But then if he sees you notice him, he gets kind of like startled.
And then like sometimes that's when he'll disappear or like run away.
The audacity.
Oh I'm sorry, did I scare you?
Yeah, my own house.
So it's kind of like one of those ones like which one of you is the ghost, you know?
I'm him.
I feel confident.
I don't need to phone a friend.
Yeah.
Final answer.
You're fluffer.
Hi, Caitlyn, you mother fluffer.
Hi Cassie.
Hi creepy people.
Hello.
I can see Caitlyn's whole face with both my eyes.
It's insane.
Yeah.
Yeah, if you're not watching the video, we got new low profile mic stands.
Yes.
And we can see each other.
I'm so excited.
So excited.
Yeah.
I've never been more excited actually.
I was so excited.
So excited.
Well, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and
all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
We're the PNW, if you're nasty.
And we know y'all.
So nasty.
We also do a tarot reading in every episode to give a little bit of deeper insight into our
topic and have a little witchy fun.
Yeah.
So stick around if you want to have a little witchy fun with us.
Did we talk about the board?
We talk about that.
I don't know if we officially talked about the roadcaster pro two.
I can't remembe, but we got.
Sponsor us.
Or whatever, you know, like no big deal.
Give us the new camera one for free.
That would be awesome.
That would be amazing.
Yeah.
So we were having issues recording with, you know, fancy mics recording into garage band,
you know, free is great.
Get ready to do it while you can.
But it gets frustrating after a while when things aren't going right.
So we needed one to just make our brains more sane.
And she pretty.
She is party.
She's so party.
Well, that's all I had.
You're trying to stall.
No, I'm just kind of like, I'm just still like a little bit like glamored by our, I am
too.
Our new stuff.
I've just like settled in though.
I just sat down and I'm like, yeah, this is light.
This is how life should be.
I'm happy as a clam over here.
It's good timing.
You know what else is good timing?
Me getting rid of my severe fucking cystic acne before my whole face is like shown to
you guys.
That's why I've been hiding behind my mics and my pop filters.
But now, you know, I have a couple of you probably see them, but I don't think so.
Overall, I look better.
If anyone's struggling with cystic acne, check your medications.
Really common side effect.
Yeah.
Really common side effect for anti-depressants, certain anti-depressant medications.
So real bummer.
Yeah, you know, but you know, having acne on your face makes you even more depressed
than the pill helps.
So I would argue.
I would argue.
Yeah.
That's sort of like if you, there's other anti-depressant or I mean, they're used for a lot of
other applications, but there's, it's the class of medications called SSRIs where it
affects like your sex drive.
Oh.
Essentially like it'll lower your libido, but it also, and this is crazy.
It can actually like a very commonly reported side effect of it is that like you actually
have difficulty in climaxing.
Oh no.
Yeah.
And it's like, okay, so I'm not depressed, but I'm like, how does that make sense?
You need that to not be depressed too.
So like, yeah, I feel like that's kind of a bummer.
Like that's a terrible side effect.
Yeah.
Sometimes I like to start things off with dad jokes and this is in fact one of those times.
Okay.
This is actual dad joke material from an actual dad, my dad.
Oh boy.
Who taught me all I know about dad jokes.
All right.
So my dad was telling me about some spooky things that happened to him and he like, he's
in the woods a lot.
He lives around the woods.
So I asked him if he has ever seen a not dear.
And if you don't know what a not dear is, we've kind of talked about it a little bit before
with Cristina, I think.
Yeah.
Sounds familiar, but it's just like a deer that there's just like something off about it.
Okay.
That's kind of what I remembered.
Like it like moves weird.
Yeah.
It'll like stand and walk on two legs or it'll like have like a face that kind of looks
human.
It's just like not right.
It's exactly what it sounds like.
It's like a deer, but it's like not.
So he says to me, I see one.
Every day, every single day, when I go out into the woods and there's not a deer there.
Oh my god.
I fucking walked straight into that dad joke.
Yeah.
I did that to my own self, but that was gold.
Thank you, dad.
Oh, man.
I'm actually kind of annoyed that I didn't really see that coming.
I didn't let the time either.
I know.
I was like, wait a minute.
You know what those are.
You've seen a not deer.
Like you have to tell me.
And then he pulls that one over on me.
And I was like, that was good.
That was good.
Man, props to you, dad.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks, dad.
Thanks.
So I thought that was kind of, you know, fall related and fun to start with before I scare
the crap out of you.
Okay.
I feel like I'm building up a tolerance though.
I hope so.
I mean, I have to be because we just did the ghost tour and that is true.
You didn't really freak out.
Yeah.
I mean, I did part of the time that you weren't really aware of.
Yeah.
I don't know that Chris really caught it on any of our recording stuff, but I, because I intentionally
I was just saying it to him because I was like, oh my gosh, I don't want to be like every
time something happens, be like, oh, you know, like it's too much.
No, it's not.
It's never enough.
I don't know that I just was like, yeah, so it's funny that you should say that because I
was seeing that and then you started talking about it like five minutes later.
I don't want to give anything away.
I mean, this comes out after that.
So they'll have heard, but we haven't reported about it yet with us.
I kind of know what you mean, but I haven't heard the whole story yet.
So yeah, I'm being intentionally big.
Yeah.
But you all, you all know by then.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
So before we officially start the story, I used another podcast called Strange for Milliers
for most of my research because this is mainly where these stories that I'm focusing on are.
Ooh.
They're collecting all of these stories and working on speculations about it and even riding
a book.
Ooh.
And so I went through and I listened to, there's probably ten episodes.
With like multiple different stories.
I went through and listened to all of them and like took notes about it and they are so
interesting.
There's so much detailing these stories.
Like I'm not even touching like the tip of the iceberg here.
Well, I'm touching the tip of the iceberg, but I'm not going below the surface.
Yeah, just the tip.
