And so shadow work is really about raising our perceptual awareness as human beings.
So it has a consequence of unleashing this kind of explosive effect where you comment
realizations, almost like a psychedelic trip, where as you raise your ability to see things
in yourself, other in the natural world, you actually gain enlightenment for lack of a better
word.
Shadow work going into the dark leads to enlightenment.
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You guys, I am so excited about today's conversation.
I am such a fan of today's guest.
Her name is Maja D'Aoust and she is a staple in the Los Angeles esoteric community.
When I first moved to Los Angeles, gosh, I guess over a decade ago now, and I began my own
process of what one might call a spiritual awakening.
Maja's lectures that she often gives in person, but she also had on her YouTube at that time.
Maja's lectures, I would listen to them and my mind would be absolutely blown.
And to this day, whenever I encounter her work, I'm always just so lit on fire by her inquisitive
and curious nature and the way that she dives so deeply into the topics that she's studying.
So I'm going to share with you a little bit about her background.
She is a practicing witch and a scholar of alchemy and esoteric science.
She also goes by the name The Witch of the Dawn.
She has her bachelor's in biochemistry and her master's in transformational psychology.
And she is the author of several books, including A Witches Be Sterey, which is the one that
I own right here.
If you're watching on video, you can see how shiny the cover is.
It also features her really gorgeous artwork too, as much of her books and tarot decks
also do.
She's also the author of the occult etching, familiars in witchcraft and astrology of the
shadow self.
And she's also the author of The White Witch Tarot Deck and her latest release, The Shadow
Seer Tarot, which is the one that I have with me today.
And she was so generous as to send me a copy of it before our conversation today.
I've been looking through it.
I haven't pulled from it yet because I'm waiting for today's conversation to do my very
first poll.
So, Maja, thank you so much for joining me today.
I'm so excited to chat with you.
It's always a pleasure chatting with you, Arden.
I'm so stoked to be on your show today.
I love all our conversations.
It's always so fun.
It's been nine years now since we've had a conversation in public.
So if you guys enjoy this, if you want to see where Maja and I were nine years ago, you
can also look on YouTube for peace talks, our conversation.
Just put in both of our names and peace talks and you'll find it.
We had that one too.
And I'm really excited to talk today about shadow work.
This feels like such a necessary topic in our current cultural climate in our communities
on the global stage in our interpersonal relationships.
And it's also something that I feel like is a term that gets thrown around a lot, especially
in spiritual communities, kind of loosely.
So I wanted to start with, why don't you share with us what your definition of shadow work
is and what your approach to it is?
Yes.
Thank you so much, Arden.
Shadow work has become kind of pop culture because there's quite a few shadow work journals
out there that got very famous on TikTok, which is great, like spread the word, like everybody
really needs to do shadow work.
It's a necessity for humanity in my personal opinion.
But shadow work means that we have confrontations with our dark side.
The best way I could describe it is kind of like when Luke Skywalker goes and sees the
Darth Vader face as his own, you know, is like the best image I could describe it with.
But most people in pop culture know about it through Carl Jung, working with psychology
that we end also, Sigmund Freud, that there's this part of our ego that likes to hide.
All the things that we don't like about ourselves from our conscious mind.
So the shadow from their definition is kind of like all the parts of yourself that are
unpleasant that you don't really want to admit that you do so we project them onto other
people.
However, I like to have a broader definition of shadow because it's literally the unconscious.
And I feel like a lot of people in pop culture are defining that as their unconscious, right?
Like from their childhood or their family, their personal experiences.
This is an egoic interpretation, which is very shadow laden to think that you own the
unconscious.
I like to look at it from the unconscious, right?
So in terms of a much broader perspective of nature, of our bodies, of hidden material,
of like even on like a physics level, shadow work is going to be work that we do that raises
our perceptual awareness to things that we cannot perceive.
So that's a much broader definition, but I came to this definition after working with Dr.
Kelvin DeWolf, who is a Mick Mack, Native American, and a lot of the shamanic work that he
does is about getting into and access to the unconscious of not only ourselves, but of
nature, of outer space, of matter in general.
And so shadow work is really about raising our perceptual awareness as human beings.
So it has a consequence of unleashing this like kind of explosive effect where you come
into realizations, almost like a psychedelic trip, where as you raise your ability to see
things in yourself, other in the natural world, you actually gain enlightenment for lack
of a better word.
So shadow work going into the dark leads to enlightenment.
I also really loved your comparison in your shadow, seer talk.
And I still to this day in week two of the Re-Patterning Project, which is the eight week course
that I teach on Re-Patterning.
For those of you listening, I am at this time of your listening to this podcast.
I'm probably opening enrollment for the next round.
So if you're interested, you can learn more at the repatterningproject.com.
But in week two, the week two lecture, when I talk about shadow work, your definition from
your shadows, see your lecture on YouTube from back in the day is still the one that I
use.
And of course, I credit you with that.
And I love how you talk about the shadow being like the dark side of the moon and the
fact that the moon, we always see the same face in the moon, like the man in the moon,
because your analogy was that the moon is so in love with the sea that it always is
gazing at the sea.
So when it turns, like the moon doesn't turn on an axis, we're always seeing the same face.
So we've never seen until, of course, very recently, when we finally got photos from the
Artemis expedition, I feel like that's actually like, it's kind of, that's probably like a
cultural thing that is happening.
The fact that like we are now seeing the dark side of the moon, like at this point,
in our global industry.
Well, yeah, exactly.
Like we were literally seeing that shadow.
But I love that because basically what you say about that is like the shadow is the part
that we can't see.
It's the part that is beyond our awareness.
Our current awareness, right?
It's, I feel like humans have forgotten how large our perceptive abilities are because
we've been sort of downtrained and muffled and muddied, right?
So we're not.
And now we're like using all this tech, which of course is great like use tech, but your
sensory perceptive ability, like I can think of someone in those texts to me, like I don't,
you know, I can think of someone and there's a connection.
So I feel like part of the damage the tech is doing is we're forgetting our connections
to each other that are natural and intimate that already exists without the need for tech.
So I encourage people to explore their ability to open their perceptions and engage in connection
in that way.
Because that's also a part of what shadow work provides is as we kind of go through all
these levels and pop them open, we can perceive just a lot more of like the natural word,
we can have senses, we can sense when something is going on or what's happening with someone
or how does something feel?
You know, we have our, our own internal mechanisms to do these things.
Yeah, instead of just like asking chat GPT, right?
Exactly.
So I'm going to you, what do you feel?
What do you think?
How does this, what are you, what are you, what are you sensed about this?
You know?
Yeah, I agree 100%.
I think that what's really tough about trying to teach shadow work for me anyway is that
inherently it involves awakening to things which we can't currently see.
