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Hello and welcome to How Did This Not Get Made This is the podcast all about the movies

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that were never filmed, the scripts that were never written, and the ideas that I never made

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it to the page.

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My name is Daniel Kawka and I'm Lexcee Riley.

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This is about a movie that actually did get made.

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Yeah, we're watching it, we'll be watching it.

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So this is going to be the first of many episodes that we're doing on movie reviews.

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This is going to be an interim of sorts.

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This is going to be a little different from how we usually do our episodes.

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Usually our episodes are a lot more researched.

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This one is not researched.

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This one we fly by the seat of our pants the whole time.

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Now the idea that I came up with to do these movie review podcasts is because oftentimes

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when we're doing research we have movies that we have each other watch.

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I know when I was doing the show with David I would have him do required watching as well.

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Required?

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Required watching.

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Required reading.

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You must do this.

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Yeah, and the idea behind watching some of these movies is that you start to get sprinkles

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of the idea of the unmade movie kind of put into a different film or it gives you a better

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perspective on the research that you're presenting so that you have kind of a base idea of like

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how to approach this subject, especially if you're going in cold you're hearing the research

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for the first time.

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And I figured that instead of keeping that behind the scenes I wanted to make it part

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of the show and it's not going to be just a straight movie review podcast because there

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are plenty of those that we might just throw it in from time to time.

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Yes, but it is going to start sounding like that from our opinions but one thing that I

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wanted to put into here is how does it relate to the research?

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It's an educational opinionated.

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It's a much more guided opinion.

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We are film nerds and it's nice to be able to make the correlation.

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So the first episode that we're doing, the first movie that we reviewed relates to Guillermo

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Datoros at the mountains of madness and in order to cover this movie, what movie did I have you

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watch?

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Hellboy!

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There are things that go bump in the night, Agent Myers.

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And we are the ones who bump back.

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Hellboy.

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Had I had the hindsight to actually-

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2020, I've heard it's 2020.

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Had I, well, we don't want to mention 2020 again.

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Maybe the 2024.

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That doesn't work either.

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Had I had the foresight to actually know that we were going to make this into its own show,

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its own segment.

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It would have been interesting to see this for your first time.

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We can do that moving forward.

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We're going to be doing that moving forward but we were able to watch the movie together.

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That's kind of fun.

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It was great.

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I liked it.

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We're going to watch us watch it.

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It's part of our Patreon though.

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It is part of our Patreon.

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We are hopefully going to move forward with not only will we be able to watch the video,

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but hopefully in the future we'll be able to actually do a live watch party with our Patreon

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members and-

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So you can join in too?

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We were able to record ourselves, do our live reactions to the film and we're going to

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talk about that now.

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I mean, I think the more important thing of why we're doing this is how it relates, right?

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So how does Hellboy relate to @mountainsabatness?

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@mountainsabatness when Garamon Zotoro was working on it, he was developing the screenplay

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for it.

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He was at the same time working on Hellboy.

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He was in production of Hellboy and was hoping to create @mountainsabatness after Hellboy.

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And how I feel like it relates to the researches.

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Well, one, you have the common denominator, which is a little Toro, but-

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Tannacles.

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more recognizable today, viewing the movie through that lens, you can definitely tell so

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much of the influence that came from @mountainsabatness was put into Hellboy as kind of a proof of concept.

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I will say during the watch party, I had to Google if Tannacles and the creature was even part

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influence upon an influence upon an influence.

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because it seemed now the artwork that you were able to pull up, it seems to have been-

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It's part of it, it seems just fits so well together, and I think just because so many people

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have that image of Hellboy with the behemoth at the end of the movie, like associate Hellboy

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with large tentically demon monsters.

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I believe that Doug Jones, he would have been one of the-

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Interesting to be the Priest guy.

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No, I don't think he would have been the Priest guy.

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He would have been Gunnerson.

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Gunnerson blends to me.

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I can never quite remember which one he is.

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Gunnerson, he was one that got infected, but he is the kind of the surrogate, the avatar

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that the show got to keep on using-

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To infiltrate the crew.

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Is he one of the last ones standing?

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He was one of the first ones that was taken out, but he was-

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That's what I thought, and that's why personally I would like Doug Jones to be the Priest

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guy because he last longer, and that is it.

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Although you could have done so much with Doug Jones, just him being Gunnerson, because

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Gunnerson is all throughout the movie.

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to move, like, unlike a human or like someone who-

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He's got the body movement that you can see in-

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Apes Apeans.

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Which in that Apes Apean is paired off with Hellboy being portrayed by-

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Ron Proman.

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Ron Proman.

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Lawson.

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Yes, is Lawson.

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Pacasol.

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The character who is made up in the At the Mountain, so Madness script to kind of be the just

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all around badass.

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Having those tethers, you can sort of almost see the casting even-

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Between the two, like utilizing Ron Proman, Doug Jones.

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And then someone blurs the- the wife that's left behind.

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Like I guess she would make it to the screen, but I'm like, I feel like she'd be left on

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the cutting room floor.

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So early, not sound the blayer, but just that character.

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That character was just like-

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That character was just like-

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Or sweet wife that was like, don't do it.

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And then he goes and does it.

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And he's like, I'm gonna have a baby.

