And then I felt this gentle squeeze on my shoulder.
And I wheel around because I'm not happy that he's interrupting me.
With...
With?
His love while I'm on a business call, right?
Right.
So I wheel around to say, "I'll be with you in a minute. I'm up."
There was no way there.
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Welcome to the Quantum Theory Podcast.
Well, welcome everyone to this episode of the Quantum Theory Podcast.
Today we have a very special guest, Dr. Elizabeth Freight.
She's an entrepreneur and executive business coach,
running her own consulting practice over the last four decades.
Who has now taken a bit of a right turn in life path
and is now a practicing spiritual medium.
And aside from that, as she spent the last eight or so years
providing pro bono coaching for the Honor Foundation,
which helps our militaries elite operators,
such as Navy Seals, Delta Force, Army Rangers, and so on.
Helping them transition from military to civilian life
and as well providing them with readings
for which every dollar is actually donated back into the foundation
at the further support their programs.
So really excited to jump in today, but without further ado,
I want to introduce Dr. Elizabeth Freight.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Oh, I'm delighted to be here.
And earlier in this show, you told me you have a brother
that's an Army Ranger, is he still active duty?
He is.
Yes, ma'am.
And how soon...
Well, he's your young, so he must be relatively young.
He's probably not ready to get out for a while.
Yeah, yeah, well, fingers crossed on my end, but yes, I know.
He's ready to continue down his path.
Yes, well, the outer foundation is a wonderful organization.
And I have enjoyed working with these fellows
and helping them make that transition.
It's been a real joy.
My corporate background has prepared me for that
plus my executive coaching.
It's all kind of combined.
But as you said, I have,
for over 40 years, had my own business as an executive coach.
And somehow, I have just decided as I would,
I'm actually sort of semi-retired,
retired from really earning money,
but still continuing very much involved.
So basically, what happened was when I was in my 20s,
I had this out-of-body experience that was really rather jolting.
And I looked into it and I read about it,
but I decided I didn't want to go there at that time.
I was maybe in my 20s, maybe 23 years old.
And then I took some courses at the Monroe Institute,
and I was kind of interested, but never did anything about it.
And then in my 40s, I had almost just the most out-of-body experience.
I was sitting in my office.
I was talking to a client, GE aircraft engine,
so you know, very straight.
And at that time, I was a compensation consultant,
designing wage and salary programs for companies.
And I was setting up an appointment with this woman,
and all of a sudden, out of the corner of my eye,
I noticed that the room was taking out a golden glow.
And I thought, what the heck's that?
But I'm focused on my phone call, and I'm saying, you know,
to the clock is going to be fine.
And as we're talking, I suddenly felt this overwhelming sense of unconditional love.
"Fill me."
I had never felt anything like that before.
Now, I thought it was my husband who had gone out hunting that morning,
and it was coming back, and I thought maybe he entered the room,
because I heard a little something that, well, maybe it's him.
And then I felt this gentle squeeze on my shoulder.
And I wheel around, because I'm not happy that he's interrupting me.
What?
His love while I'm on a business call, right?
So, and wheel around to say, I'll be with you in a minute.
There was no way there.
And I would, and the light is letting me out of here.
And I said, yes, I am.
Thank you.
And I continued with the conversation.
We closed it off, and suddenly the light dissipated, the love dissipated.
And I sat there, and I went, what?
And the world was that.
I wasn't scared this time, because this was different.
I thought, oh, my word.
You know, I just don't know what happened here.
And I couldn't explain it.
And the feeling was so overwhelming.
I thought, boy, I yearn for that to happen again.
Well, it never did.
And I asked a friend of mine who is a born-again Christian.
I thought, maybe I was having a religious experience.
Right.
But I thought I'm not religious.
So it's not making sense to me.
But I'll ask her because maybe she knows.
So I said, you know, Gianna said if you ever had a religious experience,
and she said, I have, I said, well, let me tell you what happened to me.
And then maybe you can tell me what this was.
So I told her, and she said, did you pray recently?
And I said, uh, Gianna, I don't really do that.
Sure.
Now my thing.
And then I said, no, wait a minute.
About two weeks prior, or a week prior, maybe even just a week prior.
I had visited a friend of mine who was a bonnified psychic.
She was being followed by John Hopkins University.
And from the time she was a child.
And she now had a little training center.
And she called me up one day and she said, you know,
as with here the most practical person I know, the straightest person,
the most non-spirigent person.
You know, right.
Right.
Um, my students have been telling me that they feel this energy pull in a certain place in my
training center.
I need to get a very honest perspective on this.
Would you come in and check it out?
So I said, oh, yes, sure I'll do it.
So I come in there.
And in, uh, in the process, she said, I'm going to have what of her
accolades or disciples or whatever, going to give you a protection, whatever.
But then she was going to energy feel or something.
Then you will, uh, we'll do the test.
I said, okay.
So I walk over there and Deborah says to me, okay, pray to whatever God you believe in
or is the higher spirit or whatever for protection while I go through this,
whatever she is going to go through.
So I said, oh, wait, what am I going to say?
And I said, okay, I'm very, very irreverent.
Okay.
And I said, okay, God, show me what's real and show me what's bullshit.
That was my prayer.
Wow.
So then my friend, Nancy said, put your hands over mine, which I did, you know, like this.
And she said, do you feel any kind of policy?
Nadah. She said, okay, now try it this way.
Both ways.
Nothing as she says, okay, thank you.
So then I relate this to my friend Candace.
And she said, well, I guess he showed you what was real.
And I thought, oh my word.
So that's something.
And for years, I wanted to experience that again.
And it was not until, so I was in my 40s.
Now I'm in my 70s.
Okay.
So as I meditate for my mediumship, which I'll go into later, but we call in guides.
And I'm identifying my guides.
We also have the ability to call in angels and other kinds of things as you go to higher realms.
So I called in my guides and I, they were supposed to look to see if we had,
because I was training at the time, a mediumship guide or a mediumship.
And this woman, very like ethereal, looking like an angel.
And she told me her name was Angeline, came forward.
And looked at me and sent forth that same feeling of love that I experienced 30 years earlier.
And it was so heartwarming.
It was just really wonderful.
So I know, I reclaimed it, you know, it was really great.
And so I'm always happy to see her because she just makes you feel so, you know,
you're so very loved, which is everyone is.
But I just felt amazed.
So that's kind of the history of how I got into mediumship.
And I call myself a medium by choice.
I am not a natural board medium.
I thought everyone, the anybody that was a medium had to be natural.
Well, I'm straight, Aero corporate, never thought about any of the stuff before.
And after retiring, the first thing I did is I decided, okay, I'm going to pursue acting,
commercials, do that kind of thing for the actively aging senior.
So I just have for about five years.
And I still do it on occasion, but it lost its interest to me.
It's kind of like you sit around wait a lot.
Right.
And the thing is, you know, my whole purpose in life is to be of service.
And I'm thinking, you know, this is not really making a difference.
When I work with the seals, I'm making a difference.
I'm doing a commercial.
It's fun.
I didn't know anything about it.
I learned about lighting and editing and sound and all that stuff.
That was fine.
But now there's a, I want to do something else.
And then I saw that they were offering a program through the Monroe Institute
called Mediumship Toolkit.
I read about it and I said, "Oh, that sounds good.
Haven't done a class in three years.
Ah, go for it."
So I went for it.
And it, you know, they said you didn't have to be a medium.
And I did it.
And I was really quite swept away.
I wasn't very good after the class.
I was only about 20% accurate.
And I go, "Well, this doesn't cut it for me.
I'm used to excellence.
So I need to take more classes.
And I have to get
schooled fast because I'm 76.
And LA have maybe 15 years.
And so I need to get it and get it done.
And so I decided to take some more classes.
And I took another circle with this woman that taught our class.
She was from Australia.
And then I discovered Suzanne Geesman.
Have you ever heard of Suzanne Geesman?
I have not personally.
Okay.
Let me tell you about Suzanne Geesman.
Suzanne Geesman was a former, a retired,
a retired Navy commander.
