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All of these people were somehow connected to the house.

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That is really weird.

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It's very strange.

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Weird for sure, and I hate it.

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It's giving, let's play with a Ouija board on this native burial ground on Friday the 13th,

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and then just not remember to say goodbye.

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But that wasn't all there was to the story of this house.

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And it's particularly dark laden energy.

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Hi Cassie.

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Hi Caitlyn.

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Hi creepy people.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Oh, I'm still keeping it spooky.

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Why?

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All October.

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She's drunk on pumpkin spice.

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I literally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Two sips in and you're like, yeah, drunk on pumpkin spice.

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I am basic white bitch wasted.

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Yeah.

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As basic as it gets.

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Oh yeah.

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Who are we again?

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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, we chat about true crime, the paranormal,

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and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.

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Do you know what else we do?

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What?

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We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight, intuition,

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whatever you want to say into our topic.

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Oh yeah.

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I'm glad you remembered that.

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I always remember that.

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I never remember anything.

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So it's the best part.

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Yeah.

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Here we are.

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Just get to the end.

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Yeah.

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Or just kidding.

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Or don't.

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You could just listen to the whole episode.

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It really.

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It's great when we get those high completion rates.

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Anyways, should we just get right into our topic today?

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Yeah.

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I'm really excited.

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I know that it's rare.

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I know it is.

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I feel as though it may be unearned, but we'll see.

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I know.

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I feel like I'm going to regret saying that.

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Yeah.

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But basically, in Southeast Portland, there is a home that one neighbor interviewed by

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local television station, Koin 6, says, "has changed hands a number of times."

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I wonder why.

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Well, I mean, probably not particularly remarkable on the surface when one considers

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that many of the homes in the Moreland neighborhood were built in the 1920s or 30s.

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Ooh.

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So in all likelihood, many of them have changed hands many a time.

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That's like a hundred years.

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It is, like a hundred years.

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Man.

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One family lived there happily for roughly four years in the mid-90s.

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Pictures of what seemed to be a normal family home in Portland were featured in the YouTube

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video produced by the same television network for broadcast.

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Ooh.

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Coin6?

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Yes.

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This home is at the corner of 36th and Lambert.

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I have no idea where that is, but that's okay.

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That's a Moreland neighborhood.

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I don't know where that is either.

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My mom does.

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I'm sure she's listening.

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She's like, "Hey, no, wait, that is."

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She's like, "I drive by that all the time."

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Don't drive by it.

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Don't do that.

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Don't go near it.

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Just don't deal.

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Deal.

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In the summer of 1989, 34-year-old mother, Vicki Lynn Cutsforth killed her two young children.

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Myra Cutsforth, age 10, an Abigail Cutsforth, age 7.

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Oh, that is, I'm not excited anymore.

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I take it back right now.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, I thought the turner-on would be rather swift.

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Dang it.

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Both had been shot in the head.

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After killing her daughter's, Vicki then turned the gun on herself.

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That is just so fucking sad.

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When Detective David Simpson made an official statement on behalf of the Portland police bureau,

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the autopsy's were pending, but it was believed that the family had been dead for only about

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She was connected to another infamous gunman from the Salem area of Oregon.

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Lawrence W. Moore.

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Have we talked about him?

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We actually kind of have.

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Oh.

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Yeah, this is about to get really weird.

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I like weird.

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Well, I don't know if you like this brand of weird.

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Quit ruining it.

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I'm sorry.

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Not sorry.

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Taken from the UPI archives, dating back to September 7, 1989, the headline read, "Murder

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Suicide Mom Related to Maskiller."

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Oh, wow.

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What a headline.

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Mm-hmm.

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In the U.S. and Oregon, a registered nurse who shot and killed her two young daughters

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and then herself was the sister of a man serving a life term for killing four people and

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wounding 20 others in a 1981 tavern shooting police said.

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The woman was also heavily involved with psychics and believed in channeling with dead spirits.

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A police spokesman said on Wednesday.

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So, you know, it's not the worst we've seen, but definitely dripping with some pretty

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icky, verbiage there.

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So, let's talk about the connection, though, just briefly.

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Are we going to get back to this spirits thing?

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Uh, well, no, not really.

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Why?

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What does that have to do with anything?

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That's the whole point, right?

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What does it have to do with anything?

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It's a little bit too much to make her look like she's deranged or she's, you know, crazy,

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which I'm, you know, somewhat argue that to kill your own children, you'd have to be a

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little crazy, but something was wrong, yes, but it didn't have to do with, right, spirits.

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Doesn't have anything to do with that that I'm aware of.

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On May 8, 1981, Lawrence, a 20-year-old man with a brain defect entered the Oregon

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Museum Tavern and began shooting.

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Oh my gosh, that's so terrifying.

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Yes.

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In less than a minute, four people were suddenly slain and 20 more were injured.

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That shooting took place at the Oregon Museum Tavern, a bar that has further connections

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to other violent crime.

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What is going on?

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Right.

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I would like to know.

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It's like a threat of crime.

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We've talked about it in another previous episode of the show, so I could literally go on

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and on, but we can only talk at so many threads here, people, because holy hell of a sweater.

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Wow.

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That's weird.

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I just said thread in the mirror just talking about threads.

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Sweat away the, it is.

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Yes.

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So there's a series of crimes that all appear to be unrelated based on all of the facts

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at least that I have, and yet they seem eerily intertwined.

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Not by the evidence, but by the people's lives that became commingled by violence, and all

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of them had something to do with this house in Southeast Portland.

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If maybe only tangentially, but all of these people were somehow connected to the house.

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That is really weird.

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It's very strange.

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Weird for sure, and I hate it.

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It's giving, let's play with a Ouija board on this native burial ground on Friday the 13th,

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and then just not remember to say goodbye.

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Sounds fun to me.

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Well, it's the 14th year too fucking late.

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You are shit out of luck.

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You know I don't believe that Friday the 13th is bad luck.

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Okay, but if you're already doing all of that others, are you, like, it's like you want

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to give me a stroke, you know?

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It's like you want me to die.

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I really don't.

