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And so shadow work is really about raising our perceptual awareness as human beings.

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So it has a consequence of unleashing this kind of explosive effect where you comment

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realizations, almost like a psychedelic trip, where as you raise your ability to see things

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in yourself, other in the natural world, you actually gain enlightenment for lack of a better

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Shadow work going into the dark leads to enlightenment.

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Welcome to the Re-Patterning Podcast, where we believe your mind body system is your domain

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and that choosing the beliefs, habits and patterns that best support you is your birthright.

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You guys, I am so excited about today's conversation.

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I am such a fan of today's guest.

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Her name is Maja D'Aoust and she is a staple in the Los Angeles esoteric community.

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When I first moved to Los Angeles, gosh, I guess over a decade ago now, and I began my own

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process of what one might call a spiritual awakening.

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Maja's lectures that she often gives in person, but she also had on her YouTube at that time.

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Maja's lectures, I would listen to them and my mind would be absolutely blown.

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And to this day, whenever I encounter her work, I'm always just so lit on fire by her inquisitive

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and curious nature and the way that she dives so deeply into the topics that she's studying.

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So I'm going to share with you a little bit about her background.

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She is a practicing witch and a scholar of alchemy and esoteric science.

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She also goes by the name The Witch of the Dawn.

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She has her bachelor's in biochemistry and her master's in transformational psychology.

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And she is the author of several books, including A Witches Be Sterey, which is the one that

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I own right here.

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If you're watching on video, you can see how shiny the cover is.

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It also features her really gorgeous artwork too, as much of her books and tarot decks

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She's also the author of the occult etching, familiars in witchcraft and astrology of the

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shadow self.

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And she's also the author of The White Witch Tarot Deck and her latest release, The Shadow

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Seer Tarot, which is the one that I have with me today.

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And she was so generous as to send me a copy of it before our conversation today.

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I've been looking through it.

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I haven't pulled from it yet because I'm waiting for today's conversation to do my very

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first poll.

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So, Maja, thank you so much for joining me today.

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I'm so excited to chat with you.

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It's always a pleasure chatting with you, Arden.

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I'm so stoked to be on your show today.

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I love all our conversations.

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It's always so fun.

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It's been nine years now since we've had a conversation in public.

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So if you guys enjoy this, if you want to see where Maja and I were nine years ago, you

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can also look on YouTube for peace talks, our conversation.

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Just put in both of our names and peace talks and you'll find it.

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We had that one too.

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And I'm really excited to talk today about shadow work.

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This feels like such a necessary topic in our current cultural climate in our communities

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on the global stage in our interpersonal relationships.

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And it's also something that I feel like is a term that gets thrown around a lot, especially

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in spiritual communities, kind of loosely.

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So I wanted to start with, why don't you share with us what your definition of shadow work

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is and what your approach to it is?

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Thank you so much, Arden.

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Shadow work has become kind of pop culture because there's quite a few shadow work journals

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out there that got very famous on TikTok, which is great, like spread the word, like everybody

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really needs to do shadow work.

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It's a necessity for humanity in my personal opinion.

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But shadow work means that we have confrontations with our dark side.

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The best way I could describe it is kind of like when Luke Skywalker goes and sees the

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Darth Vader face as his own, you know, is like the best image I could describe it with.

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But most people in pop culture know about it through Carl Jung, working with psychology

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that we end also, Sigmund Freud, that there's this part of our ego that likes to hide.

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All the things that we don't like about ourselves from our conscious mind.

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So the shadow from their definition is kind of like all the parts of yourself that are

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unpleasant that you don't really want to admit that you do so we project them onto other

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However, I like to have a broader definition of shadow because it's literally the unconscious.

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And I feel like a lot of people in pop culture are defining that as their unconscious, right?

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Like from their childhood or their family, their personal experiences.

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This is an egoic interpretation, which is very shadow laden to think that you own the

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I like to look at it from the unconscious, right?

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of like even on like a physics level, shadow work is going to be work that we do that raises

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our perceptual awareness to things that we cannot perceive.

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So that's a much broader definition, but I came to this definition after working with Dr.

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Kelvin DeWolf, who is a Mick Mack, Native American, and a lot of the shamanic work that he

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does is about getting into and access to the unconscious of not only ourselves, but of

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nature, of outer space, of matter in general.

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And so shadow work is really about raising our perceptual awareness as human beings.

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So it has a consequence of unleashing this like kind of explosive effect where you come

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into realizations, almost like a psychedelic trip, where as you raise your ability to see

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things in yourself, other in the natural world, you actually gain enlightenment for lack

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of a better word.

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So shadow work going into the dark leads to enlightenment.

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I also really loved your comparison in your shadow, seer talk.

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And I still to this day in week two of the Re-Patterning Project, which is the eight week course

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that I teach on Re-Patterning.

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For those of you listening, I am at this time of your listening to this podcast.

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I'm probably opening enrollment for the next round.

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So if you're interested, you can learn more at the repatterningproject.com.

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But in week two, the week two lecture, when I talk about shadow work, your definition from

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your shadows, see your lecture on YouTube from back in the day is still the one that I

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And of course, I credit you with that.

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And I love how you talk about the shadow being like the dark side of the moon and the

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fact that the moon, we always see the same face in the moon, like the man in the moon,

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because your analogy was that the moon is so in love with the sea that it always is

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gazing at the sea.

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So when it turns, like the moon doesn't turn on an axis, we're always seeing the same face.

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Artemis expedition, I feel like that's actually like, it's kind of, that's probably like a

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cultural thing that is happening.

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The fact that like we are now seeing the dark side of the moon, like at this point,

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in our global industry.

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Well, yeah, exactly.

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Like we were literally seeing that shadow.

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But I love that because basically what you say about that is like the shadow is the part

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that we can't see.

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It's the part that is beyond our awareness.

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Our current awareness, right?

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It's, I feel like humans have forgotten how large our perceptive abilities are because

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we've been sort of downtrained and muffled and muddied, right?

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sensory perceptive ability, like I can think of someone in those texts to me, like I don't,

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you know, I can think of someone and there's a connection.

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So I feel like part of the damage the tech is doing is we're forgetting our connections

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to each other that are natural and intimate that already exists without the need for tech.

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So I encourage people to explore their ability to open their perceptions and engage in connection

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in that way.

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Because that's also a part of what shadow work provides is as we kind of go through all

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these levels and pop them open, we can perceive just a lot more of like the natural word,

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we can have senses, we can sense when something is going on or what's happening with someone

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or how does something feel?

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You know, we have our, our own internal mechanisms to do these things.

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Yeah, instead of just like asking chat GPT, right?

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So I'm going to you, what do you feel?

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How does this, what are you, what are you, what are you sensed about this?

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Yeah, I agree 100%.

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I think that what's really tough about trying to teach shadow work for me anyway is that

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inherently it involves awakening to things which we can't currently see.

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And so it's so hard to tell people like, you know, it's that Dunning Kruger effect.

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Like we don't know what we don't know.

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So I'm curious, what are some of the ways, what are like tips or strategies that you have

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or that you teach for helping people to open up to that which they can't presently see

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about themselves in the world?

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Well, there's a really easy way.

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So I'm kind of a cheater because I always take the easy way because I'm lazy.

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So we project our shadow.

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We can't see it on ourselves.

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So we throw it on other people.

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So the best way you can do shadow work is look at what, what are you hating about the other

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So it's a little bit like twin flame work in that way where you, the best way to get access

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to your shadow is look at what you're projecting onto the world.

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What is your worldview?

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What do you think?

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These are your shadows.

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They belong to you, not the other person.

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So I think it's really important to depersonalize shadow like rather than targeting individuals.

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I feel like that's like blaming someone because they pee.

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Like everybody has a shadow.

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So if you want to know what yours is, look at how you're viewing people.

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You know, like this is not something unique.

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Like we can get upset and there is accountability if somebody is like violent or expressing

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a very negative behavior.

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Like animals kill each other.

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We live in nature.

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Like there's a lot of death.

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There's a lot of harm.

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It's egoic to assume responsibility or place blame on an individual for a natural behavior.

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Like we got to get it together.

