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Hello, and welcome to How Did This Not Get Made?

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This is the podcast all about the movies you've never seen, the scripts that were never

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filmed and the ideas that never even made it to the page.

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My name is Daniel Kawka.

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And I'm Lexcee Riley.

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It's my turn.

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Oh, fun.

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We're going to jump in.

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There's not nerve wracking at all.

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This is great.

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This is great.

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You're going to be fine.

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[laughter]

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So, we started doing this because of the spooky season.

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The Universal Classic Monsters are a spooky season staple.

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So we have Frankenstein with the Squared-Off Head and the Neck Bolts that is just as iconic

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as horror itself.

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There's the bride with three minutes of screen time and she's got a visual legacy as

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infamuses the others.

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So, Dan, right out the grave.

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I'm going to quiz you.

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I give you two out of technically eight classic monsters.

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Can you name the official eight?

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So there's the Gill Man.

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Yes.

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The creature from the Black Lagoon is his technical name.

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Technical name.

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We have Dracula.

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The Wolf Man.

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The Invisible Man.

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Oppressing her.

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Yep.

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And the Mummy.

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Didn't you just name the Mummy Toys?

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Because I named our lady.

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Our one lady, our Scarlett Johansson of the Avengers is the bride of Frankenstein.

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So, those are our eight Dracula was the first followed by Frankenstein then the Mummy,

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the Invisible Man, then our bride, the Wolf Man, the Phantom of the Opera and the creature

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from the Black Lagoon was the last.

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Which one is owned by Universal?

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They're all owned by Universal.

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Are you sure about that?

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Yeah.

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These versions.

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They're all based on prior books or novels or we'll get into all that.

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The creature is technically their new creation.

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A lot of their stories are based off of other books.

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There are a couple original characters that are really great.

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With a lot of these early studios, I know that they were trying to look for stories that

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were in the public domain.

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And Disney went the route of...

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Fairy tales, the Grims.

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And the Hans and all that.

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The Grims and the Hans.

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For Universal, Carl Lemley was like, well, have you heard about this Dracula character?

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We'll get there.

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We'll get there.

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So the classic era of monsters ran from 1931 to 1956.

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But before we dive into our complete monster roster and the universe they could have been

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a part of, we have to go all the way back to the beginning.

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We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for...

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Carl Lemley.

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Carl Lemley.

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If you live in Southern California and you're thinking of certain theaters, yes, we're

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talking about the same family.

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They're opened, owned, and run by his cousins.

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The movie business seems to be a family business for Uncle Carl.

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Small business.

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Small business.

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When Carl was 39 years old and living in Chicago, which means Dan, we still got lots of time.

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He pivoted careers from a bookkeeper to an owner of his very own motion picture company.

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And life only gonna go up from there.

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From Chicago, he would then move to a New York City and form the independent moving picture

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company or IMP.

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Next year's later, now 45.

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Carl would join forces with Pat Powers of the Powers Motion Picture Company.

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Mark Denton Fast of the Champion Film Company, William Swanson of Rex Motion Picture Company,

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David Horsley of Nestor Film Company, as well as Charles Bowman at Adam Kessel of the New

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York Motion Picture Company.

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These men merged their companies to form...

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Captain Planet.

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When all their rings were combined, they formed the Universal Film Manufacturing Company.

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Is this sound familiar?

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Warmer weather, cheaper labor, and ongoing legal battles with Thomas Edison, inspired

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and moved to the West Coast.

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Thomas Edison, the more I look into him, I realize, is such an ass hat.

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He is...

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He wanted the moving pictures to himself.

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He was a patent troll in a way.

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Oh, 100%.

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And he would take things that other people have made and just kind of took it as his own.

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The invention of the light bulb.

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I remember he gathered together a bunch of scientists who were trying to do essentially

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the same thing and once they came together, made the light bulb.

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He's like, that's mine now.

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He's going to take this over here.

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So it wouldn't be surprising that when he discovered or found the motion picture technology,

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he was like...

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The motion pictures.

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That's mine now.

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Just going to add this to the pile of inventions?

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So Carl, now in the San Fernando Valley, serving as president of the company, would go on

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to open a 230 acre.

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The world's largest motion picture production facility.

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Is it the entertainment capital of Los Angeles?

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That's right.

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It is.

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On March 15th, 1915, Universal Studios Hollywood would open.

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By this point, Carl had already actually done one monster movie.

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He had produced Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in 1913 under IMP.

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So we are predating the classic monsters a little bit because we are still in this silent

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era.

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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

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I'm surprised was not part of the original monsters.

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It is technically the first.

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Is the first one?

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The distinction that I've come to realize is that they don't consider the silent films part

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of the monsters.

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So the train coming to the station is not a monster.

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It's the talk is, but we'll get there because it's 1913.

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He's still working for IMP.

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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is based on the 1886 Gothic novella, Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll

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and Mr. Hyde by Robert Lewis Stevenson.

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Dr. Jekyll sends a note to his fiance saying that he cannot accompany her to the opera

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because he has to tend to his patients.

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His colleagues on the other hand tell him that his research is too dangerous, but he's

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going to proceed anyway.

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After reassuring his fiance yet again, his experiment begins.

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He drinks a vile intending to release the evil.

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The opposite happens.

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He's conscious and contorts and Mr. Hyde appears.

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He goes into the night terrorizing a nearby tavern, continuing his evil doing until one

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day he hurts a young man just so injured man with a crutch.

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I've also taken a shot of tequila.

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The town's people catch him in the act and Hyde offers to pay for the boy's injuries.

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He goes back, takes the potion and turns back into Dr. Jekyll.

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However, the transformation becomes uncontrollable.

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They call for an antidote, but it's too late.

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feels very rushed.

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That's back when he had like Nickelodeon's.

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It's written and directed by Herbert Brennan and starring King Baguette.

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King Baguette?

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B-A-G-G-O-T.

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I like that bakery.

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The biggest silent movie actors of the time.

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So hence why?

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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

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In order to achieve the personality shift, they used a dissolve effect.

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George Blasdell of Moving Picture World commented about Jekyll and Hyde.

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It's through the means of dissolving process that the transformation is made peculatively.

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Pecularily.

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Peculally effective.

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You see the change of the man of good to the man of evil right before your eyes.

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This theme is going to get touched on in every Universal Monster movie.

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It's the eternal fight of man's self of good versus evil.

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Very simple at its core.

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As we go through the horror team, you can see the question being asked over and over again.

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So are these monsters or are they just tragic heroes?

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Merely different than us.

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That was a theme that I came across when I was doing the research for Creature from Black

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Lagoon, where it's mostly just like a misunderstood person.

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And there was always that question that came up.

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Is he attacking these people for the sake of attacking people?

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Or is he simply just defending his land?

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Carl would go on to make two more silent monster films.

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Do you know what they are?

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Is one of them Nosferatu?

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Nosferatu, not Universal.

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It's not Universal.

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Also, they technically didn't acquire the rights correctly.

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Didn't pay for them.

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And so one point Nosferatu was going to get burned.

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The first one.

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Also, a Disney movie.

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I'm going to guess Sleeping Beauty.

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No, it is the hunchback of Notre Dame.

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Well, there's not a lot of ladies in the monster of the lineup.

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The hunchback of Notre Dame was in 1923 and was Universal's most successful silent film.

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But more importantly, we meet Lon Cheney.

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Cheney was a really big character of the time, but he is an integral part of our movie

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history.

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In 1925, we have The Phantom of the Opera.