So please go over there to Strange Familiars.
You can just in their little search bar.
It's a little search.
Oh, I almost told you what it was.
Search what this topic is.
Okay.
And then find all of the stories.
They're so interesting.
Oh my gosh.
I had fun listening to hours and hours of these stories.
It's okay.
Great.
I go hard on my research, you guys.
Yeah.
Because there's not really a lot written about it.
Yeah.
There's like a couple other podcasts I see that did it.
I didn't really listen to those because I was like, well, I'm going to go through like the
main source and figure all this out for myself.
But there's like not a lot of articles.
There's some Reddit stuff that I'll link to, but okay.
That's about it.
I know.
So exciting.
Everything's exciting today.
Yeah.
You're really excited.
You're just excited about being excited, even.
I'm very excited all these days.
Yeah.
Well, I wanted to tell you that I was listening to a podcast for my research because I was
using Spotify.
Oh.
It was acting so fucking weird.
Like yeah.
I was constantly listening to podcasts and stuff and it gets weird.
Sometimes you know, there needs to be an update stuff glitches, but this was like, yeah.
Consistently weird.
Acting through the whole thing.
So it was being like slow and I would go to click something and it like wouldn't click.
It would click like 30 seconds later, but like not even where I pushed my finger.
Oh, weird.
Yeah.
So you know, when you're listening to stuff, you want to like rewind.
Yeah.
So I was just fast forward.
So I was fighting with it the entire time.
So it took me like probably 10 times longer than it should have.
So I was fighting with the whole time.
So I just thought that was interesting.
It was updated.
So I don't know.
I had full 5G bars.
Oh, yeah.
I was going to say because the other issue that you have is like not having very good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now are you ready for the story?
Maybe.
Or kicking November off with a fall fashionista phantom.
Ooh, Flannel Man.
Now I see why you wanted me to have the flannel.
Am I getting it?
Okay.
Listen, I meant to ask you this before.
I was afraid.
I didn't have any flannel in my closet, but I was afraid that if I put on something flannel,
like I was like, she's like trying to trick me.
It's going to be like somebody like a ghost that haunts people wearing flannel or something.
So now that I know, well, I guess I don't know.
I guess that's my question.
Listen, I'm panicking.
Okay.
You don't know yet.
Should I be wearing flannel or should I not?
I mean, it's really up to you.
I don't like that answer.
If you want to take the chance and go put some flannel on, I know.
I'm not a risk taker.
It is flannel man.
So it is about some entity wearing flannel.
So it's not about someone who haunts people in flannel.
If you need to go put some on.
If I get chilly, then I'll go grab my little grandma shawl.
Okay.
Not blanky.
But you are sufficiently dressed for fall, I think.
You got the call color edge going on.
So I think you're cool.
First mentioned in a paranormal forum long ago in the depths of the interwebs,
flannel man is seen all over the US and even in the UK.
But in the US, he's seen from Minnesota to Ohio, from Florida to Kentucky and Texas.
And yes, even right here in the go to flannel lovin’ nasty PNW. From California through Oregon
up to Washington and over to Montana.
...
Look you guys.
I know geography.
Geography.
I just named places up and over.
Yeah, you're like, "Yeah, over there."
So when I say Flannel Man, what do you think this guy looks like?
A lumberjack.
Exactly.
It looks like a lumberjack.
And of course I became obsessed as soon as I heard the word flannel man.
I was like, "Who is this?
Who is this man?
I need to find him."
She's in love.
Unfortunately, I've never seen him yet.
It's always tomorrow.
There is always tomorrow or tonight or right now, just kidding.
Okay.
Well, I have a camera at the front door now.
So fancy.
Flannel Man, you can't creep outside of Caitlyn's house.
Yeah.
Most often, people ranging from children to adults, so pretty much everyone, see a man in
a flannel shirt.
And it's not just plain flannel though, it always has a plaid pattern on it.
So like the typical, like what you would think about a lumberjack wearing.
It's usually the red and black buffalo plaid that we're all used to.
Even though it's usually like the red and black plaid, the colors do vary from story to
story.
So sometimes people have seen him in like a white and black plaid or a brown or even like
a blue green.
And I was just going to ask you about blue.
Yeah.
Blue green.
Okay.
And but it is always like a plaid pattern.
He's almost always wearing blue jeans and boots and described us looking like a lumberjack.
Okay.
Typical lumberjack.
And a couple people even say he has an axe, which kind of side note reminds me of something
that me and my friend made up as a child.
I don't know if I've mentioned it before on here.
I don't know if this is a thing people do anymore, but we would like sleep outside in the backyard
on the trampoline.
Like all the time.
Yeah.
Like trampoline.
I would now camping, you know?
Yeah.
But there was like this creepy neighbor's house and it was like all overgrown and stuff.
And we used to say that axe man lived over there and the axe man was going to come for us.
I don't know where this can't like I don't know where I heard it.
I don't know where she heard it or if we just like made up this scary axe man thing,
but it obviously in my mind, he looked like a lumberjack and he probably was wearing like
plaid flannel jeans and boots with an axe.
We didn't I don't remember ever seeing him.
Did you just manifest the flannel man?
Am I the reason for the flannel man?
Am I the drama?
I think there are sightings like before I was born.
Okay.
Or maybe like when I was like really young.
I mean it could have been like past life you though because I feel like every iteration
of you in every dimension loves a lumberjack and I flannel man from a past life.
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I do love flannels.
Yeah.
You do love a good flannel.
It's very Seattle.
It's funny you say that.
Yeah.
Okay.
That might come back around later.
Okay.
And I've about me kind of most describe him as having a like longer dark hair and a beard.
And I assume when people say longer hair they just mean like longer than like a short typical
man hairstyle.
Maybe.
So not like long but like just like longer than short I guess.
I was going to say do we get any sort of specificity around that?
There is a variety.