And so it's so hard to tell people like, you know, it's that Dunning Kruger effect.
Like we don't know what we don't know.
So I'm curious, what are some of the ways, what are like tips or strategies that you have
or that you teach for helping people to open up to that which they can't presently see
about themselves in the world?
Well, there's a really easy way.
So I'm kind of a cheater because I always take the easy way because I'm lazy.
So we project our shadow.
We can't see it on ourselves.
So we throw it on other people.
So the best way you can do shadow work is look at what, what are you hating about the other
person?
So it's a little bit like twin flame work in that way where you, the best way to get access
to your shadow is look at what you're projecting onto the world.
What is your worldview?
What do you think?
These are your shadows.
They belong to you, not the other person.
And even if they do, like everything belongs to everyone.
So I think it's really important to depersonalize shadow like rather than targeting individuals.
I feel like that's like blaming someone because they pee.
Like everybody has a shadow.
So if you want to know what yours is, look at how you're viewing people.
You know, like this is not something unique.
Like we can get upset and there is accountability if somebody is like violent or expressing
a very negative behavior.
Like animals kill each other.
We live in nature.
Like there's a lot of death.
There's a lot of harm.
It's egoic to assume responsibility or place blame on an individual for a natural behavior.
Like we got to get it together.
We got to raise this up into our awareness and understand how nature works and stop trying
to blame individuals.
Like we're literally raising people's egos up by giving them that much power that this
belongs to them.
No, we have to start perceiving shadow as shadow and not as individuals.
I've always wondered how do you find the distinction between like sometimes I like I absolutely
agree.
Like if there's something about someone else that is annoying me or that I'm getting activated
by oftentimes, I notice it's like, oh, that's a part of myself that I'm disowning or that
I'm not actually giving permission.
Like for example, so many people were like triggered by Madonna's recent performance at Coachella.
Like, oh, she's too old to be doing that.
And it's like, no, actually you just never gave yourself permission to keep being sexy
or you're a man who doesn't like the fact that like this performance wasn't about you
for whatever reason.
And I think that's definitely legit.
But I also think like there's sometimes where especially in spiritual communities and like,
I'll just say it like especially in Southern California with all this like new age spirituality
where people will be like, oh, well, if you don't like this harmful behavior about that person,
that's just your shadow or whatever.
So, you draw the line with that, right?
That's a really good point.
And I'm really glad you brought that up.
I talk about that in my astrology shadow book.
Oh, this is not like a victim blaming, right?
Where it's like, oh, you got a problem with this?
No, there is a offensive negative behavior that individuals are responsible and accountable
for.
Does that mean that that individual owns that?
Like, no, just like we all pee and poop, like, this is something that happens.
So we can't individualize it, right?
So, and if we're going to look at what bothers us, does that mean it's our shadow?
No, it's shadow, right?
Not yours, not theirs.
That's the difference.
So what you're talking about is if we take on that thing we're seeing as offending us as
our problem, this is not what I'm stating at all.
What I'm stating is that's how you see and recognize shadow behavior, if that makes sense.
Listen, breaking this habit of personalizing everything is going to be the hardest part
of shadow work.
We want to make everything about an ego.
We want to make it about that person and us.
That is going to be a very difficult paradigm to release, thinking that if we see a shadow
behavior in us, that it's, that means we're bad or that we are flawed in some way or that
we should have guilt or shame because we did this negative behavior, right?
It's like being a shame that you have to pee.
This, we really have to break through that boundary and see shadow behavior is not belonging
to anyone, but as present in our reality.
And then deal with it from there with accountability, responsibility, discourse, dialogue, like all
of these kinds of things, we cannot personalize it to our own subconscious or experience.
I'm so curious like in a hypothetical scenario, because I know there are so many women in communities
that I've been who deal with this from like, you know, those kind of like new age burning
manbrows who were like, oh, well, if you're upset about this, then that's just something
about you or whatever, like, I don't curious, how would you respond to that hypothetical
man? Like I would love the template to give to, to give to win to everyone, honestly, who
has that sort of argument made toward them.
Right.
So, for example, if let's say the, the dude bro did an offensive remark that was directed
to my person, right?
So this is what they, they do this technique, which is called Darvo, right?
They do, it's like someone that punches you in the face and then sues you for breaking
their hand.
This is what I like to call it the reverseo-changeo, right?
So they're actually the offender and they're trying to make you be the problem because you
are holding that offense, right?
So again, say this, the whole podcast, I'll be like a broken record, depersonalization
and transpersonalization of the issue is absolutely key.
They're trying to neg you by activating your ego response, right?
They're using weaponized shame to get you to do it.
So you can't play that game.
You cannot be like, nah, it's you are the one that's doing it.
You have to identify the behavior and then you can ask them, well, like I feel like that
thing is toxic, dangerous and offensive.
You can't make it about you and you can't make it about them.
You have to make it about the actual thing, right?
Too often we're going to experience an offense and we're going to make it about us and them
and then it turns into us versus them and now this is where war happens because somebody
did an offense.
And so now it's like gets into you and me and people get a case of the you use and the
me meets, right?
So we have to address the thing that occurred but depersonalize it and then allow for accountability,
acknowledgement, right, and discussion about the event that was offensive.
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that too because I love how you guys, I was just saying to
Maja before we started recording that the essay that she has as the introduction of the
Shadow Sea or tarot is so incredibly brilliant and mind blowing and the fact that it's
like the intro to a tarot deck.
And again, I expect no less of Maja, but it's so funny.
Like, I feel like it should be required reading for everyone.
And what I love especially about it is that you talk about how all of our shadow behaviors
essentially come from unmet needs, like anything.
And this is also something that I teach in the Re-Patterning project.
Like the way that I talk about it is that all behavior is motivated.
Every strategy has a legitimate underlying need beneath it.
And oftentimes what we're doing is not the right strategy to meet that need.
But if we make the need conscious and we think about, well, how should I actually meet this
need?
That is essentially like how we repattern.
It was we choose a better strategy to actually sustainably, holistically meet that underlying
need.
And so a lot of people will do harmful behaviors to one another that are coming from these
deeper unmet needs that they're not acknowledging.
And as you said, that's how we have war, that's how we have conflict, that's how we have
harm, that's how we have assault and harm in community and things like that.
And I'm actually like, I'm currently dealing with some community harm that happened to me
and was enabled in community.
So this is something that is very present for me right now.
And I'm a magician.
So for me, like I just go and I do a justice spell because I know I'm in the right, I know I'm
on the right side.
And like one of the things that my spirits have been counseling me on is the line between
justice and retribution, which you also touch on.
