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Hi Cassie.

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Hi Caitlyn.

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Hi creepy people.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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How you doing out there?

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How you doing?

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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides.

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Where we chat about true crimes, the paranormal, it’s officially spooky season,

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So definitely some spooky stuff.

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Do you have a spooky episode for us today?

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Actually, I'll say a little bit spooky.

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I'm so excited.

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I love spooky stuff.

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We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight to our topic.

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The altar is immaculate.

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Cheers for the last happy moment for an hour.

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Today we're going to talk about Jake Bird.

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I obviously did not research this.

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I love that even the baseball player by the same name currently hails from the PNW.

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I'm okay with it.

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I guess I've been on a little bit more of an old tiny kick lately.

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I am still trying to dart around so we get to visit a variety of places.

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So we do have some more modern stuff coming, but were they recommendations for my creepy

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Well, some of them, I'm not going to promise like my next episode is a recommendation.

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I'm working on some things that people have asked for or suggested.

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I'm ignoring you all.

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I just wanted to say I'd personally love seeing our email fill up with any recommendations

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Just send us a list of resources to pull from.

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Jake Bird was born December 14, 1901.

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a “Sag."

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Sagittarius, as if you're nasty.

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I love you, Sages that aren't murderers.

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I'm getting, getting, getting.

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She might end up on our pod one day for a different reason other than us being Swifties.

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My vocabulary is just expanding thanks to Caitlyn.

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Detritus...

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It's probably not going to visit, but...

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Problems us not.

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I feel like everyone's getting a real up close in person.

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That's why they come.

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Also, I don't know, like if you want us to come to New Orleans, you know, if you want to

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This is a really great time to probably just put our podcast on like auto play over and over

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Almost with that sweet, sweet ad revenue.

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Don't give the ads too.

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Keep them on.

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It's fine.

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You know, subscribe on Patreon.

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That's true.

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It is all ad free on Patreon.

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So there's that beyond that, there are frustratingly few details available that have been confirmed

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He was raised by Charles and Delie bird.

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Charles Charles.

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Charles.

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Every time.

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So back then, see this is my goal is to just skip town and work for my laptop all over the country.

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So back then, I would have worked on trains.

333
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Yeah.

334
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What you're saying.

335
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Get on a train.

336
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Do crime.

337
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Okay.

338
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Well, steps one and two.

339
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But without the crime.

340
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Oh, maybe some crime.

341
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Weed to legal in a lot of places.

342
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No, come on.

343
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It's not like they don't know.

344
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I don't get high.

345
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We're definitely about to start another show that may or may not center on.

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The topic.

347
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I don't know.

348
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Stay tuned.

349
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I don't know.

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By the time he turned 45, he had already spent 31 years behind bars for various crimes, including

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multiple assaults, burglary, and even attempted murder.

352
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Okay.

353
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So I saw that face.

354
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I saw that face in my mind as I was writing this.

355
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So my next sentence is let me know if I need to repeat that because it's a little bit mind blowing.

356
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I was trying to math.

357
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Yeah.

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45 years old.

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And he has been incarcerated for 31 years of his life.

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So he was 14.

361
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14 years.

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He essentially.

363
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Yeah.

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There's like 14 years of his life sporadically, somewhere throughout those 45 years that he was not

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imprisoned.

366
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Oh, I wonder like how young he was.

367
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Are you going to talk about it?

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I guess pretty young.

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The bulk of his criminal history is not when he would have been starting out.

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I'm not going to get into a ton of like any of his early crimes, but you know, just remember

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at 45, we've got multiple assaults, burglary, and even attempted murder.

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So like, you know, he's kind of working his way through building a quite the rap sheet.

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After his release from jail in 1947, he took to working on the railroad near Tacoma, Washington.

374
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Oh.

375
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Yeah.

376
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Lots of great things happening in Tacoma.

377
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I don't talk about them, but.

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And Jake Bird would eventually again be arrested.

379
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I know.

380
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I was shocked too, you guys.

381
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He was arrested in Tacoma on October 30, 1947, just a few days after arriving to the area.

382
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And a day before hell.

383
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I know.

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I would.

385
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My mind was blown.

386
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I was not looking for anything.

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Theme at home.

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And I could not have picked anything more on brand for spooky season because when we get

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there, and I will tell you, I was partway through already writing some of my notes from articles

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and stuff that I had found.

391
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And I was like, I'm sorry.

392
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What's this now?

393
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There's so much more.

394
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Okay.

395
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I was absolutely dying.

396
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I was like, you have got to be kidding.

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It just, it's like a true crime story made in the lab for me to talk about during the month

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of October.

399
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I mean, it's awful, but I'm very excited to tell you about it.

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That night, Bertha Kludt, a widow in her 50s who worked at a bakery and her 17 year old daughter,

401
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Beverly, who had just recently graduated, were sleeping soundly.

402
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End of story.

403
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Okay.

404
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No, I'm, it keeps going.

405
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They lived on 21st Street in Tacoma.

406
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I'm going to refer to them as now, which always makes me think of it's always sunny in Philadelphia.

407
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It's such a bird, Dee.

408
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Oh, I always think of the [sings] b-b-b-bird bird bird! But I digress.

409
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He snuck onto their property and because it's old timey and this is actually just a thing

410
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that happens actually in more than one case that I've talked about of this nature, he

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found an axe in their wood shed before slinking into their home through the unlocked backdoor.

412
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So lots of old timey features here.

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People just had axes.

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There's, you know, chop chop and stuff.

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Unlocked doors because I, the 1940s of it all.

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Though he'd taken great pains to be as quiet as possible, Bertha screamed when she came

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across the strange man in her home.

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Because one does.

419
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Mrs. Steincipher phoned the police when she heard the sounds of a struggle in her neighbor's

420
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home.

421
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Oh, that was so sweet.

422
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She's probably like, this is like a widowed single mother with a teenage daughter.

423
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Yeah.

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Like, I'm getting on the horn.

425
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Oh.

426
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I know.

427
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God.

428
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Just heartbreaking.

429
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I always make fun of like note the nosy neighbor thing, but like, no, this is smart.

430
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Sometimes you just want a nosy neighbor.

431
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But it's just smart because literally this next sentence, she turned out her own lights

432
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when she saw the silhouette of a man through the window of the club family home.

433
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Okay.

434
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So she's basically like, I don't want this guy to see me and get tipped off that like,

435
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somebody's aware of his presence or obviously come after her or, you know, I just thought

436
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the foresight with that, that's smart.

437
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Like in the moment, a lot of people wouldn't have thought of that.

438
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I think, wow, you'd like to think that you would in the moment do the things that, you

439
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know, help the situation and maybe don't make it worse by adding in another potential

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victim.

441
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Yes.

442
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I mean, who can say what they would do?

443
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Seriously, I was watching a documentary on horror movies last night.

444
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And that was one of the things is like, people always yell at the screen like, I would never

445
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do that.

446
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I would never be that stupid.

447
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Like you would always and forever be that dumb.

448
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Yeah, you probably would.

449
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Yeah, because I think a lot of us would, you wouldn't be Mrs. Stein, Steine Sifer.

450
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Steine Sifer.

451
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Mm-hmm.

452
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Yeah.

453
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Don't look at my notes because I don't know about the spelling here.

454
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That's a cool last name.

455
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Yeah.

456
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I know.

457
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I was like, yeah, your beer episode.

458
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Okay.

459
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So beer and Sifer.

460
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Sifer.

461
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Oh.

462
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Like a, like a cryptic code situation.

463
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I was like, okay.

464
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That is cool.

465
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I know.

466
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She aspires.

467
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That was so smart.

468
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No.

469
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Conspiracy.

470
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She was very German spy.

471
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Right.

472
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Oh, in 1947, I'm Yikes.

473
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She was cool though.

474
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Yeah.

475
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That was fine.

476
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The war was over.

477
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Just in case the title will be end up choosing for the episode isn't adequate enough of a

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giveaway regarding the nature of his crimes.

479
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They were absolutely brutal because, you know, the whole acts situation.

480
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Fucking bird.

481
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Fucking bird.

482
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Dirty bird.

483
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Such a bird.

484
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Ugh.

485
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He would end up facing charges for two murders.

486
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And though he would only be convicted for one, he reportedly claimed responsibility for

487
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up to 44.

488
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44?

489
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I don't think it's exactly a spoiler, but eventually the charges were brought for the slaying

490
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of these two women, Bertha and Beverly in their home the night before Halloween in 1947,

491
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which as previously mentioned has a super spooky vibe to it.

492
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To be honest, I had no idea about the Halloween connection.

493
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Again, just want to reiterate, wasn't looking for that, which I feel like now lady Doth

494
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protest too much, but I don't think so because we know she covered like Christmas crime during

495
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the summertime.

496
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Yeah.

497
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Yeah, I just, I didn't realize in the name when I got to that point in my research, I was

498
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like, well, no time like the present spooky season.

499
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,820
We don't plan a whole lot around here.

500
00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:07,820
Things just kind of happen.

501
00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:08,820
Yeah.

502
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They either happen or they just don't.

503
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They've been happening for, you know, almost four years now, so we've had a pretty good

504
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job.

505
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We've done okay for ourselves.

506
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We're not unimpressed.

