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Hello and welcome to an all new episode of Anime Brain Freeze. We are your hosts in the shell!

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I am John.

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And I'm CC and when there's just too much cool anime to watch, we've got you covered.

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You really hit me with that pun of heart, or did I thought? [laughs]

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It had to be done.

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So today, yes, we dive back into the world of cyberbrains and puppet masters

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as we discussed the newest adoption of Masamuden Shirou's legendary manga, "The Ghost in the Shell".

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Since it's our season premiere, we will, of course, give you our two cents on some of the fresh shows from Fall.

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So grab your all-purpose camouflage suit, make sure to persuade your Fuchikomaru not to fulfill its desire for world domination

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and definitely don't pause the part, we'll be right back!

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So yeah, as nippy time, we are a bit late this time, so full-season is already...

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Going full steam ahead, but we didn't want to miss out on talking about a couple of the premieres.

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So, yes, as usual, we have our three mostly two sections these days.

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The nobs, the "maybe" and the "keeper", the "nobs" shows we checked on it and said, "Ha ha, no thank you!"

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Maybe the shows we checked out that definitely peaked our interest, but which we are not sure about if we're gonna stick with them for one reason or another.

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And, lastly, of course, the "keeper" shows that we checked out and said, "Yes, we want more of that, please!"

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And, yeah, we're gonna start us off with John because he has watched more shows than I have, John, do you have any nobs or do you want to jump directly into the "maybe's"?

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I don't have any nobs this time around, so I guess we just go for the "maybe's".

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First off is "Romelia Ward Chronicle", the rare light novel adaptation that's not an "Esekai".

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"Rubwa wa" they apparently still exist.

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It's about this girl named "Romelia" who is like the daughter of like a do-curr accountant, or something.

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I think Count, you know, medieval garbage.

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All of those titles and I know there's a differentiation between them, but they just sort of run together, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, I have a friend who is very much into medieval stuff and she would probably be able to tell you what the difference is, but she's not around, so I can't ask her.

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I know I buried somewhere in there, I know the difference and I've at least read it and it's like one of my history classes in the past 30-something years, Jesus.

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But I can't be bothered to remember all those details.

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You don't need to for a light-null anime, I presume.

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No, so Romelia is part of this adventuring party to go into the evil demon lord and the leader of the party, Prince Henry, is...

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He and Romelia are engaged to each other, but then when it seems like she's not really all that interested in like being on the frontlines fighting alongside him, he breaks off their engagement, and that brings, you know, great shame upon Romelia's family.

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So she's like, all right, so I'm going to leave like the kingdom, the family, and I'm going to raise my own army that I can command because I'm not good at fighting, but I'm good at negotiating and I'm good at leading people and inspiring them to fight.

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So, you know, this is her story of trying to put together this rag tag, a crew to go out and rebuild a ruined town and restore this kingdom and get rid of straggling demons and whatnot.

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And I think there's something to this, but I'm not a hundred percent in there yet.

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But I think there's some meat on the bones for this show, so I'm at least willing to keep checking it out and see how I feel as it gets further in.

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So I assume it's a very talky show, not necessarily that action heavy or are there actually big battles already happening that wish he has to do the strategizing and whatever.

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The last episode was one where Romelia and her crew went to a town that was being overrun by demon monkeys.

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No, okay. I hated when that happens.

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And they had a big fight there and it's in a lot of it was, you know, the strategizing of how to go about it, what angle to attack the enemy from how to encircle them, you know, like the tactics of it.

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So maybe not the biggest on like big soku go or a crazy animation, but it helped to convey what they were trying to show with this scale of a smaller battle.

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So I was like, okay, they made this work in certain ways.

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And they're trying to also fill in the characters of the crew that she is running with like the two ostensibly main characters of this crew.

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One is like, he's able to help inspire them to fight and he's gets in there in the front lines.

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The other one is like, he's not really as sure of himself and he's trying to find his footing as well.

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So there's some interesting dynamics between the characters. So I think, like, I think there's something to this and I'll see how far I go with it.

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I don't know my, my only other maybe I think is probably one of your maybe's.

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Yes, Siren. Yes.

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A new set of that show. It's about this guy called Agahar, not to be confused with Agahar. Only cares about living with the present and likes to hunt bad guys apparently.

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And he's taking a phone call one day from a pay phone, which makes him see some kind of, I don't know, specter or whatever.

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He learned to learn us this dual call nemesis q who goes around throwing red telephone cards. Hey kids, do you still know what that even is at P.

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You all know what pay phones are.

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A phones. It's in the show. It's treated like kind of this novelty that's still around right and treated by the kids like with a bit of reverence to a certain regard. It's funny.

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I mean, considering how uncommon they are like maybe they're more common parts of the world than other but like at least here in the US there's very few pay phones anywhere anymore.

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Yeah, same here. I don't know when I've seen the last one. There was one around my, my, my place of living here.

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But until they got rid of all of them, but yeah.

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But as far as I knew around these parts, most of the pay phones were you just put in your coins. They didn't have like a card slot on them, which it seems like it's probably more common in other places of the world.

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We have like, I imagine a prepaid card that you just put in there and it debuts it when you make a call.

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Yes, exactly. I've had a telephone cover very short time, but yeah, this guy, Dennis, this queue apparently gives out these these red telephone cards or leaves them around for people to find whatever.

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And those cards have the worst siren on them.

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We are not entirely made aware of what that is yet at least not in the first episode. I've only watched the first episodes of all the shows I'm talking about today.

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So, um, ostensibly it's another world. And when you after you've answered a couple of questions and the card awakens in a situation you're transported to that world.

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Or it's the future. Who fucking knows because this is also about the future is lost. Whatever. The show is very very much play with the topic of a future angst.

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And you try the you as a as a as a guy, a person in high school and all the shit that is happening in the world, not really.

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Knowing what's how to approach the prospect of having a future or not having a future which hey, kind of relatable. I guess even though we're away past that age point, but still I don't want to even imagine being in high school right now and having to face what's going to you after that.

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So, hey, this very interesting. So he is using the telephone card because he knows one of his old one of his old friends slash classmates, amamia is is kind of really involved in that shit and he wants to help her because he likes to help people and whatever and then.

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At the end of the episode, he gets to support to whatever that other world has to almost get killed by monster and then get saved by amamia who slashes the monster in twain with a sword.

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Yeah, he has a answer a few more questions in the second and third episode, but I'm still just sort of like, yeah, it feels very I mean he says that at the end of the first episode.

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And then he does my death game begin begins or something like that and like, okay, this is what this is. There's going to be some kind of better royale thing where a bunch of people are competing for paradise or whatever.

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And then he's promising what awaits at the end of this contest or something like that and there's also this guy apparently in the underworld who for good information gives you 500 million yen or something for good information on siren and that's why a lot of people are currently like trying to get into it and so on.

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So it's probably this death game thing where you have to fight monsters or each other or whatever. So, okay, I mean that could be cool. I'm not sure I'm going to give it probably a couple more episodes, but it's like, okay, this feels like it's something we've seen before and the characters are not necessarily anything to write over about at least not just in the episode.

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But it's actually very box standard. I'm in my I'm amia who's like this ice queen because she's going through some bad shit but deep down she is a frail little flower that needs to be taken care of and just want some dude who can reach out to help her.

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Preferably old childhood friend who maybe or maybe not she is always had feelings for you know the drill. So I'm like, okay, I don't hate these people.