One of the things that they were very clear about to me is they were like, look, you're
not as powerless as you used to be.
So yes, you should be getting justice and bringing this entire situation into alignment.
And that is very good.
But they were like specifically like I was divining on like, oh, what's going to happen
to this person now?
And they were like, you know, they were like, you're being a little too shodden for right
about this.
And I'm like, well, no one sees me.
And they're like the Acasic Record sees you are in.
Except for your shot.
And I'm like, okay, fine, okay, I'll cast a spell on myself.
I have all the compassionate leadership I need for this new level of spiritual power
I'm ascending into.
And that's how I deal with that.
Yeah, but it's something I'm thinking about a lot is where is the line because we're
seeing this play out in like global politics, too, right?
We see everywhere.
Yeah, right?
With the conflict with Israel, like we have people who, you know, just a couple generations
ago were victims of incredible harm.
And now they're doing the same harm to others.
And I don't want to end up like that.
So where do you find that line between making things right versus lashing out from a place
of perceived helplessness and actually doing more harm in the process?
Yes, it's really important.
And to that, I really have to give it over to the indigenous folks that are doing restorative
justice.
So this is really important.
And I think everyone should go and look at the indigenous sources for restorative justice,
which by its nature is trying to fix men, you know, they're not trying to destroy the offender,
which is what you're talking about with all of the conflict.
Like if we destroy the offender, that's like Batman killing the Joker, you know, like we
have to be able to have the accountability and justice, but without doing the same wrong
that was done to us, which is retribution, right?
Retaliation.
And then it just causes a cycle of violence that never ends.
But how are we going to have the strength as a victim to not do that?
If somebody messed with my family, I will go kill them.
You know what I mean?
Like if they damaged or murdered my family, how are you going to have the strength to not
do that?
So that's not realistic.
So we have to really figure out how are we going to deal with these like extreme severe
defense mechanisms that we have, which is going to be retaliatory because you can't help
it.
And depending on the situation and how egregious the offenses, like from everything to murder,
to genocide.
Like you can't expect people to do nothing.
Like, that's not realistic.
So how you're going to need third parties to do restorative justice.
If you are the victim of something, you need to get help.
The problem is our justice system is so just like barf.
Like you can't, it's going to take 20 years.
You can't do anything.
No one believes you.
If someone did commit, you're wearing.
You have to get the DA to press the charges and to do that, you have to get so much evidence.
And if someone with a reputation or something getting the DA to even believe that there was
a crime, they've been through this with a lot of my clients that have suffered egregious
offenses.
And then they try to go through the justice system and they're just like, there's nothing
you can do.
So it's like no wonder vigilanteism is popular.
You know, like what do you, if you can't go through third parties that you're the victim
of an offense, how are you supposed to be non retaliatory?
This is like, this is where we're stuck.
We have to assist people that are going through this and we have to as communities assist
people with restorative justice because the victim of the offense will not be able to.
The offender is going to Darvo, how to present.
If you try to address it with an offender, they're going to get defensive and then aggressive
towards you.
Anytime you eat, whether it's your family member, if your family member calls an offense
and you're like, hey, dude, like you broke my thing and they're going to be like, fuck you.
Like you're not, you don't even know that.
And then just like the torrent of toxic garbage, right?
So you have to really understand this is why we need to know shadow.
That is going to happen, right?
You have to engage restorative justice techniques.
You have to ask for help, right?
Like you doing a spell like when we're magicians, we go to spirit.
Like a lot of my friends will be like, who do you go to do when you need help?
I'm like, that's why I've been with which, dude.
Like, I don't deal with y'all.
Like, that's, I already figured out it's not going to work with you guys.
So I go, like, I go up.
So going into higher powers is a way to do it.
That's how I do it.
But then we also do have to deal with stuff like on the ground, on the real level.
And so that's why I do my services to try to assist and counsel people for like, I view
myself as a spiritual lawyer.
Like I do, I practice spiritual law where I try to advocate for people who have been victims
and sometimes offenders to try to get some kind of restorative justice where we don't
try to destroy each other.
But we try to find some way for that accountability.
Like I have a lot of people now are calling people's parents.
This is a way.
So if you have like a partner who's being abusive or doing terrible things, go talk to their
family.
Like, go talk to like other people that they're close to.
Like get, get us circled, not against them, but to try to raise awareness to this kind
of behavior and get some kind of advocacy.
But I mean, look, if someone's doing violent, abusive behavior towards you or like in community,
like, I don't know what you're experiencing, but you got to rally the troops.
You got to speak up.
You got to say what happened.
You have to ask for like apologies.
You have to be like, hey, this was my experience of what happened.
I think it was kind of sucked.
Like, you want to, was there something you wanted to like explain about this behavior, right?
But you might not be able to do that if you're the victim.
So you might need to ask somebody else to advocate for you.
Yeah.
I mean, for me, you know, that was actually another thing I was going to ask you about your
opinions on reversal magic.
Yeah.
For me, like reversal magic is just like, I find, I find it to be within my own personal
ethics because it's like, if you were going to do that thing to me, I have no problem reversing
it and sending it back to you.
And the thing that I like to explain about reversal magic, as I understand it, as my
experience of explaining it to me, it's not just like, oh, I reverse it and nothing happened.
It's actually like the magic happens to the other person who was sending it to you.
If you're returning to send her.
It's like, if I have $10 and you do like a star stealing spell on me to steal five of my
dollars, now not only do I get my five dollars back, but I also get five of your dollars now
too.
Now I have $15.
So there are sometimes where I'm like, I love being attacked because it's like getting
free money from the government.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm like, I just end up better off than, you know, than where I was before.
There are sometimes where I'm like, I'm not going to stop that person attacking me
because I do better and better.
Each time, each time I do.
It's funny.
A lot of people steal my stuff or copy my stuff or say stuff that I said and I'm like, oh,
that's great.
I just got more of an army in the underworld of dum-dums that are like now under my intelligence
is rule, right?
Right.
So many people.
I'm now your dominant and your Damon and your shadow have been cheated out of their
own destiny and now you're under your part of my bitch army.
So sorry, but like, you don't understand.
Like, when you do that behavior to someone, you're actually sacrificing your own sovereignty
because you're taking what is someone else's when you, you have your own stuff.
Like, what are you doing?
You know, so it just is like dumb in my opinion.
People say, oh, steal that person's glamor or whatever.
I'm like, you just like diminished your whole vibe, dude, like not Empress style.
But I feel like when people don't know, this is the problem, right?
They're ignorant that this behavior has those kinds of consequences and they're still
going to like engage in it.
Like you can do reversal magic where it's the basic, like just, I'm rubber and you're
a glue, anything you do to me gets back to you.