507
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As I said previously, the crimes he detailed to law enforcement would make him, if his statements

508
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:32,980
were truthful, one of the more prolific serial killers in US history.

509
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It's his MO in particular that is giving the Ick in this case.

510
00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:39,980
I mean, there's plenty of Ick with the sky.

511
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I mean, just be clear, but how he reportedly killed these women and other victims allegedly

512
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is just really brutal.

513
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He beat his victims with an axe or stab them because that's Axis or it's a real stabby

514
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weapon.

515
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Sharp.

516
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Yeah.

517
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It's just a gruesome and personal way to take another human's life.

518
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Not that there's a good way to do it to be clear, but I just feel like that always kind of

519
00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:21,500
gets to me because you're interacting with this person in the last moments of their life,

520
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:29,140
literally fighting for their life and it's probably going to take more than one axe blow.

521
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It's like every single time you do that, you are making a conscious choice.

522
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That's the part that I feel like, you know, I don't know, you could just run away at a certain

523
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point.

524
00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:45,620
I feel like that's why it bothers me.

525
00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:49,580
Were you there to rob them?

526
00:22:49,580 --> 00:22:51,380
I mean, at Axe Point?

527
00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:52,380
Right.

528
00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:55,780
I mean, just seems, I don't know.

529
00:22:55,780 --> 00:23:03,620
Well, officers Andrew Sabutis, just quite a name.

530
00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:04,620
Sabutis.

531
00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:05,620
Sabutis.

532
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:10,340
It looks like it kind of the way that spelled is kind of like Sabutis.

533
00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:11,340
Sabutis.

534
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:12,340
Sabutis.

535
00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,620
And Evan Skip Davies.

536
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,980
No, slow himself.

537
00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:17,980
I like that name.

538
00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:18,980
Okay.

539
00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:20,460
I'm Evan Skip Davies.

540
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:22,780
Yes, he is.

541
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:25,340
You'll remember my name.

542
00:23:25,340 --> 00:23:29,620
I don't know why he got Southern-ish.

543
00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:34,620
They responded to the disturbance and found Jake fleeing the house, covered in blood.

544
00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:40,580
So he was like caught, literally, right?

545
00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:41,580
Yeah.

546
00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:42,580
Yeah.

547
00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:43,580
Yeah.

548
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:49,220
A chase through neighborhood yards ensued, but he was finally subdued in an alley after

549
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:51,780
injuring himself pretty badly.

550
00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:56,180
I mean, mainly just a flesh wound, but I would imagine it blood a lot.

551
00:23:56,180 --> 00:24:00,100
It sounds like he kind of dragged his face over.

552
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:03,940
I just like, okay.

553
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:06,340
Yeah, we all feel so bad.

554
00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:08,180
I hope it hurt.

555
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:09,180
I know.

556
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:10,180
Yeah.

557
00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:18,180
Anyways, that might be where you'd expect him to surrender without additional struggle.

558
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,660
And boy, would you be wrong.

559
00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:24,380
And like, isn't your whole face bleeding?

560
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:30,220
He charged the pair of law enforcement officers, initially injuring both of them with the switchblade.

561
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:31,220
Holy shit.

562
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:32,220
Yeah.

563
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:38,860
The notice was stabbed in the shoulder and Evan's hand was slashed in the encounter.

564
00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:43,860
Sounds like somebody's going to need a shot, which funny enough, I learned was developed

565
00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:47,540
in the 1920s and widely used during World War One.

566
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:48,540
Oh, okay.

567
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:50,580
So they did have a world war two.

568
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:51,580
Oh, okay.

569
00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:52,580
Yeah.

570
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:53,580
So they did have it though.

571
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:54,580
They had the test shot.

572
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:55,580
Yeah, okay.

573
00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:56,580
I had to know.

574
00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:57,580
Well, it was like pretty new, yeah.

575
00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:00,580
Well, no, it would have been around for almost 30 years.

576
00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:01,580
Yeah.

577
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:07,380
They, I mean, they had widely used it during World War Two, which had ended just a couple

578
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,180
of years prior at this point.

579
00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:10,180
Okay.

580
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:16,820
So I just, I felt like I needed to situate a couple of things for myself within the historical

581
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:17,820
timeline.

582
00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:18,820
Yeah.

583
00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:19,820
A lot of hand gestures.

584
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:20,820
It's helping me.

585
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:21,820
It's helping me learn the timeline.

586
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:22,820
Yeah.

587
00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:24,660
So I'm really bad at like historical timelines.

588
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:27,460
Well, and there's certain things like a tetanus shot.

589
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:31,380
I mean, that has been around obviously for our entire lifetime.

590
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:36,020
But when you come across these stories and you're like, oh, I thought to myself, oh, he's

591
00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:37,020
got to go get a tetanus shot.

592
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:40,540
And I was like, yeah, tetanus shots.

593
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,700
This is why I'm always like, did they have cards?

594
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:43,700
I know.

595
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,580
I need to know.

596
00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:51,700
I was pretty confident that I was like, I don't know the exact year.

597
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:56,500
Sabutus nailed him with a punch to the jaw and kicked him in the groin.

598
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:57,500
Yeah.

599
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,100
Which is probably exactly what I would do to someone who had stabbed me in the shoulder

600
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,820
if I'm being honest.

601
00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:09,220
These moves were apparently very effective because officers, Sabutus, happened to be a prize

602
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:10,220
fighter.

603
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:13,460
Oh my god, I was literally picturing him like doing.

604
00:26:13,460 --> 00:26:14,460
I know.

605
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:15,460
I'm like, poor.

606
00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:17,460
And then not karate.

607
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:18,460
Oh, kick.

608
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:21,460
I'm kicking under the table.

609
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:22,460
I can't see.

610
00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:23,460
Kick.

611
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:30,020
And while I am not, I still have to insist that no one pushed their luck by even attempting

612
00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:31,020
to stab me.

613
00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,020
I'm just going to say something.

614
00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:33,020
I'm just going to say something.

615
00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:34,020
I'm just going to say something.

616
00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:35,020
I'm just going to say something.

617
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:36,020
I'm just going to say something.

618
00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:37,020
I'm just going to say something.

619
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:38,020
I'm just going to say something.

620
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:39,020
I'm just going to say something.

621
00:26:39,020 --> 00:26:40,020
I'm just going to say something.

622
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:41,020
I'm just going to say something.

623
00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:42,020
I'm just going to say something.

624
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:43,020
I'm just going to say something.

625
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:44,020
I'm just going to say something.

626
00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:45,020
I'm just going to say something.

627
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,020
I'm just going to say something.

628
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,020
I'm just going to say something.

629
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:48,020
I'm just going to say something.

630
00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:49,020
I'm just going to say something.

631
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:50,020
I'm just going to say something.

632
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:51,020
I'm just going to say something.

633
00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:52,020
I'm just going to say something.

634
00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:53,020
I'm just going to say something.

635
00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:54,020
I'm just going to say something.

636
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:55,020
I'm just going to say something.

637
00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:56,020
I'm just going to say something.

638
00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:57,020
I'm just going to say something.

639
00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:58,020
I'm just going to say something.

640
00:26:58,020 --> 00:26:59,020
I'm just going to say something.

641
00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:00,020
I'm just going to say something.

642
00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:01,020
I'm just going to say something.

643
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:02,020
I'm just going to say something.

644
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:03,020
I'm just going to say something.

645
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:04,020
I'm just going to say something.

646
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:05,020
I'm just going to say something.

647
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:06,020
I'm just going to say something.

648
00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:07,020
I'm just going to say something.

649
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:08,020
I'm just going to say something.

650
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:09,020
I'm just going to say something.

651
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:10,020
I'm just going to say something.

652
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:11,020
I'm just going to say something.

653
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:12,020
I'm just going to say something.

654
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:13,020
I'm just going to say something.

655
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:14,020
I'm just going to say something.

656
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:15,020
I'm just going to say something.

657
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,020
I'm just going to say something.

658
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:17,020
I'm just going to say something.

659
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:18,020
I'm just going to say something.

660
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:19,020
I'm just going to say something.

661
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:20,020
I'm just going to say something.

662
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:21,020
I'm just going to say something.

663
00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:22,020
I'm just going to say something.

664
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:23,020
I'm just going to say something.

665
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:24,020
I'm just going to say something.

666
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:25,020
I'm just going to say something.

667
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:26,020
I'm just going to say something.

668
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:27,020
I'm just going to say something.

669
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:28,020
I'm just going to say something.

670
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:29,020
I'm just going to say something.

671
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:30,020
I'm just going to say something.

672
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:31,020
I'm just going to say something.

673
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:32,020
I'm just going to say something.

674
00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:33,020
I'm just going to say something.

675
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:34,020
I'm just going to say something.

676
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:35,020
I'm just going to say something.

677
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:36,020
I'm just going to say something.

678
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:37,020
I'm just going to say something.

679
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,020
There info is in our show notes.

680
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:39,020
There info is in our show notes.

681
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:40,020
There info is in our show notes.

682
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,020
There info is in our show notes.

683
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:43,020
Unfortunately, the officers had been too late

684
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,020
Unfortunately, the officers had been too late to save Bertha and Beverly.

685
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:48,020
Bertha and Beverly.

686
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:49,020
I know.

687
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,020
Well, we knew that was coming.