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We got to raise this up into our awareness and understand how nature works and stop trying

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to blame individuals.

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I've always wondered how do you find the distinction between like sometimes I like I absolutely

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Like if there's something about someone else that is annoying me or that I'm getting activated

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by oftentimes, I notice it's like, oh, that's a part of myself that I'm disowning or that

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I'm not actually giving permission.

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Like for example, so many people were like triggered by Madonna's recent performance at Coachella.

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Like, oh, she's too old to be doing that.

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And it's like, no, actually you just never gave yourself permission to keep being sexy

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or you're a man who doesn't like the fact that like this performance wasn't about you

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for whatever reason.

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And I think that's definitely legit.

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that's just your shadow or whatever.

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So, you draw the line with that, right?

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That's a really good point.

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And I'm really glad you brought that up.

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I talk about that in my astrology shadow book.

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Oh, this is not like a victim blaming, right?

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Where it's like, oh, you got a problem with this?

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No, there is a offensive negative behavior that individuals are responsible and accountable

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for.

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Does that mean that that individual owns that?

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Like, no, just like we all pee and poop, like, this is something that happens.

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So we can't individualize it, right?

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So, and if we're going to look at what bothers us, does that mean it's our shadow?

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No, it's shadow, right?

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Not yours, not theirs.

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That's the difference.

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our problem, this is not what I'm stating at all.

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What I'm stating is that's how you see and recognize shadow behavior, if that makes sense.

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Listen, breaking this habit of personalizing everything is going to be the hardest part

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of shadow work.

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We want to make everything about an ego.

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We want to make it about that person and us.

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That is going to be a very difficult paradigm to release, thinking that if we see a shadow

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behavior in us, that it's, that means we're bad or that we are flawed in some way or that

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we should have guilt or shame because we did this negative behavior, right?

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It's like being a shame that you have to pee.

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This, we really have to break through that boundary and see shadow behavior is not belonging

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to anyone, but as present in our reality.

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of these kinds of things, we cannot personalize it to our own subconscious or experience.

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I'm so curious like in a hypothetical scenario, because I know there are so many women in communities

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that I've been who deal with this from like, you know, those kind of like new age burning

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manbrows who were like, oh, well, if you're upset about this, then that's just something

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about you or whatever, like, I don't curious, how would you respond to that hypothetical

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man? Like I would love the template to give to, to give to win to everyone, honestly, who

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has that sort of argument made toward them.

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Right.

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So, for example, if let's say the, the dude bro did an offensive remark that was directed

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to my person, right?

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So this is what they, they do this technique, which is called Darvo, right?

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They do, it's like someone that punches you in the face and then sues you for breaking

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their hand.

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This is what I like to call it the reverseo-changeo, right?

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So they're actually the offender and they're trying to make you be the problem because you

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are holding that offense, right?

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So again, say this, the whole podcast, I'll be like a broken record, depersonalization

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and transpersonalization of the issue is absolutely key.

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They're trying to neg you by activating your ego response, right?

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They're using weaponized shame to get you to do it.

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So you can't play that game.

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You cannot be like, nah, it's you are the one that's doing it.

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You have to identify the behavior and then you can ask them, well, like I feel like that

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thing is toxic, dangerous and offensive.

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You can't make it about you and you can't make it about them.

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You have to make it about the actual thing, right?

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Too often we're going to experience an offense and we're going to make it about us and them

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and then it turns into us versus them and now this is where war happens because somebody

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did an offense.

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And so now it's like gets into you and me and people get a case of the you use and the

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me meets, right?

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So we have to address the thing that occurred but depersonalize it and then allow for accountability,

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acknowledgement, right, and discussion about the event that was offensive.

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Yeah, I wanted to talk about that too because I love how you guys, I was just saying to

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Maja before we started recording that the essay that she has as the introduction of the

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Shadow Sea or tarot is so incredibly brilliant and mind blowing and the fact that it's

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like the intro to a tarot deck.

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And again, I expect no less of Maja, but it's so funny.

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Like, I feel like it should be required reading for everyone.

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And what I love especially about it is that you talk about how all of our shadow behaviors

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essentially come from unmet needs, like anything.

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And this is also something that I teach in the Re-Patterning project.

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Like the way that I talk about it is that all behavior is motivated.

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Every strategy has a legitimate underlying need beneath it.

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And oftentimes what we're doing is not the right strategy to meet that need.

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But if we make the need conscious and we think about, well, how should I actually meet this

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need?

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That is essentially like how we repattern.

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It was we choose a better strategy to actually sustainably, holistically meet that underlying

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need.

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And so a lot of people will do harmful behaviors to one another that are coming from these

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deeper unmet needs that they're not acknowledging.

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And as you said, that's how we have war, that's how we have conflict, that's how we have

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harm, that's how we have assault and harm in community and things like that.

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And I'm actually like, I'm currently dealing with some community harm that happened to me

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and was enabled in community.

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So this is something that is very present for me right now.

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And I'm a magician.

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So for me, like I just go and I do a justice spell because I know I'm in the right, I know I'm

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on the right side.

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And like one of the things that my spirits have been counseling me on is the line between

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justice and retribution, which you also touch on.

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One of the things that they were very clear about to me is they were like, look, you're

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not as powerless as you used to be.

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So yes, you should be getting justice and bringing this entire situation into alignment.

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And that is very good.

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But they were like specifically like I was divining on like, oh, what's going to happen

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to this person now?

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And they were like, you know, they were like, you're being a little too shodden for right

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about this.

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And I'm like, well, no one sees me.

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And they're like the Acasic Record sees you are in.

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Except for your shot.

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And I'm like, okay, fine, okay, I'll cast a spell on myself.

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I have all the compassionate leadership I need for this new level of spiritual power

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I'm ascending into.

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And that's how I deal with that.

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Yeah, but it's something I'm thinking about a lot is where is the line because we're

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seeing this play out in like global politics, too, right?

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We see everywhere.

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Yeah, right?

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Yeah, right?

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With the conflict with Israel, like we have people who, you know, just a couple generations

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ago were victims of incredible harm.

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And now they're doing the same harm to others.

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And I don't want to end up like that.

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So where do you find that line between making things right versus lashing out from a place

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of perceived helplessness and actually doing more harm in the process?

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Yes, it's really important.

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And to that, I really have to give it over to the indigenous folks that are doing restorative

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justice.

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So this is really important.

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And I think everyone should go and look at the indigenous sources for restorative justice,

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which by its nature is trying to fix men, you know, they're not trying to destroy the offender,

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which is what you're talking about with all of the conflict.

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Like if we destroy the offender, that's like Batman killing the Joker, you know, like we

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have to be able to have the accountability and justice, but without doing the same wrong

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that was done to us, which is retribution, right?

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Retaliation.

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And then it just causes a cycle of violence that never ends.

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But how are we going to have the strength as a victim to not do that?

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If somebody messed with my family, I will go kill them.

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You know what I mean?

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Like if they damaged or murdered my family, how are you going to have the strength to not

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do that?

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So that's not realistic.

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So we have to really figure out how are we going to deal with these like extreme severe

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defense mechanisms that we have, which is going to be retaliatory because you can't help

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it.

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And depending on the situation and how egregious the offenses, like from everything to murder,

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to genocide.

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Like you can't expect people to do nothing.

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Like, that's not realistic.

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So how you're going to need third parties to do restorative justice.

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If you are the victim of something, you need to get help.

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The problem is our justice system is so just like barf.

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Like you can't, it's going to take 20 years.

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You can't do anything.

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No one believes you.

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If someone did commit, you're wearing.

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You have to get the DA to press the charges and to do that, you have to get so much evidence.

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And if someone with a reputation or something getting the DA to even believe that there was

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a crime, they've been through this with a lot of my clients that have suffered egregious

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offenses.

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And then they try to go through the justice system and they're just like, there's nothing

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you can do.

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So it's like no wonder vigilanteism is popular.

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You know, like what do you, if you can't go through third parties that you're the victim

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of an offense, how are you supposed to be non retaliatory?

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This is like, this is where we're stuck.

