1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,340 ♪ Entertain, me, entertain me right now ♪ 2 00:00:04,340 --> 00:00:07,820 Hello and welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. 3 00:00:07,820 --> 00:00:11,720 I'm Shauna here as always with my fellow junkie. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,560 Olivia. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,120 And this week we have a very special guest. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,560 Daniel de Boulay is a producer, essayist and screenwriter 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,000 who served as an acquisitions executive at Sony Pictures 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,840 for several years. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,720 de Boulay is an alum of the Academy Awards Gold Program. 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,400 He is also an accomplished music producer and composer. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,520 He's currently working on an essay about James Bond 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,160 for the Splice. 13 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:39,060 Welcome, Daniel. 14 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:40,560 Thank you for being here. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,400 - Hello, hello, hello. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,320 It's good to be here. 17 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,160 I am definitely a Pop Culture Junkie. 18 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:45,800 So it's gonna be a good conversation. 19 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,640 - Yes. 20 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Where are you joining us from today? 21 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Where do you live? 22 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,720 - I live in Culver City, which is in Los Angeles 23 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,360 County, which is really, really hot. 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Man, it's like, I don't know if you guys can, 25 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,480 whoever can see the video here, 26 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,480 if you've ever seen the movie Cool Hand Luke. 27 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,800 - I look like I'm from the movie Cool Hand Luke. 28 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,800 (laughing) 29 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,480 There's like an episode of Cheers 30 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,040 where I think it's norm and wording 31 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,120 have this debate about what movie has the most sweating. 32 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,920 And at the end, they're like cool hand Luke, 33 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,080 lots of sweating and Cool Hand Luke. 34 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,440 - That's hilarious. 35 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,760 I probably would have said like an inappropriate film 36 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,640 has the most sweating, but Cool Hand Luke's a good choice. 37 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,480 - There you go. 38 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,320 - There you go. 39 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:30,160 - Yeah. 40 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,680 - Okay, I see what you mean. 41 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,520 - I saw it. 42 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,360 - I see what you mean. 43 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,520 I don't know if that's what you mean. 44 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,520 - I see what you mean. 45 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:36,520 - Oh gosh. 46 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,400 Well, of course you live in California being, you know, 47 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,320 the Mr. Movie Guy that you are, 48 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,080 that makes a lot of sense. 49 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,640 It's a close to Hollywood. 50 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,680 - I basically live eight minutes from where I used to work 51 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,520 at Sony. 52 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160 So it's like, I moved to, I guess, because of that, 53 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,000 but I don't work anymore. 54 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,920 So I guess it's like living just near your ex-girlfriend. 55 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,280 - Just drive by sometimes. 56 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,120 - Yeah. 57 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,640 - And you can just go to your own town. 58 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,080 So take us, I guess, to the beginning, Daniel, 59 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,520 how did you get into becoming, you know, 60 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,680 a movie producer and essayist, a screenwriter, 61 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,360 and what kind of started your journey 62 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,200 in pop culture and film? 63 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,120 - Probably by six great teacher, Mrs. Patch Kowski. 64 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,600 So like, she's gonna do this thing where, 65 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,360 if you wrote a book report about anything, 66 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,520 and so she was like, you got a book report about a movie, 67 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,360 about a TV show, about a song, whatever. 68 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 As long as you're writing, she would give you extra credit. 69 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,480 And so I guess I used to start, 70 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,560 I guess that's the first time someone 71 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,160 that would let me write about movies. 72 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,760 If I'm gonna be, ah, it's probably, it's Patch Kowski. 73 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,680 So it's probably her, I haven't thought about that in a minute. 74 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,520 It's probably her. 75 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,560 I mean, she got remarried, so now her name is Reed now. 76 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,360 - Well, if you're listening, 77 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,080 you started this man on his career path. 78 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,480 - Yeah, they're also listening after us. 79 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,320 - That's amazing. 80 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,080 - And walk us through kind of like, 81 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,080 what does an acquisition executive do for us, 82 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,880 a layman people? 83 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 - That's funny, 'cause I didn't know what acquisition was 84 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,760 when I graduated college. 85 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,600 I was put into the division because I had work, 86 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,040 I'd interned at a few production companies, 87 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,520 and then I interned for the Los Angeles Creek Film Festival. 88 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,400 I guess the HR department at Sony, 89 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,560 he was which was a guy at the time, Joe Camarena, 90 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,920 and I think he might have used to be a photographer too. 91 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,200 But he, I guess, saw that I was interested 92 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,080 in that side of the business, 93 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,080 and then he put me in the acquisitions division of studio. 94 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,120 But if people that don't know, 95 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,280 it should be like me when I was put into the division. 96 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,440 - Definitely me too. 97 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,560 (laughs) 98 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 - Yeah, 'cause anytime you do like an indie movie, 99 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,240 getting acquired by a studio, 100 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,120 then that has to go through the acquisitions division. 101 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,720 So essentially acquisitions are folks who are buying 102 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,640 independent movies on behalf of the studio. 103 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,240 It's kind of like the studios liaison 104 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,000 to the independent film. 105 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 - I feel like. 106 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,640 - It's not a good thing because more and more things 107 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,240 are independent these days because a lot of money 108 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,120 in development is just not there. 109 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,520 So I have a more interesting things 110 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,760 to really get developed internally at studios anymore. 111 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,400 So acquisitions has become pretty important as a late, 112 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,840 'cause a lot of packages are put together 113 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,480 by capital outside of the system, 114 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,160 and then acquisitions divisions will see it. 115 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Even with studios like, 116 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,800 I'll refer to 824 as a studio, technically, 117 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,600 you wouldn't call them one of the major studios, 118 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,880 but for this exercise I will. 119 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,200 - They're getting up there now. 120 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,400 - Exactly, exactly. 121 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,720 So, but even with a studio like 824, 122 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,640 when they want to distribute their movies internationally, 123 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,080 they also submit their titles to an acquisitions division, 124 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,840 like Sony or Universal or any of them, 125 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,760 because they'll want to take advantage 126 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,440 of the international machine that's so fun 127 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,280 that the C Studios have because they don't really have 128 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,200 their own international machine. 129 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,640 'Cause typically, and the business needs to be a lot better, 130 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 but typically, you know, you can make a movie 131 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,160 and then sell the rights all around the world 132 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,360 to different countries. 133 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,640 And people still do that very well. 134 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,000 Lionsgate, honestly, they do that very well, 135 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,120 where they'll make a movie like 100 games, 136 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,000 or even 100 games prequels, 137 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200 and then they'll take some of those territorial rights 138 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,000 and they'll pay for the movie by its tree selling 139 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,440 and all around the world. 140 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,440 But that business is a lot more troubled as of way. 141 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,840 So typically, as a studio like 824, 142 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,200 if they can, they'll make a deal with one distributor 143 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640 who has a wide international footprint. 144 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,080 And it saves them the hassle of having to do deals 145 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,520 all around the world, 'cause you have to close a deal 146 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,280 for every individual territory when you do do that. 147 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,840 And that can accumulate to be a larger amount, 148 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,480 and if you were to just, you know, 149 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,560 make a deal with one global distributor, 150 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,240 like if you were to do the work of doing it, 151 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,680 that number can be higher, but it is a lot of work. 152 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,600 And there are less buyers than ever. 153 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,720 And so a lot of times you see more global folks, 154 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,920 just taking all of the international for someone like 155 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,360 at 824, but it doesn't always happen that way. 156 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Usually, but it does happen. 157 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,400 - Yeah, that like conglomerate coming together. 158 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,080 - Yeah, exactly. 159 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,680 - So did you go to school for filmmaking? 160 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,920 Like what made you want to follow the path to become 161 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,880 like an acquisition executive? 162 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,400 - So I got accepted into film school 163 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,760 at the Lolli-O-N-R, at university. 164 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,760 And when I went there, we were like a top 10 film school, 165 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,440 and then when I left there were a top eight 166 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,160 and I think now they're top five. 167 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,640 - Nice. - 'Cause they told me, 168 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,080 "Okay, of course." 169 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,080 (laughing) 170 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,360 So that was good. 171 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 But when I was there, I went in as a film production major, 172 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,720 and then at the time, I told myself, 173 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120 like, "Oh, I'll be a film production major. 174 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,600 "I'll study marketing and I'll study screenwriting." 175 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 And then I couldn't do all three. 176 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,360 So then at some point what I did was, 177 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,880 I switched from production to screenwriting, 178 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,520 because I looked at this woman named Jeanette, 179 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,480 and Jeanette was always on set. 180 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,760 So I assumed that she was a production major, 181 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,320 because I had just always seen her on set. 182 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,320 And then as I get talking, 183 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,320 I was like, "No, I'm actually a screenwriting major, 184 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,000 "because I'm a screenwriting major. 