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I guess we've seen so far, maybe they show us some more good ones in store for us, but it's like, okay, this is very familiar. So I don't know if there's anything that I'm going to latch on to in the coming episodes, but it's not a no it's still a maybe it's like, hey, this could cool the animation of cut the satellite it's serviceable, it's good.

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And I mean I haven't seen a real action piece yet, so I wonder how that pens out in the coming episodes, but I mean you have watched further than I say does it look okay or is it very.

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It looks alright, and I mean I guess I guess the manga for this actually had its full run so unless unless satellite pulls a satellite.

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This could be a full adaptation, I mean if the manga for this rain from 2007 the 2010s so it's like jumped out before out of already finished manga that they were adapting I don't remember.

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It was hell.

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There wasn't there the drill one shoot yes, that one was talking about that stroke about yes that's like it.

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Yes, yes, yes, I was you bill blot yes, I mean they seem to suck you gone that's it.

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I have this habit of picking up really neat stuff yeah, okay, I'm sorry, it's so good on the manga still running I'm sorry, but they seem to have this penchant for picking up stuff that's like, oh this is neat.

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Let's not finish it and I'm sitting here like what.

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What do you mean the thing is both overblood and hell are not that far away in terms of when they were airing their first season that I would like.

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Think that there is no chance of them returning you know there's a lot of waiting time on a lot of animate this these days where it's like hey we get one season we get the first season of this and like five seasons later or five years later we get the next season so I wouldn't like think that they have to be but yeah it could be it could

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be the viewing numbers weren't there anything then just like and I haven't checked of course if any of these are even in the prospect of being renewed so.

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Oh, yeah, who bill blot was last year thought it was like two or three years ago what is time.

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Yeah, so let's see maybe this does get picked up again prefer I would prefer of all of these of course sacugan to get the new season but.

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Yeah, but yeah so siren it seems okay aggressively aggressively okay I like the color scheme on the main character I like the orange shirt and the blue whatever the other blue stuff is wearing that's a nice complementary contrast I like orange and so that's the best I can say about the show right now the most interesting is what the guys wearing everything else we.

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It's very box standard so I don't know I probably will see we'll see how I feel about after two or three episodes it's not a no but also it's not a very strong maybe so we'll see.

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Uh john it seems like you feel the same same but since this is your last maybe I still have one but that might be one of your keepers so why don't you continue with those.

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I guess we'll go into my keepers and we'll see we'll see if there's any overlap.

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Uh magic night rare that's my second maybe.

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Oh okay then perfect I mean this is a show that even though I own the blue ray of the old series I have not watched.

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So once again archiving then actually watching the things you buy once again john has zero excuse but sure I'll watch the new thing with the thing.

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I did well after watching the first episode this go back and check out the first episode of the original and I don't know what the pacing is supposed to be for this new show because.

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It's the old show was like 40 something episodes because they broke it up into two seasons I don't know if they're going to do that with this because the.

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How can they phrase this the first episode of this new series ends before the point where the first episode of the old series does so it's like.

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Okay well that sounds like the new one is doing a quicker pacing which is kind of powerful the core for newer adoption isn't it no sound no no it's the opposite sounds like it's going to slower pace oh really okay yeah I misunderstood you know like this one was going faster no.

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So I'm not quite sure how to describe you know that because that kind of caught me a little you know a little off car I was like that's okay sure maybe they needed more in the old series they needed something that would go more into the action immediately or something like that to make it more of an advertisement for the rest of the show which I guess is not as necessary today anymore maybe at least not for.

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Some what proven franchises or some what proven names and magic night ray earth is.

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I don't know if it's a household name at this point knew I feel like it's at least no yes it's at least no like people know clamp I I would assume that they still know them and that it's one of theirs and I would assume that some people are.

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Just hearing oh there's new magic night ray earth okay I'm going to check this out though I don't know how it's been received.

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But it feels it's very much a throwback show like it definitely is like okay.

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This is definitely from another time and it's they they kept the time it's at a nineteen ninety three.

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So it feels very very much like like the old show or the old manga that it is like in terms of.

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Character constellation in terms of how they behave in terms of a story telly is terms of what it does with its east the guys.

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A city setting it's old school is it guys not like hey someone gets hit by truck and then.

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It's transported into transport to the next world is just like hey here girls and they're gonna.

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For some reason or.

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Throw into a fantasy land and then have some adventures there and that's what you get I think I've only watched the first episode I don't know if I even watch the old show or read the I think I read a bit of the manga.

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But yeah it's kind of like that is like we have these three people he caroo these three girls he caroo.

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And who read blue and green respectively color code it's as you would and I wonder what their elemental power sorry could you begin to figure it out.

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I should be one it could definitely couldn't be fire water wind one one thing that immediately will jump out as some people at least that it is a bit different about this is that.

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Of all things the water girl is the most brush one I would say the most hot headed which is not the usual.

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You know character type that goes with that element in anime usually you have the fire person and don't get me get me wrong he caroo is also you know the passionate go blah blah I want to help everyone blah blah blah but the one that is kind of I would associate more with has a temper and.

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Says things she maybe shouldn't say it stuff like that it goes more to umi the water coded girl so it's like oh this is interesting this is a bit different.

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Who is you know the reserved well mannered friendly girl so I guess that kind of works to but she's from this prestigious high school yes yeah yeah she's like the the posh girl I guess.

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So that works and she's also the nerd like she can stop talking about how everything they see in sefero is like like my JRPG.

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Or her or girl what she says all the time.

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Which which which was your favorite of dragon quest or final fantasy 1993 what final fantasy with that it been probably four or five yeah I wonder.

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It does that come up in future episodes like again I don't know but I'm sure it's something she will keep saying yes so that's fun and they're transported to this world by the princess emerald and she needs she calls upon magic nights from different worlds and only people from other worlds can become magic nights not from.

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The same world I don't even remember why I think they explained in the first episode but who cares reasons yeah and like the girls once they are basically transported to this world get introduced to all of this by this.

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So I'm sorcerer magician whatever call clap and he bestows upon them their magic spells and magic armor and so on and then send them on their journey here there you find your weapons and blah blah blah and your little mascot character Macona and then you please please fight all of the bad guys and save our world.

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Okay and the bad guy is already throwing his his many minions at at them the first one being a former student of clef I guess.

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So yeah this is kind of pretty standard magic girl stuff I guess to a degree but it also has a is a guy aspect and it has you know I think later there are also max I mean that is already for sure in the first episode and if you know the.

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That's that IP you know that there are max in this so yes yes like that was something I was kind of.

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Oh where of on the fringe i'll be honest is I always kind of wanted to watch the original I just never did and I ended up buying the blue ray because disco tech was like hey.

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We're doing this thing because we like to release old shows so they're preserved and I was like yeah I will do that thing I'll buy it so I can have it.

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Yes yes that makes sense I mean I buy two little of their stuff because I don't have the money but it's like I am in the like other stuff I want.

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I'm not out there like constantly buying stuff but when something really hits strikes my fan to me yeah I guess I should get that for it disappears because that happened to me once before and I don't want it to happen again.

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Yes I was planning to buy their release of popular on crisis I haven't done that yet so get on that if that's still available even so.

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I know they're playing a re-release of it where's the re-release so sound like pizza cats yeah well it will come eventually probably I know they said they're going to do it so it is happening.

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But yeah so this seems like you know fine show good show interesting throwback like judging from you know the song playing at the end of the first episode which I assume is the OP.