Who was, like me, straight, aerotaut leadership courses,
all executive stuff.
She worked ultimately for
the Pentagon.
She was an aide to the joint chiefs of staff.
Really very straighter.
Looks like a cross between Savannah,
got three and Katie Kirk.
I mean, this just looks like the throw next door.
All right.
So she didn't believe any of this stuff either.
And one day,
she heard a stepdaughter,
who was a marine.
And was pregnant at the time was going to her duty station.
And was struck by lightning and killed.
And of course, she was devastated by this.
This is a horrible situation.
And this stepdaughter made a visitation to her.
With such crystal clarity that she said, oh my gosh,
I've got to look into this.
Well, she looked into it.
She went and studied at the Arthur Finley College.
She learned to become a medium.
This was 20 some years ago.
And now she's not started to cut you off.
But when you say visitation,
what do you mean specifically when she said she had a visitation with her?
She could, she made her presence known to her
and told her things that nobody would know
to find things and various that she made it.
Let's put this way she was able to connect with her.
Okay.
She came into her consciousness.
Okay.
Not as a ghost in front of her.
All right.
I don't want to say that.
Not as an ethereal body.
But she was able to, she got the communication.
Like a knowing.
Yes, I know exactly.
So, um, then what happened was she decided to,
she got trained at the Arthur Finley School and has started
this whole major practice of training.
And I have taken a eight week course from her,
a 10 week course from her this past fall.
I went on a cruise where I took a 14 hour workshop with her.
Then I took a seven week workshop.
I mean, really, I had to get there quickly.
And her style appealed to me because she was very structured.
A lot of the, a lot of the stuff that I see
as a little like, airy fairy, not my style.
Okay.
Oh, I need to, and she is the one that introduced me to people
like, um, Lynn McTaggart.
She talks about Lynn McTaggart and the whole Quadde field
and epigenetics and all that other jazz.
So I could relate.
And then I said, well, I need to get.
So once I was at a minimum of 70% accuracy,
I said, ready to go out there.
And that was like, I don't know, four or five months into it.
Because I was like practicing, bragsizing, bragsizing.
So the bottom line about medium says,
it's really three things that allow someone to be a medium.
Number one, education, number two, meditation.
And number three, practice, practice, practice, practice.
Mediums practice with each other constantly.
Because it's like a muscle.
If you don't use it, you lose it.
So even today before our meeting, I was busy all week.
I didn't have time to do something.
And I quickly went on a platform that I know,
which allows me to on demand connect with any other medium
in the world.
This woman I connected with was from Ireland.
We both wanted to practice.
Bay, I just needed to get a practice in there and to make sure I didn't lose it.
I meditate every day.
Because if I don't, I can't.
Because like I say, I'm not natural.
It's work for me.
It's hard.
All right.
For a natural board medium, add they do it is no big deal.
But for me, it's a big deal.
And I have to really work at it.
So that's when I decided, okay,
I want to do this.
I don't really need to make the money.
But I also know that people don't appreciate what they don't pay for.
I've been in business too long to recognize that.
But I thought, well, what can I do?
And the other thing is with the Honor Foundation,
I've been coaching with them for eight, nine years.
And so they've gotten my time and my talent.
But I wasn't able to give them my treasury.
And I'm retired now.
So I'm on a fixed income.
So I thought, well, this is what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do it and make sure that all earnings from this go to the Honor Foundation.
So I can help them expand their programs even further.
So that's my full purpose behind this and how it came to be.
So that's a pretty long introduction.
But no, thank you so much.
I mean, there's like a hundred things that I want to ask.
You know, I think that was a perfect, you know,
kind of origin story to help people understand.
And I think that's what's so incredible about individuals such as yourself,
just for the audience, I think the most credible people are the ones who come from,
you know, regular 3D life.
I say 3D facetiously, but on a literal level, you know,
corporate life, you know, regular work and job and structure and straight arrow and ambition
and drive and competition and, you know, all of those attributes that come with, you know,
are everyday experience.
And someone such as that who then has an experience or experiences,
whether in your 20s and then you put it on the shelf, you're like,
I don't want people thinking I'm crazy.
You know, back to work type of thing.
Get back to work and so get back to work.
And, you know, much later in life, then you kind of,
the real one and that kind of officially sets you where,
down the path where you are now.
So I think, you know, your story is incredible for that reason.
That people open their eyes and say, hey, this isn't just some,
you know, spiritual person over in East Asia.
You know, who's a monk on some mountain, right?
Like this is an everyday person that, you know,
has these experiences because they are authentic.
And this is real experience.
It's just not necessarily the experience that we register with our five senses.
And I think we're kind of living in an age now where we're transitioning to kind of opening up
another realm of sense.
That for millennia, you know, Eastern traditions are different, you know,
philosophic philosophies have known about more of like the subtle bodies and the power of the mind
and our interconnectedness to all of an entirely paradigm.
And so I think people like you are almost called upon because your testimony is something that helps other people awaken.
So firstly, just thank you, you know, for sharing and being a proponent,
you know, of that elevation of consciousness and of that shift.
But one more targeted question I want to ask is,
because I'm very much a scientific type of thinker.
I'm very logical.
And I think, you know, that's what I bring the table a little bit as I try to ground things a little bit
intellectually in terms of kind of where science is.
And I was wondering your thoughts on, you know, when you have to practice, practice, practice, right?
And you have to continually, you know, sharpen, sharpen the blade when it comes to mediumship.
Do you think that that relates to to brain waves at all?
I know we were talking to about Dr. Joe D'Spenza's work prior to coming on here.
Do you think that you're sort of in training yourself to stay more in like even like alpha or even towards,
you know, get a gamma brain wave frequencies to help you be able to get quicker into that frequency,
to tap into the field or to tap into other realms.
I'm wondering your thoughts on that.
That's a very astute question.
So let me think about that before I answer.
When you're meditating and when I meditate, I am listening to HemiSync many times where I'm
listening to Bynural Beats to balance my brain and different waves.
Okay.
Now the thing is, I, you try to practice and the entrainment would be the more you meditate,
the easier it is to get in the zone, so to speak.
Okay.
You stop meditating.
You're not in the zone.
You'll fall out of the zone.
So you have to make sure you do that.
So I can say that my ability to connect is quicker now because of my constant meditation that I do.
That seems to be the case, but I have no,
well, you know, if you listen to Joe D'Spenza and he says you practice and you do this and you start
to pay attention, the key is to pay attention and your awareness.
And sometimes my awareness is not so great.
It's like, I don't know.
I never thought about myself being ADHD, but I forget where I put my phone 10 times a day.
And I'm not being mindful about it.
Okay.
So the mindfulness, and that's part of it.
It's mindfulness of saying, okay, this is my phone.
It's in my hands.
I'm laying it down here on the counter so that when I go to look for it again, I know where it is.
Most of the time I'm doing 20,000 things and I'm working on that.
But I think when it comes to the kinds of things that you're talking about,
I am paying more attention to what Susanne would call Godwinks.
Things that happen that seem to be
coincidental, but maybe they're not.
In example, here's an example of where you know that you know, you've had a situation where it seems
like you're trying to do something and it's like going uphill, something is stopping you.
And then there's times when things just fall together perfectly.
And I was, I just was planning a trip to go on a cruise and taking my darling companion for his 70th
birthday from Quebec City to Boston.
So up the St. Lawrence Seaway.
And I initially wanted to go to Europe and I said, oh, and I want to pay what I have to pay
for business class, playing over there. It's ridiculously expensive and there's a time change.
Too hard on me.
So let's do something war local, only three hours difference.
Because I'm in count for you.
And I'm looking at the different trips on Holland America.
And I'm looking at them and it's just September 6th through the 13th.
And I'm not undecided about what I want to do.
And I go, well, it ends up in Boston.
My former colleague where I worked in corporate America, it's in Boston.
I haven't seen him for five years.
It would be nice to see him.
Maybe we'll stay an extra day or two.
I don't know.
I don't know because I'll be gone for seven days.
And I'm having and I'm hawing, right?
