1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,160 ♪ Entertain me, Entertain me right now ♪ 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,080 - Hello everybody, welcome to the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,520 I'm Shauna and I'm joined by... 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,800 - Olivia. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,200 - And before we get started, 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,600 we need to shout out our newest fan on Patreon. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Thank you Camille for subscribing to Pop Culture Junkie. 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,960 We love you, we love all of the listeners, 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,040 but we actually love Camille the most. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,920 So I want you to know that girl. 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,760 (laughs) 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,040 So if you want to shout out a sneak peek at our episodes 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,360 before anyone else, 14 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,760 then you too should head on over to the Patreon.com/popculturejunkie 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,920 podcast and subscribe. 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Thank you again, Camille. 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,480 And this week we have a very special guest joining us. 18 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,560 Michael E. Cullen, the second is an award-winning filmmaker, 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,440 a podcaster who we love. 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,080 Founder of Cullen Park Productions. 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,800 Michael has directed films like The Horror Comedy, 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,680 Pi Day Die Day. 23 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,040 That sounds amazing. 24 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,280 The Christmas horror film Sheld, 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,720 and co-produced films like A Night of the Living Dead, 26 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,840 The Final Act, and New Blood Awakening. 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,320 Michael Co-host, the podcast, All Too Real To. 28 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:19,280 A look at the Wild and Wacky Realm of Pop Culture. 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,160 Welcome to the show, Michael. 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,680 - Thank you, thanks for having me. 31 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,600 - Yeah, absolutely. 32 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,000 That was quite the introduction 33 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,720 and I wanna know more about Pi Day Die Day immediately. 34 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,040 (laughing) 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,200 - Good thing is, is you can actually watch it right now 36 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,200 on Toobie. 37 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,120 - Ooh, it's on Tubi, that's amazing. 38 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,120 - Yeah, it's a, we shot it back in, like, mid-2010, 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,200 around there and it's a film that takes place 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,720 on Pi Day on March 14th, where small Ohio town 41 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,480 and a bunch of murder start happening 42 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,120 and it's up to the high school math teacher 43 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,760 and a couple of detectives to try to figure out, 44 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,240 you know, who the killer is and what's going on. 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,400 - That's amazing. 46 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,520 - Sadly recently, our star of the movie 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,920 who played the high school teacher passed away. 48 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:13,800 So yeah, he was only 50 years old and passed away, 49 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,640 I don't know where. 50 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,480 So one of my best friends, he was a really good guy, 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,160 Mark Klein, his name, so yeah, 52 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,960 but you can check that out on Toobie. 53 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,040 As an honor to Mark, I recommend doing it. 54 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,320 So yeah, it's a really, 55 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,920 Pi Day's in a couple days from when we're recording this, 56 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,040 so we're gonna have to watch it. 57 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,760 - It's a, you know, it's a real low budget, 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,240 so don't go in expecting anything spectacular. 59 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,200 - I love a good low budget fest, I love that. 60 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 - That's amazing. 61 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,360 I saw Christmas horror and I was immediately interested. 62 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,400 I made a stew and episode actually about Christmas horror, 63 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,320 so that really speaks to me on that note as well. 64 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 - Shelf, Shelf is the follow up. 65 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,040 We're trying to get that on Toobie soon, 66 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,040 but that is a movie about a little elf on a shelf dial sort of thing. 67 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,440 (laughing) 68 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,440 The horror comedy as well, 69 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,400 and it paralyzes a family little girl and mom and dad 70 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,880 and everything, and then there's a psychiatrist 71 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,360 and everything trying to figure out what's wrong. 72 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,160 And you know, I feel like most parents 73 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,640 who participate in the elf on a shelf, Christmas, 74 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Jabaka would really love that Christmas movie. 75 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 - They probably feel like the elf terrorizes them anyway 76 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,200 'cause they have to wake up and remember to move it every day. 77 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,200 - Yeah, literally. 78 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Some of the ones that you see on TikTok are like, 79 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,040 "We made a production. 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,120 "We had to clean the whole kitchen after this." 81 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:38,960 - Oh my god. 82 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,080 - They're quite crazy, so for any parents, 83 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,080 couldn't do it. 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,200 - Yeah, I think it's good. 85 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,640 It's good, I would never do that. 86 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Yeah, my best friend, Lindsay LaForest, 87 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,200 wrote both of those movies too, so any of the humor, 88 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,280 I will give credit to her, so. 89 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,560 - That's awesome. 90 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,400 - Yeah. 91 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,240 - I love that. 92 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,280 So how did you get started in your passion 93 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,320 of making films? 94 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,160 I mean, what kind of sparked that interest in you? 95 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Was it from a young age? 96 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,920 - Yeah, I mean, I've always loved movie and theater 97 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 and stuff of that nature since I was a little kid. 98 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Probably, I mean, like, I'm in my 40s, 99 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,720 and when I was a kid, I would watch American movie classics, 100 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,120 which is now AMC. 101 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,640 And there were old movies on there, 102 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,920 and I'd watch those all the time. 103 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Like, I remember one night watching Rubble Without A Cause, 104 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,440 and that kind of just like blew my mind, 105 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,720 and I was like, okay, I need to do that somehow. 106 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,560 I don't know what that is, but I need to do that, 107 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,480 'cause I was probably about nine years old when I saw it, 108 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,000 and I was like, yep, that's something I need to do. 109 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,600 And I had a little like, real cheap video camera as a kid, 110 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,240 and we made movies in my backyard and stuff 111 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,240 that, you know, I don't know where they are now, 112 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,560 but the first one was like a horror movie. 113 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,760 I'm not even into horror movies, 114 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,320 but we did a horror movie when I was a kid 115 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,640 called the Unknown Paperboy, 116 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,000 and I played the Paperboy, 117 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,600 and then my cousin played the Paperboy, 118 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,560 and both of us have completely different frames, body frames. 119 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,480 Just no continuity at all. 120 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,000 I love that. 121 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,080 That's amazing. 122 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,240 Very cool. 123 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Yeah. 124 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,600 And so what was the first film that you professionally 125 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,200 directed or produced? 126 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,200 The side's obviously the Paperboy. 127 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Hey, hey, hey. 128 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,480 Oh, and probably, like when I got into college, 129 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,640 I started doing things, and I probably, 130 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,440 I mean, I made some like real short little films and stuff, 131 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,280 and I made short films, 132 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:30,040 I mean, most of them are short films in college, 133 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,920 and probably the first one was a weird movie 134 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,960 called The Book of Life, 135 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080 where it was about a guy missing in the woods, 136 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,080 and his friends go off to look for him, 137 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,520 and he, it was like real surreal and weird, 138 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,680 and kind of, I was told it was David lynching in, 139 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,360 but I didn't even know what that meant at the time, 140 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400 'cause I hadn't seen a lynch movie. 141 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,000 Thank you, I guess. 