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Please don't.

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You know what I'm picturing though?

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I got this strong visual when you were talking about the house is like the middle of a spider

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web.

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I'm just picturing spider webs just attaching to everyone who has ever been in the house.

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No, anyway.

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That's what I'm seeing in my brain.

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But that wasn't all there was to the story of this house.

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And it's particularly dark laden energy.

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Later in 1992 when it was home to a midwife, Martha Browning Bryant Crouch tragedy would

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strike again.

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Martha Browning Bryant Crouch.

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Most of the time you will see her identified as Martha Browning Bryant or Martha Bryant,

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but it's a combination of names and I don't know if maybe one of them was a married name,

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one of them, you know, made in oftentimes in situations where you're trying to identify

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who this person is online.

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You'll see where multiple names are tacked on so that those that knew them at various stages

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in their life.

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Well, no, who they're talking about.

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I was like, damn, what a name.

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You know, it is.

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See how I'm distracting her from talking about the bad stuff.

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It's not going to work.

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I heard tragedy and I was like, nah, we're going to talk about the name.

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Nah.

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Well, Martha was born September 11th of 1951 in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

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Her car, a VW bug.

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Don't worry.

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You know we're circling back to that.

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Okay.

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Is it a bug or a beetle?

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Caitlyn.

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It's a bug.

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It's a bug.

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It was discovered riddled with bullets in neighboring Washington County in the city of

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Hillsboro as a matter of fact.

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Oh, oh boy.

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Her body was found nearby just a couple hundred yards away.

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She was the second victim of a serial killer here in Oregon, primarily Caesar Francisco Barone.

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Just shooting up cars?

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No.

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We're going to get into it.

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Oh, go ahead.

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Okay.

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I know.

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She's like, why did I ask?

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The following was taken from the Oregon affiliate of the American College of Nurse Midwives.

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Okay.

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I'm going to take a breath because that is quite.

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I mean, I could have just gone with the acronym, but you got to say the whole thing so we

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know what it is.

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You do.

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You do.

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Oh, you've never heard of the...

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(Unpronounceable acronym)

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Yeah.

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I hear it every day.

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Martha was a treasured member of the Portland Midwifery community who was tragically murdered

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on her way home from a birth in 1992.

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Oh, wow.

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The Martha Browning Bryant Memorial lecture is an annual CME event that has been held

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for over 25 years to honor her memory and remember her spirit.

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Oh, that is really sweet.

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So Caesar shot at the car of midwife Martha Bryant.

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She was 41 at the time as she drove away from Tuality Hospital in Hillsboro.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Then he pulled the wounded woman from her car, sexually assaulted her, then shot her in

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the head at close range.

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Wow.

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Seriously?

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Someone who brings new life into the world and this is how she's taken from it?

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That's awful.

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I just, yeah.

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And on that night she had brought new life into the world.

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Yeah.

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Just seriously fucked.

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Anyway, 7734 southeast 36th has become known as the

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Portland Hell House.

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See, I liked it for that name.

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I thought it sounded really cool.

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Yeah, but you don't like the next part.

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Following the strange series of tragic circumstances that the inhabitants have found

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themselves in over the years, that part we like less.

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Yeah, that sucks.

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Yeah.

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And so, definitely for us, it is sort of a horrific mishmash of both of our genres.

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So there's, there's that.

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I feel like it's more yours, but yeah, as it turns out, it's a lot more mine.

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Yeah.

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Do you know what an even gelical Hell House is?

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It's like their version of a haunted house.

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So they basically just show you like people that had premarital sex, like dying in the middle

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of abortions and what the fuck?

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Dying of AIDS and oh my god.

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Having drug overdoses and that is terrible.

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Yeah.

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What the fuck?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because my next line was literally going to be, and we're not talking about the evangelical

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Christian haunted house, kind of Hell House.

285
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Again, seriously, you guys, we simply don't have the time.

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Go watch the Hell House documentary though.

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Okay.

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Here's the thing.

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I'm not quite done yet with the topic of Caesar Francisco Barone, which is, of course,

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not his real name.

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Oh, it's not.

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Nope.

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Oh, okay.

294
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It's one that he gave to himself because he was obsessed with Italian gangsters.

295
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Oh, okay.

296
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Yeah.

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So we're off to a really great start.

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Got it.

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He was born December 4th of 1960 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which, first of all, thanks a lot,

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Florida.

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Seriously, girl, what is your problem?

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She don't know.

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His given name was actually Adolph James Rode.

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Oh, I can't imagine why he didn't want to go by Adolph right?

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My next line, which, to be fair, I might have also changed, but that's besides a point.

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I can't mean just call him Adolph now though.

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I feel, it doesn't that feel like we should.

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Yeah.

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He was a violent and anti-social teenager that quickly developed problematic habits.

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When it came to both illicit drugs like meth, cocaine and LSD, in addition to just casual

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alcohol.

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Oh, so, just casual alcohol.

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Just casual alcohol.

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You think he could replace the meth with the booze, maybe?

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I do.

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You know.

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Probably, I don't think they work the same.

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I don't.

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I don't think the rest isn't that bad, but the meth, yay.

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I mean, whoofta.

321
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Yeah.

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As a teen, he also committed burglaries and assaults until he was arrested in the late

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1970s and did some time.

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So casual teen stuff.

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Yeah.

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Doing time.

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Doing time.

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But we apparently literally don't even make it to the 80s before he's released.

329
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So just to back this up, case you forgot in the last 20 seconds.

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It's arrested.

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Does some time.

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In the late 1970s.

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1980.

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1980 hasn't even rolled around yet.

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And he's out.

336
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OK.

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So he did time, but not very much time.

338
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No, not a lot.

339
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What?

340
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What in tarnetian?

341
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It's fine.

342
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Following his release, his reign of terror continued.

343
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He terrorized his former stepmother amongst others, and I do mean terrorized.

344
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I'm not going in depth on this.

345
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He's the worst.

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I say it every week, but you know, damn it if I don't mean it every time.

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OK.

348
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Now we made it to the 80s.