Suddenly I get a text.
Now this colleague, I had introduced him to his wife.
So by the way, I take credit for his kids.
So I get a text from him out of the blue.
He never text me.
And he said, what is Lawrence's last name?
That's my darling companion.
I tell him.
I said, what's going on?
He said, my daughter is getting married on September 13th.
And I wanted to send out the invitations they'll be coming soon.
Well, September 13th is the day the boat docs in Boston at 7am.
So I said, I'm there.
I'm there.
RSVP me, yes.
And I booked my trip.
Fang.
That was it.
Now, perfect.
Okay?
So those are the kinds of things that happen because they're supposed to happen.
And I just started to accept that.
So I'll part of it, I think.
So when you have things that happen like that,
then you have to pay attention and ask yourself.
So yeah, it's, it's all part of it.
Do you think, do you think that you can induce synchronicities?
I know it's a lot of Dr. Joseph Benzo's work is,
you know, when you get into very deep meditative states and you have a clear intention
with an elevated emotion, you're, you know, sending that literal electromagnetic frequency
into the field and resonating with that possibility that's there.
And where the universe can then respond and, you know, bring you those people and bring
you those circumstances.
I absolutely do.
I do.
You know, years ago he talks about mind movies in his book.
Remember that, mind movies?
All right.
So years ago, well, there's two things.
For the mind movie, I created, and this was maybe 20 years ago,
I said, these are the things I want.
But they had to go be more than that.
These are not the things I want to lose 25 pounds.
You have to say why so that I can have a healthy body and be able to have the energy
to accomplish things that will allow me to serve more effectively.
So the intention and the why and you have to have the why now, I do a lot of work with neuroscience.
Okay.
So the why behind it is the juice that takes place in your brain.
You could say to somebody, well, you know, I need to lose weight.
Yeah, everybody needs to.
Well, why don't we lose weight?
Because either it's not that important to us and it's work.
All right.
So if you understand the why behind what you're doing,
that then motivates you to go further.
Now, I honestly believe that once you set things in motion,
mentally with intention, then it happens.
And on that list, everything I had, I think I had 20 some things on the list,
I accomplished everything because I was very clear.
You have to be very clear with your intention because what happens is,
it's like when you make a decision, let's say you're a business and you decide,
this is your business strategy.
There's opportunities and all kinds of things coming from everywhere.
All right.
If you know what your strategy is, you'll know which ones to prune out
and which ones to come.
And those and before you had your strategy, you might not have noticed
that something came into your field because you weren't clear about it.
But if you're well intended, it's going to come into your field.
And that's just the way it works.
Then, oh, maybe eight years ago, I created a mind movie.
I didn't quite do it the way he did it.
I mean, I called it a mind movie.
I had created this PowerPoint.
I put it to music, different kinds of music.
It's like, it was when the economy, I think it was 2008, 2009.
You can.
I know that.
And so the music behind it was happy days are here.
Oh, yeah.
That was the music.
And then I picked pictures of things that I wanted to have happened.
And I watched that movie every day.
I think I accomplished from my mind movie about 80% of what I wanted.
Because I'm very clear and well intended.
So the answer is yes, yes, and yes.
How long did it take those mind movie items to a take effect?
A couple of years because some of them were from goals.
Yeah.
Wow.
Very cool.
Yeah, I'm always fascinated by that topic.
Because it just shows the level of power we have over our reality.
I mean, whether it's, you know, mediumship and actually,
you know, contacting individuals or whether it's even just our minds powered
to influence our reality.
And it just kind of opens the broader tapestry of, you know,
what reality really is, you know, in our role within it.
And so I think that's super interesting.
You know, I was curious as well.
When it comes to like the whispers kind of shifting back into that gear, you know,
how would you say you identify that?
Because I think even similar to what you were saying about manifestation,
it's your awareness of it to bring that into your field.
And I think similarly knowing what that communication feels like,
what that knowing feels like, my mind's shedding some light on kind of how to identify those,
those whispers that you suggested.
Well, you know, I operate as a medium using something called "clares", all right?
So, "clair voyants" means I see things.
"Clear audience" means I hear things.
"Clear sentient" means I feel things.
And "clair cognizant" means I just know stuff.
And the fellows at the Honor Foundation and my clients, by clients, particularly when I was
an executive coach, used to call me the "heat seeking missile".
I resonated with that.
No, no, no.
So you listen to a client's situation, right?
And they've got this problem.
They need to have it resolved.
And they're like, they're overwhelmed.
And I go like, all right, time.
I see this is the issue, like a laser.
They go, "How did you put through all that and see all that?"
Well, part of that comes from my business experience and part of it comes from listening.
And the other is just knowing.
This is what it's about.
The problem named is the problem solved, okay?
And I can cut through all the noise and see it.
That is a knowing.
There are other times when I'm talking to somebody.
And, you know, the old thing gut feeling, all right?
That's Claire Sentians.
You feel it.
And you get kind of nauseous.
Or that happens in a doesn't feel right.
And you know that there were times when I was a woman first in corporate America,
in this particular company.
They were not very progressive. They were very conservative company.
And they fought me.
You know, they want everybody wanted to torpedo my ship because,
"Hey, they were afraid I'd take their job."
Sure.
They all is.
So anyway, I remember my boss taking me into a meeting with all the higher ups
for this meeting they were having.
And I went walked into the room.
And I went to get a cup of coffee and you could like have cut the tension with a knife.
They were all looking at me and they didn't say it.
It's like, "What's she doing here?"
And I, it was like so profound.
I couldn't believe it.
And of course, I had to break the tension,
which I knew the skills to do that and how to make it happen.
But that's an example of you're knowing when you aren't wanted in a situation and then you have
to know what to do.
Here's another situation that happened to me.
I was subsequently promoted to compensation manager.
And I'm in a meeting with all of these people coming in from all over the country.
We're all having dinner together.
I'm the one woman there, okay?
Good for you.
What happens is I said, "Oh God, I'm going to be with all these sales people."
And they're all so aggressive and they're going to just deep me alive.
And I'm new in my job.
This is even though I had been an analyst that was promoted to manager.
And I'm sitting there.
And the next thing that happens is this fellow comes up to me and says,
"What's his arm over my shoulders?"
And says, "And who are you?"
And I said, "I'm Elizabeth Fried."
And what do you do for us all of a sudden?
I said, "I'm the compensation planning manager."
The compensation planning manager.
I just wanted to be a man.
People had compensation.
I mean, this couldn't be any more kind of sending it up.
Not actually.
But I'm like swallowing it.
All right, because I didn't want to create a scene.
So now we sit down where dinner and he's sitting across from me.
And he says, "So what brought you to the company, Elizabeth?"
And I said, "Well, I was doing some research and the company liked it."
And they wanted to hire me so I could do that here.
"Oh, were you working on your masters?"
And I normally didn't tell people I had a PhD because it was too intimidating to them.
So I said, "But he asked me a direct question."
So I said, "Well, no, I was actually working on my PhD."
"Oh, in what area?"
So I thought, "Well, I'm not going to say invocational technical education with focus on research and
statistic. That'll kill it."
So just I said, "In education?"
And responded.
"Oh, I have a daughter in education. She works with a little dyslexia."
And he said, "Yeah, so she works with learning disabled.
You should be very proud of your daughter. She is making quite a contribution."
I thought I was safe.
The next minute, he says, "So what makes you think you could be a manager in this company?"
"You think you could be a manager?" And I went, "I think I can be a manager and I heard my voice go up."
And he just starts pounding me and pounding me. And the whole table is like listening and
wrapped attention to him, trying to destroy me. And I thought, "Oh my, what I want to do is to pick
up this chair and break it over his head. But gee, that would cast a long shadow. So that's not going
to work." And he would not let up. And finally, I said, "You know, I think your daughter would be
very upset with you, right?" "Hi, daughter. What does she have to do with this?"
"It meant..." And when he was pounding me, okay, and I have to stop for a minute,
I asked for advice. And I said, "Please help me out of this. Please help me out of this
melling like a rose, and I connected. I didn't put that together when I had done until years later."