688
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,020
I know. Well, we knew that was coming.

689
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,020
I know.

690
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:53,020
Well, we knew that was coming.

691
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,020
Yeah, but still.

692
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,020
Okay, this next part.

693
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:56,020
Okay, this next part.

694
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:57,020
You didn't know this was coming.

695
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:58,020
But here she is.

696
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:00,020
Bertha's head had been battered.

697
00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:01,020
Bertha's head had been battered.

698
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:02,020
Bertha's head had been battered.

699
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:03,020
Bertha's head had been battered.

700
00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:04,020
Bertha's head had been battered.

701
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:07,020
She could be too late to get battered.

702
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,020
She could be too late to get battered.

703
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,020
She could be too late to get battered.

704
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:11,020
She could be too late to get battered.

705
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:13,020
She could be too late to get battered.

706
00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:14,020
She could be too late to get battered.

707
00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:15,020
She could be too late to get battered.

708
00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:16,020
She could be too late to get battered.

709
00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:17,020
She could be too late to get battered.

710
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:18,020
She could be too late to get battered.

711
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:19,020
She could be too late to get battered.

712
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:20,020
She could be too late to get battered.

713
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,020
She could be too late to get battered.

714
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:22,020
She could be too late to get battered.

715
00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:23,020
She could be too late to get battered.

716
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:24,020
She could be too late to get battered.

717
00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:25,020
She could be too late to get battered.

718
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:26,020
She could be too late to get battered.

719
00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:36,020
She could be too late to get battered.

720
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:37,020
She could be too late to get battered.

721
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:40,020
She could be too late to get battered.

722
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:41,020
She could be too late to get battered.

723
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:42,020
She could be too late to get battered.

724
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:43,020
She could be too late to get battered.

725
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:44,020
She could be too late to get battered.

726
00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:45,020
She could be too late to get battered.

727
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:46,020
She could be too late to get battered.

728
00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:47,020
She could be too late to get battered.

729
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:48,020
She could be too late to get battered.

730
00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:49,020
She could be too late to get battered.

731
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:50,020
She could be too late to get battered.

732
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,020
She could be too late to get battered.

733
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,020
She could be too late to get battered.

734
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:53,020
She could be too late to get battered.

735
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:54,020
She could be too late to get battered.

736
00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:55,020
She could be too late to get battered.

737
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:58,020
She could be too late to get battered.

738
00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:58,020
She could be too late to get battered.

739
00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:59,020
She could be too late to get battered.

740
00:28:59,020 --> 00:29:00,020
She could be too late to get battered.

741
00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:01,020
She could be too late to get battered.

742
00:29:01,020 --> 00:29:02,020
She could be too late to get battered.

743
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:03,020
She could be too late to get battered.

744
00:29:03,020 --> 00:29:04,020
She could be too late to get battered.

745
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:05,020
She could be too late to get battered.

746
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:06,020
She could be too late to get battered.

747
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:07,020
She could be too late to get battered.

748
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:08,020
She could be too late to get battered.

749
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:09,020
She could be too late to get battered.

750
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:10,020
She could be too late to get battered.

751
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:11,020
She could be too late to get battered.

752
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:12,020
She could be too late to get battered.

753
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:13,020
She could be too late to get battered.

754
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:13,020
She could be too late to get battered.

755
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:28,020
She could be too late to get battered.

756
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:31,020
She could be too late to get battered.

757
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,020
She could be too late to get battered.

758
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:34,020
She could be too late to get battered.

759
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:36,020
She could be too late to get battered.

760
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:37,020
She could be too late to get battered.

761
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:38,020
She could be too late to get battered.

762
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:39,020
She could be too late to get battered.

763
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:40,020
She could be too late to get battered.

764
00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:41,020
She could be too late to get battered.

765
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:42,020
She could be too late to get battered.

766
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:44,020
She could be too late to get battered.

767
00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:45,020
She could be too late to get battered.

768
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,020
She could be too late to get battered.

769
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:47,020
She could be too late to get battered.

770
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:48,020
She could be too late to get battered.

771
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:49,020
She could be too late to get battered.

772
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,020
She could be too late to get battered.

773
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:51,020
She could be too late to get battered.

774
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:52,020
She could be too late to get battered.

775
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:53,020
She could be too late to get battered.

776
00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:54,020
She could be too late to get battered.

777
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:55,020
She could be too late to get battered.

778
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,020
She could be too late to get battered.

779
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:57,020
She could be too late to get battered.

780
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:58,020
She could be too late to get battered.

781
00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:59,020
She could be too late to get battered.

782
00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:00,020
She could be too late to get battered.

783
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:00,020
She could be too late to get battered.

784
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:10,020
This story kind of makes him sound like a real dumbass at first glance.

785
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:17,020
However, he was such a good liar that Lyon said he was almost tempted to believe his story.

786
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:22,020
Until they processed one particular piece of forensic evidence.

787
00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:26,020
And at this point, I'm going, I'm sorry, processing forensic evidence.

788
00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:27,020
Really?

789
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,020
What?

790
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,020
What kind of processing?

791
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:31,020
1940s of it all.

792
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:37,020
The pans he had been wearing apparently were found to be littered with brain matter.

793
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:42,020
When they were processed, but then 1940s era CSI team.

794
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:48,020
So I don't know what their process for identifying brain matter was at that point in history.

795
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:50,020
But they had little microscopes, right?

796
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:52,020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:54,020
But wowsers.

798
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,020
That is so horrible.

799
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,020
Wowsers all over your trousers.

800
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:57,020
That is.

801
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:58,020
Cute.

802
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,020
Yeah, progressed.

803
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:05,020
Also, Lyon is going to believe all that.

804
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:06,020
Lyon.

805
00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:07,020
I know.

806
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:08,020
Lyon.

807
00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:09,020
Come on.

808
00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:10,020
Yeah.

809
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:15,020
Only after this was brought to his attention, did he confess to the killings?

810
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:19,020
He's like, oh, I guess they kind of had me like, you know, red handed.

811
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,020
I mean, they already did.

812
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:24,020
But then, you know, like again, they're like, yeah, no.

813
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,020
But what, like we know you did.

814
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:27,020
We know you did it.

815
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:29,020
He had brains on your pants.

816
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,020
Yeah.

817
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:31,020
Where did that come from?

818
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:32,020
Yeah.

819
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:38,220
Listen, if you have a smother, totally reasonable explanation for that, we are all ears.

820
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:43,460
At the time of his arrest, he already had quite the rap sheet, including Berglery's assaults

821
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:48,020
and attempted murder, just in case anyone straight to jail.

822
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:49,020
What?

823
00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:52,020
38, wait, how many years have it been?

824
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:55,020
31 out of the 45.

825
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:56,020
Insanity.

826
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:59,020
31, like October 31st to Halloween.

827
00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:01,260
It's funny you mentioned that.

828
00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:07,020
He was charged on October 31st, 1947 with Bertha's murder.

829
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,020
Literally the next day.

830
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:13,020
Okay, I was like, wait, is this the next year or literally the next day?

831
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,020
The next day.

832
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:15,020
Yeah.

833
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:19,020
Wow, they did that processing of the brain matter really fast.

834
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:24,020
Well, they were like, they immediately had his clothing, they had him in university.

835
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:28,020
And they're like, yeah, that's definitely brain matter.

836
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:29,020
Wow.

837
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:37,220
In order to qualify for the death penalty, the prosecution would need to prove that her death

838
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:41,580
was the result of a premeditated murder.

839
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:48,180
Bird was held in the Tacoma City jail without bail until trial after pleading not guilty

840
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:50,180
at his agreement.

841
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:52,940
Just certainly a plea that you could enter.

842
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,940
Didn't he confess?

843
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:58,740
And then he was just kidding, not guilty.

844
00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:01,980
A lot of people confess and then still plead not guilty.

845
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,180
That's not necessarily unique, but it's kind of like, bro.

846
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:07,180
Yeah, bro.

847
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:13,220
I mean, I guess it depends on how the confession was extracted from the person, but they didn't

848
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:14,220
have to work that hard.

849
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:15,220
Yeah, trust me.

850
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:17,740
It didn't sound like it.

851
00:33:17,740 --> 00:33:25,620
This trial began on November 24th, 1947 in the Pierce County Superior Court, only lasting

852
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:27,340
two and a half days.

853
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,180
So are doing things wrong, like so fast.

854
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:32,740
Trials were just so much quicker back then, seemingly.

855
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:34,740
They probably had less of them, you know?

856
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:35,740
Yeah, maybe.

857
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:39,420
Yeah, I think that tracks.

858
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:44,780
His attorney supposedly asked for not only a change of venue, but to be removed from

859
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:46,980
the trial as his counsel.

860
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:48,980
Not why?

861
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:57,540
Um, it's not perhaps totally clear, but he really didn't, he just did not want, he didn't

862
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:58,980
want anything to do with the trial.

863
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:59,980
I do.

864
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:00,980
Who would?

865
00:34:00,980 --> 00:34:05,780
Like, especially back then, how many of those people have you had to like defend?

866
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:07,700
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

867
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:11,300
I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't say exactly what the track record was.

868
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:16,740
I mean, I, maybe I, maybe I'll look into it, but the judge denied both.