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In 1980, this dude now living his life under the name Caesar Francisco Barone.

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OK.

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It off.

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Ugh.

353
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Was sentenced again for several burglaries and imprisoned.

354
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So.

355
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Now, this is where for me personally, it reaches a fever pitch of weirdness in the story.

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Following his incarceration at a prison in Florida, he attempted to sexually assault a female

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prison guard.

358
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Wow.

359
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That's ballsy.

360
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Yeah.

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It was then that he was transferred to the Florida State Prison in Stark, where he apparently

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met Ted Bundy.

363
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Oh.

364
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OK.

365
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Which is like, you gross.

366
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It couldn't pay me, but I bet he thought that shit was pretty cool.

367
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Ugh.

368
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Hashtag.

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Hashtag never Bundy.

370
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But here this dude is popping up again.

371
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God, it's honestly like, where are you so obsessed with me?

372
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Seriously.

373
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It's kind of like, so obsessed with us.

374
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It's creepy.

375
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I don't like it.

376
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I know.

377
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And as always, the VW Bug/Bundy Association is strong.

378
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I told you we'd circle back, but I didn't say you'd like it.

379
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I just, I hate how it's like these common elements that they don't necessarily mean anything,

380
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but it just, it gives you an oaky vibe.

381
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For sure.

382
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OK.

383
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I needed to know that I wasn't crazy.

384
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No.

385
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Like, definitely not crazy.

386
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Researching this, I was just like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

387
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You guys should see her not crazy eyes right now.

388
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Oh, yeah.

389
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Well, a short time later, Adolph James Rode, because remember, that was his real given legal

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name up to this point, decided to rename himself Caesar Francisco Barone.

391
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And it's really gross that it seems like he was super thrilled to let everybody know how

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he met Ted Bundy.

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And he even tried to kind of insinuate that like, oh, yeah, I got tips from Ted that helped

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me avoid capture, which is like, really, you're going to take tips from Bundy on how not to

395
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get caught.

396
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Weren't they both caught at the time?

397
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Yeah.

398
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,880
Yeah.

399
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That was the final time that Bundy was caught, because Florida is where he was executed.

400
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,600
Man.

401
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Never meet your heroes.

402
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Then in 1988, things take a turn.

403
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Caesar married a woman named Kathy and surprise, moved to the Pacific Northwest.

404
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Did Bundy tell him to do that?

405
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,080
Right.

406
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Fuck her.

407
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,480
Just, they're just doing it to yuck our young, I think.

408
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He'd apparently been unable to hold down a job quickly running through numerous forms

409
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:49,120
of gainful employment in just a few months, which seems like something a lot of these guys

410
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haven't gone in.

411
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Yep.

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So in 1989, he decided to join the army and even received a shooting qualification for the

413
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M-16.

414
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,880
Which is just like, not super chill.

415
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,080
I know.

416
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,560
I don't like it.

417
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:18,000
He got a couple of badges, which literally makes him sound like an overgrown Cub Scout.

418
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,040
And for anyone else, being a parachutist and also earning a separate badge for first aid,

419
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that'd be freaking impressive.

420
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:32,240
But I'm forever unimpressed by whatever the fuck this guy's name is, was, whatever you want

421
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,280
to call him.

422
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:39,680
He participated in the U.S. invasion of Panama before the end of that same year.

423
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,920
And now I have that song stuck in my head forever.

424
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,920
No!

425
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,920
Panama!

426
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,920
No!

427
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,920
Yep.

428
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,760
And just like that, so do you.

429
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,160
Later he would brag about his heavy air quotes.

430
00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:02,520
Every exploits, stating that he had killed numerous Panamanians.

431
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,720
Like, not dude, that's just murder.

432
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,720
Wow.

433
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,960
Especially since he alleged that some of them were civilians.

434
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,960
Oh.

435
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,960
Yeah.

436
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,960
Why would you talk about that?

437
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,760
I don't know, but I feel like this is the serial killer equivalent of like, nice truck

438
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,760
dude, sorry about your dick.

439
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,760
Yeah.

440
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,760
You know what I mean?

441
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Yeah.

442
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,600
He killed some unarmed civilians at a time of war.

443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,720
He was accused of sexual misconduct as 1990 was first dawning.

444
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,240
Apparently he had exposed himself to a female officer, which, ugh.

445
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,000
I guess he only realized was a bad idea in hindsight.

446
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,240
Yeah, ex.

447
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:54,680
And no idea if the two events were related, but he was also discharged for lying

448
00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:01,000
about his felony conviction after serving several years in prison previously and changing

449
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,880
his identity.

450
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,040
So here's the thing though.

451
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:14,560
I really started to fall down a rabbit hole because I was like, are we serious?

452
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The military in one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

453
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,800
If not the wealthiest, I don't know.

454
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Are we?

455
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,800
Are we not?

456
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Who cares?

457
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,960
But we don't have the resources to do a proper background check.

458
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,200
I mean, even in the 90s, okay, sure.

459
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,840
Well, all right, let's say I can live with that.

460
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
I can't, by the way.

461
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,360
I'm certainly not an expert in the arena, but I don't know.

462
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:51,360
Maybe, maybe we do that before we hand people M16s.

463
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:57,000
I feel like that explains a lot about how the rest of the world sees us.

464
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,840
Like I have an idea, let's send a bunch of 19-year-olds that are basically barely equipped

465
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:09,600
to handle their own dicks in a restroom and also violent convicts abroad with guns.

466
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,440
Sounds good.

467
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,440
What could go wrong?

468
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:20,960
But I digress because this story isn't really about the military industrial complex.

469
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,720
It's about a lot of things, but somehow technically, not also that.

470
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,720
All right.

471
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,200
A lot of tangents.

472
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,200
Spiderweb.

473
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,600
It's a lot of threads.

474
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,600
Yeah.

475
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,800
Yeah.

476
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:46,680
From 1991 to 1993, Caesar, this bitch, Barone, that's my nickname for him, killed at least

477
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,840
four women in and around the Portland Metro area.

478
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:58,480
He also assaulted at least three other women that managed to survive in that same period

479
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,960
of time.