Like that's like basic school yard stuff, right?
Where it's, you can just use the karma rule for that and it works like karma is real.
Like, it's not hard.
When it gets retributional, you take a karmic hit.
So when it's all balanced, right?
In a homeostasis.
So we're permitted to do defense, right?
Like, I'm a really big self-defense advocate.
I've taught free self-defense classes to people.
I do martial arts, like I have for, I don't even know, like 30 years since I was in my 20s.
So we have to defend ourselves.
You can't just, spirit doesn't want us to just be martyrs and like take it.
Like there's a lot of spiritual bypassing, which is happening, which is like, oh, just forgive
the person, which we do need forgiveness and ablution.
Like I'm grateful for Mercy.
Mercy has shown on me many times.
But if there is a series of fence, you can't just shove it into the rug and permit someone
to be abusive to yourself and to other people.
Like so then it gets really sketchy.
Like they need to learn the lessons that you can't just go around punching everybody in
the face.
Like somebody's got to say something and you can't permit it.
And it's really uncomfortable to tell someone, hey, you got to quit hitting people in the
face because then they're going to try to hate you in the face as soon as you ask them
not to do that.
So trying to find ways to bring I write in the in the deck book and in my astrology book,
the first thing you can expect when you try to raise shadow behavior to anyone's awareness,
including your own, is that your ego will defend itself to the bitter end.
So we have to find ways to get in there.
Obviously magic goes around the back door so you don't have to have the confrontation,
right?
So doing magic and doing those kind of reversal spells is very non-confrontational but uses
the energy to accomplish the jobs that you don't have to like deal with their face, right?
I get confrontation, although that's so as I age, I have to say, but like if somebody does
something and I don't like it, I'm going to be like, I don't know me.
Or I'll just yell at people if they are abusive on the street or if people, because I get,
you know, approached a lot still, I don't know why I'm like a grandma practically, but
people are still like cat call me and stuff and I'm just like, I get aggressive, you know?
So, but maybe we don't always need to do that.
It depends on kind of like your style and what you feel comfortable with.
But if you go over the top, if you go over the offense, now you take a karmic hit for
attacking the offender.
So that sucks too, you know?
That's the funny thing to me too is that so many occultists won't even, like they won't
even warn you, you know?
Like they'll just, and like, I feel like I'm being the nice person by being like, hey, I
know what you're doing, stop that.
Or else I'm gonna, and I feel like people also underestimate us, you know?
I think probably people like air, no, I'm just like, it's done.
Like now you're in my bitch are we?
Exactly.
Okay.
All of this, all of this behavior that we're talking about, even with magicians, stands
from a lack of awareness and perception, which if you do shadow work, you're gonna see
all that stuff.
To me, I'm just so bored of people behaving under these levels and in like, under rocks,
kind of like parasitic weirdos.
And I'm like, I want better for you.
Like I want you to rise up.
I want you to glow.
I want you to shine.
Like this is so boring to see you slither around through the shadows.
Like I wish that people would just really raise their awareness to the behaviors and see
the toll that it's taking on their consciousness and keeping them under the ground, underground.
And we want better for the collective too, because like everyone benefits when,
That's right.
Each individual is on the path of their true will, right?
Of their Dharma.
The thing that they are meant to do their own, their own personalized glow up.
And we all thought, so yeah, I'm right there on that page with you.
But then it's like, what is your action that you do when you're receiving this energy from,
when you're receiving shadow behavior from a person, right?
Right.
What does need to do it?
What do you think about the idea of like, like at the very end of the animated series,
Avatar, The Last Airbender, which like, I'm sure you've seen that, right?
Great.
You have.
It's the East for three.
It's great.
It's so, so good.
And at the very end, Ang the Avatar is confronting an enemy and he ends up taking away the enemy's
bending powers.
He's basically like, you're abusing these powers.
I'm not going to kill you.
I'm not going to hurt you.
But I often think of myself and like, maybe it's my autistic over compassion because I couldn't
see myself like, you know, being someone who is creating heart.
But if I couldn't see myself and that's room for shadows, so I don't know, maybe one
day I was.
I think so.
I think you are.
I think you're a hero.
Yes.
Exactly.
Right.
So if someone did that to me and was like, well, I don't like what you're doing with your
magic, so you're going to take it away from you.
Like that was a good God.
Like, I mean, hopefully no one would be able to, hopefully my spirits would be like that
is unjust.
We're giving our back her magic.
But yeah, like you think.
You can judge, right?
The judge.
Exactly.
The judgment is a card in my deck.
Like you can't, you're going to think you can judge unless you know someone wound to
you.
You don't know that like you don't, you don't know everything and people deserve forgiveness
too.
So this is rough.
Everyone's going to get really mad that I say this.
You could murder a bunch of people, be a veteran and killed lots of people.
Like you can do those things and still be redeemed.
Yeah.
So I believe that 100%.
We can still be good at helping people, even if we've done terrible things.
That's a big paradox for people to hold.
So when we do the justice, retribution and judgment, like you have to do the restorative
justice means, are you just going to throw this person away if they can still like perform
better, even if it might take like some rehabilitation or some work.
Yes, there are people that we can't be like Dululu.
Some people will not change.
Like you can't keep releasing, you know, child abusers out of prison and think they're
cool, right?
Right.
Because that's then they're going to continue the offense.
So it comes back to this thing they were talking about, like with what point do you do that
to somebody?
Then I mean, you know, we get into the whole thing of prisons and how do we deal with this?
And then we get world leaders that are abusive.
They always just seem to get assassinated, but then they just get replaced by other abusers.
So it's like, it's a hot mess.
And I don't feel like I claim to have a solution.
My solution is to raise awareness to it.
That's all I got guys, but I feel like it's pretty good.
If we can raise awareness to see, identify and perceive shadow, that's where I think we'll
make some progress.
I don't know.
I have some suggestions for dealing with shadows, but this is a big thing that we're not
going to be able to like get rid of, right?
So we can't.
And that's where we also need to be compassionate and have mercy on ourselves and others.
We have to see that shadow is gigantic and exists in nature.
It's not about us.
So as humans, we, if we can't see it, we're, we're screwed.
Like we have to really, I think at least the beginning point is to work on the perceptive
raising of awareness so that we can get a handle on it.
Yeah.
That's, I think what's difficult for me is, and I guess,
on a personal level, I tend to leave it up to my spirits, you know, because I think they
can see, they can see the situation, but yeah, they can see more than I can.
But it's hard for me sometimes to be like, well, where is the line between, you know, who,
who do I cancel versus who do I rehabilitate?
You know, that's been something that has been a real struggle for me because I do have
compassion for people.