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We have to assist people that are going through this and we have to as communities assist

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people with restorative justice because the victim of the offense will not be able to.

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The offender is going to Darvo, how to present.

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If you try to address it with an offender, they're going to get defensive and then aggressive

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towards you.

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Anytime you eat, whether it's your family member, if your family member calls an offense

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and you're like, hey, dude, like you broke my thing and they're going to be like, fuck you.

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Like you're not, you don't even know that.

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And then just like the torrent of toxic garbage, right?

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So you have to really understand this is why we need to know shadow.

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That is going to happen, right?

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You have to engage restorative justice techniques.

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You have to ask for help, right?

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Like you doing a spell like when we're magicians, we go to spirit.

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Like a lot of my friends will be like, who do you go to do when you need help?

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I'm like, that's why I've been with which, dude.

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Like, I don't deal with y'all.

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Like, that's, I already figured out it's not going to work with you guys.

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So I go, like, I go up.

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So going into higher powers is a way to do it.

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That's how I do it.

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But then we also do have to deal with stuff like on the ground, on the real level.

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And so that's why I do my services to try to assist and counsel people for like, I view

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myself as a spiritual lawyer.

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Like I do, I practice spiritual law where I try to advocate for people who have been victims

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and sometimes offenders to try to get some kind of restorative justice where we don't

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try to destroy each other.

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But we try to find some way for that accountability.

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Like I have a lot of people now are calling people's parents.

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This is a way.

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So if you have like a partner who's being abusive or doing terrible things, go talk to their

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family.

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Like, go talk to like other people that they're close to.

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Like get, get us circled, not against them, but to try to raise awareness to this kind

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of behavior and get some kind of advocacy.

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But I mean, look, if someone's doing violent, abusive behavior towards you or like in community,

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like, I don't know what you're experiencing, but you got to rally the troops.

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You got to speak up.

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You got to say what happened.

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You have to ask for like apologies.

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You have to be like, hey, this was my experience of what happened.

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I think it was kind of sucked.

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Like, you want to, was there something you wanted to like explain about this behavior, right?

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But you might not be able to do that if you're the victim.

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So you might need to ask somebody else to advocate for you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, for me, you know, that was actually another thing I was going to ask you about your

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opinions on reversal magic.

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Yeah.

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For me, like reversal magic is just like, I find, I find it to be within my own personal

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ethics because it's like, if you were going to do that thing to me, I have no problem reversing

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it and sending it back to you.

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And the thing that I like to explain about reversal magic, as I understand it, as my

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experience of explaining it to me, it's not just like, oh, I reverse it and nothing happened.

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It's actually like the magic happens to the other person who was sending it to you.

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If you're returning to send her.

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It's like, if I have $10 and you do like a star stealing spell on me to steal five of my

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dollars, now not only do I get my five dollars back, but I also get five of your dollars now

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too.

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Now I have $15.

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So there are sometimes where I'm like, I love being attacked because it's like getting

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free money from the government.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, I'm like, I just end up better off than, you know, than where I was before.

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There are sometimes where I'm like, I'm not going to stop that person attacking me

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because I do better and better.

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Each time, each time I do.

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It's funny.

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A lot of people steal my stuff or copy my stuff or say stuff that I said and I'm like, oh,

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that's great.

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I just got more of an army in the underworld of dum-dums that are like now under my intelligence

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is rule, right?

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Right.

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Right.

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So many people.

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I'm now your dominant and your Damon and your shadow have been cheated out of their

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own destiny and now you're under your part of my bitch army.

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So sorry, but like, you don't understand.

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Like, when you do that behavior to someone, you're actually sacrificing your own sovereignty

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because you're taking what is someone else's when you, you have your own stuff.

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Like, what are you doing?

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You know, so it just is like dumb in my opinion.

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People say, oh, steal that person's glamor or whatever.

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I'm like, you just like diminished your whole vibe, dude, like not Empress style.

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But I feel like when people don't know, this is the problem, right?

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They're ignorant that this behavior has those kinds of consequences and they're still

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going to like engage in it.

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Like you can do reversal magic where it's the basic, like just, I'm rubber and you're

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a glue, anything you do to me gets back to you.

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Like that's like basic school yard stuff, right?

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Where it's, you can just use the karma rule for that and it works like karma is real.

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Like, it's not hard.

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When it gets retributional, you take a karmic hit.

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So when it's all balanced, right?

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In a homeostasis.

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So we're permitted to do defense, right?

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Like, I'm a really big self-defense advocate.

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I've taught free self-defense classes to people.

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I do martial arts, like I have for, I don't even know, like 30 years since I was in my 20s.

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So we have to defend ourselves.

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You can't just, spirit doesn't want us to just be martyrs and like take it.

462
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Like there's a lot of spiritual bypassing, which is happening, which is like, oh, just forgive

463
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,440
the person, which we do need forgiveness and ablution.

464
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Like I'm grateful for Mercy.

465
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Mercy has shown on me many times.

466
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,680
But if there is a series of fence, you can't just shove it into the rug and permit someone

467
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
to be abusive to yourself and to other people.

468
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,760
Like so then it gets really sketchy.

469
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Like they need to learn the lessons that you can't just go around punching everybody in

470
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,040
the face.

471
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Like somebody's got to say something and you can't permit it.

472
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,720
And it's really uncomfortable to tell someone, hey, you got to quit hitting people in the

473
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240
face because then they're going to try to hate you in the face as soon as you ask them

474
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,560
not to do that.

475
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:23,840
So trying to find ways to bring I write in the in the deck book and in my astrology book,

476
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,400
the first thing you can expect when you try to raise shadow behavior to anyone's awareness,

477
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,480
including your own, is that your ego will defend itself to the bitter end.

478
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,240
So we have to find ways to get in there.

479
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Obviously magic goes around the back door so you don't have to have the confrontation,

480
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,680
right?

481
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,760
So doing magic and doing those kind of reversal spells is very non-confrontational but uses

482
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,520
the energy to accomplish the jobs that you don't have to like deal with their face, right?

483
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:02,240
I get confrontation, although that's so as I age, I have to say, but like if somebody does

484
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,760
something and I don't like it, I'm going to be like, I don't know me.

485
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Or I'll just yell at people if they are abusive on the street or if people, because I get,

486
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,200
you know, approached a lot still, I don't know why I'm like a grandma practically, but

487
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,360
people are still like cat call me and stuff and I'm just like, I get aggressive, you know?

488
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,480
So, but maybe we don't always need to do that.

489
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080
It depends on kind of like your style and what you feel comfortable with.

490
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:35,000
But if you go over the top, if you go over the offense, now you take a karmic hit for

491
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,880
attacking the offender.

492
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,720
So that sucks too, you know?

493
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,360
That's the funny thing to me too is that so many occultists won't even, like they won't

494
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,360
even warn you, you know?

495
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Like they'll just, and like, I feel like I'm being the nice person by being like, hey, I

496
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,560
know what you're doing, stop that.

497
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,760
Or else I'm gonna, and I feel like people also underestimate us, you know?

498
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,560
I think probably people like air, no, I'm just like, it's done.

499
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Like now you're in my bitch are we?

500
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Exactly.

501
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Okay.

502
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,620
All of this, all of this behavior that we're talking about, even with magicians, stands

503
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:17,280
from a lack of awareness and perception, which if you do shadow work, you're gonna see

504
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,520
all that stuff.

505
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:27,080
To me, I'm just so bored of people behaving under these levels and in like, under rocks,

506
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,560
kind of like parasitic weirdos.

507
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080
And I'm like, I want better for you.

508
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Like I want you to rise up.

509
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,560
I want you to glow.

510
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,920
I want you to shine.

511
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Like this is so boring to see you slither around through the shadows.

512
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,040
Like I wish that people would just really raise their awareness to the behaviors and see

513
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:54,080
the toll that it's taking on their consciousness and keeping them under the ground, underground.

514
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,880
And we want better for the collective too, because like everyone benefits when,

515
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
That's right.

516
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Each individual is on the path of their true will, right?

517
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Of their Dharma.

518
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,900
The thing that they are meant to do their own, their own personalized glow up.

519
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:11,720
And we all thought, so yeah, I'm right there on that page with you.