480
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:07,640
Law enforcement in both the state of Oregon and Florida suspect that he had other victims.

481
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Let's talk about the women that we do know are confirmed victims of his crimes.

482
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,560
Of course, we've already heard about Martha.

483
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Martha Bryant, that is.

484
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,640
She lived in our Portland hell house.

485
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,640
Okay.

486
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800
Yeah.

487
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,640
He also raped and strangled Martha Schmidt.

488
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:36,360
Two Martha's on April 18th of 1991.

489
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:41,720
She was a 61-year-old woman who lived alone in her home in Hillsboro, Oregon.

490
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Oh my God.

491
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,480
She entered her home and it was all downhill from there.

492
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,480
He sexually assaulted her and then smothered her with a pillow.

493
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,400
Martha's care worker sadly discovered her body the next day.

494
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,640
Worst of all in the case of this particular Martha was that I wasn't able to find much

495
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:13,960
information about Martha, either in life or related to her death beyond.

496
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,960
That.

497
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Okay.

498
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760
So that's always a little upsetting.

499
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Yeah.

500
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Martha's such a sweet name too.

501
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,280
He is so Martha.

502
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:34,840
During the early morning hours of December 30th, 1992, he kidnapped Chantee Woodman who was

503
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,640
his youngest confirmed victim at just 23.

504
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:48,480
He raped her, shot her and then carelessly dumped her body along US26 near Vernonia, a somewhat

505
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,960
rural area of Oregon to the west of Portland.

506
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,280
Yeah.

507
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,960
Especially back then it was more rural.

508
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,960
I'm sure.

509
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,960
I'm sure.

510
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,960
I'm a rural jackwriter.

511
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Yeah.

512
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Wow.

513
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:00,960
He's all over the place this guy.

514
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960
He really did.

515
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,160
And this is where it's kind of odd, but he didn't do it alone.

516
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,160
Oh.

517
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:17,600
So Chantee had accepted a ride from Caesar and Leonard Darcell in downtown Portland.

518
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,440
The two beat and sexually assaulted her and began to drive away.

519
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:29,600
However, when they looked back, they realized that she was not only still alive, which was

520
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,440
apparently a surprise, but that she was moving.

521
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Oh, I don't know.

522
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,440
Probably trying to get the fuck away.

523
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:45,400
The pair returned only to beat her with the butt of a pistol before shooting her in the

524
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240
head and throwing her body over a guardrail.

525
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Why?

526
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Oh my god.

527
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,960
That's so sad.

528
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:01,760
A highway worker discovered her body later that day.

529
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Literally not a single one of these stories was anything short of heartbreaking, but if

530
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,560
this last one doesn't get you right in the fields, you may be not dressed up as something

531
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:20,800
like the walking dead, but for realsies dead inside.

532
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:27,560
As he attacked 63-year-old Betty Williams in her Portland department, she suffered a heart

533
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000
attack that would prove fatal.

534
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Oh, god.

535
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,040
She had been drinking with Betty Lou Williams at her apartment during the early morning hours

536
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,160
of January 6, 1993.

537
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,480
When she went into her bathroom, he followed her, produced a weapon, and began to sexually

538
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,280
assault her.

539
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:58,160
He left her partially clothed body in her bathtub, where her son discovered her the next day.

540
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Oh, her poor son.

541
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Oh my god.

542
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:18,280
The pure unbridled rage that that inspires within me is barely contained.

543
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:27,400
Barone was arrested on February 27, 1993, so not long after, he's found guilty of numerous

544
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:34,080
crimes, but it wasn't until 1995 that he was found guilty.

545
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,840
So that's a long-ass time.

546
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Yeah, it is.

547
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,560
That same year, he was sentenced to death.

548
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:50,000
But in any case, it wouldn't be until December 24, 2009, that Caesar Barone died at the Oregon

549
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:56,040
State Penitentiary in Salem, not of a lethal injection, but of cancer.

550
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Oh, okay.

551
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Which I have to say sounds even better than a white Christmas.

552
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Yeah, I agree.

553
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,880
Yeah.

554
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,400
Hot take, but I do think that rapists and murderers should die of slow and painful and

555
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,000
ideally natural death.

556
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Because biology is far crueler in most cases and willing to do the dirty work, so we all

557
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,240
get to at least feel like we walk away, hands clean.

558
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,240
Yeah.

559
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,240
All right.

560
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,240
I agree on the same page.

561
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,680
That feels good.

562
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:36,520
But the house in southeast Portland isn't officially 7734 anymore at this point.

563
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,560
And it hasn't been for allegedly going on nearly 25 years, in fact.

564
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,280
Oh, okay.

565
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Yes.

566
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Some time ago, one of the owners that the houses changed hands too and fro amongst over the

567
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,880
years.

568
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,920
He decided to officially have the street address changed.

569
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:06,280
And in fact, for many years, it sounds like the house actually hasn't even had a number

570
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,280
on the outside.

571
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,080
Oh, okay.

572
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Currently, it has a house number.

573
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,720
Again, not 7734.

574
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,040
I can't imagine why they would want to change the address.

575
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Yeah.

576
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Well, there's obviously the association that, you know, it's kind of tenuous with these

577
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,560
crimes.

578
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:33,880
But the funny thing is, I had to watch the YouTube video to understand, why are they calling

579
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880
it a hell house?

580
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Right.

581
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Okay.

582
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:45,080
So look at 7734, turn it upside down, and it spells hell.

583
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Backwards.

584
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Oh, my God.

585
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,440
What?

586
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Yeah.

587
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Let me see it.

588
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,440
You have to show me right now.

589
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Oh, I see it now just looking at it.

590
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,560
Oh, my God.

591
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760
That's crazy.

592
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,920
I wonder, like, who the first person was to figure that out and why?

593
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Right.

594
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Well, and what came first?

595
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Did someone realize that connection with the house number?

596
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:22,120
And then it kind of had like this little bit of spooky mythology behind it.

597
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,760
And then all of this stuff happened and it just became like confirmation bias.

598
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,120
I don't know.