142 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Yeah. 143 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,080 And then, yeah, it was like, he goes into the woods 144 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,680 and finds a book that supposedly has the meaning of life in it, 145 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,560 and then, and it's all this time in there, 146 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,200 and yeah, it was, it was bad, but yeah, it was. 147 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,280 I'm sure it was amazing. 148 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:08,120 That's awesome. 149 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,040 [LAUGHTER] 150 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:10,720 I love that. 151 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,640 So it's interesting. 152 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,240 You said you're not a big horror fan, 153 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,240 but we've made a few horror films. 154 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,080 I kind of brought you into that. 155 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,000 I mean, I like horror. 156 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,280 It's not that I don't like it. 157 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,720 It's just not my favorite genre. 158 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,640 I don't even know if I really have a favorite genre, 159 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,200 but it's, I think I like more of like, you know, 160 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,200 what I want to go into now, because I just 161 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,400 wrote a screenplay that's kind of a coming of age film 162 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,920 that takes place in the '90s, and with some teenagers, 163 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,080 I don't want to get away too much else. 164 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,280 But that's kind of more of my like, when I watch movies, 165 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,360 that, or like I really like, you know, 166 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,200 movies based on true stories and stuff. 167 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,560 So that too. 168 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,480 But I don't know. 169 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,600 It's just horror kind of just fell into my lap, 170 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,480 because around in Toledo, where I lived, 171 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,560 I lived, I don't live in Toledo anymore, 172 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,800 but where I lived, there was the film community. 173 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Everybody was making horror movie. 174 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,800 So it was just easy to like get on a crew to that, 175 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,440 and then eventually we filmed a movie at my best friend's 176 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,360 house, and she had never written anything. 177 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,840 And she's just like, I could write a movie, 178 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,040 and I'm like, I'll go for it. 179 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,560 And then so we made the two that I directed. 180 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,480 So yeah. 181 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,520 It's a real Matthew McConaughey moving into more films, right? 182 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Everybody starts in horror. 183 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,440 So-- 184 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Oh, yeah. 185 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,520 Yeah. 186 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,720 We talked about that too on one of our episodes 187 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,000 was how many famous actors and producers have 188 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,040 gotten their start in horror movies. 189 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,520 And how it's like, horror doesn't usually 190 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,600 get the respect that it deserves sometimes, 191 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,720 because there's some masterpieces out there. 192 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,120 I like a lot of horror movies, but like I said, 193 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,760 it's not my favorite genre, but it's 194 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,760 they're easy to make to a lot of time. 195 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,680 They're fun. 196 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,160 It's not anything in horror is ever taken too seriously, 197 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,240 so it's kind of easy. 198 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,400 People will forgive mistakes in horror more 199 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,080 than they would in like a drama. 200 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,840 So you are also the host of a podcast called All Too Real Two. 201 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Tell us a little bit about that. 202 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,400 What do you guys talk about in the show? 203 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,120 It's kind of just like a catch all pop culture show, 204 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,200 probably similar to yours. 205 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,800 But we talked-- we started out-- 206 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,560 it's a sequel to another podcast. 207 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,200 That's why the two-- 208 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,720 I was wondering what the two was there. 209 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,720 OK. 210 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,560 We used to have a podcast called All Too Real, 211 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,400 where we watched movies based on true stories. 212 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,480 But we got bored with that. 213 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,200 So we created a sequel podcast to do on the side. 214 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,960 And then we just stopped doing the original podcast. 215 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Just stuck with the name. 216 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,960 We kind of started out originally doing movies 217 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,400 that were like directive video sequels, like Honey 218 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,840 We Shrunk ourselves or-- 219 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Oh my god. 220 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:50,680 I remember that movie. 221 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,520 Like, "2/3/2, Jingle All the Way, 2, both starring." 222 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,040 We can't get any of the original cast on there. 223 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,440 We have an ongoing hatred towards Larry the Cable Guy 224 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,480 on our podcast because-- 225 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Oh my god. 226 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:04,800 It's movies. 227 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Yeah. 228 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,360 But-- or Dan Whitney was-- 229 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,120 who's Daniel Whitney is his real name. 230 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,320 But my co-host is named Matthew Haas. 231 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,000 He goes by Sesame and Carter on our podcast, though, 232 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,240 because he just is him. 233 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,240 And Don-- 234 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Yeah. 235 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Yeah. 236 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Yeah. 237 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,680 We need nicknames, Olivia. 238 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:26,680 I know. 239 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,720 We're just out here being boring. 240 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,120 We're going to live in our names. 241 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Sesame and Carter. 242 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,520 Sesame and Carter. 243 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Our early episodes were-- 244 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,480 He went by his real name, and then eventually he just decided, 245 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,640 hey, I'm going to change my name. 246 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,720 And I'm like, OK, you go. 247 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,920 I'd go for it. 248 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,840 And Carter, isn't that like the old disk 249 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,240 we used to get as kids? 250 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Like the-- 251 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,880 That's what you're talking about? 252 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,920 Yeah. 253 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:53,680 Oh my gosh. 254 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,720 That might have been before your time, Olivia. 255 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,680 It was like an encyclopedia, and you could get it 256 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,800 like a DVD or a disk and put it in your computer. 257 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,160 And that's how you research stuff. 258 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,400 It was like, whoa. 259 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,560 But not online. 260 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:08,360 Yeah. 261 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,800 You had to buy the disk. 262 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,040 And you couldn't edit it. 263 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,080 It was kind of like an encyclopedia books that are encyclopedia, 264 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,960 but it was a disk. 265 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Yeah. 266 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Yeah. 267 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,840 That's amazing. 268 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:16,840 Yeah. 269 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,640 That's amazing. 270 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,080 Shana could tell by the glazed-over look in my-- 271 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Yeah, you were like, yeah, no idea that it is. 272 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,200 The head was nodding. 273 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:25,720 It's not. 274 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,920 You can't tell on a podcast, but there was nodding. 275 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,560 That's when the age gap comes out just a little bit. 276 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:33,880 Just a little bit. 277 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,840 So you mentioned making a movie about kids in the '90s. 278 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,120 And you also mentioned during your 40s, 279 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,120 that's kind of when you grew up watching pop culture. 280 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 What were some of the stuff that you grew up watching 281 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,840 and that you were into? 282 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,960 Well, I mean, if we go into when I was in high school 283 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,360 and stuff, it was like Kevin Smith movies and things 284 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,480 of that nature that got me-- 285 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,080 I'm friends with a lot of people that are in his universe now, 286 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,160 just randomly. 287 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,440 I interviewed a couple of people from his films. 288 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,080 Yeah, it's interesting. 