And then I said to him, "I think your daughter would be very unhappy with you, right?"
"Hi, daughter. What does she have to do with this?"
"Imagine your daughter in the business situation that we're in right now and having to deal with this
level of abuse." "I let's..." "I let's." And then I turned around and talked to someone else.
So I did, in that particular case, was to call upon Mike, "Whoever,
whatever spirit to guide me, I didn't think of it as spiritual at the time because I was so..."
"You know, but these are the Godwigs that you get along the way. How do you know?"
And you just never know when it's going to happen. But it will always happen if you ask.
It's a matter of receivership. It's once you sort of acquiesce and you're like,
"Okay, I'm out of the driver's seat. I need some help."
"What do I do here?" "I need some change of heal." "There it is. Quite literally."
And then that's when you get those downloads. Even when people talk about they have their rock bottom
moment and there's this one guy, maybe familiar with him or not, he's pretty big on social media.
He's Eric Spoffer. He's a huge entrepreneur, real estate investor. He's an incredible story
about being a drug addict who, way earlier on in his life, in a gang, just the worst of the worst.
Overdosed so many times and he had this one moment, this rock bottom on the knees,
hands to God. If you get me out of this mess, I will be a testament to you and be a voice for you
for the rest of my life. From that point on, he kicked his addiction and all that and became a
just mega millionaire. It's just an unbelievable story and that's an extreme example. Or even the
minutiae, it's like, "I surrender, I submit." And I think you go into a receivership even in that moment
where you turn off that four brain of thinking, thinking, or even egoic constructs of how
our minds are structured, of wanting to react and having the cortisol and the adrenaline and the
bite of hormones. When you're operating from that space, you don't have that channel of clarity.
So I think it's really a mechanism of getting out of the way, quote-unquote,
is sort of shutting that whole process down so you can pull that higher information that's
coming from a field of love, of source, which is, as you've experienced, pure love.
And it's actually a perfect segue because I did want to go back and just get a bit,
because your experience is so special and unique and I think it'd be cool to see it even further
granularity around that pure love experience and really kind of describe some granular detail.
Like, what that felt like and what that experience was to you because one other parallel,
and you've been deep on the knowledge quest, what's a lot of these thinkers like Lin-Mak Taggart and
Joseph Benz and whatnot, but there's another individual ever heard of Fred Rico Fijin,
the quantum physicist. So he wrote this book called Irreducible that came out, I think, last year.
So he invented the microprocessor, so literally the computer chip. So he is, I mean, the one of those
prolific physicists in the history of the world. He's responsible for our entire globe's
information technology infrastructure. The never computer, every phone, it's the chip, right?
And so he, much later in life, had a very similar experience, which is why I think it's a cool
parallel and I think you should check him out separately. I will. I think you're going to resonate a
lot because he was just going about his business, hard core physicist, you know, microchip inventor,
right? Like so anti-spiritual, it's not even funny, right? And he had this just explosion of
energy from his chest, he said, and he was just pure love. And he was like, I'm home. Like, and he
felt his self-expand into space and, you know, because he was so unhappy in his life. He thought he
cheered everything in the material world. You know, he became a legend in his field and all the
notoriety, all the success. And it's like, why am I so unhappy? You know, because he hadn't had that
connection with this, what I believe is, you know, with spirit or with the field or source or,
you know, whatever you want to label it. And I think that he was called and sort of snapped into
this awareness because now he can come and speak on spirituality as someone who is as credible as
the inventor of the microprocessor. So you've got to listen to him. And so that's why I think it's
a cool parallel of your story is, you know, 40 years in hard core business, but you had this incredible
experience, the experience, you've got to give it credibility. You've got to listen to it. You know,
so I think you're full, like, love, pure love experiences. So cool to trace that to people like him.
And just so many others, I think it just gives further credence to how really that the base
fabric of consciousness is love. It's the unification for us. So the unification of this, you know,
the old and the antithesis of separation and polarity and everything that we experience in 3D
space time. So I know it's a bit of a circuitous route back to the question, but I'd love to
learn a bit more about that pure love experience. We don't mind sharing some more detail there.
Well, I'll tell you, Jared, it's very difficult to describe. It true. Sure.
Yes, indescribable. For me to give you, normally I talk in terms of behaviorism so forth and when I
talk about, let me see the best you can, because I know it's very personal and very, very, very
I understand it, but I'm trying to help other people understand. I, when people say, oh, it's pure love,
I'm going like, what are you talking about? Till it happens to me, okay? It's number one,
you might feel love from somebody, but there's like conditions. It's like, I'll love you if you do
this. I'll love you if you're, you know, you're successful. I'll love you if you take care of this had
nothing to do with this. It's just 100% pure and the best way I could describe it. If you've ever
had a pet and you've, you've got this little baby pet, all right? And you just love this pet. This pet
doesn't have to do anything. They just are and the way you feel about this pet, how it comes from
your heart. The same would be true of a newborn baby. So I had to say the pet because I'm not
everybody as children. So if you have a newborn child and I remember hearing from women, the first
time I ever felt really in love is when I looked upon the face of my baby. Okay? It's a connection that
is inseparable that doesn't require anybody to do or be anything other than there. It's just there.
And it's just, it's over. And if you feel this coming toward you from someone else where you know,
but you know, it's like the sun rises and sets on you. You could do no wrong. There is nothing.
You are so completely accepted. Most of us grow up with conditions. If you get good grades,
we'll love you. If you keep your room clean, you're lovable. If you do the if, if always a
condition instead of that's the only way I can describe it to you because you have to experience.
And let me tell you, even with me describing it as I do, the closest I can think of because I have
not, I have no children would be how I feel felt about my cats, you know, which is loved them.
And you know, you do things for your pets. If it's your pet that you wouldn't do for anybody else's pet
because they're yours. So I mean, that's the only way I can describe it.
No, thank you. And no, that's totally, totally fine. And I think that is a good description because I
think that is gets back to this idea, just the nature being that unconditional, pure love. And
it's really cool to hear that through different testimonies across different individuals. And
it kind of just gives this account that that's really just kind of the fabric of who we are at the
base core of, you know, consciousness or the field or whatever you want to label it. I think is
that basic unconditional love that we are kind of separated from here experiencing, you know,
3D reality is a kind of a fractal of that consciousness here in polarity, in separation to have
our human experience. But it kind of gives you a little window back into what our true nature
really is. And so that's super, super cool to hear from you. And I was curious, did you mention that
you had any bit of out of body type of experience or was that I had an out of body experience. And
that's a whole other story. This is how this whole thing started back in my 20s. Here was the, here's
what happened. I was, I was a head of a way friend that lived in Minnesota and I lived in Ohio.
And he was coming in for the week. And I was a teacher at the time. And I needed to get to sleep
because he was coming in that afternoon. And I had teachers meeting in the morning.
And my phone kept ringing off the hook. And these were the days when there were no answer machines.
Okay, it was the wall phone. And rang, rang, rang, rang, all right, no answer machines.
So I drifted off to bed and the phone lit rang. It would be another friend who wanted to talk
about something. I said, listen, I got to get to sleep. I hang up on the phone. I'm trying to get back to
the last person to call me was my friend Vernon. He said, I gotta come over. I gotta talk to you. I said
Vernon, I can't to act to you. You'll keep you up all night with whatever it is. And I can't do
a David's coming in. Can't do it. And I felt bad because I never let a friend down, but it was what
it was. So now I am so exhausted physically, but my mind is racing. And I remember reading a book
called Yoga Use and Reincarnation that's not even out there anymore. And my yoga teacher was
talking about alpha state. So I said, all right, let me see if I can put myself in an alpha state
through breathing. So I'm going through it. And then you know, I feel it. And to me, it felt like
getting a rush from marijuana back in those days before marijuana became so strong. This is the
old time marijuana. I said, okay. So all right. Did that been there? Done that? Not interested. So now I'm
trying to fall asleep again. And then I said, oh, you know, I read this book about the universal mind.