599
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,280
That is really weird.

600
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:36,480
That house that just happened to have this number also happens to be connected to all this

601
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,480
murder.

602
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,480
I know.

603
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,480
I know.

604
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Something's not right here.

605
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,120
Yeah.

606
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:49,080
All of the crimes we've discussed today are decades old as well as the house, as the

607
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,240
change of the address, all of that.

608
00:32:52,240 --> 00:33:00,240
And mostly the crimes are only connected tangentially to the house itself by happenstance.

609
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:08,520
So I feel like the house number is what really seals it as a hell house for me.

610
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,240
Lawrence committed his crime long before the tragedy took place in the southeast Portland

611
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,400
home.

612
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,000
And though one of their victims did live in the home briefly, Caesar and Leonard seemingly

613
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
have no other connection to it.

614
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Okay.

615
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,480
And like we talked about at the beginning, you know, Vicky's interest in the paranormal and

616
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,800
afterlife, I don't think it has anything to do with the house or with the murders.

617
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,800
I don't think so either.

618
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,800
No.

619
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,640
So what exactly is the takeaway here?

620
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,040
Yeah, what is it?

621
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Aside from our parents being seriously misguided in thinking that Hillsboro was a safe sleepy

622
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880
suburb to raise us in.

623
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,880
Seriously.

624
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Literal insanity.

625
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,640
It's that any house can be a hell house.

626
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,080
And if we try hard enough, there's a horrific connection to something awful that's happened

627
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,760
in our world in almost any scenario that you run through the simulator.

628
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,680
That is true.

629
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:25,680
And while I hope that gives you the spooky season scare that you're probably looking for,

630
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:34,800
I also hope that it encourages you to be safe and to look out for other people.

631
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,800
Yeah.

632
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Don't go making hell houses all around America.

633
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,000
No more hell houses, okay?

634
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Listen, we've got enough of this.

635
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,960
We've got enough, okay?

636
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,360
Also I want the numbers on my house so that I can have my own hell house without the actual

637
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,360
hell.

638
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Yeah.

639
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,360
I'll make it a good hell vibe.

640
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Yeah.

641
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,360
I think so.

642
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,520
I feel like this house could have gone either way.

643
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,440
I think that's sort of what I kept going back to.

644
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Like, it's a really cute little house.

645
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Well, I hope that whoever lives there now, since they had the address change and everything,

646
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:20,320
hopefully they feel comfortable there and there's no more bad spiderweb shooting out

647
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,320
of the house anymore.

648
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,320
Yeah.

649
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,320
No more threads.

650
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Yes.

651
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,320
No more threads.

652
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,320
Yes.

653
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Well, I have a spooky little story, a personal story, from when I visited my great grandma

654
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,960
in La Grande recently, which I realized I mentioned it in the last episode when we were talking

655
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,760
about it and editing.

656
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,600
I was like, yeah, and I don't sound really excited for whatever reason.

657
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,160
I was like, oh, I'm going to see my great grandma.

658
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Like I didn't sound excited, but I was.

659
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,600
I just want everyone to know.

660
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,120
I don't know why it sounded like that.

661
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Well, because I wasn't going to St. Helens or whatever we were talking about.

662
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,520
So I was like, yeah, I was sad about that, but I'm going to see my great grandma.

663
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Which I didn't up going to St. Helens.

664
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,360
I know you did.

665
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,360
I went anyway.

666
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,360
I did both.

667
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,360
Woo.

668
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Anyway, something kind of spooky happened to me while we were there.

669
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Okay.

670
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,520
I'm so excited to tell you.

671
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,560
So my aunt, my cousin, we're staying in an Airbnb and we met up with them.

672
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,880
They were so spooked out about the house because it has a creepy basement.

673
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,320
Oh, no.

674
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,320
Yeah.

675
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,320
No, thank you.

676
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,640
So they were super uncomfortable with it.

677
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,320
They were kind of like, no, we don't.

678
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,320
We're kind of thinking about switching houses.

679
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,840
Like we don't want to stay there.

680
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,960
And I was like, oh, it's just a creepy old basement.

681
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,720
I want to come over.

682
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:49,720
Oh, my.

683
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:50,720
What?

684
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,480
Do you see what she does to me?

685
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,120
I was excited.

686
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,720
That's terrifying.

687
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,720
Continue.

688
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,320
So I went over to check out the creepy basement.

689
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,320
Of course, too.

690
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,320
Oh, my God.

691
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,320
It was definitely creepy.

692
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,040
I sent you a video of me going down there.

693
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,120
It was like an unfinished, very tiny basement.

694
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,120
I don't like that.

695
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,320
Like wooden stairs, dirt floor, no walls.

696
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,920
Like there was holes in the walls with storage, you know?

697
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,920
Yeah.

698
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,920
I remember I asked you.

699
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,400
You were like, oh, I took a short little clip.

700
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,400
I met this.

701
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,160
And I was like, am I going to be able to sleep tonight if I watch this?

702
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Should I save this and watch it in the mornings?

703
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,360
Why have hours to process the trauma?

704
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,080
I don't think anything spooky was in the video.

705
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,840
Not that I recall, but I didn't rewatch it either.

706
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,120
I was watching it like through my mostly watching it through my fingers, like a kid in a closet.

707
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,120
I should give you a warning.

708
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Like nothing's, nothing's going to pop out at you.

709
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,480
I'm not that mean.

710
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,480
Okay.

711
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,200
I'll warn you if it's creepy.

712
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,680
So anyway, we were checking it out.

713
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,680
I was like, you know what?

714
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,520
Everyone leave, shut the door and turn off the lights.

715
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,760
And I'm going to just stand down here for a second just to see how it feels.

716
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,760
Not good.

717
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,760
Obviously it felt fine.

718
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,760
Nothing happened.

719
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Like the basement seemed fine to me, but I told them I was like, okay, if anything's down

720
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,600
here, don't like bug my family.

721
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,600
They're not interested.

722
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,240
Bug me now if you want to.

723
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,240
Nothing dead.

724
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,160
I'm not interested.