289 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,520 That kind of indie films is what kind of got me going back then. 290 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,200 But I mean, there was also when I was really young, 291 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,680 I was like Star Wars and stuff like that. 292 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:19,640 A lot of sci-fi. 293 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,600 I was really into sci-fi as a kid. 294 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,240 So I was basically under the nobody's eye too. 295 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,000 So sci-fi. 296 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,760 [LAUGHTER] 297 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Well, that is the perfect segue then, 298 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:35,080 because we are going to talk about a sci-fi show that was made 299 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,200 definitely before I was born. 300 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,600 1983's V, V, the original series. 301 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,360 Is that what we call it? 302 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,760 Or V, the mini series? 303 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:44,680 V, the mini series. 304 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,280 Because then there's the final battle 305 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,840 and then the TV series after that. 306 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,560 That's right. 307 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:53,240 So let's take a quick break and get into some sci-fi, 80s, 308 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,240 nerd dumb. 309 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,320 Welcome back. 310 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,760 So as we mentioned, Michael is joining us today 311 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,760 to talk about V. In 1983, NBC Television, 312 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,800 mini series about an invasion of seemingly friendly aliens 313 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,280 here on Earth. 314 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,680 The two-part mini series was the second most popular program 315 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,920 the week it was released and was followed by a sequel like Michael 316 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,440 mentioned called V, the final battle, which 317 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,760 came out a year later in 1984. 318 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,680 So now that I watched V, the mini series, really 319 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,080 want to watch the final battle. 320 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 I loved it. 321 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,880 I did too. 322 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,520 I hadn't seen it in decades. 323 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,080 Yeah, so you watched it all the way through before. 324 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,040 This was your second viewing then? 325 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,160 Yeah, probably. 326 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,200 I mean, I think-- so OK, with my age-- and I'm 47. 327 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,400 So when it came out, I was probably about five or six. 328 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,440 Yes, that you were a kid. 329 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,680 Theygly remembered my parents watching it 330 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:01,160 and freaking out when you could see the aliens being revealed 331 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:01,640 and-- 332 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Yes. 333 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Yeah, I know. 334 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 --and nightmares for the longest time after that. 335 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,720 Yeah. 336 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,120 They're creepy. 337 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,720 They're creepy as hell. 338 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,120 It is really interesting to see how that piece of media 339 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,560 really kind of comes into popular day today. 340 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:21,760 When I was watching it, I was like, oh, is this where 341 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,400 lizard people started? 342 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,800 Like, amongst-- the lizard people are among us. 343 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,560 Like, that kind of seed and kernel within conspiracy theories. 344 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:31,920 Like, did it originate here? 345 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Was that an original idea within the show? 346 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,200 That's something in the Los Angeles sewer system. 347 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,280 I don't remember it there. 348 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,680 I feel like I learned the backstory of that at one point. 349 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:44,560 I don't remember what it was. 350 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,800 The reason-- there is a conspiracy theory that 351 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,160 is really popular by a British former sportscaster. 352 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,200 And soccer player named David Ike about people usually 353 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,760 hire up in society like the queen or the president's. 354 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,560 Those are people wearing fake faces and stuff like that. 355 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,600 Yes. 356 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,440 But I guess the conspiracy theory actually 357 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,280 dates back to about the 1700s originally. 358 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,240 So yeah, but I don't know the whole history of it 359 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,360 that I was reading a little bit on it the other day. 360 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,120 So yeah. 361 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,000 I still feel like it's a thing. 362 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,840 I remember even when Hillary Clinton 363 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,440 was running for president, people look, 364 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,800 you see her being a lizard person. 365 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,880 She's so stupid. 366 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Yeah, there was-- 367 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,880 see, you're thinking Hillary Clinton. 368 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,560 I was like, there was this Justin Bieber-like-faked video 369 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,760 of him turning into a lizard person in the 2010s. 370 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,320 So yeah. 371 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,120 So everyone-- everyone's a lizard person. 372 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,360 Everyone's a lizard person. 373 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,880 I can't help her. 374 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Anybody except for Donald Trump or something. 375 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,480 But yeah. 376 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Oh yeah, no. 377 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,600 He's perfect. 378 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,200 He could never possibly be a lizard person. 379 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,080 He could never lizard. 380 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Never lizard. 381 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,520 No. 382 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,400 So people who have-- I had never heard of V before. 383 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,600 We decided we were going to watch the show and discuss it. 384 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,040 So for other people like me, who might not have heard of it 385 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,960 before, it begins when a massive alien spacecraft of peers 386 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,280 over multiple cities worldwide. 387 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,320 The aliens called visitors-- 388 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,840 or that's what people kind of colloquially start calling them-- 389 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,760 look human, but wear sunglasses and speak with kind of a weird 390 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,640 inner vocal effect in their throats. 391 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,880 They are led by their supreme commander, Diana, 392 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,400 who is hot as hell. 393 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,520 Oh my god. 394 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Yeah. 395 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Beautiful. 396 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,040 What a fox. 397 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,360 Even eating that guinea pig, I was like, I'm 398 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,000 like, I'd let you eat me. 399 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,200 You can eat my guinea pig any day, Diana. 400 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,000 Listen. 401 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Sorry, Michael. 402 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Oh, no, you're little. 403 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,360 This is us. 404 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 This is us. 405 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,720 So the visitors claim to come in peace, seeking chemicals 406 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,360 and minerals to save their dying planet. 407 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,280 And initially, everybody's like, oh my god, the visitor is 408 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,880 yay, and there's action figures made. 409 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,600 And slowly but surely, they start to take over the government 410 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,280 and take over the media, brainwash people. 411 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,600 The visitors are not our friends. 412 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,520 You guys? 413 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,000 No. 414 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,480 Yeah. 415 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,520 No. 416 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,400 Well, and I think it's important to kind of say, 417 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,160 like how they got us to believe them, just knowing what we 418 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,120 know today about the way that we embrace new cultures is they 419 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,960 come in and say, like, if you give us resources, 420 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,000 we will cure you of all of your problems, all of your resource 421 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,200 issues, help you heal the earth, help you cure diseases. 422 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 And so they really kind of promise, like, hey, we have all the 423 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:42,600 answers. 424 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,000 And we'll give them to you if you just give us some of your resources 425 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,640 from your factories. 426 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,240 I mean, they make it seem like it's going to be a peaceful kind 427 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,520 of quid pro quo situation. 428 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,080 But I think it's just-- it speaks obviously in allegory 429 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360 for just the rise of fascism, right? 430 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,880 And they even have the grandfather who 431 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,680 was a survivor of the Holocaust, who 432 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,480 can see his dumb ass grandson-- 433 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,760 God, that grandson's the worst character. 434 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,520 I hate it, though. 