520
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,520
But then it's like, what is your action that you do when you're receiving this energy from,

521
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,720
when you're receiving shadow behavior from a person, right?

522
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,720
Right.

523
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,220
What does need to do it?

524
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:28,260
What do you think about the idea of like, like at the very end of the animated series,

525
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:31,640
Avatar, The Last Airbender, which like, I'm sure you've seen that, right?

526
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Great.

527
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,640
You have.

528
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,260
It's the East for three.

529
00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:38,260
It's great.

530
00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:39,260
It's so, so good.

531
00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:45,540
And at the very end, Ang the Avatar is confronting an enemy and he ends up taking away the enemy's

532
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:46,540
bending powers.

533
00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:48,540
He's basically like, you're abusing these powers.

534
00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:49,540
I'm not going to kill you.

535
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:50,540
I'm not going to hurt you.

536
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:54,940
But I often think of myself and like, maybe it's my autistic over compassion because I couldn't

537
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:57,780
see myself like, you know, being someone who is creating heart.

538
00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:01,440
But if I couldn't see myself and that's room for shadows, so I don't know, maybe one

539
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,440
day I was.

540
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,440
I think so.

541
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,440
I think you are.

542
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,440
I think you're a hero.

543
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,440
I think you're a hero.

544
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Yes.

545
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Exactly.

546
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Right.

547
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,200
So if someone did that to me and was like, well, I don't like what you're doing with your

548
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,880
magic, so you're going to take it away from you.

549
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,240
Like that was a good God.

550
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Like, I mean, hopefully no one would be able to, hopefully my spirits would be like that

551
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,560
is unjust.

552
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,560
We're giving our back her magic.

553
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,560
But yeah, like you think.

554
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,560
You can judge, right?

555
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,560
The judge.

556
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Exactly.

557
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,320
The judgment is a card in my deck.

558
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Like you can't, you're going to think you can judge unless you know someone wound to

559
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,120
you.

560
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:39,160
You don't know that like you don't, you don't know everything and people deserve forgiveness

561
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,160
too.

562
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,160
So this is rough.

563
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Everyone's going to get really mad that I say this.

564
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,000
You could murder a bunch of people, be a veteran and killed lots of people.

565
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,960
Like you can do those things and still be redeemed.

566
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,960
Yeah.

567
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,360
So I believe that 100%.

568
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,640
We can still be good at helping people, even if we've done terrible things.

569
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920
That's a big paradox for people to hold.

570
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,880
So when we do the justice, retribution and judgment, like you have to do the restorative

571
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,440
justice means, are you just going to throw this person away if they can still like perform

572
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,880
better, even if it might take like some rehabilitation or some work.

573
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,240
Yes, there are people that we can't be like Dululu.

574
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:23,240
Some people will not change.

575
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:28,320
Like you can't keep releasing, you know, child abusers out of prison and think they're

576
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,320
cool, right?

577
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Right.

578
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,880
Because that's then they're going to continue the offense.

579
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:39,160
So it comes back to this thing they were talking about, like with what point do you do that

580
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,160
to somebody?

581
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Then I mean, you know, we get into the whole thing of prisons and how do we deal with this?

582
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,680
And then we get world leaders that are abusive.

583
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,160
They always just seem to get assassinated, but then they just get replaced by other abusers.

584
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,680
So it's like, it's a hot mess.

585
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,920
And I don't feel like I claim to have a solution.

586
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,920
My solution is to raise awareness to it.

587
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,680
That's all I got guys, but I feel like it's pretty good.

588
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:15,120
If we can raise awareness to see, identify and perceive shadow, that's where I think we'll

589
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,120
make some progress.

590
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,920
I don't know.

591
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,200
I have some suggestions for dealing with shadows, but this is a big thing that we're not

592
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,800
going to be able to like get rid of, right?

593
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,200
So we can't.

594
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,760
And that's where we also need to be compassionate and have mercy on ourselves and others.

595
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,440
We have to see that shadow is gigantic and exists in nature.

596
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,760
It's not about us.

597
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,240
So as humans, we, if we can't see it, we're, we're screwed.

598
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,320
Like we have to really, I think at least the beginning point is to work on the perceptive

599
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,720
raising of awareness so that we can get a handle on it.

600
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,720
Yeah.

601
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,080
That's, I think what's difficult for me is, and I guess,

602
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,560
on a personal level, I tend to leave it up to my spirits, you know, because I think they

603
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,760
can see, they can see the situation, but yeah, they can see more than I can.

604
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,120
But it's hard for me sometimes to be like, well, where is the line between, you know, who,

605
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,880
who do I cancel versus who do I rehabilitate?

606
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,320
You know, that's been something that has been a real struggle for me because I do have

607
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,760
compassion for people.

608
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,800
And there are times where it's like, no, this person actually needs to be taken out of

609
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,920
those positions of power because they've been carrying on these ongoing patterns

610
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,840
of harm and exploitation.

611
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,000
This person on the other hand is a walking, done in Krueger effect and they may be just

612
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,160
very aggressively be shown their shadow and be kind of like, you know, have that reflected

613
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760
to them until they can no longer ignore it, which is aggressive.

614
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,280
And maybe that person won't like that experience very much, but it's very different from canceling

615
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200
a person or from removing them from those positions.

616
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,400
I think education and dialogue is what's needed, but that's like labor, you know, so like,

617
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,640
I said before, the victims can't be expected to do that labor.

618
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
So they need to be educated.

619
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,240
And that's why like I made the deck is because people have to know this stuff.

620
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,040
Like if you don't know, you don't know.

621
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,640
And so I'm trying to get it in to people's face to be like, hey, guess what?

622
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Everyone is getting this for Christmas this year.

623
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,200
We don't, we're not getting educated in emotional intelligence and understanding negative

624
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,760
behaviors because nobody wants to talk about it.

625
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Nobody wants to pretend we don't have to do sex ed and no one's going to have sex.

626
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,280
This is incorrect, right?

627
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,720
Turns out like if you don't teach people about how to have sex, they're not going to not do

628
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,720
it.

629
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:45,080
Like so we had, there's no choice anymore except to give people emotional education, 100%.

630
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,360
And all they're doing is removing the humanities, which is the main source of emotional education.

631
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,080
And even that is not straightforward enough.

632
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,920
People are getting that emotional education through humanities courses, which are metaphors,

633
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,880
allegories, novels, examples, but the children, it's their two thick, like they don't get it.

634
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Like we need to really just be like listen, here's what you're going to have happen.

635
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,880
You're going to get triggered.

636
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,600
You're going to feel bad.

637
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,440
Don't get caught in guilt and shame.

638
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,840
Like look at what?

639
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,440
Who's going to be violent?

640
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Get to know if you try to hold someone accountable.

641
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,880
What they're going to do.

642
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,640
They're going to steal your shit.

643
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,000
They're going to try to rape you.

644
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Like you need to know these things.

645
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,400
You do though.

646
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,400
You do.

647
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,400
Yeah.

648
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:36,240
So one of the things I love that you also said in the intro, essay to the deck is this idea

649
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:44,440
that imagining that we can have a community of people and that they're not going to act

650
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,760
out of their shadow behaviors is like throwing an event at a venue that doesn't have any

651
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,760
bathrooms.

652
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Listen, this is so good.

653
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,720
You can't keep that dumb, you know?

654
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,840
Like you can't go in and think because it's a spiritual event that there's no rapist

655
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,840
there.

656
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Like that is not not good.

657
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,760
Like you have to not like be paranoid or anything, but it's about having your perceptive

658
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:17,480
awareness around you and you can still trust people, but it's about learning how are

659
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,000
we going to perceive these shadows present in individuals and in the world, you know,

660
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,720
so that you don't show up at landmark and get recruited for a cult.

661
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:28,720
Oh, God.

662
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,480
That's like, being out at the door saying like, hey, like this, we got some other stuff,

663
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,480
right?

664
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,440
So we have to get smarter, man.

665
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Yeah, man.

666
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,560
And do you remember the Cloak and Dagger party in Los Angeles, naturally, right?

667
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Do you remember?