869
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:23,020
So that had to have made for some pretty awkward interactions thereafter.

870
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:29,980
I feel like that's like a huge like, um, what am I trying to say?

871
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:36,020
Yeah, I, you know, it's not really, um, it's not really a conflict of interest per

872
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:37,020
say.

873
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:41,860
Yeah, that's what my brain was thinking, but something like, yeah, it's almost setting him

874
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:43,420
up for an appeal though.

875
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:46,700
Yeah, that's because he's, you know, it seems like it's setting him up for the trial.

876
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:50,220
The defense that he had, you know, inadequate counsel.

877
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:53,580
Yeah, because if someone doesn't want to defend you, are they going to do a job defending

878
00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:54,580
you?

879
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:55,580
Probably not.

880
00:34:55,580 --> 00:35:01,980
He did make some statements and you're like, bro, bro, this is your attorney.

881
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:02,980
Yeah.

882
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:03,980
Mm-hmm.

883
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:10,220
Yeah, but I mean, also we all know you're guilty, but also this man's life is on the line.

884
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:14,260
You know, if you don't defend him well, it's the difference between life and prison

885
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:19,580
and, you know, the death penalty, which they tended to carry out a lot.

886
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:26,340
Or back then, which is, you know, sitting around in jail for 40 years, waiting to die.

887
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:28,380
No.

888
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:34,900
Later in court, birds attorney, James W. Seldon, apparently only begrudgingly representing

889
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:42,020
him, maintained that his signed confession had been obtained under duress and was therefore

890
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:44,620
inadmissible.

891
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:45,620
Okay.

892
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:52,420
I mean, if you consider being presented the fact that there's brains on your pants, duress,

893
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:58,420
maybe, but I would be in duress at that point.

894
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:03,460
But mostly I'd be like, how did they get my pants and why are there brains on them?

895
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:05,100
We just live very different lives.

896
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,100
Yeah.

897
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,100
Jake and I.

898
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,100
Yeah.

899
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,100
I hope so.

900
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:18,100
Judge Edward D. Hodg, however, disagreed, admitting the confession into evidence.

901
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:24,980
So, you know, there's, there's like a little hinting about, you know, maybe some old time

902
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:31,860
e-racism because I don't know if I certainly haven't mentioned it up to this point.

903
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:35,420
But I'm curious if you knew about this case.

904
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:37,420
Jake Bird was a black man.

905
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:38,420
Yes.

906
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:39,420
I know that.

907
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:40,420
Okay.

908
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:45,420
And I haven't asked or said anything because I knew maybe there was going to be a, there's a big

909
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:46,420
review.

910
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:47,420
Yeah, there's a big review.

911
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:50,900
This is part of the two paragraphs that I read about this case.

912
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:51,900
Right.

913
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:52,900
Yeah.

914
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:53,900
Okay.

915
00:36:53,900 --> 00:37:03,220
On November 26, 1947, after deliberating for only 35 minutes, which is an insanely short time

916
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:04,860
by today's standards.

917
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:05,860
Seriously.

918
00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:07,300
Yeah.

919
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:13,460
The jury found Jake Bird guilty of first-degree murder and recommended the death penalty before

920
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:14,460
the court.

921
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:15,460
Wow.

922
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:16,460
In 35 minutes.

923
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,460
Yeah.

924
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:24,460
Well, remember, this is only the one murder because this, this is something that still can

925
00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:31,140
be done today, but it was very common at this point in history from what I have like

926
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:34,300
read and what I came across in my research.

927
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:41,140
They would, in a multiple murder scenario, they would frequently hold charges for the additional

928
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:45,980
victims just so that it's like, okay, if for some reason they don't find him guilty of

929
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:52,700
this murder, we're going to, because if you put them all together, then you can be in

930
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:54,860
a double jeopardy situation.

931
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:55,860
Okay.

932
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:59,060
If he's found not guilty, then they can't go after him again.

933
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:04,740
But if there's a separate crime, it's all about how you classify.

934
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,580
It's basically it's the administrative side of law.

935
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:08,580
It makes sense to me.

936
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:09,580
Yeah.

937
00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:12,420
And I feel like it's not, I don't know, this is just how I feel.

938
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:18,420
It's not really fair to put all of the separate people who are murdered in the same trial.

939
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:21,300
I just feel like they, yeah, I think you see it.

940
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:22,300
You did two different things.

941
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,540
You deserved two different fucking punishments in all the trials.

942
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:33,540
I do think it is unusual compared to what I think we see and sort of experience in a more

943
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:38,820
modern era, because these were two women that were killed in the same encounter.

944
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:43,100
They were, you know, familial victims.

945
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,700
I don't think you see that a lot.

946
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:51,380
I think it's very common when there are, you know, when it's a spree killer or a serial

947
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:57,620
killer, you will see instances where they separate crimes that occurred on different dates.

948
00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:02,060
Because again, yeah, if we can't get them on this, we want to get them on that, you know,

949
00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:07,700
a separate murder or other crime, whatever the case may be, because we want to put this

950
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:08,700
person away.

951
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:09,700
Yeah.

952
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,220
So they're no longer a danger to people.

953
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:13,220
So I don't know.

954
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:19,860
It's kind of complicated because I do think sometimes you look at how people are charged

955
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:27,420
and it can be really upsetting how they will stack things or, you know, separate out different

956
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:31,700
instances and try to like maximize penalties.

957
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,420
I feel like in this instance, I don't take issue with it.

958
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:35,420
Yeah.

959
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:46,620
But, you know, there are people that will never leave prison who have multiple crimes related

960
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,340
to like marijuana.

961
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:55,140
People how you want about, you know, that I know not everybody thinks it's just fine or whatever.

962
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:58,020
And that's your own personal choice.

963
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:05,740
But, you know, to put somebody away for life from there, wow.

964
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:07,820
For something that grows out of the fucking ground.

965
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:08,820
Yeah.

966
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,860
I mean, I'm just cocaine technically, but-

967
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:13,500
I think you may process the shit out of it.

968
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,500
It's different.

969
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:15,500
They sure do.

970
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,500
They sure do.

971
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:17,500
Yeah.

972
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:22,140
I'm not going to be curious about the process.

973
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:23,940
Another very violent show.

974
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:24,940
So back to sentencing.

975
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:26,740
That's where we're at.

976
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:33,780
The judge sentenced him to be hanged at the Washington State Penitentiary on January 16,

977
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:36,660
1948.

978
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:41,580
After his conviction was announced, bird was allowed to make a final statement, which I

979
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:44,540
feel like almost never turns out good.

980
00:40:44,540 --> 00:40:45,860
But holy shit.

981
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:48,020
This is the part I was telling you.

982
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:53,980
You guys, this case was already like working out to be like, oh, spooky season.

983
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:58,300
He's like charged on the 31st and then this shit.

984
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:04,740
He spoke for about 20 minutes, noting that his request to represent himself had been denied

985
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:08,700
and that his own lawyers were against him.

986
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,980
In hindsight, it's kind of like, where's the lie?

987
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:12,540
They said that they were.

988
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:13,540
Yeah.

989
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:15,540
Apparently nobody really cared.

990
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:17,540
A little bit of casual racism.

991
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:18,620
You could see that too.

992
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:22,780
But in this case, he literally was caught with blood and brain matter all over him.

993
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:29,900
Like dude, how hard do you want this poor public defender who's come on?

994
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,660
Bird then said, are you ready for this?

995
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:36,260
I don't think I am at all.

996
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:43,500
I'm putting the Jake Bird Hex on all of you who had anything to do with my being punished.

997
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:48,140
Mark my words, you will die before I do.

998
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:51,540
I do remember this now.

999
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,860
This is why it's in spooky articles.

1000
00:41:54,860 --> 00:42:01,340
Allegedly, six people connected with the trial died in relatively quick succession.

1001
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:02,340
No.

1002
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,340
Okay.

1003
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:09,380
Everything I only say allegedly because I wonder sometimes if things get sort of, you know,

1004
00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:18,340
low-notive proportion or it becomes like this like almost a mythical proportion like a legend.

1005
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:21,980
And if he's saying he had said, I am hexing you.

1006
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:25,020
So people are like watching out for it.

1007
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:29,380
You know, it's like seeing 9/11 on the clock all the time because you know that number.

1008
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:30,380
Yeah.

1009
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:31,380
But he had all the time.

1010
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:35,420
Everything that I have come across indicates that this actually happened.

1011
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:36,420
Holy shit.

1012
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:37,420
Like multiple.

1013
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:44,780
I'm confident that several people died.

1014
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:47,980
And I'm gonna tell you about him.

1015
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:54,420
The first to go was Judge Edward D. Hodg who sent in Spurred to death.

1016
00:42:54,420 --> 00:43:00,120
He died of a heart attack not long after the conviction as did one of the officers who

1017
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,700
took Bird's initial confession.

1018
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,700
So here.

1019
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:12,780
Another police officer who took a subsequent confession also died of a heart attack.

1020
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:14,540
What are they eating though?

1021
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:15,540
Wow.

1022
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:16,540
A lot.

1023
00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:19,540
I mean McDonald's wasn't a thing back then, right?

1024
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:22,140
I don't think they come around in the 1950s.

1025
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:25,980
But a lot of really like it's very meat and potatoes diet.