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This is also like very throwback OP song which is cool.

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Yeah it's the original opening song but it's not spoilers it's not the new OP song.

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Oh got it but it's nice that they put that in there then.

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So yeah it could be cool like it's very old school it's going to be very old school probably in terms of storage structure and everything and probably not a lot of surprises on that one.

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But hey it's always nice a two degree to go back to something to write and true so why not I'm definitely going to check out a couple more episodes.

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I don't know if I'll stick with it until the end depending if I get bored or whatever but it's interesting enough to me and yeah it's a maybe it's a strong maybe but we'll see I'll decide on the second episode.

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You apparently feel strong enough about it John to put it in your keepers so.

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I mean that could be subject to change but you know it's a show that I passed over because of time so I want to at least watch it this time round and I'm curious.

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Because like I said the original was two seasons so I wonder if they're consencing this down to one because it is these it's already known to be two cores I wonder if they're going to like do it in half their runtime which will probably make it seem a little jammed or if they're going to do two.

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Two core seasons.

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I mean judging from what you said about the first episode comparing into the previous incarnation they might not do that so.

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I wonder yes but I mean it's a finished story so that's nice and yes one of you that is maybe we'll get a new adaption of X as well at some point I like the old one though so there is not really in need for that I thought the old X TV series was pretty damn good.

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So yeah interesting old interesting old shit I'm up for it anyway so what's your next keeper John.

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I guess the rest of my keepers are either returning or continuing shows so.

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Ron my half is back and one of the last episode I watched was the hapocy episode no but he got what was coming to him so haha you stupid little runt usually does but it doesn't necessarily make it that much better.

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I mean yeah but it was like you got what you deserved a little idiot got it this run what has so many fun crazy characters and then there's hapocy and it's like Jesus yeah so you know this it's mapa continuing to do their excellent work so you know it looks great from top to bottom so.

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Ron my is gotten way stronger things to.

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A clone shampoo's grandmother's training so when he goes to fight.

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Yeah so when he goes to fight Rioga Rioga like can't touch him but then Rioga goes goes and does his own training so then when it finds out that the technique that Rioga is taught.

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It's like this rock shattering technique so it's like oh this all shatter rocks easily the technique doesn't work on people.

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Oh man this is actually I've been watching this show with the dub and the dub has been fun like all the characters are played really well and I.

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I love Cologne's voice actress she plays into the crazy old lady like really well so.

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Oh man I don't know I think over a mostly subs over here but like I feel like from some of the stuff we've watched like the Netflix and the Amazon Prime stuff have had really solid dubs in recent years so I don't know but that's cool.

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Yeah there's another show and assist will they will mention that I also have been watching the dub so we'll see what goes on with that yeah my last keeper that I don't believe is shared between us is dragon ball super beers right yes I mean I plan to watch it but I haven't gotten to it yet and since it's technically a show I already watched just prettier yeah.

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Oh yeah it's definitely a re re telling retread of I believe the start of super up through the universe six tournament.

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Like two or three episodes in and it already looks way better than super ever could have hoped to it's beginning to be honest is like going from the movie version to the TV version of those of that that story of those was.

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And I think the only thing that I think the only movie material and super was battle of God and Rezaf yes exactly and they didn't do a TV version of Broly or super hero for that matter at this point so I wonder if you can get that.

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Maybe that movie exclusive maybe that'll come later because I have to imagine though they're probably going to want to do all the way through all of super before they get to the galactic patrol yes I mean that would make sense right why would you start the show that is said after the tournament of power before you redo that in the current version and I assume the same team.

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That is working on on on the earth or whatever it's future in conditions is going to work on galactic patrol so I don't know enemy has we're adaptation orders fake grand order yeah yeah.

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I feel like they're going to ask for pretty consistent that regard aside from it jumping through its timeline with every new sequel recall whatever it's doing like it's like oh no we're going to start here now and now we're going to do it do it this year and diamond see your and super is here and GT is like okay all right.

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GT isn't can in anymore after all I know I know.

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Even though it's been in every single game ever since because I have that fan service I guess they should just be fucking do I mean they can't do it in a Toriyama sanctioned version now anymore sadly but they should at some point they should like rework it and do another take another step at it why not.

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Like like cut some of the fat away and rework some of the characterization and everything make trunks not a complete fool I don't know you know is there something stop in the tea I guess if they if they if they try to could make it work and I assume the guy who's currently doing the super manga forgot his name sorry.

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Toyota yeah I would assume he would be able to do it so why not let's let's see but I'm very very even more than I'm of course interested to rewatch.

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The the the super stuff in super beer is now but I'm even more interested to finally get to galactic patrol at some point watching the moral arc and everything I've heard a lot of good things about that from people who are at the manga so I definitely want to watch that but it's probably going to be well until we.

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That's going to be well until we get to that so yeah for if you need your drag both fix now you can basically rewatch battle for the battle of the gods for you can watch it for the third time.

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And also a resurrection for the third time and we'll see what else not that is a bad thing but it's funny I guess then the last two keepers we both have and the first.

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And the first one of course we talked about it we talk about last season with a season before I think the season before.

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Yeah because there was a little bit of a break yes the continuation of Joseph is our adventure see ball run seven arc of Joseph is our adventure highly anticipated horse races, wacky horse races through all of America.

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And we already reviewed the first stage because the release of this is interesting they released like the first stage of the race that is the main attraction in this arc as a stand alone season quote on quote it had like the length of like two or three episodes in terms of right to two and a half.

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There about there about yes so the first see the first stage of the race is kind of short so that's why I guess they did it only with those this this one supersized episode.

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I believe this is supposed to be the second and third stages even longer then so we'll see how many episodes that will eventually encompass the second stage is going to be two weeks into in show time so that's at least what they said in the show that's probably going to get the competitors two weeks to actually get to the finish line of the second stage so.

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That's definitely longer than the first stage so yeah where did we leave off like the first stage was finished a gyro zappily one but because he used a weapon against the competitor technically he gets a penalty and does move to 20th place which is not happy about at all no he's not the results from that already funny but yes so his strategy for the next stage.

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For the next stages of this race are two team up with our ostensible main character Johnny Joe star and they're going to do have like this two man team and under the condition that gyro always will come in first which okay why are you doing this journey but all right sure gyro okay yeah we'll see how that works out for him anyway but yes of course they're building towards the first.

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They're building towards this rival ship between these two characters which I guess already happened previous first season of gyros technically or in the second if you want to put see sees are in there as well and so yeah there is that's of course going to happen and they're going to become kind of friends and everything but also trying to win the race on their own and so on so that's going to be interesting and of course we have a bunch of color for a competitor.