A lot of people just say he had longer hair.
But there is some of them do have specific like it was shoulder length.
It was this it was that but yeah, just longer than normal and usually kind of like not very
neat.
Okay.
It bothers me when people say things sometimes like and I'm probably guilty of it too.
I feel like sometimes we just expect people to finish our thought for us or we don't even
realize it anyways.
It bothers me when people say things like oh you know it's longer but like what?
Right.
Exactly.
Like that.
Like there should be a then yeah and then some other I think they mean they longer than normal
but which is like that's so subjective.
Right.
Like normal for military normal for someone who lives in the woods for 50 years alone.
Like what is normal?
Okay.
I think like one one or like two people described as being like really like pretty long
hair like shoulder length.
Yeah.
But I think somewhere between shoulder length and short is like what most people see.
We're really going on about the hair.
You know, I feel like maybe I maybe I did need my full regimen of meds today.
It's the Leo in you though.
You're just like obsessed with hair.
That's the thing.
Oh, is that a thing?
It's a Leo thing.
Yes.
You're really.
Oh, that makes so much sense.
Yeah.
And I'm like a Leo of venus Leo.
So like Venus is all about like your appearance and like lovely things and so like I'm also
kind of obsessed with hair.
So I get it.
It makes sense for us.
But this is kind of where things start to vary even more from story to story.
So some have seen him as blonde instead of with dark hair.
Most mostly with dark hair but a couple have seen him as blonde.
Others see him wearing different kinds of hats.
Some see him wearing like old-timey type of goggles.
Kind of like leather goggles.
I'm not sure what they would have been for but people just describe them as like old-timey.
Like he's like rocking a steam punk.
That's like where my mind went.
I'm not under percent sure what the goggles were.
Yeah.
They're like also he I don't know if this is important at all but he's wearing like a
plate.
Dr. Mask you know it's fine.
Everything's fine.
It's all it's not that noticeable on your face.
Yeah exactly exactly.
I love it.
That's kind of funny though because someone one of the stories it was like when she was a
little kid and like the little boys that were with her were like are these night vision
goggles and I'm like I don't think so funny but they're night vision goggles.
Oh my god.
Those are like those are noticeable on your face no matter what stuff others tell you.
Yeah.
Listen don't believe everything you see on TV.
Yeah.
The Beards range in description too so they range from short neat to very long and unkempt.
Okay.
Well that's where I'm like okay.
Different times of year maybe.
Maybe.
I mean obviously we're not everyone's not seeing the same exact guy.
It's kind of like hat man feel because like hat man is described kind of you know where
you're very various different hats you know it's kind of like that type of thing so it's
not the same exact entity everyone is seeing.
Obviously that's kind of what I gather from listening to all the these stories but that
was like one of their theories as well.
Okay.
I mean that kind of makes sense to me I guess.
The Beards can also be gray or just not there at all some of them don't have beards just
a chisel jaw ula la.
That rhymes.
Most people say he is very tall like kind of taller than average like six foot to six
five.
Okay.
Others say he is about average height so like five eight to five ten.
Okay.
Is that average height now?
A ish average ish.
I don't know.
And then five ten's like average.
Yeah.
So short that it like these heights you're like what is numbers.
I don't know.
I'm like how do you breathe?
You probably don't run so good there.
So you know that altitude sickness.
Yeah.
Every story I've heard from this podcast says that he is a white guy but there was like one
story that said he had tanskin and he could have been an indigenous person.
Oh, interesting.
But overwhelmingly he's a white dude like all of the serial killers.
Yeah.
Just watch out.
I mean, let's be real though.
Jake Bird we just talk about.
It's true.
Their faces are often said to be in shadow or just overall hard to make out.
So other than like the beard and like a chiseled jaw people can't really make out things about
his face.
Oh, it's like a really bad sketch artist.
Yeah.
So I think it's just that like they don't want to be seen in detail but then there's like
these other details that change like the hair color and things.
So I don't know.
It like depends on the lighting too.
For all of these like color issues.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
I think one of those like, you know, longer than or you know, lighter than than what?
Yeah.
I'm going to need you to give me two examples.
I just need a picture.
Get a picture of flannel man for us.
Not that hard.
What?
Like it's hard.
Actually it might be kind of hard.
Probably pretty hard.
I'll tell you why in a little bit.
A couple people have said that instead of a lumberjack they get more of like a 90's
grunt vibe from him.
And that's like my whole vibe today.
Bro, I got the Choker necklace.
Is it Kurt Cobain?
It's funny.
You say that because one person even named their flannel man Kurt.
Stop it.
Yeah.
There was one story about someone who saw described their whole situation and then was like, I call
him Kurt because like he was wearing a plan on the friendship.
It's the vibe.
Oh my God.
And there have been a couple stories of even flannel women.
So there are a couple women involved in this flannel situation.
Okay.
Well now I feel a little bit like I need my scarf.
Although it's not flannel.
It'll be plaid but not flannel.
I mean plaid is flannel.
It's kind of interchangeable.
I think so.
Yeah.
Like my hair could be longer than.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know flannel is like technically like a material type but yeah.
And this is it's this is in this instance.
They do mean it as like the plaid and at least one person said that he had glowing red eyes.
No.
Oh, I really hate that.
I know.
Why?
It's creepy.
Yeah.
I don't know why it wasn't everybody.
To my knowledge listening to all these stories it was just the one person.
It wasn't it wasn't everyone.
Very.
And we'll kind of go over the feelings and stuff.
Okay.
A little bit.
Yeah.
I have a lot of feelings.
Okay.
A lot of people have a lot of feelings.
I don't have a lot of feeling in my feet right now.
But I have feelings for you flannel man.
Will you come visit me tonight in my room?
Yeah.
Her room at her house.
Spring the axe.
Oh my god.
Something's happening to me.
Yeah.
It's taking over my body.
You are being really weird.