435 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,200 Oh, I don't even remember his stupid name, but he was the dumb-- 436 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,280 The dumb jock. 437 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,480 The dumb jock. 438 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,120 Daniel, I think it was. 439 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:21,640 Yeah. 440 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,320 Daniel, what a dumb jock name. 441 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,920 I'm just kidding. 442 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,000 If your name is Daniel, we love you. 443 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,400 Love you, Daniel. 444 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,480 Join Patreon, Daniel. 445 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,920 His grandfather has to watch his grandson join this fascist 446 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,120 movement. 447 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:40,320 And like, he's basically seeing history repeat itself 448 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,840 from Naziism that he survived and that heroingly 449 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,960 tells his wife die. 450 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,760 I got a little misty when he was talking about his wife dying 451 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,240 in the Holocaust. 452 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,800 And I mean, it's basically-- 453 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,440 he was part of the visitor youth, which 454 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,240 is the Hitler youth. 455 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,360 He's exactly. 456 00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:59,360 So yeah. 457 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:04,480 And even their symbol looks quite a bit like a swastika. 458 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,520 And the uniforms are very like Utah. 459 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,080 It's Harry, and I guess is the word. 460 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,320 And it's very much symbolic. 461 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,000 I mean, in Grandpa Clark's at the minute he sees them. 462 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,440 He's like, nah. 463 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,000 That was reading though. 464 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,040 I was reading something, Robert England, who 465 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,680 was better known as Freddie Krueger. 466 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,400 He was the visitors in this, and he was Willie. 467 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,160 And he said that he was at a convention. 468 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,320 And somebody came up to him, and they 469 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,800 had that symbol tattooed on their chest. 470 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,000 Oh, no. 471 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,680 And he had to try to explain to them. 472 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,960 He's just like, yeah, you might not 473 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,560 want to do that. 474 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,360 Yeah, that's not what you think it is. 475 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,960 It reminds me of when people were getting the death mark 476 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,560 or whatever from Harry Potter. 477 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,360 And I'm like, it's kind of like a Nazi symbol. 478 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:53,760 Yeah, like a magical Nazi. 479 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,880 Maybe you don't stop me that. 480 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Oh, man. 481 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,280 I did like Robert England as Willie. 482 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,960 And Willie was definitely like-- 483 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,240 you got a soft spot for him. 484 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,640 So it was kind of nice to see that some of the visitors 485 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,480 were trying to break away from the, you know, 486 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,160 authority or the government and stuff 487 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,480 that they didn't agree with. 488 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,200 Like the one visitor who was helping our main character, 489 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,720 Mike, throughout the movie. 490 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,320 For the mini series, I guess. 491 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,440 Yeah. 492 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,800 It was really interesting to see how they kind of-- 493 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,400 like, I was just analyzing like the 1980s character tropes 494 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,920 within the humans as well. 495 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,400 And I think that one of the things they really had 496 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,800 was like the career woman. 497 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,120 It was just like so self-serving. 498 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,560 And like, is only looking to move herself forward 499 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,080 versus like the angelical, like mom, who just wants 500 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,040 to save everyone. 501 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,840 I thought that juxtaposition. 502 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Whereas now, like, if they adapted it 503 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,080 and I know they did it in the 2000s, 504 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 like, would that be such a, you know, 505 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840 clear, like self-serving business woman trope, 506 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,320 like the with the reporter? 507 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,120 Yeah, it's like the-- 508 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:11,520 I think the adaptation in 2011, the like spokesperson 509 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,600 for the aliens is a man. 510 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,680 Oh, interesting. 511 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,040 So yeah, I think Scott Wolf plays like a reporter in it 512 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,160 from what I remember reading. 513 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,800 I only watched it once or something when it was on. 514 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,400 I would didn't really get into it. 515 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,160 So yeah. 516 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,640 I don't even remember it being on. 517 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,120 But I definitely want to continue at the '80s series. 518 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,960 I'm like, I got to see what happens next. 519 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,800 I do-- I think that's interesting, Olivia. 520 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,240 Like, there are some intense stereotypes in this movie, 521 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,280 right? 522 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,760 There's intense racial stereotypes. 523 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,160 And I think it's just a product of its time being in 1983. 524 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,080 But it was still so progressive for its time 525 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,400 and what it was speaking to. 526 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,480 I was like, I'll give it some grace 527 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,800 for some of these more like moment. 528 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,280 Yeah. 529 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,560 The two African-American brothers were the ones kind of, 530 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,480 like, jive talking, I guess. 531 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,600 And then the other one's kind of smart doctor. 532 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,400 Like, it can't be those two, I guess. 533 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,840 No, it has to be one or the other. 534 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,320 And then like the Hispanic Gardener guy 535 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920 with his cowboy hat on the whole time. 536 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Yeah. 537 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,320 But I think what they're speaking to 538 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,480 and what they're getting at in the series 539 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,200 is so progressive for the '80s and something 540 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,200 that needed to be heard. 541 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,840 So I was like, all right. 542 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Sadly, really, really holds up. 543 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,280 And a lot of the things that are going on now, 544 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,400 where you've got like these people 545 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,840 that were just disappeared on there. 546 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,360 And then recently we had 547 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:45,800 McMood, Colliel, a protester from Columbia 548 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,240 who just was disappeared. 549 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,680 And eventually, but you know, things like that 550 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,000 are just happening with our government. 551 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,280 So I meant to mention all the concentration camps, 552 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,880 but that's what they are. 553 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Yeah. 554 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,920 No, 100%. 555 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,400 I think it's sad how much 556 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,000 it stands up today. 557 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,760 And like I remember Mark was on, 558 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,760 or I'm sorry, Mike. 559 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,800 The actor's name is Marcus Characters Mike. 560 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Mike was on the ship at one point and was like, 561 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,520 how did you guys even let somebody 562 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,560 that terrible get into power in the first place? 563 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,160 And he, the visitor was like, 564 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,240 I don't know, people didn't realize it at first 565 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,080 or he made a lot of great promises 566 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,200 or he had a big personality and was charismatic. 567 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,440 And I was like, no, that's weird. 568 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Sounds a little familiar. 569 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,840 But no, yeah, the people going missing 570 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,960 is definitely a little on the nose right now. 571 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,080 And it's really scary. 572 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,920 I mean, I know for me, 573 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,800 I'm very outspoken about progressive issues. 574 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Oh, same. 575 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,040 Us too. 576 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,920 I knew we'd like you, Mike. 577 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,160 Okay. 578 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,840 I'm just really worried. 579 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,160 I'm like, okay, should I say any of this stuff 580 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,520 I'm lying anymore or not? 581 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,640 Because who knows? 582 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,000 But yeah, I'm gonna still do it regardless. 583 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 If they want to put me in a camp, go ahead. 