725
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,440
I'm not interested.

726
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,800
So I told them, you know, stay down here.

727
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,320
Don't bug anyone.

728
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,320
Mind your business.

729
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,320
You know how you do.

730
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320
How you have to be stern with the ghosts.

731
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,320
Manners.

732
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Manners.

733
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,760
But so I said something spooky did happen.

734
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,760
So me and my cousin were sharing a beer and it's a get spooky pumpkin beer from Side A Brewing

735
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,560
in La Grande.

736
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,560
They're not a sponsor.

737
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,160
I just really, really like their beer.

738
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Yeah.

739
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Don't be a run.

740
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,160
It's not moving on.

741
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Yeah.

742
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,160
I'm an idiot.

743
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,920
We'll show the Patreon in our tarot.

744
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,480
It's a really cute little can with a ghosty dog on it, dressed like a pumpkin.

745
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,480
It's so cute.

746
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:09,680
So anyway, we were sharing this beer and there was me, my mom, two of my aunts and my cousin

747
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,040
just sitting in the living room talking and all of a sudden we hear like two chimes or

748
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:26,640
we weren't really sure what it was.

749
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,520
It was kind of like, "Dong, dong, sound."

750
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,320
We were all like looking around like, "Okay, was that something?"

751
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,360
It didn't sound like it was outside, it sounded like it was in the house, looking around for

752
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,640
like a clock because it kind of sounded like a clock.

753
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640
And we didn't see anything that could make the sound.

754
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,160
And I, so I'm looking in the corner where it kind of came from, we all kind of looked at

755
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,160
it.

756
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:53,760
So I go over there and there's two gold chalices that kind of like, kind of like, "Oh, they're

757
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,960
kind of shaped like the ones we have right now."

758
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,960
But they're gold with some sort of design pattern on them.

759
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,960
I have the picture.

760
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
Maybe I should show you really quick.

761
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,720
Yeah, show me the creepy haunted chalices.

762
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,000
That's, they're not haunted.

763
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,360
Um, big to defer.

764
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Okay.

765
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,120
They're in a fucking box.

766
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,520
They are in a box.

767
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,800
So these two gold chalices are sitting in a box of silk like they have their own little

768
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,520
nest, they can't touch, right?

769
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,800
So I pick them up and I go, "Cling, clink."

770
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,080
The exact sound we heard.

771
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,200
I clinked these fucking glasses together.

772
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,040
It was the exact sound.

773
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,000
And we were all like, you know, maybe something fell onto like, there was an air conditioner.

774
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,160
Something fell on that outside or something.

775
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:53,000
But I was like, no, that was the exact sound that we heard from that corner.

776
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,360
So I think I took it as, they're cheersing with us because we did, we did cheers with our

777
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,360
cups of beer.

778
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Do you want a little toast?

779
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,400
I think they were just hanging those toes.

780
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,040
A little ghost toast to us and they were just saying, it's fine.

781
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,000
We won't, there's a really loud airplane.

782
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,400
I was like, "So they were just saying it's fine.

783
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,560
We're not going to bug anyone.

784
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,640
We're just here toasting with you."

785
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,480
And I don't know if that's how my cousin took it.

786
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,160
They were a little creeped out, but as far as I know, they stayed there and everything was

787
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,160
fine.

788
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Okay.

789
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,160
Yeah.

790
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,160
You've heard from them since?

791
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,160
I think.

792
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,160
Mom, are they okay?

793
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,160
Oh my God.

794
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,160
I have so.

795
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Okay.

796
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,720
They did tell me some spooky stories too while we were there.

797
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:48,000
Like kind of after that happened, it opened a door into spooky story land.

798
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Yes.

799
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Oh, I thought it was pretty cool.

800
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,200
They're, well, they're a little more uncomfortable with it.

801
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,880
They don't think it's so cool, but.

802
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,880
They're team of Caitlyn.

803
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,400
Yeah, they're more on your side, I think.

804
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Oh my God.

805
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,160
But that was my fun little story.

806
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
I also stuff that Margie's outdoor store on the way home.

807
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,760
Oh, because we were passing right by and I was like, I got to go check out this place.

808
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,760
How could you not?

809
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,960
It was so worth it.

810
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,960
Yeah.

811
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,960
It was really cool.

812
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,960
We actually met James.

813
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,960
Oh.

814
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Yeah.

815
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,440
He was there when we walked in the door and I was like, oh, hey, you were on our podcast.

816
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Yeah.

817
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,640
He's like, oh, yeah, hi.

818
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,960
So, yep.

819
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,600
We chatted and I have a bunch of videos and pictures from it.

820
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:30,600
So I'm sure.

821
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,040
I think you've already shared some of that on the socials, haven't you?

822
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,040
I don't think so now.

823
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,040
I haven't talked about it.

824
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,040
From Margie's?

825
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,040
You just sent it to me.

826
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,080
Yeah, I just sent it to you.

827
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Sometimes I get to see stuff first.

828
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Yeah, she's in part of the show.

829
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
She gets a sneak peek before you guys see all.

830
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,080
She's special.

831
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,880
I'm special.

832
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Well, should we do some...

833
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,200
Terror?

834
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,200
Terror?

835
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Terror for Hell House.

836
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Terror?

837
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,920
I'm excited for the terror now.

838
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,920
Yeah.

839
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,760
Y'all that were done with the murder.

840
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,760
Yeah.

841
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,760
There was so much murder.

842
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,440
It was so sad.

843
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,600
It's pretty murder-heavy even for me.

844
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Yeah.

845
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Yikes.

846
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Sorry, everyone.

847
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,760
I'm apologizing on behalf of Caitlyn for her true crime side.

848
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,760
Wow.

849
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
I'm just kidding.

850
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Okay.

851
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
You're lovely.

852
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:34,840
I mean, I have my moments.

853
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,880
As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.

854
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,720
So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.

855
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,200
Let's show them some love.

856
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,200
You can find their info in our show notes.

857
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,240
Do you have to throw on your favorite true crime podcast before bed in order to fall asleep?

858
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:54,240
Same.

