of them is that they act as if they are not the
right person for each other because whenever they are together, they experience so much
pain and they think that they are the cause of that pain when in actuality, it's everything
else around them.
Right.
And then, for whatever reason, John Myers is like, I like a girl too.
That does, like, upon, I guess, second viewing seem so, but I think it's a bit of a different
view than the first one.
I think it's a bit of a different view than the first one.
That does, like, upon, I guess, second viewing seem so out of left field, but also so rude.
Yes.
Incredibly rude.
I think had Liz been the one to pursue John to be like, I want to be normal in part of society.
Right.
That would make sense, but in the case where John is the one who's like trying to do like
the arm stretch move around her shoulder, like, no man, no, no, no, no.
He does something towards the end, too.
I can't remember what it was, but I remember you and I both being like, no man, leave her
alone.
You don't know that you should not.
You don't flirt with your best friend's girl.
Yeah, especially like you just got hired.
Helboe is definitely not like you.
You're supposed to be building trust, not breaking it.
Through a series of incidents, Ross Putin is back with his girl, blondie, laid by video
Hudson, a 2003, Gwendolyn Christy.
So the boys are back in town.
The monster was like just the beginning turns out these predator like creatures, the baby
could lose.
Yeah.
Teenage tiny dress aeratops, shaped with the loose.
They're multiplying their lay and eggs all over the inhale, boy, arm.
Yeah.
Like anywhere that they can just like any like hospital, hospital, hospital, hospital,
hospital.
Hospital is 100% a real word.
They like a warm, what do these say?
They said warm, they said a warm dark place.
They're very sensitive to eat, light.
They need a human dark environment to breed.
Apparently, Helboe's the interior of Helboe's arm.
That's the same as like any egg anyway, but like the features are the results.
But they seem to be the henchmen of like Ross Putin and blondie.
And then you have Sandman swords is also like the puppet of Ross.
I kept calling him Frankenstein's monster because he has all this like stitching all over
his body.
And he has a key that he can win for a heart.
Yeah.
There's a moment in there where like he kills off like one of the main bodyguards, one
of the main spies like the old person.
But he yeah, he kills off clay, the guy with the hair plugs.
And I thought this was such a clever move to be like to get on the inside where he's going
to act like he's dead.
So he like, if I ever had a chance to have a conversation with Del Toro, I now know the
number one question I would ask him.
How does that body operate?
Because it is in the position of a heart.
And it twists as and like he does it previous times where it's almost like it's giving
him energy.
Or taking away his energy.
Yeah.
But then it gets removed from his body.
And I'm like, okay.
How do you come back to life if the key gone?
Well, there were maybe that's the thing that gives him the ability to fight.
There was something that John hurt brought up when the creature was coming down stairs and
he realizes like, oh, that's not just an assassin.
That's the puppet.
And then Ross Putin just like appears out of nowhere.
He really does.
So maybe he like willed him into life and be like, hey, put yourself together.
I'm gonna make you to like keep doing more killing and whatnot.
Yeah.
I'll leave it to magic.
Yeah.
Sandman is put together.
We get to see Sandman like outside of the is that his name?
No.
Because you keep saying like, you notice Sam it's really Samuel.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
So Samuel is the Sam.
I'm gonna say.
Yeah, keep calling him.
This was like, I didn't notice a lot of the sand until you pointed it out.
So I'm wondering how many other people did and then you keep saying Sandman and I'm like,
what if people are very confused by Sandman?
So I just wanted to clarify.
Samuel, he is ordered to kill John hurt's character, Brum, which is a very other.
Father.
Yeah.
Like, sad moment like how boy is we were very reverent, but it is either at this moment where
just like, how shit we got to like continue doing the work because Brum had figured out
like where they're supposed to go.
Right.
Somewhere in Moscow to number 16 and some kind of tune and the like that's where we're gonna
go.
Also, we never mentioned this before, but we have Jeffrey.
Tamar.
Tamar, yeah.
He is the who will mayor.
He is like the bureaucrat.
He's the team leader.
He's supposed to act as like the head of the FBI or the CIA.
He's the head of their little division.
Yeah.
He's the head of it, but like he like when we saw him on was a J Leno or something, he was
like on some sort of talk show like trying to like tell everyone held voices.
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, at the beginning.
So he's the one who's like protecting the bureau trying to give you secrets, something
like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but he comes into the bureau as like this hothead of just like I'm in charge.
Stop doing things without my approval and we will go the way that I want to go.
Yeah.
And hellboys is like, fuck you.
I'm gonna do whatever I want.
So, yeah.
Hellboys, like, have you seen my hand?
Yeah.
Can you do what my hand does?
Yeah.
So all of them leave for Moscow leaving behind Abe Sapien.