1026
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,180
A lot of things cooked him butter.

1027
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:29,180
Okay.

1028
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:30,180
Definitely.

1029
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:35,100
I mean the fact that it's like all heart attacks is like kind of freaky.

1030
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:41,540
I tell you think about like yeah, the average life expectancy for a man think about the diet.

1031
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:43,540
And yeah, that's a not.

1032
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:47,340
I want to see these two women wait to die, especially in this era.

1033
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,340
Yeah.

1034
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:49,340
Or man.

1035
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:50,340
But still it is so freaky.

1036
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:51,340
Very freaky.

1037
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:57,940
Then there was the court clerk who passed away from pneumonia as well as one of Bird's prison

1038
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:02,380
guards also from a heart attack.

1039
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:11,500
Last but not least, JW Selden, one of Bird's lawyers died on the first anniversary of his

1040
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:12,740
sentencing.

1041
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:16,020
That's fucking weird.

1042
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:18,220
That's the weirder to me than all of the other.

1043
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:19,220
Yes.

1044
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:20,220
Yes.

1045
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:25,620
Like girl, I think Jake Bird, that bitch is a witch.

1046
00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:26,620
When was he sentents again?

1047
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:29,220
Was that the Halloween or was that different?

1048
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:30,220
No.

1049
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:31,220
Okay.

1050
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:32,220
No.

1051
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:38,180
One of the most chilling statements about this story came from the defense attorney who

1052
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:46,460
said, "My heart does not beat with sympathy for this man."

1053
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:51,660
Then he dies of a heart attack like many of the others involved in this case.

1054
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:52,900
That's crazy.

1055
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:53,900
Did you get chills?

1056
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:54,900
I did.

1057
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,900
I definitely did.

1058
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,900
I have chills.

1059
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,900
Breaky, right?

1060
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,540
That's really weird.

1061
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:08,500
He specifically makes a statement about his heart.

1062
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,980
That is so creepy.

1063
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:16,060
I do like the researcher in me though wants to be like, "Okay, can we look at another guy

1064
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:20,900
who is convicted or whatever and see how many of the people attached to that died?"

1065
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,820
I just want to know the stats.

1066
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:25,860
Obviously impossible.

1067
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:30,980
I do, well, not necessarily.

1068
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:32,980
Probably this isn't unusual.

1069
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,900
It's an anomalous situation.

1070
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:40,420
I feel like there's too many people that died close to his case for it not to get attention,

1071
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:45,980
especially after he literally releases a hex in a courtroom.

1072
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:46,980
Yeah.

1073
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:49,180
Like, yeah, people are going to be paying attention.

1074
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:51,020
They're going to be keeping track.

1075
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:59,540
But also, this kind of not proves, but it helps support just speaking things into existence.

1076
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:08,020
He might not have really been like a witch or really, but if you just speak it into existence

1077
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:11,860
and you have, he had a lot of passion for it, I'm sure.

1078
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:16,740
So, that's like a big part of the way to win the lottery.

1079
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:20,740
You've got to keep speaking it and actually believe it.

1080
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:24,020
And probably also buy a lottery ticket.

1081
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:25,020
Yeah.

1082
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:26,020
OK.

1083
00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:27,020
Lottery is a hard one.

1084
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:28,020
Yeah.

1085
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:29,020
It's such a one.

1086
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:30,020
But other things, I feel like are easier to manifest the lottery.

1087
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,020
That makes sense.

1088
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:32,420
I feel like that's fair.

1089
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:33,660
Yeah.

1090
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:43,300
The governor at the time, Munrad C. Walgren, allowed his 60-day reprieve from bird sentence.

1091
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,340
Why, you might ask?

1092
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:52,100
Well, because bird claimed that he could clear up at least 44 other murders that he either

1093
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:57,980
committed or participated in during his travels across the country.

1094
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,980
Wow.

1095
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:06,540
Of course, there was no shortage of investigators eager to interview him at the state penitentiary.

1096
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:09,700
They came from all over the country.

1097
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:18,940
Of the 44 murders that he allegedly said he commit, only 11 were substantiated.

1098
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:25,220
But he reportedly had enough knowledge about many of the others to be considered the prime

1099
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:26,220
suspect.

1100
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:27,220
Wow.

1101
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:31,660
Like, why is he doing that, though?

1102
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:32,900
What else has he got to lose?

1103
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,660
I mean, it did get him a reprieve from the death penalty.

1104
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:36,660
It's true.

1105
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:43,220
The 70s and 60s at the minimum police in several states took the opportunity to close the books

1106
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:47,260
on many of their unsolved murders.

1107
00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:55,740
In his travels, bird murdered people, mostly women, in and around the following areas.

1108
00:47:55,740 --> 00:48:05,700
Louisville Kentucky, Omaha, Nebraska, Kansas City, Kansas, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, Cleveland,

1109
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:16,980
Ohio, Orlando, Florida, as well as the states of Illinois, Iowa, Oklahoma, other victims outside

1110
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:21,820
of Orlando in Florida, Michigan, and Ohio.

1111
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:25,220
Oh, sorry, there's more Wisconsin.

1112
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:31,940
And, of course, the state of Washington, reportedly in the city of Portage, in addition to the crimes

1113
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:32,940
in Tacoma.

1114
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:36,460
God, he was just all over the place.

1115
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:39,220
Yeah, it's a lot.

1116
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:48,780
Now, there was a lot of focus on the fact that he primarily killed white women.

1117
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:57,660
I think women are primarily victims of crime.

1118
00:48:57,660 --> 00:49:00,900
It's both women of color and white women.

1119
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:04,260
It's obviously transgender.

1120
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:08,380
There are, there's a lot of qualifiers with that.

1121
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:19,580
I think for the time, what that does is stir up this sort of hysteria that there's this

1122
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:21,380
crazed black man.

1123
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:26,820
And they've already made a point of saying that he was attempting to sexually assault Bertha.

1124
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:33,740
So it creates this sort of moral panic about that there's crazed black man that's attacking

1125
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:40,780
white women, which particularly in some parts of the country, that is the type of stuff

1126
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:45,180
that really endangers other people of color.

1127
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,180
Yeah.

1128
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:48,060
That felt pretty icky.

1129
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:51,620
But how many friggin white dudes do the same exact thing?

1130
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:52,620
Right.

1131
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:53,620
Like it's back then.

1132
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:54,620
Yeah.

1133
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:56,460
Also now, probably in the future.

1134
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:57,460
Yeah.

1135
00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:58,940
Just be scared of all men.

1136
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:59,940
Yeah.

1137
00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:00,940
Never meet a man.

1138
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:01,940
Yeah.

1139
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:03,180
Never meet a man.

1140
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:08,740
In the meantime, Bertha appealed his conviction to the Washington State Supreme Court,

1141
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:13,060
but his petition for a retrial was denied.

1142
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:20,900
The U.S. Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court also rejected his petitions for a new trial.

1143
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:26,980
I just wonder if they took longer than 35 minutes that the jury did to consider his case.

1144
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:28,780
They didn't say, yeah.

1145
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:29,780
I'm not sure.

1146
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:39,700
I probably get a look into it, but usually those particular entities or bodies within the

1147
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:45,380
legal system, you're talking about like a month's long review.

1148
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:48,340
But you know, not that I'm shedding any tears for Jake Berk.

1149
00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:49,340
Yeah.

1150
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:52,420
It sounds like a real dick.

1151
00:50:52,420 --> 00:51:00,660
On July 14, 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review Bertha's conviction for the third

1152
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:02,160
time.

1153
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,660
And Governor Arthur B. Langley.

1154
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:08,740
I love how everybody's using their middle initials.

1155
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:12,460
He chose not to interfere with the execution.

1156
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:15,220
And by this time, it was fast approaching.

1157
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:16,900
Or well, it would have been.

1158
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:23,220
But of course, appeals and the rest of the whole legal process slows things down.

1159
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:24,220
Even back then.

1160
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:25,220
Even back then.

1161
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:30,820
I mean, it's slow relative to like they convicted him in 35 minutes.

1162
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:35,620
So they're like, why is this man not dead yet?

1163
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,380
Little too eager for that stuff.

1164
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:38,380
I feel like.

1165
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:44,420
I mean, I do think it does have a lot to do with the racial aspect of this case.

1166
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:47,940
Yeah, I think you can't ignore that.

1167
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:58,220
I do think that it is a case where oftentimes we would see in a similar case, you know, perhaps

1168
00:51:58,220 --> 00:52:03,460
a coerce confession, you might see an instance of police brutality.

1169
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:08,980
And I just don't know that we really find that in this instance.

1170
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:12,380
It's also really hard to be able to document that.

1171
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:22,020
Yeah, posthumously, but yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't seem like that's the case.

1172
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,900
Doesn't mean that there isn't still racism involved.

1173
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:26,900
Yeah.

1174
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:34,900
Finally, early Friday morning on July 15, 1949 at the Washington State Penitentiary in

1175
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,700
Walla Walla.

1176
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:43,420
The word was taken from his cell conveniently located on the same level as the gallows

1177
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:46,820
to be placed in the news for his execution.

1178
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:52,820
Wait, the gallows were like in the same area as he was being held.

1179
00:52:52,820 --> 00:52:55,220
Apparently, holy shit.