584 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,960 I mean, and it just, it's like the letter in the movie 585 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,640 that I keep calling it a movie, 586 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,280 but it felt like you know, just two movies, 587 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,480 the way we watched it. 588 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,800 The letter that Grandpa wrote and was like, 589 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,640 you guys need to stand up and fight. 590 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,960 This is what's right. 591 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,640 When his granddaughter was like, 592 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,360 I don't know, I don't, this seems dangerous. 593 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,440 We were already kidnapped. 594 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,520 We got away barely with our lives. 595 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,280 And it was like, no, I mean, 596 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,640 it's like that famous quote and I'm gonna butcher it, 597 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520 but it's like, first they came for the communists 598 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800 and I didn't stand up 'cause I'm not a communist 599 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,320 and then they came for the Catholics 600 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,600 and I didn't stand up 'cause I'm not a Catholic. 601 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,720 And then they came for me 602 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,200 and there was no one left to stand up for me, right? 603 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,040 So. 604 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,040 - It's funny too. 605 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Like even with that, they censored that poem 606 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,840 when it first came out. 607 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,440 It was originally, they said socialists 608 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,040 instead of communists. 609 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,680 - Interesting. 610 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,840 - 'Cause they didn't want to put any emphasis 611 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,440 on communism until they needed to. 612 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,920 Like basically they already were setting up 613 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,240 the whole idea for the Red Scar, 614 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,000 which is another thing that's very similar 615 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,240 to what's happening here. 616 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,760 So yeah. - Yeah. 617 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,840 - Yeah. 618 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,880 - That's so interesting. 619 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480 So have you watched the rest of the mini series? 620 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,240 Did you want, or the final battle? 621 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,560 - I probably did. 622 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,000 I just don't remember it. 623 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,120 So yeah. - Yeah. 624 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,160 I'd be very interested to see how they wrap it all up 625 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,160 and if they continue with like the political allegory 626 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,000 and if it's, you know, how did they save it? 627 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Maybe we could take some notes. 628 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,920 (laughing) 629 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,560 How did they stop fascism? 630 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,000 - I was doing some research on like what it happened. 631 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,160 Like Kenneth Johnson who created, 632 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,880 he wrote the mini series and created it. 633 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,600 He was, he had creative differences with them 634 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,160 for the final battle. - Yeah. 635 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,160 - And were taken off the project. 636 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,680 They basically rewrote a lot of the stuff. 637 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600 They still had to give him credit, 638 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,280 but he decided to change his name to Lilian Weezer 639 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,880 for some reason. 640 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,400 - Interesting, fan name. 641 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,320 He went on to create the series afterwards though, right? 642 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,760 - He still gets creative credit, 643 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,280 but he had nothing to do with it. 644 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,280 - Interesting. 645 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,360 Did he come back for the 2009 one? 646 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,400 - He gets creative credit, 647 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,520 but he had nothing to do with it. 648 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,800 - Nothing with that one either. 649 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,960 - He's like, he's in his 80s now 650 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,440 and he's still trying to do a movie remake of the original. 651 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,600 - He's said it was, it was a good idea. 652 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,960 I'm gonna keep it going. 653 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,880 - It was a good idea, but come on bro. 654 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,720 - Come on. 655 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,440 - I know there were some comic books as well, 656 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,640 but I didn't go a chance to pick it. 657 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,560 - So what I understand, the TV series 658 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,520 just was real lower budget. 659 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,920 And it was turned into kind of like a, 660 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,480 like they said dynasty with aliens. 661 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Like it was like, 662 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760 like a nighttime soap opera, but with an alien. 663 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,920 - Oh god. 664 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,400 I definitely got that. 665 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Like between the love interests 666 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,240 and the main guy in it, 667 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,800 where he's just like this Casanova, 668 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,800 who's like he was making everyone fall in love with him. 669 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,320 And yeah, I think that one of the most interesting things 670 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,240 about this show and how prophetic it was 671 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,520 was them really just straight going for the scientists. 672 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,840 And of course we, we all lived through 2020. 673 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,840 We've seen it continue into other things, 674 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,160 but it was really, it wasn't necessarily people 675 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720 that could physically overthrow them 676 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,080 or physically fight them, 677 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600 but mentally would ask questions. 678 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,600 And it really just kind of like spoke to this target demographic 679 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,360 that people would go after, 680 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,960 which are people who are making educated questioning 681 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,760 and things like that. 682 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,680 - Yeah, anybody willing to stand up and like fight back 683 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,760 and actually question the things that they see 684 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,920 around them for sure. 685 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,760 - And it's like right now, 686 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,760 we're they're trying to dismantle 687 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,800 at the Department of Education. 688 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,680 And we've stuck up a thing where everybody just, 689 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,200 you know, somehow thinks that Dr. Fauci was an evil person. 690 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,120 - Am I right? 691 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,520 - I had a, I mean, it's just yesterday at my work, 692 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,840 we have like a meeting every night 693 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,840 and there's this older guy, he's like in his 70s. 694 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,040 And he started saying some outlandish COVID conspiracies. 695 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840 I'm like, dude, it's 2025. 696 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,240 - Yeah, man, get a new conspiracy, come on. 697 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,800 - Maybe don't though, 'cause I don't want to see 698 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,240 what they come up with next. 699 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,240 (laughing) 700 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,680 - This guy has all these alt right conspiracy 701 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,480 of the party. - He's a gate bullshit. 702 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,520 Yeah. 703 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,840 - But he was, he scared me because I corrected him 704 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,880 and he was yelling at me. 705 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,880 Like I literally felt like a little kid all of a sudden. 706 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,720 I was just like, 707 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,800 - I hate that feeling. 708 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,680 I hate that. - He got that crazy eyes going. 709 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,360 - My boss had to like calm him down 710 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,880 because he was just going off like crazy. 711 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,120 You know, that's the type of thing 712 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,960 where people get so baked into their conspiracies. 713 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,600 - They're confronted with the truth 714 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,400 and don't know how to handle it, right? 715 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,120 And it's like, and then we get, 716 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,120 it's very rare as an adult that you get yelled at like that. 717 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:01,960 Right? 718 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,800 So that's why you're like, oh God, 719 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,880 you start to feel like a kid again. 720 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,640 But then you have to be like, wait a minute, I'm right. 721 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Wait a minute. 722 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,360 (laughing) 723 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,920 - I was like, this guy's the dumbass. 