668
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,080
And you were you around, were you around at the time when it got like not shut?

669
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Well, it wasn't technically, it wasn't shut down.

670
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:57,040
It was actually the two men who were throwing the party shut it down because the members

671
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,320
of the party were reflecting their shadow to them.

672
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,080
And they couldn't handle it.

673
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,080
So they stopped.

674
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,680
I think of that often like when I think of shadow in community.

675
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,960
And the funny thing about that is that, you know, then like six months later.

676
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,360
So for anyone like who's who's listening, by the way, Maja and I used to go to a

677
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,280
party sometimes called Cloak and Dagger that was in Hollywood.

678
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,960
It was a members only party and it was honestly, there were a lot of really amazing and wonderful

679
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,080
things about that party because like, of course, like when you have a community like that,

680
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,920
there are going to be those those ones.

681
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,360
And at any time you have that, you're going to have shadow as well.

682
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,360
And unfortunately, in every community, right?

683
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,840
And last one, every community, every race, every country, every neighborhood, every family.

684
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840
Guess what?

685
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,840
Yep.

686
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,720
There, like there, there it is.

687
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,740
And unfortunately, you know, the the two men who ran that party, it was brought to their

688
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:52,680
attention that there was harm going on with them that party that they were enabling.

689
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,880
And they maybe they didn't even mean to, you know, I'm really still firmly on the side

690
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,760
of like those people were, were really ignorant of their shadow again, like walking,

691
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,760
done in Krueger effect.

692
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,560
And that's not an excuse, you know, but it is different from someone who is intentionally

693
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,560
harming.

694
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Correct.

695
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,120
And in ability to look at themselves meant that like six months later, there was an article

696
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,400
in the LA Times that came out and was like, Hey, here's, there's what they're doing.

697
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,840
And I'm talking years that I spent with, you know, at least one of them being like, Hey,

698
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,840
you want to look at this?

699
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,840
You want to look at this?

700
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,160
And they're like, No, they were lying.

701
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
And they were, you know, that's not what happened.

702
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,280
And that's like, maybe that's not how you remember some of it, but like you are not, you

703
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,640
are not the sole arbiter on like other people's experiences.

704
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,120
You have to let in all perspectives.

705
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,400
So yeah, there's going to be a lot of people who are going to get this deck for Christmas

706
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,400
this year.

707
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,840
That's a perfect example of how our ego will defend itself and it naturally will just

708
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,280
like, you will naturally defend yourself.

709
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,440
You know what I mean?

710
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,320
That's just, I mean, depending on your root response, if you have a fond response, like

711
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,400
maybe not, right?

712
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,360
But most people are going to have a natural response to defend themselves and you can't,

713
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,440
you can't get around that.

714
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,720
Like you have to understand that that's going to happen.

715
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,520
And so then it's going to be like, are you going to battle this person's ego?

716
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Are you going to figure out how are you going to deal with ego because ego is there and

717
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,480
everybody has it?

718
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,960
And I don't care who you are.

719
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,800
It's going to be there and you're going to meet with this behavior in every single circumstance.

720
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,720
So we have to really understand that for you.

721
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,480
Like it's, you become like you're trying to like get into this person and open them

722
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,200
because I assume like you had a relationship with them or you care about them or they're

723
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,200
your friend.

724
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,200
So you're trying to help them.

725
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,000
And this is what we would do with any friend that had a problem.

726
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,920
Like if our friend had a drinking problem, we're going to try to like bring it up into

727
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,560
their awareness and then meet with that defense too.

728
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,680
So these skills are very important to like, so we can help people we care about as well,

729
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,840
not just in this way to like punish offenders or deal with offenders.

730
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280
This is about caring about our communities.

731
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Yeah, and I'll also say like as a recovering fawn like fawn was my main trauma response

732
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,280
and it's still like informed some of my behaviors to this day.

733
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:19,480
I'll even say that the fawn response itself is still egoic because we are still attempting

734
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,320
to conform to what we think is acceptable by faunting.

735
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,800
So I can shove my shadow even farther under there by being like someone's like, oh,

736
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,000
you need, oh, I need to do, okay, well, then I'll just, I'll just be the way that you want

737
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,320
me to be.

738
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Like that still also creates shadow.

739
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,160
So even like even even even a fawn can't get a scale and cute.

740
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Like we just start like, you know, we just get it scared and it's a scary world.

741
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,120
People die and terrible things happen.

742
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,080
So we just just humans are going to have these ways, you know, that we are going to try

743
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,080
to deal with that.

744
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,640
And that's just, it's what's going to happen.

745
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:06,000
So I definitely want to, you guys, I'm going to use this conversation as an opportunity

746
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,080
to do a poll from Maja's new deck for the first time.

747
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,840
I've been looking at it, but I have not yet pulled from myself from it.

748
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,120
We're going to do a little bit of shadow polls here.

749
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,560
But before I do that, Maja, I just, I would love for you to talk a little bit about how

750
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,880
this deck, talk about like the darker types that you use.

751
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:24,880
I love this.

752
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Like I'm just going to pull up the first card here, like the first card in the tarot is

753
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,440
the fool.

754
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,640
And so it's labeled as the fool if you're watching on the video, you can see it, but the shadow

755
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,920
of the fool is hubris, right?

756
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,360
It's like that taking the journey, but you're, you're overconfident.

757
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,880
You know, you think you know everything like when you, when you don't at the start of that

758
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,880
journey.

759
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,000
So share a little bit about the darker types of your deck, Maja, and what we can learn

760
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,920
from them, how we can start to see our shadow better by using it.

761
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Yes.

762
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,120
So everything is an inversion, right?

763
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,680
So the way that I kind of view shadows, it's, it's your anti-Christ, basically.

764
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,440
And that I write about in the astrology shadow book is that, because I figured out that

765
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,800
you can make an astrology shadow chart.

766
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,600
And I learned this because I had spent so much time with the e-ching and flipping hexagrams

767
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,240
that if you flip your natal chart, that's an inversion and that creates a shadow chart

768
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,240
of everything you are not, which is why, so the inversion of the cards, so like everything

769
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,680
is like the opposite thing that it is, right?

770
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,320
We both simultaneously because we live in duality.

771
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,360
So you're you and not you.

772
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,920
We all have a self and an anti-self.

773
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,160
This is correct.

774
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,960
We are alive, but we're also dead because time, very twin flamey.

775
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,040
So it's how paradox and reality works, right?

776
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,200
So for example, I have like page of ones is the avoidant, right?

777
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Oh my gosh.

778
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,880
It's like going on a trip and leaving somewhere, but the opposite is that is that they're

779
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,640
avoiding doing something, right?

780
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:05,280
So all of the darketypes are the inversion of the traditional tarot archetype.

781
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:11,520
And you can kind of really get the whole picture by also including the anti version of something.

782
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,760
So if I think, oh, Arden is, you know, this and is that and is that.

783
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,920
If I also include all the things you're not, then we get contrast and suddenly everything

784
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,000
gets filled out.

785
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,880
And becomes more visible through contrast.

786
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,480
That's how duality works, right?

787
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,520
If we can see dark, we have to see dark.

788
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,640
You have to see this.

789
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,300
I love that too because there's so many tarot and oracle decks out there that are like so

790
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:38,720
nice and sweet and gentle.

791
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,680
And we need those two, but I feel like, you know, there's that joke about, you know, which

792
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,840
deck are you pulling from?

793
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Like, oh, this deck is especially rude deck.

794
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,960
I love this deck for how intentionally rude it is.

795
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Absolutely.

796
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,560
People need to know you can't always just, you know, I've got like my quanian oracle over

797
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,000
there, which I love, you know, and quanian is very like, oh, you are currently like, you

798
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,000
know, raising out of your negative behaviors.

799
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,680
This is an opportunity for growth, you know, sometimes we need that.

800
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Be positive.

801
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:15,120
But like, I was a single mom, raised two children, had to deal with real stuff.

802
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,600
I deal with real stuff.

803
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,720
My clients come to me, you know, with rapes, with murders, with trauma, with, you know, I

804
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,600
have a client who's an ER surgeon, like, you're not going to be able to just give them like

805
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,880
a little sprinkle of fairy dust and everything's going to be okay.