This is a unified field. Okay, but they call it the universal mind back there. Maybe I can connect
to the universal mind if I just really focus. So I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, let me wire
into the universal mind. All of a sudden my head becomes like a radio or a citizen span radio.
And I'm hearing conversations and I'm zoning it on this conversation between two guys in New
York giving a review of a play. And I'm going, oh my God, I'm turning the channel. Let me turn this off.
This is crazy. I can't deal with this. So then I thought, oh no, now it's twiddling my thumbs,
you know, doing this thing. And well, I can't bother to leave my cap off. So then I said, well, maybe
I wonder if I could send out energy. And I'm focused in between my eyebrows. I don't know this is
the Agina Center. I don't know nothing about anything. I'm just saying, I'm an Imagine Energy
leaving my body. And I'm just like, it was back in silly. And so I'm concentrating and concentrating.
And the next thing I know, I hear this really high pitched air hiss in my ears.
Like when Superman was flying through the air. And the next thing on it, bang, I am out of my
body going through a great tunnel. And I don't know where the heck I'm going. And I'm like, holy smokes,
what if I can't get back and bang, I pull myself back into my body.
Well, what was that? You know, you had no idea where you were going. You might not have come back.
Oh, I sat there for a minute and I wonder if I could do it.
So I tried again. This time, my bed started shaking. The wind was blowing around my room. And then
I was gone through that. And I said, you, well, you make no plan about where you want to go. You're
in the same way you were getting yourself back there. So I pulled myself back. What just happened to me?
I have to write this down exactly what happened because if it's in the morning, I'll think I'm dreaming.
So I get up, pull out my journal. I start writing 245-8-8-8. It described the whole situation.
Then my fiance came in at the time and I told him all about it. I was afraid to go to sleep.
I was afraid I'd leave my body. I didn't know what was going to happen.
They're right, naturally.
You know, you know? I know. So then he leaves for that. He leaves after a week. And I mean, I told
every breathing soul about this. And then my friend, Vernon, calls me. I said, oh, Vernon, I got to tell you
what happened to me. I have to tell you Vernon's black. So he said, well, I have to tell you what happened to me.
I said, okay. He said, I was coming home. I have been drinking, but I was not drunk.
And I walked into the farmhouse. He was living on some hippie-dippy farmhouse, fun thing.
And he said, I walked into the farmhouse. And all of a sudden, this wind rushed through the farmhouse.
The picture started spinning on the wall. He said, I'm a black man. But I turned white that night.
What? What time did this happen? He stood around 2.45 a.m. Whoa.
And I heard it. I think that was me coming.
What I think happened was I was so worried. I'd never let a friend down before. I was so worried
about him that I was going there. Right? That's in the explanation I had. So again, I told everybody
about it that I went to Minnesota and I told other people about it and they said, you know, Elizabeth,
there's this doctor baker that is talking at the University of Minnesota on astral projection.
And we thought you might want to go. And because I had gotten a book to read about it, but I just
said, and I'm not going there. So him then when they told me about this, I said, okay, I'll go.
So I went and I went to see him and he talked about sleeping consciousness and that you could safely
do astral projection when you're asleep. This is what you do. Here's the protocol. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I wanted to know that I have a real astral projection experience. What the heck was this? So I'm
that he was taking appointments. Though I paid for an appointment and I met him at his hotel.
It was crazy because I'm in my 20s, right? And this guy me with his, in his pajamas and a robe and
some slippers and I'm thinking, oh, what the hell's going on here? But I sat down. He sat down. I told
him what happened to me. I said, what's this illegitimate spirit? He said it was and don't ever do it
like that. I said, why? He said because only the most practiced yogis do it and are able to do that.
And if you're not careful, you could someday be sitting in a chair being relaxed and your astral
body will leave thereby leaving you as an empty vehicle for any other traveling astral entity to
take over your body. And then you can, people are going to think your skin's a frantic.
So I said, really? And the movie, the exorcist had just come out that year.
And I said, that's it. I'm done. No, not going to go there. And I made the decision not to go there.
And that was, you know, in the early 70s. So, me, well, now I sense no that that's not necessarily true
and that it, there is a safe way to do it. But I, the whole thing with astral projection for me is
what's the purpose of it? How is it helping anybody? I didn't see it helping anybody. I didn't see any
purpose in it. So I just dropped it. Whereas with mediumship, what I'm doing is I'm providing
empowering and healing messages to the client about a departed loved one. And I can have the benefit
of seeing how that can truly help them. And that's why I've pursued this. And I've had some wonderful
experiences as a result of it. That's awesome. That's a perfect segue as well. I was wondering if we
could get some examples of some of these readings. I know even worked with Navy SEAL Jim Bern
as well as others. I'd love to hear just some stories that you have in practicing with these
individuals. Yeah. All right. Well, I'll tell you one story that this is an interesting one. This
is how you know you're not making it up. I was, well, I was practicing with another medium. And she
happened to be in London. And I had connected with, I think it was her uncle or her grandfather. I don't
exactly remember. And my process is to connect, give you, I'm an evidential medium. So I give you five
to seven pieces of evidence. Then you have to verify whether or not you understand what I'm talking
about. Once you understand and think you know who's come forward, then I will give you a memory
that only the two of you share. And then I finalize that with the message. And that concludes the
reading. So in her case, I had connected with her uncle and he was giving, he was about to give me
a message and a memory. And then she was in London. I think I told you that. So I said,
he's doing something. Putting his hands with mouth and going, BUSHA. BUSHA. I said, I've never heard that word.
Does that when you would you understand that? She said, well, even though I'm living in London,
I'm really from Poland or Romania. I don't know exactly. And she said, in our language, BUSHA means kisses.
That's an exact, a perfect example. He was sending her kisses. Another situation happened where
there was a woman who I read for and her husband had passed. I said, I see a man who's about 50,
describe him. I describe him completely. I said, he passed suddenly. I think of a heart attack.
And I think this was your husband. And she said, yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. So then I shared a memory with her.
Then he played, I said, he played the guitar. And I said, you used to go camping every weekend. But
nothing, Ted, this was like a camper parked in like the grass on the lawn or something like that. She
tells me you would have no idea about this. But we had a camper that we had on our property. And I
said, then you'd build a fire up like a bonfire. And then you had these like little lawn chairs
sitting next to it. And she said, that's exactly what we did. And that camper was parked on our
property. And every weekend we'd go and stay at the camp. So then she said to me, this came so fast.
I said, well, since there's some time left, do you have any questions? She said, well, I'd like to know.
If anything precipitated his death. I said, are you asking me that somebody might have had a hand
in his death? Because I do not get that. And she said, well, not exactly. I said, well, that what do you
mean? And she said, well, I said, you weren't there when he died. And she said, no, he was out of town
at a hotel. But he was with his, my stepson, his son, who has mental issues. So I said, okay, I'll ask him.
So I asked him. And he tells me, no, darling. I said, did he call you darling? Not darling. And she said,
yes. I said, he said, no, darling. My son had nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, I was more
concerned that he would freak out when he found my body. That's what he does to me. He had nothing to do
with it. I'll get this. He said, and you're not, you're supposed to, you know, be to treat people with
reverence. And so I can't hate myself. I said, your husband has quite a sense of humor. He said, no,
my ticker just ran out of talks. I called four cardiologists after this. And I said, have you ever
heard the expression, my ticker just ran out of talks? They said, never. There you go. All right. So
that's an example. There's just been all kinds of situations where, oh, here's one for you.
I was on a shoot. I did a film. We did a volunteer film for this one woman who was, I don't know,
I was there. Anyway, there was, I'm an amateur. And the other person that came was a real actress.
Okay, I mean, she's a professional. Not anyone you would know, but she's, but had a lot of small parts
all on the way. She's a black woman attractive, maybe around 50. He found out I was doing this. And she
said to me, would you, I'd like to have a reading with you. I said, okay, sure. So the first thing I say to her
is I'm looking at what I'm seeing. Okay, anything. I'm just going to, uh,
I see a black man in like the jungle with the spear. And I'm gone. I cannot tell her this because it's
going to come across racist. So I say, well, I see a man who appears to have passed at around the age of
50, who is totally, I see very handsome and he's totally ripped. I mean, he has physique. That's amazing.