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And die.

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And then die.

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No one even can say I told you so.

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She dead.

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So lots of similarities, lots of similar people involved.

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What is your history with this movie?

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With Hellboy in particular, I remember seeing it when I was in high school.

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And the reason why I had watched it is because it was the trailer for that film always played

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before the DVD for one spot in the time of Mexico.

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That is dating us.

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So hardcore.

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Remember back in my day, there were trailers before the DVD started.

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And I at the time was a- and still am a Rob Rodriguez fanboy.

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What?

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And I would watch that movie constantly and part of my reason for loving that movie and

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in particular watching that DVD is not just the movie but the behind the scenes and how

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Rob Rodriguez kind of approached filmmaking with it.

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It wasn't just about like the pure art of it or like expressing yourself.

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He's just like, it's fun.

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I make movies.

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Making movies is fun, man.

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Have some fun with it.

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So why not?

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I don't know if he curated the previews that are on there but yeah one of the trailers

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on there was Hellboy.

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And I always remember the line that was from the movie that I know that you brought up when

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you first saw you actually texted me was there are such things as things like a bump in

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the next day and we bumped back.

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That line was in the trailer and it really stuck with me and because of that I had watched

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it in high school.

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And then later on in life I had gotten a Guillermo Dutoro obsession back in like 2016.

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So yeah I had gotten in obsession with watching his movies.

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I was going through his photography and naturally like what came up was Hellboy and Hellboy

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II the Golden Army.

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And I just like when I attempt number two at Mountsman's Hellboy Boo Glue.

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Although I will in the reason why I never had you watch Hellboy II is because if you're

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so far away right at the end of the way I think part of it was that Guillermo Dutoro was

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so gung ho on making this movie that he didn't want to put it in Hellboy II to be like okay

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we're done with the proof of concept we're just like I'm hanging on to this for this one

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movie nothing for you.

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I know that with Hellboy you had watched this for the first time.

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I knew of it.

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I guess more generally what I want to know is what was your history with Guillermo Dutoro

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and then what it was your first reaction to Hellboy.

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Okay so I have to go back to also college trying to think of the first one I saw.

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I think it might be the orphanage which I keep calling the orphan and that's not those

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two very very different movies.

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The orphanage was one of those movies that stuck with me.

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That is Guillermo Dutoro right?

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Because if not it's the don't be afraid of the dark or whatever.

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Does he help to produce it I guess?

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Yeah he helps produce the film so his name might be on there as a producer.

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So that was my technically still correct then was my first sort of foray into the name

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anyway and I really enjoyed that movie a lot.

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I haven't seen that movie in a long time but then don't be afraid of the dark I think

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with Katie Holmes is the next one that I know was him.

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Now I need to like look up a del Toro.

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I'm just gonna pick the ones he produced that he didn't know way really all of my del Toro

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knowledge is just terrible.

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Yeah don't be afraid of the dark.

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He helped with the screenplay but he did.

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Damn.

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So okay apparently I know del Toro is producing very well so now I'm going to keep his list

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of credits in front of me and decide what.

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So guess Pam Labyrinth is going to be the big one.

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That's not my favorite one though.

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Shape of Water is my favorite.

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I think Shape of Water sealed the deal for me.

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Yeah and we saw that.

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We did.

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I forget if we saw it in theaters or if that was a-

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That's 2017.

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That was 2017.

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So we 100% maybe that's before the a-list years.

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We're not sponsored by them but maybe sponsored by them.

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A-list.

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I guess in my head because there's a specific look to the orphanage and to don't be afraid

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of the dark but now that I'm thinking about them they're not that far off from his

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sort of look of things.

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I guess heavy production influence but I liked that those things were artistic and I

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love that Pam's lab runth was artistic.

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I think by the time we got to Shape of Water I was like sure whatever he makes I will watch.

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So yeah I guess found producing influence first and then fell for direction.

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Also everybody also loved like around me really loved him.

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Yeah it's definitely one of those directors that if you go to film school it's always a

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Stanley Kubrick.

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He's the modern right he's the modern day.

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George Lucas sort of equivalent.

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He also has his own niche.

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Terrentino I feel like is like the blood the quick cuts like you know.

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We're talking.

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School that it got annoying.

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I'm like some of these lines man like I think I even said like only Ron Brillman can

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say those.

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It's definitely a trope that I think when Guillermo del Toro was growing up especially like

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in the 80s you had those.

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Yes.

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The buddy cop movies.

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You can see the 80s influence on it.

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Or like any action movie in the 80s.

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Like Arnold Schwarzenegger was all about the quips.

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Right.

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And I think like writing wise he's decent but I think the visuals of him are the thing

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that really draw me in like you were saying Robber Rodriguez is like oh I want to make

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a fun movie like I just want to have fun.

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I almost feel like Del Toro is the opposite.

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He's like I will make this artistic masterpiece frame but every frame is a painting every

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every frame is really gorgeous and the colors are very rich.

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And I feel like sometimes I could watch his movies on mute.

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Not because I don't think the scripts great because I truly do love shape of water but

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because I just want to like study the art of the shots.

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This I don't think we really need to cover so much just because it's such a well-known

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movie and such a well-regarded movie but this is going to be something that's kind of

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there for the future but the plot of the film if you have never seen Hellboy before what

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happens in Hellboy.