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There's a bunch of color for competitors that are still in here and they have to fight one in this in the first episode of of this who like well they they the race starts off and Johnny is already like okay this is going to suck because we're going to go through the desert and this is dangerous because there's only one water hole where where we can fill up our reserves and if we don't be careful we're going to get

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cooked literally so what does gyro do he's like oh fuck that and I'm going to take the shortest route and she just goes and Johnny's losing his got their mind smart smart yes okay it's like hey nobody nobody stupid enough to do this so we're going to win like okay that's a tactic but yeah so a couple of people follow them and then Johnny and gyro get attacked by cactus one million needles attack

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by way of one of the competitors miss Robinson a gyro makes short work of that guy I expected that battle to last longer I was like okay how are they going to get out of this particular bit and just fucking use steel ball spin technique to basically redirect I guess or something all the needles to to the guy to Robinson so that that was fun

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and that guys that now I mean I guess it's your first stand user so it's got to be you know is it a stand user that's the thing like it's it he has insects in his eye which is gross

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I can use use them to could use them to influence the wind in the direction of the needles and whatever but it didn't feel like it was a stand

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just sort of assumes that considering the way you know it flies coming out of the oven yeah but that it sounded like that as something that is not necessarily

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uncommon in his village actually so I don't know so far stands have not been properly introduced in this show I so we don't really know if they're in it we must assume they are but right now it's still operating on a more let's say

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George's bizarre adventure are a one or two logic where as this the spin technique that that gyro is using also has more harmon vibes than actual stand vibes so that's interesting maybe they're just going to get to stands in the middle of the show

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whatever I mean and they don't have to not they could make it work without it's just people's now what considering what geos has become with after start us crusaders everyone expects that should be stands so we'll see

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but yeah it's it's cool of course it's got them geos killer OP which I think we hadn't seen in the first stage yet

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this is when they first started doing it yeah so really cool the ED song sucks there were so many better options and a meme has become of that where everyone is like throwing their favorite song choice on the ED animation of of Steel

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or on I don't know why they picked this one it doesn't fit from what I hear I don't know how true this is there was someone on the crew who negotiated to get different songs for the ending themes right and he apparently passed away so no so I guess there's no one else to do the job

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that sucks but a lot of people have surmised that probably close to the top choice was the chain by fleet would Mac because it just matches up so well yes I saw I posted a video of that in our channel was someone just put that the same over the that ED and it's just fucking perfect is like why didn't that happen like that I was a number one choice I think the very close number two was a horse with no name by America because a lot of people were like a lot of people were listing out

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elements of the song being like yeah a lot of this has very strong parallels to the story of steel ball run it's like I wonder where some of the influence may have come from I mean maybe it now that that guy has died it just takes more time in terms of negotiation will get it with the second version of the ED or whatever

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but it's like it's such like the the opi is so good and then you get this and it's like what and considering all you know I don't know if all but most of the ED's were like classic you know what they're the sweatstorm songs yeah so I mean there was there's a dude out there who did an English language cover of the ending song

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and you made it sound good I think it's because there's like the delivery in the Japanese is just like it feels so flat and then this and I think that's what kind of drags it down while this dude did the cover like really like put the emotion in it feels like it elevate it just that much and I'm not saying it's not like one of those where I am going to be like Netflix hire this man but it's like you see what we could have had we could have had

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something that felt a little more like just had a little more behind it I don't know now yeah I agree would have been better but that doesn't detract from the show you could just skip the you be so it's just like true if only but the rest of the show is killer it's fun it's funny as fuck and it's it's got them Jojos and I'm so happy we're finally getting this and I can't wait to watch more and I'm so happy

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watch more and it's Jojo Friday is back yeah yeah absolutely that's that's that's what we're doing and that's and we're enjoying it and it's it's a good time and I want more I assume that goes for you as well John of course give me more injected straight into my veins indeed

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so what is our last keeper I have reason to believe that our last keeper might possibly be cyberpunk edrunners to correct good sir I've only watched one episode this so far but man trigger do still be hitting it hard

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yes super stylish absolute like I catchers everywhere everything you see looks fucking awesome and grows so yeah it kind of picks up where the first is less left of in that regard but completely different cast which makes sense considering the ending of the first season yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean you could get Lucy there I guess but the rest

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so I can see Lucy showing up as me like a background character or something I don't even know when does the set if this is even set after the first show if it's running in parallel or if it's not true

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so who knows if it's running in parallel David could show up as a background character too yeah maybe yeah that could be everyone could be like we could that could be someone back

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oh look look at those guys and this is this is my favorite Rebecca yeah if only for Rebecca but this is my season or reminder to fucking finally play cyberpunk 27 just so I've done I've been thinking about every after I watched the first episode I started thinking a lot about the

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you know what maybe maybe once they finish watching this I'll actually play 2077 but I also have another big gaming project I want to do so I still don't know if I want to get it for PS5 or I want to play it on PC CD project right as usually more those games are usually more optimized on PC so I don't know

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well I mean 2077 launched in a state on console but it's is apparently way way way way way better now so it sounds like you can't go wrong with version you play now okay that will see it's probably more comfortable to play it on on the console but I'll decide later

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whenever I get to it but yeah it's definitely one of those big backlog entries and I'm like I have to get it sounds like it's so up my fucking alley but I haven't gotten to it yet

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now we have a chemist is anywhere it's oh okay that's pretty long yes and I mean does DLC now and everything so it's in a period of time investment and apparently they just they just pushed another update this week for edge runners to so which makes sense yes

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so yes but we haven't actually talked about this so much yet anyway so this is about this this kid called Roman who likes his camera and movies and it's not only about him it seems to be like three different parties at this point

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at least judging from the first episode and the whole show by the way the whole show is out it's a binge release by Netflix so you can watch it right now to completion the entire thing if you want to

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it's gonna be a while until we'll talk about it but you can completely watch it now so feel free to do that but yet seems to be about three different parties like Roman is in there and he catches this guy called older guy called king

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on his camera who goes into full cyber psychosis mode in the first episode and all his his implants his cyber implants get disabled and everything and

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that man ain't got no chrome anymore no man got no chrome but the and then there's this the third the which is this chick this lady I don't even know what was what was her name

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they said it in the first episode yeah so I always feel bad when the only person who's named I don't remember is the girl in the show is like wow okay

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dude tallia I think it was tallia tallia okay not related to tallia or gula I hope so well you never know so she she is she is performing I guess for this group called

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melstrom that Roman is enticed to to get footage off because it pays well or something like that by the guy he pedals his his footage to usually who works at the brain brain denser shop

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if you get good footage of melstrom you can get a 35 millimeter camera yeah holy shit a proof a proof by Christopher Nolan so I

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hmm day he goes to the place where melstrom hangs out and then sees tallia performing something like half naked acrobatics for them I don't know what she actually does

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there but he gets caught by melstrom and they're about to cut him up and then he gets rescued by the susca look alike he is another character I didn't remember the name of

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so it's not only the woman I don't think they said his name yet yet but yeah he seems to be on the hunt for for someone called helio and he hopes to get some information out of

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melstrom but on the way also safe Roman spot and then start hanging out at his place and drinking drinking all the beer of his dad and yes and king at the same time is on the

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self movie Ramon Ramon watches make Sasuke the Sasuke guy cry and tall tallia gets a prehended apparently so all these four parties I guess are into motion and I assume they're going to become a team in the next

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episode that the one after that and then each have their again that reason why they want to do something maybe there's a highest going to that they're going to try to do or whatever together I assume all of their pass will

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interject at some point not only inject like become one because somehow there agenda's a line in a specific way.