And there are times where it's like, no, this person actually needs to be taken out of
those positions of power because they've been carrying on these ongoing patterns
of harm and exploitation.
This person on the other hand is a walking, done in Krueger effect and they may be just
very aggressively be shown their shadow and be kind of like, you know, have that reflected
to them until they can no longer ignore it, which is aggressive.
And maybe that person won't like that experience very much, but it's very different from canceling
a person or from removing them from those positions.
I think education and dialogue is what's needed, but that's like labor, you know, so like,
I said before, the victims can't be expected to do that labor.
So they need to be educated.
And that's why like I made the deck is because people have to know this stuff.
Like if you don't know, you don't know.
And so I'm trying to get it in to people's face to be like, hey, guess what?
Everyone is getting this for Christmas this year.
We don't, we're not getting educated in emotional intelligence and understanding negative
behaviors because nobody wants to talk about it.
Nobody wants to pretend we don't have to do sex ed and no one's going to have sex.
This is incorrect, right?
Turns out like if you don't teach people about how to have sex, they're not going to not do
it.
Like so we had, there's no choice anymore except to give people emotional education, 100%.
And all they're doing is removing the humanities, which is the main source of emotional education.
And even that is not straightforward enough.
People are getting that emotional education through humanities courses, which are metaphors,
allegories, novels, examples, but the children, it's their two thick, like they don't get it.
Like we need to really just be like listen, here's what you're going to have happen.
You're going to get triggered.
You're going to feel bad.
Don't get caught in guilt and shame.
Like look at what?
Who's going to be violent?
Get to know if you try to hold someone accountable.
What they're going to do.
They're going to steal your shit.
They're going to try to rape you.
Like you need to know these things.
You do though.
You do.
Yeah.
So one of the things I love that you also said in the intro, essay to the deck is this idea
that imagining that we can have a community of people and that they're not going to act
out of their shadow behaviors is like throwing an event at a venue that doesn't have any
bathrooms.
Listen, this is so good.
You can't keep that dumb, you know?
Like you can't go in and think because it's a spiritual event that there's no rapist
there.
Like that is not not good.
Like you have to not like be paranoid or anything, but it's about having your perceptive
awareness around you and you can still trust people, but it's about learning how are
we going to perceive these shadows present in individuals and in the world, you know,
so that you don't show up at landmark and get recruited for a cult.
Oh, God.
That's like, being out at the door saying like, hey, like this, we got some other stuff,
right?
So we have to get smarter, man.
Yeah, man.
And do you remember the Cloak and Dagger party in Los Angeles, naturally, right?
Do you remember?
And you were you around, were you around at the time when it got like not shut?
Well, it wasn't technically, it wasn't shut down.
It was actually the two men who were throwing the party shut it down because the members
of the party were reflecting their shadow to them.
And they couldn't handle it.
So they stopped.
I think of that often like when I think of shadow in community.
And the funny thing about that is that, you know, then like six months later.
So for anyone like who's who's listening, by the way, Maja and I used to go to a
party sometimes called Cloak and Dagger that was in Hollywood.
It was a members only party and it was honestly, there were a lot of really amazing and wonderful
things about that party because like, of course, like when you have a community like that,
there are going to be those those ones.
And at any time you have that, you're going to have shadow as well.
And unfortunately, in every community, right?
And last one, every community, every race, every country, every neighborhood, every family.
Guess what?
Yep.
There, like there, there it is.
And unfortunately, you know, the the two men who ran that party, it was brought to their
attention that there was harm going on with them that party that they were enabling.
And they maybe they didn't even mean to, you know, I'm really still firmly on the side
of like those people were, were really ignorant of their shadow again, like walking,
done in Krueger effect.
And that's not an excuse, you know, but it is different from someone who is intentionally
harming.
Correct.
And in ability to look at themselves meant that like six months later, there was an article
in the LA Times that came out and was like, Hey, here's, there's what they're doing.
And I'm talking years that I spent with, you know, at least one of them being like, Hey,
you want to look at this?
You want to look at this?
And they're like, No, they were lying.
And they were, you know, that's not what happened.
And that's like, maybe that's not how you remember some of it, but like you are not, you
are not the sole arbiter on like other people's experiences.
You have to let in all perspectives.
So yeah, there's going to be a lot of people who are going to get this deck for Christmas
this year.
That's a perfect example of how our ego will defend itself and it naturally will just
like, you will naturally defend yourself.
You know what I mean?
That's just, I mean, depending on your root response, if you have a fond response, like
maybe not, right?
But most people are going to have a natural response to defend themselves and you can't,
you can't get around that.
Like you have to understand that that's going to happen.
And so then it's going to be like, are you going to battle this person's ego?
Are you going to figure out how are you going to deal with ego because ego is there and
everybody has it?
And I don't care who you are.
It's going to be there and you're going to meet with this behavior in every single circumstance.
So we have to really understand that for you.
Like it's, you become like you're trying to like get into this person and open them
because I assume like you had a relationship with them or you care about them or they're
your friend.
So you're trying to help them.
And this is what we would do with any friend that had a problem.
Like if our friend had a drinking problem, we're going to try to like bring it up into
their awareness and then meet with that defense too.
So these skills are very important to like, so we can help people we care about as well,
not just in this way to like punish offenders or deal with offenders.
This is about caring about our communities.
Yeah, and I'll also say like as a recovering fawn like fawn was my main trauma response
and it's still like informed some of my behaviors to this day.
I'll even say that the fawn response itself is still egoic because we are still attempting
to conform to what we think is acceptable by faunting.
So I can shove my shadow even farther under there by being like someone's like, oh,
you need, oh, I need to do, okay, well, then I'll just, I'll just be the way that you want
me to be.
Like that still also creates shadow.
So even like even even even a fawn can't get a scale and cute.
Like we just start like, you know, we just get it scared and it's a scary world.
People die and terrible things happen.
So we just just humans are going to have these ways, you know, that we are going to try
to deal with that.
And that's just, it's what's going to happen.
So I definitely want to, you guys, I'm going to use this conversation as an opportunity
to do a poll from Maja's new deck for the first time.
I've been looking at it, but I have not yet pulled from myself from it.
We're going to do a little bit of shadow polls here.
But before I do that, Maja, I just, I would love for you to talk a little bit about how
this deck, talk about like the darker types that you use.
I love this.
Like I'm just going to pull up the first card here, like the first card in the tarot is
the fool.
And so it's labeled as the fool if you're watching on the video, you can see it, but the shadow
of the fool is hubris, right?
It's like that taking the journey, but you're, you're overconfident.
You know, you think you know everything like when you, when you don't at the start of that
journey.
So share a little bit about the darker types of your deck, Maja, and what we can learn
from them, how we can start to see our shadow better by using it.