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Oh.

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I've seen the young John Hurt young Dr. Broom and we witness like the evil Nazis like completing

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whatever task they were trying to do.

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The Ross Beauty Nazi which now that I'm saying how wow.

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Is his character name really Ross Beauty?

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Totally is.

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Gregorio Ross Beauty.

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Not like Ross Beauty Ross Beauty.

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And they're there to witness it.

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They thwart the efforts and in doing so a kind of a anti-Christ character is born.

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That's what we get.

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Oh Hellboy.

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Hellbaby.

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Big red.

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Little red.

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Who loves a baby Ruth.

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Yeah.

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It's a boy.

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It's just a baby boy.

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Broom takes him in, raises this creature like his own and we are.

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He calls him father.

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The one thing that I really love about is like he is a big creature like Hellboy is like

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a big strong creature and the only time that he feels reserved when he is around Broom to

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be like, oh I can't like misbehave around that.

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Like there's a moment where he's.

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There is a reverence for a father.

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Yeah.

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Like there's a moment where he has a cigar and like he's supposed to be like bad ass with

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the cigar and then like he sees his father from like not talking to him for a while.

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Right.

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And he's like he just puts it behind his back to be like, I'm not.

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Nope.

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You saw nothing.

302
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Yeah.

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I always thought that was interesting.

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So there's that we have introduced to a.

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We cut to a present day or we cut to time forward and time.

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Yeah.

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We have a new character who seems like a new spy agent.

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John Myers played by Robert Evans.

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He joins their bureau of.

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He goes to the way the beautiful waste management building.

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Yes.

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And joins the secret.

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They don't have like a, there's no team name.

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No, they're because the idea is that they're not supposed to be known.

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So he joins a new team.

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He's supposed to be the new assistant to Hellboy and we bloody.

317
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Yeah.

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And we follow Hellboy and his team.

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There's a sapien played by the Jones.

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Yeah.

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The water creature basically the shape of water.

322
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Yeah.

323
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You know, it's real.

324
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Yeah.

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Like, yes, very shape of water creature.

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But he senses through his hands.

327
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Tens of the things.

328
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Yes.

329
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He doesn't do that specifically.

330
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But like we're doing the pan's labyrinth for those of you that aren't watching.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Yeah, it's an interesting correlation that I literally just made while we're talking about

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it.

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So he is joining the team.

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They go out and they like, they sent something going.

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They sent evil.

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Evil.

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They go out and check on that evil.

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They try to, well, they think they defeat it.

340
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Right.

341
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Because they're just like, oh, it's just like kind of like a men in black situation.

342
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With his bullets full of, it was like holy water.

343
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Like, holy water.

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Clove, garlic.

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Just like things that like, ordoth.

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Hope salt was in there.

347
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Yeah.

348
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And like, they think they kill it and then after like that incident, he has a stuck in his

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arm.

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Hellboy.

351
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He goes out and goes for his love interests of Liz.

352
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Mm-hmm.

353
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Selma Blair.

354
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Yes.

355
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And if you listen to our previous episode, we discuss that with Hellboy and Liz in the comics

356
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that was not a romance that was realized prior to the movie.

357
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But I like it.

358
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Yeah.

359
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During the movie, it was like, that's when their love was realized.

360
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Their connection was real.

361
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It makes him even more human.

362
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Like, I love the reverence for his father, but there's something about how he views her that

363
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makes him even more of, he makes him more relatable.

364
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What I find interesting between the two of them is that they act as if they are not the

365
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right person for each other because whenever they are together, they experience so much

366
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pain and they think that they are the cause of that pain when in actuality, it's everything

367
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else around them.

368
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Right.

369
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And then, for whatever reason, John Myers is like, I like a girl too.

370
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That does, like, upon, I guess, second viewing seem so, but I think it's a bit of a different

371
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view than the first one.

372
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I think it's a bit of a different view than the first one.

373
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I think it's a bit of a different view than the first one.

374
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:13,760
That does, like, upon, I guess, second viewing seem so out of left field, but also so rude.

375
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Yes.

376
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Incredibly rude.

377
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I think had Liz been the one to pursue John to be like, I want to be normal in part of society.

378
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Right.

379
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That would make sense, but in the case where John is the one who's like trying to do like

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the arm stretch move around her shoulder, like, no man, no, no, no, no.

381
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He does something towards the end, too.

382
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I can't remember what it was, but I remember you and I both being like, no man, leave her

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alone.

384
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You don't know that you should not.

385
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You don't flirt with your best friend's girl.

386
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,120
Yeah, especially like you just got hired.

387
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,760
Helboe is definitely not like you.

388
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You're supposed to be building trust, not breaking it.

389
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Through a series of incidents, Ross Putin is back with his girl, blondie, laid by video

390
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Hudson, a 2003, Gwendolyn Christy.

391
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So the boys are back in town.

392
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The monster was like just the beginning turns out these predator like creatures, the baby

393
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could lose.

394
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Yeah.

395
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Teenage tiny dress aeratops, shaped with the loose.

396
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They're multiplying their lay and eggs all over the inhale, boy, arm.

397
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Yeah.