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Again, this stars Lon Cheney as the Phantom.

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Carl Lemley actually read Gaston Laro's 1910 novel of the same name in one night.

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Bought the film rights.

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All for Lon Cheney to star in.

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Carl's niece Rebecca, professional and known as Carla Lemley, also appeared in the film.

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Cheney was a master of makeup, garnering the nickname "The Man of Thousand Faces."

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This Phantom reveal would go down in horror history as one of the most horrific moments,

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with several reports of screaming and fainting coming from the theaters.

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I'm kind of skeptical of whenever I hear these stories of people in theaters just freaking

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the fuck out.

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I remember in film school, I was told about the train coming to the station and people

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running out of the theater because they feared that a train was coming out.

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How much of that is true or how much is it embellished when the world was on the radio?

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In fact, not that many people actually freaked out.

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Some people were calling the police, but the newspapers really embellished how big the reaction

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is and how many people actually believed it was real.

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It's very, very true and I also was skeptical, so I looked it up.

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It's terrifying.

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So there's Christine Crapen.

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It creates an element of horror itself.

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I have that bust on my bookshelf.

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He stares at me whenever I watch television.

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How does he not make you scream and faint?

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Well, after I famed it the first dozen times, I had to turn him around.

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He no longer basis us.

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But he did all of that makeup by hand himself.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah, accentuating his own features to look more skeletal.

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In real life, Cheney was a very private man, so much so in his will.

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He stated that his grave go unmarked stating between pictures, there is no lawn, Cheney.

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In 1929, a shift began to happen in the moving pictures.

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Silent films were on their way out and the talkies were on their way in.

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I heard the story when I worked at Warner Bros.

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They used to have part of the jazz singer as part of the intro video that they had there.

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And there's a part where he says, you ain't seen nothing yet.

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He ends with that and then it cuts to black and there was like this really old lady in the

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theater and she goes, oh, you're awesome.

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So as the talkies were on their way in, Uncle Karl, father Karl, Lemley, hired his son,

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Karl Lemley Jr.

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As we're going to refer to him and as many did for clarity sake, so potential in drag,

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and universal legally acquired the rights for $40,000.

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Legally.

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Now he was the one that really pushed for horror.

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From my understanding, from the history that I like vaguely remember is that they just wanted

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to be just another studio, just making movies and he was the only one that was really pushing

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for horror films.

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He was pushing for horror films also because most studios were sort of like at this point

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getting their claim to fame of like what they were good at.

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fame yet.

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And he was like, vampire.

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It was an untouched market at this time.

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So we're going to leave the Lemley's behind and go straight into monster territory.

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We left off with the universal acquiring the rights to Dracula of $40,000.

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Our classic monster era begins with our favorite fangtooth man, Dracula in 1931.

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I am Dracula.

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Which is based on a 1927 play based on 1897, Brahmsdokers Dracula making this the first sound

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adaptation of the novel.

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Interesting.

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I don't know if you have this fun fact in there, but I did learn that with Brahmsdokers

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Dracula the novel Dracula actually has an aversion to the garlic flower, the tulip that

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grows from the garlic seed and it's not actually the garlic bulb itself.

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So garlic we eat yes, yes, yes, flower you smell.

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No, no, no.

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Yeah.

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So if you have garlic around your neck and doing anything, no, that's not going to do.

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I think it's the flower in particular.

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I like that lore.

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I love that.

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That's the aversion.

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Well casting to find Dracula wasn't nearly as smooth.

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Originally they wanted Conrad White, a German actor who you might know better as a major

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stressor and Kassablanca.

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However they feared his English wasn't good enough for the talkies.

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I mean that is kind of a odd moment of switching over from silent film to the Dracos because

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all of a sudden it's like, oh, you have a real weird voice.

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That's very singing in the rain.

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Like we've got a W.

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And Junior wasn't a fan of the Broadway Dracula that was Bella LaGosi.

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So this search expanded John Ray who had just come off of all quiet on the Western front

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was considered and they also considered our favorite Phantom Lone Cheney, but he tragically

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died in 1930.

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He was diagnosed with lung cancer, which was exacerbated by fake snow, lodged in his throat.

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Do you know what fake snow was made out of before we knew that it was bad?

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Wasn't it asbestos?

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It was asbestos.

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Yeah.

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There is no account that says exactly what the snow was made out of when he was filming,

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but that's sort of what they were using at the times who wouldn't be surprised.

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But it just looks so good and they just don't make snow like they used to.

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But with Cheney gone, options were limited.

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And LaGosi fought very hard and took a pay cut in order to play the famous count.

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Fun fact, there was a Spanish language version of Dracula shooting at the exact same time.

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So the Dracula.

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In fact, Todd Browning's English version would film during the day and the Spanish version

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would shoot on the exact same set at night.

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Oh.

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I feel like if you're shooting a Dracula movie, I would prefer the night shoots, but...

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I mean, if you're inside of a soundstage, time does really...

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But they're not always inside of a soundstage.

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Because if you've ever taken the Universal Studio Stewart, I think they call it Little Europe.

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This is not anywhere in my notes.

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They're outside sometimes.

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Maybe on those days they flip-flopped it.

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The story of Dracula goes that Renfield was traveling to Dracula's castle and mourned

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not to go because of the vampires.

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Renfield goes anyway.

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With a driver who is actually just disguised Dracula.

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That's most horror films in how they begin in the 30s, 40s, 50s.

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Even into the 70s, this is like regular dude goes to town.

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Everyone in the town is like, "What are you doing here?"

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Please go away and he's like, "I'ma do it anyways."

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And be like, "Well, you're gonna deserve to die."

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Yeah, we're doing a little synopsis of each of these monsters because it is super important

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to see the common theme and where it veers later.

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So Renfield goes anyway just before reaching the castle, poof, driver disappears.

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But a bad leads the horses.

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Renfield gets to the castle meets Dracula who hypnotizes Renfield who faints as a bad

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appears.

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Now everybody's on a ship and now it's time for Dracula to post up at Carfax Abbey in

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England.

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This is where the blood carnage ensues.

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He first meets Mina, her fiance John Harker, and her friend Lucy.

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Dracula feasts on Lucy first, but his sights are set on Mina.

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Meanwhile, an insect eating Renfields analyzed by none other than Professor Van Helsing.

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Dracula bites Mina and when Dracula comes to revisit later, there's no reflection.

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We're on it.

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Oh, right, we're on it.

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I've become one vampire.

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Which Van Helsing and Harker notice and deduce that he is our vampire.

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With Mina now Dracula's Van Helsing and Harker prepare for a fight.

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Van Helsing prepares a wooden stake while Harker searches for his fiance.

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Van Helsing finds Dracula, stakes him, killing him, and a girl Mina returns to the normal.

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Let me be clear, this is the abridged synopter because so much happens in Dracula.

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When Dracula was originally released, it doubled its box office.

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What do you mean doubled its box office?

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Like it made double what the-

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What the budget was?

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Yeah, which is at that time fairly new.

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The original ending was cut to more coincide with the motion picture code's censorship.

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When these first couple movies are coming out, that's not a thing yet.

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But the original held an epilogue with Edward Van Sloan who played Van Helsing, speaking

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straight to the audience.

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Just a moment, ladies and gentlemen, a word before you go.

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We hope the memories of Dracula and Renfield won't give you bad dreams.

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So just a word of reassurance.