So what happens during a flannel man sighting?
Probably nothing.
I'm sure it's everything's fine.
Everything's fine.
Everybody goes home and goes bed and I mean kind of.
Oh.
Okay.
Cool.
So you're like half right?
Okay.
No.
That's not even close to the same thing at all.
You're the bed part right?
That's not in the spirit of what I said.
I just want to be a fun to be clear about that.
Or they like wake up in the middle of the night and you know like go to get a drink of
water or something and then randomly see the flannel man standing like in the kitchen
or somewhere along the way.
And encounters typically don't last very long before he will just disappear in front of
your eyes or like you'll turn and then he'll be gone or he'll just like start to walk
away and fade away.
Okay.
So he doesn't stick around very long and then usually people say he's just kind of like
staring at you, watching you.
Okay.
So he's sort of like the two pump chomp of like apparitions.
I guess so.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Okay.
But he does like to stare and watch.
But then if he sees you notice him, he gets kind of like startled and then like sometimes
that's when he'll disappear or like run away.
The audacity.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Did I scare you?
Yeah.
My own house.
So it's kind of like one of those ones like which one of you is the ghost, you know?
I'm him.
I feel confident.
I don't need to phone a friend.
Yeah.
Final answer.
I don't know if he knows where he's at.
If he's just startled to be caught, not really sure.
I just feel like I just like shook my head.
So like I don't know.
That just I got like, well, well, dizzy there.
Is that gives me Sir your startle?
Yeah.
Okay.
A few people say that they woke up from a loud sound, but it's kind of like you, you
don't really know what the sound was because you're like, you were asleep in all of a sudden
you're awake from some sort of sound and then saw him.
So like that makes it kind of extra creepy.
Yeah.
Like is he burying his accent like my closet door or something?
Like is that what I'm, is that the sound?
He needs to bury his accent me.
Oh, you know what?
Okay.
This is why I wore the shirt today.
I'm going to show you guys my shirt from the Ash and you go concert.
It says I can't help that I want to be Titi smothered because I feel like I am like going
so hardcore on like dudes like, I love lumberjack dudes, but I also want some Titi.
So I felt like I had to represent both today.
Okay.
To see you guys out.
I am selfish and I want everybody.
Yeah.
I wanted all.
So we left off after I said that people woke up sometimes from a loud sound didn't know
what it was and then they see flattamann.
No.
Kind of like that.
But for the most part, people don't really get a bad vibe from him.
It's just like overall feeling uncomfortable at suddenly seeing like a man in your house
that shouldn't be there.
Relatable.
Yeah.
And some people do even see him like not just in their home.
Some people have reported him like on the side of the road.
How many of you said they saw I'm sitting on like a median of like a highway?
Oh, which is a really weird spot.
So like places like he really shouldn't be.
Okay.
Yeah.
No one should be there.
No one should be.
No man should be in your bedroom or on the side of the road or anywhere.
Just don't be there.
Even in flannel.
It's not an excuse.
There's no excuse.
Not even flannel.
People say that they also feel like even though he looks like a normal person, like he's
solid, he's not like see through anything, they just get the vibe that he's not.
He's like not a normal person.
He's not of this world.
Like he's something different in paranormal basically.
Okay.
He's a not dear.
He's a not lumberjack.
Yeah.
Oh, new thing.
Flannel man's out.
Not lumberjack is in.
New level.
So like I said, people don't really get like a super evil, a menacing vibe from him or anything.
Other than a couple instances like the one where he was just standing there, grinning
at a mother and daughter at the same time into separate bedrooms.
I'm sorry.
What?
Yeah.
He was just standing there in his flannel just grinning at this mother and daughter who
were in two separate rooms and had this experience at the same exact time.
The mom screamed because she saw a man in her room.
Yeah.
And then when she screamed, he disappeared and she heard her daughter screaming like there's
a man in my room.
So they were having like the same experience at the same time.
I don't care for that.
I'll be honest.
The grinning is just like, yeah.
That feels menacing.
Okay, especially when you do that with your eyes.
Like I think of pinny eyes.
I don't know what I did with my eyes.
Hopefully it was creepy.
Oh God.
Yeah.
No, it was creepy.
Good.
God.
I'm going to just sit here and like completely destroy my cuticle.
I was going to scare you.
Like picking your nails right now.
You're nervous.
No, I'm fine.
We could have put oven mitts on you so you don't see.
Oh my God.
Yeah, I might need a.
Maybe I'll grab a rock.
Oh, that's a good idea.
Yeah.
Rub your rocks.
Get your rocks off.
People report even smelling him like the smell of his new clothes or his like leathery
boots or even feeling his boots.
Like some people have like reached out to touch him and they he feels like solid.
He is there.
Why are we just touching people's home?
I think because like if you're in your sleepy state, you wake up and you just want to like,
I don't know, see if see if they're if that's real.
And apparently he is someone even like hold on his beard kind of thinking it was like Halloween
time.
They thought maybe it was one of their parents.
It was a kid.
So they like reached up and yanked his beard and it like didn't come off.
It was.
Spoiler alert was not one of the parents.
Some other interesting things happened in that story.
Yeah, you'll have to just go go listen.
One Reddit comment from Hail the Cat Overlords apparently had reoccurring sightings of him
of flannel man and said that he always smelled like cigarettes and they asked him to stop smoking
when he came around.
Oh, and he did like they never smelled the cigarettes again when they saw him.
So it's pretty nice.
Yeah, that's polite.
It's like a decent dude, I guess.
Yeah.
So it's the staring and the grinning.
Yeah.
I just picture him kind of smelling like sawdust.
Yeah, you would think, right?
I don't think anyone reported that the the smells were mostly like about his clothes and
like the cigarette smell.
Interesting.
That would be interesting for them to start asking people like was there any smells associated
with it?
Yeah.
Like that's one of or arguably the most impactful sensory thing.