806
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,080
These are parts of reality that we have to navigate and work through and really deal with.

807
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
So I'm not really interested in something that's a little fluffy.

808
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,160
If I'm going to deal with something, I really need to know, like, I need to look up its

809
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,400
butthole, you know what I mean?

810
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Like, I need to know what am I dealing with here?

811
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,240
So I made this deck to be able to identify some of these things.

812
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,800
So there's a lot of ways you can use it.

813
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,640
There's spreads that I have in it to kind of open things up, like, looking at what is the

814
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:01,560
prevalent shadow in your relationship showing up, like a dynamic, you can do a regular pull

815
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,360
with your positive, tarot, deck of choice and then pull one of these cards to show what

816
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,640
is the shadow active in the situations that you can then also see the other side that

817
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,640
you're not looking at because you're trying to be positive.

818
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,640
But if you're glossing over, shoving everything under the rug, kind of trying to make everything

819
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,200
nice, that's fine, but you have to address the issues that there is in corruption.

820
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,760
So there is a destruction so that it can have sustainability, right?

821
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,960
You can't just be like, oh, we're all going to live together and be a happy family when

822
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,520
you can't pay the rent.

823
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,560
So like, you have to, there's just real stuff that you've got to do, man.

824
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:43,360
And so like, that's why I'm trying to deal with some of this stuff, you know?

825
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,880
And you mentioned also that your darketypes that you deal with go beyond the Carl Jung,

826
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,280
like everyone like we hear archetypes and we think of like Carl Jung, Caroline, Mike,

827
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,400
and you know, that's, that's great their work has, has certainly contributed a lot of useful

828
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,400
things.

829
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,480
But you're saying that you also go beyond these to sort of the pagan roots of these archetypes.

830
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,040
Do you want to share a little bit about that before we do a pull?

831
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Yes, I'm so excited that you asked that because everyone knows and pop culture that Carl Jung

832
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:17,640
version of the archetypes, but you have to look at Carl Jung's material number one and read.

833
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,600
So I have read a lot of his books, Mr. Yarn can young Dionys, the whole series from Bowling

834
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Gain and you have to look at what are his sources?

835
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,000
What is informing him?

836
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Because he's not, he's a contemporary like in terms of history, like we got to go like

837
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,240
where are these ideas coming from?

838
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,480
And he gains them through pagan sources, through alchemical sources.

839
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:41,120
So you can't like yes, I know we all want to like give props to the men that take stuff

840
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,320
from older cultures so they put their name on it and then become known for it, right?

841
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,560
We all want to have our name on that particle, you know, or whatever it is we discovered to

842
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,280
have like our last name put on it and get a Nobel Prize.

843
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,120
But the reality is that there are other sources that need to get recognized.

844
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,760
And for shadow work, this is a traditional pagan thing like I say in the book like anyone

845
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,200
that's a psychologist or a witch or a pagan is going to know what shadow work is and shadow

846
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,160
work in pagan traditions goes into our underworld self.

847
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,840
And these journeys to the underworld is the original shadow work.

848
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,440
And in the book I talk about, you know, using the Israel Palestine conflict as an example

849
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:26,480
because if you go back and look at what Gaza is, there were underworld entrances in Gaza.

850
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,960
It was called the Valley of the Reffaim and the Reffaim were this race of we're not really

851
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,000
sure what they were six fingered humans.

852
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,080
And you could journey into the underworld and have talks with the dead.

853
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,040
And this was like part of the Christian world separates and we don't do talking to the dead

854
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,240
talking to the ancestors.

855
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,320
That's part of the shadow world.

856
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Like if you want to talk about getting into the dark, you go into the underworld, which

857
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,960
was the traditional journey that we would make and doing cycle pumping, which I do for clients

858
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,920
although I don't like advertising act.

859
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,840
So please don't contact me.

860
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,840
I suck.

861
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Do it yourself.

862
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,840
I'm tired of it.

863
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,560
We'll work for those people out.

864
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,320
So my menopause journey was all underworld shit.

865
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,040
So I was like, all right, I'm just going to do it.

866
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,160
I guess, but I really don't want to do it anymore.

867
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,920
So just because I brought it up, don't contact me.

868
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,880
But it's hard to do underworld work and do underworld journeys.

869
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,680
And so part of the Shamanic traditions too, you make a sense, which everybody loves, right?

870
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,840
We all love going the upper, making the sense is my favorite thing.

871
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:39,640
And you go, go down into the underworld where all that nasty, nasty shit is.

872
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,680
And so a lot of my shadow work came through doing underworld labor, psychopomping, stuff

873
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,680
like that.

874
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,640
And I was like, man, people are looking at this shadow work like just like, what did my dad

875
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,640
give to me?

876
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,280
Like that I need to deal with.

877
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,480
No, man, he picked her.

878
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,560
And that, dude, it's going to be like a much longer journey for humans because we have to

879
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,680
integrate with that part of ourself that's already dead, our ancestors that are dead, interact

880
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,320
with them, talk to them, like figure this out.

881
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,280
Like come on, we can't just keep doing the same thing over and over in a stupid circle.

882
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,160
Like we have to learn from the past, we have to understand the past, we have to know who

883
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,640
we are, we have to know what is a human.

884
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,640
What are we doing here?

885
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,640
What have we done?

886
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,640
Who are we?

887
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Like these are important things we have to get into.

888
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,840
That's shadow work.

889
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,720
Yes, agreed entirely.

890
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,800
That's our animal nature too, right?

891
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Our animal bodies that end up having these needs as you were talking about, which end up

892
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,320
causing these shadow behaviors.

893
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,280
And speaking of shadow behavior, so I have my deck here, but I see, you know, you have yours

894
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,680
as, do you want to do the honor of doing do I want to?

895
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,680
I would love to.

896
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,920
What is your question?

897
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,480
All right, so we're going to do one for me and one for Tomi.

898
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,920
You can do one for you if you want as well.

899
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Sounds good.

900
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,360
So I think my idea for it was we'll do a three card spread, a past, like a shadow work that

901
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,720
we have recently since that successfully integrated one that we are presently working

902
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:10,920
on now.

903
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,880
And then one that is going to be like the next one in the future that we ought to keep

904
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,920
an eye out for when that time comes.

905
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Okay, sounds good.

906
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,120
So, are ready to get read for filth.

907
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:29,400
I will deal with your past, present, and future shadows to work on.

908
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Very interesting.

909
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:37,120
Okay, your first card is the skin walker, which is the high result card in the regular deck.

910
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Skin walker is a corrupt authority or spiritual leader that ends up being abusive towards you.

911
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,360
So high reform, I really was inspired to write about because of all the Catholic priests

912
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,600
who are abusing their positions.

913
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:56,380
This is any leader of a community or group that ends up being abusive towards their members.

914
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:59,680
So I don't know if you have any experience of that in your past.

915
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,280
That's so funny because I literally we were just talking about my spirits warning me and

916
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,240
saying, Hey, cast that spell that you have all the compassionate leadership that you need

917
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,600
in order to ascend into this next realm of spirit.

918
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,960
Don't be in your victim mentality and think that your powerless and then lash out at people.

919
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,040
You're becoming a leader so you need more.

920
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,560
So and I literally I cast that spell about maybe a month and a half ago.

921
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,280
So that right on the money.

922
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,280
Okay, all right.

923
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,360
What's the one I'm working on right now?

924
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,000
The avoidant, which I had already done.

925
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,440
So this is going to take the shape of dating people.

926
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,040
I know exactly what this is.

927
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,040
Are avoiding some avoidance.

928
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,640
No, I'm actually going through and because I'm normally the anxious one and I'm kind

929
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,080
of going through an avoidance phase right now.

930
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,240
So you can rate that shadow absolutely.

931
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:01,720
Now you're kind of choosing that you're going into your anti self, Arden.

932
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,600
I am purposefully right now.

933
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:09,400
I have like I have purposefully kind of in a spiritual energetic sense said like, I'm

934
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920
not dealing with I've dealt with this for so much.

935
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,840
I'm not dealing with it right now until it is time.