That was actually the first time that I had noticed that Abe Sapien was not in the third
act of the movie just how do you not notice?
I'm like, I, and maybe it's because I just love Doug Jones.
And I know he got injured in the, but he's floating in his tank.
He seems fine.
Yeah, like hellboy got injured and he's still going.
Well, hellboys different.
Yeah.
He takes a beating all the time.
Anyway, so we took out Abe Sapien, but he is replaced with Liz.
He's back in the picture and she's part of the team to help take down Rosbootans.
Budget for film days.
They go to this tomb, well, it's a part of the...
It's Rosbyans tomb.
Yeah.
They ask the dead guy to specifically show them where to go.
They take out the dead guy.
You never got to hear what he actually said.
No, because the subtitles weren't working.
It's fine.
I made it up.
The subtitles weren't working and they really would have helped out because they'd
help me out when I first saw what I watched it for the first time.
They find the tomb.
They go in there, they go through a labyrinth of traps and whatnot.
You still have Jeffrey Tambor just being like, "I'm in charge."
And then something bad happens when he's like...
Now that I think about it, that is all in someone's like mausoleum.
Yeah.
That big old castle thing.
You think a pyramid is too much for an Egyptian king or something like that.
And you're just like, "Oh no, this guy made a labyrinth."
Escape room.
Yeah.
Indiana Jones level trap.
And could it...
Latch can only be used one time.
You really only need to use it once though, right?
How many times...
Yeah.
I mean...
He can walk through it as many times as he wants because he knows where to step and what
to do.
It's for protection.
Maybe the guy that they picked up, he was like the architect of it.
So they go through, they find like the henchmen like predator creatures and whatnot and
some of Blair bursts into her blue flame and like kills them all.
Well, because Hellboy gets hurt and so he's down for the count and she's got to save the
day.
Got to save the day.
We cut to a scene where all of them have been like drained of their energy, Hellboy is
injured.
Some of Blair can't...
Unconscious?
For some reason, maybe her power...
She overpowered herself.
They are captured by Rasputin.
Rasputin is like...
She's like...
I'm a taker soul unless you use your arm which is a key to unlock like the tentacle creature
from the moon.
Yeah, this marble slab with two keyholes.
Yep.
And then he's like, "All right, I'll do it."
And then he like...
Not to save her soul because he takes her soul.
He breathes something out of her.
And he's like, "Okay, final trade or something like that."
Basically it's to save her.
And he's like, he puts it into the one keyhole.
Is it turns the moon like blood red and like darkens it in the cartridge of like this?
Yeah, and it's like, "Oh."
And then like this is definitely where the lovecraft influence comes in because like it
is a large tentacly monster just like an emerging from the sky.
It's check-ops monster.
I just realized...
There's always a check-ops monster because you see the eyeball at the beginning.
There it is.
Yeah.
And Hellboy stops halfway through the whole ceremony and is like, "Nope."
I remember who I am.
Yeah, he kills Ross Spoon and in doing so, the bohemeth emerges from his chest and turns
into this like large tentacly monster.
How big could it be?
They think they're done with everything so it's like Liz, Hellboy and...
Who's still like, Liz is like barely conscious?
She's not, barely alive.
They go off down tunnel and then they're just like, "Oh shit, we should really like take
care of that thing."
And Hellboy is like, "All right, well just like give me the belt of grenades."
He goes in there.
Is that it?
Forget it.
Yep.
And then he's like, fights him off and he basically like pulls a Hercules where he gets
swallowed by the monster and destroys it from the inside.
Cause fireproof.
Yeah.
So, so, like me and go off and he's fine.
Yep.
Hellboy comes back down the hallway.
And then he's like, "Liz is dead and he's like, no she is."
She has no heartbeat.
And then she, what was it?
Hellboy, whispers into her ear pad.
A long paragraph of things.
And they didn't leave it like they did with loss and translation where it's like, we should
just keep the whisper of the whisper.
They're like, "Okay."
Kind of feels like a producer note to be like, "We should have heard what he said."
And they're like, "I wonder if that's a producer note or if that's something straight
from the comics."
It might be.
There had to be a reason that was in there.
I don't know why, but...
It felt redundant.
I would be okay with like him whispering because I mean, he's a magical being.
He's a magical beast.
Yeah.
I mean, his whole, cause what is he?
Oh, no, I need to remember what he whispered.
He's a sense of...
But it was something along the lines of like...
If you don't let go of her, I will cross over and make you or something like that.
And well, you don't want me to cross.
It was like a very big threat.
I'm like, "I love her.
Do this and I will come get you."
What did you say?
I said, "Hey, you on the other side.
Let her go because for her, I'll cross over."
And then you'll be sorry.
Yeah, and they're like, "Whatever you are, you defeated the behemoth monster.
Like I'm not human."