I don't know.
I'm struggling to find the words for that.
Everything's fine.
I don't think it's fine.
Most people say they just see him once and then don't ever see him again with the exception
of like a couple people like the cigarette people, the cigarette people.
But not cigarette people because they didn't want the cigarette.
The non smokers.
And all of these people that are telling their stories, they're saying that they they've
had this experience of seeing flannel man before really even hearing about it.
Because like this is like a super well known thing.
It's more known now than it was when they started this.
I mean, like as people started telling their stories and people hear them and then they're
like, oh my gosh, like I've seen flannel man.
I've seen a man in plaid show up either in my bedroom or along the side of the road.
It's a little more owner, I say like believable.
Oh, yeah.
Because these people aren't just hearing the story and then saying, oh, I saw him.
Like it wasn't like implanted in their mind or anything.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And they're usually like shocked to hear that other people have seen this man and flannel.
So I feel like it's something that's a very specific but also like very general.
If that makes sense.
Like seeing a man in plaid, you're not automatically like, oh, that's something that is interesting
really.
It's just kind of general.
But then when you see other people start having the same saying the same things over,
it's like, oh, maybe that isn't so general.
It's kind of specific.
Yeah.
Well, I think some of that, you know, it's in an isolated incident.
It's like maybe it's just very innocuous.
Yeah.
When you get down to like the pattern recognition of it all, it's like, oh, that seems more meaningful.
Yeah.
Like there's more to it.
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say and explaining it better because I
was just like, it's general, but it's also specific.
Yeah.
No, but it's one of those things where actually I just was watching a show and they were talking
about how the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
Oh, yes.
Basically, you know, and yeah, Cassie can really, that's so funny.
It's all, it all ties together.
Cassie came into my room because I was going to go look for something plaid and I was like,
oh, you can't come in here.
And I literally never said that.
Usually she's like standing outside the door like, can I come in?
Like suddenly, you know, one or both of Chris and I will be naked somehow, but I don't
know what they do in there.
You guys.
I'm like, I was literally in the doorway 15 seconds ago.
I don't know how quickly.
Well, when you said that to your like, oh, you can't come in here.
I'm looking right at you and I was like, oh, are you naked?
Yeah, you did.
Yeah.
Are you naked?
I'm looking at you.
Like what?
Well, and it was just us here at the house.
Yeah.
But it was because there's something that's forecasty, but it's not pretty yet.
So I saw nothing.
Yeah, she's like, I don't know.
I saw nothing, apparently not even Caitlin standing right in front of me fully clothed.
Yeah.
Talk about pattern recognition.
So that's me.
I don't notice things.
I feel like you'd notice Plano Man.
I think that's what really matters.
Yeah, I probably would notice you, Plano Man.
Yeah.
If you'd like to show yourself, not at Caitlin's, we've established.
So no one really knows what Plano Man is or what he, she, they mean or want.
But some people think he might be some type of spirit guide.
The people that don't get like the really bad vibes from him kind of think maybe he's
a spirit guide or even an interdimensional entity.
Oh, so he's just like popping in and out of dimensions here and there.
That's so weird because do you remember me saying that in every iteration of you, in every
dimension, I think you're attracted to Plano Man?
Yeah.
Yeah, I do remember you saying that.
I was like, oh, it's interesting.
She brings up other dimensions.
Yeah.
Interesting choice of word.
A few people see him before having like, Promenicians or before seeing other things like Bigfoot or UFOs.
Really?
Yeah.
That's interesting.
It is really interesting.
And this is where we trip and fall right into a high-strangeness hole and pop out and
point pleasant West Virginia.
Oh.
And for anyone who doesn't know, point pleasant West Virginia is where the Mothman prophecies
takes place.
Okay.
So this book/movie, shout out Richard Gehr, talks about a lot of other strange things besides
just Mothman.
Okay.
And one of the stories in this book/movie, actually, I don't know if it's in the movie, I've
never actually seen the movie.
I will watch it.
What's this movie?
The Mothman prophecies.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
It's true.
It's a true story about this man looking into all these strange things.
One of them is Mothman.
Okay.
And a lot of other strange things happen around it, basically.
Okay.
Richard Gehr is in the movie.
And Richard Gehr is also there.
It's not a rom-com.
So one of the stories in the Mothman prophecies is about someone waking up at night.
I think it was a, I think this was a child.
And seeing a tall, checkered shirt man, he was staring.
And they couldn't make out the facial features very well.
No, thank you.
Other than a very large grin on his face.
Okay.
Well, that's just, it's rude.
So we have another grinning, flannel, assumedly.
They say a checkered shirt, but a checkered plaid, basically the same thing.
Yeah, yeah.
We have another grinning flannel man.
Like, what?
Okay.
That is so weird.
And this is a completely different story from like the mother and daughter who woke up
at the same time, seeing the same grinning flannel man.
Like this has happened a long time ago.
So it's interesting.
And it's even more weird just to me personally because I've had this show called Hellier, which
is like, it's a documentary about all this like high-strangeness stuff, kind of like the
Mothman prophecies.
Yeah.
It's a huge thread of like connection with the Mothman prophecies in the show that I've
been like binging and like it's been like my comfort background as I'm writing this.
So I was like, oh, that's like kind of weird.
And then so now I just feel like I'm so close to being initiated into something.
Something.
Something's happening.
You're on the verge.
I'm on the synchronicity path.
It's taken me somewhere.
I don't know where it's taken me, but stay tuned.
There's a really good chance I might snap this in half.
I feel like I'm about to lose Caitlin on all this really, really deep, weird stuff.
So we'll keep it light.
And that's for all in all of that for now.
But you guys, if you're interested in any of that, like that shit runs deep, like, yeah.
It's really interesting, but it does immediately kind of, it puts like the, gives you the tingles,
like the fighting senses, your hackles are going up.
A little bit weird stuff.
