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Hello, my name is Spencer, and in my podcast called The Dictionary, I literally read from The Dictionary,

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but add in my personal comments and stupid jokes to make it more interesting. Episodes are family-friendly,

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filled with edutainment. Hello and welcome to How Did This Not Get Made!

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This is the podcast all about the movies you never saw, the scripts that were never finished in

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the ideas that never even made it to the page. My name is David Spencer. My name is Daniel Kawka.

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You know, I don't think I've really seen much of the old Popeye cartoons, so this is something that,

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like obviously I know of the character, and I know a couple of the character names, and actually,

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I kind of wish Alexa was just gonna sub in for me because she has a lot of love for original

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Popeye stuff, and yeah, she will have a couple of like Popeye cartoon quotes that she'll say all

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the time, specifically, I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today, when I was watching

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the animatic Alexa was kind of going in and out, and her only criticism is that the Popeye movie

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did not have enough whimpy in it. Dan, do you have a lot of familiarity with Popeye?

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For me, Popeye has definitely been one of those characters that has just always been in the zeitgeist.

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I don't think for me I've really sought out Popeye. I know the comics I've seen many of the old

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cartoons, I know that the reruns have appeared every once in a while on Cartoon Network, but I was

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quite aware of Popeye. Oh, it's hard not to be. I mean, it's one of the characters that I feel like

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most people with any awareness of American pop culture have seen or heard of Popeye, especially

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if you're thinking of classic cartoon characters. There's not a lot of other characters that would be

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placed above Popeye as far as how much people know him, except for, you know, maybe Mickey Mouse.

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He's also like a time capsule of his era. You know, Mickey Mouse has been used so many times throughout

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the generations that it's not like you don't picture steamboat willy as the first thing, but I feel like

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Popeye feels so much emblematic of the era of animation that he comes from. As I'm talking about this,

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I'm thinking about who framed Roger Rabbit, and I'm surprised that Popeye is not a part of that for

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the era of animation that it's dealing with. Where's Popeye? Actually, yeah, David, I'm kind of surprised

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that he didn't make an appearance. Yeah, I don't think we've actually mentioned what we're talking

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about, but I'm sure people have gathered based off of the conversation and the title of the episode.

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What are we talking about, Dan? We are going to be talking about Popeye. We're going to go through

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the history of Popeye, but then we're going to go specifically into the unmade movie that was going

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to be directed by a legend amongst the, how did this not get made, creators? Another common name that

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has been mentioned a lot on here. Yendi Tarikovsky. Just like Guillermo del Toro, his name has been

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attached to so many projects that inevitably a lot of them didn't get made. Yep, and there might be

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another name that pops up that comes up pretty frequently amongst our not get made movies, and you

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will get to that soon. This is another one of those like legendary stories, because this is definitely

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something I've heard before, and I feel like we've probably had people suggesting before, because this

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was one of those like pretty publicized canceled projects where a lot of people on the internet

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are like, "Oh, they were going to do a Popeye movie that never happened." And I think it's probably

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helped by the fact that an entire animatic for the movie was leaked, so a lot of people have seen

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what the movie was supposed to be, and it's definitely helped contribute to its legendary status

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amongst the annals of internet film history. Let's get into the history of it, but before we get into

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And we are back. Let's get into this. So, Popeye first appeared in the comic strip Thimble Theater on

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January 17th, 1929. Now, Thimble Theater Comics was created by E.C. Seeker. Now that comic was first

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published in 1919 in the New York Journal. Later with the help of King Feature syndicates,

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the comic was published in 12 newspapers over the decade. Popeye wasn't introduced until 10 years later,

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and was actually introduced as a one-off character. Before that, Olive Oil was a main character,

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and was created when the comic first came out in December of 1919 as the fiance of the main character

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Harold Hamgravee. Now, when Thimble Theater was first conceived, it followed the tradition of

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making a Lafayette comic strip. Around 1925 is when newspapers began introducing the large format

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color comics, which allowed Seeker to create stories with continuity. So, Thimble Theater was one of

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the first comics to tell a serialized story. In September 1928, Seeker started an ongoing story

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with Hamgravee Olive and her brother, Castor Oil, where they planned to go to Dice Island in the

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hopes to swindle millions from a shady casino with a lucky wiffle hen. Based off of the character names

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and everything, I assume that this was still very much a funny comic, which I would not expect to be

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one of the first continuous story comics. I kind of imagine that to be a Prince Valley.

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just making funny names in funny characters just for that short moment makes sense for

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that type of names like Hamgravee Olive Oil, Castor Oil. So, on this continuous story about

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them going to Dice Island, so they buy boat and they hire the first sailor that they see on the

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docks and it is a quick wit. One-eyed toothless sailor named Popeye sporting a corn cob pipe

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and anchor tattoos on his enlarged forearms. The look of Popeye was distinct but was actually based

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on a real person, Frank Rocky Fiegel. It was a man from Seeker's hometown of Chester, Illinois.

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Rocky was known for his strength in participating in multiple fights. Seeker found Popeye hilarious

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and found any reason to reinsert him into the story. He was someone who was bad tempered,

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had an irritable personality and sarcastic comments while showing that he was loyal and had a good heart.

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Basically, he ended up percoling this comic. Yeah. What made him truly stand out was superhuman

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strength. David, I'm going to have you guess what gave him his superhuman strength? Oh, I know this.

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Of course, I know that it's spinach. Actually, no. It is when he rubs the head feathers of

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Bernice the lucky, little hen. Oh. David, you should know better. I set you up for this every time.

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so my parent called me Popeye. Along with getting the superhuman strength, he was also able to

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survive 12 gunshot wounds. Popeye was first dressed in an all white sailor suit, but then in a

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dice game, he lost his white shirt and then he replaced it with his iconic black shirt.

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no intentions to bring back Popeye. Readers were furious, writing letters to newspapers that

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published the comic to bring back Popeye. And five weeks later, the crusty sailor was back in

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the funny pages. By 1931, Popeye was front and center and the comic was renamed

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Fimble Theater Starry in Popeye the Sailor. And poor Hamgravy and Castor just kind of faded

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out of the script. Also added to the regular roster was the hamburger loving Jay Wellington

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Wimpy. And the character Eugene the Jeep was introduced in 1936, the supernatural fourth dimension

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creature, which was originally gifted to olive oil, but then the ownership was later given to Popeye.

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Jeep is not a character that I knew about when I saw that character in the animatic.

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It was just strange to be like, this is a thing about a sailor and I was not expecting this

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dimension hopping animal. I guess it was not expecting any sort of like magical elements in

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this sailor cartoon. The character was nearly lost after Seeker's death, but also there was a rumor

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and I couldn't find this to be true, but I want to believe it. So there's a rumor that

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Willey's M.B. vehicle was actually given the nickname Jeep in World War II because of the

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car's ability to go anywhere. Wow, wow. Oh, I hope that's true. Now the use of spinach wasn't

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introduced until July 1931 when we see Popeye in a spinach garden eating up all the leafy greens

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claiming that this is the source of his powers. Not only did he become superhumanly strong,

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he was also bulletproof. With his abilities, it's arguable that Popeye might have been the

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very first superhero. Even Jerry Siegel stated that Popeye wasn't influenced when he was creating

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Superman. Throughout the 30s, the Popeye comic strip grew in popularity in Thinble Theater,

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was now being published in over 500 newspapers. AC Seeker died in 1938 from leukemia and a liver disease

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at the age of 43. The comic strip still continued under other artists, most predominantly,

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Bud Seagandorf, who was Seeker's assistant. He would take over the Daily Stripe and Sunday comics

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from 1958 to 1985 and he continued to write and draw the Sunday comics until his death in 1994.