185 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,160 "I just take it apart myself to be on set all the time." 186 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,800 And then I was like, "Huh, I want to be more like Jeanette." 187 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,520 So then I changed my major after having a conversation with her. 188 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:39,560 I changed to screenwriting, 189 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,480 and then I just kind of did what she did, 190 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,240 which was I was on set like every single week at in film school. 191 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,400 I was talking to Jeanette, joking with somebody. 192 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,120 I mean, one time we were on set, 193 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,120 and we were filming something like in front of like a building 194 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,240 where all the sorority girls were gonna get ready 195 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,720 to go to a party. 196 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,080 So we just see like all these trap hoys and sorority girls, 197 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,440 like lying up, getting ready to get drunk. 198 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,200 And we're just looking at them and we're like, 199 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,080 "We did not spend college having fun, 200 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,200 "but we did not do that." 201 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,560 I have so many memories of spending my weekends in film school, 202 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,440 like in downtown LA, carrying combo stance. 203 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,720 For those who don't know, 204 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,520 the combo stand is like a very heavy, 205 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 light holder. 206 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,400 I guess that's a very work way of simplifying it. 207 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,320 Like the lights in film are heavy. 208 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,120 So you'll have very heavy things to hold. 209 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,360 I was just doing manual labor. 210 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,040 - Yeah, I'm pretty much a pro artist. 211 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,520 - For free, yeah, for free. 212 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,600 I was sending a loan to do it. 213 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,280 When you're on set, it's like, you know, 214 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,920 a person's thesis, they only have three days to do it. 215 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,520 So they don't have enough time and it's 12 hour days. 216 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,920 And you know that and you kept, 217 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,280 yeah, so I was like, we was doing 36 hours on the weekends. 218 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,160 So basically a full time job in a three days 219 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,480 and then going back to class. 220 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,960 So I was like, man, I have a few might have had a lot more fun with me. 221 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,800 But, yeah. 222 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,000 - Well, hopefully you could have some party 223 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,440 since graduation then. 224 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,280 - Yeah. 225 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,440 (laughing) 226 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,440 - I find it a lot of business stuff. 227 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,280 I find one. 228 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,600 (laughing) 229 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,600 - And do you, 230 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,000 any film like really exciting film sets 231 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,040 that you remember being on? 232 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Like what were some of your highlights 233 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,960 or anything we might have heard of? 234 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,680 - Well, I mean, in film school, 235 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,280 I don't think I was on any sets that you've heard of, 236 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:26,360 but there was a, 237 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,640 my one of my first sets that was really cool was 238 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,200 one of the graduate students 239 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,360 made a short film about immigration. 240 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,680 And so he wanted to shoot some of it on a stage. 241 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,640 So we had to like build and recreate and paint 242 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,280 the inside of a U-Val 243 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,080 'cause that's like in the plot of his story. 244 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,400 There were like immigrants 245 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,680 that were being transported in the back of a U-Val. 246 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,440 So we built that on the stage, 247 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,320 then he matched it with like another U-Val 248 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,240 that he just like rented for a day. 249 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,520 And that was a cool project. 250 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,360 'Cause. 251 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,200 - Yeah. 252 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,040 - It was very creative. 253 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,680 It was very, it was difficult. 254 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:05,200 Like I spent a lot of time like doing production, 255 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,600 like at least helping people doing production art. 256 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,080 I said, and I kind of like, 257 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,800 they're like, there are two things that are really important 258 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,320 in the frame to make something look high quality. 259 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,560 It's the production design of course, 260 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,560 but also people, people take it, 261 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:23,200 they do, you sometimes take for granted 262 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,240 how it's like filling people in a frame 263 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,880 who will make something look big. 264 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,400 So yeah, yeah, for some interesting sense. 265 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,040 I'm don't know how that was on a set of something called, 266 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,480 I think it was called American Ninja Warrior, 267 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,960 which is like a rock show. 268 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:37,800 - Yeah. 269 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,120 - I love American Ninja Warrior. 270 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,440 - I love American Ninja Warrior. 271 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,920 - It was like something with the rock. 272 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,920 Yeah, I remember that. 273 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,360 And I remember like, 274 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,320 I remember being a TA or something like that. 275 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,920 They'd be shouting like the middle of a parking lot 276 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,040 in a row in a day. 277 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,800 I remember in my head thinking like, 278 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,680 on TV this looks like it's like a whole arena. 279 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,160 And like, it looks like it's like this huge thing, 280 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,000 but they wouldn't do that. 281 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Oh, it's just a parking lot. 282 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,280 (laughing) 283 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,920 - The magic of Hollywood. 284 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,240 - Yeah, it looks so much bigger than the TV. 285 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:06,400 - TV magic. 286 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,040 That's amazing. 287 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,360 That's really really cool. 288 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,560 And how did you ultimately start transitioning into SAS? 289 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:17,440 And what was kind of that evolution in your career? 290 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,640 - So after I left so many, 291 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,240 one of the things that I, 292 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,040 after the Sony from being a buyer, 293 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,360 traditionally being a producer, 294 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,240 so now I got to spend more time 295 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,560 just focusing on the things that I cared about. 296 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,160 So I produced a movie last year 297 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,240 with Justin Long, One More It's That's In Close Production. 298 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,400 - Oh, awesome. 299 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,440 - And then one of the things about that journey 300 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,120 was it's a comedy film. 301 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,680 And one of the reasons that the producer brought me 302 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:43,680 onto the project thought, 303 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,000 she was like, you're gonna be perfect for this. 304 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,600 Is that I am low-key obsessed with comedy. 305 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,880 And one of the habits that I started 306 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,840 when I left Sony was going to open mics 307 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,080 with real comedians and just doing them. 308 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,440 I don't think I'm a real comedian like them 309 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,880 'cause there's like two aspects to comedy. 310 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:02,960 There's writing the joke, 311 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,400 which I think maybe I can do. 312 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,960 But then there's like performing the joke, 313 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,520 which I'm like, I don't know. 314 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,040 (laughing) 315 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,160 I've done a few shows. 316 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,160 I've done like a some like, 317 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,160 bring your shows and I'm like, 318 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,080 I don't think this is my craft. 319 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,120 And when you're there with like a comedian 320 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,320 who's like a theater type kid who loves to perform, 321 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,160 then you do gotta feel like, 322 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,040 oh this guy, this guy, this guy. 323 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,920 But one of the things that happened in doing that is 324 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,600 I just started to get in the habit of writing more 325 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,480 and which is what I really wanted to do. 326 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,720 I remember I was playing up cat, 327 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,360 filling gas in the tank when you're like, 328 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,360 it's just go to the conversation to just do this. 329 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,840 I always wanted to do it. 330 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,760 And then I love going to a comic that I'm using this. 331 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,880 It's like, I almost cheated like, 332 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,720 the way other people treat AA means, sometimes I'm going too much, 333 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,960 I'm like, I have to go to a meeting, 334 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,120 I have to go to a open light and get something off my chest. 335 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 And I've also noticed that sometimes there've been things 336 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,880 that I've never been able to talk about, 337 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,440 even some dark things in life, 338 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,200 but then I'll be like, 339 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,800 now let me try it on stage. 340 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,240 And then this app also noticed that it's also good 341 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,600 for a moment for like, 342 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,320 if there is anything that I'm still like, 343 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,880 he having joked about that, honestly, 344 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,280 it's 'cause I'm too nervous. 345 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,160 And it's also like a kind of thing for myself, 346 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,840 it's like, you probably still work there. 347 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,400 'Cause it's like, you should, in my theory is life, 348 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,640 and maybe this is everyone's theory, 349 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,760 but in my theory is like, 350 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,000 you should be able to joke about literally anything. 351 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,840 - Yeah. 352 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,960 - And it should roll off of you. 353 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,200 And she can't do that, then you're in active pain. 354 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,720 That's why I call it a real life. 355 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:32,560 (laughing) 356 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:33,680 - I like that, I like that. 357 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,520 - You know, like, and it may not be the same 358 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,000 for everybody else. 359 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,040 - No, Olivia and I make a lot of dark jokes 360 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,640 on the podcast to work your ass, 361 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,480 - Yeah, trombas. 362 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,160 - Yeah, that's like, that's how you know, 363 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,800 and like, we have the two to what I love about, 364 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,480 when you go to the open mics is, 365 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,360 sometimes you'll joke about something that was bothering you a lot, 366 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,520 but then it doesn't resonate with anyone in the room, 367 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,360 which is humbling, 368 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,960 'cause then you're like, oh, literally nobody cares. 