And I said, now this is what I saw. Then I started to feel I said, he walks with such confidence.
Almost warrior like, would you understand any of this? She's not, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I said, okay, let me go back and get some more. And I said, he's saying something about Panther,
something about Panther, Black Panther. She said, I never had anything to do with a political group,
Black Panthers. I said, no, it's like, kind of Panther. She said, are you talking about Wakanda?
Chadwick Boseman? You know who Chadwick Boseman is. Jared, I don't personally. Okay, Chadwick Boseman.
Well, Chadwick Boseman is an actor who passed a colon cancer in his late 40s.
Who was the star of Wakanda, Black Panther and also was in the fantastic four kinds of movies.
Gotcha.
So I said, well, let me see. And I said, you know what? That's who this looks like. And then I got,
I said, let me ask, are you Chadwick Boseman? And I got the chills completely through my body.
I said, yes, it's Chadwick Boseman. She said, I knew Chad. I said, you knew him?
So how?
She said, you know, we used to go to auditions all the time before his career blew up with
Wakanda and the fantastic four. He was a really great guy. And then he got married and so we just
went our separate ways. But why would he be coming forward? I said, well, whoever comes forward,
as I told you in the beginning is for your greatest good. He obviously has something he needs to tell
you. So we'll find out what that is. I said, but first we have to do a shared memory.
So I said, he's showing me a film set with like the two actors chairs.
She said, we were never out of film together. We never did a film together.
So I said, okay, I'll ask for a different memory. Then he shows me the two of them having lunch
at one of these kinds of restaurants where there's an outdoor seating along the side or there's
a glass overhead where you feel like it's overhead. I said, you were having lunch and L.A. together.
That's what he's showing me. He said, she said, you know what? We didn't have lunch and L.A.
I said, well, there you go. So then I gave her her message, which was private. And then as we deep
brief, she said, you know, he was such a stand-up guy. Just always so nice. And she said, as a matter of
fact, he asked me to do a project with him. But I wasn't available. I don't remember what went on,
but we did never wound up doing that project. So he said, he asked you to do a project. I said,
let me say that that memory he shared with me of the two of you on a film set was to remind you
that he asked you to be on a project. Okay. So that was amazing to me. Just to me. Wow.
And then finally, I will share with you my experience with up and down. How will he doing on time?
We're good. We're a little over an hour right now. But yeah, please, please feel free to continue.
So the other one is I did, when I was at a psychic fair, someone asked me, did I do pets? I said,
no, I never have. And she was so disappointed. And I thought, you know, pets are sentient beings.
Seems to be it would still work, but I wasn't going to charge anywhere for something I never did before
and I wasn't comfortable with that. So I took a course on animal communication. Okay. And then I,
oh, no, actually, before I took that course, I said, when I'm Facebook and I went to my friends,
I said, listen, somebody asked me to do this. I need to get some practice and anybody willing to
let me talk to one of your deceased pets. Let me know. So eight people came for no charge. I said, eight
people came forward. Of the eight, I was able to connect with seven of them. But the two of them,
the most poignant was one. This got this. I want you to connect with Bella, my border colleague. So I
say, okay, Bella, I connect. I said, Bella was black and white. She said, that's right. I said,
Bella is showing me she's wearing a red ribbon and a bell around her neck. She said, no, she never did that.
Never had that. I said, okay, let me see what else she has to say.
Bella's showing me a ball of yarn. How I'd for a dog. She said, oh my gosh, I think you're connected to
Bella the cat. I said, are you telling me you had a dog and cat named Bella? She said, well, this
Bella the cat died 50 years ago. I said, okay, let me talk to Bella the cat. And I was wearing
hornarm glasses at the time. And I was drawn to them. And I said, Bella was calico. She said, that's
right. Said, you didn't have Bella when we both lived in Ohio. And she said, no, she, Bella died
50 years ago. We lived elsewhere. So I said, well, let me see what she has to say about it.
I said, Bella said something about New York. She said, well, it was actually Washington DC,
but East Coast close enough. I'll take it. I said, okay, let me see what Bella has to say.
And that said, oh, Bella is not happy with you. I don't normally say anything negative, but this was
funny. I said, she goes, what do you mean? I said, she says, you have a lot of nerve giving a dog
my name. So we both live. Now the one that was most interesting was my colleague who has pet
donkeys. Now I don't know anything about donkeys. All I know is a mule is brown. And that's all I know.
But I said, all right, I'll connect with the donkey. So the first thing and the donkey's name was
Winston. I said, okay, so what? I said Winston was brown. She goes, no, Winston wasn't brown. So I said,
okay. And then I thought, oh, I'm getting into my head. I'm not connected because I get this image.
I said, I'm getting that image of a donkey wearing a straw hat. The two ears coming out. So classic
and corny. I'm sorry. I don't think I'm connected. She goes, oh, I understand that. I said, you do. What do you
mean? She said, I used to dress him up in costumes all the time. So sometimes they speak to you in
symbols. Okay. So I said, okay. Now I want you to watch my mouth. So I'm thinking I'm sitting there
and all of a sudden I did this. I said, was something going on with Winston with his mouth, his lip,
his gum, or his teeth or something like that? She goes, you're in the right place. Want me to tell you,
I said, no, you don't tell me to, it's my job to figure it out. So I'm sitting there and all of a
sudden loud as can be I hear the word tobacco. I said, tobacco, Winston's now saying tobacco. Would
you understand that? She goes, yep. I said, are you telling me the Winston-Chute tobacco? She said, no,
he did not. You want me to tell you? I said, listen, you know what I'm talking about. I don't know what
I'm talking about. You can tell me. She said, Winston passed of oral cancer. So if you think about it,
people who chew tobacco oftentimes get oral cancer. So he showed me his mouth. He made my,
he made that happen to my mouth. Okay. Right. And then he brought in tobacco.
As further evidence that it was oral cancer. In a million years, would never think of a donkey
getting oral cancer. All right. Right. That's, that's, that's insane. Now, when you're in these,
when you're in this state, are you in like a meditative state? What's, what's, what's sort of your,
your protocol and getting these images or hearing these words? Are your eyes closed? Are you in?
Well, sometimes. Okay. First of all, I take about three minutes to go through a protocol to get
myself connected. All right. To get the link. And then I usually look to the right because that
connects me to my right brain to get myself out of my logical brain left. Okay. And then I'm waiting.
Sometimes I'll close my eyes, but most of the time is something. Sometimes I'll close my eyes,
but not always. I can, you have to understand what I see. I see in my mind. I don't see, I see
subjectively. I don't see objectively like images right in front of me. Right. But I got to tell you
that tobacco came in like a blackst. Okay. To a back. He also said, I said, now he's saying 25.
Do you understand that? She said, yes, he passed when he was 25. I said, now he says,
fine, I don't understand why I'm getting this. It's not up to me to interpret. All right. It's up to
the client to interpret. It's down, getting five. And she said, yeah, I understand that there were five
donkeys in the herd. Wow. So, you know, it's, it's just, it just happens. Now, there are times and I
have to say that I got nothing. I try to connect and I get nothing happens to all mediums. Okay.
So, when that happens, and let's say I have a client and that happens, you always feel terrible
because you know, these people paid. And so, what I say to this client, look, I'm not able to connect.
I don't know why it's nobody spoke. It's just not connecting. So, all we're going to, what we're
going to do is we're going to reschedule. Who knows? The moon could be bad. The tides are too high.
Who knows why it is what it is. But I, my experience tells me we reschedule everything will be fine.