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The Thinble Theater starring Popeye was simply renamed to Popeye in the 1970s. The Daily Stripe

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was canceled in 1992 but the old strips did run in syndication as a replacement but the Sunday strips

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still continued to this day. And Popeye in Thinble Theater remained as one of the longest running

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comic strips of all time. In the same year that Popeye made his appearance in the newspapers,

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the animation studio Fleischer Studios, founded by Max and Dave Fleischer, was getting it start.

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They were known for inventing rotoscoping. Primarily used for their first signature character,

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Coco the Clown. Fleischer Studios' best known original character was Betty Boop, who first appeared

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in 1930 as part of the "Tocatune" series and was soon given her own spin-off. Now Fleischer Studios

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was receiving a lot of pressure from their distributor Paramount to come up with more characters

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and cartoons for them to release. Part of the reason was so that they could compete with Disney,

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who was coming out with technical cartoons and their star character, Mickey Mouse.

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why they were putting a lot of pressure onto Fleischer Studios. Now Fleischer Studios knew that there was

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no way that they can come up with an original character that could compare to the mouse. So they turned

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to comic strips. So they went for the most popular, established comic strip character, Popeye.

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So Fleischer contacted King Features to license their Thinble Theater characters. Before going

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all in on Popeye, they did a test cartoon where Popeye would be a guest character on an episode

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of Betty Boot. The episode was solely animated in secret by Roland Crandall. The episode

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Popeye, the sailor premiered July 14, 1933. The episode primarily focused on Popeye. In it,

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we see a headline news that Popeye is now a movie star. We get many iconic first. Popeye sings the theme.

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I Popeye the sailor man. I Popeye the sailor man. I strong to the finish because I eat my spinach. I

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Popeye the sailor man. We see the rivalry for Olive Oil's affection challenged by Bluto. He only

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appeared once in the comics before. It was just a one-off villain, but I guess he was like such a presence

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there. They were like, this is the perfect villain. He has the villain look to him. It's perfect. Yeah.

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So in it, Bluto kidnaps Olive Oil and Popeye eats a full can of spinach to give him the strength to

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save the day. Popeye and Betty Boot briefly share the screen as she's presented as a Hula dancer

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and Popeye actually joins her. I know we're gonna get into Popeye non-binary icon. Is he wearing a

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Hula skirt? Oh wait, he is wearing a Hula skirt. Oh. Yeah. He's wearing it over his pants still,

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but like he is wearing the skirt. Hey, a skirt's a skirt. So King features was so amazed by the

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cartoon that they actually signed a five-year exclusive contract with Fletcher before the episode

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even aired just two months later. Popeye had his own series starting with the first episode,

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I am what I am. After that, Fletcher Studios began releasing new episodes every month for the next

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25 years. Popeye was a huge hit and became even more popular than Betty Boop. Even the sales of

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spinach increased by over 33%. During the depression. Wow. It sounds impressive to me now and I don't know if

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it would be considered impressive for the times, but a new cartoon every month for 25 years,

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that's like Simpson's level of just longevity. It's no wonder that even though there isn't any

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contemporary Popeye entertainment, he's still such an icon in pop culture. I didn't put into my notes,

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but something to like keep in the back of your head is that the way that they were premiering and

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presenting these shorts was before movies. Like you would see them in the theater. Oh, that's true.

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Okay, yeah, I get what you're saying now. But still, the idea that audiences would still be interested

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in watching Popeye cartoons for 25 straight years. It feels like a big deal to me. Yes. Now,

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consider that with Fleischer Studios and Paramount. That means that they have the exclusive theatrical

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rights. So keep that in mind. Many of Seagars' more complex storylines were dismissed and replaced

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with the formulaic independent stories, olive oils and trouble, Popeye with the help of spinach,

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beats up whatever that threat may be. Popeye was first voiced by Billy Castello, aka Red Pepper Sam.

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Now, he was there for the first 26 shorts, but due to his alcoholism, he became more and more

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incoherent. The Fleischers fired him for "bad behavior." Jerry Placem was the in-betweener Jack

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Mercer, who also voiced Felix the Cat. The production of Popeye was unconventional in the way that

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they animated the cells before recording the voices. So the actors would have to sync up their voice

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with whatever the animators timed out the characters' mouth to say. So for Jack Mercer, he actually

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took advantage of this by improvising a lot of Popeye's trademark grumbles and mumbles. What size?

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What size? Anybody knows? That's crazy. Oh boy. A flip, flip, flip. I take a three and a half

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but a night feel so good. I better get 12, so. Fleischer Studios had to crank out these cartoons as

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quickly as possible, and one way that they could save time was to do away with pencil tests. So a lot

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of times what they were initially drawing was used as the final product. Wow. Wow. Also something about

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the earlier comics you may notice that the look of Popeye was inconsistent, and that was because they

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had no model sheets whatsoever. So basically Popeye's liquid very depending on the animation team

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that was working on that month's short. The style of animation in Popeye is known as the rubber hose

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animation where the movement of the characters were very loose and flexible rather than the squash

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and stretch animation, which makes characters a lot more rigid. Up until 1936, Popeye shorts were

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typically in black and white. The cartoon made its debut in Technicolor with the short Popeye,

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the sailor meets Sinbad, the sailor. Released in November 27th, 1936, this was also when the

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Fleischers introduced the stereotypical process. Now this is a technique where cartoon cells were

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filmed in front of a 3D background. This was a way to compete with Disney's multi-plane

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camera technique. Does that make sense to you, David? What that is? I know the multi-plane camera. I can

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guess what the other thing you're talking about is. Would they ever use like real world imagery,

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you know, film it in front of like a sky or something like that? No, because they wanted a lot of

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control. That makes sense. Yeah. There's this behind the scenes video of Crow that's like flying

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through the air and it's flying around a mountain. And what they did was they created like a paper

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machine mountain that was like on a lazy Susan. And they would replace the cells in front of the

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camera of this bird flying. And then every cell that was taken that they took a photo of, they

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would just rotate the mountain just little by little by little. And then someone's shouting,

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"I'd like to see Walt Disney do that." So for the Sinbad short, that actually ran at 16 minutes

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long, which was actually twice as long as what the usual shorts were. And it took them too reals

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to present it when they put it in theaters. Now the flyshers produced two more shorts in

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technical color in the hopes that Paramount would fund a full length feature. This is around

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in 1937. And if Paramount agreed, this would have been the first ever feature length animated film.

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Wow. Paramount was hesitant on taking on the risk and waited for Disney to really snow white in

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the seven doors and just watched the results. Yeah. Imagine not wanting to be the first people to do

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the thing. Nowadays, every film studio would want to be like, "We got there first." I guess I assumed

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that something that is technical or something where you can claim that you were the first person to do

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this specific thing. I certainly don't assume that studios would ever take creative risks. Why would

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you ever want to try a new story? Paramount did agree to a feature film and the flyshers did begin

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working on Gulliver's Travels with Papa being the main character as Gulliver. What?

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Hollywood, California. And a straightforward interpretation was animated instead.

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That's a shame. Yeah. Papa would be the perfect character to insert into Gulliver's Travels.

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Oh, yes. I'm now just trying to imagine any other famous book or story that takes place on a boat

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or traveling through the sea and just inserting Papa there. So if Papa in Gulliver's Travels was

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successful, next we would get, you know, Papa Moby Dick and Papa the Odyssey, Papa Hearts of Darkness.

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I want to see all of these movies. Do you say Papa Treasure Island? I did not say Papa Treasure Island.