369 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:57,800 (laughing) 370 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,640 Or someone after you, like, I know one time, 371 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,720 I remember I was like complaining about something to suit. 372 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,600 And then the guy went on after me, 373 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,640 was like, what are you complaining about? 374 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,120 You're a film producer, like, 375 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,440 "Dude, I'll be on my lunch break. 376 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,600 I work at Target." 377 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,320 And his set was hilarious. 378 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,160 It was really good. 379 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,880 - I remember it was like, yeah, 380 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,480 like I'm probably in my head, that's what it was. 381 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,640 - But it's perspective. 382 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,480 - Yeah, exactly. 383 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,600 - Yeah, I love that. 384 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,720 So writing has been an outpouring of emotion for you. 385 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,640 - Yeah, I think it's like, 386 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,480 when you're starring in comedy, 387 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,280 it's a mixture of your writing, 388 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,120 it could eventually not say what there's rules, 389 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,640 but then there's also kind of like, 390 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,200 it's like a puzzle piece, 391 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,360 'cause you're trying to like get to a joke, 392 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,600 but also you have to tell us for you, 393 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,280 'cause like, and the story should be entertained, 394 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,760 even if there were no jokes. 395 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:44,720 So even if you didn't laugh, 396 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,120 I think you should kind of still be able to like, 397 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,440 I don't know what I enjoy it. 398 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,800 So I started doing that. 399 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,760 And once I started doing that, 400 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,360 I just kind of had to write it more. 401 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,600 And then I was like, well, 402 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,120 I don't know if I really want only right-spirit blade sign 403 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 to sometimes right-street blades of my own. 404 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,200 But I was like, there's some, 405 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,800 there's some like topics that I just like to write essays for. 406 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,520 And then I started reading, 407 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,800 and I think also when I was at Sony, 408 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,400 there was a movie, the division made it called Downtown Owl, 409 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,680 which is an adaptation of a novel that Chuck Clawsterry wrote. 410 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,000 And Chuck Clawsterry has become one of my favorite writers. 411 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,840 I think when they created that movie, 412 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,280 based on his book, 413 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,840 King King back up in my, 414 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,840 I guess just like my radar. 415 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,600 And so I've been reading a lot of his stuff lately, 416 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,120 and I like the way he writes, 417 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,440 he disparates himself as a generalist. 418 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,760 So sometimes he'll write these, 419 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,800 not sometimes. 420 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,160 So what he'll do is he'll write these really interesting pop 421 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,200 cultural essays. 422 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,680 And there'll be about all sorts of things. 423 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,720 There'll be about football, 424 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,480 it'll be about why Nerfana decided to make Inuita Rwanda, 425 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,680 an album, it'll be about Kirk Vandes in authentic. 426 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:53,800 - Yeah. - It'll be, 427 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,920 it's just like random, different things. 428 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,480 - Unbound. - Unbound, right. 429 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,080 - Love it. - And like every now and then 430 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,400 it'll be something like profound 431 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,280 and he got there, you do using something 432 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,680 go better or get there. 433 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,520 - And I love that. 434 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,920 I also need to go to something smart 435 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,680 and apply it to something a little bit. 436 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,960 And he just didn't take, 437 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,200 it's like a cool, Jeff's acquisition. 438 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,760 - Yeah, that's awesome. 439 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:14,600 Now I love that. 440 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Does that kind of carry over, 441 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,920 you're a music producer, your composer, 442 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,560 like when you're creating music too? 443 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,840 - Yeah, I definitely think so, 444 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,800 because I think that I, a product of internet 445 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,800 and millennial, a lot of the art that I like know about 446 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,960 is from Wikipedia. 447 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,800 I just do a guy like, you know, go out with me, 448 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,800 and he's going to do a lot of, 449 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,560 do you know I find you still put 450 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,760 the Wikipedia game in college? 451 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,080 I'm also a little bit nervous. 452 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Was I still doing, like, 453 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,760 60 degrees of separation with Wikipedia? 454 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:42,760 - Oh yeah. 455 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:43,600 - I love that. 456 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 - I do, I get in so many Wikipedia holes. 457 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,480 I'll just be laying there in bed. 458 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 And I'm like, why did I read the entire plot 459 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,400 of this movie I've never seen? 460 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,400 (laughing) 461 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,720 - And I think one of the things about that 462 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,000 where it does is maybe like, if someone, 463 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,320 I got my thinking always, 464 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 I'm like, maybe when my dad heard it, 465 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,800 he didn't hear all the context. 466 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,280 He just heard the music. 467 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,920 But now when, you know, I read about 468 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Patty Smith's forces, 469 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,400 by the time I'm done with the Wikipedia album, 470 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,320 I have no problem more about the album. 471 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,960 Some people listen to the album for decades. 472 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,960 (laughing) 473 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,280 So then, and then you like, 474 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,560 we'll dive into the album. 475 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,640 And then, and like, I remember like, 476 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,000 what this experience looks like in real life, 477 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,240 like I never one time, 478 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,800 I was writing a list of like, best total rock albums, 479 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,440 which is like a term that only the music critic 480 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,400 is applying to music after the fact, right? 481 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,240 And then, and then, and then I think one time, 482 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,240 I said, "Protol," I used the phrase "Protol Punk" 483 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,000 'cause sometimes someone might work 484 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,280 instead of like, Patty Smith to be "Protol Punk" 485 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,520 not necessarily, kind of, whatever. 486 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,920 But I wrote something like that on the Instagram, 487 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,000 and they're like, "Older person in group with Patty." 488 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,400 So it was like, "What's?" 489 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,240 (laughing) 490 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,080 What is this phrase? 491 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,720 I never heard of this in my life. 492 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,800 - You made that up. 493 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,280 - Yeah, correct, correct. 494 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,480 So it's like, I think that's interesting. 495 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,640 But like, so I think, not because I've written these essays, 496 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,240 I kind of think about like, well, 497 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,000 it definitely happened in intellectualized approach to art. 498 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,840 So I think it's like, it's interesting, 499 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,280 'cause George Lucas is releasing this museum 500 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,560 out here called the museum, 501 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,680 that I remember, but he, he had said like, 502 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,360 well, I want to call it a museum for orphanage art, 503 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:26,000 as it's like, you know, people kind of looked down upon 504 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,240 where art is viewed, so I want to give it a museum 505 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,320 just for that. 506 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,600 - So I like that. 507 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,320 - Yeah, it's an interesting idea, but I'm wondering, 508 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,720 I'm like, well, that's like a definitely generational thing, 509 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,960 because I'm like, we've grown up consuming all sorts 510 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,000 of pretentious analysis of very low-brow art. 511 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,400 Like, I can go on YouTube and watch like a three hour dive 512 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,440 into the Star Wars World War, 513 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,960 and the person who made it is like a master's 514 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,320 educated person who put the museum in the USA. 515 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,840 So I'm like, I'm wondering, I'm like, 516 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,560 I feel like we have a more analytical approach 517 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,000 to even low-brow art than like, 518 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,240 we did in the past. 519 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,240 So I guess it's like, now I feel like, 520 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,880 it's not so uncommon to get like an essay, 521 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,520 it's like a truck pass journey. 522 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,840 So I've been like, what I like writing about in this is those 523 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,480 that, so right now, I've started getting happy 524 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,480 of trying to write more about the business of entertainment too, 525 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,440 and using LinkedIn as a way to kind of, 526 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,960 because my network includes a lot of executions 527 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,560 and like, pretty soon, kind of talking about it, 528 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,760 you and I say, they're, and I've found it to be 529 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,640 a very high experience. 530 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,240 You learn a lot, and sometimes there's a phrase 531 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,560 that Chris never gets into, which is, 532 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,000 sometimes you don't know what you believe 533 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,640 until you write it down. 534 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,440 Like, you kind of think you believe in certain things, 535 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,840 and you think you have a certain process or something, 536 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,880 but then sometimes when you write an essay, 537 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520 you're like, do I actually play this? 538 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,880 Or when you're weighing your thoughts out, 539 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,120 you're like, is this actually gonna, 540 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,880 like I want to, at LA La Mena, 541 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,240 you talk about the Jesuit retreat sometimes. 542 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,200 So, 'cause it's like the Jesuit's one in the university. 543 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,040 - Yeah. 544 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,120 - So like, you talk Augustine, and so, 545 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,040 saying Augustine, I was like, 546 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,200 we have a way to argue, it's where it's, 547 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,800 okay, we're gonna say this, we're gonna say this, 548 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,200 we're gonna say this, and because we said all this, 549 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,200 actually the conclusions this. 550 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,440 I think that, and the exercise of forcing yourself 551 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,960 to do that and writing, I think clarifies you thinking. 