1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,720 "My name is Luke. My job as a surveyor takes me into all kinds of places. This happened 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:20,160 to me and my crew in the Allegheny foothills in Pennsylvania. The job is simple on paper. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,920 You close a gap between two old corners that don't agree anymore. Now that happens more 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:30,200 often than you would think. Deeds copied from old deeds that were copied from even older 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:36,680 deeds. And old landmark trees are now gone derot and you can't find them. And those old 6 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,000 iron pens that were good enough when everyone shook hands on them. Well, you can't find 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,240 those because they're mostly rusted to dust. So you go out, you cut a line, and you run 8 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,200 a shot, and you make everything line up to bring the corners together, at least on the 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:01,260 map. That was the plan. That day it was me, Cody, and the new kid, Ethan. I've been out 10 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:05,920 on crews for a decade or more. It's long enough to know what kind of day you're going 11 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:12,920 to have just by the way the dew burns off the grass. This day started cool and bright. 12 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,440 The sun was clean overhead, but on the ground you wouldn't know it. The brush there was 13 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,920 a shoulder high and stitched up tight. A green ceiling, ten feet up of heavy brush, most 14 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,640 of it laurel. Now when you're in that kind of dense brush, the morning looks and feels 15 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,440 more like late afternoon with what little light that you get through. And the sounds there? 16 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:42,080 They're hard to pinpoint. We parked the trucks off a logging spur, 17 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:48,000 shouldered up our gear and went in single file. Cody had the tripod and total station. I 18 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,800 had the prism rod and lathe. Eden with a ribbon and a handful of brush takes. Now the line 19 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,080 we were cutting ran northeast to southwest. The bearings from the office were good. We just 20 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,880 needed to lay them in the dirt and make the two old corners meet up in the middle. Now 21 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,160 you don't think about wildlife when you're out in the bush on the job. At least I don't. 22 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,680 I do think about Hornets, ticks, and hidden holes. Unfortunately I have been the repeated 23 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:23,240 victim of all of those many times before. Bears are around, sure, as are hogs. But you 24 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,400 usually hear them before you see them. Experiences taught me if I hear something that could 25 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,480 be either of those, I back up, I give up the ground. And I try to keep as much distance 26 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:41,340 as I can between them and me. And if I can't do that, I try to keep the biggest tree 27 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:48,360 I can find between me and them. And I hope it doesn't notice me. By 9 that morning we'd 28 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,360 cut 50, 60 yards of line. Enough for Cody to throw some clean shots. We had a light wind 29 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:02,020 in the tulip poplars around us. But where we stood, the air stayed damp and green smelling 30 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:08,840 and very still. You know that smell is the smell of work to me. Crushed green from the cuts 31 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,200 we've made. Leaf litter bruised and crunched under our boots. And a little bit of dirt 32 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,880 that's floating in the air. That somehow gets in your mouth and your nostrils. 33 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:27,240 Twice that morning we heard what I called nox. I said it that way too, real casual. Hey, 34 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Cody, your woodpeckers trying out something new today. Cody just snorted. And in case you're 35 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,720 wondering, that was a weird inside joke for all of us. And I'm not going to explain that 36 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:44,320 one. Anyway, what I heard was not the sound of branches falling. What we heard were two 37 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:50,800 clean hits with a pause in between. It was the sound of hardwood on hardwood. Far to our 38 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:58,080 left the first time. Farther left the second. Sort of like a heavily delayed echo. We didn't 39 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,600 stop what we were doing, because we don't get paid to listen to things out there. We're 40 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:09,560 paid to make the numbers agree on maps. Around noon we stretched the line another 40 feet. 41 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,160 I said a lath. Drove it with three taps. Wood on wood. Then flagged it bright enough 42 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:21,360 that a blind deer could have followed it. Cody called out. "Hold!" from the station. 43 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:28,440 I lifted the prism rod, moved it just a whisker. Listen for the tone and locked it in. See, 44 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,440 I like that part. Bring the world into alignment. Watching all the numbers settle. 45 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:41,360 Now, that's when Ethan put a hand on my sleeve. Ethan wasn't some jumpy kid, but he did have 46 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,760 that fresh higher earnestness, you know, the kind that makes you careful with what you say. 47 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,800 So you're not the one responsible for corrupting him and teaching him bad ways. Or so our 48 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,400 boss says. Ethan looked at me and nodded to the left and he said, "Hey, you hear that? 49 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,880 At first I heard only the leaves shaking high in the trees from the breeze." Then I caught it. 50 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:11,360 A forceful movement in the wall of brush, twenty yards to the left, and followed by another, 51 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:18,160 closer to our right. It wasn't the leaf flutter that you get when a gust plays with the trees or 52 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:24,320 bushes. This was a forceful sound of brush and branches being moved with deliberate carefulness. 