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Yes, of course. Would Papa be the Long John Silver Roll or the Jim Hawkins?

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Maybe Jim Hawkins. 1942 was a year of major change for Papa. The flyshers brothers were in

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depth and they were expanding their content to make more series. But Papa was the only property of

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theirs that was profitable. Studios were rejecting any cartoons that did not start Papa and had to

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pay Paramount $250,000 to offset those losses. On top of that, they were penalized with $350,000

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for going over budget on Gulliver's Travels, which they failed to pay. They did find much success when

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they produced the Superman Short. But when they came to their second feature film Mr. Bug Ghost Town,

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the box office revenue couldn't cover the production costs. The studio played it with the idea

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of continuing animating Superman Short's, but seeing that the production costs were actually four

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times more expensive than any Papa episode. They were risking just losing more money.

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So Paramount forced the flyshers to resign and Paramount took over and waived the fees. In May 1942,

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Flyshers Studios was renamed to Famous Studios. Flyshers Studios made a total of 109 Papa shorts

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before Paramount took over and renamed it to the Famous Papa.

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In the US, the country had been just attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor the year before.

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So the focus was changed to creating propaganda shorts. Papa's costume would change to the US

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Navy uniform, which he kept wearing even after World War II head ended. And he uses inhuman

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strength to fight off Nazis and the Japanese, and would occasionally fall back into the formula

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to fight Blutel for all of his affection. Famous Studios was looking to make their mark on the

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iconic character. In 1943, they ran their last Papa comic produced in Black and White and made

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the permanent switch to Technicolor. They also mess with the love triangle formula. This time,

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Olive Oil would oftentimes fall for Bluto and get together with him while Papa would have to find

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ways to win her back. The look of Bluto became more muscular and Olive Oil was given more feminine

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features. With the increase in quality, the studio could only produce about eight shorts annually

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opposed to Flyshers once a month release schedule. Papa continued into the 50s, but popularity

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began to wane with audiences. The formula that worked was become predictable and uninteresting

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and the humor was being targeted towards children and wasn't edgy anymore. In 1953, famous studios

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jumped the shark with the 3D short Papa the Ace of Space. Now, when you say 3D because of the

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time, I assume you mean like it's got the red and blue glasses 3D? Yep, okay. The short didn't

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bring back the audience the studio was hoping for and in 1953, they produced their final Papa short

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spooky swabs. Famous Studios continued with other shorts, but Paramount eventually closed down the

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animation studio in 1969. Famous made a total of 125 Papa shorts. Now, the catalog of shorts were

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sold to associate artist productions, which was later bought out by United Artists, with various

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mergers, Warner Bros. now owns the rights to those shorts. Wonder if they're an HBO Max? Probably not.

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Why would they keep anything on HBO Max? First, they came for the Sailor Man and I said nothing

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for I was not a Sailor Man. While we do this, I'm usually like pulling up articles and stuff, so I

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pulled up the Papa Ace of Space, which is now just has me looking at Papa animation. Just have

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Papa cartoons playing with the sound off just in it to open tab right now. Because you're right,

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it's just so easy to watch even without any sound. You don't need the dialogue because it's so visual.

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And we're back and we're hoping that all of those products, services, and true crime podcasts will

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improve your life in some way, shape or form. In the 1960s, television was increasingly becoming

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more widely available and King Feature's syndicate, the original distributor of Thimble Theater,

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did not receive any residuals from Papa during its theatrical run. Seeing that they own the IP,

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they took this opportunity to make Papa into a TV show.

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Now from 1960 to '62, they produced the series "Papa the Sailor" that premiered on ABC.

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The animation style was vastly different from Flesher and Famous and they took full advantage of

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the limited animation style. And because of this, within the two-year span that King Feature's

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produce a show, they produced about 220 Papa the Sailor episodes. Even with the decreased quality,

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the ratings were high. This might be due to Papa's short "Speed Shown" on television throughout the

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50s, creating an audience there. King Feature's syndicate obviously didn't produce those episodes,

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but they were the distributor and contractor. To create many of the episodes, they sought out

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multiple studios to make their show, which include Jack Kenny Productions, Runbrand films,

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Larry Harmon Productions, Halis and Bachelor, Paramount Cartoon Studios, and Southern Star Entertainment.

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With this many studios working on the same property, the look of the characters were not consistent at all,

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which I guess is kind of consistent with how it started, so it's okay. Although Papa's all-white

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Navy uniform was his primary outfit. Now, Bluto's name was changed to Brutus, and that's because Paramount

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proclaimed that they came up with the character Bruto, and King Feature's was just too lazy to

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look up Bluto in the original "Thin Ball Theater" comics, which they owned. The studios were allowed

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to pull any characters from the comics, which included Eugene the Jeep in making him a prominent character.

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Flight for studios, yes, they did use him, but they only used him three times out of the 100-plus

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episodes. The character became more popular, and over the years has become the unofficial mascot

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of the Papa franchise. After the initial run of Papa at the Sailor, the show remained in

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syndication until the 1990s. Now, just to throw back a little, we mentioned Bud Sagan Dorf,

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who was AC Seagull's assistant. Now, after Seagull's death in 1938, he was still working for King Feature's,

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but he didn't take over the strip right away, because he was 23 at the time, and when he got the

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assistant job, he was actually just a teenager. So, King Feature's had to move him to New York, where he

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would illustrate marketing material in various properties, which helped develop Papa toys and games.

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And in 1948, Sagan Hoff was given the task to write and illustrate the Papa comic book for

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multiple publishers, including Dell, King Comics, and Gold Key Comics. In the Dell Comics, Papa

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was a crime fighter, who was trying to take down his organized crime nemesis, Bluto. Sagan Dorf continued

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making these comics until 1967. Papa, the superhero strikes again. Yes. For a while, from 1958 to 67,

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Bud Sagan Dorf was working on the comic books, The Daily Strip, and The Sunday Strip. The

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Papa comic still continued at Charlton Comics from 1967 to 1977, and it was created by George Wildman.

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Some of the comics made at Gold Key, while Sagan Dorf was there, were illustrated by Wildman and was

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written by Bill Pearson and Nick Cutty. There was even a manga series published by Shonen Gahosha,

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and created by Zobitan and Maroud Damio and creator Kenji Morita.

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If it exists, there is manga of it. So in 1988, Ocean Comics published the Papa

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Special, written by Ron Fortier, and illustrated by Ben Dunn. This story explored Papa's origin story.

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In it, he was given the nickname Ugly Kid. In their second issue, they introduced Bluto and Brutus,

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explaining that they're actually twin brothers. That sounds like some classic comics stuff.

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I've been reading a lot of like Silver Age, Bronze Age, Marvel comics. They started in the 60s

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deciding let's actually have a consistent continuity to all these comics, but the explanations they

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try to come up with for the various different Steve Rogers' over the years, or the various

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different human torches is very entertaining. In 1999, Ocean Comics, they actually published a

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one-shot comic, The Wedding of Papa in Olive Oil, which was written by Peter David. Finally,

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we got to see the union of the On and Off Again couple, with guests that included all the characters

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from the comic strips and the shorts. For a brief period, in 1989, Papa was the spokesperson for

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Quaker Oatmeal. "Based groups are silly, silly, but where is the spinach?" "Can the spinach? I once

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me instant Quaker Oatmeal." "It's the hot part of me, Malant's breakfast." "You forget it,

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something!" "Oh, hey, now there's a Papa comic book, especially,

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Monc Boxes of Instant Quaker Oatmeal." "Papa wants a burger!"