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When you get home tonight and the lights have been turned out and you are afraid to look

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behind the curtains and you dread to see a face appear at the window, why just pull yourself

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together and remember that after all there are such things as vampire.

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With that word of warning, we go on to our next monster, a mere ten months later.

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Frankenstein based off Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or the modern Prometheus.

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We're about to unfold the story of Frankenstein, a man of science who sought to create a man

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after his own image without reckoning upon God.

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The classic story we all know and love.

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Dr. Frankenstein sources get ever parts from the local cemetery, so as we together, kaboom,

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lightning.

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And then through a series of basically accidents, our monster kills and the town mob ensues,

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chasing our poor fellow to the windmill and lighting on a fire.

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Here with a commentary, Frankenstein, fire, mad!

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And we are believed that he is left for dead.

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There are several infamous scenes from this film, but I want to note the scene with the

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little girl.

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Yes.

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Moments before a monster appears, she asks her father, "Daddy will you play with me?"

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The dad is busy, wanders off, and our monster appears.

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The little girl as children often do, don't see him as a threat.

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They make boats out of daisies, they smile, gentle and kind.

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Then he picks up the girl.

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No, you're hurting me!

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No!

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And he throws her into the lake.

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It's evident pretty quickly she can't swim.

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Our monster tries to help.

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Looks for help.

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There's no use.

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So Frankenstein, like Dracula, ran into moral censorship.

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The scene with the little girl originally shortened.

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To when he reaches for her, we never go to see her thrown in.

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And the famous scene, the "It's a Live" was actually a little different.

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It was a few lines longer when the doctor says, "I know it feels like the big arm."

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Oh, yeah, I can't have that.

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No.

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If you watch the film now, both scenes have actually been put back in.

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This was the first time I'd watch this in a very long time, and I get why they shortened

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the scene with the little girl.

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That moment holds up, still very horrifying.

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It's through a lack of education of understanding that he murders a child.

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In a sense.

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Yeah.

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Years later, when the father in shock, he's carrying his daughter's lifeless body through town.

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It is not a quick scene.

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He carries her for a long time.

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There is also an unsettling modern image now that comes with it of a large man attempting

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to talk to a young female child that is aged in an interesting way over time.

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So I would say the movie still really holds up.

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Frankenstein was another hit in box office, a success for Universal.

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It was also James Wales' first monster film.

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To go on to make two more monster films and his vision is a stamp on the monsters forever.

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Frankenstein's monster is probably like the spider man of the DU, the Dark Universe is

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what I'm going to call it.

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While Frankenstein and Dracula share in popularity, I would say the vampire lore as we were just

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talking about vacillates.

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Sometimes they're shiny, big litter, sometimes garlic reflection, but flour.

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Frankenstein's origin story and his imagery, super well known.

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He was Jack Pierce who was tasked with creating a creature look which took four painstaking

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hours to complete.

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The look originally had to be done by none other than Bel Lagosi.

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However, Lagosi wanted to play Frankenstein himself and not the monster.

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And this was for the best because the role went to William Henry Pratt.

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You know how that is?

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Is that Boris?

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It is Boris Carloff who is another like Loncini formative player in the monster mash.

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Carloff would go on to play the mummy.

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In 1932.

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In Ote.

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I preached in the temple of the sun at Carna.

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Four Othello know what could you have done to make them treat you like that.

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An execution for treason, I suppose.

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Story of the mummy went through several rounds to get to Emoepep.

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Originally inspired by the curse of King Tut's tomb and its subsequent opening in 1922,

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Richard Sair and Nina Wilcox puttinum pulled from Arthur Conan Doyle's The Ring of

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Toth, an Alessandro Cuglio Stroto, an Italian occultist.

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To write a nine page treatment in which a 3,000 year old magician used nitrates to stay

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alive.

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Yeah.

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John L. Baldurstorm was hired to write the script.

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And John was actually a journalist in 1922 and covered the opening of King Tut's tomb.

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So he changed it to the name of the architect of Joseph's step pyramid, which was Emoepep.

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And changed this one little point of Emoepep from enacting revenge on all women who looked

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like his ex to reviving his old love instead.

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So thanks, John.

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As far as the Emoepep story goes, the mummy is quite similar to its 1999 remake with the

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exception that 10 years passed.

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And Emoep fits into society, changing his name to Ardeth Bay before he starts searching

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for an oxenemun.

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So Emoep isn't that the monster mummy thing in the mummy ride?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Emoepep is super monster lore at this point.

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That is the mummy's name in the OG.

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It is the Brennan Frazier's villain.

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And yes, if you go on the ride.

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But it was named after an architect.

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Named after the architect.

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Oh wow.

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Yeah, it's super cool.

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It's like, well, I can't read Hieroglyphics, but I can read this guy's name.

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Yep.

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The original is actually far more horror.

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There's more death and murder and shocker the mummy dies at the end than its action romance

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predecessor.

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At this point, we are seeing that pattern form.

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Monster does bad thing.

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Monster gets caught.

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Monster dies.

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But our next monster is actually more of a man, an invisible man by the name of Jack

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Griffith in 1933.

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You're crazy to know why I am, aren't you?

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All right.

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I'll show you.

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We open on the lion's head in.

499
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,820
In a stranger with bandages, sunglasses, full incognito mode.

500
00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:49,180
He has like a prosthetic nose, walks in, goes to his room, some time passes.

501
00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:50,380
Our stranger makes a mess.

502
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:51,380
He's late on rent.

503
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:53,380
He's throwing people down the stairs.

504
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:55,340
All things attendant should never do.

505
00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:56,500
So who shows up?

506
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:57,820
The police.

507
00:24:57,820 --> 00:25:02,700
And laughing like a crazy person, he begins to unravel his bandages and disrobe, leaving

508
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:04,940
him, you guessed it, invisible.

509
00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:08,540
All but his shirt, he runs around the table while laughing maniacally.

510
00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:13,020
While the setting is absolutely ery, this movie, like a great horror movie, has really

511
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:14,020
funny moments.

512
00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:17,060
So he's just winning the pooling around.

513
00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:18,060
Yes.

514
00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:19,060
Laughing maniacally.

515
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,060
Yes.

516
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:25,140
He wreaks havoc on the town, like runs out and then we cut to a lab where we are discussing

517
00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:27,900
a missing Jack Griffin.

518
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,300
And monarchy.

519
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,460
It's a drug that's made from a flower that's grown in India.

520
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:35,540
It draws color from everything it touches.

521
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:37,020
It destroys material.

522
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:38,100
It's meant to bleach.

523
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:41,500
It turns a dog, dead white and raving mad.

524
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:44,100
Jack visits his old friend, Dr. Kemp.

525
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,580
And he says, you'll feel better if you can see me and demand clothing.

526
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:50,860
He forces Kemp to work with him for, you know, just some murder.

527
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:53,500
And they go back to grab his notes on invisibility.

528
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:55,100
Turns out the police are on him.

529
00:25:55,100 --> 00:26:00,020
And Jack and his invisible state attacks the officer and motives him.

530
00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:04,620
He finally runs into his fiance, Flora.

531
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:05,940
Kemp is betrayed him.

532
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,140
And the real murder's pre-begins.

533
00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:12,820
The invisible man has the highest kill count of our monsters, including a trained enrailement

534
00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:15,460
and the killing of Kemp and several others.

535
00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:16,460
Yeah.

536
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:19,660
He actually warns Kemp that he's like, I'm going to kill you tomorrow at 10.

537
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:20,660
Yeah.

538
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:22,060
You figure out that he has followed him.