53 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:33,040 "Bear?" Ethan whispered. "I shook my head no." "Nah, if it is, it's got a brother with him." 54 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:41,520 I told Cody, "Hold your shot." And he gave me one soft whistle. That was our copy, signal. 55 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:48,960 The tripod creaked as he shifted his stance. The green wall went silent, and all movement back 56 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:57,120 there stopped. "Hello?" I called out. "Not because I expected an answer back, but I've learned 57 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,560 a human voice is sometimes a really good deterrent for any creature out in the wild. They do not like 58 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:10,000 us, and I think it's with good reason." From the left flank came a single sound, it's hard to describe. 59 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Not a chirp, not a Twitter, and it wasn't a growl or some kind of humming noise. I really can't 60 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:24,560 find a word for it. It was garbled and fast, but it didn't sound like speech or any type of communication 61 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:31,440 that I recognized. While I'm thinking about that, about three seconds after that, from the right, 62 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:39,040 came an answering sound, much like the other one. And then straight ahead, the green of brushwall 63 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:46,720 parted. When it stepped out from the brush right into our cut line, I suddenly felt like a very small 64 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:53,200 person. Now I'm not going to trot out my heightened weight like they're big deals, but I have never been 65 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,280 accused of being small. And I have to say in my whole life, not too many people have ever tried to 66 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:05,920 pick a fight with me in a bar, ever. Now if you're thinking I saw some guy in a suit that was playing a 67 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:14,560 prank on me, you are absolutely dead wrong. I'll tell you why. Suits have seams in their baggy where 68 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,760 they should be solid. Fur, even in the best suits, doesn't lay with a natural pattern. It will lay 69 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:31,280 away from the seam, usually in a haphazard fashion. What I saw was a solid body. It was definitely a real 70 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:38,400 body with eyes that were looking at me, and that face was no mask. Now over the years, I've seen some 71 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:45,360 great Halloween costumes. I've seen Chubacca. I've seen Bigfoot. I've seen people trying to be bears and 72 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:51,840 all sorts of things. But I'll tell you this. How on earth anyone could see any kind of a costume 73 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:58,960 and broad daylight and ever be fooled into thinking it's a real thing such as Bigfoot or even a bear 74 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:07,200 is beyond me. What I saw had a chest that was wide and solid, and the belly in the torso was firm and 75 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:13,840 muscled. You could see that even with all the hair. The arms on it were long enough they hung past the 76 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:20,320 mid-thigh. The hair had a deep brown base with some rusty red in it, and some of the hair around 77 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:28,000 the top of the head looked almost blonde like the sun had bleached it out. The head was tilted forward 78 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,360 just a little. Chin tucked, brows sticking out over the eyes like some big sun visor. I saw the 79 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:42,640 eyes. They did a small circuit around looking. First at me, then Ethan, then passed us toward Cody, 80 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:52,080 and it never moved the head hardly at all. Just the eyes. It stood 15, maybe 20 feet down the line, 81 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:59,120 just inside the cut where the lights landed in across where it stood. There was enough light that 82 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:05,280 I saw the skin where the hair was thin along the cheekbones. It was a seasoned chalky, deep brown 83 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,280 smoother around the eye sockets, rougher toward the jaw. The nose was wide, and it had a bridge that 84 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:20,080 you could see. The mouth line was wide and set. The lips just a shade lighter than the surrounding 85 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:27,680 skin. It breathed in through the nose. I saw the ribs lift under the hair, and the exact same rhythm 86 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:37,520 as a man, just deeper and longer. The smell that came after. It was earthy and wet leaves with a rank 87 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,840 note like musty old wood chest that had been pulled out of a damp basement. It was a strong smell. 88 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:51,200 It was the kind that stole your breath. Ethan's hand found the handle of his hammer. I heard him 89 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:58,640 whispered just a single word, and it's not one I can repeat. Me, I heard my own heartbeat in my ears. 90 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:05,040 The big foot or whatever your favorite pet name for something like this is, looked at the 91 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:11,280 lathe in the ground that I had just placed. It walked forward a full step, slow and deliberate. 92 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:19,360 I took a step back as did the other guys. Even with three of us, we knew if it came to a fight, 93 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:27,600 we would not win, whether we had hammers and other tools or not. It came forward just that step, 94 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:33,440 took another half step, then lowered itself with a small bend at the knees, right in front of the 95 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,520 lathe. It reached out with two fingers and one of its huge thumbs and plucked the stake out of the 96 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:49,520 ground and tossed it aside, keeping eye contact with me as it did so. Point made. My mouth worked before 97 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:57,200 my brain did. Hey buddy, we're gonna move the line, okay? I said that and don't ask me why I said it. 98 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,760 It was like I thought maybe it would understand me, but I know it wouldn't. So don't ask me because 99 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:12,560 I can't tell you why I did. After I said that, it lifted its chin just a fraction, pressed its lips out 100 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:20,720 and blew out a small puff. It wasn't a spit exactly. Not exactly a whistle either. It