398
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Like anywhere that they can just like any like hospital, hospital, hospital, hospital,

399
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hospital.

400
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Hospital is 100% a real word.

401
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,360
They like a warm, what do these say?

402
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,480
They said warm, they said a warm dark place.

403
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,320
They're very sensitive to eat, light.

404
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:51,840
They need a human dark environment to breed.

405
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,520
Apparently, Helboe's the interior of Helboe's arm.

406
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That's the same as like any egg anyway, but like the features are the results.

407
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:05,680
But they seem to be the henchmen of like Ross Putin and blondie.

408
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,040
And then you have Sandman swords is also like the puppet of Ross.

409
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I kept calling him Frankenstein's monster because he has all this like stitching all over

410
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his body.

411
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And he has a key that he can win for a heart.

412
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,960
Yeah.

413
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:26,600
There's a moment in there where like he kills off like one of the main bodyguards, one

414
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of the main spies like the old person.

415
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,080
But he yeah, he kills off clay, the guy with the hair plugs.

416
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And I thought this was such a clever move to be like to get on the inside where he's going

417
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to act like he's dead.

418
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So he like, if I ever had a chance to have a conversation with Del Toro, I now know the

419
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number one question I would ask him.

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How does that body operate?

421
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Because it is in the position of a heart.

422
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And it twists as and like he does it previous times where it's almost like it's giving

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him energy.

424
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Or taking away his energy.

425
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Yeah.

426
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800
But then it gets removed from his body.

427
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And I'm like, okay.

428
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,400
How do you come back to life if the key gone?

429
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,840
Well, there were maybe that's the thing that gives him the ability to fight.

430
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,080
There was something that John hurt brought up when the creature was coming down stairs and

431
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,440
he realizes like, oh, that's not just an assassin.

432
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That's the puppet.

433
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And then Ross Putin just like appears out of nowhere.

434
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He really does.

435
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,320
So maybe he like willed him into life and be like, hey, put yourself together.

436
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,400
I'm gonna make you to like keep doing more killing and whatnot.

437
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,400
Yeah.

438
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I'll leave it to magic.

439
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,400
Yeah.

440
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,400
Sandman is put together.

441
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,200
We get to see Sandman like outside of the is that his name?

442
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,200
No.

443
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,200
Because you keep saying like, you notice Sam it's really Samuel.

444
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,200
Yeah.

445
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,200
All right.

446
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,200
Yeah.

447
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,200
Yeah.

448
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,200
So Samuel is the Sam.

449
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,200
I'm gonna say.

450
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,200
Yeah, keep calling him.

451
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,440
This was like, I didn't notice a lot of the sand until you pointed it out.

452
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So I'm wondering how many other people did and then you keep saying Sandman and I'm like,

453
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what if people are very confused by Sandman?

454
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So I just wanted to clarify.

455
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Samuel, he is ordered to kill John hurt's character, Brum, which is a very other.

456
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Father.

457
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Yeah.

458
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,760
Like, sad moment like how boy is we were very reverent, but it is either at this moment where

459
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just like, how shit we got to like continue doing the work because Brum had figured out

460
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like where they're supposed to go.

461
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Right.

462
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Somewhere in Moscow to number 16 and some kind of tune and the like that's where we're gonna

463
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go.

464
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Also, we never mentioned this before, but we have Jeffrey.

465
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Tamar.

466
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Tamar, yeah.

467
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He is the who will mayor.

468
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,320
He is like the bureaucrat.

469
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,440
He's the team leader.

470
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,880
He's supposed to act as like the head of the FBI or the CIA.

471
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,400
He's the head of their little division.

472
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,400
Yeah.

473
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,920
He's the head of it, but like he like when we saw him on was a J Leno or something, he was

474
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like on some sort of talk show like trying to like tell everyone held voices.

475
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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, at the beginning.

476
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160
So he's the one who's like protecting the bureau trying to give you secrets, something

477
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,160
like that.

478
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

479
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,000
but he comes into the bureau as like this hothead of just like I'm in charge.

480
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,960
Stop doing things without my approval and we will go the way that I want to go.

481
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,960
Yeah.

482
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,960
And hellboys is like, fuck you.

483
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,960
I'm gonna do whatever I want.

484
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:30,960
So, yeah.

485
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,200
Hellboys, like, have you seen my hand?

486
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,200
Yeah.

487
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Can you do what my hand does?

488
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,000
Yeah.

489
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,480
So all of them leave for Moscow leaving behind Abe Sapien.

490
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,080
That was actually the first time that I had noticed that Abe Sapien was not in the third

491
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act of the movie just how do you not notice?

492
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,080
I'm like, I, and maybe it's because I just love Doug Jones.

493
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,840
And I know he got injured in the, but he's floating in his tank.

494
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,840
He seems fine.

495
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,680
Yeah, like hellboy got injured and he's still going.

496
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,680
Well, hellboys different.

497
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,680
Yeah.

498
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,480
He takes a beating all the time.

499
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Anyway, so we took out Abe Sapien, but he is replaced with Liz.

500
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,080
He's back in the picture and she's part of the team to help take down Rosbootans.

501
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Budget for film days.

502
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,680
They go to this tomb, well, it's a part of the...