539
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:23,060
There's a whole time.

540
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:28,500
He's interrupted by Aesno Storm from more murder and seeks shelter in a barn when the

541
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,340
police find out, you know, they said it on fire.

542
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:37,460
Because again, fire, another monster motif, forcing Griffin out and shooting him wounded.

543
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:43,180
And in the hospital, he talks to Flora stating, I meddled in things that man must leave alone

544
00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:44,540
and dies.

545
00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:47,900
This is the second monster film directed by James Whale.

546
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,780
And he keeps a more psychological theme going in his monster movies.

547
00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:53,980
Keep in mind, it's 1933.

548
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:57,740
Green screen is not around for another decade and is not going to be at least popular

549
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:59,700
until the 1980s.

550
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,260
So how did they get the visual effect?

551
00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:06,460
They used an all black set and black velvet floors to get rid of any reflection, which is

552
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:11,260
ironic considering that the rumor originally was that they used mirrors to achieve the

553
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:13,340
invisibility completely false.

554
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:18,220
This is one of those movies where the special effects knowing the time it was made.

555
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:22,780
You can kind of tell that like the special effects were discovered first and then the movie

556
00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:24,580
revolved around it.

557
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:31,260
Everything that is not exposed properly, so when you have dark spots, the celluloids that

558
00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:37,860
are on the film just don't react, which gives you the opportunity to then go in and basically

559
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:43,820
film over the same role of film again and it gives you that effect of that.

560
00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:48,700
So like with the invisible man, if he is dressed all in black, you're not exposing that film

561
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,500
and then when you expose it to like the scene where people reacting like he seems invisible,

562
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,820
there's a very impressive shot.

563
00:27:55,820 --> 00:28:01,560
There is one shot in particular where he's standing in front of the mirror and it was a composite

564
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:08,540
shot that took them four times to go through and I just knowing the process, knowing how

565
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:12,260
it had to line up is just still incredibly impressive.

566
00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:19,140
Yeah, they went in hand painted with a brush and die frame by frame to fix any imperfections.

567
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:24,100
It's the amount of thought that has to go into it in pre-production to make sure that this

568
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100
effect works.

569
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,900
It just blows my mind.

570
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,980
Especially for the time period, it's really cool.

571
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:32,300
I think my favorite scene is the unraveling scene.

572
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,260
This is when all of the police come burging in and he's like, "Ah, you can't see me.

573
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:40,340
Claude Reign who plays the invisible man is actually hidden inside the jacket."

574
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:44,620
And there's a small wire frame supporting each of the bandages as they are wind.

575
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:48,900
So they're not using the basically black screen for that.

576
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:52,580
It's a completely different invention of special effect, which I think is really cool.

577
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:53,580
That's amazing.

578
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:56,180
The special effects artist, John Peafolton.

579
00:28:56,180 --> 00:29:01,860
The film's final budget because of so many effects was $328,000.

580
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:06,740
Whales monster films tend to have wire budgets, including The Bride of Frankenstein, which

581
00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:16,460
is going to come in 1935 and came in at $397,000, which is $100,000 of a budget in 1935, so far

582
00:29:16,460 --> 00:29:17,740
over budget.

583
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:21,900
Because this is often listed as one of the best monster films and also I'm a little biased.

584
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:23,220
I'm going to say it's worth it.

585
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:27,220
For The Bride of Frankenstein, we start off with two men praising Mary Shelley for her story

586
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:28,220
of Frankenstein.

587
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:33,220
I will say that I watched this movie in preparation for this episode and I was kind of thrown

588
00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:35,580
off because I knew how the first one ended.

589
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:37,540
I had not seen Bride of Frankenstein.

590
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:39,780
I've only seen the original Frankenstein.

591
00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:45,700
And I was like, "Wait, are they doing a meta thing where they're actually talking to

592
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:46,700
Mary Shelley?"

593
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,220
I was like, "I'm not talking about her book that she wrote."

594
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:51,340
Do you know who plays Mary Shelley?

595
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:52,580
I don't know her name.

596
00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:53,580
Elsa Landcaster?

597
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:55,420
Do you know who she plays?

598
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:57,060
She also plays The Bride.

599
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:58,060
She does.

600
00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:02,580
Yeah, because I looked it up later because it said in the credits, it's like Frankenstein's

601
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:03,580
mate.

602
00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:04,580
Question mark.

603
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:06,340
Yeah, and they don't say it in there, but...

604
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,500
Did you see what the cast list says?

605
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:13,900
It says a good cast is worth the Phoenix because they were doing these at the beginning

606
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,140
in the end of the movie.

607
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:19,220
Yeah, this is definitely a time where the credits, because we're still trying to figure it

608
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:23,380
out, the credits would always come before the movie and then the movie would just end

609
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:24,860
without any credits at the end.

610
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:30,100
And then that's when the trailers began to show you what the next movies that were going

611
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,100
to be out there.

612
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,460
But I was shocked that it was the same actress between the two.

613
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:36,660
Yeah, she does a really good job.

614
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:41,100
I think if it wasn't in the credits twice, I don't know that I would have noticed.

615
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,060
Because her name already appears as Mary Shelley.

616
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:46,940
I wonder if that might have been a legal reason to be like, you can only listen to any

617
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:47,940
once.

618
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:48,940
And that's it.

619
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:51,780
And that's why they put it there or either that or it might just be just a gimmick.

620
00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:52,780
I think it's a gimmick.

621
00:30:52,780 --> 00:31:00,300
I really do because she's not in a lot because she appears so late and is so mysterious.

622
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,180
I really do think it's a gimmick.

623
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:03,180
Yeah.

624
00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:07,580
I wonder if maybe the director just felt bad for the actress to be like, you're such a big

625
00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:11,780
moment in this and yet you're only on screen for three minutes, like Max.

626
00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,060
You gotta get you some time.

627
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:16,980
I think James Whale, if you look at the three movies that he's done, because this is his

628
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:21,900
third and final monster movie, they are like I said, much more psychological.

629
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:27,500
And I think there is something to be said about Mary Shelley also being like the object of

630
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:28,500
affection.

631
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,660
I think it comes from more of a psychological story, place based on the way that he's directed

632
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:34,940
all of these films to bring it back.

633
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:39,500
I just kept thinking of the predator, the actor who plays the predator.

634
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:44,180
Not John Claude Van Dam, the guy after him, but John Claude.

635
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:48,740
John McTiernan felt so bad for him because he's such a great actor and knowing you have to

636
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:54,020
see his face, that he made him one of the soldiers in the beginning of the movie as well.

637
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:58,060
And that was my thought with the actress who played Mary Shelley, just like, oh, you're

638
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:00,100
on screen for such a little amount of time.

639
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:04,140
You're not really recognizable with like all that makeup and all that and be like, we

640
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:08,540
gotta like get your pretty face somewhere else in this movie somehow.

641
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:11,580
You can't be like the town hag who's yelling at people.

642
00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:16,580
I was a fan of this movie as a kid and rewatching it.

643
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,860
There's a reason that this holds up over time.

644
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:23,220
There's gotta be like a layer to the Mary Shelley bride thing.

645
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,500
It was how all of his films were.

646
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:30,180
That's where we start off is we pull a very meta like thank you for your story Mary.

647
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:35,260
And then we jump back to the exact moment the Frankenstein ended and we thought that the

648
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:37,180
monster was dead, but he's not.

649
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:39,180
His hand comes out of the.