936
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:16,840
So that makes sense too.

937
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,360
That is exactly what I am doing right now.

938
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,360
I'm going through avoidance.

939
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,360
I'm going through avoidance.

940
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,360
That's very avoidance.

941
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:26,240
I mean, yeah, I'm like and I will deal with this in the future when it is the right time,

942
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,560
but right now like or rather like I won't deal with like the relationshipy stuff like

943
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,480
I'm single right and there's stuff that like there's stuff I could be dealing with and

944
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,720
I have sort of set energetic limits and said not yet.

945
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:43,360
I've done that circus in monkeys that'll this will be in the future.

946
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,920
So yeah, again, that's right on the money.

947
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:53,120
So the third one for future that we get for you is the tyrant, which is the emperor card.

948
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:59,440
This is going to be authority figures exerting control upon you in ways that are unjust

949
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,440
or unfair.

950
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:06,200
It tends to be masculine type of energy but can be either because I don't feel like, you

951
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,200
know, the gender thing.

952
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,440
It's not male or female.

953
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,720
It's just that type of energetic right?

954
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:18,560
So I made the image of it a bull because it's like being bullied.

955
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,560
Oh, wow.

956
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,800
This is you should look at like some techniques or strategies to deal with bullies and

957
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,280
trolls, which sounds like you're already having to deal with.

958
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,920
So as we rise, you know, into awareness, we get bullies.

959
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,040
So learning how to deal with bullies is really important.

960
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,480
We need to figure out how to understand the bully darketype.

961
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,520
You know, that resonates for me too because I dealt with the bully recently, but part

962
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:50,280
of what I'm trying to catch myself on is making sure that I don't bully them in return.

963
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,280
That's what I mean.

964
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,440
Like it's really rough.

965
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:58,640
Like how do we not do that reciprocity or retaliatory energy?

966
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,720
You got to get help, get friends, right?

967
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:02,720
Yeah.

968
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:03,720
Yeah.

969
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:04,720
Yeah.

970
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,920
Like what is the kind and just and compassionate way to respond to this that doesn't just throw

971
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
the bullying back?

972
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,120
And yeah, that resonates for me too because I've been having those conversations in my head

973
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,080
and it has been difficult.

974
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Beautiful.

975
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:25,280
I wouldn't always say in grade school, I got bullied so much and I would just fight them.

976
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Like I would get in trouble and have to go to the principal's office because there was

977
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:34,080
one guy I tried to wrangle with my jump rope because he was like attacking me.

978
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,160
And I defended myself and then I was the one that got in trouble, right?

979
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,240
So I went to get too far.

980
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:46,400
But, you know, how are you going to get the bully to stop, right?

981
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,760
It's breaking that cycle while still defending yourself.

982
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,760
It's really hard.

983
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,760
It's really hard.

984
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,760
Yeah.

985
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,760
You know?

986
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:55,760
Yeah.

987
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,760
You know, can confirm.

988
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,760
That was incredible.

989
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,760
All three of those were spot on for me.

990
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,760
Chattos, man.

991
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,760
All right.

992
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,760
Should I pull for?

993
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,240
Tomi, yeah, Tomi, are you ready to come on camera and get red for filth?

994
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,240
I didn't.

995
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Red for filth is so good.

996
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,040
That's genius.

997
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,240
Oh, it's Tomi there.

998
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Hello, though.

999
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,240
She, oh, she may be like dealing with work stuff and we can, you know, we can edit this

1000
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,240
over.

1001
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Okay.

1002
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,240
I'll pull for mine or I'll pull for yourself.

1003
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,240
Just close.

1004
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,240
I'll just close mine.

1005
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,240
Okay.

1006
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,240
Let's see here.

1007
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,240
Well, geez.

1008
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,640
That's really something.

1009
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:38,880
This corner is the high priestess, which is I call the abandoned bride, which I was inspired

1010
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,720
by Ariadne Smith.

1011
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,560
I don't know how many of you are familiar with that, but it is very accurate because I had

1012
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:52,000
a breakup about a year ago and was long term partnership.

1013
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:58,280
And so definitely this resonates quite a bit of just that dealing with abandonment

1014
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,160
issues in general has been one of my shadows.

1015
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,000
Like, because I had bad dad and all that kind of stuff.

1016
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,480
And so trying to work with breaking that pattern and get some kind of breakthrough there's

1017
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,080
a big theme for me of late.

1018
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:19,560
The second one, I get is the moon card, which is the deceiver.

1019
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,160
Someone who is being deceptive or not telling the truth and things that is definitely active

1020
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:31,120
for me right now as I deal with all kinds of different lawsuits that I have.

1021
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:37,160
But I had to do so like I'm an eating fire survivor, my house burned down and we had to deal with

1022
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:44,320
all of that kind of people like using deceptive tactics and trying to see when people are lying.

1023
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,160
And then how do you deal with when you're being lied to?

1024
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,160
This is a big thing, right?

1025
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,760
Everyone's going to lie in some parts.

1026
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,000
Like even people that you love are going to lie to you, right?

1027
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,320
So I tried to view lies as someone's trying to protect something, right?

1028
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,640
So a lie and a deception is a protective defensive behavior.

1029
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:10,320
So instead of like taking it personally, again, we want to trans personalize it, depersonalize

1030
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,320
it.

1031
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,240
And when you can see and know someone's lying to you, you have to see, okay, what are they

1032
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,240
trying to protect?

1033
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,400
Trying to protect their money, they're trying to protect their stuff, but they're causing

1034
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,400
you harm.

1035
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,880
So I'm actively undergoing this as we speak.

1036
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,760
And then my future one is the levers, which I also call the nemesis.

1037
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:39,360
So it looks like I'll be engaging in relationship again sometime in the future and have to deal

1038
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:46,400
with that thin line between love and hate and learning how to deal with the kind of, you

1039
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,720
know, when we become intimate with someone, it's like enemies are intimacy as well.

1040
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:59,320
And having an enemy means that you are intimate with them and it's a, it's an emotional relationship

1041
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,320
that you engage in, like a lover.

1042
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,400
It's funny because I was just telling a friend of mine the other day that when people are

1043
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,920
my enemy, I feel like it's like they have a crush on me.

1044
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,920
Yes, yes.

1045
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:15,760
Because you know, you're like crushing on someone you hate them too, or it's like pushing

1046
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,320
you on the playground or like, you know, people pulling your ponytails or stuff like that.

1047
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:26,480
So there's something very erotic about having a nemesis, like there is a hundred percent

1048
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,480
intimacy to that.

1049
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,480
Yeah.

1050
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,480
It's Julia Sam.

1051
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,680
So, yeah, that's what I'll be dealing with.

1052
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,680
Yeah.

1053
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,920
Twenty, we will look at yours next if you like.

1054
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,600
Yeah, I love that.

1055
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,600
Sorry about earlier.

1056
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,160
My mic and camera didn't want to turn on.

1057
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,840
I could hear everything, but it was just like a ghost in the background.

1058
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,640
You were a shadow.

1059
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:54,240
Okay, past, present and future shadows for you.

1060
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Okay, let's see here.

1061
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,920
You got the same one as Arden on the final one, which is being bullied.

1062
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,960
So this is in your past position.

1063
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:10,680
So maybe you've had to deal with some bullies and figure out how to manage that energy,

1064
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,680
right?

1065
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:17,440
I couldn't possibly think of a reason why I might have been bullied in my past, but super weird.

1066
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,440
Yeah.

1067
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,240
No, always again, they're trying to take power, right?

1068
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,600
So when someone's bullying you, they don't have power and they see that you have power and

1069
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,920
they're trying to take it like your lunch money.

1070
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,240
The emperor, an emperor is a leader of a group of people, but they themselves don't have

1071
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,240
any power.

1072
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,400
They take it from all the people that are underneath them.

1073
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,720
Like, like a billionaire is an abilior, that's everyone else's money that they took, right?

1074
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,560
They don't have that money.

1075
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,880
That's everyone's money, right?

1076
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,600
So a bully is trying to control the collective to take their power because they don't have

1077
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:54,600
it.