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He appeared in comics that were included in specially marked boxes of instant Quaker Oatmeal,

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and he appeared in three commercials where he'd lose a parrot, Olive Oil, or Sweepy,

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and to save the day, instead of eating spinach, he would eat Quaker Oatmeal to obtain his strength.

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And he came up with the phrase, "I'm Papa the Quaker Man." "Blast for me, no respect for the

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original source material that also changed his original powers of spinach anyways."

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I find it funny that you are, well, quote, unquote, "angry" about that because there was an

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actual group that was angry about that campaign because the Religious Society of Friends,

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also known as the Quakers, were very upset with him saying, "I'm Papa the Quaker Man."

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And soon afterwards, they ended that ad campaign. "That is absolutely fair."

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Yes, yes. In 1972, ABC premiered the 60-minute made-for-TV movie, "Papa meets the man who hated

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laughter." "Now let's see those fools try to make me laugh." "A hoi, folks, we have a really big

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shoe for you tonight. Our first act will be Daisy the Wonder Dogs."

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This was part of the Sunday Superstar movie collection. The special was animated by

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Filmmation, who took Liberty by inserting many characters from King Feature comic strips,

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not just the Thimble Theater. So this included Flash Gordon, the Phantom, Mandrake, the Magician,

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Beetle Bailey, and the Quincy's. Many of the character models resembled how they look in the comics,

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and Papa was given his iconic black sailor shirt. In 1978, Papa returned to television with the

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all-new Papa Hour, which was produced by Hanabar Barra, as part of the CBS Saturday Morning Lineup.

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The show shared the one-hour slot with the show "Dinky Dog." Papa was given the original sailor suit,

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except the shirt was blue, and Brutus was reverted back to Bluto. If you remember from our Scooby-Doo

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episode, there was a restriction put on children's programming that prevented violence to be shown.

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So Papa's usual method of punching his way out of a situation had to be changed. In most cases,

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he would just pick up Bluto and just throw him. Yeah, returning to voice Papa was Jack Mercer.

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Well, the real Jack Mercer, please stand up. Jack the audience would kill me if I let you get

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away without giving us some small demonstration of Papa. Just anything you'd care to do.

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I think Glad to. Oh, I'm Papa the sailor man.

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In 1979, as part of season 2, and CBS aired the Papa Valentine's Day special "Sweet Hearts at Sea,"

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and the story took up the full half-hour slot.

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What's this? A love note? "Dear Ex-boy-fringed Papa." You forgot Valentine's Day for the last time,

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so get lost. Signed your Ex-boy-fring. The new Olive. Oh my God!"

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The show ran from 1981 and got rebranded to the half-hour program titled "Papa in Olive Comedy Hour."

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The show ran until 1983, the year before Mercer passed away. In the mid-70s,

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Columbia and Paramount were in a bidding war to produce the adaptation of the hit Broadway musical

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Annie, which started off as a comic strip and was one of the few that was actually more popular

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than Papa. After Paramount lost the bid, executive producer Robert Evans held a meeting with the

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head of Gulf Western, which is Paramount's parent company. Charles Ladorne, along with the other

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executives Barry Diller, Michael Eisner, and Jeffrey Katzenberg. They were in search for a property

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that they could make a musical out of, and they came to the conclusion that it could be about Papa. Why?

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Because Paramount still had the theatrical rights to the property thanks to King Feature's contract.

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Evans hired Jules Feifer to write the script in 1977. No, Feifer, he started off his career

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working for Will Eisner when he was working on a comic strip, The Spirit. After that, he created

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his own comic strip titled Six Six Sick and later Feifer's Fables. And finally, Feifer. Actually,

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Kubrick, Stanley Kubrick, briefly worked with Feifer, hoping to make Six Six Sick into a movie,

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but that film was never made. And Feifer eventually got into playwriting in the 60s and

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wrote Little Murders, Feifer's People, Knock Knock, Elliott Loves, The White House Murders, and

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grownups. So he didn't really come from a movie writing background. It was a lot of playwriting

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and comic strips, and they figured he does comics. He can write this till we find. Although Mike

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Nichols adapted one of his unproduced plays, which was "Carnel Knowledge" a film that came out in 1971.

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Now for Feifer, his dream cast, to play Papa, he wanted Dustin Hoffman.

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Yes, I'm great and will the opponent? Yes, no!

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For Olive Oil, he wanted Lily Tomlin, which I kind of agree with. Another consideration, which I

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also thought was really good, Guilder Radner. Speaking to your wife in the new mile hour,

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nuclear reactor site, where Womos are wanting Wempen, that the president has been exposed to

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with the levels of radiation. Now to direct, he wanted John Slesinger, who directed Midnight Cowboy,

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but he declined. Next they considered Arthur Penn. He was the one that directed Bonnie and Clyde.

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He was unavailable, and then eventually Robert Altman, who directed Nashville, was hired.

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Just the names that you are suggesting for this movie based off of a comic strip, about a cartoon

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sailor man to get the guy who did Midnight Cowboy or Bonnie and Clyde. That's the kind of tone that we

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want to get for this movie. Dark, gritty. Yeah, so strange and Dustin Hoffman. Nowadays, Dustin Hoffman

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does as much comedy as anything else, but this is the graduate Dustin Hoffman and Midnight Cowboy,

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Dustin Hoffman. That's so strange. Yeah, well, Dustin Hoffman did drop out because he had creative

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differences with Fyfer. Now Disney, they joined the production in December of 1979 with a two picture

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deal with Paramount. The other picture that they were going to co-create was Popeye and Dragon Slayer.

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"You walked away from the flames. You must send me back there. You'll know the time. You must act.

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My life is still in me." In exchange, Disney would help distribute the movie internationally.

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Now Robin Williams was cast to play the Mumbling Sailor with this being his very first feature role.

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This part I did not realize that it was his first movie that he did. The live-action Popeye is

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notorious for being a pretty big failure. I have not seen the movie. I know there are people who

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have its defenders though. Have you seen the live-action Robin Williams Popeye and have an opinion on it?

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I remember trying to watch it. This is around the time when Robin Williams had died. Everyone was going

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over his iconic roles and there was Popeye in the mix there. I was like, I had never actually seen

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Popeye, so I actually sat down and I tried to watch it and I just could not finish it. It is just

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unwatchable. It is really hard to get through. "What am I? I'm Popeye, the seal. I am, I am, I am, I am,

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I am, I am, I am, that told that I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am." I do think it is funny that they

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gave him those prosthetic arms. It really reminds me of the direction people would go with a dick-tracing

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stuff. Short time later with, let's put these comic characters literally on screen.

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And then as olive oil, they got Shelley DeVol.

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For once, for once in life, I finally felt that someone needed me.

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For Bluto, they got Paul L. Smith. Now the original songs was written by Harry Nielsen,

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which I looked into and I didn't see anything that was like prominent that I could really pull from

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or like it is an example. So he seems to do a lot of like small things but like this is the first

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time that he could really like make a name for himself. But fortunately the production was a mess.

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The production took place in Malta and the set was built beyond what was needed for filming.

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After shooting, they left up the set and it has actually been turned into an amusement park called

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Popeye Village. You can still visit it today. Oh, interesting. Along with the set, they also

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constructed recording studios and editing suite in living areas for the remote location,

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which just inflated the budget. On top of that, the bad weather costs the production three more

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weeks of shooting. They also ran into mechanical issues with the giant octopus.

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A shark? Close. The giant octopus and also Popeye's inflatable forearms.

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They actually had to like get them remade somewhere in Italy and like shipped in at the last minute.