552 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,320 So, I like that. 553 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,960 I think it was, oh gosh, you want to talk a low-brow. 554 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,440 Matt Stone or Trey Parker. 555 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,280 - There you go. 556 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,360 - That was like, right, when you're creating an episode, 557 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,520 like when they're creating an episode of South Park, 558 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,680 they want their process to go, this happens, 559 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,560 and therefore this happens, and therefore this happens. 560 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,400 - Yes. 561 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,080 - Instead of, you know, sometimes you watch a movie, 562 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,200 and you're like, instead of the therefore they do and. 563 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,040 And this happens, and this happens, and this happens, 564 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,160 and there's no, you know, conclusion, 565 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,320 it doesn't make sense, it has to be a therefore, 566 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 this leads to this, therefore this happens, 567 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,600 therefore that happens. 568 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,600 So, I can see that. 569 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,440 - That's a genius. 570 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,280 It's true, right? 571 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,120 You've got to be blessed at the gate. 572 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,840 That's like, that's a privilege. 573 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,960 - Yeah, I think about that all the time 574 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,720 when I watch films and you know, even television shows, 575 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,400 I'm like, are they just throwing things at the wall 576 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,320 and then and then, or is it, therefore, and therefore? 577 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,680 - Every now and then, and then will be an interesting movie, 578 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,760 every now and then, but it's like, it's not, 579 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,280 it's not awesome, but every now and then. 580 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,320 - Yeah, if it's like absurdist comedy, 581 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,840 it's just like, and then they do this, 582 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,320 and then they go there. 583 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,320 - Yeah, and then, and then, and then, yeah. 584 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,200 - What is the Academy Awards Gold Program, 585 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,400 and how does one become a member? 586 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,680 - So, you can apply to it. 587 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,280 I sort of applied to it. 588 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,880 So, when I was made an internet tummy, 589 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,360 it kind of went in this program 590 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:48,240 so that I was concurrently, 591 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,360 so I was an internet sony, 592 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,080 and that I was also placed into this program. 593 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,800 So, with the Academy Awards data was, 594 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,280 they did this like in the wave 595 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,480 when they were diversifying their body, 596 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,480 they diversified the voting numbers, 597 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,840 and then they created like a workforce pipeline 598 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,120 with the intention of helping to diversify the industry. 599 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,200 And one of the ways that they did that 600 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,560 were they took a ton of the interns 601 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,360 who were interning at different companies 602 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,040 all around the industry, 603 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,360 and while they were interning at those respective companies, 604 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,680 they were then meeting every week. 605 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,520 Yeah, a few times a week for eight weeks 606 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 at the Academy's building, 607 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,520 and that was a way of speeding up the networking process 608 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,440 of different folks in the industry. 609 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,240 And I'd say that like, 610 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,920 I don't know how, I mean, 611 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,680 I don't know how easy it is to get into the program, 612 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,560 they kind of put me into the program, 613 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,480 and I was like, okay, cool, 614 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,320 because it was like, when I was doing it, 615 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,040 it was like the second, 616 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,760 the third year that they were doing it, 617 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,720 it was a really good program 618 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,560 'cause they fed us every time, what, 619 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,400 which was great. 620 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,240 (laughing) 621 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,240 - Love it. 622 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,440 - Yeah, 'cause you were leaving like one internship 623 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,880 at six, going to traffic, 624 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,160 and you get there and you're starving, 625 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,480 and we were like, oh, thank God. 626 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,680 (laughing) 627 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,960 I know it was a really good program. 628 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,800 It goes on. 629 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,760 You got to like, 630 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,080 they got to show you different parts of the business, 631 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,400 different folks on the business 632 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,400 will come and lecture to you. 633 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,440 So like, you know, those are guys from Disky Day Accounting, 634 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,320 and you like, 635 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,360 open up movie magic budgeting and stuff. 636 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,640 This is how it was put. 637 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,480 You got, so it was like really hands on, 638 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,800 and also the relationships that you build 639 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,000 with that program. 640 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,840 They're really great. 641 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,560 And the other thing too is that because 642 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,920 there's a new class of a character in gold interns every year, 643 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,720 it's a very easy way for someone 644 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,680 like I was class at turn like day. 645 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,520 I could reach out to someone from 18 class 646 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,520 or one of the classes asked me, 647 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320 "Hey, we're both in California, go." 648 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,280 And for the most part, they want to talk to you 649 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,640 'cause it kind of like, you're similar folks. 650 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,080 So it was like, 651 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,720 it's an underrated, but very ingenious thing 652 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,160 that we had in the academy put together, 653 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,040 and it was all managed by the sky. 654 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,200 I kept on only saying, 655 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,640 "You said a very sweet white man named Randy." 656 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,920 And he was really curious about it. 657 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,680 He gets a great emotional talking about it. 658 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,760 I haven't seen what he does. 659 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,720 'Cause it's a really good program. 660 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,560 - That's amazing. 661 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,640 Did you ever get to go to the Academy Awards? 662 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,480 - Not yet. 663 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,160 Some of the people who have been in the program, 664 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,520 they've gotten to hand out auskars and things like that 665 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,520 'cause did you get opportunities to do that 666 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,080 with the program? 667 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,240 You have not got yet constantly counted with. 668 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,360 It's on bucket list. 669 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,200 I guess I gotta get not. 670 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,040 - I'm done. 671 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,560 - Yeah. 672 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,400 - Awesome. 673 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,080 We are gonna take a quick break, 674 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,120 and then we wanna dive in with you about this James Bond essay 675 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:27,960 that you're working on. 676 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,800 - Oh yes. 677 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,280 - So, yeah, we will do that right after the break. 678 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,040 (dramatic music) 679 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,840 And we are back at the Pop Culture Junkie podcast 680 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,880 with our special guest, Daniel D. Boulay. 681 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,600 You are currently writing a essay about James Bond 682 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,120 for the Splice. 683 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,280 Tell us about that as much as you can. 684 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,360 - Well, this very thing is, so like, 685 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,360 I've been writing for him, 686 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,840 I guess it's like writing for the editor, 687 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,220 a man by name, but Jimmy, 688 00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:00,640 of the Splice, which is like a UK based, 689 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,680 but we use publications. 690 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 And so I wrote a review for him of a leader 691 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,200 on Jeekel's album. 692 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,800 He really liked that. 693 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160 And with leader on you, 694 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,640 this POT, he liked it too, 'cause I really loved it. 695 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,880 So then, and my view of it is very pretentious. 696 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,120 So I'm, I hope she's still using it. 697 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,280 (laughing) 698 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,720 So then, I mean, she made it easy with the cure. 699 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,600 But like, after I did that, 700 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 he was like, "Oh, you should do one on James Bond." 701 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,680 Because he had seen something I written about, 702 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,000 spy movies that aren't Mike James Bond. 703 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,720 And the funny thing is that I was saying, 704 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,960 it's like he picked up on an argument 705 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,840 that we wasn't making. 706 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080 So then, like, 'cause he was like, 707 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,800 "Oh, you're comparing spy fiction to like high literature." 708 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,880 But I really wasn't comparing James Bond to Highwood, 709 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,280 so I was comparing it like, 710 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,320 and there's spy movies, "Ti-Low-Witcher." 711 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,440 And I was, at the time, saying that James Bond 712 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,200 is low literature. 713 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,640 It's a joke. 714 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960 And so, I wrote a draft of it 715 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,640 that more reflected what I think is James Bond. 716 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,960 So now, I have to send, 717 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,480 I have to still finish this draft, 718 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,800 'cause they have to finish, 719 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,800 I have to finish doing the version 720 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,640 that he wants to read. 721 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,440 'Cause he was like, "I don't want my article, 722 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,320 "my public fiction to be so political." 723 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,800 But in my view of James Bond-- 724 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,840 - Well, shit. 725 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,560 Yeah, share it on the pop culture drug. 726 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,400 - Yeah, that's it. 727 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,240 We love politics here. 728 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,080 - We love politics here. 729 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,920 - We love politics here. 730 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,040 - I know, he's, so like, in my, 731 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:29,880 and that's what I would say. 732 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,320 So I was like, in my view of James Bond, 733 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,680 he's like, proper gambler. 734 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,120 He's political pro gambler. 