650
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:45,260
Also Henry Frankenstein still very much alive and still very much an aqueous degree life,

651
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:46,260
a different life.

652
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:50,380
He now like condemns the monster that he has his fiance Elizabeth's not happy either

653
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:51,380
way.

654
00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:53,900
Like, please stop with your weird experiments.

655
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:59,860
Once healthy again, he goes to his mentor, Dr. Pretorius, which is one of the most interesting.

656
00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:04,100
I thought Dr. Pretorius like showed up at his door and was like, I got something for you.

657
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:05,100
Yes.

658
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,580
Cause he like he was sent up to his room and he's like, I'm not well.

659
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:12,580
He's like, well, get well because I need you to do this.

660
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:17,460
Pretorius and Henry get together to create more life, even though Henry's like, I don't want

661
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:18,460
to do this.

662
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:19,460
I've done it.

663
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:20,820
I don't want to do this again.

664
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:24,620
But Dr. Pretorius is one of the most like fun characters.

665
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:27,220
He is one of their now original characters.

666
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:32,060
He is written for this sequel because the sequel is actually really just part two of Mary

667
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:33,060
Shelley story.

668
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:40,060
And he delivers the now famous line to a new world of gods and monsters and.

669
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:43,980
And Pretorius begins to make a mate for the monster much to Henry's disagreement.

670
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:44,980
It's okay.

671
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:46,820
Our monster friend, he's already got his own friend.

672
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:48,780
He found this hermit and they smoked together.

673
00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:49,780
They drink together.

674
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:54,220
They spend more time together than our monster actually spends with his bride.

675
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:55,540
So I have to admit something.

676
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:59,260
I watched young Frankenstein a lot.

677
00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:00,260
Yeah.

678
00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:03,820
Not seen bride of Frankenstein.

679
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:11,380
I remember watching the scene where that Frankenstein Frankenstein goes and finds the blind

680
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:15,980
man and there's that comedic scene where he's like pouring the tea, pours it in his lap.

681
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:21,340
And the perfect comedic duo is always clumsy monster and blind man.

682
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:23,540
So I was like, oh, that's just a funny moment.

683
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:27,740
And then I saw this scene, which is like the pivotal scene.

684
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:31,460
I feel like they're kind of course correcting from like the little girl from the first movie

685
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:36,180
to be like, oh, because he doesn't see that he looks like a monster.

686
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:40,340
He can look past that and be like, oh, he's just a friend.

687
00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:45,500
I suddenly put it all together and be like, oh, he's paying homage to it.

688
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,340
He learns the words friend and good.

689
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:49,340
Yeah.

690
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:50,340
Wine good.

691
00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:51,340
Right.

692
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:52,340
Friend good.

693
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,340
Smoke good.

694
00:34:53,340 --> 00:34:59,580
Unfortunately, their time together comes to a stop when 200s recognize the monster attack

695
00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:01,300
them and burn down the cottage.

696
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,580
We're just lighting everything on fire again.

697
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:04,980
Yeah, we're not learning anything.

698
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:05,980
Fire is still bad.

699
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:06,980
Fire is still bad.

700
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:12,140
The monster makes his way back to Pretorias, which I'm always like, oh, here we go.

701
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:15,620
And he learns of the making of the mate and they just eat some dinner.

702
00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:21,860
There are a lot of very relaxed scenes in this movie, which is a movie that's 88 minutes

703
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:22,860
long.

704
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:24,300
It's a very short movie.

705
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,500
Long for that time though.

706
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,980
There's a lot of like slow burns, the amount of time that he spends with the blind person.

707
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:31,460
There's a long time.

708
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:35,340
If you shorten that to today's standards, it would be a tight five.

709
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:36,340
Yeah.

710
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:37,340
They have their dinner.

711
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:39,260
Pretorias needs Henry's help though.

712
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:42,060
But you know, now Henry and Elizabeth totally married.

713
00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:43,060
Henry refuses.

714
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:45,540
Pretorias calls upon the monster to kidnap Elizabeth.

715
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:46,540
Assures Henry.

716
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:50,140
She'll be safe as long as you help us with the mate making.

717
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:53,340
Oh, and of course, there's a storm brewing.

718
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:56,860
Henry and Pretorias are actually excited about finishing this creation, which I don't

719
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:57,860
know if you caught it.

720
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:58,860
It feels like a flip to me.

721
00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:01,060
Henry's like super invested all of the sudden.

722
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,060
He's like, maybe this one will be a good one.

723
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,060
Right.

724
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:05,060
We've got our lightning again.

725
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:06,060
Boom.

726
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:07,060
And we've got a bride.

727
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:12,300
We see our bride at roughly an hour and nine minutes into the film out of a one hour

728
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,580
and 14 minute film.

729
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:17,180
That's what baffled me is that she was being created.

730
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:23,500
I remember watching the movie and I'd paused it and I was like, I think 45 minutes in.

731
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,820
I was like, we haven't seen a bride at all yet.

732
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:29,380
And I was like, she's got to be like around the corner or something like that.

733
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:33,940
And then when they got to that scene, I was like, clearly, this is the beginning of act

734
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:34,940
two.

735
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:35,940
No.

736
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:40,820
No, I'm like, how is it that she got struck by lightning and there is like two minutes

737
00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:41,820
left of the movie?

738
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:42,820
What are you going to do?

739
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:46,620
But what's great is her movement is terrifying.

740
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:47,620
Yeah.

741
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:50,300
She is jittery and frantic and all feral.

742
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:51,300
She's like a bird.

743
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,540
She is a wild animal.

744
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:57,100
Also she got struck by lightning and is just in a room full of dude staring at her.

745
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,140
I would also be like, what is happening?

746
00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:03,340
She doesn't speak, but she does have this incredible scream.

747
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:04,340
Yes.

748
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:10,780
So does this make her the first true scream queen?

749
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:11,780
I believe so.

750
00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:12,780
Yeah.

751
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:16,900
That happens and the monster says she hates me.

752
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:21,980
The monster shows more emotion and heart in this movie than any of the actual humans and

753
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:27,700
kudos to Carl off because he shed several tears in that incredibly heavy makeup.

754
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:33,700
The monster then ushers out hen rein Elizabeth saying go live before turning to pratorious

755
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,980
and then the bride you stay.

756
00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:36,980
We belong dead.

757
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:44,540
That moment where he comes to the realization of like, I'm going to destroy not only myself

758
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:47,540
because I'm a monster, but I'm going to destroy the actual monster.

759
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:48,540
Yeah.

760
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:55,180
There is a lot of discussion around dr pratorious specifically over time he has been identified

761
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:56,580
as homosexual.

762
00:37:56,580 --> 00:38:01,700
Even though for 1935, they can't actually reference it, but whale was openly gay.

763
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:05,900
The Hollywood production code changed none of the doctor's behavior.

764
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:11,780
And so it's interesting that over time, his mannerisms and the absence of the bride in the film

765
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:15,500
and their relationship with the hermit has become a bigger story.

766
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,140
Oh, I like that.

767
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:22,580
Yeah, but I also think it's really interesting because whale directs it so that hen rein Elizabeth

768
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:29,940
go and the monster very specifically and sternly like he snaps his neck to pratorious to have

769
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:31,620
him stay.

770
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:36,700
There is like a deeper level to this movie than I think most people talk about.

771
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:41,700
And as I get older and we actually are talking about these things in society, I love that

772
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:46,500
it's been unchanged and that pratorious is such a fan favorite character.