1078
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,000
But everyone thinks they're powerful, right?

1079
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,160
You look at them and you're like, wow, you must have a lot of power.

1080
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,320
No, they don't.

1081
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,880
It's everybody else's power.

1082
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,880
Yeah.

1083
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,560
I think about that a lot because I'm in like the most confident phase I've ever been in

1084
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,080
before, like in these last few years.

1085
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:17,600
And like I say, like among my family or even among like my childhood friends, never would

1086
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:23,600
have thought I would have been the one to become anything because I was always not with intention

1087
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,600
from others.

1088
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,640
Sometimes it was just the way they happened to see me, but like I never had those interactions

1089
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,400
that made me think like, oh, yes, you are good at the things you do or like you have this

1090
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,800
potential.

1091
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:41,880
So I think, yeah, that was all my power being taken by others for any number of means, but

1092
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,040
like now that's been taken back.

1093
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,040
Yay.

1094
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,040
Good job.

1095
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,640
That's hard to get there.

1096
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:48,640
You have to give yourself.

1097
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,440
You have to give it to yourself, right?

1098
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,320
When you know what else around you have to be like, I am, you have to do the I am.

1099
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Yeah.

1100
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,080
That's so cool.

1101
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:03,280
Presently, you do seem to have some kind of stinker because we get the skate coat, which

1102
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,080
is like being blamed by other people for something that they did, right?

1103
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,320
Skateco is the double card and it's when it's again that someone conscious you in the face

1104
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,560
and then suzy for breaking their hand.

1105
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,320
So currently you want to be cautious of people placing blame upon you for stuff they are

1106
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,320
doing.

1107
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Okay.

1108
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,320
That.

1109
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:30,120
Yeah, that maybe hits in the more recent past, maybe situations that haven't had a formal

1110
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,240
resolution, just what I have like, I'm not going to engage with that, but okay.

1111
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,960
So if it helps, like sometimes it's validating to know, it's not you.

1112
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,680
They're trying to put blame on you because they won't take responsibility.

1113
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Hmm.

1114
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Okay.

1115
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,080
Thank you for the validation there.

1116
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,080
Yeah.

1117
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,040
It's pretty like any time the skate coat card comes up, it's pretty clear.

1118
01:04:54,040 --> 01:05:01,080
The third card that you get is seven of swords, which is the appropriation card in my deck.

1119
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,520
And it's when people are trying to take, I caution people in this card comes up because

1120
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,920
someone could be trying to take your intellectual properties or copy some of your ideas that

1121
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:11,920
you're putting out.

1122
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,320
So if you have like podcasts or talking about things, maybe you have a copycat out there

1123
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,360
somewhere that's trying to take some of your stuff, maybe that'll happen in the future.

1124
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,840
Whatever you have intellectual properties or stuff you're putting out, I mean in this day

1125
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,200
and age with the internet, like so many people are just copying and pasting, you know?

1126
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,720
So if you get a really good idea, you should protect it.

1127
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:33,720
Hmm.

1128
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:34,720
Okay.

1129
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,120
I do have a lot of creative projects ongoing in the future.

1130
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,120
Okay.

1131
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,560
So don't share them until they're published or protected.

1132
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,960
And if you do, like, this is a big mistake I made early on is because when you're creative,

1133
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,640
you just have ideas and you want to tell people and like share it and then ding-dongs will

1134
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,960
just take them and make it themselves.

1135
01:05:53,960 --> 01:06:00,200
So for that card, you do as your value of your intellectual properties rises, you want

1136
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:07,080
to make sure that they are protected in a way that will prevent people from thefting them.

1137
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,080
Okay.

1138
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Yeah.

1139
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,920
I'll be a little more tight-lipped about my projects and podcasts going forward on that.

1140
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,520
Wait till it comes out and then talk about it.

1141
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Yeah.

1142
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,520
Okay.

1143
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,360
Tomi, do you want to go ahead and ask your question of maja to wrap up our episode?

1144
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,360
Yeah.

1145
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,240
So your first work that I was aware of was the Witches Beastie-Ary.

1146
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,160
And I know it's been a number of years since that came out.

1147
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:39,520
And I'm curious if in that time since it's a original publication, like, are there any

1148
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,760
other creatures that you've either encountered or heard about from others that like you

1149
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,440
really wish could be in a future edition of that book?

1150
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,080
Oh, I love that question.

1151
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:57,120
In fact, I did pitch another book, which never got picked up, but it was for identifying

1152
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,280
interdimensional creatures.

1153
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,160
So I really wanted to make another beastie-Ary that was all about not just mythological

1154
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,720
creatures, but interdimensional beings and entities that people run into.

1155
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:15,240
Because as I was doing a lot of my cycle pumping and kind of like, shaman work, you run into

1156
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:21,120
these entities, beings, deities that are on these kind of other levels.

1157
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:28,000
So I wanted to make a whole nother book of those creatures that we come across, you know,

1158
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,800
especially doing like power plant rituals or even just meditations, visualizations, there's

1159
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,520
all kinds of, it's like we're in an ocean with all these creatures floating around all

1160
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over the place.

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It's wild.

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When you shift your perception, you can see them.

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It's like, oh, no, what is this?

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So like are we talking about like the common ones people see on DMT, like the machine elves

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and the mantis people are older.

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Sure, some of those, but as you get into like visionary journey, is I'll see these like

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jellyfish looking ones.

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Oh, like, silver blobs.

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There are, they're like, lobs, but they even have like tendril, they, I don't know how

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else to describe it, but it looks like jellyfish, it just as an example.

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So like, I feel like there's ones that even surpass the DMT peeps that I've encountered,

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then a lot of insecty looking ones, like very praying mantis kind of vibe that I've seen

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on people too.

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So there's a lot more I would like to give to.

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I thought that would be a fun book to do, but I don't know, maybe someday.

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I will look forward to it.

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And especially now knowing that you did all the art for both the Witches Beast here and

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the new deck, like I want to see your artistic attempts at translating some of these interdimensional

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beings into a book.

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I think it would be really fun.

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Yeah.

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I'll look forward to it too.

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Thank you again so much, Maja.

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This has been such a fun conversation.

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I know it's been helpful and enlightening for me and I hope it's been helpful for those who

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are also listening out there.

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Go and check out Maja's work.

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Maja is there anything else that you would like to share in terms of where people can find

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you or what they should look forward to?

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Oh, sure.

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I'm just on WitchOfTheDawn.com.

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I'm not on social media anymore.

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I don't know if everyone wants to know that drama, but I help a lot of people, okay?

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And they began tracking my messages because people will talk to me about things they're

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doing that are legal, but they're really like, there was, and I just help people.

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You know what I mean?

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But they were then seeing things people would send me and my private messages on Instagram

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and Facebook and then retaliate against the people.

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So like if someone was in a state where abortion is illegal and they're contacting me, you

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try to get help the fucking authorities are looking into like then using that information

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against the person that's listening to me for help.

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So I'm like, wow, just wow.

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So I was like, uh, uh.

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And so I immediately left.

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I also, there was like some other stuff too.

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I know there was, I was just like kind of huffy when I left because I was like, this is

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so dumb.

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But yeah, not do you, I remember your grad exit.

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Congratulations to people that are, I think it's like whatever it can be a really good tool,

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but for me, I was just so frustrated with it that I didn't need it.

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And I will say as I reconnect with people and I go through synchronicity and flow, I mean,

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I have like not suffered from it at all.

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In fact, I reconnect better with people.

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I talk to human beings, you know, my business is doing great.

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So you don't need to be on social media.

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I know they try to make you think you need a middleman in order to navigate humanity.

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This is not true.

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We have our hearts and those can beam out like lighthouses to each other.

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So not on social media, sorry, but you can contact me from my website.

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My email is magia@goddismiboyfriend.com.

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Yay.

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Thank you so much, magia.

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This has been such a fun conversation.

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Thank you everyone who tuned into this episode and gave it a listen.

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I hope that you go and do some shadow work.

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Go buy the shadow, see your tarot, pull some cards, read yourself for filth.

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And of course, go forth and repattern.

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Thank you everyone.

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We'll see you next time.

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