735 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:34,960 - Okay. 736 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,800 - Yeah. 737 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,640 - 'Cause there's a few things about the history of James Bond. 738 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,920 One is, so he and funny, he was a spy, 739 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,640 that he was a journalist. 740 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240 He wasn't better than Turkey at one point. 741 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,680 So sometimes, and one of the things that he does 742 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840 in some of his novels is he'll, 743 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,720 he'll like, regurgitate political talking points 744 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,120 that he knows are wrong. 745 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:59,840 So like, in, from Russia with love, 746 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,920 in the novel itself, 747 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,720 James Bond says something casually 748 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,880 about like how the communist 749 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000 caused all these riots in Turkey. 750 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 But we know that that's not what happened. 751 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,160 That's necessary. 752 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,440 So it's like, the one thing that influenced me is, 753 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800 it's like, he is a, he is a colonizer. 754 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,640 Like that was his job. 755 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,120 Like he was a British spy. 756 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,320 So there's like, yeah. 757 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000 It's like, it's not even like, 758 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,280 all like putting a, 759 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040 a U from this and one putting like a negative bias there. 760 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Like, that's what his job was. 761 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,680 So there's that. 762 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,440 The other thing is, is that he was a journalist. 763 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,800 So he knew how to convey these ideas 764 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,040 to like the public, 765 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,280 in a very entertaining way. 766 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,760 But he sort of, I think he's sort of like a frog 767 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,240 because he was educated at some of the world's 768 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,480 best universities. 769 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,880 I appreciate his even educated. 770 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,080 So for those who don't know, 771 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,840 like if you're, if you're a British in college school, 772 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,520 even there are certain schools, 773 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,400 a kind of reinforced class. 774 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,640 So if he was going to them, 775 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,880 he was learning the reclassic to all these things. 776 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,800 But then when he came down to writing 777 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,160 the James Bond novels, 778 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,520 the James Bond novels are really for an audience. 779 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,920 So if we were, 780 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,560 if we were to contemporaries them, 781 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320 they would be Brexit voters. 782 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,840 And like, none of those are cool that, 783 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,680 in my research, 784 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720 at Christopher Hitch was right about James Bond once. 785 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,960 He was like, 786 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,760 James Bond just expresses massive global penis envy. 787 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960 He's like, that's what James Bond is. 788 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,960 It's like, you have the British empire is basically irrelevant. 789 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,680 And so he's invented this propaganda figure 790 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,840 of this guy going around the world. 791 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,720 He's the most important person in every room, 792 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,280 all the little one hand, 793 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320 every man lost a B.M. 794 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,360 And it's just like, it's all BS. 795 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000 And the irony of all this is, 796 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,920 all of this is made with the idea of kind of 797 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,720 undermining America's glory and influence in the world. 798 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,200 So it's like, that's what James Bond is really kind of 799 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,560 speaking towards. 800 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,920 So now he's owned by Amazon. 801 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,400 That's like the most American thing you can have. 802 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Yeah, it's a question. 803 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Kind of ironic there. 804 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,960 When they make the next movies, 805 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600 do you think they're going to make it more sympathetic 806 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,880 to American leanings? 807 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560 Well, what I would argue is that 808 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,320 there's been this process between the novels 809 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,280 and the movies where now the movies are 810 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360 district in the books in a lot of ways. 811 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,280 So because as James Bond is more of business 812 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,120 than anything else. 813 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,240 So there's a time for us to make 814 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,080 Roberto Echo. 815 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,280 I think it's made. 816 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,760 So if he kind of said that James Bond is less of a character 817 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,560 and we'll just say, "How are we going?" 818 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,840 And what he says is, 819 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920 James Bond is a shoes of oppositions. 820 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,600 There's Bond versus Emmy, which is his boss. 821 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,320 There's Bond versus the villain. 822 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,600 There's the idea of duty versus comfort, 823 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,120 service versus luxury. 824 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,560 And he's like, "That's it." 825 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,320 He's like, "Nobody watches a James Bond movie 826 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,080 expecting a surprise. 827 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,880 They kind of watch it like they're watching 828 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 a basketball movie where the score is besides the point. 829 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,880 There's been during watching the sport of this set." 830 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,160 And so there's that aspect to James Bond. 831 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,720 And one of the things that Roberto Echo says is, 832 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080 "Any time you can identify something without its creator, 833 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,640 that's when something becomes an algorithm, 834 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,120 that's when it becomes an asset." 835 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,600 So after you're in for like, "Dies, 836 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560 we're able to kind of recreate this James Bond experience 837 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,560 without, 'cause it's really like a hollow creation 838 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,080 that he created." 839 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320 'Cause one of the things that happens is, 840 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,120 so if in the novel, 841 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,760 she's writing these books for essentially a racist 842 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,280 and sexist misogynistic on audience. 843 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,600 - Yeah. 844 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200 - And I think also in my view of James Bond, 845 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240 you can't really separate the misogyny 846 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,760 from the colonizing. 847 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,320 I think they go hand-to-hand. 848 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,080 - Yeah, 100%. 849 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,160 - Like, 'cause he's literally just going around the world 850 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,920 finding it's eye-convenated to look. 851 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400 And so it's like a heart to separate it. 852 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,880 Like even if you wanted to, 853 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,720 like it's kind of like, 854 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,040 I have to turn my brain off to the unsupervised it. 855 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,880 - I totally agree. 856 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,480 I'll watch James Bond films. 857 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,800 I've seen all of the Daniel Craig films, 858 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,560 a few of the Pierce Bros, and then ones. 859 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,520 You know, I'm a millennial too. 860 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,360 - Yeah. 861 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360 - And it's so glaring that he, 862 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,840 you know, the wealth and the status is very important. 863 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,120 He's always a well-dressed, glamorous white man, 864 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,960 who like you said, 865 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,840 everyone in the room wants to be. 866 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,240 And that he just uses and disposes women so quickly. 867 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,480 Like, I was laughing at my husband and like, 868 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,320 you know, no one's life is shorter than that 869 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,560 of someone James Bond has sex with. 870 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Like, he sleeps with you. 871 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,320 You are gonna die in the next 15 minutes. 872 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,840 Or you'll die by the end of the movie 873 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200 to set forth his emotional journey for the next film. 874 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,200 - 100%. 875 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640 And there's like, there's this interesting thing 876 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,640 with these movies. 877 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,440 So like, Daniel Craig's credit of all the actors 878 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,520 who played James Bond, he seems to be the one 879 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,320 who had the hardest time actually being James Bond. 880 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,760 Like, from the way he talks about it, 881 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,840 I'm sure like being being $100 million really helps. 882 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,560 (laughing) 883 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,240 And like, I'm sure that's why he kept doing it. 884 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,640 The way he would talk about, 885 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,280 it's so funny, like when you pay people 886 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 a lot of money, sometimes you get your bills, 887 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040 just how much they don't wanna do this thing. 888 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,880 - Yeah. 889 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,320 - Like if you, like if there's an interview 890 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640 that Charlie Rose gave with that George Lucas 891 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,560 gave of Charlie Rose, I think so as far as $4 billion. 892 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,960 And I don't know if I've seen a more unhappy rich person. 893 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080 He's just like, like, miserable. 894 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,920 - To see him. 895 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800 - And like, the same thing with Daniel Craig, 896 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,760 when he talks about James Bond, he'll be like, 897 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800 I tried to make it more funny. 898 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,400 He's like, I don't know, I tried to make it this. 899 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,400 He gives these interviews, 900 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,080 like I tried to do this. 901 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,640 You could tell he's really uncomfortable 902 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680 with the whole thing. 903 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,520 - Yeah. 904 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,320 - Because you have this kind of about like the Americanism 905 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,160 of it all. 906 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,040 So it's like, they have Americanized James Bond 907 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,480 in the sense that like, we stripped away all the things 908 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,080 that made the Brexit Grover kind of into James Bond 909 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,320 to begin with. 910 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,040 So then now what you're really left with 911 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,240 is just this idea of like a guy who likes good service, 912 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,240 luxury service. 913 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,040 And like, and then he's willing to do anything for the empire. 914 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,280 So it's kind of, we've, we've really stripped James Bond 915 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080 of what he met because, and I thought about the space 916 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,440 in the room, like when you have people 917 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,720 having conversations like, why can't a woman be James Bond? 918 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240 Why can't a minority be James Bond? 919 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440 That's how deep the brainwashing goes 920 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240 because if you're asking yourself, 921 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,320 like why can we diversify the propaganda 922 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,840 that we're receiving? 