773
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:51,740
So the monster pulls a lever, destroys the laboratory and dr pratorious and his bride

774
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:53,260
are dead in the destruction.

775
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:56,500
Oh, you live.

776
00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:00,900
Oh, you stay.

777
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:15,460
We belong dead.

778
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:21,500
And then we have a bit of a gap in 1941, so six years later, the Wolfman hits theaters.

779
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:28,620
Oh, we have, is bitten by a werewolf and lives becomes a werewolf himself.

780
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:30,700
Oh, it could happen to me that.

781
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,460
You're just wasting your time.

782
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:37,020
The wolf bitch you didn't do.

783
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:38,620
Yeah, starring.

784
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:44,100
Lon chaining, but both dropped the junior and owed to his father or probably more and like

785
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,900
an ode to the business that we call show.

786
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:52,020
This is technically universal's second werewolf movie with the first being 1935's werewolf

787
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:57,700
of London, but they consider the tried and true wolf man is cheney's Larry Talbot.

788
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:01,940
Larry returns to wales to deal with his family matters when he falls in love with Gwen.

789
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:06,580
He buys a cane with a silver wolf's head to get a chance to talk to her and she gives

790
00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:07,820
him the werewolf lore.

791
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:12,180
A man changes at certain times of the year and a pentagram appears in the palm of his next

792
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:15,340
victim through much persuading.

793
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:20,740
They wind up going on a date with Gwen and Gwen's friend, third wheel Jenny.

794
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:26,060
On this date, they have their fortunes read by none other than Bella, the ghostly character

795
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:27,060
name Bella.

796
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:30,380
Oh, Bella sees a pentagram on Jenny's hand.

797
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:32,500
He warns her sons are off and not too much later.

798
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,540
We hear screams from Jenny.

799
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:40,020
Larry goes to save her beats the wolf with his new cane, but is bitten in the process.

800
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:42,020
The next morning his wound completely healed.

801
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:47,860
Bella warns Larry that the wolf that bit him was her son Bella.

802
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:48,860
Son's name is Bella.

803
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:49,860
Son's name is Bella.

804
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:50,860
Not the fortune teller.

805
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:51,860
The fortune teller is Bella.

806
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:52,860
Fortune teller.

807
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,620
There's so many bella Bella LaGosi plays fortune teller.

808
00:40:56,620 --> 00:41:04,060
Who warns the victim that that's going to happen and then turns out werewolf also Bella.

809
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,060
Yeah, okay.

810
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:08,420
She warns him that he is now a werewolf too, that Larry is now a werewolf because Bella

811
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:12,260
bit Larry and that the only thing that can help is silver.

812
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:16,740
She gives him his charm to stop his transformation and Larry gives this charm to Gwen for protection

813
00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:18,260
instead.

814
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:22,980
The next night Larry has the first wolf rampage killing a villager with no memory of this

815
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:23,980
the next morning.

816
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:28,940
The next night the town sets trap but Bella's mother uses a spell to set him free and now

817
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:32,420
understanding the truth that he is in fact a werewolf.

818
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:37,140
He goes to say goodbye to Gwen and sees the pentagram on her hand.

819
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:40,220
Larry goes to his father for help explaining that hey, I'm a wolf.

820
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:44,560
His father's like no, you're not and to prove that you're not I'm going to tie up this

821
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,580
chair real quick.

822
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:48,580
That's what you do when you don't believe your child.

823
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:51,900
You are a delusional man and I'm going to tie you to this chair.

824
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:56,140
When the moon rises and his wolf form comes out, he attacks Gwen.

825
00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:02,220
His father uses the silver cane to beat the wolf and when Bella's mom, Malayva, she uses

826
00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:08,140
that same spell again and then now dead werewolf transforms into dead Larry.

827
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:13,340
That's the iconic scene where he's like laying down it like fades.

828
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:16,460
They really avoid showing the transition until that moment.

829
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:20,020
That transition I imagine would take so long.

830
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:24,100
They have this character and I'm sure they I think they shot in reverse where they had

831
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:28,620
him lay down and then they get to the makeup chair put a little bit on him lay down again

832
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:32,940
in the same spot and just like progressively until he was like full wolf.

833
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:33,940
Yeah.

834
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:38,180
So Jack Pierce who designed Frankenstein's monster and the wherewolf of London is back to

835
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:41,620
design this makeup but they wanted to see more of the face.

836
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:46,460
So it took five to six hours to get Montenegro in your into full makeup.

837
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,860
And he'd get on set and to do these scenes he had to sit completely motionless for hours

838
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:55,700
while they shot frame by frame and apparently the crew would sometimes just break for

839
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:56,940
Lenzhen leave him.

840
00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:03,580
I read one account where they were actually like nailing some of the parts of his fingers

841
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:05,300
to keep him to stop from moving.

842
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:09,620
I believe they're trying to like nail the wolf part but like sounds like some finger got

843
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:10,620
in there.

844
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:14,020
So not super nice for him.

845
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:19,340
So Wolfman became so popular that Cheney would go on to reprise his role four more times.

846
00:43:19,340 --> 00:43:24,460
Even though Larry Talbot never actually gets his own sequel the makeup would get easier.

847
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:29,340
Lenzhen your junior would go on to play the mummy Frankenstein's monster and count allocard

848
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:33,140
count allocard is just Dracula backwards.

849
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:37,460
In other various monster films meaning he played each of the core four at one point or

850
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:38,460
another.

851
00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:39,460
Yeah.

852
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:44,660
Next up we have the 1943 Phantom of the Opera and this is the Phantom of the Opera that

853
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:49,820
is based on the book based on Lenzhen original senior's version.

854
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:52,820
This is the one that is technically in the monster lineup.

855
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:53,820
Oh.

856
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:54,820
Yeah.

857
00:43:54,820 --> 00:44:00,180
Even though a lot of art uses Lenzhen's version and to me that seems like it makes more sense

858
00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:04,980
if we're going with the rules that they are the talkies and not the silent ones this is

859
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:05,980
technically our Phantom.

860
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:08,700
He's played by Claude Reins who played.

861
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:09,700
He's played by Claude Reins.

862
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,020
We're just keeping all of our contracted actors working.

863
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:18,940
I mean this is around the time where when you signed on an actor they weren't just freelance

864
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:23,740
and could jump around to different studios like you own them and if a note studio wanted

865
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:27,500
to use them you would have to put them out on loan with the contract with that different

866
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,460
studio so it makes sense to be like right we're going to keep you employed.

867
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:36,980
There were stories I heard at Warner Brothers that like Jack Warner would yell at the writers

868
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:43,500
to say like hey we have Humphrey Bogard we need to keep filming with him and he would tell

869
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:49,380
them to write a script over the weekend so they could start filming on Monday.

870
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,380
Yep.

871
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:55,500
It seems like this is a time when studios are talkies have been around for a minute so now

872
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,940
we're sort of shifting yet again this studio in particular itself was suffering from a

873
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:04,940
lot of financial problems and this is the reason why movies are starting to take another

874
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:08,260
minute to get out instead of having you know two three a year.

875
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:12,380
It's also the time Carl Lemley and Carl Lemley Jr. both removed from the company.

876
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:13,380
Oh yeah.

877
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,500
It's okay they started a movie theater company.

878
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,940
Those are the cousins.

879
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:22,980
But they're removed and the original talks of the phantom were for Boris Carlov.