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This was one of the other shows as watching dubs just because you know a lot of the terminology comes from the game I feel like that I feel like that might get lost in translation even though I'm looking at the Japanese voice cast and it's great there's a lot of big name voice actors and

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a carry kito and koki uchi yama but it's like I feel like it would be truer to the source to watch in English certainly and also you know it is technically

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even though it is produced by trigger it is still an English script written as far as I've know or at least the story is created by

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someone of the right is from CD project read right so in English language board game made made into English language tabletop game made into a game by a polish game to felt for

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in a way by a Japanese studio yes that is very traditional but I feel like the the the main language of the CD project record games is still English I don't know if they like

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produce it with polish as the main language in mind I don't think so yeah so that feels like right in terms of setting it feels very American

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so I guess it makes sense to watch it up although here because I'm in English okay they make sure that in the subs there are the they use the terms the the cyberpunk specific terms again that they already use the first is that they're using in the games like

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show more stuff like that yes if you lose stuff like to chrome gunk green BD you know yeah so that's still in there even if you watch it in Japanese which I'm doing because you know that's just how I how I roll usually

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so but this is one of the rare casemars where I would be interested to watch the American dub because like you said it kind of makes sense

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considering what the source material of this is but hey cyberpunk et runners was the first season was spectacular it was at least for for one of us if not both of us are best of the season in that

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corrective season it was a close to finish thing you can still watch it do it it's fantastic it's great even though it is pretty tragic and sad towards the end and I hope this season will be a bit more positive in the end I don't know if I can deal with such a downer again

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I mean considering the downer we started along with king on the beach I I don't know if that's some foreshadowing but maybe more than one character will survive this time that won't be great so again I mean Lucy survived that's what I mean I hope more than one character survived

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so vice this time but hey it would be I mean you could kill still get a positive spin out of the first series by playing the game and like stomping Adam smatcher into bits which I'm looking forward to and I'm probably going to rewatch the first season of

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the game just to fucking hype me up and far me up and get super angry at that fucker and just be like there that's where Rebecca you piece of shit you

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but you at least Lucy got to live on the issue got to be guilty gear that's true yes yes you made the transition to guilty gear that's I haven't even checked her out and that game yet I should get back to guilty gear strive

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yeah I think the last time I touched drive was in breach it came out so it's been a minute yes I'm I I like that game I just didn't get around to playing it enough so I'll probably check it out one of these days just like I'm going to check out my model talk on again which I haven't touched in

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a couple of weeks either so goddamn to me fucking games right now but yes this looks to be just as cool I don't know if the characters will be as strong as in the first season and if the story will be as strongly

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paced and everything hard to say after one episode but it's I'm a punk it's studio trigger it's a close story I assume so it's going to be probably a fun time I don't even know how many

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episodes it has I've 10 episodes so it's also deep in the short yes so yeah I feel like we've got the groundwork for some good shit with us so yeah absolutely looking forward to it very much so that's why it's our top

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keeper and with that we're done with the sneak peek there's still a highly anticipated movie I want to check out but I don't even know if that's going to come to theaters here which is the next movie of

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a for made in the best so I'm I don't know I don't know if it's going to come out over here I don't know if that's going to be put into a series form they didn't do that with their with their other

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movie that was not a compilation movie which is understandable because that movie was dark as shit as so we will see but yes I'm very much looking forward to that I don't know when I will be able to

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actually watch that so that's why of course it's not going to be part of our review schedule at least not naturally if I get to watch it in

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theaters before the season is over of course I will talk about it in the quick and the dead but yeah we'll see what is going to happen but yes so that's it for the sneak peek couple not that many but a couple of

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interesting premieres and now let's get to our first review from summer season the ghost in the shell

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all right so john we have have we really ever talked about ghost in the shell on this podcast extensively I don't think so right so say I think probably just in passing just in passing as I

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mean there weren't any shows that we I mean there was a rise I think that aired when we had already started to show if I'm not mistaken but none of us check that out I think I know I watched a

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rise and I walked away from it like yeah I think that's the common sentiment towards that show a very big and shrug mostly like I mean it was fine but it was not

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as someone who came in on standalone complex it was like not exactly that same that seemed sort of vibe so I was just throwing down now and neither is this for that matter no and we get to that but yeah I think I of course

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watch standalone complex I didn't watch all of it I think I didn't watch I don't know how much of the second season I watched I don't know if I watched all of it it's been a while I definitely watch the first one I don't think I watched the solid set society movie or only or whatever it was and yeah I definitely watched the first two movies the old one

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I'm more or she won and the second one or innocence like both of those and yeah of course first season of standard or complex I like that a lot too yeah and after that I didn't check anything ghost in the shell did you

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play the PlayStation game no but I was always aware of it I think there was there's a PS one game there was a PS 2 game as well I think

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I'm looking at a list now there was a PSP game that was a sequel to the PS 2 game and then a first person shooter called first assault online in 2015 what the hell

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okay all right ghost in the shell standalone complex first assault online was a free to play online shooter definitely a next on oh so is a Korean game

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Korean two whole years wow wow all right so yeah that's the ghost in the shell stuff I was partly familiar with and partly partly watched but I think both of us never read the original manga right

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so call me surprise when they announced that that would be adapted like from the page to the screen not with liberties like in the old movies

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and not doing a completely different prequel or whatever side story thing with standalone complex and yeah science are would do it who at this point have had a really good track record with shows

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I liked pretty much all of the stuff that did to a degree some of it I even loved and yes this but but considering I was not too familiar with the

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original manga I was like okay how does science are style kind of work with ghost in the shell because my most my familiar to familiarity with ghost in the shell was kind of like okay it's this cool

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also we just talked about cyberpunk etcher on us but this one even more in the cool regard more sterile very dark very

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not glossy I guess to a degree yes but you know very cold very cold cast

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theme very cold setting very cold feeling cyberpunk story very cool very clear cards very sharp character designs and everything

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nothing nothing of the things none of the things I just said none of the adjectives I just use describe the stories that I usually see from science are

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and style and animation and everything because their stuff is usually very cartoony very loose very just just a very different very different approach and something I would not associate

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with ghost in the shell at all but you know after checking out a couple of things a couple of pages from the manga and everything and looking at the style of the original work and everything I was like okay this could work

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and then we watched the first episode and we talked about it in the sneak peek and everything and yeah this is it is a very different interpretation of ghost in the shell I would guess it is the original interpretation of ghost in the shell

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we just haven't seen that version of ghost in the shell yet it's loud it's wacky it's unhinged it's funny the major all who was always this cool collected badass in the other

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adaptations is this freaky freaky gremlin freaky horny gremlin is who is very antagonistic to find a lot of her colleagues and her superiors and that's just completely different version of that character so that was it was really interesting so if you

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like us are mostly familiar with the old versions of ghost in the shell and are like oh get another adaption of this why should I check this out notice is not something you see before from ghost in the shell is a completely different thing

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at least in a lot of places there are some commonalities of course with the old show in terms of some story parts and everything but there are also differences a lot of them and yeah so

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John do you want to give us a short summary of what this first season is about thanks to our friends at m a l rewrite with the substantial advancement in cybernetic and AI technology in the early 21st century humans are able to modify their bodies to the limit making the world nothing like before in 2029 what do you mean 2029

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the Japanese metropolis of new port city became a grand stage for criminals who abused the advanced technology for personal gain and try to attain power over others by any means necessary after making a name for herself and getting the green light from public security

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Motoko kusanagi takes charge of a new special forces unit and he's turbulent time she and her subordinates tackle serious cybercrime cases that ordinary police would have no chance of solving after boasting a successful trackers occurred so far kusanagi and her unit soon learn there may be there may be an elusive match remind behind the scenes whose actions further endanger the metropolis fragile status quo need so

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so we already said science are working on was working on this serious composition was done by to injury who did not do that much script work and serious composition work in in anime for before like I guess he did a manga and part of corpses and I guess serious composition for