724 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,000 - And he's like yelling at me and I'm like, 725 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000 my parents never even yelled at me like this. 726 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,840 - Yeah. 727 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,680 (laughing) 728 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800 - It's like when the truth is right in front of you. 729 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,600 It reminds me of that movie, don't look up. 730 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,600 That came out two years ago and God, 731 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,680 that was for the most fucking frustrating movie 732 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000 I've seen in so long because the truth is literally 733 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,520 just right there if you raise your head and look at it. 734 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,360 But that was such a conversation of just, 735 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,120 you know, the MAGA movement too, 736 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,320 that it's just like it's right there guys. 737 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,160 Come on. 738 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,160 - Yeah, you can, I mean, my father who is in his late 70's, 739 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,200 he's very much a Trump supporter and he, 740 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,200 I will tell him something and he, I'll show him facts 741 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,840 and he's like, are you sure that wasn't like AI or something? 742 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,400 And I'm like, you don't even understand how AI works. 743 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,440 (laughing) 744 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400 - But then when they see something that is AI, 745 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920 like a picture of Jesus surrounded by like ducks 746 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,640 and scarlet joeants and they're like, 747 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,880 oh, hashtag blessed. 748 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Amen. 749 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,800 - Comment amen for blessings. 750 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,640 - Yes. 751 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,480 - Okay. 752 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,640 (laughing) 753 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,560 - Jesus is just hanging out with an Avenger. 754 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Yeah, they're basically. 755 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,240 - Yeah. 756 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,240 (laughing) 757 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,840 - Oh, hashtag blessings. 758 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,960 I got that viral video a couple years ago where she's like, 759 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,040 mom, mom, they found Jesus, he came back and the mom's like, 760 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,720 she'll be the video. 761 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,560 I want to see you. 762 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,560 - Show it to me right now. 763 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,400 - Yeah. 764 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,880 - She starts a weepie. 765 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,560 - Oh my God. 766 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,360 - Sometimes I regret the day we, 767 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,640 we taught parents how to access Facebook and Instagram. 768 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,720 - How to internet. 769 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,760 - Yeah, how to internet. 770 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,280 Like, would we have been better off 771 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,680 would this have ever happened? 772 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,880 That's like that butterfly effect of, 773 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560 if we just didn't give them the information, 774 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 like would this have ever happened? 775 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,920 But, you know. 776 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,960 - It was like a year ago that my dad found out 777 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,920 that there was more to the internet than Facebook. 778 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,200 - Oh gosh. 779 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,240 I can actually look at facts on here. 780 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,240 - I can. 781 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,600 - He's like, he just thought that the internet was Facebook 782 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,120 and I'm just like, that's adorable. 783 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,320 - You sweet, sweet summer child. 784 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,840 (laughing) 785 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,000 - Good man. 786 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,360 It can be used for good, it can be used for evil. 787 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,560 It's like, yeah, honestly, anything 788 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,720 because there's been so many ways 789 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520 that I've organized over Facebook 790 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,200 for progressive movements and causes 791 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280 and for abortion rights over the summer 792 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,440 and then it can be used to spread some fascism 793 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400 and some visitors style propaganda. 794 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,680 - Yeah, and this movie, let's what's said, 795 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,800 this mini series or movie or what I'm gonna call it, 796 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280 it's a very poignant, 797 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920 I actually think people should watch it. 798 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,120 - I totally agree. 799 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,760 - But it's available, I mean, it's on Plex 800 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,840 or something that's where I found it. 801 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,680 - Plexi, me too, yeah. 802 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,120 - Something's like a film. 803 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,280 - You've been in prime video, I think. 804 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,960 - Oh, Plex and Prime, okay. 805 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,600 - Like, I think I'm a prime, you have to pay for it. 806 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,440 - Oh. 807 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,440 - Pretty sure, but yeah, so yeah. 808 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,280 - Plex, pluck it up. 809 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,120 - Yeah. 810 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,280 (laughing) 811 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,120 - Yeah. 812 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,480 - Well, I definitely recommend it to anybody who, 813 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040 I don't know, anybody who's a fan of sci-fi 814 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,240 or who just, I mean, anything that you've listened to 815 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640 I say and you go, okay, yeah, that sounds like something 816 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,720 that I would be interested in wanna support too. 817 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440 Check out V, 1983. 818 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,000 Watch a lady swallow a guinea pig hole. 819 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,840 - It's hot. 820 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,680 - It's hot. 821 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,840 - It's what's metal. 822 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,680 (laughing) 823 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,680 - That's it, just watch that. 824 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,920 - Honestly, like Diana just, oh, so beautiful. 825 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,960 - Take that part. 826 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,320 - So beautiful, but so beautiful. 827 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,000 - So evil and so beautiful. 828 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,840 - Yes. 829 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,400 - Sometimes I go hand in hand, you know? 830 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,240 - Yes. 831 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,240 - Yeah. 832 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,400 (laughing) 833 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,400 (dramatic music) 834 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,800 - So besides old 1983 mini series, 835 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400 what else have you been into lately, you guys? 836 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,400 What are you watching, reading, listening to? 837 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,480 - Yeah, so on the note of anti-science, 838 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,480 I actually have been watching this new Netflix TV show. 839 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,040 It's called Apple cider vinegar. 840 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,240 It's also based on this documentary 841 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,240 or this woman named Belle Gibson, who in the 2010s, 842 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,840 she came to popularity over being an influencer 843 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,840 on Instagram who had a malignant brain tumor 844 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,400 and cured herself via juice. 845 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,400 - Jesus. 846 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,240 (laughing) 847 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,240 - And so she built this huge brand. 848 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,840 - Olivia put cured herself in quotes, by the way, 849 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,120 for anyone just listening. 850 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,960 - Yes. 851 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,280 - Heavy finger parts. 852 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,120 - She used to use herself. 853 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,360 - Yes, yes. 854 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,080 And so it's, she really blew up. 855 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520 She had an app called The Whole Pantry 856 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,400 and really was one of these like original wellness, 857 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,080 health gurus who built a brand around it 858 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760 and then created like a productized service. 859 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,200 She was very, very well known. 860 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 She was an Australian influencer. 861 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,480 And ultimately it came out that she lied 862 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,480 about having cancer, the entire time. 863 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,800 - I shocked. 864 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,360 - Right, exactly. 865 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,880 And so the documentary kind of tells the story 866 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880 of how she did it, how like she was found out 867 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,080 and all this stuff. 868 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,720 And then Apple cider vinegar is based on that 869 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,680 and that Netflix made it. 870 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,960 And it's a dramatized version of that story. 871 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,320 I'm only a few episodes in so far, 872 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,840 but it's really, really good. 873 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,400 I like the way that they do it. 874 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,040 They kind of break the fourth wall 875 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,960 and have each of the characters talk to the camera 876 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,020 and kind of be like a, you know, 877 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:49,200 sly bag style, I would say. 878 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,280 And it's really, really good. 879 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880 And so I would definitely pop that. 880 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,800 And then Netflix is just putting out 881 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,800 some crazy documentaries right now. 882 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,640 - Yeah. 883 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,280 - Did you watch the Gabby Patsito one? 884 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,280 - Yes, I do. 885 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520 - I knew you'd would, I knew you would. 