And that's happened a few times and everything's fine afterwards. We reschedule and it's okay. Nobody
gets blamed for anything. It is what it is. But I have to say it is, it is so cool. When, um,
we talked about symbols. I connected with my darling companion with him. Oh, I have to tell you,
well, I'll tell you another one later. And I said, I see a tall fellow and he is quite attractive
and very neatly, very neat in his attire. Um, almost looks like he's in my darling companion has,
Grant was a graduate of the Naval Academy. So I didn't want to say he's in a naval uniform because
then he'll think that I got it from him. So I just said, you know, describe him. And he said, I think I
know who you're talking about. As I just, he said, I can't imagine why he came forward. I said, he
died like in his 30s in it, you know, early, very early. And, um, I said, he's taking comses here and
then he takes the colonies, putting it to his mouth, said, which I understand he played the harmonica.
And he said, yes, he played the harmonica. So again, it's a symbol. He didn't pull out of harmonica,
but the call to his mouth. So I was up to the sitter, the client to understand what I was talking about.
I had another situation and this is fairly recent. I was in Chicago visiting a friend of mine
who I've known since I've been 14. And I was very, she's also a coach for the Honor Foundation. And I,
I said to her, you know, I'd be happy to read you because we were staying at her house. And she said,
well, I just got to notice that the Honor Foundation wanted a donation. I want to make a donation to them.
I said, well, make it through my readings. And then everybody's happy. I said, okay, fine. So I said,
I'm a little nervous because I knew your grandparents and your brother's sister and I knew your mother.
I didn't know her father because her father had passed away before I had met her. Her mother was a pistol.
Her mother looked like Lucille Ball. Her name was BB. So the first thing that happened was I connected
and I saw her grandmother. And the love that her grandmother was extending out to her was such love
sending this to her. And I could feel it and I recognized it from my own experiences. I knew that.
And then I said, you want me to connect with your father and she said, yes, if you could.
So I called upon him to see if he would come forward. And he did. And the first thing he said was,
I adored my wife. Now, BB, who I knew and very much loved and had passed away about 10 years ago.
And he said, I adored my wife. She was be malicious.
Then other things came out and he says, Susie was a surprise. I said, why would he say Susie was a surprise.
That about now. Susie was the youngest child. It was her. There was the brother and then my friend.
And she said to me, well, you know, Susie was born after my father passed. I said,
didn't have. How would I know that? And because I didn't meet Susie until she was seven, you know,
five, six years old. So I didn't know that. And I said, is it possible that your mom never told him?
Let me think about that. Well, apparently the dad had got very sick and was about to die five years
prior to his actual death. Okay? Maybe three or four years prior. And she was pregnant then. And the
position that to her, you can't have this child. You have two children already. Won't have a husband.
You cannot have three children. There's no way you could take care of it. You're going to have to
do something about it, which she then did. All right? That's sequently. He did not die.
And then she got pregnant again. But this time she miscarried. And time goes on. And now he gets sick again.
And he dies. She may have been pregnant right around the time she goes, she, my friend counted. She said,
I think my mother was only two months, maybe three months pregnant. She may not have known she was pregnant.
She may have been so distressed that if her period stopped because her husband was sick, she didn't know.
They didn't have those tests back then, like they do now. She either didn't know, or she may not
have told him because she didn't want him to be upset. All right? How would I know that?
Wow. For sure. Was a surprise. What an odd thing to say. You say, so you know, you know,
find these things that it was just really interesting. So that's how it goes.
Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. These types of stories make it, you know, pretty,
pretty hard to refute with details to that minutia without a doubt. I was curious as well. And I don't
know if this is more of like a dark turn to the conversation, but I was wondering if you can channel
even not great entities and what your thought was on that because you're calling upon, you know,
relatives or siblings or loved ones or even animals. Is there any sort of other realm to that
of other entities you've encountered when I connect? And I have very clear boundaries. Nothing
is allowed to enter my sphere that isn't invited. And if I were to bring, and I tell my clients this,
if I bring forward somebody you don't want to talk to, maybe they want to talk to you because
they want forgiveness or they want to tell you, but you're not ready to do that. You just tell me
and I'll politely ask them to step back and say, you're not ready and you're not try again in
another time. That's how we handle that kind of thing. But I have one word to tell you. This is an
answer. This was a live animal. I had taken this course and I not really tried it with live animals.
So I just, I was at the same friend in Chicago and we went to her daughter's house and the daughter had
this big black cat. And this big black cat also had a brother. And the brother was shy. The big black
cat came out and I went, oh, you're so beautiful. You're so beautiful. And because we're told to tell the cat,
compliment the cat and say all this kind of stuff if we want to communicate and how we're supposed to
look at it and everything. So he steps me a little bit and then he kind of walks away and then he comes
back and the next thing I know he wants to jump on my lap. But in doing so with his claws in my thigh,
he has a big cat. He needed to get leverage. All right. And just, the, the, the daughter takes the cat away
and says, oh, I'm so sorry. I said, but he didn't meet it. I said, that's okay. I said, the cat, that's okay.
I know you didn't meet. Next thing I know the cat's on the counter, the kitchen counter. And I came up to him
and I went to pat him from the back of his head to his behind. And when a cat, when an animal
presents their rear to you, it shows trust because they don't, they don't have to be looking at you, right?
So I'm patting my, oh, you're so handsome. I'm saying all this stuff to him. And he's like this to me. Okay,
you got this. And then he goes, I said, you got something you want to say to him? Is there something you
want to tell me? And he tells me something and I say to her daughter, he just said, my brother deals my
food. And she goes, oh my god. How did you know that? I said, no, what? She said, that has been a perennial
problem with the two of them. For the past three or four months, this one had gotten sick and he's
always stealing his food. We have to hide it in another room and she goes on and on and on. So the story,
there you go. How would I know? That is wild. Well, I don't, well, thank you so much for sharing those
stories. I mean, it just, it really just is a mind opener. I mean, to really just, you know, our
connection to not only people here, far away, even animals, I just really, I think even comes
even to like the quantum entanglement and sort of our connection to information into everyone and
everything. And if you have a certain level of aptitude to be able to resonate or tune into the
frequency of whatever being that that is, even if it's like in the chat in this case, can receive
that type of communication, which is so interesting. But on my end, I think really the last question I had
before we potentially wrap this up for you was kind of transitioning from, you know, loved ones and
family potentially to guides. What's your thoughts on, you know, what is a spirit guide? Is it
potentially just the the source consciousness of, you know, giving you guidance or do you think there's
actual, you know, entities and what are those entities that are giving you guidance and kind of
shed some light on what you believe more broadly about the spirit guide aspect.
My guides are actual entities. I don't see them in front of me. I see them in my mind, okay? And
I have a lot of, I've got three that look like praying mantises. I know it's crazy. One that is
a dragon. The three praying mantises are Alex, Armand and Robard. You hear praying mantises a lot
in DMT reports. What are DMT reports? DMT, like dimethyl triptamine, you know, the compound that
creates the out of body psychedelic experiences at the pineal gland produces DMT. Really? I didn't know
that. I didn't know that. Oh, you should definitely DMT is a whole rabbit hole. You can fall down. It's
it's a hallucinogen quote unquote, you know, but it's a psychedelic that I think it's like a one
of the most powerful frequency tuners that allows you to access higher realms and talk to those
entities and sometimes take shape as like praying mantises is like a very, very common. I did not
know. Okay, so here's how I nap them. I nap them well over 10 years ago when I was at the Monroe
Institute taking a gateway course and I naped them and I was going up to a certain level. They have
a different protocol and I saw them. I just went, I ran back on this elevator. I'm going to
so and I didn't tell anybody in my class what I had seen because it freaked me out. So then I went
back up again and I said, I'm sorry guys that I was so rude but it was like such a scared me to see
I didn't know. They were sitting around the table playing cards. Now come on. I just like, you know,
so they said, well, we can change into whatever for me want. You want us to look like Gregory
Peck? We could look like Gregory Peck. If you want, I said no, that would not be fair. You have to
look like who you are. And then they said, well, maybe this will help. This is hysterical.
They, you know what Jiminy Crickets looks like? How he had like a tuxedo over his cricket outfit.