And death or fate or whatever was like, "Yep, nope, take her."
Yeah, this is like...
She chores.
No, that was just hungry for a snack and like, "Yeah, you don't do it, don't do it."
This is just my job.
Here you go.
No, threats are not needed.
She bursts into a blue flame, they kiss each other, John is unscathed.
He also has a moment, I mean, he just step back and like sees that like their love is eternal.
And then he's like, "Maybe, maybe shouldn't have done that."
I did enjoy that.
After all of his shenanigans and rudeness towards his like new friend who he needs to work
with to have a moment be like, "Shit, that one does not."
Right, but at this point you don't know.
So like to make this story come full circle...
Yeah, this is like his first assignment.
Yeah, it is your first assignment and you are very rude and hit an on your new friend's
girl and to have them like, "I needed that moment as an audience member to go, are you
ever going to learn that this is not okay, you're going to learn that this is not okay?"
Then cuts the credits.
The DP's name is also K-R-M.
He's also K-R-M.
Tell me at least like one thing that you really loved about it.
Slambleble.
I don't know if it's because of the cruel intentions kid in me.
I think her acting choices are always really interesting.
And there's something about her pacing in this sort of matches his.
I like that their love story does not feel saccharine.
It does not feel like a love story.
But if you want to look at a good relationship, you want to find complementary parts.
And because they almost complement each other so much they don't even know, there's something
that you want to root for them because you don't see what we see.
And I think a lot of that because she really is the one who he's pining for but she's got
a feed into it in the right way.
So I think it's nice.
One thing that I really loved about the story in particular, because there's like so
many little moments along the way or like the creatures or even all of some of the props,
like the big gun.
Like those are fun to see.
But I think the one thing that I really appreciate about this story was how they treated
Hellboy as like a blue collar worker.
The way he did that, he just like he would go home.
He just relax on the couch, want to be around his cats.
He has big balls of children.
Like he acts like a blue collar worker and then he's like, alright, I gotta go out.
You my job.
He works third drift.
Yeah, and just like it just to him, this is just another day where he's just like taking
care of evil spirits and whatnot.
He doesn't feel like he's better or greater than anyone else, but he feels that he is the
only one that can accomplish this specific type of thing.
It's a very human story at its core.
Yes.
Okay, so if those are the things we love, is there anything you hated about it?
What did I hate about the movie?
I was one, Myers, pining after Liz.
Yeah.
I think that was the one thing and we mentioned it before.
It just like it didn't feel necessary.
It seemed out of character for multiple reasons.
Yeah.
Like you established so much of Hellboy going after Liz, wanting Liz, stalking him.
And talking to him about it.
Yeah, and it just seemed out of left feel to be like, I'm gonna go after Liz.
This is my only option.
Yeah.
So I think that's one thing I really hated about this movie.
I mean, that's fair.
There are like little things and we could have been commentating, which is why I missed
it and because it is only my second viewing, I think there were like loose moments that
I was like, wait, what?
But then I think my bigger gripe is that the agents were just sort of bumbling for other
things that are so tight.
And like, oh, we can't let Hellboy be out in the streets because, you know, we have to
keep him locked up.
And I'm like, not one of these jokers could put him like if he said I don't want to be here,
not one of you was stopping him.
Yeah, it also not a one.
It seemed kind of inconsistent as to when Hellboy should be locked up because he's behind
this like heavily guarded thick vault door.
And then there are other scenes where he's just like walking about the lab unsupervised,
kind of doing whatever he wants, nearly like he threatens the head of their organization.
And he's like, that's Hellboy.
He's just doing his thing.
There's the moment when Abe Sapien is in like the water tank trying to get the eggs and
the guy has the gun, basically the gun instructions on the side.
And it's like wait for it, wait for it, now shoot like the little like thing lights up,
which to me very much like that took me out because I was like, everything is very artsy
and beautiful.
And then this feels like an acme gun.
And then he's like, oh, I got the big gun or says something along that line.
And then immediately gets taken out.
And I'm like, this is the best of our best.
This is the one who's supposed to be helping.
And they don't like they also don't communicate with Hellboy.
The fact that Abe Sapien is like, hey, I need help.
And we don't immediately call Hellboy back.
I get why we don't for story sake.
But I'm like, this is a little suspect.
It's a little sus.
Yeah.
I think yeah, they weren't my favorite.
I feel like they're almost borderline than necessary.
Like unless Hellboy is like wreaking havoc on the town, I don't see the point of them.
Yeah.
In this, and I think we mentioned some of this before, but what were some of the things,
because we were talking about at the mountains of madness, what were some of the things
that were in this movie, yeah, that we saw with a related, I mean, I can say tentacles.
It's tentacles so much obvious.
The cold was a big one.
I even think I was like, ah, what in the mountains?