886 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,640 That was good. 887 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,560 But they actually just came out with this documentary 888 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,640 called Chaos, a Manson murder story. 889 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,760 I think this one is called Manson Murners. 890 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,720 And it's based on this book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. 891 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:21,080 And the book itself alleges that Charles Manson 892 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,280 was a part of the MK Ultra Study 893 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,120 and that he was actually used by the CIA 894 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,120 to and taught these tactics. 895 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,400 And that's ultimately how he gained divine control. 896 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,360 I read the book, like four years ago. 897 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,080 The book is amazing, Chaos by Tom O'Neill. 898 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,560 And the documentary is based on that book. 899 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,040 It's super interesting. 900 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,160 It goes into how Charles Manson was connected 901 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,000 to Jolly West, or Dr. Jolly West, 902 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,600 who's really big in the MK Ultra side. 903 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,680 And very, very interesting. 904 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,960 If you don't wanna read a, you know, 905 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,360 a 24 or 12 hour book, then you can watch the documentary. 906 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,200 And it can be-- 907 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,680 - Michael Olivia reads like 45 books a month. 908 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,520 It's insane. 909 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,760 (laughing) 910 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,760 - Hey, I'm on 18 books this year so far. 911 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,760 - Sure. 912 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080 - I've been an avid reader, but-- 913 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,400 - Far more than me too. 914 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,560 - Yeah. 915 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,480 (laughing) 916 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,720 - I think, I mean, I find Manson is interesting too. 917 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,120 It's like, I know he has connections to Scientology too. 918 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,360 So-- - Yes. 919 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,720 - So yeah, it's really interesting. 920 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:30,720 - There's an author, I think, I don't know if it's in Blue Sky, 921 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,000 but there's an author who wrote Blue Sky. 922 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,760 I can't remember his name right now, 923 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,160 but he makes a big argument that he wasn't a part of MK Ultra. 924 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,280 He was actually a part of Scientology. 925 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,560 - Which I've never heard that conspiracy before. 926 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,880 I don't know if that's what you wanna call it, 927 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,320 but that's interesting. 928 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,000 - Which is so scary to think, like, 929 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,480 oh, we just have this air quote, religion 930 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,120 that is so similar to a CIA Mind Control program. 931 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,520 - Right, that's so many rich and famous people follow. 932 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,640 - Yes, exactly. 933 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,680 So I would definitely pop those. 934 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,760 It was really, really interesting to see a manipulation 935 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440 and then ultimately, you know, denying of science 936 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,240 for both of those. 937 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,200 So, oh, God. 938 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,400 You watched all this, like, deep shit. 939 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400 Mind's not gonna be-- 940 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,400 (laughing) 941 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,840 (laughing) 942 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,800 Well, now that we got the smart junkie out of the way, 943 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,440 I watched the first two episodes of Daredevil Born again 944 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,000 on Disney Plus. 945 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,840 I am a huge Marvel fan girl. 946 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,920 Like, I will consume any and all of the MCU 947 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,000 and be an apologist for most of it. 948 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,800 But for those who don't know, Daredevil Born again is, 949 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840 there was a devil series on Netflix. 950 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,320 It's gosh, 10 years ago, that was amazing. 951 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,320 And after the invention of Disney Plus, 952 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680 those Netflix shows for a minute kind of seemed 953 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,440 like they weren't gonna be canon. 954 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,800 And now they are. 955 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,800 And we've seen Matt Murdock, a K.A. Daredevil, 956 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080 make his way back into the MCU. 957 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,760 And so finally, this is his revival slash continuation 958 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,080 of his story that we left off 959 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,680 when the Daredevil show stopped on Netflix. 960 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,960 The first two episodes, I will not spoil it 961 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,600 for anybody who hasn't watched yet. 962 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,680 Start with a bang, they go, just hit the ground running. 963 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,000 It's insane. 964 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920 - Would you think about the beginning 965 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,680 that I'm not gonna spoil either? 966 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,840 That had-- 967 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,480 - I was devastated, but I called it. 968 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,520 I told my husband before we even started it. 969 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,600 I was like, I feel like blank, any blank, blank, 970 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,600 skin of blank. 971 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,480 And he's like, why do you think that? 972 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,320 I just got like a feeling. 973 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,840 (laughs) 974 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,160 What did you think about it? 975 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,680 - I knew it was gonna happen. 976 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,440 I had a feeling and then I was disappointed though 977 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,280 at the same time. 978 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,240 I was like, okay, but yeah, it's Marvel. 979 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,640 They'll do what they do. 980 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,640 - They will do what they do. 981 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,480 There is also a comic book storyline 982 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,120 where that is-- 983 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,120 - Part of the first. 984 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,960 (laughs) 985 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,800 - Part of the first. 986 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,320 - Yeah, like how do I say this without spoiling it? 987 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,760 So maybe they'll go that way. 988 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,600 - Hopefully they do. 989 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,440 I mean, who knows? 990 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200 - Yeah, I hope so. 991 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200 - I'm not supposed to happen in season two with that, 992 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,040 but so yeah. 993 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,880 (laughs) 994 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,240 - Oh God, I love that we both know exactly 995 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,880 what we're talking about, but try to so hard not to spoil it. 996 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,600 - I have anything, but yeah. 997 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,840 (laughs) 998 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,920 - Yeah, I was actually gonna, 999 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,040 I was gonna actually mention that 1000 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,360 as something I've watched recently, 1001 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,960 but also more on the line of faking cancer. 1002 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960 I watched Scamanda. 1003 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,400 - What's that? 1004 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,280 - Documentary on Hulu. 1005 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,960 I think it was on ABC or something, 1006 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,000 but I had listened to the podcast years ago when it came out. 1007 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,000 It's about this woman who was like a internet blogger. 1008 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,560 I think it was before like Vity. 1009 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,640 - There were influence services. 1010 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,840 - Yeah, influence her. 1011 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,680 And she faked having cancer for years 1012 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,200 and got all this money out of people. 1013 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440 They would pay for trips to her to go to Broadway 1014 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080 and see Hamilton and whatnot. 1015 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,920 - Oh my God. 1016 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,760 - For that. 1017 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,760 Yeah, and she just faked this whole thing for years and years 1018 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680 and got a lot of money out of people at her church 1019 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,880 and different things. 1020 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,520 It was interesting that that was interesting. 1021 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,160 And then I also watched another documentary. 1022 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,160 It was about this, oh my God, about this woman who's in jail now. 1023 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,640 I can't remember the name of the documentary, 1024 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,520 but it was about this woman who was another, 1025 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,800 she was a mom influencer online with a family blogging. 