Yes.
So everything is an inversion, right?
So the way that I kind of view shadows, it's, it's your anti-Christ, basically.
And that I write about in the astrology shadow book is that, because I figured out that
you can make an astrology shadow chart.
And I learned this because I had spent so much time with the e-ching and flipping hexagrams
that if you flip your natal chart, that's an inversion and that creates a shadow chart
of everything you are not, which is why, so the inversion of the cards, so like everything
is like the opposite thing that it is, right?
We both simultaneously because we live in duality.
So you're you and not you.
We all have a self and an anti-self.
This is correct.
We are alive, but we're also dead because time, very twin flamey.
So it's how paradox and reality works, right?
So for example, I have like page of ones is the avoidant, right?
Oh my gosh.
It's like going on a trip and leaving somewhere, but the opposite is that is that they're
avoiding doing something, right?
So all of the darketypes are the inversion of the traditional tarot archetype.
And you can kind of really get the whole picture by also including the anti version of something.
So if I think, oh, Arden is, you know, this and is that and is that.
If I also include all the things you're not, then we get contrast and suddenly everything
gets filled out.
And becomes more visible through contrast.
That's how duality works, right?
If we can see dark, we have to see dark.
You have to see this.
I love that too because there's so many tarot and oracle decks out there that are like so
nice and sweet and gentle.
And we need those two, but I feel like, you know, there's that joke about, you know, which
deck are you pulling from?
Like, oh, this deck is especially rude deck.
I love this deck for how intentionally rude it is.
Absolutely.
People need to know you can't always just, you know, I've got like my quanian oracle over
there, which I love, you know, and quanian is very like, oh, you are currently like, you
know, raising out of your negative behaviors.
This is an opportunity for growth, you know, sometimes we need that.
Be positive.
But like, I was a single mom, raised two children, had to deal with real stuff.
I deal with real stuff.
My clients come to me, you know, with rapes, with murders, with trauma, with, you know, I
have a client who's an ER surgeon, like, you're not going to be able to just give them like
a little sprinkle of fairy dust and everything's going to be okay.
These are parts of reality that we have to navigate and work through and really deal with.
So I'm not really interested in something that's a little fluffy.
If I'm going to deal with something, I really need to know, like, I need to look up its
butthole, you know what I mean?
Like, I need to know what am I dealing with here?
So I made this deck to be able to identify some of these things.
So there's a lot of ways you can use it.
There's spreads that I have in it to kind of open things up, like, looking at what is the
prevalent shadow in your relationship showing up, like a dynamic, you can do a regular pull
with your positive, tarot, deck of choice and then pull one of these cards to show what
is the shadow active in the situations that you can then also see the other side that
you're not looking at because you're trying to be positive.
But if you're glossing over, shoving everything under the rug, kind of trying to make everything
nice, that's fine, but you have to address the issues that there is in corruption.
So there is a destruction so that it can have sustainability, right?
You can't just be like, oh, we're all going to live together and be a happy family when
you can't pay the rent.
So like, you have to, there's just real stuff that you've got to do, man.
And so like, that's why I'm trying to deal with some of this stuff, you know?
And you mentioned also that your darketypes that you deal with go beyond the Carl Jung,
like everyone like we hear archetypes and we think of like Carl Jung, Caroline, Mike,
and you know, that's, that's great their work has, has certainly contributed a lot of useful
things.
But you're saying that you also go beyond these to sort of the pagan roots of these archetypes.
Do you want to share a little bit about that before we do a pull?
Yes, I'm so excited that you asked that because everyone knows and pop culture that Carl Jung
version of the archetypes, but you have to look at Carl Jung's material number one and read.
So I have read a lot of his books, Mr. Yarn can young Dionys, the whole series from Bowling
Gain and you have to look at what are his sources?
What is informing him?
Because he's not, he's a contemporary like in terms of history, like we got to go like
where are these ideas coming from?
And he gains them through pagan sources, through alchemical sources.
So you can't like yes, I know we all want to like give props to the men that take stuff
from older cultures so they put their name on it and then become known for it, right?
We all want to have our name on that particle, you know, or whatever it is we discovered to
have like our last name put on it and get a Nobel Prize.
But the reality is that there are other sources that need to get recognized.
And for shadow work, this is a traditional pagan thing like I say in the book like anyone
that's a psychologist or a witch or a pagan is going to know what shadow work is and shadow
work in pagan traditions goes into our underworld self.
And these journeys to the underworld is the original shadow work.
And in the book I talk about, you know, using the Israel Palestine conflict as an example
because if you go back and look at what Gaza is, there were underworld entrances in Gaza.
It was called the Valley of the Reffaim and the Reffaim were this race of we're not really
sure what they were six fingered humans.
And you could journey into the underworld and have talks with the dead.
And this was like part of the Christian world separates and we don't do talking to the dead
talking to the ancestors.
That's part of the shadow world.
Like if you want to talk about getting into the dark, you go into the underworld, which
was the traditional journey that we would make and doing cycle pumping, which I do for clients
although I don't like advertising act.
So please don't contact me.
I suck.
Do it yourself.
I'm tired of it.
We'll work for those people out.
So my menopause journey was all underworld shit.
So I was like, all right, I'm just going to do it.
I guess, but I really don't want to do it anymore.
So just because I brought it up, don't contact me.
But it's hard to do underworld work and do underworld journeys.
And so part of the Shamanic traditions too, you make a sense, which everybody loves, right?
We all love going the upper, making the sense is my favorite thing.
And you go, go down into the underworld where all that nasty, nasty shit is.
And so a lot of my shadow work came through doing underworld labor, psychopomping, stuff
like that.
And I was like, man, people are looking at this shadow work like just like, what did my dad
give to me?
Like that I need to deal with.
No, man, he picked her.
And that, dude, it's going to be like a much longer journey for humans because we have to
integrate with that part of ourself that's already dead, our ancestors that are dead, interact
with them, talk to them, like figure this out.
Like come on, we can't just keep doing the same thing over and over in a stupid circle.
Like we have to learn from the past, we have to understand the past, we have to know who
we are, we have to know what is a human.
What are we doing here?
What have we done?
Who are we?
Like these are important things we have to get into.
That's shadow work.
Yes, agreed entirely.
That's our animal nature too, right?
Our animal bodies that end up having these needs as you were talking about, which end up
causing these shadow behaviors.
And speaking of shadow behavior, so I have my deck here, but I see, you know, you have yours
as, do you want to do the honor of doing do I want to?
I would love to.
What is your question?
All right, so we're going to do one for me and one for Tomi.
You can do one for you if you want as well.
Sounds good.