1180
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:59,180
I don't know if it was visible from his cell or not.

1181
00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:01,020
That would be fucked.

1182
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:02,660
Pretty horrifying thought.

1183
00:53:02,660 --> 00:53:07,660
Like, hey, this is just like having an Ace of You of your fucking future.

1184
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:13,060
Just got nurse set up for ya.

1185
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:21,620
Which was witnessed by over a hundred spectators at 1220 AM when the gallows trap door was released.

1186
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:26,020
Jake Bird dropped five feet to his death.

1187
00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:32,620
After 14 minutes, his body was taken down and prison physician Dr. Elmer Hill pronounced

1188
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:34,620
him dead.

1189
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:39,820
He was buried in an unmarked grave in the prison cemetery.

1190
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:43,940
Identified only as Confect Number 21520.

1191
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:46,700
Holy shit.

1192
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:55,100
His remaining personal fortune, a whopping $6.15, which actually was more money than it

1193
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:56,260
sounds like now.

1194
00:53:56,260 --> 00:54:01,740
But was willed by Bird to Murray Taggart.

1195
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:05,820
The Walla Walla attorney who filed his appeals.

1196
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:06,820
Wow.

1197
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:11,940
I don't know what the average cost for billable hours was back then, but I'm guessing that

1198
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:14,420
would have been a drop in the bucket.

1199
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:17,060
So hopefully this guy was on salary with state.

1200
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:18,060
Wow.

1201
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:20,260
That is interesting, though.

1202
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,260
It is.

1203
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,660
We lost it to this guy.

1204
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:23,660
Yeah.

1205
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:25,660
Like the only guy who seemed to be helping him out.

1206
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:26,660
Yeah.

1207
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:32,100
Well, and one thing that's really interesting about his case and it's kind of hard to find

1208
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:39,460
the exact right spot to sort of drop in this information, but I came across that like

1209
00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:42,780
he wanted to represent himself on the front end of the case.

1210
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,820
Obviously, we talked about that.

1211
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:53,260
He also continued to research and study law books and he actually became well known in

1212
00:54:53,260 --> 00:55:01,100
prison as being someone that other inmates went to, you know, to try to get legal advice.

1213
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:02,100
That's very interesting.

1214
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,100
Yeah.

1215
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:04,100
Yeah.

1216
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:08,540
And it seems like he was very intelligent and actually became very knowledgeable about the

1217
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:11,180
law, which is kind of horrifying.

1218
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:14,180
It's like a year and yeah.

1219
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:15,180
Yeah.

1220
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:16,180
I don't know.

1221
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:17,180
Yeah.

1222
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,580
But I mean, you know, you're someone fighting for your life essentially.

1223
00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:21,580
Yeah.

1224
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:29,140
Jake Bird was the 63rd prisoner and the 7th African American to be executed in Washington

1225
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:34,980
state since the death penalty was established in 1904.

1226
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:40,500
Though, of course, we know that the last person to be executed in the state of Washington

1227
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,300
was Cal Coburn Brown.

1228
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:44,300
Mmm.

1229
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:45,300
We covered some time ago.

1230
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,300
Yes.

1231
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,300
Search for it.

1232
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:48,300
Yeah.

1233
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:55,260
I can't say I was sad to see him go, but capital punishment has been formally abolished in

1234
00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:58,940
Washington for about the last year and a half.

1235
00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:00,660
Really just last year and a half?

1236
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:01,660
I was shocked.

1237
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:04,060
Oh, I was shocked too.

1238
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:09,500
Normally, it's like Washington does something or it's like California and or Washington kind

1239
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,100
of go first and then it's Oregon.

1240
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,500
Oregon has actually had it abolished for longer.

1241
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:16,500
Is my understanding.

1242
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,500
Interesting.

1243
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:21,740
Maybe that's why we learned I was thinking because we live here in a house.

1244
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:22,740
Yeah.

1245
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:23,740
Yeah.

1246
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:26,100
How about that hex, though?

1247
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:27,100
Am I right?

1248
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:28,100
Dude.

1249
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:32,340
It's turned out to be a pretty wild one if I do say so in the style.

1250
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:36,540
I feel like we're, we have to change our name to Haunts, Homicides, and Hexes now.

1251
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:37,540
Yeah.

1252
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:38,860
Ooh, I like that.

1253
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:39,860
That's.

1254
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:42,180
Shall we do some tarot?

1255
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:43,940
Yeah, let's do some tarot.

1256
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:44,940
We won't hex you.

1257
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:45,940
We promise.

1258
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:47,940
Unless you're a murderer.

1259
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:48,940
Yeah.

1260
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:49,940
Probably that we would.

1261
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:50,940
Unless you're creepy.

1262
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:51,940
Yeah.

1263
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:52,940
Not the good creepy.

1264
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:53,940
Yeah.

1265
00:56:53,940 --> 00:57:05,540
Okay, now I'm handing the deck to Caitlyn so she could put her magical shuffling powers and

1266
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:06,940
then pull a card.

1267
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:08,940
Oh boy.

1268
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:12,340
For the spooky Halloweeny.

1269
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:16,180
That was pretty good.

1270
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:17,180
That was good for you.

1271
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,180
Like the energy of that.

1272
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:19,180
Oh, shut up.

1273
00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:20,180
I'm just kidding.

1274
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:21,180
It was good energy.

1275
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:22,180
I felt it.

1276
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,180
Okay.

1277
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:29,820
I'm gonna spread them out so that you can help me spread those legs.

1278
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:30,820
The cards.

1279
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:31,820
I mean cards.

1280
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:33,320
She's ways.

1281
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,220
Where do you think you are?

1282
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:36,220
Okay.

1283
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:45,220
Take in here or first first instinct for your point of finger is.

1284
00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:48,540
Oh, what?

1285
00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:50,540
It's a bird you guys.

1286
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:51,540
Bird.

1287
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:54,420
Of course it's a fucking bird.

1288
00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:56,900
Cause Jake fucking bird.

1289
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:57,900
And it's a sword.

1290
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,220
It's three of swords.

1291
00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:02,020
It's the one with the swords piercing the heart.

1292
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:06,620
And this imagery it is a dead bird on top of Rose Petals.

1293
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:08,220
Delayful.

1294
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:14,540
And he's got kind of like an orangey head which like pumpkins.

1295
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:16,660
She's like everything spice.

1296
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:17,860
Everything pumpkin spice.

1297
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:19,860
Halloween, you know.

1298
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:21,060
Oh my gosh.

1299
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:22,060
Okay.

1300
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:23,060
Yeah.

1301
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:27,860
I was visualizing the right card when you said it's like stabbing through the heart.

1302
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:31,820
It's literally three swords through a heart.

1303
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:32,820
Yeah.

1304
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:36,380
It's one of the ones where the imagery is like pretty you know scary for people who aren't

1305
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:37,380
used to tarot.

1306
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:38,380
But yeah.

1307
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,700
It's totally fits.

1308
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:44,300
Or for some people that maybe even are.

1309
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,300
Okay.

1310
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:46,300
Alright.

1311
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:57,540
So our keywords are suffering, heartache, regret, grieving, sorrow and loss.

1312
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:58,540
All of it.

1313
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:05,340
It's interesting because we're talking about the death of widow and her daughter.

1314
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:08,380
So they've already grieved a loss.

1315
00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:16,980
And it from what I was reading in my research, it sounded like not recent in the sense of like

1316
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:21,660
in the last six months or anything, but it had been I think in the last couple of years

1317
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:26,860
that her husband and the daughter's father had passed away.

1318
00:59:26,860 --> 00:59:32,060
And then like the family that's left behind, oh my, well they lost three people.

1319
00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:33,060
Yeah.

1320
00:59:33,060 --> 00:59:34,060
It's the three of swords.

1321
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:35,220
They're extended family.

1322
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:36,220
Yeah.

1323
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:37,220
Wow.

1324
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:41,020
That is really interesting because I was like well he had like the two victims that we sort

1325
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:45,780
of talked about, but that makes so much sense.

1326
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:50,540
Just looking at this heart with three swords piercing it is painful.

1327
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:52,900
One of the saddest cards in the tarot.

1328
00:59:52,900 --> 01:00:00,500
It symbolizes deep emotional pain, heartbreak and a real or perceived tragedy.

1329
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:05,700
You may not manage to avoid the suffering indicated by the three of swords.

1330
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:12,380
However, the card advises separating true grief from self pity.

1331
01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:14,620
It's interesting.

1332
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:17,380
And I think I drew this actually in the reverse.

1333
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:18,380
Did you?

1334
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:19,380
Yeah.

1335
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:20,380
I need to…

1336
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:22,380
You handed it to me upright.

1337
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:23,380
I did.

1338
01:00:23,380 --> 01:00:24,380
I think I flipped it.

1339
01:00:24,380 --> 01:00:25,380
Oh my god.

1340
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,380
Now I feel like I need to roll back the tape.

1341
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:31,980
I thought we hold it up.

1342
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:33,780
I mean either way.

1343
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:34,780
Yeah.

1344
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:35,780
We flip it.

1345
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:39,580
Because the bird is upside down technically on the right side up.

1346
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:40,580
Yeah.

1347
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:41,580
I think it was reverse.

1348
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:42,580
You did.