Hopefully I don't drag you down the hole with me.
I mean, I think it's a little too late for that.
You're like holding on to the edge and I'm holding you like, you're like pitch like
oh, my leg.
I don't want anything to do with it.
So all of this made me think of my weird Oregon book, which if you see the cover right
now on YouTube or Patreon, oh boy, has a picture of a giant Paul Bunions statue on the front
and he is wearing a red and white checker shirt.
He sure is in this book.
They have a chapter titled Bunions of the Beaver State.
That's hilarious.
I know.
Bunions of the Beaver State.
Wow.
That's a lot of bunions.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a double-on-pound.
But they talk about these two Paul Bunions statues that are in Oregon and they don't have
anything to do with Bunions on your feet.
They're Paul Bunions.
The very first giant hunk of Paul Bunion fiberglass was made in Venice, California for a
cafe in Flagstaff, Arizona.
The same mold was used to create muffler men.
They are these giant dude statues, like these Paul Bunions statues.
They weren't just lumberjacks.
They were like many other various manly man figures.
They were at car shops or muffler shops.
I don't know if they were like a muffler shops or a Michelin man.
No, I'm kind of like that, but they're called the muffler men and they are supposed to
draw people into like get their mufflers muff for what other car things happen at car places.
I don't know.
Get your mufflers muffler.
You're going to get your mufflers muffed.
The first one was a lumberjack that they were all various different types of manzes.
Giant manzes.
I'm going to look at that a little bit more later.
Just go ahead and open it.
Did you see any?
They're just giant men statues.
Okay.
The 60s, am I right?
They were a time.
Grandspass Oregon still has a giant Paul Bunions statue in front of the cedarwood saloon.
I don't know if he's still there.
The last picture I saw was on Facebook in 2017.
He was looking a little rough.
His face is all chipped and stuff.
I don't know if he's still there.
I was just going to say if anyone lives there, it knows.
Send us a picture.
Yeah.
In the 90s, someone was upset with the new owners and they pulled this poor Paul down with
a truck and then drug him across the street.
Oh, I know.
Oh, no.
And then since then, I feel like he's been a little cursed.
Okay.
Cars have run into him.
He's been shot with BB guns.
Oh my gosh.
And one fateful wind storm.
He was decapitated.
Oh my God.
So somehow they got his head back on.
Super glue.
I guess so.
Yeah.
So I don't know who knows if he hasn't just completely fallen apart.
But it's time to give up the ghost.
Yeah.
Poor guy.
Poor Paul.
Poor Paulie.
Getting decapitated and shit.
That's rough.
This is one of my random thoughts in here too.
Like what if all the flannum and spirits are of abused Paul Bunyan statues?
That's kind of freaky.
I'm not going to lie.
That's why they're all so tall.
Yeah, I guess that would make sense.
But this guy on the front, they say that he's probably pretty happy.
Like look at this big old grin.
He has on his face.
Very creepy.
He's grinning.
Yeah.
He's the grinning flannel man.
He is in downtown Portland, Oregon.
This Paul Bunyan statue was made for Oregon's 100th birthday to honor the timber industry.
Shout out to Ralph.
Ralph Ralph Reigns.
Yes.
Junior.
Ralph.
Yeah.
Ralph Jr.
That was such a good episode.
Yeah.
That was a good one.
Awful.
But like he's so sweet.
Both of the timber heirs that we've talked about because the other is obviously the warehouse
or kids.
It's like, woof.
That's a little.
Yeah.
They're both a little dark.
So they placed him near the border to Washington as a little, hey girl, welcome in.
And they did move him about 50 feet from his original spot to make way for like the trains
and shit.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, as the city grows, yeah, I'm excited.
I'm going to move some stuff.
But he's not too far.
He was directly across from the Dancin’ Bare Strip Club.
And that's B-A-R-E.
Not like a dancing bear.
I feel like if you really want to be on brand though, bear, you know, B-E-A-R.
Yeah.
That's true.
Speaking of Strip Club's titties.
Today's.
I was very on theme.
But from a quick little Goog map search, it looks like the Dancin' Bare is now closed.
To COVID.
Oh, I know.
From the COVID shutdown, they just couldn't recover, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, that kind of sucks.
So he was like really happy for a while looking over all the strippers.
But now I don't know.
Maybe his grin is slowly turning into a frown.
Well, to go visit him.
I don't know that I've ever seen this.
Yeah.
I think I have it.
I'm trying to place it.
And it's like iconography in my head.
Yeah.
I see it.
I feel like I've actually seen it in person.
Maybe I've seen it.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I...
Maybe the fact that we can't remember if we've seen it is like something weird happening.
Something.
It's...
Oh, it's something.
It's something.
We'll have to go find him next time we're down there.
All right.
Well, you know, we're, you know, we make other plans.
Things happen and, you know, you have a couple drinks and suddenly you're just, you know,
not doing that.
But look how he smiles.
This also kind of made me think of like we've talked about a couple different lumberjack
ghosts.
I feel like in some of our episodes, I think Lithia Park had a lumberjack.
Yeah.
I don't know if it was the St. Helens one where the lumberjack was just like sitting in
a booth at the restaurant.
That sounds like maybe I'm one of those.
Lithia Park for sure.
Yeah.
Like that rings a bell for me and I remember that, but I don't know, I can't say for sure about
which other one.
Yeah.
I think it was the St. Helens one where we talked about that restaurant.
But yeah.
Someone, you know, go listen to all of our episodes and correct me.
Yeah.
Please.
No big deal.
Have your friends listen.
So I want to kind of end this with a little funny Reddit thread here.
Okay.
Very short.
Just a couple of comments.
So the OP says, has anyone had a sighting sloshing counter with the flannel shirt man and
suspended account extrasandwich232. suspended.
Oh.
So you guys, I don't know if you know when you copy and paste this, it shows you that this
account, it like copies in suspended account next to the name.