So I think my idea for it was we'll do a three card spread, a past, like a shadow work that
we have recently since that successfully integrated one that we are presently working
on now.
And then one that is going to be like the next one in the future that we ought to keep
an eye out for when that time comes.
Okay, sounds good.
So, are ready to get read for filth.
I will deal with your past, present, and future shadows to work on.
Very interesting.
Okay, your first card is the skin walker, which is the high result card in the regular deck.
Skin walker is a corrupt authority or spiritual leader that ends up being abusive towards you.
So high reform, I really was inspired to write about because of all the Catholic priests
who are abusing their positions.
This is any leader of a community or group that ends up being abusive towards their members.
So I don't know if you have any experience of that in your past.
That's so funny because I literally we were just talking about my spirits warning me and
saying, Hey, cast that spell that you have all the compassionate leadership that you need
in order to ascend into this next realm of spirit.
Don't be in your victim mentality and think that your powerless and then lash out at people.
You're becoming a leader so you need more.
So and I literally I cast that spell about maybe a month and a half ago.
So that right on the money.
Okay, all right.
What's the one I'm working on right now?
The avoidant, which I had already done.
So this is going to take the shape of dating people.
I know exactly what this is.
Are avoiding some avoidance.
No, I'm actually going through and because I'm normally the anxious one and I'm kind
of going through an avoidance phase right now.
So you can rate that shadow absolutely.
Now you're kind of choosing that you're going into your anti self, Arden.
I am purposefully right now.
I have like I have purposefully kind of in a spiritual energetic sense said like, I'm
not dealing with I've dealt with this for so much.
I'm not dealing with it right now until it is time.
So that makes sense too.
That is exactly what I am doing right now.
I'm going through avoidance.
That's very avoidance.
I mean, yeah, I'm like and I will deal with this in the future when it is the right time,
but right now like or rather like I won't deal with like the relationshipy stuff like
I'm single right and there's stuff that like there's stuff I could be dealing with and
I have sort of set energetic limits and said not yet.
I've done that circus in monkeys that'll this will be in the future.
So yeah, again, that's right on the money.
So the third one for future that we get for you is the tyrant, which is the emperor card.
This is going to be authority figures exerting control upon you in ways that are unjust
or unfair.
It tends to be masculine type of energy but can be either because I don't feel like, you
know, the gender thing.
It's not male or female.
It's just that type of energetic right?
So I made the image of it a bull because it's like being bullied.
Oh, wow.
This is you should look at like some techniques or strategies to deal with bullies and
trolls, which sounds like you're already having to deal with.
So as we rise, you know, into awareness, we get bullies.
So learning how to deal with bullies is really important.
We need to figure out how to understand the bully darketype.
You know, that resonates for me too because I dealt with the bully recently, but part
of what I'm trying to catch myself on is making sure that I don't bully them in return.
That's what I mean.
Like it's really rough.
Like how do we not do that reciprocity or retaliatory energy?
You got to get help, get friends, right?
Yeah.
Like what is the kind and just and compassionate way to respond to this that doesn't just throw
the bullying back?
And yeah, that resonates for me too because I've been having those conversations in my head
and it has been difficult.
Beautiful.
I wouldn't always say in grade school, I got bullied so much and I would just fight them.
Like I would get in trouble and have to go to the principal's office because there was
one guy I tried to wrangle with my jump rope because he was like attacking me.
And I defended myself and then I was the one that got in trouble, right?
So I went to get too far.
But, you know, how are you going to get the bully to stop, right?
It's breaking that cycle while still defending yourself.
It's really hard.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
You know, can confirm.
That was incredible.
All three of those were spot on for me.
Chattos, man.
All right.
Should I pull for?
Tomi, yeah, Tomi, are you ready to come on camera and get red for filth?
I didn't.
Red for filth is so good.
That's genius.
Oh, it's Tomi there.
Hello, though.
She, oh, she may be like dealing with work stuff and we can, you know, we can edit this
over.
Okay.
I'll pull for mine or I'll pull for yourself.
Just close.
I'll just close mine.
Okay.
Let's see here.
Well, geez.
That's really something.
This corner is the high priestess, which is I call the abandoned bride, which I was inspired
by Ariadne Smith.
I don't know how many of you are familiar with that, but it is very accurate because I had
a breakup about a year ago and was long term partnership.
And so definitely this resonates quite a bit of just that dealing with abandonment
issues in general has been one of my shadows.
Like, because I had bad dad and all that kind of stuff.
And so trying to work with breaking that pattern and get some kind of breakthrough there's
a big theme for me of late.
The second one, I get is the moon card, which is the deceiver.
Someone who is being deceptive or not telling the truth and things that is definitely active
for me right now as I deal with all kinds of different lawsuits that I have.
But I had to do so like I'm an eating fire survivor, my house burned down and we had to deal with
all of that kind of people like using deceptive tactics and trying to see when people are lying.
And then how do you deal with when you're being lied to?
This is a big thing, right?
Everyone's going to lie in some parts.
Like even people that you love are going to lie to you, right?
So I tried to view lies as someone's trying to protect something, right?
So a lie and a deception is a protective defensive behavior.
So instead of like taking it personally, again, we want to trans personalize it, depersonalize
it.
And when you can see and know someone's lying to you, you have to see, okay, what are they
trying to protect?
Trying to protect their money, they're trying to protect their stuff, but they're causing
you harm.
So I'm actively undergoing this as we speak.
And then my future one is the levers, which I also call the nemesis.
So it looks like I'll be engaging in relationship again sometime in the future and have to deal
with that thin line between love and hate and learning how to deal with the kind of, you
know, when we become intimate with someone, it's like enemies are intimacy as well.
And having an enemy means that you are intimate with them and it's a, it's an emotional relationship
that you engage in, like a lover.
It's funny because I was just telling a friend of mine the other day that when people are
my enemy, I feel like it's like they have a crush on me.
Yes, yes.
Because you know, you're like crushing on someone you hate them too, or it's like pushing
you on the playground or like, you know, people pulling your ponytails or stuff like that.
So there's something very erotic about having a nemesis, like there is a hundred percent
intimacy to that.
Yeah.
It's Julia Sam.
So, yeah, that's what I'll be dealing with.
Yeah.
Twenty, we will look at yours next if you like.
Yeah, I love that.
Sorry about earlier.
My mic and camera didn't want to turn on.
I could hear everything, but it was just like a ghost in the background.
You were a shadow.
Okay, past, present and future shadows for you.
Okay, let's see here.
You got the same one as Arden on the final one, which is being bullied.
So this is in your past position.
So maybe you've had to deal with some bullies and figure out how to manage that energy,
right?
I couldn't possibly think of a reason why I might have been bullied in my past, but super weird.