1349
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:44,580
Looking at it, I think I…

1350
01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:45,580
Yeah.

1351
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:46,580
Okay.

1352
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:47,580
It's kind of…

1353
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:52,260
I don't know why the image popped into my head of like hanging because it is like…

1354
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:54,260
It would be head up.

1355
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:55,260
Yeah.

1356
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:57,260
I don't know why.

1357
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:58,260
Ooh.

1358
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,260
Okay.

1359
01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:00,260
Well, okay.

1360
01:01:00,260 --> 01:01:05,100
I'm going to read the reverse interpretation first, but I think we should read both just so

1361
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:09,100
that we can see kind of the impact of each maybe.

1362
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:10,100
Okay.

1363
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:16,420
There's an extra excerpt in between the two interpretations.

1364
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:25,500
The soul is a diamond in the rough, which must abide the blows inflicted by suffering in

1365
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:30,220
order to shine in all its brilliance.

1366
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:33,420
And that's from like water for chocolate.

1367
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:35,540
Oh.

1368
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:42,460
The reversed three of swords is actually less problematic and severe than the upright three.

1369
01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:43,460
Hmm.

1370
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:44,460
It's interesting.

1371
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:50,900
It suggests you're making more of an unhappy situation than necessary or that a disappointment

1372
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:55,580
is temporary, not the end of the world.

1373
01:01:55,580 --> 01:02:00,860
Perhaps the truth hurts, but once you face it, you can improve things.

1374
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:05,420
Pull yourself together and get on with your life.

1375
01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:10,700
In a reading about money, you may harbor regrets about what might have been or you're

1376
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:14,300
chastising yourself for a bad decision.

1377
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:20,620
The reversed three recommends letting go of blame and guilt, repairing damage and starting

1378
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:23,140
anew.

1379
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:31,940
I feel like part of me just at a glance thought, oh, no, maybe I did pull this in the upright,

1380
01:02:31,940 --> 01:02:39,900
but I feel like nothing is stronger for me than like seeing the card and that visual representation

1381
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:45,380
and seeing in the reverse and like, no, pulled her in the reverse.

1382
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:53,020
And I think it makes sense though, because losing or grieving the loss of a loved one and

1383
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:55,420
kind of finding a pathway forward.

1384
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:56,420
Yeah.

1385
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:59,780
I feel like it fits more than I thought it would.

1386
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:06,980
If the reading is about your job, you may be pulling out of a damaging and hurtful situation.

1387
01:03:06,980 --> 01:03:13,940
The reversed three can mean the worst is over and you've learned from your mistakes.

1388
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:20,180
Remain watchful for confusion, deception and poor judgment.

1389
01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:26,260
Maybe that comes in like the trial and him confessing and then being guilty and then his

1390
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:30,980
lawyer not wanting to represent him anymore, but like being forced to basically.

1391
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:37,700
I think it's really interesting because this is a card that specifically based on its orientation

1392
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:45,340
is dramatically different in some ways, whether it's upright or reverse.

1393
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:51,660
And the fact that as I'm pulling it, I'm like, yeah, no, I pulled it in reverse.

1394
01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:54,060
Like the questioning aspect of that.

1395
01:03:54,060 --> 01:03:55,060
Yeah.

1396
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:59,540
That's really moment sometimes where I feel like they both fit the right.

1397
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:03,220
When we have those kind of like confusing, did we pull it upright or not?

1398
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:06,780
I feel like it could go either way.

1399
01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:07,780
Yeah.

1400
01:04:07,780 --> 01:04:08,780
Yeah.

1401
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:13,580
Well, and I feel like normally the way that we pull it is so that you can literally see

1402
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:14,900
it on cam.

1403
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:21,260
And I don't know if you'll be able to tell at all when we go back and watch the video

1404
01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:24,020
from my camera, which way I pulled it.

1405
01:04:24,020 --> 01:04:26,740
Taylor, do a slow mo.

1406
01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:31,060
But I think the fact that we're questioning it just means like I usually just take that

1407
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:33,020
as it could be both ways.

1408
01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:34,020
Yeah.

1409
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:39,340
And it does fit both ways because like the reverse is like you said, it's kind of like the

1410
01:04:39,340 --> 01:04:40,500
ending of it.

1411
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:44,220
And we did talk about the, I mean, the end it's over.

1412
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:46,020
He's convicted.

1413
01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:48,700
He's stopped killing because he's dead now.

1414
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,700
So yeah.

1415
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:59,820
In a reading about love, this card points to painful experiences, which feels dead on.

1416
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:07,700
Obviously as you know, a family that's lost a loved one and she's a widow.

1417
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:12,540
But you're working on past problems and trying to make things better.

1418
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:18,100
You need to let go of jealousy, regrets, guilt and fear.

1419
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:21,100
Sometimes this card, oh my god, stop it.

1420
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:26,220
This is card represents accepting a loss and moving on.

1421
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:27,220
Okay.

1422
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:29,940
I'm going to go to the upright.

1423
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:36,700
Makes me think of like the police to like their, the regrets and the guilt of like this

1424
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:40,780
has been happening to potentially like 44 people.

1425
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:45,740
You know, that's I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have clocked it that way.

1426
01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:46,740
That's interesting.

1427
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:47,740
Yeah.

1428
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:52,500
I mean, police who are trying to solve something like they obviously I'm sure they have regrets

1429
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:54,140
of like this person.

1430
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,140
Yeah.

1431
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:56,140
And killing.

1432
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:58,380
I mean, any case that just goes unsolved.

1433
01:05:58,380 --> 01:05:59,380
Yeah.

1434
01:05:59,380 --> 01:06:00,380
Yeah.

1435
01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:01,820
That's an interesting point.

1436
01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:05,460
I, I didn't really think of it that way.

1437
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:09,540
I'm sure some of those you'll never know what happened to you just kind of have to accept

1438
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:12,820
it and yeah, that it's not going to be solved.

1439
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:13,820
Yeah.

1440
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:14,820
Okay.

1441
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:22,740
The upright three signifies separation, severing a connection to something or someone you

1442
01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:23,740
love.

1443
01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:32,900
Oh, you just said like severing and my picture that had wow.

1444
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:33,900
Okay.

1445
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:39,700
So the upright feels so far just skimming feels equally applicable.

1446
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:42,460
Sorry, I just have like a really big reaction.

1447
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:43,460
Yeah.

1448
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:44,460
That's weird.

1449
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:46,700
No, I mean, that makes sense.

1450
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:47,700
Yeah.

1451
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:54,700
When we're talking about someone who is nearly to capitated that that is I, that's an appropriate

1452
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:55,700
response.

1453
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:56,700
Okay.

1454
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,460
I'm going to read it again.

1455
01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:04,940
The upright three signifies separation, severing a connection to something or someone

1456
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:06,140
you love.

1457
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:11,740
You feel isolated and cut off from something you found meaningful.

1458
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:22,460
A way of life, your home and family, a philosophy, pursuit or job, something in your life has died.

1459
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:29,180
In a reading about money, the upright three represents losses due to relying on your

1460
01:07:29,180 --> 01:07:33,740
rational mind or your emotions alone.

1461
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:37,500
You need to use both to avoid problems.

1462
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:39,860
Oh, interesting.

1463
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:44,420
I don't know why that just reminds me of him like acting on his impulses is like emotional

1464
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:51,660
need to be a fucking murderer instead of making more than six dollars and to be left to

1465
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:52,660
someone, you know?

1466
01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:53,660
Yeah.

1467
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:54,660
Yeah.

1468
01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:57,180
Okay.

1469
01:07:57,180 --> 01:08:05,260
Sometimes it suggests someone you trusted has withdrawn support or you're grieving the loss

1470
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:06,260
of better times.

1471
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:10,340
I mean, how many times have I specifically used?

1472
01:08:10,340 --> 01:08:11,340
Oh, okay.

1473
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:13,660
The widow asked you to do that.

1474
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:14,660
Yeah.

1475
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:15,660
Yeah.

1476
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:22,340
If the reading is about your work, this card can mean losing a job you loved or you feel

1477
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:25,980
isolated and unhappy in your job.

1478
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:33,380
Maybe you regret an unwise business decision or you're thwarted, unable to do the work you

1479
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:34,380
enjoy.

1480
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:41,180
I mean, he was caught not that I want to call what he's doing like his work, but maybe in

1481
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:42,180
his mind.

1482
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:45,860
But I mean, that's his for lack of a better way to put it.

1483
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:47,900
That's like his professional pursue.

1484
01:08:47,900 --> 01:08:52,740
I mean, he chose the train profession so that he could go.

1485
01:08:52,740 --> 01:08:53,740
Yeah.

1486
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:54,740
I mean, at least.

1487
01:08:54,740 --> 01:09:01,260
And that and he literally just worked odd jobs and yeah, all of that sort of scenario was

1488
01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:09,020
designed to sort of set him up to be, you know, dependent upon less than ethical means

1489
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:11,260
of acquiring income.

1490
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:12,260
I don't know.

1491
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:15,020
I don't know how else to put that.

1492
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:18,220
Try to see this as a sign.

1493
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:20,620
It's time for a change.

1494
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:21,620
Low late.

1495
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:22,620
Time to die.

1496
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:28,140
But I guess maybe he thought, now I'm going to become like a high priestess and just deliver

1497
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:29,140
hexes.