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And very often if you watch the movie again, which why would you? But you'll notice that a lot of

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shots are from the chest up or like close-up shots and that was to avoid seeing his forearms

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because they didn't have the prosthetics in yet. Dan, don't say why would you knowing our audience?

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I guarantee you we have about at least a dozen people listening to this right now who genuinely

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love that Popeye movie. There's always going to be some people who it really speaks to.

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If you are one of those people who love Popeye, nothing but respect for you.

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Loving weird things is very good in my opinion. Even if that weird thing is not something I love.

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So the vocals for the song were recorded live on set instead of having pre-recorded songs for the

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actress to sync up with. All that talk from Les Mis being the first to do it and they weren't.

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They were stealing from Popeye. Popeye was the original. Get your facts straight.

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Now there is a shot where you can see the a can of spinach being thrown at Popeye

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in which it hits Robin Williams in the head. After that they had to actually take them to the

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hospital to get stitches. No. Yeah. They tried to include Eugene the Jeep but they couldn't find a

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way to make the character work as far as like special effects go. They gave the supernatural abilities

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to sweep he instead which is why that weird inconsistency is there. Vyfer was on location as the

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on set writer along with the production problems which cause a lot of consistent rewrites in the movie.

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He did not like the music that was written by Harry Nelson saying that it did not match the tone

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and it was way too slow.

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Vyfer eventually left the production in the middle of shooting after growing frustration.

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For Altman he was not a fan of Robin Williams improv mumbling which made it even more difficult

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when they had to dub in his lines in post-production because Robin Williams couldn't speak with a pipe

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in his mouth. Supposedly Altman did not finish what he wanted to shoot in Paramount forced him to

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turn in the footage after the film budget ballooned to up to 20 million dollars and then the end Paramount

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may have come out on top because the pop-up movie actually made three million dollars more than the

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anti-movie. Oh really? You would not expect that based on the cultural impact of those two movies.

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No. Popeye-Word Return to Television again in 1987 with one season of Popeye and Sun produced again

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by Hannah Barbera in it, Popeye and Olive are married and they have a son. Not sweepy though,

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it is Popeye Jr who hates the taste of spinach.

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And then Bluto he also has a family and his son Tink is actually a bully towards Popeye Jr.

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Now to voice Popeye was Maurice March which you may know as the voice of Brain.

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A new animated Popeye wouldn't be seen again until 2004 when Lionsgate produced the CG animated

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straight to DVD special Popeye's voyage The Quest for Pappy in celebration of Popeye's 75th

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anniversary. This time Billy West provided the voice for the Mumbling Sailor. He would later

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claim that voice in Popeye was the hardest job he had ever done and talking like him was quote

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like a buzzsaw to your throat. I'm looking at images of this movie right now and this is

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pretty bad. Yeah, this is like almost food fight levels of animation quality.

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On September 18th 2014 Sony Animation Studios released an animation test of their Popeye movie.

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Introduce by director Yandee Tardikovsky. When I first started the animation my very first

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teacher was a 90 year old Popeye animator from the Flusher Studios Gordon Sheen. So I feel like

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it's destiny that's brought me here to Sony Pictures Animation to make Popeye an animated feature.

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The development for Sony's Popeye movie was first announced in March of 2010 and like the Lionsgate

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film it was going to be CG animated. In November 2011 Sony Animation announced that the smurfs writer

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Jack Cherrick and David Ron were hired to write the screenplay. Gandee Tardikovsky who I know is

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extremely well known name in animation and we talked a lot about his whole career in our

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samurai Jack episode. So if you want to hear a lot more about the life and times of Gandee Tardikovsky

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go check out our episode on samurai Jack. In June of 2012 Gandee Tardikovsky joined the production

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as the director. In November a release date was announced September 26th of 2014 which then got

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pushed back to September of 2015 and then again to September of 2016. While production was getting

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delayed Tardikovsky was still working though but he was working on Hotel Transylvania too. Yeah Gandee

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Tardikovsky had already worked with Sony Pictures Animation on Hotel Transylvania a movie that I

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haven't seen but from what I understand is a pretty well loved or at the very least well liked movie.

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It seems to be one of those movies that doesn't have a loud fan base but it seems like everybody who

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seen it likes the movie. I love that Sony Pictures Animation is the ones who are working on this project

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especially in the post spiderverse world. Sony has gotten a lot of love of doing things with CG

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animation that are different than what all of the other major animation studios were doing but

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I think even at this time you know cloudy with a chance of meatballs and hotel Transylvania

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feel different from Disney Dreamworks Pixar and it's leaning into that cartoony movement and that

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cartoony physics and logic in a way that the other major CG animation studios were not doing. So when

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I realized this was Sony Pictures that got me really excited. The animatic that we saw there was one

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prominent actor who is in there to voice Popeye and that was Tom Kenny. You may know him as SpongeBob.

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There was Gray D'Lyzel. Gray D'Lyell. David I actually brought this up with you yesterday.

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The voice of Eugene the Jeep. Did you figure out who that was? Yeah the moment that you said oh there

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is an animal character in this you want to guess who they had to voice the animal character I'm

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like oh yeah so it's D Bradley Baker that's who you're leading me into of course. It definitely is

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D Bradley Baker. Famously the voice of Momo and Appa in Avatar the Last Air Bender.

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The voice of Bluto which I thought was perfect was John Demagio. Oh. The voice of Bender.

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Of course. What time is it? Time for you to shut up. And then the seahag.

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I thought this was great. Trust McNeil. Which you remember from? The weird owl song that now I

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don't remember which song it was but I know she was in one of them. She was Lucy. And of course

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has been in a million animated things. Let me be in your show Ricky. She's also Agnes Skinner.

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Every time there's an animated movie based off of a famous animated character or series or anything

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like that. There's always this conversation of why are they casting big name movie stars in these

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roles instead of voice actors whose career is out of voice actors. We don't need to keep giving

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Chris Pratt work as being voices. We could give the voice actors work in the big movies. You don't

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need the celebrities and that's amazing to me and wonderful to me that that's what they were doing

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for the Popeye movie. Yeah. That might be partly because of Gandy Tardikovsky. He came coming from

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television. He's like these guys are great. They're gonna fit this role perfectly. I mean it really

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feels like this was gonna be the movie for animation nerds. Now normally I would go into the plot

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but this doesn't really fall in line with the timeline on the story and you'll kind of see why.

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In March of 2015 Sony announced that Tardikovsky's Popeye film was canceled. That's it. The

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picture is canceled. Finished were leaving. Does that mean I'm through with a stupid movie? I guess so, son.

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In a movie phone interview Gandy stated with quote "Popeye at least we got to put up the screening

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everyone really like the sizzle. We got a positive reaction. I was in love with what we were doing

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but I think the studio is going through changes and I don't know if they wanted to make the Popeye

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that I wanted to make. So they've got to make a decision. It's hard to let Popeye go but that's

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the business. Around the time of the cancellation Sony was going through systematic changes within

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the studio. In 2014 Sony pictures got hacked by the Guardians of Peace, something that we covered

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in our Men and Black in 21 Jump Street episode in response to the film The Interview, a film

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depicting a journalist tasked with assassinating the leader of North Korea. Sony let go of Sony Pictures

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Digital Productions, President Bob Oshar and Chairperson Amy Pascal after the hack revealed emails

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with some racially insensitive language and hired former DreamWorks producer Kristen Belson as president

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of the Sony Pictures animation. Interesting. Popeye was put on hold. Tartikovsky finished hotel

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Transylvania 2 and was tasked with making another film Can You Imagine, another film that got canceled.