Yeah.
No, always again, they're trying to take power, right?
So when someone's bullying you, they don't have power and they see that you have power and
they're trying to take it like your lunch money.
The emperor, an emperor is a leader of a group of people, but they themselves don't have
any power.
They take it from all the people that are underneath them.
Like, like a billionaire is an abilior, that's everyone else's money that they took, right?
They don't have that money.
That's everyone's money, right?
So a bully is trying to control the collective to take their power because they don't have
it.
But everyone thinks they're powerful, right?
You look at them and you're like, wow, you must have a lot of power.
No, they don't.
It's everybody else's power.
Yeah.
I think about that a lot because I'm in like the most confident phase I've ever been in
before, like in these last few years.
And like I say, like among my family or even among like my childhood friends, never would
have thought I would have been the one to become anything because I was always not with intention
from others.
Sometimes it was just the way they happened to see me, but like I never had those interactions
that made me think like, oh, yes, you are good at the things you do or like you have this
potential.
So I think, yeah, that was all my power being taken by others for any number of means, but
like now that's been taken back.
Yay.
Good job.
That's hard to get there.
You have to give yourself.
You have to give it to yourself, right?
When you know what else around you have to be like, I am, you have to do the I am.
Yeah.
That's so cool.
Presently, you do seem to have some kind of stinker because we get the skate coat, which
is like being blamed by other people for something that they did, right?
Skateco is the double card and it's when it's again that someone conscious you in the face
and then suzy for breaking their hand.
So currently you want to be cautious of people placing blame upon you for stuff they are
doing.
Okay.
That.
Yeah, that maybe hits in the more recent past, maybe situations that haven't had a formal
resolution, just what I have like, I'm not going to engage with that, but okay.
So if it helps, like sometimes it's validating to know, it's not you.
They're trying to put blame on you because they won't take responsibility.
Hmm.
Okay.
Thank you for the validation there.
Yeah.
It's pretty like any time the skate coat card comes up, it's pretty clear.
The third card that you get is seven of swords, which is the appropriation card in my deck.
And it's when people are trying to take, I caution people in this card comes up because
someone could be trying to take your intellectual properties or copy some of your ideas that
you're putting out.
So if you have like podcasts or talking about things, maybe you have a copycat out there
somewhere that's trying to take some of your stuff, maybe that'll happen in the future.
Whatever you have intellectual properties or stuff you're putting out, I mean in this day
and age with the internet, like so many people are just copying and pasting, you know?
So if you get a really good idea, you should protect it.
Hmm.
Okay.
I do have a lot of creative projects ongoing in the future.
Okay.
So don't share them until they're published or protected.
And if you do, like, this is a big mistake I made early on is because when you're creative,
you just have ideas and you want to tell people and like share it and then ding-dongs will
just take them and make it themselves.
So for that card, you do as your value of your intellectual properties rises, you want
to make sure that they are protected in a way that will prevent people from thefting them.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'll be a little more tight-lipped about my projects and podcasts going forward on that.
Wait till it comes out and then talk about it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Tomi, do you want to go ahead and ask your question of maja to wrap up our episode?
Yeah.
So your first work that I was aware of was the Witches Beastie-Ary.
And I know it's been a number of years since that came out.
And I'm curious if in that time since it's a original publication, like, are there any
other creatures that you've either encountered or heard about from others that like you
really wish could be in a future edition of that book?
Oh, I love that question.
In fact, I did pitch another book, which never got picked up, but it was for identifying
interdimensional creatures.
So I really wanted to make another beastie-Ary that was all about not just mythological
creatures, but interdimensional beings and entities that people run into.
Because as I was doing a lot of my cycle pumping and kind of like, shaman work, you run into
these entities, beings, deities that are on these kind of other levels.
So I wanted to make a whole nother book of those creatures that we come across, you know,
especially doing like power plant rituals or even just meditations, visualizations, there's
all kinds of, it's like we're in an ocean with all these creatures floating around all
over the place.
It's wild.
When you shift your perception, you can see them.
It's like, oh, no, what is this?
So like are we talking about like the common ones people see on DMT, like the machine elves
and the mantis people are older.
Sure, some of those, but as you get into like visionary journey, is I'll see these like
jellyfish looking ones.
Oh, like, silver blobs.
There are, they're like, lobs, but they even have like tendril, they, I don't know how
else to describe it, but it looks like jellyfish, it just as an example.
So like, I feel like there's ones that even surpass the DMT peeps that I've encountered,
then a lot of insecty looking ones, like very praying mantis kind of vibe that I've seen
on people too.
So there's a lot more I would like to give to.
I thought that would be a fun book to do, but I don't know, maybe someday.
I will look forward to it.
And especially now knowing that you did all the art for both the Witches Beast here and
the new deck, like I want to see your artistic attempts at translating some of these interdimensional
beings into a book.
I think it would be really fun.
Yeah.
I'll look forward to it too.
Thank you again so much, Maja.
This has been such a fun conversation.
I know it's been helpful and enlightening for me and I hope it's been helpful for those who
are also listening out there.
Go and check out Maja's work.
Maja is there anything else that you would like to share in terms of where people can find
you or what they should look forward to?
Oh, sure.
I'm just on WitchOfTheDawn.com.
I'm not on social media anymore.
I don't know if everyone wants to know that drama, but I help a lot of people, okay?
And they began tracking my messages because people will talk to me about things they're
doing that are legal, but they're really like, there was, and I just help people.
You know what I mean?
But they were then seeing things people would send me and my private messages on Instagram
and Facebook and then retaliate against the people.
So like if someone was in a state where abortion is illegal and they're contacting me, you
try to get help the fucking authorities are looking into like then using that information
against the person that's listening to me for help.
So I'm like, wow, just wow.
So I was like, uh, uh.
And so I immediately left.
I also, there was like some other stuff too.
I know there was, I was just like kind of huffy when I left because I was like, this is
so dumb.
But yeah, not do you, I remember your grad exit.
Congratulations to people that are, I think it's like whatever it can be a really good tool,
but for me, I was just so frustrated with it that I didn't need it.
And I will say as I reconnect with people and I go through synchronicity and flow, I mean,
I have like not suffered from it at all.
In fact, I reconnect better with people.
I talk to human beings, you know, my business is doing great.
So you don't need to be on social media.
I know they try to make you think you need a middleman in order to navigate humanity.
This is not true.
We have our hearts and those can beam out like lighthouses to each other.
So not on social media, sorry, but you can contact me from my website.
My email is magia@goddismiboyfriend.com.
Yay.
Thank you so much, magia.
This has been such a fun conversation.
Thank you everyone who tuned into this episode and gave it a listen.
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