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the last singular point which I hadn't seen and if I remember was that the orange show or was that pulling on pictures is just it was bones and orange wants an orange right right I watch the first couple of episodes of that it didn't like keep my attention but it was interesting so he worked on this director is mocochan

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because mocochan is the pen name of someone named toma kimura yes and they also worked a lot on a lot of other science or stuff like the Scott pilgrim takes off

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of a one a and dandadan and yeah so we also have a cool and varied soundtrack by john who was responsible for this we have a few different composers there is real kone she who

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did some work on the opening theme for which a telly a there was taisa you a socky who is just come up before I believe did some work for blood blockade battle for an

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immense I thought about that show holy yeah and you can't again like the new adaption and you key kind of soccer who apparently had done pretty much all of the music for as far as I can see here for doctor stone and a little bit for a blood

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key battle front so yes I recognize this one of his tracks in this it's a very varied soundtrack I guess that makes sense that there are three composers but it feels like it mixes a lot of different styles you have like a lot of jazzy components in there you have some piano suits you have a couple of electronic music and everything

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so it's pretty interesting like you keep keeps things varied and feels like it's fitting depending on the mood that the episode is trying to convey so I mean jazz isn't something I think I would mentally associate with

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the future punker cyberpunk but it works works really well yes it's more and it's also used I guess more in the lighthearted sections and it kind of fits the loose animation style of a science

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I would say in that regard it's a good choice have it in there so yeah it works with the show it doesn't feel alien when it comes up in the soundtrack and everything so I was like oh this is just nice is fits this is cool and in general just like this is one of those shows where the visuals are doing a lot of

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like work to get you into the show in terms of the atmosphere there they are trying to convey and that they're establishing and everything and yeah science

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so it's just doing their darnit is like this this is a very pretty show even considering how cartoon it is and you know how fast

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pays in this because it's a very fast pace show holy shit in more than one ways it feels it feels like it at least in certain moments still takes a time to let you

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like take the atmosphere in and breathe it in a bit which I think is very important cyberpunk anime that's where it's like I want some

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moments of reflection there and some moments where I can just take the city scape in and have some weird visual accompanied by the music and everything in that that I just want to

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like have it ejected into my brain and think about and everything and I feel like this show is also doing that not as much I guess as I wanted it to be because it is so fast pace and there's so much information

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conveyed on the screen at any given moment yeah they throw a lot I was even saying to CC before we started recording I feel like I should have watched it a second time

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because a lot a lot of this flu passed me yeah saying I mean this is taking jumping ahead I bet I guess but I I like to show a lot

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but I kind of was completely tuned out on the deeper discussions it was maybe trying to have with its viewers like every time it went into full techno

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bubble and philosophical mode my eyes glazed over a bit I thought that was interesting but like when they were having those

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discussions and they were throwing stuff on the screen at the same time with the additional subtitles and information I was like I

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need to pause like every 10 seconds here even and this was another show I was watching dubbed and even then I still feel like it was a lot to take in because

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man I got to say about the English voice cast they were really channeling a lot of the energy of like the old

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dubs really well so I felt I felt like in English just felt like it was like right at home like a Susie Young played a

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Multicoccusan I was definitely getting a lot of um oh god what was the name of the voice actor Su played

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a Kusunagi in the past uh Maria Elizabeth McLean I think and it was like it was a few closer eyes moments but you could really

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tell that they were trying to put someone show was incredible as Aramaki like you cleaned off you played the characters like very

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straight and most first but you know he when he was having fun you could tell you it's having fun like like I was

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saying I think in the sneak peek there's an episode where Kusunagi plants I don't know Bato plants a bomb in Aramaki's car in Aramaki just like he

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anticipates he just jets away on a scooter in it's like okay yes all right this is pretty good like in general this is so this was

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so much funnier than I expected the ghost in the shell show ever to be and considering you know if you

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look at the manga in certain parts it's a lot funnier than any of the previous incarnations of this like there is

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so much humor in this there's so much wacky stuff in there and all the characters in this behave like that like

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all the characters that were kind of these stern badass is before kind of mysterious and you see them so much of

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them in this being kind of failures of human beings in like Ishikawa like has this badass moment where he

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snipes a guy from I don't know how many hundred meters away and then he gets immediately got by this guy that is

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that is hacking him and whatever and he gets super mad and to Kusun the new who was always the newbie in the

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previous incarnations but in this he's like a real noob like he's making so many rookie mistakes in this and they're

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very funny in parts and Bato is just like this he's just misshift incarnate misshift incarnate he's like this wrecking ball of

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idiocy in a lot of parts but intentionally like he's kind of he makes an ass out of itself a lot of parts because he just

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enjoys it and he's a bit of an asshole really like everyone to a degree in this is is one and like I said

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there's a lot of like a lot of these characters are antagonistic towards these are other each other and

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behaving like that you feel there's a lot of love there as well especially especially between Kusunagi and

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O you feel like there is an old relationship like they've already worked together a long time and they rely on each other

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and they trust each other but even they give each others japs on a regular basis and I was most surprised by

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the way Kusunagi like behaves towards a remarky because it feels like in the previous incarnation it was always this

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oh that is her superior and she's a lot of respect for him and everything I might be misremembering but that's how I remember it

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and in this she's kind of like out of fucking ape face and it's like bad how he looks like a monkey do you want

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yeah I get it but still it's like that's not how I know her and it was really funny seeing her behave that way

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and she's kind of behaving that the same way to her teammates as well like like the first big love is everyone diving into her brain by her

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permission and then her teammates promptly complaining that it's a big old mess up in there hashtag relatable I guess but it's it's very funny

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like there's a lot of this kind of humor in this show where a lot of characters who who are get take take down a peg

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even after being a badass or maybe trying to be a badass and no no one is safe from that like not even the bad guys

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there are so many funny moments where bad guys are like feel like a real threat and then there's this kind of funny and sad

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Robert when it just came taken out immediately by the major of my kusanagi in one way or another

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and in a funny way like makes them look like a complete fool to a degree like they die in a really really I don't know

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shame for us the wrong word but a really pathetic way and that's that's happening a lot and you know stuff like

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you know kusanagi Makoto hacking superior and then making a punch himself in the face and everything like this does a lot of funny stuff

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not even mentioning the Fuchikomas you know the little robots that they get in despite a robot that they use who are the main comedic

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relief in the show I guess and there you know even they have their side adventures and the stuff where they suddenly feel like they want to take over the world

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and kusanagi has to hack one of them and try to act like that's a bad idea and everything so it's really funny but also

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adding them on so that they can air their grievances and then feel like they have done something which is like a real

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interesting like parallel to social media activism I guess to a degree it's like hey you make people feel like they actually

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accomplished something and no they did not and that's that kind of place out in the in the touchy in the Fuchikoma thing so it's really funny

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there's there's a lot of really good humor in this adaption in this show and that's one of the things I appreciate

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the most that because that's one of the things I never remember getting from old ghosts in the shell or do you know

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it was always played so straight like everything about it was played so straight as far as I can recall from all of the past

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adaptations this is so wildly different apparently much more true to the original manga so

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like I never watched the old 1995 or 2004 films so I don't have a frame of reference for those

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yes but they are as straight as you can get and as straight forward and as serious as you can think like this

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the most serious movies ever most very solemn serious movies you can think of that's that's the first to go

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the ghost of the shell movies so this is the complete opposite of that and depending on what you expect from your ghost in the