was just a puff of 101 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:27,840 air. From the right flank came two more of those odd sounds like we heard earlier. They were low and 102 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:37,840 spaced. As for me, I'd seen and heard enough, time to go. Back out, I said to my crew. Back out, 103 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:45,120 nice and easy. I left the prism rod upright where it was and I didn't bend to pick it up. I wasn't 104 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,240 going to drop my head and break sight line with what I was looking at and I wasn't going to turn my 105 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:57,440 back on it either. So I took a half step backward and then another. As I did so, the thing took a half 106 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:03,920 step forward. Not enough to close the distance and it wasn't minising or threatening, but it was 107 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:10,720 just enough to show me it could close the distance and it could be threatening and minising if it wanted. 108 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:17,600 I saw the muscles in the thighs roll under the hair as it moved. When its foot sat down, 109 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:24,320 the leaf litter was compressed into a broad oval. We eased out back along our own cut. 110 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:31,200 Cody broke the station down at a speed that I'd never seen before. He folded the tripod legs and 111 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,240 kept the whole triangle between him and the line while walking backward like a man carrying 112 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,840 expensive sheet glass. At about 30 feet of our retreat, my courage tried to rear its head and told 113 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:52,320 me to stop backing out. But then the smarter side of me took over and I kept backing out. We gave the 114 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:59,920 ground back to it as we retreated and no way it didn't think about it just like that. It knew what 115 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:07,440 we were doing. I saw its eyes and expression. It seemed satisfied that we were backing up and try 116 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:14,320 umpthent. We backed up all the way to the beginning of our cut and all the while it gave us a hard 117 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:21,920 lingering stare. It sort of felt like it was telling us to get out and stay out. It gave us that look, 118 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:28,560 then it took a long step and then another and it side stepped into the brush where it had first come 119 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:35,840 out. Then we heard it, working its way away from us. Just as the sound of it walking and moving 120 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:43,360 branches had faded away, the sound of the others in the brush nearby also moved away. I had almost 121 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:50,400 forgotten about them, perhaps because we never saw them. We continued backing up all the way out of 122 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:58,000 there. At the trucks, we didn't speak for a few minutes. Ethan sat on the tailgate, staring at his 123 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,440 hands like all the answers were written there, like the way he cheated on his ninth grade test. 124 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:10,320 I chugged a semi-warm gatorade just to get rid of the dry, thick feeling that my tongue and mouth 125 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:16,160 had suddenly acquired. Cody stood there and stared at the tree line as I drank my gatorade. 126 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Then he said, "We going back for your rod?" "Yes, we are," I said. "A beat longer than it should have 127 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,400 taken someone who was supposed to be the group lead. We're going to wait for ten, then we'll go 128 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:40,000 in slow and get it." So we waited. I watched the shadows on the cut line. After more like 20 minutes, 129 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,520 we finally went back in with the tripod out front, moving as silently as we could. 130 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:53,600 The prison rod lay where I had left it, reflect or face down in the duff. When I picked it up, 131 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,720 there was a smudge at the top edge of the reflector. It could have been my thumb from earlier. 132 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,800 It could have been brush-sap. The smudge was oval and higher than my usual grip, 133 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:11,120 but I didn't make any more of it than that. I was already thinking of too much at once, right then. 134 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:17,760 Four yards off the line at shoulder height. There were the markings of the entrance and the exit 135 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:26,720 of the creature, twisted and bent limbs, but not hard-broken brush. On the ground was a run of long, 136 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,080 deep impressions that overlapped on each other so much that they could have been prints from anything, 137 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:38,880 except we knew what had made them. There were a few clear, oval depressions that were clearer 138 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:45,040 than the rest. They were spaced long enough that you have to stretch hard to stand one foot in one 139 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:51,840 and the other foot in the other. We all three tried, and none of us could comfortably do it or hold 140 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:59,120 that position that long. It was halfway to doing the splits, and none of us men were made for that. 141 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:05,040 I measured heel to heel, and the average was almost sixty inches apart. 142 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,280 We bent the line twenty feet west to avoid the area that we had been going in. 143 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:18,320 We didn't know if it would be enough of a deviation, but we had to do something. We had to get through 144 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:24,880 there and we had to finish this job. I already knew in my head the paperwork would say something like 145 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:32,400 "Field fit due to extreme vegetation obstacles and terrain." I could have dressed it up with a 146 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,920 paragraph about practical access and slope, and none of it would necessarily be a lie. 147 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,480 The main truth was this, something didn't want us to take the straight shot. 148 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:52,960 So we moved. We were trying to be respectful. We worked the rest of the afternoon with a layer 149 00:16:52,960 --> 00:17:00,800 of silence under our normal talk. Ethan asked no questions, and he earned my respect for that. 150 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:07,120 Once, maybe an hour after the siding, we heard a single distant knock to the north, 151 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,200 but nothing answered. Once a squirrel tried to scare at least a decade off my life, 152 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,480 it darted out across the cut, exploding leaf litter at my feet as it did so. 153 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Every time the wind gusted, we three froze and listened, making sure the flutter of leaves wasn't 154 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:32,240 hiding something coming toward us. On the way out near where the cut met the logging spur, 155 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:39,920 something threw a small branch into the line from twenty feet off. It wasn't hard or close. 