859
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:58,000
And it's the very reason that I created serial napper.

860
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,960
My name is Nikki Young and I'm here to lull you to sleep or perhaps to give you nightmares

861
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,920
with some of the craziest true crime stories that you've never heard of.

862
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Each episode of serial napper features a different true crime story told succinctly the

863
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,320
way that it happened, just the facts, ma'am.

864
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:24,000
My focus is on unsolved crimes that need more attention, cold cases, and wrongful convictions.

865
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,740
While true crime shows can sometimes be graphic in nature, I ensure that the story is told

866
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:33,240
in a way that is respectful to the victims and their families.

867
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:38,200
Now when it's time for bed, you can look forward to 30 minutes of well researched and detailed

868
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,000
case files while you get your beauty sleep.

869
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Find serial napper on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you like to listen to podcasts,

870
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,360
sweet dreams.

871
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,720
You guys were back.

872
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,320
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

873
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,320
Well, of course.

874
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Okay, I'm going to do some shuffling of the deck.

875
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,160
Shuffle-dame cats.

876
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Do you like our Hell House back there?

877
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,280
Yeah, dover on.

878
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,280
I know.

879
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,280
She's cute.

880
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,280
Okay.

881
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Hell House deck.

882
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,880
Hell House energy.

883
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
I'm going to do one more.

884
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,080
I've got to get that H-H-E.

885
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Okay.

886
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
I was going to keep going, but I decided against it.

887
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,520
You did?

888
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,720
Oh my God.

889
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,720
We got the death card, didn't we?

890
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:34,720
No.

891
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,720
Oh.

892
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:36,720
Double card?

893
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:37,720
In reverse.

894
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:38,720
Oh, okay, cool.

895
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:39,720
Here.

896
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,720
Vanna.

897
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,600
Okay, we got the double card in reverse.

898
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,720
How fitting for Hell House.

899
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:45,720
Oh, no.

900
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:49,400
Oh, bonk in the table.

901
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,040
That was the clothes one.

902
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Don't spill the pumpkin beer.

903
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,800
Get spooky pumpkin beer from Side A Brewing in La Grande.

904
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,280
And they told me the dog's name, but I don't remember.

905
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,760
It is not a dead dog, even though it is portrayed as a ghost.

906
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,080
It's an alive dog.

907
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,880
He's dressed up for Halloween, okay?

908
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Yeah.

909
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,840
Don't take everything so literally.

910
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,840
Bolton's up.

911
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,000
It's literally the best pumpkin beer I've ever had.

912
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,560
It's really good.

913
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:21,360
I bought two forepacks to take home and we went there twice.

914
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,360
Okay.

915
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,360
So our devil card.

916
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Keywords are obsession, indulgence, fear, materialism and egotism.

917
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,640
So, I'm gonna.

918
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:41,140
Many decks picture a medieval Christian type devil complete with horns, hooves, a hairy

919
00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:43,200
tail and a pitchfork.

920
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Oof!

921
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:52,300
The right-a-way Smith deck shows two small human-like figures at the double's feet, one male and one

922
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:59,220
female with chains around their necks that represent bondage to the material realm.

923
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:04,580
Notice the chains are loose though and the people could easily slip them off, suggesting

924
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:09,100
this card is about self-imposed limitations.

925
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,740
When you think of the devil, what comes to your mind?

926
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:14,740
Consummate evil?

927
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:16,660
A mythical creature?

928
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:23,380
A symbol of human indulgence, ignorance, egotism, greed and irresponsibility.

929
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:25,980
Listen, lots of people are irresponsible.

930
00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:27,140
It doesn't make them evil.

931
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:28,140
Okay.

932
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:29,140
I just have to say.

933
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:30,140
I think of hell.

934
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:31,140
Yeah.

935
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:32,140
Me too.

936
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:33,900
Go figure.

937
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:38,860
I think of the devil as the obsession card.

938
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:42,780
There is an extra excerpt, but we're gonna circle back to them because I want to get into

939
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:46,780
the interpretation.

940
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:51,020
Reverse the devil indicates you feel trapped in a situation over which you think you have

941
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:52,020
no control.

942
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,020
Hmm.

943
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:55,660
I feel like that's very fitting for this house.

944
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:59,020
Like the house was trapped as hell house until they changed the number.

945
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:00,020
I kind of think so.

946
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:01,020
Yeah.

947
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,540
I feel like that really speaks to me on that front.

948
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:08,900
Did you know if anyone was like obsessed with seeing the house or did it have like a lot

949
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:10,820
of people coming by to see it?

950
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:12,660
Or it doesn't seem like it.

951
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:17,220
I think it's just sort of a local legend type thing.

952
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:23,780
It says you may believe your options are limited or blame someone else for your problems.

953
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:29,340
But if you're honest with yourself, you'll see your own ideas and fears are causing the

954
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:31,060
problem.

955
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:33,020
Be careful of a quick fix.

956
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:38,780
You probably need to do some serious work, both inner and outer to solve the issues and move

957
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:40,380
to a better place.

958
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:42,100
Oh my gosh.

959
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:45,020
So they can't just change the number.

960
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:47,900
They had to like cleanse that fucking house.

961
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:48,900
I'm sure.

962
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:49,900
Yeah.

963
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,860
I don't know if the house is currently occupied.

964
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:55,540
I have looked at it on Google Earth.

965
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:56,940
I don't.

966
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:58,980
That gets updated every so often.

967
00:48:58,980 --> 00:49:02,220
I didn't remember to check the date.

968
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:05,380
But it did look it did look like someone was living there.

969
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:06,380
Yeah.

970
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:08,380
Don't go by trying to figure out.

971
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:09,380
No.

972
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:12,300
Please don't Google it and try to go.

973
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:13,300
That's rude.

974
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:14,300
That is right.

975
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:15,300
Don't be a dick.

976
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:16,300
Yeah.

977
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:17,300
Stick around.

978
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:18,300
Don't be a dick.

979
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:23,540
In a reading about money, the reverse devil suggests greed may cause you to engage in

980
00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:29,780
unethical practices or profit at other people's expense.