503
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,680
It's Rosbyans tomb.

504
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,680
Yeah.

505
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,840
They ask the dead guy to specifically show them where to go.

506
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,200
They take out the dead guy.

507
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,760
You never got to hear what he actually said.

508
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560
No, because the subtitles weren't working.

509
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,560
It's fine.

510
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,560
I made it up.

511
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560
The subtitles weren't working and they really would have helped out because they'd

512
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,680
help me out when I first saw what I watched it for the first time.

513
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,920
They find the tomb.

514
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,440
They go in there, they go through a labyrinth of traps and whatnot.

515
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,040
You still have Jeffrey Tambor just being like, "I'm in charge."

516
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,560
And then something bad happens when he's like...

517
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,840
Now that I think about it, that is all in someone's like mausoleum.

518
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,840
Yeah.

519
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,480
That big old castle thing.

520
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,480
You think a pyramid is too much for an Egyptian king or something like that.

521
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,880
And you're just like, "Oh no, this guy made a labyrinth."

522
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Escape room.

523
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Yeah.

524
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Indiana Jones level trap.

525
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760
And could it...

526
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,560
Latch can only be used one time.

527
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560
You really only need to use it once though, right?

528
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,560
How many times...

529
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,560
Yeah.

530
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,560
I mean...

531
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960
He can walk through it as many times as he wants because he knows where to step and what

532
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960
to do.

533
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,960
It's for protection.

534
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,160
Maybe the guy that they picked up, he was like the architect of it.

535
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,440
So they go through, they find like the henchmen like predator creatures and whatnot and

536
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,120
some of Blair bursts into her blue flame and like kills them all.

537
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,920
Well, because Hellboy gets hurt and so he's down for the count and she's got to save the

538
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,920
day.

539
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Got to save the day.

540
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,200
We cut to a scene where all of them have been like drained of their energy, Hellboy is

541
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,200
injured.

542
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,200
Some of Blair can't...

543
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,200
Unconscious?

544
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,440
For some reason, maybe her power...

545
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,800
She overpowered herself.

546
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,640
They are captured by Rasputin.

547
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,640
Rasputin is like...

548
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,640
She's like...

549
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,840
I'm a taker soul unless you use your arm which is a key to unlock like the tentacle creature

550
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,840
from the moon.

551
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Yeah, this marble slab with two keyholes.

552
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Yep.

553
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400
And then he's like, "All right, I'll do it."

554
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,400
And then he like...

555
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Not to save her soul because he takes her soul.

556
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
He breathes something out of her.

557
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
And he's like, "Okay, final trade or something like that."

558
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Basically it's to save her.

559
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,720
And he's like, he puts it into the one keyhole.

560
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Is it turns the moon like blood red and like darkens it in the cartridge of like this?

561
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Yeah, and it's like, "Oh."

562
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:45,080
And then like this is definitely where the lovecraft influence comes in because like it

563
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:51,120
is a large tentacly monster just like an emerging from the sky.

564
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,440
It's check-ops monster.

565
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,440
I just realized...

566
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,920
There's always a check-ops monster because you see the eyeball at the beginning.

567
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,920
There it is.

568
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Yeah.

569
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:05,880
And Hellboy stops halfway through the whole ceremony and is like, "Nope."

570
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,080
I remember who I am.

571
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:16,400
Yeah, he kills Ross Spoon and in doing so, the bohemeth emerges from his chest and turns

572
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,640
into this like large tentacly monster.

573
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200
How big could it be?

574
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,680
They think they're done with everything so it's like Liz, Hellboy and...

575
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,680
Who's still like, Liz is like barely conscious?

576
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
She's not, barely alive.

577
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,360
They go off down tunnel and then they're just like, "Oh shit, we should really like take

578
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:36,360
care of that thing."

579
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,400
And Hellboy is like, "All right, well just like give me the belt of grenades."

580
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,400
He goes in there.

581
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Is that it?

582
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Forget it.

583
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,400
Yep.

584
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,600
And then he's like, fights him off and he basically like pulls a Hercules where he gets

585
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280
swallowed by the monster and destroys it from the inside.

586
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Cause fireproof.

587
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Yeah.

588
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,880
So, so, like me and go off and he's fine.

589
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Yep.

590
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Hellboy comes back down the hallway.

591
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,200
And then he's like, "Liz is dead and he's like, no she is."

592
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,520
She has no heartbeat.

593
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,520
And then she, what was it?

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,640
Hellboy, whispers into her ear pad.

595
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,080
A long paragraph of things.

596
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,280
And they didn't leave it like they did with loss and translation where it's like, we should

597
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,800
just keep the whisper of the whisper.

598
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,800
They're like, "Okay."

599
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,640
Kind of feels like a producer note to be like, "We should have heard what he said."

600
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,920
And they're like, "I wonder if that's a producer note or if that's something straight

601
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,920
from the comics."

602
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,920
It might be.

603
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,320
There had to be a reason that was in there.

604
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,800
I don't know why, but...

605
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,880
It felt redundant.

606
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:37,040
I would be okay with like him whispering because I mean, he's a magical being.

607
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,040
He's a magical beast.

608
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Yeah.

609
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,040
I mean, his whole, cause what is he?