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And the next feature down the line for Sony Animation was the emoji movie. Yes. I saw a lot of

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clickbait titled articles where it's like Sony's scrap Popeye to make the emoji movie. It's like

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no, they just canceled one movie and then just another one popped up. That's really what it was.

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If you look at the movies that they made in this time, we've got Angry Birds, then Sausage Parties

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and a Smurfs movie, then the emoji movie, and Peter Rabbit. I will say though, Sausage Party is a

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better movie than it should be. Okay, I'll take your word for it and not go find out for myself.

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Not until Spider-Verse comes along that they get that cred back. Yes. So Tartikovsky knew that when

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the hack happened, a lot of productions did not take priority in the company, including his

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he would ask executives for feedback. And the only notes that he would get is something along the

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lines of, "It looks great," which he knew was a bad sign. He personally went to Amy Pascal's office

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and said, "Look, I'm a big boy, I can take it. I just need some information." And she said, "Look,

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candy. We love you. We just don't like Popeye." Oh man. In May of 2020, it was announced that

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Tartikovsky was back to make a new Popeye movie. This time, not under Sony Animation,

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but working directly with King Features. No update so far on what's happening there. But in July

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of 2022, an automatic of Sony's Popeye movie was leaked by an anonymous person that goes by the

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pseudonym Chip Buddy. For a short time, you could watch the full 87-minute rough film with Tom

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Kenny and Gray D'Lyle's voice tracks with the sound effects and temporary reference film score.

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The news source, Cartoon Brew, confirmed the authenticity, but they could not get a follow-up on

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how many different versions there were and how close this automatic was to the final film.

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Now, we were able to watch the animatic. I don't know how much we can really distribute that

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animatic, but what we can do is kind of summarize what we watched in that animatic for you to enjoy

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in your earballs.

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So here is what happens in the movie.

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We open on Pappy in a robot at night in the middle of the storm with the sick baby barely arriving

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to plunder Island. On the island is a witch, the sea hag, who has magical abilities that she

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obtains with the help of a red ruby that she keeps in her eye socket. Pappy presents the sick child to

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the sea hag. She agrees to help when she sees the baby as ugly as her. She cures the kid, kidnaps him,

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and sends the father away. Later that night, Pappy sneaks into the sea hag's bedroom, takes his

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son back and steals the magical jewel. Her goons search the island. In an act of desperation, Pappy puts

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his son and the jewel in a spinach crate and sends it out to sea before getting captured. The sea

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hag proclaims that in 17 years, all her powers will be gone if she does not get the ruby back. The goons

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take to the sea in search of the jewel. Meanwhile, in the crate, the child eats the spinach in the presence

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of the magical jewel. A cracking appears and snatches the child, but it is no match when he magically

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becomes super strong. The beaten crack in places the child back into the crate. I feel like there's

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a pretty common trope of doing these movie versions of classic characters that feel like they have to

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tell the origin story that I'm kind of tired of. We don't need to see the origin story for all these

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characters. It's okay, I can understand. We don't need to see the spider bite. Yeah, but I think this

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had enough fun with all of that that it didn't really bother me. I was not really expecting the

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magical aspects, but then again, I don't know too much about Popeye, so maybe sea hags are much more

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common in the cartoons than I'm just not aware. Something that we should mention that I can't

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really sum up or put in the summary is that a lot of this is a musical, a lot of this is sung.

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Yeah, beginning is sort of sung, but I don't remember that being a part of the rest of the animatic.

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Even in the beginning, it's like spoke sung back and forth. Yeah, but it rhymes. The dad showed her his

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dying boy. She was stunned and filled with joy because the babe was as ugly as her. She let out a

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idea. It did feel like it was the introduction to a musical. Yeah, at sea, the baby loses the jewel

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before arriving to the shore of sea haven. He's found by woman, Judy, who names him Popeye due to

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his one eye and brings him to her orphanage. There, he shares a bed with a bearded baby,

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Pluto, who doesn't take kindly to Popeye. The moment that he's laid in the crib and we see

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bearded baby, Pluto, that was like the moment that sold me that I was like, yes, I am on board for

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what this movie is doing. Yes. Growing up, Popeye struggled to fit in with the other kids. One

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morning, Popeye is awoken by a whale. It seems like all the sea creatures are looking out for Popeye.

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At the beach with the other children, Popeye tapes a fake paper eye to his face and attempt to be

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normal, but it doesn't work. Pluto and the kids still pick on him, observing the orphans is a young olive

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oil. She asks her parents what they're doing and they tell her that the kids are pretending

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and she isn't sure what pretending means so she asks, what is it? And is told it is to be something

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that you're not. She thinks it looks like fun, but her father reminds her that she's from the

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house on the top of the hill and she wouldn't want to be anyone else. Only poor people imagine.

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Any montage, we see a cluster of orphans being chosen and taking home to a family, but Popeye

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is never chosen. Judy informs him that he is just one of a kind, but Popeye sees that negatively

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and that he's different. Saturn, he walks to the beach. There, the red ruby washes up on shore.

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Unnoticed by the boy, multiple times with the help of various animals, the jewel is thrown at Popeye

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to get him to notice. He picks up the red diamond and stares into it. The jewel reveals his origin

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story and that his dad is out there stranded on a ship wrecked boat that looks like a shark.

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Popeye needs to find his father. In a montage, he builds a ship with parts from a junkyard.

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During his build, he finds the magical Eugene the Jeep, resistant at first,

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Popeye finally accepts jeeps willingness to help. Through the narration from a talking fish,

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we are informed that Popeye is about 18 or 19.

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Is it a talking fish? I thought it was always like we would get introduced to a fish and then it would

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get scooped up by a pelican and then the pelican would be the narrator. It would kind of go back and forth,

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yeah. And that was like the runner throughout the whole thing of this fish kept like doing a dance

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and immediately getting scooped up. I think that was towards the end, but yes, I do remember that

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sequence being in the animatic. So the ship is complete and prepares to set sail and find his dad.

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As they launch, Jeep gives Popeye his iconic sailor hat. Popeye looks out into the sea and realizes,

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he has no idea where to go. We cut to an older olive oil, playing in her bedroom, pretending she's

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on an adventure. Her mom walks in criticizing her, wondering why she needs to pretend when other people

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pretend to be in her wealthy position and that she has a wonderful boyfriend, Bluto. In a flashback,

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we see Bluto and Olive meet and that Bluto is more interested in Olive's house and status than her.

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Her mother hopes for her to get married have children and live in the house for the rest of their

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lives. Olive dreads the thought and is unsure of her true self. In a grand gesture, remexing a very

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white song, Bluto proposes to Olive, but her mother stops the proposal when she sees how small the

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diamond is. Bluto in a panic goes out and search for a large diamond ring. That evening, Popeye

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vists a sailor's pub, which is revealed to be a family restaurant. There he finds an older sailor

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that informs him that Plunder Island is the place that he's looking for and not the place that you

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want to find. He warns him of the sea hagg. The sailor uses a kid's placemat to make a map.

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And this is a great scene where like you see the fish stick forest, he crosses that out and says

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the unseen forest. Then there's the Mac and cheese island crosses that out to make

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island in the sky and then there's tartar sauce sea, which he crosses out to be the heart of darkness.