923 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,240 Then it's like, the propaganda is, 924 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,960 it's really working. 925 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160 There's like a, a Jew walking around, 926 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,320 I will use this to be honest, 927 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,400 and it was crazy. 928 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,480 But it's like, you're like a Jew walking around, 929 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,520 like not seeing Jeremy and then saying like, 930 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,440 why can't more black people be on the posters? 931 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Why can't we? 932 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,560 So true, Raleigh. 933 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,880 It's like, the idea is so ridiculous. 934 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,960 They're like, you really caught into this propaganda. 935 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,560 Yeah. 936 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,840 Why can't we diversify this product 937 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,960 that is literally rooted in racism and misogyny 938 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,720 and classism? 939 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,960 They'd be really cool if we could get a black woman in here. 940 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,800 Right. 941 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,640 Right. 942 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,480 It's like, you know, it's like, what are we asking? 943 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,160 Like, why would we want this? 944 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,120 And so, and one of the things I also think 945 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,720 that's weird about James Bond is he's different 946 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:32,800 from other franchise, 947 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000 and it's because I think James Bond is true, 948 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,480 like an heirloom. 949 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,720 Like for instance, my dad introduced me to James Bond. 950 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,160 And I think I have some vague idea 951 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,160 that one day I'll introduce my own son, James Bond. 952 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,160 Which is like, why? 953 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,160 I don't care. 954 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,800 But it's a man's man. 955 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,640 Yeah, right. 956 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,720 It's almost like you're passing some torch 957 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,200 of like masculine heritins, introducing your kid 958 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,040 to like certain things you grew up with. 959 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,000 And then do this with certain, like they unconsciously do this. 960 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,880 But I think James Bond is a really good example of that 961 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,800 because I don't think other actual franchisees 962 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,360 are really marketed that way. 963 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,600 Like, I don't necessarily think my dad, 964 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,560 like my dad may have shown you the mission 965 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520 and possible TV series because he's like, 966 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,360 oh, I grew up watching these. 967 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,160 But I feel like with James Bond because James Bond is them, 968 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,920 he's like recast like the Pope every so often. 969 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,640 It's kind of like this, like this tradition, 970 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,680 like you have it James Bond, I have my James Bond. 971 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,680 We have this together. 972 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,640 It's like this weird thing that they've done. 973 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,160 And it's so real because it's like in 2012, 974 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,680 when the Olympics were in London, 975 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360 they had like a whole thing with Queen 976 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,520 and Dan O'Kraight as James Bond. 977 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,280 We're at the Olympic Games together in front of the world. 978 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,080 Talk about political propaganda right there. 979 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,160 Doing anything for the great empire of England. 980 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,920 And the fact that like those two symbols were put together 981 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,000 for the world like that, it means that, you know, 982 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,800 it implies I don't want to make too much of a meaning out of it. 983 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 But I'm like, these two symbols are almost 984 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,960 of equal importance to this country 985 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,640 because they're both just symbols that are fictional. 986 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,720 Like the Queen and Dan O'Kraight have a real tower, 987 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,640 but she means a lot to these people. 988 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,480 Yeah. 989 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,480 To the point that they're like, well, we're both, 990 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,880 if you ask them to get those, I'm not going to keep it. 991 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,720 Yeah. 992 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,360 And I'm like, James Bond kind of, 993 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,800 if he shows that same role, 994 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,640 and it's just kind of as a, I'm a son. 995 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,560 So, no. 996 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,360 Yeah. 997 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,280 Well, and it's interesting because James Bond 998 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,720 has kind of started it in the 1960s as this propaganda 999 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,640 around like capitalism versus communism. 1000 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,400 And over time-- 1001 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,400 You mean the next of that, yeah. 1002 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,120 --throw up the years. 1003 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,520 Yeah, it's really moved through time based 1004 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,240 on these economic anxieties, right? 1005 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,040 And then now, in the later movies in the Daniel Krag movies, 1006 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,400 it's like data capitalism, like technological oligarchies 1007 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,560 and all of these things. 1008 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,560 And it's not become communism versus capitalism. 1009 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,600 It's like good capitalism versus bad capitalism. 1010 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Bad capitalism. 1011 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,440 Bad capitalism. 1012 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,440 Bad capitalism. 1013 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,800 And the Western state, like a James Bond control, 1014 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,680 the capitalism is the good one. 1015 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,440 But it's not really asking itself, is there any good form 1016 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,000 of that? 1017 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,240 And what does that really look like when this man is incredibly 1018 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,200 rich and he's funded by a state organization-- 1019 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,160 You literally come all this money. 1020 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,600 Like, he's come all full circle around. 1021 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,040 And it's like, wait, this man is rich from a government? 1022 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,400 Are we back to communism? 1023 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,800 Yeah. 1024 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,280 It's true. 1025 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,920 And the whole logic, what makes a James Bond villain 1026 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,760 is usually there are associated with communists. 1027 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,400 They're a feminine/honal sexual. 1028 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,960 Or they have some type of visual, physical deformity. 1029 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,440 So they're disabled. 1030 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,240 So it's like, the best-- 1031 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:56,960 I think the best thing about villain is 1032 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,160 our real bar down in Skyfall. 1033 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,760 And he basically plays James Bond as a gay man. 1034 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600 I'd like to please you that character as a gay man. 1035 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,200 With a physical deformity. 1036 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,920 With a physical deformity, with his mouth and everything. 1037 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920 And then the cool thing about that movie-- 1038 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,320 and this is the thing about these movies-- 1039 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,280 the people making them know that the text is what our say it is. 1040 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,280 Because then what the writers are doing, 1041 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,920 they're trying to push the boundaries. 1042 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,120 Because John Logan is a gay man from what I understand. 1043 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,400 The guy who wrote the script for Skyfall, if he's not, 1044 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160 I apologize, but I appreciate it. 1045 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,520 And one of the things that he wrote in that version 1046 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,360 of the character is-- 1047 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,680 so Silvers are in S.D.A. because he flustered Bond. 1048 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,440 And he's like, we're up and he was so gone. 1049 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040 And then Daniel Craig counts as like, what makes you think 1050 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,600 this is my first time? 1051 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,600 And so-- 1052 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,120 [LAUGHS] 1053 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,120 And by him saying that, they're basically saying, 1054 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,240 OK, we're going to remove this expectation 1055 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,840 you guys have of James Bond. 1056 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,240 Like, we're removing that, right? 1057 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,720 Because that's how he influnds version of James Bond. 1058 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,520 Yeah. 1059 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,080 And by doing that, too, because Silvers 1060 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,400 is supposed to be a mirror of Bond in that movie, because even-- 1061 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000 he like brings to T.C.A.L.S. and Mother, right? 1062 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600 So it's supposed to be like these weird sibling 1063 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:12,840 rivalry. 1064 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,120 He took a different path, but started at the same beginning. 1065 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,640 Yeah. 1066 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:16,960 Right. 1067 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,040 So these writers are trying to like, 1068 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,800 push the boundaries of what they can get away with in this text. 1069 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,920 And it happens a little bit every time. 1070 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,360 But I think what happens is one more you realize it, like, 1071 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,880 well, then why am I participating in this? 1072 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,560 You know, it's like once the point, it's not like Shakespeare. 1073 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,040 It's like, there's a reason to kind of keep participating 1074 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,400 when they keep changing the updating Shakespeare. 1075 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,480 I don't necessarily know if there is as profound a reason 1076 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,480 for us to keep participating in James Bond. 1077 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,480 Yeah. 1078 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,040 But we keep doing it. 1079 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,480 I know. 1080 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,840 And when they-- 1081 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,240 I remember that controversy when Daniel Craig's bond quits. 1082 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,840 And they give the 007 number to a black woman. 1083 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,320 Yes. 1084 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,160 And oh gosh, the headlines were 007. 1085 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960 It's a black woman now, right? 1086 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480 And just the uproar that caused. 1087 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,480 Right. 1088 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Yeah. 1089 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,480 And you watch the movie and it's like she got the code number. 1090 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480 Yeah. 1091 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,480 That was underrated. 1092 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480 That was pretty good. 1093 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,480 Because I think-- 1094 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,480 Yeah. 1095 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,480 That's right. 1096 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,480 I like it. 1097 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,480 That's the hard part about this. 1098 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,480 It pulls us in. 1099 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,480 Yeah. 1100 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,720 I would say that the thing is, is the writing of-- 1101 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,640 like Ian Flunny's not the world's best writer. 1102 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,400 And even his wife said that, she would make fun of this business. 