610
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Oh, no, I need to remember what he whispered.

611
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,760
He's a sense of...

612
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,760
But it was something along the lines of like...

613
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,880
If you don't let go of her, I will cross over and make you or something like that.

614
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,880
And well, you don't want me to cross.

615
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,480
It was like a very big threat.

616
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,280
I'm like, "I love her.

617
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Do this and I will come get you."

618
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,720
What did you say?

619
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,640
I said, "Hey, you on the other side.

620
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:20,280
Let her go because for her, I'll cross over."

621
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:27,120
And then you'll be sorry.

622
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,720
Yeah, and they're like, "Whatever you are, you defeated the behemoth monster.

623
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Like I'm not human."

624
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,760
And death or fate or whatever was like, "Yep, nope, take her."

625
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Yeah, this is like...

626
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,760
She chores.

627
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,520
No, that was just hungry for a snack and like, "Yeah, you don't do it, don't do it."

628
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,200
This is just my job.

629
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,200
Here you go.

630
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,000
No, threats are not needed.

631
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,200
She bursts into a blue flame, they kiss each other, John is unscathed.

632
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,560
He also has a moment, I mean, he just step back and like sees that like their love is eternal.

633
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,720
And then he's like, "Maybe, maybe shouldn't have done that."

634
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,040
I did enjoy that.

635
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,880
After all of his shenanigans and rudeness towards his like new friend who he needs to work

636
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:13,040
with to have a moment be like, "Shit, that one does not."

637
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Right, but at this point you don't know.

638
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360
So like to make this story come full circle...

639
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,200
Yeah, this is like his first assignment.

640
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,540
Yeah, it is your first assignment and you are very rude and hit an on your new friend's

641
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:29,200
girl and to have them like, "I needed that moment as an audience member to go, are you

642
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120
ever going to learn that this is not okay, you're going to learn that this is not okay?"

643
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Then cuts the credits.

644
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,520
The DP's name is also K-R-M.

645
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,520
He's also K-R-M.

646
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Tell me at least like one thing that you really loved about it.

647
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Slambleble.

648
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Slambleble.

649
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,840
I don't know if it's because of the cruel intentions kid in me.

650
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320
I think her acting choices are always really interesting.

651
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,360
And there's something about her pacing in this sort of matches his.

652
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000
I like that their love story does not feel saccharine.

653
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,480
It does not feel like a love story.

654
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,360
But if you want to look at a good relationship, you want to find complementary parts.

655
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,720
And because they almost complement each other so much they don't even know, there's something

656
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,040
that you want to root for them because you don't see what we see.

657
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,720
And I think a lot of that because she really is the one who he's pining for but she's got

658
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,880
a feed into it in the right way.

659
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,760
So I think it's nice.

660
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,600
One thing that I really loved about the story in particular, because there's like so

661
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,120
many little moments along the way or like the creatures or even all of some of the props,

662
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,960
like the big gun.

663
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Like those are fun to see.

664
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,080
But I think the one thing that I really appreciate about this story was how they treated

665
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Hellboy as like a blue collar worker.

666
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
The way he did that, he just like he would go home.

667
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880
He just relax on the couch, want to be around his cats.

668
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,720
He has big balls of children.

669
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,440
Like he acts like a blue collar worker and then he's like, alright, I gotta go out.

670
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,440
You my job.

671
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,960
He works third drift.

672
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,640
Yeah, and just like it just to him, this is just another day where he's just like taking

673
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,240
care of evil spirits and whatnot.

674
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,120
He doesn't feel like he's better or greater than anyone else, but he feels that he is the

675
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,920
only one that can accomplish this specific type of thing.

676
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,120
It's a very human story at its core.

677
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Yes.

678
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Okay, so if those are the things we love, is there anything you hated about it?

679
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,640
What did I hate about the movie?

680
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,520
I was one, Myers, pining after Liz.

681
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520
Yeah.

682
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920
I think that was the one thing and we mentioned it before.

683
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,520
It just like it didn't feel necessary.

684
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,960
It seemed out of character for multiple reasons.

685
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,960
Yeah.

686
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Like you established so much of Hellboy going after Liz, wanting Liz, stalking him.

687
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320
And talking to him about it.

688
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,920
Yeah, and it just seemed out of left feel to be like, I'm gonna go after Liz.

689
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,360
This is my only option.

690
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Yeah.

691
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,680
So I think that's one thing I really hated about this movie.

692
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,000
I mean, that's fair.

693
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,320
There are like little things and we could have been commentating, which is why I missed

694
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,880
it and because it is only my second viewing, I think there were like loose moments that

695
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,880
I was like, wait, what?

696
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:27,080
But then I think my bigger gripe is that the agents were just sort of bumbling for other

697
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,400
things that are so tight.

698
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,040
And like, oh, we can't let Hellboy be out in the streets because, you know, we have to

699
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040
keep him locked up.

700
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,720
And I'm like, not one of these jokers could put him like if he said I don't want to be here,

701
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,120
not one of you was stopping him.

702
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,280
Yeah, it also not a one.

703
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,520
It seemed kind of inconsistent as to when Hellboy should be locked up because he's behind

704
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,120
this like heavily guarded thick vault door.