So I thought that was interesting.
Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have known.
Yeah.
That is interesting.
But I thought that was funny just because of what they say next.
So yeah.
Quote.
I saw the flannel shirt man come out of my ex's house once.
She said he haunts her a few times a week.
Is that why she's next?
What?
I feel like she might just be cheating on you with a lumberjack.
Well, that's that's a possibility.
Yeah.
She wants me to see you in a few times a week.
Yeah.
If you spend any time on Reddit, a lot of cheating stories there.
Yeah.
On, on, am I the asshole?
Yeah.
A lot of them there.
A-I-T-A.
There was another comment from, it's like bbybluecheese83.
So I'm like, baby blue cheese 83 is how I read it in my head.
Only in the 90s with it tied around his waist.
I feel so attacked right now.
Wait, they're just, they're, because they're saying has anyone seen flannel shirt man and
they're like only in the 90s with it tied around his waist.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Yeah.
Kind of surprising, not really surprising.
I had this very flannel shirt tied around my waist last night.
I was flannel man in Portland last night.
I went downtown to the underhill haunted house.
Yeah, you did.
By myself.
Yeah.
All alone.
If you missed it, we had them come on for an interview that was a bonus a few weeks ago.
By now it's past Halloween now.
So they're not open anymore.
But they did give me like a lights on backstage tour.
Very cool.
And then I went through the haunted house and I did it by myself.
I did everything alone.
Yeah.
Which was an experience.
Um, yeah, I can imagine.
I'll share that experience with the Patreon.
I did do like a little recording of me walking through.
I have a lot of recordings of like the backstage of them doing makeup.
So yeah, we'll do a nice little Patreon bonus about that.
And I also wanted to tease you a little bit because only Patreon will get to know about
something very, very cool and very special that happened while I was there.
And I like, I totally fan-girled so hard.
It was like embarrassing how fan-girly I got over this.
Really?
Super secret detail that I'll share with the Patreon and the bonus.
Oh my God.
Look at my face.
I don't want to, but me too, right?
Like you'll tell me.
Of course I'll tell you.
You won't care.
Oh, okay.
Um, I want to know.
I want to know.
You'll get to know.
Okay.
So yeah, if you guys want to know, join our Patreon.
If you have any flannel man stories, please feel free to share them with us.
But also please send them to the Strange Familiars podcast so that they can like get all of these
stories collect them off for their book that they're going to write because they're doing
like a whole like anthology.
Yeah.
And I want this book so like I feel like they need more stories.
Yeah.
But also send them to us so that we can make them a creepy people chronicles, you know?
Obviously.
What's our email?
pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com.
Oh yeah.
Well, do you want to do some tarot?
Do we do some tarot?
Yeah, let's do tarot.
Let's do some tarot.
Land on man tarot.
All right.
What type of rigana use?
I don't know.
I brought my mushroom oracle.
Ooh, I feel like that feels like a feels appropriate.
It's feeling naturey.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was going to say unless you have one that you specifically have chosen, we can
always do the PNW.
I know you, but I think the mushroom that feels right.
I think so too.
Yeah.
Let's do some oracle.
Let's do it.
All right.
We're at the tarot.
I'm going to get my butt back out of my seat and go draw a card from the altar.
I have a mouse spread out there.
My mushroom oracle deck.
What you get?
I got the Amethyst Deceiver.
Oh.
It means deception.
Deception.
And I will get my little interpretation booklet from my computer real quick.
Okay.
Number four.
Should I read us some mushroom bags?
Oh, yeah, sure.
Well, they might give us some in the interpretation.
Okay.
I'll let you go first then.
Okay.
I just was trying to vamp.
Yeah, I don't know.
Some time to pull that up.
I want to know the mushroom facts for sure.
Okay.
It's on page 48.
All right.
It's actually a pretty sizable mushroom.
Does it look purpley in these pictures online?
It does.
Well, it's named Amethyst.
It like has to be.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it is edible, though, can contain high levels of arsenic if present in the soil.
Oh, interesting.
So like if there's arsenic in the soil, it'll like absorb it up.
Yeah.
Which I think would be true of like most plants.
Well, I mean, maybe not most plants because I feel like not all plants will absorb certain
nutrients, but or different things present in the soil.
Is arsenic a nutrient?
Well, yeah.
But just generally speaking, I think, you know, I'm, I'm no my callogist, but.
And I need to learn how to like pronounce the name, like the actual names of these.
Lacaria, Amethystina.
I was probably pretty close.
Yeah.
I think it sounds.
Yeah.
Lacaria.
Yeah.
Do you want me to look for pronunciation?
If you want.
Okay.
Why not?
Why not, you know?
Why not a fuck not?
Yeah.
So how you said it?
Okay.
Pretty close.
I wasn't way off.
Yeah.
No, you were right on the money.
Okay.
So I found in leaf litter in woodlands and under beach trees.
The Amethyst deceiver is an amazing violet color, which during wet weather will show a deep
purple.
It's very pretty.
Yeah.
Two others are purple, flannel, and not that we know of.
Not yet.
During dry weather, when it mature, when it matures, as we mature, the cap changes to a very
pale, almost white color, making this mushroom look similar to the other mushrooms that can
be poisonous.
Interesting.
So I thought that was interesting.
It's a deceiver.
Yeah.
But it looks similar to something like a human, but isn't like it's deceiving you.
Big old faker, baker.
You're not all on Bajak.
Yeah.
I found a picture that it shows when the mushroom cap sort of flattens out.
And it has sort of a depression in the center.
It looks like sort of like a little kind of looks like a bubble.
Oh, I like bubbles.
And that's it typically appears as the center of the cap, like kind of as it as it all flattens
out.
Oh, interesting.
Interesting.
Was there any more facts?
I think that was it for kind of like the facts.
We're going to go into the card meaning after that.