1103 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,880 She loved being rich, but she would make fun of these clothes. 1104 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,640 She would be like-- 1105 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,280 like she would make fun of the fact that the characters 1106 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,640 named Monty Canny and Pussy Gollar-- 1107 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,520 she thought this was a bad tarot. 1108 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,000 Like her and then the near friends, their high society 1109 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,080 friends, they were like, this guy is like right 1110 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,560 to low grow literature. 1111 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,040 And he only taught the influnny. 1112 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,640 He would say, I don't consider James Bond to be like little 1113 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,960 Jill of the cap or L. So he kind of knew 1114 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,600 he was like making this product. 1115 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,240 And it's so-- he's just like speaking so much money. 1116 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,000 But I think one of the things that the movies have done 1117 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,040 is the movies have really elevated this character. 1118 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,000 Because in addition to making all these changes, 1119 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,440 where the massager is racism, massager is wrong for me. 1120 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,640 The other thing that they've done is they've massaged 1121 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,520 the classes of James Bond. 1122 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,680 Because James Bond is described to be a kind of eaten, 1123 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,560 educated commander or a commander bond. 1124 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,200 That's who he's supposed to be. 1125 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,240 But when you cast Sean Connery as James Bond, 1126 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,040 you're casting a working class colonized subject 1127 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,240 of the British Empire, which immediately 1128 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,400 changes the nature of that character. 1129 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,920 Because it's like you're selling an image of the rich 1130 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,920 to the world that isn't real because he is a working class man. 1131 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,880 So it's like a kind of class, transmutation is occurring. 1132 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,880 But then they kept doing that. 1133 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,240 Like when they cast Roger Moore, I'm 1134 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:01,880 pretty sure Roger and Moore and Timothy Dalton, 1135 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,160 they're like, well, sure, something of that nature. 1136 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,600 They are people who live on the margins of the British Empire. 1137 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,400 - British society. - Yeah. 1138 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,720 And the funny thing is that Ian's lonely 1139 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,200 because he's such a capitalist. 1140 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,080 When he saw that people love Sean Connery, 1141 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,720 he just kind of evolved the character 1142 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,040 through a time match with their scene and the movies. 1143 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,480 - Interesting. 1144 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,880 - So so many things happen. 1145 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,560 So by the time we're getting James Bond now, 1146 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160 which I think is our cool thing with myths and geoboacidas 1147 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,480 with the Odyssey, right? 1148 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,040 And all adaptation of us, 1149 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,440 and after a while, people aren't just adapting the text. 1150 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,600 They're like adapting their interpretations of it. 1151 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,200 And then people's interpretations of it, 1152 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,360 all the conversations had around it. 1153 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,880 - Yeah, well, who scored best at the box office? 1154 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,200 Who is everyone's favorite poll and their favorite bond? 1155 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,040 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1156 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:48,880 - So the deal. 1157 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560 We get, they've like, it's hard to resist 1158 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,480 'cause that the crowd for what they do is they hire great artists 1159 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,320 to kind of bring this to life. 1160 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,120 And so it's like James Bond, 1161 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,320 it has some of the best cinematic sequences you will see in film. 1162 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,440 Just 'cause they have a lot of money, 1163 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,240 but also the way they've drawn, at least at the last time. 1164 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,520 Who knows what I'm talking about, too. 1165 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,240 But the way that the broccoli family, 1166 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,360 the Wilson family, the East of these movies together, 1167 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,880 I remember one guy at LMU, finally enough. 1168 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,360 One of the people who produced the Bond films, 1169 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,440 their daughter went to LMU. 1170 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,040 And so like one of the theaters is named like 1171 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,360 the Barbarale of Rock Leads Theater, 1172 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,560 or something like that. 1173 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,600 But one of the Michael G. Wilson produced the Bond movie. 1174 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,800 So he came to our school to talk to us, 1175 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,360 and he explained how the company works. 1176 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,080 And he's like, well, we teach these people 1177 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,360 the production people. 1178 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560 He said, we teach them on payroll all throughout the year. 1179 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,480 And they're designing things for us and things of that nature. 1180 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,280 So it's like, and you realize like, 1181 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720 huh, that's how these movies are put together. 1182 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,640 You know, like, ever breathing, ever growing. 1183 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,480 Yeah. 1184 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,200 Like somebody already knows who the new Bond is. 1185 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,680 They just haven't told us yet. 1186 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,360 But they're well in that. 1187 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,520 It is. 1188 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,560 I wonder who this is. 1189 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,680 As of like next year, it'll be the longest stint 1190 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,960 without a new bond or like the longest pause 1191 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,840 if we make it past next year. 1192 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,280 So it'll be an interesting time to see, 1193 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,760 like, have we evolved past it, have like audiences? 1194 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,080 Or are we really looking into it? 1195 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,960 I mean, they have a lot of rumors. 1196 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,800 I was still hoping for an Idris Elba, 1197 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,520 but I don't think we're ever going to get it. 1198 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,360 I know. 1199 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,360 I thought it would have been amazing. 1200 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,200 No, no, no, no. 1201 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,280 I don't think we're ever going to get it. 1202 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,440 You know, what a bit of a reason. 1203 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,640 Yeah, at this point, at this point, you should say that. 1204 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,880 That would be sick. 1205 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,040 I bet it's going to be Aaron Taylor Johnson. 1206 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,920 He's young and British and handsome. 1207 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,720 I like to be able to shirt off. 1208 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,240 I don't like his wife, but I like him. 1209 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,080 Oh, that's hilarious. 1210 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,360 That's hilarious. 1211 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,760 She's a filmmaker. 1212 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,160 She's an excellent movie. 1213 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:57,920 Yeah, she's a filmmaker and a very controversial woman. 1214 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,680 I think she directed the first 50 shades of the gray, right? 1215 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,680 She did. 1216 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,600 She also did nowhere for us with Aaron Taylor Johnson 1217 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,840 when he was 17. 1218 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,440 Yes, when he was a small little baby, but Squirrel. 1219 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,440 I know. 1220 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,440 I think it'll be really. 1221 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,440 Yeah. 1222 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,440 It'll be interesting. 1223 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,760 Like you said, just you were Amazon does with it and has, you know, Daddy Bezos' claws 1224 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,760 in there. 1225 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,760 It'll be interesting. 1226 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,240 I mean, it's when they say it'll be the longest church because it's like, I guess, 1227 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,960 well, you used to be the longest church. 1228 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960 Ironically, you know what I'm saying? 1229 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,960 Yeah. 1230 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,520 Yeah, there was like when the Berlin Wall came down, there was like the lot. 1231 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,400 That was the last longest church between the V's because they kind of had to figure 1232 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,640 out like, well, what is Bond supposed to be now if he's not kind of fight kind is a. 1233 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,640 Yeah. 1234 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,640 What's his answer? 1235 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,640 Yeah. 1236 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,000 And what they kind of did was, maybe I'm curious if they were, but in the James Bond movies, 1237 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,400 you kind of get a precursor to the one we talked about the War on Terror. 1238 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:06,840 So when we talk about the War on Terror and we talk about these kind of, these international, 1239 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,280 like what does Osama Belon, Osama Belon is this international, 1240 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,720 gay man who has access to always crazy resources and he's held bent on world domination threatening 1241 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,600 our western way of life, but he also exists outside of any government. 1242 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:32,240 So, you know, which which which is financial middleman is the bad guy. 1243 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,240 Yeah. 1244 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240 Yeah. 1245 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:35,240 Financial terrorist. 1246 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,240 Yeah. 1247 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,920 And the book, he man that we can all unite against. 1248 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,920 Correct. 1249 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:49,920 And I don't have to be a country anymore. 1250 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120 He could just be like, he's a super villain essentially. 1251 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,920 And so I feel like, yeah, I feel like there's definitely some type of closer relationship 1252 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,920 there than I'm dry. 1253 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,120 I feel like there's a lot of these are the, but it's interesting that like after the Cold War, 1254 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,520 these are the villains that James Bond is kind of going up against. 1255 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,520 And this is now how we talk about geopolitics. 1256 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,840 He's framing them all those in the, like, a language that we've experienced in movies. 1257 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,440 And with some person like, that's definitely conscious because he's like a team. 1258 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,440 Yeah. 1259 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,440 Yeah. 1260 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,440 And I mean, he's a jackass in an idiot. 1261 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,440 So he doesn't. 1262 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,440 Yeah. 1263 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440 He knows movies. 1264 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,600 He's like, I read this in a, you know, I've told us in a movie once. 1265 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:30,120 That's where he draws his knowledge, quote, quote, from his, yeah, what he's seen in movies 1266 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,360 and what he sees like a cool dictator do or a cool sexy rich guy do. 1267 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,360 Yeah. 1268 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,320 Sure, it's just what he thinks of poor persons ideal in each person. 1269 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,320 Exactly. 1270 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,120 That's why everything spray paint and gold. 1271 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,120 Yes. 1272 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,120 Yes. 1273 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040 It's like if you're a poor person, that you will understand this as well, but like real 1274 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,040 person, real rich person. 