880
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:28,260
Now we're in 1943 we got Claude Reins and this is the story that is more popular in

881
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:33,580
today where it's Christine Dubois if you're a musical theater nerd like I am she's Christine

882
00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:37,780
Dye is a young soprano who the phantom of the Paris Opera House falls in love with or

883
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:41,180
just sort of like wants to see her succeed little fuzzy in this one.

884
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:46,300
Raul is also in love with Christine so is Anatole so film has kind of a love triangle quadrangle

885
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:51,740
going on but Raul hatches a plan to catch the phantom by not letting Christine perform.

886
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:55,900
Technically it works phantom comes out of hiding crashing down the chandelier and grabbing

887
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:57,620
Christine in the process.

888
00:45:57,620 --> 00:46:03,180
Down once more into his underground layer Christine sneaks up and removes the mask seeing

889
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:09,660
the phantoms disfigured face.

890
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:11,660
It's not the same impact.

891
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:15,980
Not the uh yeah it's not as uh everybody scream and faint in the theater.

892
00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:22,660
Anatole and Raul follow downward and they find them and things begin to cave in quite literally.

893
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:26,580
Our phantom gets trapped on there the trio escapes they ask Christine to choose between

894
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:28,420
them but she chooses herself.

895
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:30,020
Well rather her singing career.

896
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,020
Good for her.

897
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:32,020
Right.

898
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:35,260
The most feminist thing will have in this.

899
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,260
The film came out to mixed reviews.

900
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:39,180
It wasn't as frightening like I said.

901
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:44,940
Monshanie Jr. a little miffed that he didn't get asked because he was still under contract.

902
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:45,940
Oh yeah.

903
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:49,820
In between the main eight we have a lot of sequels.

904
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:54,100
We have Dracula's daughter son of Frankenstein and the mummy's hand.

905
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:55,580
The invisible man has returned.

906
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:59,340
We've even gotten an invisible woman and an invisible agent.

907
00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:02,660
It's around this time that the crossovers start to begin.

908
00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:07,460
In 1943 right before phantom we did have Frankenstein meets the wolf man.

909
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:09,180
He harbored a monster in his house.

910
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:11,100
I think created by black magic.

911
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,100
Dr. Frankenstein.

912
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,100
Dead.

913
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:20,100
Which by the way in this one Lon Cheney returns as wolf man but Frankenstein's monster

914
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:21,980
played by Bella Legosi.

915
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:22,980
Oh.

916
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,860
The role he was made for.

917
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:28,740
And then in 1944 we get house of Frankenstein.

918
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:34,820
The previous reports in 1943 said there was a film in production titled Chamber of Horrors

919
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,220
and this was announced by the Hollywood Reporter.

920
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:40,660
Noting that the cast would include Boris Karloff, Lon Cheney Jr.

921
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:43,300
Bella Legosi, Claude Reigns and more.

922
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,820
Chamber of Horrors never went into production.

923
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:48,620
Oh you got the rat pack together and they couldn't even make a movie.

924
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:53,180
Kurt Sodomac stated the idea was to put all the horror characters into one picture.

925
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:54,340
I only wrote the story.

926
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:55,340
I didn't write the script.

927
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:57,020
I never saw a picture.

928
00:47:57,020 --> 00:48:00,140
Man this is really like the Avengers moment for them.

929
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:01,140
Right?

930
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:05,020
Almost like there's a cinematic universe being born.

931
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:09,740
The idea really took off though and that is when house of Frankenstein is born.

932
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:10,740
Now's the time.

933
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:11,740
We're going to get out some red string.

934
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:16,260
We're all going to have our best Charlie Day impression because the casting continues to

935
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:17,540
be wild.

936
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:21,860
Okay the monster not played by Karloff but Glenn Strange.

937
00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:24,220
Even though Karloff is in this picture.

938
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:26,140
He's a doctor gooseed off and me met him.

939
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:29,180
Lon Cheney Jr. is back and actually plays the wolf man.

940
00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:30,940
But Bella Legosi is gone.

941
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:32,980
But Dracula is still here.

942
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:34,620
Now played by John Caridine.

943
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,060
Claude Reigns, nor the invisible man, nor would he be found.

944
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,060
We're seeing.

945
00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:44,100
The plot is bananas and real hard to follow so we're going to glide right by that.

946
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,860
But I think there's two fun things to note about the script of all the monsters that we

947
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:48,860
meet.

948
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:50,340
We also get a new character.

949
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:51,340
The name of Daniel.

950
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:52,340
Oh.

951
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:53,820
That's a good name.

952
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:56,180
It's a hunchback question mark.

953
00:48:56,180 --> 00:48:58,140
And the new doctor's assistant.

954
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:59,140
Yeah.

955
00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:00,140
That's Igor.

956
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:01,140
Yeah.

957
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:02,140
He got the Igor vibe at bottom.

958
00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:03,140
And they just gave him a new name.

959
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,140
Yeah.

960
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:05,140
Just like Daniel.

961
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:09,220
He helps the doctor escape from prison and exchange for the promise of a new body.

962
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:12,100
And mainly this is just more fun because your name is Daniel.

963
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:18,060
The only thread that connects House of Frankenstein to its sequel House of Dracula is Frankenstein's

964
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,860
monster is clutching a skeleton of Dr. Neiman.

965
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:22,860
Again.

966
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:26,700
So we have Frankenstein's monster, which is originated by Boris Karolof.

967
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,820
Holding the skeleton of a new Boris Karolof character.

968
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:30,220
It's a hat out of hat.

969
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:33,340
So much more sequels would then come to fruition.

970
00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:35,100
We've got the she-wolf of London.

971
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,060
The mummy has a ghost and a curse, but still no offspring.

972
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:41,700
And finally, we bring in Abbott in Costello.

973
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:42,700
Hey.

974
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,700
Who's springed?

975
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:45,700
You did.

976
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:46,900
I did.

977
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:47,900
Huh?

978
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:49,300
I know what Abbott Costello is.

979
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:50,300
You know.

980
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:51,700
Do you want to tell the people who Abbott and Costello are?

981
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,540
I mean, they were a comedic duo.

982
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:56,380
They're famous for who's on first.

983
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:57,380
What's on second?

984
00:49:57,380 --> 00:50:00,020
They started running these specials where they would run.

985
00:50:00,020 --> 00:50:01,020
They did.

986
00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:02,020
They did.

987
00:50:02,020 --> 00:50:03,020
They did.

988
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:04,020
They did four of them.

989
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:05,020
Yeah.

990
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:06,020
They would run into a bunch of the universal...

991
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:07,020
Yep.

992
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:08,020
They meet Frankenstein.

993
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:09,020
And then the title is Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

994
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:11,500
But Dracula and the Wolfman are totally in this one.

995
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:14,460
Then they meet the invisible man, the mummy, Dr. Jacqueline Mr. Hyde.

996
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:16,220
So they do go through most of the crew.

997
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:17,220
Yes.

998
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:21,500
The way that they present these specials, it's almost like a commercial...

999
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:22,500
Yeah.

1000
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,820
These were shown on television to be like, "Ooh, these scary monsters, but I think it's

1001
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:31,140
a way to soften the blow for anyone who isn't really into scary movies.

1002
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:37,500
If you have Abbott and Costello who is well known to poke fun at them and be like, "Oh,

1003
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,220
okay, maybe I can handle a Dracula type movie."

1004
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:44,740
It's at this time that it seems like horror is kind of winding down, or at least the

1005
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:45,900
call for the monsters.

1006
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:52,460
So this is a way to keep them relevant, but also comedy is at a much bigger high, so you're

1007
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:54,340
just keeping them in the comedy circle.