1498
01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:30,140
Right.

1499
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:31,140
Yeah.

1500
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:32,140
Wow.

1501
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:33,140
Oh, God.

1502
01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:37,660
This is in a reading about love.

1503
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:43,020
The upright three can represent a split with a partner or at least a sense of separation

1504
01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:45,100
and despair.

1505
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:51,860
If the relationship is worth salvaging, heal the gap with compassion and understanding.

1506
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:55,980
In some cases, this card says it's time to move on.

1507
01:09:55,980 --> 01:10:04,220
So whether you draw this upright or in the reverse, it hints at sort of the loss of a loved

1508
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:12,220
one and sort of like a less than ideal scenario with your romantic partner.

1509
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:13,220
Yeah.

1510
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:18,860
And I feel like this card, I just think is there's heartbreak cards, but this one is an extra

1511
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:19,860
heartbreak.

1512
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:20,860
It is.

1513
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:22,460
Like what I feel about this.

1514
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:23,460
Yeah.

1515
01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:26,780
I'm always curious what we're going to get.

1516
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:33,620
Like, how's this one going to go and what's that reading going to look like as we go through

1517
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:41,900
the case and think about like what are the possible outcomes and what would make sense.

1518
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:46,940
And sometimes we get cards that I feel like, okay, I don't know.

1519
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:50,500
Maybe we maybe we need to redraw or something like that.

1520
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:59,260
And sometimes I'm really surprised that even how well I feel like we're learning and becoming

1521
01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:03,860
familiar and being more knowledgeable with the different interpretations.

1522
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:12,340
I'm like, wow, I guess I forgot about this sort of aspect of a card and thinking, wow,

1523
01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:17,300
okay, I didn't, I didn't predict that would fit at all.

1524
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:19,500
And don't you?

1525
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:24,780
I mean, I just feel like the fact that we drew a dead bird on a card is just.

1526
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:29,740
Yeah, a dead bird, like a symbolism of that or a jake bird.

1527
01:11:29,740 --> 01:11:31,780
It's, it's not lost on me.

1528
01:11:31,780 --> 01:11:32,780
It's a dead bird.

1529
01:11:32,780 --> 01:11:34,460
That is wild.

1530
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:37,980
And the point you made specifically about the three.

1531
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:38,980
Yeah.

1532
01:11:38,980 --> 01:11:44,060
Because I, here I was thinking, oh, well, the two of swords would have been more applicable.

1533
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:51,940
But even just at the outset, the numerical piece of it for me is kind of the first thing

1534
01:11:51,940 --> 01:11:54,980
that a lot of times jumps out.

1535
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:56,700
But holy shit.

1536
01:11:56,700 --> 01:12:01,740
In terms of imagery and then if you think about the fact that they literally had lost a

1537
01:12:01,740 --> 01:12:11,620
loved one and you're talking about a family of three that has just lost so much.

1538
01:12:11,620 --> 01:12:16,300
And when I want to say no, it doesn't feel like that card fits and then it just fucking

1539
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:17,300
fits.

1540
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,300
Yeah.

1541
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:26,100
Oh, well, some of you that are in our Facebook discussion group or I think that's the one

1542
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:27,860
place I can think of that I mentioned it.

1543
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:33,220
I don't think I mentioned it on Patreon or anywhere else.

1544
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:38,740
But we're doing a double header this week.

1545
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:44,780
We just came off of literally everyone that's currently in this house having had COVID in

1546
01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:46,100
quick succession.

1547
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:52,060
Almost my first time and I gotta say zero out of 10.

1548
01:12:52,060 --> 01:13:01,580
We are recovering in terms of our ability to create and I think release content also.

1549
01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:03,380
So we're doing a double headers.

1550
01:13:03,380 --> 01:13:09,460
We start to build up a little bit of a backlog for those emergencies.

1551
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:14,260
We did we we had some things and then holy shit.

1552
01:13:14,260 --> 01:13:17,620
The COVID hung on.

1553
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:21,140
I was positive for at least 10 days.

1554
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:22,140
Yeah.

1555
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:23,140
I'm.

1556
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:24,140
That's crazy.

1557
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:25,140
Yeah.

1558
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:27,420
It's I think we've talked about it before.

1559
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:37,060
And since all of the plague happened in my home, but yeah, we better we better get to it.

1560
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:38,380
I guess is what I'm saying.

1561
01:13:38,380 --> 01:13:43,500
It was the most rambling way of saying we got to go because we need to record another

1562
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:48,340
episode because we're playing catch up.

1563
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:51,700
You know, we're playing in catch up and it is spicy.

1564
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:53,900
Actually, did have one more thing.

1565
01:13:53,900 --> 01:14:00,660
I don't know if you wanted to mention it because it didn't make it into your last episode

1566
01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:04,460
with the blue mountains and the cores.

1567
01:14:04,460 --> 01:14:06,820
I feel like that was like a quick thing we come up.

1568
01:14:06,820 --> 01:14:08,180
Yeah, yeah, you have to tell it.

1569
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:09,180
Oh, you want me to tell it?

1570
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:10,660
Well, because I don't know if I remember.

1571
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:15,620
Oh, so you texted me after you like, I were thinking about the episode and you're like,

1572
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:21,420
oh my god, I added that blue crystal to be a blue mountain because I like needed the

1573
01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:24,140
Rockies or what I put with the Rockies.

1574
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:25,140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1575
01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:27,260
And what's on course?

1576
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:29,260
What's on course you guys?

1577
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:33,900
Yeah, how many shitty beer pong tournaments have you been in?

1578
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,740
And we did color changing mountains.

1579
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:42,860
We even had someone comment on our Facebook or our Instagram posts like only drink the

1580
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:44,900
cores when the mountains are blue.

1581
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:45,900
Yeah.

1582
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:53,180
So we unknowingly randomly last minute, Caitlin added a blue mountain to the halter set

1583
01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:54,180
up.

1584
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:58,020
I just thought it deserved it deserved an honorable mention today, I think.

1585
01:14:58,020 --> 01:15:02,500
Yeah, and I remember it's so funny because I remember us talking about that and we're like,

1586
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:06,860
oh, yeah, we got to remember to mention that at some point.

1587
01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:12,220
And I was like, I remember there was something that came up.

1588
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:13,220
I don't.

1589
01:15:13,220 --> 01:15:18,020
And we like drew the blue card and we were talking about blue the whole episode and we didn't

1590
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:21,500
even register the blue mountains on the course.

1591
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:22,500
Yeah.

1592
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:30,300
Yeah, just just for reference, if anybody's coming in randomly on this episode, that was

1593
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:37,100
the eight off course, the third episode where it's course cans.

1594
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:42,860
We're talking about in the beer and the blue mountains and you got to watch the video

1595
01:15:42,860 --> 01:15:47,500
on YouTube to really get the contacts with the blue crystal mountain.

1596
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:48,500
Yeah.

1597
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:52,220
It was in our altar and wow.

1598
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:57,380
And we're witches and we again won't hack you because we love you, creepy people.

1599
01:15:57,380 --> 01:15:58,380
We do.

1600
01:15:58,380 --> 01:15:59,380
We do.

1601
01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:00,380
Should we do that thing?

1602
01:16:00,380 --> 01:16:01,380
Let's do it.

1603
01:16:01,380 --> 01:16:02,380
All right.

1604
01:16:02,380 --> 01:16:04,380
Have a creepy ass day.

1605
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:05,380
See you next Tuesday.

1606
01:16:05,380 --> 01:16:17,460
You're dead bird.

1607
01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:19,500
Oh my gosh.

1608
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:22,100
Only be a dead bird if you're evil though.

1609
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,340
I mean, just don't just don't be dead birds in my presence.

1610
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:26,340
Okay.

1611
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:27,340
I don't like birds.

1612
01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:29,820
I don't want to be around birds dead or alive.

1613
01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:31,460
I feel like there's a lot of you.

1614
01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:33,420
You understand my feelings on the top.

1615
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:34,420
Okay.

1616
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:35,420
Birds?

1617
01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:36,420
What?

1618
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:37,420
What do you call birds?

1619
01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:38,420
Winged fox.

1620
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:39,420
Oh.

1621
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:43,420
I have been known to call them winged fox.

1622
01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:45,020
That's Jake Bird's new nickname.

1623
01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:46,020
You winged fox.

1624
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:47,020
Winged fox.

1625
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:49,780
I love that.

1626
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:52,260
Maybe that's what I should call the episode.

1627
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:53,260
Maybe.

1628
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:56,660
I feel like Apple and all of the other streaming apps would be like, no, thank you.

1629
01:16:56,660 --> 01:16:57,660
Cool.

1630
01:16:57,660 --> 01:16:59,660
SEO straight to the bottom.

1631
01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:07,780
You guys share the shows that when we make terrible decisions about the titles, we don't

1632
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:10,780
just completely play them out in tank.

1633
01:17:10,780 --> 01:17:16,620
Please and thank you.

1634
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:17,620
Bird.

1635
01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:18,620
Oh, I already read that.

1636
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:19,620
Bird.

1637
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:20,620
Bird.

1638
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:21,620
Bird.

1639
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:22,620
Bird.

1640
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:23,620
Bird is a word. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com