156 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,840 It hit a tripod leg with a tick and then fell. If you'd asked me before lunch whether a throne 157 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:54,000 stick could make my mouth go dry, I would have laughed, but I wasn't laughing then. I yelled out, 158 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:01,120 "We're clear!" and I kept the crew moving. I would not look to where the stick had been thrown from. 159 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:07,600 I did not want to see. Back at the shop, I wrote the field notes clean and careful. 160 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:14,800 The real story was left out, of course. What I did do was talk to Ethan the next morning before 161 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:22,640 we rolled out. "Hey, you ever feel weird like that again? Or you hear something that just doesn't 162 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:29,360 seem right while we're out there?" You say it out loud. We'll back out first, talk about it later. 163 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:34,960 No questions at the time. He nodded hard enough that I thought his cap would fall off. 164 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:42,400 Two days later, we had to tie in the West Offset with a short cross line. We went in early with 165 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:49,680 low light and colder temperatures. Nothing was moving out there but us. We set the cross, we shot it, 166 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:58,880 and we got out. Now, I never told the game-morden. I didn't call a biologist. A lot of people will say 167 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:04,160 that I should have. And maybe I should have. I don't know. But I didn't feel the need. 168 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:11,520 I was not alone when this happened, so I have no doubts about that day what I experienced or what I saw. 169 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:18,400 I do not need science to tell me what I already know. I don't need everyone else in the county 170 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:26,320 knowing and possibly jeopardizing my job. So if you need a word for it, I'll do the best I can and I 171 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:32,080 will describe it for you. If you need to find the best fitting word for it, well, maybe this will help 172 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:40,480 you. To me, it was Bigfoot. Here's what I can tell you. It was a hair-covered biped, taller than 173 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:47,440 any man that I've ever stood next to. It was built a little more like a muscular runner, more so than a 174 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:54,720 big bear. It had a face that you could read expressions from. It looked at my crew the way an old man 175 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,560 looks at kids running on his perfect lawn. It had strong hands with the poseable thumbs. 176 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:07,120 It didn't really want us hurt, but it also didn't want us where we were or where we were going. 177 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:14,720 So we've been our cut line and I'll go to my grave believing that was the correct professional decision. 178 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,040 I've had folks ask what scared me the most that day. I can tell you, it wasn't the size, 179 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:27,680 and it wasn't even that nasty smell. It was the suddenness of it all, if I had to say. 180 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,640 It was being smacked in the face with something that I never thought was even real. 181 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:39,440 To a guy like me who lives his whole life in quantities, arcs, measurements, degrees, numbers, 182 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,120 and solid things that you cannot argue with, the suddenness of something that shouldn't have been 183 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:52,400 there was what was scary. We finished the corridor the next week and our client was happy with the 184 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:59,360 as built. If they walk the line in five or ten years, they'll see that twenty-foot bow, 185 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,960 and they're going to think it must have gone around a huge clump of massive trees or something that 186 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:11,360 is suddenly no longer there. And I guess that's kind of true though, isn't it? We did have to go 187 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:19,600 around something. So why did it react like that? And why was twenty feet of an arc enough of a deviation? 188 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:26,160 Look, I don't have any solid answers. I've got some firm guesses. I think maybe we were 189 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:33,600 heading straight for its home. It's nested. Maybe that twenty feet deviation carried us just far 190 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:39,680 enough away on the cut that we bypassed it completely by the time we came back to the line for the 191 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:46,640 straight cut. I think it reacted the same as any of us would if we woke up and found out someone was 192 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:53,200 bulldozing straight through to our house. You would go out, confront them. Do anything you could to 193 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,800 stop them. Tell them to move it on down the way to somewhere else. Whatever you had to do, but you 194 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:06,720 had to stop them. Now that's just a guess, but it's the firmest one I've got yet. I still work, 195 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:12,800 still doing the same thing. I still go into the thick, heavy brush, but I talk more, not less while I'm 196 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:19,920 out there. I tell Cody where I'm stepping before I step. I call out back out sooner than I normally 197 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:27,040 would have five years ago, even if all I'm hearing is wind on the leaves. I'd rather be safe than sorry. 198 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:33,440 So that's the whole of it. Thank you for listening. Luke.