Yeah, just like you're already in the winter, you're, yeah.
But there were almost like dialogue.
It's like they took the atmounds of the madness script, changed the dialogue, and then we're
like, this is this character, because there's the one guy who has basically like the, in
atmounds of the madness says, say your prayers, no one's listening.
Yeah.
And there is a scene that is very similar.
Yeah, there's an underlying tone of the Catholic religion.
Yeah, there's that tone of the--
There's the, the big cross.
Yeah, right in the beginning.
I know that in my snops, I kind of avoided so much more that was actually in the script,
but there is one particular character who is just very religious, prays over the whole
crew, and there's a moment at the end where he's like praying to his god, and then you have
the show goth who comes in and be like, pray to your god, because no one is listening.
And just, ah, just--
Yeah, the last line of atmounds of like the, like looks like a man.
Walks like a man, but isn't a man.
That sort of kept in my mind too of like, hell boy walks like a man.
Mm-hmm.
A long-slee man, but he's not.
But he's also like not the bad guy.
Yeah.
But then if you look at Ross Buton, it's the same thing.
So there is the, I don't know, that quote really stuck with me.
I think even just like seeing the runes and like that kind of thing, toneally, they're
very similar.
Yeah.
And then lastly, do you recommend this movie?
I would need it recommended to me.
Like it is not a movie that I would go out of my way to watch.
I tend to enjoy Del Toro's stuff for the spooky factor.
So like I've never seen his version of Pinocchio, and I've heard it's beautiful and great.
So like it's on my list of things to do.
But yeah, I would need it recommended to me.
I don't know that my brain would gravitate towards it, which is sad, because it's a good
movie.
I think now outside of like the scenes that were clearly like a puppet or a man in a
suit, the CG is a little dated.
So I would give a precursor.
But yeah, I mean, I would say if someone asked me about it, I don't know that I would put
it on my Insta Recommend list.
Yeah.
Would you recommend it?
So my camera's right here.
Hell yeah.
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.
What wasn't?
There's another camera.
Whoa.
Okay.
Maybe just this one.
Just that one.
Hell yeah.
Okay.
He said hell yeah.
Of course.
This is one of Guillermo Dottoro's early films, but what I find interesting, I don't know
if you ever listen to the show, Blink Check, the podcast Blink Check.
No, I've seen the Disney Channel original movie though.
Blink Check, the premise of the show is-
Do they get a Blink Check?
Do they buy a castle with it?
The premise of the show is they go over the discography of a director like-
Oh, that's fun.
But they will hone in and focus primarily on like what is the movie where the studio is
just like, yeah, put all the eggs in our basket.
Oh, where does the director get the Blink Check?
Yeah.
And like what is the movie where they can just go nuts and wild and what?
Interesting.
And you think it's this one for him?
I don't believe it is this one.
What does it say?
This is one of the first ones that does so because so he had done Chrono's Mimmy and-
He did the devil's backbone?
The devil's backbone if you remember, that was the movie that like nearly made him quit.
He came back to the States and they allowed him to do Blade 2 and they're just like, all
right, let's just let this guy loose.
And Hellboy was like one of the first movies where they just like let him go and they really
trusted him with the material.
Yeah, because he goes from Hellboy to Pan's Labyrinth.
Yeah, and it's just really great to see him-
That's where he got the Blink Check, so sorry, I couldn't mean to interrupt.
That's where I feel like he was able to really let loose, do the movie that he wanted to do,
give in a budget that allowed him to make that happen.
And it's really interesting to see what he was able to do in his early career that we now
see put into the other movies like we were talking about Apes Abyen and how much of that
related to shape of water.
Just from glancing at his credits.
When you look at them, they are very, I guess, spooky or horror feeling.
And then you get to Blade 2, which I haven't seen in forever, but the vampire.
And then Hellboy does seem like the first artistic moment he got to have, but it seems like
that's where they were like, okay man, show us what you can do.
And he did and then they were like, oh, well then here, make Pan's Labyrinth.
Yes, yeah, definitely recommend that movie.
Yeah, I guess at the end of the day, anything he does I would recommend or just to see if
you are into film like we were using earlier with the Tarantino, like he is part of a film
class.
So therefore you should see it.
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Sure.
I do think it'd be fun to talk about things that we've recently seen.
Do a real quick review.
Okay.
It's not like what made us happy this week, but we did both go see heretic.
Yes.
I learned a lot about monopoly.
And that's the review.
But yeah, that's what I knew.
Okay, actually, I didn't know that we could review it so quick and so concisely.
But yeah, heretic, go see it.
You'll learn how to play monopoly.
Or you'll learn about monopoly.
If you have religious trauma, this is the movie for you.
Monopoly.
Yay.
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Bye-bye.
Bye-bye now.
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