1275 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,040 So I don't know. 1276 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,040 Yeah. 1277 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,040 So you got that at home, deep, oh man. 1278 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,040 Yeah, exactly. 1279 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,960 So I mean, so that was the, that was kind of what I came up on with James Bond. 1280 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:03,240 And like at the end of it, I kind of liked him a lot less than intellectually like him 1281 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,240 a lot less. 1282 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,240 Yeah. 1283 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:06,720 Enjoy some of these movies. 1284 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:12,360 I don't think I ever, I don't think like that idea that I have like one day I'll introduce 1285 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,360 that on it. 1286 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,360 It'll be so cool. 1287 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,800 Kind of like when I was a kid, they sent this fight to you and marathon over all these 1288 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,680 days, all of all the James Bond movies. 1289 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,680 Yeah. 1290 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,600 I'm like, I don't think I'll ever do that. 1291 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,360 That's like the channel for men. 1292 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,360 Yeah. 1293 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,360 Yeah. 1294 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,360 That was the channel for men. 1295 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,360 And now it's time. 1296 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,360 Yeah. 1297 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,360 But my aunt show. 1298 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,360 Yeah. 1299 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,880 I remember being like marketed as like the channel for men. 1300 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480 I was like, Oh, I guess I can't watch any of this. 1301 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,480 I don't know. 1302 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,480 I'm going to see. 1303 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,480 But it's something. 1304 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,480 Yeah. 1305 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,480 I'm going to fight. 1306 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,960 I remember like the end of the whole awards ceremony one time to honor fight club within 1307 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,760 the old red and negative reviews. 1308 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,560 I'll fight club at the awards and I get to be a man. 1309 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,920 As a man's will. 1310 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,920 Yeah. 1311 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,440 So if you were going to show a child some of your favorite movies someday before we close 1312 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,760 out this episode, well, what would some of the favorite movies be? 1313 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,760 Right. 1314 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,440 That's a good question. 1315 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,040 I haven't thought about that before. 1316 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,360 What I think I thought about it because I thought about this recently in terms of a lot of 1317 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,080 difficulties where we talk about it just with dating. 1318 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:21,200 Like, a lot of people do carry morals and like lessons of how they want their life to 1319 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,880 go from movies more than they realize. 1320 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,880 Yeah. 1321 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,880 Absolutely. 1322 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:31,680 Like, and like Chuck Austin, he has this quote at the end of this his, his, his, the 1323 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:37,280 book that has a lot of essays called eating the dinosaur and, and it's called that because 1324 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,000 he's like the only good use for time machines to go back in time to eat a dancer. 1325 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000 Just for you. 1326 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,440 But he says something where he says he says like a lot of times the things that we want, we 1327 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,560 don't really want them. 1328 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,080 We say we want them because we think that if we tell people we want these things, we 1329 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,560 think it will impress them. 1330 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,760 And like sometimes when you have the family who are talented, you're not a chief of thing, 1331 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120 that person actually doesn't want to be around joining one. 1332 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,320 But what they do want to get around is a person who seems to want things. 1333 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,040 And I'm like, how that's very interesting. 1334 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,720 And so then a lot of like what you are told to walk just comes from movies and TV shows. 1335 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,400 It would be like even, even down to like, I want a man who can do this from you. 1336 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,720 Like, I want to want to want to do this like this. 1337 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,440 It's like, well, this is just, you saw this on TV, which is so constructed. 1338 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,280 And so you can like spend a little bit of your whole life. 1339 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,280 Married with children. 1340 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,280 Yeah. 1341 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,280 I don't want that. 1342 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,280 Or friends. 1343 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,280 Or friends. 1344 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,840 Like you'll say, like, I should be living in a apartment like friends. 1345 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,000 And like, well, this is an unreality for all of us. 1346 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,000 No one lives in a department. 1347 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,000 Yeah. 1348 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,000 Right. 1349 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000 Exactly. 1350 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,960 So it's like, so lately I've been thinking about like, okay, well, we kind of take a lot of 1351 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,200 lessons from movies subconsciously and I really got away. 1352 00:50:54,200 --> 00:51:01,160 So if I had to show a movie, I mean, you have to show movies, you should get kids movies 1353 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,160 because you're actually born baby. 1354 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,160 Yeah. 1355 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,160 Yeah. 1356 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,160 Probably bandy, probably bandy. 1357 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,160 There you go. 1358 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,160 Okay. 1359 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,160 There you go. 1360 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,160 Probably teacher 50. 1361 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,360 But there's like, but there's like, but there's one movie that I think like, okay, it'll probably 1362 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,440 park a person be a good person. 1363 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,440 Huh. 1364 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440 There is a moon like this. 1365 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,680 Well, maybe she'll help you. 1366 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,480 I'll say she'll help you. 1367 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,080 Because my girlfriend, my dad is a minister. 1368 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,840 And so like, I used to always show him, I guess, gay propaganda to kind of get him to see 1369 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,840 the light. 1370 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,840 Yeah. 1371 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,840 I love that. 1372 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,680 The one that worked on him the most was sure a little. 1373 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:44,360 I know it was that because because Denzel plays a homophobic not movie. 1374 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,360 Okay. 1375 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,960 But his, his arc is that his arc is interesting. 1376 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:54,000 Like Denzel by the end of the movie is not necessarily like the most reformed person, 1377 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,760 but he's reformed enough to know that he's wrong. 1378 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:57,760 Yeah. 1379 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,040 So, to see the decency in humanity and other people. 1380 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,040 Yeah. 1381 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,680 Because in Tom Hanks, like, Tucker Stan Hanks plays for people in the Donald Philadelphia. 1382 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,320 He's about Tom Hanks as a guy who has HIV. 1383 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,760 And this is back in back in the 19th and 19th. 1384 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,720 We're having that was a little bit more stigmatized than now. 1385 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,840 And so he's in proper be fired. 1386 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,560 But he's like a brilliant, so try to remember like a brain attorney. 1387 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440 And so our doctor, he said some women type of person. 1388 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,440 So then he hires essentially who's an ambulance chase Eric Denzel Washington. 1389 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,680 Because no one else wants to take on this case. 1390 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,520 And then the Washington sees this as an opportunity. 1391 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,520 It's really a homophobic. 1392 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,120 We still take to high any words for selfish reasons. 1393 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,680 And then by knowing to, by impingling him, he can realize that he's wrong. 1394 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,680 Yeah. 1395 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,480 So I think that's probably a movie you could probably show a kid and go walk away with some 1396 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,480 good lessons. 1397 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,320 That's a great choice. 1398 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,320 Damn. 1399 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,320 I like that. 1400 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,320 I like that. 1401 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,840 That's a good answer. 1402 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,840 No James Bond here. 1403 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,840 No, no, no. 1404 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,840 No, no, no. 1405 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,680 Not just true that. 1406 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,800 Well, thank you so much for joining us, Daniel. 1407 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,840 When does your essay come out and where can everyone read it once it does? 1408 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,320 It'll be on the splice.co.inq. 1409 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,160 And it should be in the next two months. 1410 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,240 It should be in the next month or so. 1411 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:16,760 I have to finish this. 1412 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,560 Hopefully we got your brain, brain move in there. 1413 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,080 Yeah, we're on top of it. 1414 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,080 Sometimes. 1415 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,240 Yeah, I mean, there's going to be a, there's going to be, I probably will release, I guess, 1416 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:32,240 on my website when I'm done a choral, choral director's cart version of it. 1417 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,480 Because I, I got like really indulgent. 1418 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,320 But some of the parts where I got indulgent, I'm like, they were really well written. 1419 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,680 Um, because it's like, I'm Caribbean. 1420 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,480 So like the first James Bond takes place in Jamaica. 1421 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,720 And then the other thing is that there's aspects where, you know, James Bond has taken 1422 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:54,040 place in Turkey, Ian Fleming was a Turkish spy. 1423 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,280 And then there's a story that I kind of leaked together, which is like the story that we 1424 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,720 Mark Anthony, broccoli, a patriotic turkey. 1425 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,600 She looked at the beach and said, like, I don't like it. 1426 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,800 And so then he trucked in sand to replace the sand there. 1427 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,360 But the funny thing about us, and that, that story is that they do do that in the Caribbean. 1428 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,640 So like in the Caribbean, there's like my mom grew up on an island called St Vincent. 1429 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,840 And because they have volcanoes, they have black sand. 1430 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,080 And when the tourists and when they come to the resorts, they're expecting to be just to 1431 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,080 look at how it looks like in James Bond looking. 1432 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,080 And so then they will truck in white sand from other islands to give them a solution. 1433 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,560 And so like I was going to always like segue. 1434 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,320 And I'm like, he's interesting. 1435 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,680 So that's not what I'm talking about. 1436 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,680 It's interesting. 1437 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,680 You mentioned your website. 1438 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,320 What is your website and what is your social media handle? 1439 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,320 Yes. 1440 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,560 So my website is my name.com. 1441 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,880 So it's danieldeboulay, that's d-e-b-o-u-l-a-y.com. 1442 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,960 And I'm on threads. 1443 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,800 My last name, d-e-b-o-u-l-a-y.mxf. 1444 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,200 And so the show knows out there. 1445 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,800 They'll know what mxf means. 1446 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,800 It's a very, very lucky niche. 1447 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,640 They're in term and she'll be. 1448 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:04,640 Love it. 1449 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,960 Olivia, where can the 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