705
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,720
And then there are other scenes where he's just like walking about the lab unsupervised,

706
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:04,040
kind of doing whatever he wants, nearly like he threatens the head of their organization.

707
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,520
And he's like, that's Hellboy.

708
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,520
He's just doing his thing.

709
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,720
There's the moment when Abe Sapien is in like the water tank trying to get the eggs and

710
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:20,280
the guy has the gun, basically the gun instructions on the side.

711
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,520
And it's like wait for it, wait for it, now shoot like the little like thing lights up,

712
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,320
which to me very much like that took me out because I was like, everything is very artsy

713
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,320
and beautiful.

714
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,840
And then this feels like an acme gun.

715
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,600
And then he's like, oh, I got the big gun or says something along that line.

716
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,080
And then immediately gets taken out.

717
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,440
And I'm like, this is the best of our best.

718
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,120
This is the one who's supposed to be helping.

719
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,800
And they don't like they also don't communicate with Hellboy.

720
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,800
The fact that Abe Sapien is like, hey, I need help.

721
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,360
And we don't immediately call Hellboy back.

722
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
I get why we don't for story sake.

723
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
But I'm like, this is a little suspect.

724
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,600
It's a little sus.

725
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Yeah.

726
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,600
I think yeah, they weren't my favorite.

727
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,960
I feel like they're almost borderline than necessary.

728
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Like unless Hellboy is like wreaking havoc on the town, I don't see the point of them.

729
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,200
Yeah.

730
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
In this, and I think we mentioned some of this before, but what were some of the things,

731
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,720
because we were talking about at the mountains of madness, what were some of the things

732
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:21,960
that were in this movie, yeah, that we saw with a related, I mean, I can say tentacles.

733
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,240
It's tentacles so much obvious.

734
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,920
The cold was a big one.

735
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,640
I even think I was like, ah, what in the mountains?

736
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,880
Yeah, just like you're already in the winter, you're, yeah.

737
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,320
But there were almost like dialogue.

738
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,760
It's like they took the atmounds of the madness script, changed the dialogue, and then we're

739
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,860
like, this is this character, because there's the one guy who has basically like the, in

740
00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:46,360
atmounds of the madness says, say your prayers, no one's listening.

741
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,360
Yeah.

742
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480
And there is a scene that is very similar.

743
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,920
Yeah, there's an underlying tone of the Catholic religion.

744
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Yeah, there's that tone of the--

745
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,080
There's the, the big cross.

746
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,640
Yeah, right in the beginning.

747
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,760
I know that in my snops, I kind of avoided so much more that was actually in the script,

748
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,720
but there is one particular character who is just very religious, prays over the whole

749
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,560
crew, and there's a moment at the end where he's like praying to his god, and then you have

750
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,360
the show goth who comes in and be like, pray to your god, because no one is listening.

751
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,360
And just, ah, just--

752
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,840
Yeah, the last line of atmounds of like the, like looks like a man.

753
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,240
Walks like a man, but isn't a man.

754
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,680
That sort of kept in my mind too of like, hell boy walks like a man.

755
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,680
Mm-hmm.

756
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,440
A long-slee man, but he's not.

757
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,320
But he's also like not the bad guy.

758
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,320
Yeah.

759
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,080
But then if you look at Ross Buton, it's the same thing.

760
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,800
So there is the, I don't know, that quote really stuck with me.

761
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,000
I think even just like seeing the runes and like that kind of thing, toneally, they're

762
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
very similar.

763
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Yeah.

764
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
And then lastly, do you recommend this movie?

765
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,600
I would need it recommended to me.

766
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Like it is not a movie that I would go out of my way to watch.

767
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,440
I tend to enjoy Del Toro's stuff for the spooky factor.

768
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,120
So like I've never seen his version of Pinocchio, and I've heard it's beautiful and great.

769
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,080
So like it's on my list of things to do.

770
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,680
But yeah, I would need it recommended to me.

771
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,600
I don't know that my brain would gravitate towards it, which is sad, because it's a good

772
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,600
movie.

773
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,560
I think now outside of like the scenes that were clearly like a puppet or a man in a

774
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,960
suit, the CG is a little dated.

775
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,960
So I would give a precursor.

776
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,560
But yeah, I mean, I would say if someone asked me about it, I don't know that I would put

777
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,800
it on my Insta Recommend list.

778
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,800
Yeah.

779
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,800
Would you recommend it?

780
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,000
So my camera's right here.

781
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Hell yeah.

782
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,120
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.

783
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,120
What wasn't?

784
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,120
There's another camera.

785
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,120
There's another camera.

786
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,120
Whoa.

787
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,120
Okay.

788
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Maybe just this one.

789
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,120
Just that one.

790
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,120
Hell yeah.

791
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Okay.

792
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,120
He said hell yeah.

793
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Of course.

794
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,960
This is one of Guillermo Dottoro's early films, but what I find interesting, I don't know

795
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,560
if you ever listen to the show, Blink Check, the podcast Blink Check.

796
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,440
No, I've seen the Disney Channel original movie though.

797
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Blink Check, the premise of the show is-

798
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,840
Do they get a Blink Check?

799
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,720
Do they buy a castle with it?

800
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:16,720
The premise of the show is they go over the discography of a director like-

801
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,160
Oh, that's fun.