Okay.
Yeah.
So average mushroom height, four to six centimeters average cap width, 1.5 to five.
So it's not like a huge is it longer than normal?
Is it a longer mushroom?
Yeah.
It's also found in the UK.
Oh, which I thought was interesting.
It's interesting because like I didn't originally add in the UK because I think there was just like
one story.
But then because of your not burberry scarf, I added the UK.
Yeah.
I'm scrolling through because I did notice a couple of different things.
Just sort of like fun facts.
And this is a UK based website actually.
So they've got some really cool pictures of it.
So it grows in coniferous and deciduous forests.
When young, it's a distinctive, deep purple color, but it's bright color fades with age and
weathering making it difficult to identify.
I guess that's pretty much what you already said.
This is interesting though, but yeah.
The color changes kind of like the with the philonym and shirt.
Yeah.
Maybe as he ages, he changes different to different colored shirts.
I mean, maybe.
It's a bit of a spewing nonsense at this point.
Although edible, it looks similar to the poisonous lilac fiber cap.
So now we know what it, like what it's poisonous, at least one of the poisonous counterparts,
what that is and what it looks like.
I don't know if you saw any pictures that show sort of the underside of the mushroom.
That's where they call it like the gills.
Oh, yeah, the gills.
They're purple too.
Because if you think of like that sort of traditional red toadish, it's like red on one
side and then the underside is kind of a off white.
This one, it's like a lighter purple on the underside maybe, but it's like the purple
carries through like the whole mushroom.
Like even the stem has a purple hue.
It shows it in the little picture on the card.
Like it shows the from under view and then it also shows like a top of a shorter one.
So you could see like that little poke butthole that you were talking about all the time.
They look so strange in some of these pictures.
I'm going to send you this one because it's like the early, early stage.
It's super cute.
Oh, it's so cute.
Yeah.
It just looks so weird.
It's like purple thing coming out of these brown leaves like the sticky wet dirty forest.
Obviously it's not a very large mushroom.
It's super tiny in that shop because it's like very, that looks like very beginning stages
but it kind of looks like a dick.
Not gonna lie.
I found a couple of pictures where I was like that is legitimately a penis.
Ah, penis mushrooms.
Alright.
So I'll let you get into it.
Let's get into this card meaning here.
It says the deceiver mushroom comes to let you know that things may not be what they seem.
Okay.
Say more because I kind of felt like that went without saying.
But it's just interesting to like see it because he comes to you and like some people see
him before like really like high-strangeness things happen.
So yeah.
Yeah.
That was just interesting to me that's like the first sentence of this card.
You may be seeing things the wrong way or there is deceit of some kind appearing before
you.
Not all deceit is bad.
Oh, okay.
It can be a blessing in disguise.
It may not be a conscious thing.
Are you deceiving yourself about something?
Are you not allowing yourself to see what is right in front of you because you haven't
taken the time to truly see it?
Yeah.
Like maybe if you wake up in the middle of the night and there's a man in flannel at the
end of your bed and you snap your eyes back closed and just hope that it'll go away.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Usually he just like disappears though right in front of your eyes.
So that's kind of interesting.
I don't know.
If you like weren't scared or anything and you just kept looking at him like would he
stay?
I'm sure there are stories like that.
Stay there.
I'm sure there are stories like that.
Are we going to speak in riddles?
Basically.
Obviously.
When things appear to be one thing, but are actually another,
your intuition will know.
Clearly, it does.
Your intuition is your soul.
I must say, soup, your soup compass.
Your intuition is your soul compass.
Trust it implicitly.
Well, it is soup season as we briefly discussed earlier.
You got to get muzzboone.
Soup season.
Soup season less cheers because we actually can without bumping shit.
So smooth.
Was it cute in the camera?
I think so.
You guys, was it cute?
Was it cute?
Look at us.
Are we cute?
If you don't think we are, don't tell us.
Yeah, maybe just cute.
Yeah, just cute.
Sometimes assumptions are made about people or situations.
And this can come from a limited understanding or lack of interest
in really getting to know more.
Take the time to really observe and research the situation
until you are 100% sure of what you're looking at.
Don't let looks be deceiving.
Interesting.
That is so interesting because of the fact that there is this other podcast
totally diving deep and researching this whole thing, trying to figure out what it is.
I went hardcore on listening to every single episode to go deep on this reason.
I went deep on this research.
I probably didn't really need to go that deep on, but I can't help it.
Well, you were down the rabbit hole.
Well, down the rabbit hole.
That was a really good card for this one, I think.
Yeah, it was.
Good decision.
Yeah.
So weird that it brought up every single question and things that we were talking about.
Yeah, it really did.
Really did.
I think we got what we needed from this one.
Yeah, we did.
Should we do the thing that we do?
Yeah, probably.
Okay.
Have a previous day.
We'll see you next Tuesday.
We're in the forest.
Or in your bedroom.
Yeah.
Standing by your bed, staring at you.
Gichoflannel.
Or your oversized European scarf.
I wonder if wearing a panel would deter a panel man from showing up to you?
He's like, oh, I'm already here.
Or yeah, the deception thing, like seeing another mushroom that looks like you, but it's not.
So I'm just going to take this and I'm just going to turn it into a night out.
Yes, yes.
You know, that's what this is now.
Always sleep and flood from now on.
Alrighty.
We solved it.
Did it.
Asked and answered.
Plenal man.
What is it?
It's fall, y'all.
Oh, it's corn.
It's corn.
It's a big lump of knobs and it does have the juice.
It does have the juice.
So funny.
So at my job, there's like a puppy and she has this corn.
It's like a giant rubber corn and just loves it.
And every single time I see that fucking thing, I'm just like, it has the juice.
I can't not say it.
So anyway, no, you're not a monster.
Corn is fall, beamed.
Yeah.
So that totally fits in with this episode.
We don't have to cut it out.
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