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shell this might annoy you or this might not be what you want and I know a lot not a lot I don't know how many people

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actually but I heard people complaining about this adaption when it wasn't because they really not yes

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yes I've seen that that people like what is this this is not ghost in the shell because they were not familiar with the manga

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and we're like okay this is super weird this is too wacky for me this is kind of this is strange how the characters behave and everything

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why is this so wacky why is this so loose in terms of animation star why is everything so cartoony

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and yeah so I can understand that but I would still say give it a chance because it's just it's cool it's interesting

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it's it's just a different flavor and you know you still get some of the same story beats in that you got in the old show

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because there is there is of course the puppet master storyline in there which was in the first movie

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they do it in an adaption of that and yes it's that's that's where the show gets freaky I guess at some point

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where also a lot of the you know cycle the philosophical stuff comes in and everything and it gets very surreal when my

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co-to has a conversation with though with them with them and in their cyber brain merch or whatever

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so that's also in there and I feel like that kind of also lends itself to sign sorrows very loose animation style

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because it get a lot of weird weird surrealist imagery in there a lot of that felt like a neo-jesus of a gallion callbacks to be honest

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where it's like okay this feel like I've seen that in that show before so it was really interesting but yeah

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it's I think and we talked about this it's biggest problem is and especially considering how slow

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and methodical the old movies and show felt this feels like someone just hit the fast forward button

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and through some coke and acid at the screen while they were at it it's a lot to take in in a very short

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amount of time so even more so than it being a different tone being a different style I can understand

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if it's too hectic for some people to follow every little plot detail though I would argue don't

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necessarily need to have a good time and get the basic just of what is going on but if you just really want to engage with this version of it

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you really probably need to watch it twice or you need to take to pause the playback every other second

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because like John said there's a lot of information conveyed verbally there is a lot of

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additional information conveyed through subtitles and I did not even get subs for these little text blobs you got in every other scene at the bottom of the screen

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so that when completely passed me all the explanations for stuff they put in there for terms for different government branches

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and whatever apparently that is in these little insert texts I got none of that because my subs did not translate that

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yeah there were like three different sub tracks there was the Japanese English translation there was the

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closed captions the quote unquote dubbed titles and then there was the translations for the stuff on screen so

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there's a lot all at once and you have to guess the best way to be watch the dub with just the translation track on it but it's like you're still asking a lot of people to expect them to do that

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yes but there was this price skipping ahead again a little bit but now it's the second season for this maybe when I go back and watch

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I'll try and I will go back and try to rewatch it before then and try and pay a little more attention to that stuff to see if I can pull a little more out of it

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because I just feel like I need to rewatch it period because oh my god yes Sam so became sometimes distracted and everything because you know

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reasons so that's that's definitely a show I need to be you need to be fully focused on otherwise you will will miss out on stuff and even if you are I feel like if you fully locked in

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there's so much information being conveyed in a short amount of time that that can become kind of daunting it's not like it's a super complicated story or

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anything you get like I said you get most of what is going on by just watching the show but the details and the little intricacies and the connections between all the different characters and all the different

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different parties and everything and the back and forth and the mind games and the tricks and traps the tricks certain characters play and the traps certain characters said

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twist and turn some of that will feel like it comes out of nowhere if you hadn't fully caught the lead up to it and everything and the whole discussion about certain things so I wouldn't be surprised if some people felt

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like they were a bit lost and I wouldn't be right then for that because I sometimes felt the same way and I'm usually pretty good at following these things so yeah it's it's a thing

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but yeah so you might to get full everything out of it you might have to rewatch it and again you you will probably have a good time either way but depending on how heavily you want to get with the material it might be a bit daunting to grasp all of it on the

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first try even if it's not a super complicated story but it's going certain places and having certain discussions and then if they throw all these terms at you that are so specific and everything and a lot of visual information at the same time that can just be a lot if you just want to relax and watch a

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lot of them cartoon yeah I mean if I get out of be honest I hate when people are like oh if you didn't understand the movie you have to watch the second time there were some movie a few years ago I can't

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remember what was where people were like oh you really have to watch it twice and I was just like me shut the fuck up but I feel like with this it's at least

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enjoyable enough on its surface with with the action with the characterization that I think it would motivate you don't want to watch again if it if you thought those other things about it were neat

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yes there is like there's a very superficial enjoyment level that is consistent throughout the entirety of the show through the entirety of the season

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it's like you if you want to look at cool and pretty things and a lot of things go boom and splat then hey this you you're going to get that like let the lighter tone and cartoony

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art style not fool you like there's some seriously dark shit happening show and a lot of plot is happening in the show some of this is pixelated I think it's something you also already did in certain regards just you know out of playing with

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also not you being able to seeing everything if you have like a cyber cyber brain or whatever so that's that's fun and but yeah there is a lot of

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there's a lot of sexy jokes in there they nerfed the the threesome scene though I mean the threesome I mean yeah I guess they would have to for TV

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yeah I guess and it that's the movie I was singing everyone's like oh you got to watch it twice bro yeah I mean technically to get all of it because a lot of the stuff is only paid off I mean I

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mean I get I would say you get more of it if you watch it twice yeah something but I just remember people constantly saying that about it and it was like all right yeah

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yeah I mean as someone who has watched it twice yes you get more of it if you have already watched it but you don't need to understand it that's the

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but yes so there is a lot of fun stuff happening in here there's a lot of sexy stuff happening in there it's very rich in cause everything speaking of sex

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that's sexy stuff I really appreciate it that the the one part of the episode like they they split up a certain episode in terms of story like they bring in like they they

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have to like these mini stories like one episode is not one entire story but several mini stories and one episode they opened a second or third part of that

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episode up with there being a full on as shot of the macoto and then the episode title brain drain being plaster all over it

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but I love that I thought that was really funny so there's stuff like that and there the show has really knows what it's doing and what it is supposed to have fun with and

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which which with which things it's which things it's supposed to take seriously for the most part but yeah it's it's a wild show and you will have a good time

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probably even if you don't fully take in all the stuff it has to offer especially when it comes to discussions between kusanagi and aramaki

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who have some thoughtful discussions and even even kusanagi and baka but oh right they have some interesting stuff and also in general you see side you never saw the other

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episode like she has a relationship in this in yeah at least one episode which I did not expect from the show I don't know if that ever was brought up in the old versions

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you always feel like this loner and he she just has a relationship with this guy from section of a guy from section one and she has relationships with the girls apparently at least sexual ones so there is like there's a lot of

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fucking in the show I guess so which I also didn't expect from ghost in the shell and it was fun and it's like okay that's in here that's cool so I mean the future sexy apparently yes and I'm glad they didn't take all of that out just

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they felt like they had to or something I mean they took the most like I said they took the the the very explicit in the manga very explicit

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female three some out that happens in the second episode but I think that was already taking out for the American version of the manga if I'm not mistaken I mean that much of these stands to reason but you know yes so that I mean some people complained about it

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and I get it I feel like I'm more completely faithful it actually would be nice but also you know it's a different time you don't have old OVA time any war where this would fly also this this

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aired on network TV in Japan as well as streaming so you know yes I mean if it went fully streaming even then they would probably not have a

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death I don't know if you see the pages from the manga John I haven't but it is very explicit it is very explicit so maybe I'm streaming the if it was

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exclusively on streaming excuse me they could get away with something but you know they think it's a character could have been