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They call back to it a couple of times where it's like they've got the traveling sequences where

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you show the dotted line on the map, except it's the kid's menu and you're seeing like the scratched

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out names of what was written on there. So good. Good gag. Bluto is wallowing in the street,

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wondering how he can get a bigger diamond when he runs into Popeye. Bluto makes fun of him for

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never being adopted but Popeye shows him that he doesn't need to be adopted because this big red

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ruby has shown Popeye where his dad is and Bluto is infatuated with the jewel. That night Popeye is

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afraid that his dad might not like him, but Jeep reassures him that if he likes him then his dad

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surely will. Bluto sneaks into Popeye's boat and steals the magical red jewel. The next morning

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Popeye is about to set sail, but the diamond is gone. He reads in the newspaper headline that Bluto and

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Olive are engaged and there in the photo is Popeye's jewel. He marches to Olive's house on the hill

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to find her sleeping, wearing the ring with Popeye's diamond. He's about to snag it and that's when she

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starts to sleepwalk. Popeye chases her around the town as she unconsciously walks through some crazy

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scenarios. At one point he drives a taxi cab, her passenger being Jay Wellington Wimpy who just

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wants to go, forget where he wants to go, he wants to go to a burger place. And then Popeye hijacks

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a scooter to chase her down. While driving through a hotel, Popeye runs into a womb service cart

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serving a spinach salad which he accidentally eats, which then Popeye explodes in power,

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soaring into the air. He saves Olive from plummeting to the ground and Wimpy crash lands in front of

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a burger haven. Popeye is amazed by his new found abilities and Olive wakes up in his arms. He tries to

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explain that he needs this jewel back but Olive is quick to conclusions and begins beating Popeye,

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waking the whole town with her screams. Popeye grabs Olive and runs from the sea,

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haven citizens and Bluto. Probably the biggest laugh that I had in this was a moment when Olive

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oil is in trouble and Bluto shouts out my finances. I mean, my fiancee. Yes, you.

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Is such a great line, yes. So jeep starts up the boat as Popeye and Olive get on the ship and they take

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off. Through an animated map and a narrating pelican, we learn that the sea hack has been searching

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every island in hopes to find her diamond. Her latest destination being sea haven. At sea haven,

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Bluto announces he's off to get Olive oil back in a sent-away with great fanfare. When he is out at sea,

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he runs into a fleet of old ships led by the sea-hag. Bluto is brought on board and is questioned about her

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jewel. He immediately gives up the details. Now Bluto goes back to his boat but he can't go back to the

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island because of he does. He'll look like a coward but if he goes after the sea-hag, he will most certainly

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die. So he just stays put. Olive oil wakes up to find that they are sailing through a storm.

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With some cartoon antics, they barely escape. When they get to calm seas, Popeye explains to Olive

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that he just wants his jewel back. Olive freaks out, stating that it's hers and goes on about

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marrying and having kids with Bluto and she'll forever be the girl from the house on the hill.

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She doesn't believe someone like Popeye could ever own a jewel like that. Olive takes control of the ship,

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turned it around in the midst of taking back control. Popeye flings Olive overboard. Popeye jumps into

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the sea to get her. The two partake in a zany cartoon chase and accidentally find the unseen

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forest which is just an underwater forest. Olive is an awe and she is having a real-life adventure

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like the one she pretended to have. They keep on sailing at night admiring the stars, looking

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for the island in the sky. Popeye asks for the jewel again and as he asks, a ship headed towards sea-having

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passes by. A vision is seen in the jewel and Olive finally believes that this is Popeye's jewel.

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Popeye states that if he gets a jewel back she can get on the passing ship and she can go home.

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Olive wanting to continue in this adventure lies and says the ring is stuck on her finger and

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Jeep notices that she lied. I'm so happy with Jeep's reaction to that as well because his reaction

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is getting really excited for a love story that's about to happen. Yeah.

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Popeye looks up at this strange-looking moon. In a transition from the moon, we see the sea-hag

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transforming into a more hideous creature. She becomes more desperate and forces her goons to work harder.

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The next day we cut to Bluto, baking and hallucinating in the sun. He kisses a wish-granting fish for

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money, which turns out to be nothing. And Popeye and Olive continue sailing. Popeye is suspiciously

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looking up into the clouds while Olive is having fun pointing out that the clouds resemble some things.

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Suddenly, sky pirates start falling from the sky, some charge on propeller planes and attack the ship.

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Through more cartoon tomfoolery, the three of them fight off the pirates. The three get tangled up

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and captured. The pirates assume from the look of the ship that there's nothing valuable until

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they see Olive's engagement ring. They piece together that this is the jewel of the sea-hag that they

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are looking for. Knowing this, they will make them rich. Olive gives up the ring when they threaten

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to cut off her finger, and Popeye sees now that she has lied. Popeye sneaks on to the Pirates plane that

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takes him to the island in the sky. He goes back to the ship and makes their way to the island.

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There are too many pirates to fight, so they must sneak around in disguise. Olive addresses

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like a pirate while Popeye dresses like a female pirate. Olive is not convincing as a seductive

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pirate, but Popeye saves the day, seducing all the pirates while dressed in drag. Successfully,

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Popeye snags the ring. The head pirate insists that he stay, but Popeye is trying to leave. He offers

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a spinach odour that activates Popeye's powers. He's found out and they run and escape onto the ship.

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Are you familiar with the Popeye non-binary icon conversation? We have talked about this before.

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When we talked about Nemona, way back when. I don't think that conversation made it into the episode,

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but we did talk about Popeye, the non-binary icon, and I was like, I've never heard this before.

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Yeah, I think what really brought this to be a conversation everybody online was having was

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because whoever was running the official Popeye Twitter account said something about being amphibious

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and then pointed out comics where Popeye is saying that he's neither male or female because he's

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amphibious or something like that, or not neither male or both male and female. I'm butchering what

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the quote is. There was like a quote where he is hanging on to sweepy and he's like, I can be both

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the mother and the father. Oh yes, that's what it is. There's a lot of people who would argue that

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Bugs Bunny is gender fluid or gender non-conforming and it seems to be that any official Popeye source

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that gets asked about this says absolutely Popeye's gender non-conforming. So, and I love that this

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sequence is in the movie and the way the sequences played out is yes, there's humor in the drag

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performance but not in a sense of like, it's funny because this is unnatural. It's more just like

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Popeye is fully in it and it makes you as an audience like enjoy it more because like Popeye says that

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his name is Poppy while he's you know still putting on the performance and the high-pitched voice

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there's a button at the end of the scene after they escape where the head pirate has like a tyranness

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sign is like I'll always miss you Poppy and it's like okay at this point the head pirate has seen

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all of Popeye's outfit come off and knows that this is not who he was presenting to be necessarily at first

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and yet is still in love with Popeye this is beautiful this is some beautiful stuff happening here

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that reminds me of a song it's this perspective of this guy who his best friend does a drag show

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through the drag show he falls in love with his best friend's drag persona and it's like I'm in

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love with Darryl and drag or something like that I have to look up the song but like that kind of

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reminds me of that all right so they escape from the island they escape onto the ship

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these sky pirates in their planes continue to chase them Popeye in a panic ask all of what they

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should do and she is out of ideas but she admires Popeye for his ability to get out of pinch and she

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says that this is him doing his Popeye things and this makes him one of a kind and that's what makes

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him great they plunge towards the sea but before they hit the water they enter the mouth of a great

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whale the pirates are perplexed and the sea hag and her ships are approaching the three are

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safe inside the whale's mouth now remember that the sea creatures are friendly to Popeye the whale

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lets them out of their mouth Popeye yes all of if she can hold on to the ring but incidentally gives

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it to her in a way that looks like he's proposing realizing the mistake he reprisitions and just

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hands her the ring this was a great scene of like all the sea creatures all popping out and everybody

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is so excited for this beautiful moment and they're like oh all of it midst that she lied and all she

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wanted to do was keep going on an adventure Popeye is glad that she stayed the sea hag confronts the