You know, he had no, I know of the name but not of the visual. Jiminy Crickets is from,
was Jiminy Crickets. Let's see from one of the Disney whatever. Anyways, they changed where they're
wings are where they're just so they're wearing tuxedos with a bow tie and dirt arms are
looks like crazy. So I said, okay, if that works, all right. Then I also have another one
that is Dragoon. He's a dragon. I gave him the name Dragoon. I asked what is the name of this is Dragoon.
And then there is Angeline who is the angel, the loving angel and she's my medium guide. And then I
have four others. One is Liam and he's wearing a robe and he kind of looks like he has a look of Jesus
but he's not Jesus, okay? And then there's there is, I can't take this name but he looks like Jeremy
Iirans, the actor. Then there's Leila and she looks like Sally Struthers and she's the short little one.
Liam is wisdom. Jeremy is, his name is not Jeremy. I can't take it black.
It's scabbing me this minute and she has to do his relationship and then there's Scout which is a dog.
And how are you experiencing them? Is this in like meditations when you're when you're in meditation
when I have one or states and it's Athena. Athena. Yeah. So there's a bunch of them. And then I have
do you know what a Merkabit is? Okay. So I meet with them when I want to talk to them. I
all call them into that. Well, basically if I'm meditating what I will do is I would say who's there?
Who would like to talk? What is it that I need to know right now? So whoever decides to come forward
comes forward. Sometimes I invite them all into the Merkabit and we sit around and we chat.
You know, it's during meditation. What do I need to know or if I have a question that I want to ask
them? How should this best be addressed? I had a situation. It was very interesting. I had a situation
in a class where I had a meltdown because I felt like I didn't perform well. All right. And I
and I felt that I was misled by someone in the class who gave me the wrong information so I couldn't
do what I needed to do. And this person had indicated to me that should make a difference once you're
connected, you're connected. And I said, well, I was very straight forward that these people in these
classes, they're not used to people calling it as is. I'm a business person calling it as it is. And I
said, look, let's not, I said, I hear you. I tend not to agree with you. So let's move on. Let's
not belabor this issue and let's move on. Chew on. This kind of thing. It's like, I'm done talking
about this now. I get it. Let's move on. There's no point belaboring it. Now the whole class,
everybody's like nervous like, oh my god. So I was not happy about this. And I wasn't, I'm thinking
very rarely am I that abrupt with somebody, but she was getting on my nerves. And I just, I said,
okay, so I meditated on that. I went to my guides and the first thing they said to me is we
watched the tape when it comes out, then decide how you're going to handle it. And I did. And as I watched
the tape, I realized that I was being overly sensitive and she was just trying to be help.
And that, you know, it's so I got unmapped. But that was the gongins that I got. I mean, we're not
perfect. I mean, that's just the way it is. And I wound up in the next class thanking all of my
classmates for being supportive and complimenting her on her effort to help me with this. And that it
was a perfect teachable moment. And I appreciate it. That's the way to hip, okay. But without having had
that advice from my guides, I might have still harbored this egg that I had because I didn't have the
ability at that moment to, um, to distance myself. He gave myself several days. The tape was out. I
looked at it. I was wronged. And the story. If you believe that, oh, I was curious if you believe that
everyone has these guides, whether they're aware of it or not, and have the ability or access to
connect with them. Is it take practice? Do to visualize them. Do you have to have create an image of
of them in your own mind? So you can kind of have a conceptualization or is it just something that
becomes apparent in those deep meditative states? Is it, if you don't mind, shut in some light on
this kind of how maybe the everyday person watching this might be able to try to create that
connection and get that very valuable guidance? Well, the way that I found my guides was through
meditation. And I asked who are my guides. And I waited. That's all I can tell you. I waited. And then
they appeared in my mind, where I heard things in my head. That's all that I did because it's
interesting when our teacher first told us to find our, try to connect with your guides. This was
my first class. Guides. What kind of guides? I'm going to get to these guides out. Oh, we meditate.
Well, how do I meditate? Well, see, this is where you have to have some training on how to exactly
meditate, how to put yourself in that role. And so, you know, I'm listening to binaural beats and
I'm waiting, I'm waiting, and I'm getting bored. You know, I say, what the hell? Where is it? And then,
it happened. You know, it just takes, I mean, you have to be patient. That's, that's the thing.
Yeah, I think that was a whole melting pot of variables there that the patients and sort of the
detachment, the binaural beats, like balancing your brain waves and the left and the right
hemispheres of your brain and just being open to receiving and sending out the clear intention,
put in the message, message in the bottle, if you will, and casting it out and not being attached to
how aware when it happens and just letting that sort of contact happen. So, no, I think that that
lines up even very well with just like quantum physics and, you know, people even like Dr.
Joseph Benza's and those thought leaders as well. But, tell me the name of this. Excuse me. What's the
name of that book that you told me the red book that you had done them when I read it down. It is called
Irreducible by Federico Fisign. And he, this is basically his master work on his theory on
consciousness. And if I do say so myself, I think out of everyone I've, I've studied, I think he
is the closest to having it nailed for what is consciousness and how to essentially derive
3D spacetime from consciousness and from sort of qualia, if you will,
it versus deriving consciousness from matter, which has been the predominant view forever
with what he calls, you know, "scientism," which is just another religion. You know, it's just called
science, but in reality it's a religion of the lack of spirituality, which is that things are just
billiard balls, cause and effect forces, you know, things are of these little building blocks of atoms,
create bigger and bigger stuff. And there's nothing more. And we're sort of these nihilistic, you know,
meat suits wandering this, the space rock. And that's really all there is to it. And, you know,
consciousness just is this emergent property of millennia and of evolution. And all the sudden,
consciousness booted up because we got complex enough and neurons emerged and here we are. And I think
with the new paradigm is the opposite and his is really a proof on that, which is that matter
comes from consciousness. Consciousness is the fundamental substrate. And there's other thought
leaders like Donald Hoffman, at the front of him, another guy, if you have it, definitely add him to
your bucket list, the book, the case against reality. That is another key to another consciousness
is fundamental scientists. He's a cognitive neuroscientist. I think he's a UC Irvine or somewhere,
some UC. Yeah, cause there's really just a whole new kind of in summary, an entirely new paradigm
emerging as that's why I'm so excited about quantum physics is because it's flipping the script to what
perennial philosophies have been saying forever, you know, across the board. And we're finding from a
quantum mechanical standpoint that perhaps consciousness itself is fundamental and space time is a
projection, you know, of consciousness to some extent through very complex sort of emergent,
quantum mechanics. But I think the stories like yours and experiences that you have, you know,
on a microcosm scale of that are just opening this broader channel. If there is this field of consciousness
that is pervasive and you can tap into that and you access other realms or other dimensions,
if you will, you know, we know this is not all there is, right? There's radio waves flying through
the air right now. There's gamma waves, there's neutrinos passing through your body from the sun
right now. You know, there's infinite seas of soup of reality that we just have no
ability to perceive it all. And so I think it's becoming just more and more clear through quantum
mechanics that consciousness is fundamental. So yeah, not to go too, too, uh, around, around about
there, but long story short, no, I really appreciate Elizabeth, you know, all of your time and your insights
today on the quantum theory podcast. And I know our listeners will get a lot of value from this. And
really just get some really firsthand testimony for, you know, really that there's just so much more
than meets the eye, you know, and I think it's, it's inspiring to help open people's minds and, you
know, send them, give them the extra confidence, send them down their own, you know, spiritual journey,
which is, which is the whole mission here. So just to wrap up, I'd love this to give the audience any,
any ways to get in touch with you, whether that's, you know, a reading or whether that's your,
your socials or website. Of course, we can plug all that into description, but I love it. If you
want to get quick second to let everyone know how to get in touch with you. The best way to get in
touch with me would be to go to my website, which is www dot Elizabeth ELI Z A B T H
freed F R I E D dot com forward slash media. That will get you to my media website.
Wonderful. Awesome. And once again, we'll plug all that in to the description of this video here.
But Elizabeth, thank you so much again. It's been such a pleasure chatting with you. And maybe
you have the end again, I learned a few stuff too, which is great. So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate.
Absolutely. Take care and bye now. Bye. Take care.
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