981
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:34,780
Remember the saying love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

982
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:37,020
Ooh.

983
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:43,300
Sometimes this card means someone else owns you due to indebtedness or your lust for money.

984
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,260
That's interesting because people own the house.

985
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:47,260
Yikes.

986
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:53,860
Perhaps you engage in self-destructive practices, working so hard you damage your health or allowing

987
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:56,740
your employer to take advantage of you.

988
00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:05,140
The reverse devil can also mean working for a corrupt organization or initiati activity.

989
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:11,140
In a reading about love, your self-esteem may be compromised by a relationship in which

990
00:50:11,140 --> 00:50:12,700
you are devalued.

991
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:14,020
Oh.

992
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:20,260
This card speaks of codependence, manipulation, delusion and deception.

993
00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:22,260
Don't walk away.

994
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:23,260
Run.

995
00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:25,980
Run from the hell house.

996
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:26,980
Yeah.

997
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:32,780
I feel bad for attacking this house for being evil when it was people who caused the evil

998
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:33,780
but still.

999
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:34,780
Yeah.

1000
00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:35,780
And definitely agree.

1001
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:39,580
I think it's, yeah, it's not so much.

1002
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:42,300
I don't think that the house is really the problem.

1003
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:47,540
The address is just sort of a coincidental thing.

1004
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:52,500
How funny is it, too, that it has hops on the card and we are featuring beer today?

1005
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:53,500
Yeah.

1006
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:57,260
Because we don't drink a lot of beer to be honest but okay.

1007
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:58,260
Yeah.

1008
00:50:58,260 --> 00:50:59,260
That's awesome.

1009
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:00,260
Okay.

1010
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:01,260
Are you ready?

1011
00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:02,260
Yeah.

1012
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:03,260
Okay.

1013
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:11,860
The beast is always the dark face of the handsome prince which is literally Bundy.

1014
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:13,820
That's Bundy in a nutshell.

1015
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:15,620
But I hate it.

1016
00:51:15,620 --> 00:51:16,620
I hate it.

1017
00:51:16,620 --> 00:51:17,620
Did we pull a card?

1018
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:22,500
No, we didn't pull a card for our quotes, Bundy episode where we did his birth chart because

1019
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:25,940
we were like, that's the witchy stuff.

1020
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:26,940
Yeah.

1021
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:27,940
Oh my God.

1022
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:28,940
Oh, creepy.

1023
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:29,940
Ooh, little, little.

1024
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:30,940
Okay.

1025
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:32,460
That is the perfect card for this.

1026
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:33,460
The double card.

1027
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:34,460
Yeah.

1028
00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:41,460
Just situated right between the tower and I forget the numbers and temperance in the major

1029
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:42,460
arcanus.

1030
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:43,460
Yeah.

1031
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:47,100
Just seeing what's in there in a very number 15.

1032
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,100
Y'all.

1033
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,260
Tomorrow's the 15th.

1034
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:52,260
It is.

1035
00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:53,260
Ooh.

1036
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:54,260
Okay.

1037
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:56,500
I'm ready to wash this case like clean out of my system.

1038
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:57,500
Okay.

1039
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:58,500
I'm ready.

1040
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:59,500
All right.

1041
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:00,500
I'm ready, too.

1042
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:01,500
I think.

1043
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:02,420
Okay.

1044
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:05,580
I'm ready.

1045
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,580
We have something today.

1046
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:08,580
What?

1047
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:10,380
We have a Patreon shout out.

1048
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:11,380
Oh, yeah.

1049
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:12,380
Yeah.

1050
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:14,380
We have a new Patreon, Jessica.

1051
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Jessica.

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Hi, Jessica.

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Welcome to the creepy people tier.

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Yeah.

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We hope you love your personalized welcome card with your mini tarot reading inside.

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Oh, yeah.

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There might have also been some spooky confetti in there.

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We don't know.

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I can't remember if I put it in or not.

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Post picture of what you got.

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Let us know.

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Yeah.

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We love to see the cards.

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I know.

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I want to see.

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We're kind of like obsessed with tarot.

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It's our thing.

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If you can't tell.

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Yeah.

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So speaking of tarot reads, if you loved listening to our tarot reads and want to see it

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with your eyeballs, your eyeballs.

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Also you can get a shout out of your very own if you join our Patreon.

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I know.

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So much fun.

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If you can't support us monetarily, no worries because the easiest ways to support our show

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are absolutely free.

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Tell everyone in anyone you come into contact with about us, especially if you encounter someone

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from a hell house.

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Yeah.

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I guess.

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Or if you encounter the devil, let him know.

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Yeah.

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Or I guess you can leave us a five star review on any platform you can.

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I mean, that would really be ideal.

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If you have any true crime, paranormal or witchy stories to submit for our listener appreciation

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episodes, creepy people, chronicles, please email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com

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or you can use our handy Google contact link in the episode description.

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Maybe one of those other two scenarios happens at the very least.

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Just write in about it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you can always remain anonymous if you choose to send in a story, especially if it's

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about some guy flashing you at the coffee stand, which I've heard about recently.

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If you don't want to share your name, that that happened to you, but you still want to tell

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the story, let us know.

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And they don't have to be from the Pacific Northwest.

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Yeah.

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Timbuktu or Tacoma?

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Either way.

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There's flashers everywhere.

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There sure are.

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Follow us on all of the socials.

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If you don't want to miss out on photos of our tarot cards, the beautiful altar setups

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and a lot of backstage shenanigans.

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Backstage shenanigans.

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You can find our website and link tree in the description of this episode to check out

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all of the creepy Halloween fun we have to offer.

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Have a creepy ass Halloween.

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Don't go to Hell House.

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Don't go to Hell in general.

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I mean, don't also bad.

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Don't.

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I must have done.

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Don't be at the double, but I don't think the double set bad.

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So I don't know.

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Yeah, really, it's open to interpretation.

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Yeah.

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I don't really believe in hell either.

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So just ignore every guy say.

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Yeah.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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I also hope it ends.

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I'm scared.

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I know.

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I'm scared.

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