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something like that which is not happening in this there's I guess a top of seen but it's in shadow shadow and everything but also it's one of those things where it's like yeah okay I get when people complain about this this not

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being a completely faithful adaption but also just down a fucking hand time and just get it over with like please please choose your battles who fucking gives a shit like that's

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a man please choose your battles I get I get the argument is like okay we can see people's brain get brains getting exploded and splatter all over the fucking screen

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and pavement in the show and everyone else but we can see a couple of tits and I absolutely on the side of the tit lovers in that

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argument absolutely you know what you know what yeah I never understood the problem with you know they're being no problem being depicting the most gruesome acts of violence and then just being completely oh no we can't

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show nipples that's not that's not okay so what the fuck are you doing yeah exactly so that's that's ridiculous but also you know I totally understand it not being in this I totally get it

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and if you want to see that scene right the manga is fine it's only no one gives a shit so it doesn't detract from the show that it's not in there fully and it's alluded to it's in there in spirit I guess and it is sexy enough I guess so

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why would you even complain about it that is in there and then of course you have all the serious shit you that with I guess mostly works like mashing these two things together having all the

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comedic bits and they're having the wacky stuff in there but also having some serious story bits in there and some serious themes that are that are tack that are tackled and then are being discussed like I said I didn't

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catch all of the discussion of all of that and it a lot of it also especially when it comes out of the mouth of Bartow feels like old man yelling at

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cloud which is I feel like at least that's what I heard about it is very much masamunishiro like he kind of I guess was always that even when he was young so whatever product of the time it's time I guess but in certain parts

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which which which considering what some of the characters say what what's my co-host says was but also says especially like a lot of the shitty says is kind of like Jesus Christ dude I was like taking a

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back a bit but then I also consider okay this is if this is a straightforward adaption and I don't know if they updated any of the text from the manga I don't know if they took

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out or put anything into make it more acceptable of whatever for the current time and what it didn't feel like it so it's like okay this is a product of its time and some of the stuff just feels outdated so that's okay I guess and it's still people different

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people that exist in this universe saying these things it's not necessarily the author like saying these things and making that his opinion and everything so I guess that works it was just like okay I it's it's fine

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it's just certain scenes in here make me do the true Scanlan blinking guy meme alright okay okay I guess I guess I guess I get I get where they're coming from and I'm fine but yeah it's it's definitely it's certain parts feels like it's like an older show a product of its time and with what the characters have to say and everything

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but it's okay like that's fine if you can accept that it's from that era and that it's from and that it's written in that era and that that is reflected in the show and you don't like ignore that fact and I think you can enjoy it a lot and it's

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it's crazy to think the manga is from 1989 Jesus yeah so just be aware of that and I think you will have a good time and hey if you find enough fun things in there which I think you will to watch it a second time you will probably get a lot more of it out of it

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because it will be easier to with all the basic tables setting out of the way and everything and knowing where the story goes to pick up on a lot of the details and especially when it comes to discussions between Makoto and the puppet master which is kind of the last third of the show there's a lot of foreshadowing happening already in the early episodes

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that's you know some of the things will come into play later again and they do that not only with that storyline but also with some other parts of it and some character relations and everything that get paid off later but the puppet master storyline which of course James Lee was also in the old movie and everything or both movies I guess to a degree

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that is kind of the main thing that is happening in the last third of the show and heavily relates to what Makoto is doing and everything and what her fate is at the end of this season which is very interesting considering the now a non-st second one

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so we'll see where this goes but a lot of that stuff is really just weird surreal shit thrown at your face and on the side of that you have like this philosophical discussion about humanity and cyber brains and everything's roll and dead and can you even how do you know you are real when you're basically just accumulation of data on a hard drive anymore and everything right and all of that is being talked about and discussed not only between those two

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but heavily between those two but also between our marky and Makoto and even Makoto and her friends which is funny when they talk about this and in the cafe and then one of her friends like me and Makoto you really bring the mood down

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so the show is even having some fun with that but some of that stuff is kind of like heavy stuff and it's like okay where are they even going with this what I even trying to say anything I have to think about this and the show doesn't really give you the time to do that because it's just so fast pace and it goes to next scene next scene and there's a lot of just visual extra organs are thrown in your face at the same time it's like okay I need some time to process this

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and yeah so be prepared for that but outside of this this is just a fun right super highly produced like incredible production values it just looks fantastic all the way from beginning to end like I don't think I had any episode where I was complaining about any of the production aspects of this did you know absolutely not like I haven't watched I have not watched a whole other science are produced stuff but from what you and other

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people have said they their work on other shows translates to this level of effort like they just they just hit the ground running and they just go and have I remember the last thing I watched by them that they produced but this show was it look great from top to bottom they there are no notes on that at all agreed yes and again second season most confirmed

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but I don't really know where they intend to go with the story I don't know if they wrapped up the manga completely with the first season I mean in a sense the second movie was almost completely taking kusanagi out of the equation it was more about Botto but are they going to do that again and make

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by two them in character for the second season no idea I have no idea what what's going to come so yeah I don't know if they cover because

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a hero originally wrote three manga there was the first one here at all there was one point five human error processor and two man machine

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interface so I got to imagine what comes next would probably be an adaptation of one and or both of those I wouldn't be surprised and I don't know what who the main character and that is if I don't know I don't

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think about the bag of originals I can just assume the movies took some from that and maybe some of what happens in the sense is also going to happen in the second season of this but I'm not sure but I I'm super interested to find out like I said even if I

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probably didn't take everything from the show that it was providing me with I had a good time sounds like you did too John.

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Oh yeah for sure and like I've been saying all throughout I do want to sit down and watch it again whenever they announce the air date for the second season that's probably when I'll sit down and try and do it.

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Hopefully I have less to watch that time like right now this season right now in this season there is less that I am watching I have a couple shows I'm not super 100 on so maybe those will go and I might watch them.

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I might watch some other stuff instead but for now it's just TBD when I'll actually stand watching because I do want to watch it again and yeah where can people watch it you can watch this on Amazon Prime it looks like it's extremely exclusive beyond Amazon Prime for the international audience so that is the one place you're going to be able to see it.

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Okay well yeah then do that people because if you remotely interested in ghost and shell in cyberpunk anime in science fiction anime period if you haven't checked out anything of ghost and shell might as well just start here and have a good time with it even though it might be a bit you know a bit much on the first watch but maybe also not maybe you will be more engaged in we are or more more focused let's say

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and not be yeah overwhelmed by its visual overload and everything and all the stuff is it's throwing at you but again even if it that we had a good time with it we enjoyed it we could even enjoy it on the superficial level because it has a lot to offer in regards to production values and humor and everything funny characters fun characters and everything so yes watch the ghost in the shell

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and if you don't want to watch this you can also watch the old movies if you want to have it more serious but I think this is just a good time to jump into that universe if you haven't yet.

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And that is a wrap on the 185th episode of anime brain freeze all the music in our podcast is from the double drag neon soundtrack by the amazing Jay Kaufman please go to v i r t dot bank and calm and check out is awesome work find us well the podcast live but also check out anime brain freeze dot com for review index and more please leave us a review and rating on Apple podcast Spotify or your podcast app of choice if you can follow us on the socials or send an email to anime brain freeze at gmail dot com we would love to read your feedback thanks for tuning in we hope you had a good time and please join us again in our next episode.

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That's good so long everybody.

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Next time on anime brain freeze which is lust for revenge is not to be trifled with and the 20th century is the age of electricity that age is now.

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