802
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:25,520
But they will hone in and focus primarily on like what is the movie where the studio is

803
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,560
just like, yeah, put all the eggs in our basket.

804
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Oh, where does the director get the Blink Check?

805
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Yeah.

806
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,920
And like what is the movie where they can just go nuts and wild and what?

807
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Interesting.

808
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,920
And you think it's this one for him?

809
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,320
I don't believe it is this one.

810
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,320
What does it say?

811
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,320
This is one of the first ones that does so because so he had done Chrono's Mimmy and-

812
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,640
He did the devil's backbone?

813
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,720
The devil's backbone if you remember, that was the movie that like nearly made him quit.

814
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:56,960
He came back to the States and they allowed him to do Blade 2 and they're just like, all

815
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,680
right, let's just let this guy loose.

816
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,520
And Hellboy was like one of the first movies where they just like let him go and they really

817
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,240
trusted him with the material.

818
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,200
Yeah, because he goes from Hellboy to Pan's Labyrinth.

819
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,240
Yeah, and it's just really great to see him-

820
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,160
That's where he got the Blink Check, so sorry, I couldn't mean to interrupt.

821
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:23,000
That's where I feel like he was able to really let loose, do the movie that he wanted to do,

822
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,080
give in a budget that allowed him to make that happen.

823
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:34,840
And it's really interesting to see what he was able to do in his early career that we now

824
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,080
see put into the other movies like we were talking about Apes Abyen and how much of that

825
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
related to shape of water.

826
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,600
Just from glancing at his credits.

827
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,720
When you look at them, they are very, I guess, spooky or horror feeling.

828
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:54,720
And then you get to Blade 2, which I haven't seen in forever, but the vampire.

829
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:01,240
And then Hellboy does seem like the first artistic moment he got to have, but it seems like

830
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,720
that's where they were like, okay man, show us what you can do.

831
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,800
And he did and then they were like, oh, well then here, make Pan's Labyrinth.

832
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Yes, yeah, definitely recommend that movie.

833
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,760
Yeah, I guess at the end of the day, anything he does I would recommend or just to see if

834
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,160
you are into film like we were using earlier with the Tarantino, like he is part of a film

835
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,160
class.

836
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160
So therefore you should see it.

837
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:37,120
I think that concludes our episode on Hellboy.

838
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,520
If you wanted to see our live reaction.

839
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,080
It's not really watch party because it's just us.

840
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,840
I mean, we're having a good time.

841
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,040
If you want to watch us watch that movie, if you want to watch our duo watch party, you can

842
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
go ahead and do so on our Patreon.

843
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Also on our Patreon, you can find at free episodes of this podcast.

844
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:03,280
And if you want to put in your voice of what our finale, lucky number 13, our season finale

845
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,800
episode should be you can also do that on our Patreon.

846
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,280
That is only five dollars.

847
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480
That is patreon.com/how did this not.

848
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Get made podcast.

849
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,200
If you cannot support us financially, that is perfectly fine.

850
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,400
There are other ways that you can support us.

851
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,120
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852
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,760
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853
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,720
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854
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,720
Do you want to tell us what we're doing?

855
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,040
It's right or what's wrong?

856
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,760
If you want to give us, yeah, just have any suggestions, any feedback.

857
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Yeah, that is not get made at gmail.com.

858
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,840
We check them.

859
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,720
We actually check them in here and everything you guys are saying.

860
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,280
Can we appreciate it?

861
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,320
I should also mention that we are actually part of a podcast network, patreon podcast.

862
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,880
There's the weird alphabet.

863
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,520
There's nothing going on there.

864
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,320
If you want to go through that backlog, that is fine.

865
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,320
You are in one place.

866
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,280
If you like the weird owl, there's some cool stuff.

867
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
There's no new episodes, but there is plenty to listen to.

868
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Yes, there is also come on for hookup pods.

869
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
I'm hoping for them to come back.

870
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Also, Mystery Shack look back.

871
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,560
They just came out with a new episode.

872
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Definitely check that out.

873
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,120
There is escape from Walt Disney.

874
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Lots and lots of things.

875
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Lots of stuff that you can check out while you're waiting for a new episodes of how did this

876
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,920
not get paid?

877
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Anything you want to plug?

878
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,920
You know what?

879
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,920
I actually do have something I want to add.

880
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Sure.

881
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,160
I do think it'd be fun to talk about things that we've recently seen.

882
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Do a real quick review.

883
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Okay.

884
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,120
It's not like what made us happy this week, but we did both go see heretic.

885
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,120
Yes.

886
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,120
I learned a lot about monopoly.

887
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,240
And that's the review.

888
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,760
But yeah, that's what I knew.

889
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Okay, actually, I didn't know that we could review it so quick and so concisely.

890
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,840
But yeah, heretic, go see it.

891
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,640
You'll learn how to play monopoly.

892
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Or you'll learn about monopoly.

893
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,480
If you have religious trauma, this is the movie for you.

894
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Monopoly.

895
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Yay.

896
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Great.

897
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Yeah, perfect.

898
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,480
All right.

899
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Bye-bye.

900
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,480
Bye-bye now.

901
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,540
(d足 slams)

902
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:04,780
(applause)