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sky pirates about the jewel which they hasn't intently admit that they don't have the goons of

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beat them up one pirate pipes up and tells the sea hag that the one-eyed man is headed to plunder

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island to find his father the trio has arrived at the heart of darkness the atmosphere is dark and

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spooky a mysterious single dark flamingo appears yells and summons the others suddenly the three are

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surrounded by blanket-minded evil flamingos they attack more cartoon antics happen to fend off the

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birds all of saves the day by posing yelling like a flamingo turns out she can speak flamingo and

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learns that the sea hag sent them to stop Popeye feel like this is maybe referring to like bubbles

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being able to talk to squirrels it might go back further than that but seeing this is gandy hard to

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off-skate and him working on powerful of girls i think that might be it Popeye is proud of all of

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and says that what she did was all of the the flamingos leave the red jewel glows and they are close

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Popeye spots the shark-shaped shipwreck they enter the abandon ship and sure enough

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they find pappy Popeye hugs his father he asks how he found him and Popeye says it was the jewel

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pappy asked to see the jewel and shoves it into his eye socket followed by a massive explosion

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poppy transforms into the maniacally laughing sea hag she states Popeye's father was a terrible

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person that abandoned him and stole her jewel jeep grabs the jewel the sea hag becomes immediately

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decrepit and falls into a watery pit the three escape on the ship but are pulled into a whirlpool

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but the ship's leg like abilities manage to help them escape that was something that i didn't

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really mention is that this ship the way that it operates is not like a normal ship there are things

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that like stick out of the boat so like there's these arms and legs that like come out or like

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there's these little levers that like make it even more cartoony it's a lot of fun Popeye is depressed

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all of tries to cheer him up in states that his father is still out there he's not convinced but

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just wants to go back to see haven to drop off olive because he doesn't have a father nor does he

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belong anywhere all of states that she doesn't feel like she belongs there either Popeye says that

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olive is the girl in the house on the hill that's who she is but olive takes offense to that

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he hands her the ring so that she can marry bluto we cut to bluto not doing anything

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when he spots Popeye's ship he yells for help Bluto jumps into the ship ready to beat up Popeye

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but olive stops him she tells him that they should get married bluto and olive are about to leave

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olive stays behind for a moment like she wants to tell something to Popeye but she leaves in silence

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bluto takes off in a ship and Popeye turns around in the ocean a broken heart forms from the waves

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olive is going through with the marriage we see olive alone and wedding dress

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staring at the jewel and looking sad she is following the footsteps of her mother which makes her

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even more miserable her mother is appalled by what olive went through but olive states that it wasn't

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that bad an independent version of olive is seen in the mirror arguing for the real olive to break free

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at sea we see Popeye in his boat jeep is pleading with Popeye wondering why he didn't go after olive

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Popeye says that she's better off without him jeep wears olive's pirate hat which

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angers him because it's olive's hat she's one of a kind and in a voice over we hear all the great things

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olive says about Popeye he decides to go back to sea haven to get olive but in the distance is an

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approaching sea hagg flying on a large condor she destroys this ship but the jewel is nowhere to

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be found she looks at the top of the hill at sea haven and like a beacon the jewel emanates

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that can be seen by the sea hagg she flies off Popeye meanwhile sinks into the sea the wedding is in

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progress being officiated by wimpy when olive is asked if she'll marry bludot she refuses

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seeing that this is not who she is she's an independent adventurous woman the sea hagg on her

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condor crashes the wedding literally bludot runs in fear and olive is captured by the talents of the

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condor the ring is pulled off of her finger and is thrown into the air meanwhile Popeye spots a

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can of spinach while still underwater he flashes back to all the moments when spinach saved his life

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he eats it and becomes supercharged he swims through the water like a torpedo

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bursts out of the water and saves olives from falling to her death Popeye apologizes to olive saying

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that she's more than just the girl in the house on the hill she interrupts when she remembers that

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the sea hagg still has the jewel she shoves the ruby into her eye socket and transforms back into

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her younger and more powerful self she and the goon's terrorized sea haven Popeye takes off like a rocket

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and hits her so hard she's launched into outer space on the ground the goons are about to attack

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olives parents but olives saves the day by fighting them off with a brick filled purse Popeye beats

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up the condor the goons close in on olive but Popeye swoops in and beats them up the sea hagg falls

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back to earth Popeye catches her and plugs the gem out of her eye she's decrepit again the crowd

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booze her but Popeye feels sorry for her Popeye gives her the jewel back knowing that it is truly hers

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and that without it she would die and a speech he says i am what i am and that's okay with me

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the sea hagg is inspired to do something nice and through her powers she releases Popeye's father

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from her prison pappy is not happy to see the sea hagg when released but stops as soon as he sees his

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son the sea hagg disappears in Popeye and pappy reunite while others around sea haven hugged their

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loved ones Popeye and pappy are joined by jeep olive and an unwelcome bluto in the final shot of the film

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bluto's face is punched by Popeye's fist that's the end

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like i get why it's there and why they ended with him punching bluto but it did feel a little bit of

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a strange note to end on here everybody is hugging and wimpy hugs and hamburger it just felt

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little weird to have this like sweet everybody loves each other ending and then Popeye punches

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bluto in the face another great ending would to see bluto like clinging onto the house to be like

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it's mine can be dragged away from it yeah i don't know if i really have to ask this question but

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would you like to see this movie of course that's like the longest animatic i've seen you could

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absolutely get the energy from the mostly still images and i am so happy to have seen the animatic

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and to be familiar with this story yeah this is like would have been a home run of a project especially

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for animation fans and it really does feel like a shame that we didn't get it i really love seeing

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that short little clip you could definitely tell that gendy was gunning for like the rubber hose animation

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like specifically there's that moment where olive oil is being pulled through the window

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olive man we really missed out on a really great movie yeah it's unfortunate that this didn't happen

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especially because it would have been so different from CG stuff at the time and i'm really glad

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that animation CG animation specifically is starting to branch off a little bit more and try

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some things that haven't been done before and i really hope we get something that has the same

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zany feel as this i feel like we're at a point in the world of feature animation where we can start

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saying more and more things that take as big of a swing as this pop i clip does i will say that the

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latest i'm not really counting the sunday comic strips in this but the most modern animated pop i

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the latest representation we got was a web series which was titled pop i's island adventures it was

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produced by wild brain spark studios the show premiered in december of 2018 and it lasted until

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november of 2020 for king features that company they were actually behind the animated cuphead

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series which recently got canceled by netflix netflix canceled a show after only one or two seasons

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uh what so the only thing that we really could help for is that gandy tartekovsky teams up directly

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with king features and comes up with some sort of pop i property most likely it won't be a movie

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i mean his willhouse is television shows so if he somehow comes up with a pop i tv show

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that would be interesting and his destiny would finally be fulfilled

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always something i wonder whenever stuff from projects like this gets leaked my assumption is always

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that there's a crew member who really really liked this thing they worked on and is very sad that

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they don't get to keep working on this and so they're like you know what i'm just gonna put it out

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there and it's gonna generate a lot of buzz and maybe it's gonna get the powers that be to

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pick this up again if we generate enough good internet buzz maybe something will change

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whenever stuff like that happens it's just a good sign that the people working on this project were

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passionate and creative and excited and should continue to work on other things whether or not

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that main project gets made they should continue to go do awesome things

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all right well i guess it's gonna go ahead and wrap this up thank you everybody so much for listening

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whatever i'm papa the seal and i am what i am what i am what i am what i am and that's all

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that i am because i am what i am you got it i think so yeah