1008
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:58,480
Yeah, and it's kind of keeping the franchise relevant, but it is definitely hitting one

1009
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,140
of those moments where the franchise is hitting the low.

1010
00:51:02,140 --> 00:51:04,460
It's similar to Godzilla.

1011
00:51:04,460 --> 00:51:08,100
First Godzilla, second Godzilla is pretty great, but then eventually it just kind of devolves

1012
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:12,340
into Godzilla versus monster.

1013
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:19,660
This one is like crab monster or space monster or something like that, and that's kind of where

1014
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:24,820
the monster universe at Universal just kind of went towards is like, "Okay, well we have

1015
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:26,940
these established monsters.

1016
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:31,060
What is an element on top of that that we can capitalize on?"

1017
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:35,340
And brighter Frankenstein is like, "Put out there is like this is how you properly do a sequel,

1018
00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:41,300
but the thing is that they did not take what made brighter Frankenstein so great and apply

1019
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:42,300
it to the other sequels."

1020
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,140
They were just like, "Oh, we just add a new character.

1021
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:46,260
That's all we need to do."

1022
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:51,940
When you have Dracula's daughter and the son of Frankenstein, there are still decent sequels,

1023
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:56,300
but I think when you have the bride of Frankenstein, which is also sort of said as one of the

1024
00:51:56,300 --> 00:52:00,980
best sequels of all time, is real hard, it's standard to keep up.

1025
00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:05,620
When things get tough, we sort of throw things out of wall, but out of those tough things

1026
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:08,100
can also come really cool new things.

1027
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:13,820
And this is when we got our last monster, which is also the original monster, not based

1028
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:14,820
on anything.

1029
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:26,160
Which we'll hear about after this ad break.

1030
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,540
We are onto our final creature feature.

1031
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:32,780
The creature from the Black Lagoon.

1032
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:35,580
Could it possibly belong to a place to scene, man?

1033
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:39,900
The chance is much greater than that hand belonged to an amphibian, Mark, one that spent a great

1034
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:41,660
deal of time in the water.

1035
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:44,300
Well then, how do you account for the structure of the fingers?

1036
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:46,060
Obviously for land use.

1037
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:47,660
One that I think you know well.

1038
00:52:47,660 --> 00:52:50,220
Yes, it's one of my favorite musicals.

1039
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:56,100
I'm not going to go too deep into this one because you did such a nice job in the John

1040
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,260
Carpenter, "Grader from the Black Lagoon" episode.

1041
00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:01,420
Yeah, so if you want to hear about that, stop this podcast now.

1042
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:04,740
Listen to that entire podcast and then come right back, will we?

1043
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:07,580
Yeah, we're just going to have silence.

1044
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:08,900
Run while you do that.

1045
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:13,060
The big abridged diversion in the scientific team goes to the Amazon to study fossils.

1046
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:14,580
The creature spots the team.

1047
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:19,020
There's this slight implication of the creature likes K, the female.

1048
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:20,020
Implication?

1049
00:53:20,020 --> 00:53:24,260
He longingly looks at her in a bikini.

1050
00:53:24,260 --> 00:53:25,420
Yeah, anyway.

1051
00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:26,420
Okay.

1052
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:29,980
The creature follows the Rita, which is their boat down the Amazon.

1053
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:33,980
The creature kills some of the team members, attempts to abduct K, then finally does get

1054
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:35,860
K, takes her back to his lair.

1055
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:40,900
We're always taking a lady back to a lair, but the remaining team rescues K, shooting the

1056
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:43,380
creature and his body sinks to the depths.

1057
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:44,380
Or does it?

1058
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:45,780
Bump, bump, bump.

1059
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:48,620
Correct, because the creature will come back.

1060
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:54,780
This is another one we've seen recently in the shape of water, which is Guillermo de Torres,

1061
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:56,420
first foray into the monster world.

1062
00:53:56,420 --> 00:54:00,020
What's crazy about creature from the Black Lagoon, and this is something that I mentioned

1063
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:05,540
in the John Carpenter episode as well, is that he comes so late in the game.

1064
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:06,540
And for him--

1065
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:13,940
And that was something that baffled me about the Gilman was that for all of my life, he's

1066
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:16,780
just one of the monster cast members.

1067
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:20,380
He's like one of the essentials, always has been.

1068
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:25,820
And I figured that, you know, it was just like the other ones, Dracula, Frankenstein, established

1069
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:30,220
right away and just kind of fades into sequels and whatnot.

1070
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:35,500
So that's what I assumed, not knowing that the monster universe has been going on, it's

1071
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:38,900
been fading out, abbing his cell, have entered the picture.

1072
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:43,660
Now they introduce the creature from the Black Lagoon, and it's a huge hit.

1073
00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:47,020
And is now one of the essentials, just baffling.

1074
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:50,700
And then they don't really go on to do much more after that?

1075
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:54,660
It feels like if in the MCU, because we're definitely in that phase where it's--

1076
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:55,660
Right.

1077
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:56,660
We're at now.

1078
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:58,380
We've met all of our Avengers.

1079
00:54:58,380 --> 00:54:59,380
Yeah.

1080
00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:02,500
And all of a sudden it's like, whoa, Deadpool is amazing.

1081
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:03,500
Yeah, oh he is.

1082
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:04,500
The Deadpool.

1083
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:09,660
There are some elements of modern secrecy in these old stories.

1084
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:13,780
There are reports that Boris Karloff had to wear a bag over his head when they were shooting,

1085
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:18,740
so that no audience member would see his face until the monster's actual reveal.

1086
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:20,820
Like apparently, do you need to go to the bathroom?

1087
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:22,260
We're just going to go in there.

1088
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:23,260
Do your thing.

1089
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:24,420
You can do the bag off in there.

1090
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:26,980
Like people were leading him around with the bag I said.

1091
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:29,020
It's like Danny DeVito as a penguin.

1092
00:55:29,020 --> 00:55:33,820
Like they would have to really hide him on the lot so that no one would see him.

1093
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:39,060
Yeah, that's how the invisible man was filmed in like intense secrecy because of the

1094
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,220
advanced nature of the special effects.

1095
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:45,020
So these are things that we think about now that we have social media.

1096
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:47,620
You're constantly like, oh look at these pictures from set.

1097
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:49,700
This wasn't a thing back then.

1098
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:53,860
So these monsters are sort of a little bit ahead of their time.

1099
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:59,660
And when you talk about a cinematic universe, I mean, come on Abbott and Castello to me

1100
00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:04,660
as we're jumping into discussing the dark universe, which came first.

1101
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:07,980
Like chicken really, did the monsters have a cinematic universe first?

1102
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:09,860
Because it kind of feels like they did.

1103
00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:10,860
Yeah.

1104
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:17,580
I feel like this is more of a product of efficiency and marketing rather than a well thought

1105
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:20,180
out how do we connect everything together?

1106
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:29,820
[Applause]

1107
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:33,980
This will unfortunately conclude part one of our episode about universal studios and the

1108
00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:36,380
history of the classic monsters.

1109
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:39,860
Join us for part two when we go over the launch of the dark universe.

1110
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:43,260
What went wrong in the future of classic monsters?

1111
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:46,420
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1112
00:56:46,420 --> 00:56:51,980
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1113
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:54,340
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1114
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:57,420
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1115
00:56:57,420 --> 00:57:01,500
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1116
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:06,140
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1117
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:13,620
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