1026 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,480 - Oh, Ruby Frankie. 1027 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,560 - Ruby Frankie, that's it. 1028 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,720 I was blanking the name. 1029 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,880 Yeah, I watched the documentary about her and oh my God. 1030 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640 - Does she fake cancer too? 1031 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,760 - No, she abuses her children. 1032 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,360 - Oh God. 1033 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,560 - So horrible. 1034 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,720 - Yeah, we watch all of these. 1035 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,480 These all sound fascinating and terrible 1036 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,160 and I wanna watch them all. 1037 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,480 (laughing) 1038 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,320 - God, that's horrible. 1039 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,480 I have to watch it again. 1040 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,560 - I watched that. 1041 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,240 Well, I think of this documentary from back in the day 1042 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,200 that I, back in the day, was probably like 10 years ago. 1043 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,240 Called The Woman Who Wasn't There. 1044 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,280 - Oh yeah, yeah. 1045 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,800 - Yes, oh my God, I love you. 1046 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,920 If you haven't watched this one, 1047 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,560 she has this whole fake ass story 1048 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,000 that she was in one of the towers of September 11 1049 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,280 with a plane hit. 1050 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,400 And she gets tons of money, tons of sympathy 1051 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,200 and runs a charity for survivors of September 11th. 1052 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,000 And as the title suggests, she was not there. 1053 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,760 - Yes, yeah, I have seen that. 1054 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,600 Crazy. 1055 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,760 For people are, you know. 1056 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,800 - I love stories about scammers and people that fake things, 1057 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,720 even though I think it's horrible that they do this, 1058 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,440 but it's really intriguing. 1059 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,440 Yeah. 1060 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120 - I think it's like, how do you get to that point? 1061 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Like I am someone who is obsessed with colds. 1062 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000 And I just find it so interesting, like manipulation. 1063 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,080 And it's also like, how do you get manipulated like that? 1064 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,160 And then also what type of person can manipulate 1065 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,000 in that way? 1066 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,600 I think it's just so interesting. 1067 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,120 And I think scammers really follow into that, 1068 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,080 but on like a one-to-one basis as well. 1069 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,240 - Everything that you just said brought us right back to V. 1070 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,080 - Yeah. 1071 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,920 (laughing) 1072 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,920 - Right back to V. 1073 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,160 Who scams? 1074 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,080 Who has the power to manipulate people like that over time? 1075 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,680 - And that is the visitors. 1076 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,520 - Yeah. 1077 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,280 - I also recently listened to a podcast. 1078 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,440 It's called The Opportunist, 1079 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,680 which they have different seasons, 1080 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,400 but in this one was about Tim Ballard, 1081 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,400 the Operation Underground Railroad guy who, yeah. 1082 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,840 - Yeah, it's a-- 1083 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,840 (laughing) 1084 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,360 - The guy trying to fight petafiles who, 1085 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,200 and you know. 1086 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,200 - The movie sound different. 1087 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,800 - It's actually harassing people. 1088 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,640 - Yeah. 1089 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,480 - Oh my gosh. 1090 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,240 I am not familiar with this. 1091 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,240 - Interesting. 1092 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,960 - If you wanna go down the craziest rabbit hole. 1093 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,800 So Mormon Stories podcast does a whole series 1094 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,280 about Tim Ballard and who he's connected to 1095 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,920 within the Mormon church. 1096 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,920 And then he's like two or three degrees separated 1097 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,440 from Laurie Valow and Chad Daybell, 1098 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,840 as well as Jody Hildebrand, 1099 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,280 who's the therapist for Ruby Frankie. 1100 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,280 - Like you get, you see the spider graph of Mormon, 1101 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,560 Mormon like influencers, 1102 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,320 and ultimately like Doomsday individuals. 1103 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,200 And yeah, it's crazy. 1104 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,680 Mormon Stories has some really good ones. 1105 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,360 I'll have to check out The Opportunist, 1106 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,040 but yeah, he's a crazy person. 1107 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,400 - Yeah, my ex-Fiancé was raised Mormon 1108 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,360 and she used to tell me all these crazy stories 1109 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,060 about just growing up Mormon and, yeah, 1110 00:42:59,060 --> 00:42:59,900 - Yeah. 1111 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:00,740 - It's wild. 1112 00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:03,540 - It's sadly like abused by some people in church 1113 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:04,860 and different things like that, yeah. 1114 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,860 So yeah, just. 1115 00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:07,980 - My dad's, for my mom's side of the family, 1116 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:09,220 was raised Mormon. 1117 00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,100 - So it's my dad's family. 1118 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:12,100 - Yeah, yeah. 1119 00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:13,540 - Like at all us. 1120 00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:14,380 - Yeah. 1121 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:15,380 - Could have been Mormons. 1122 00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:16,220 - Oh, yeah. 1123 00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:17,060 (laughing) 1124 00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:20,420 - So if you wanna watch some really messed up documentaries, 1125 00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:21,580 this is the episode video. 1126 00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:24,060 - This is the Andeer Devil, Andeer Devil. 1127 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:24,900 - Andeer Devil. 1128 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:25,740 - Andeer Devil. 1129 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:27,740 - I would say Palette Cleanser, 1130 00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:29,300 but I don't think those first two episodes 1131 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:30,860 are Palette Cleanser for anything. 1132 00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:34,220 Here's a great Palette Cleanser to close out the episode though. 1133 00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:37,100 Lady Gaga just dropped LG7. 1134 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,620 It is a new album called Mayhem. 1135 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:42,700 ♪ And it is a banger ♪ 1136 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:43,980 It's full of bangers. 1137 00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:48,420 It's like Synth Pop 80s dance. 1138 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:51,100 I mean, I can't wait to go to the gay clubs and just dance. 1139 00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,980 - She was great on FNL recently 1140 00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:56,420 when she hosted musical guest, so. 1141 00:43:56,420 --> 00:43:57,260 - Oh, yeah. 1142 00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,540 - I still haven't gotten to watch it. 1143 00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:02,020 I've just been so busy the last couple days. 1144 00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:03,700 I need me and my husband to just sit down 1145 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,020 and just watch it. 1146 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:06,860 - Are you even a little monster? 1147 00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:08,420 - I know. 1148 00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:10,100 And I've been trying to avoid spoilers 1149 00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,380 so that anytime I see it come up on Instagram, 1150 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,620 I scroll fast because I'm like, 1151 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:15,300 "We have to watch it together." 1152 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,260 (laughing) 1153 00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:18,740 So you like Lady Gaga? 1154 00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:19,540 I'm like, 1155 00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,380 - A little bit. 1156 00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:21,220 - Yeah. 1157 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:22,900 - I've had, 1158 00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:26,740 you know, I'm not like a Lady Gaga fanatical monster. 1159 00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:28,060 - Yeah, a little monster. 1160 00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,780 No, I've just, you know, I like her, 1161 00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:33,580 but I don't like love her. 1162 00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:34,540 - I feel that. 1163 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:36,300 So I am a huge fan. 1164 00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,500 Olivia feels that way about Taylor Swift. 1165 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,500 And she's kind of, 1166 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:42,620 she's converted me. 1167 00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:45,980 - You might see her in the background, honestly. 1168 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:46,980 - Yeah. 1169 00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:48,900 - I'm a stand of Taylor Swift. 1170 00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,380 Shauna's a stand of Lady Gaga. 1171 00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:53,940 And we've slowly made each other kind of meet in the middle. 1172 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:54,780 - This is true. 1173 00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:56,100 - This is her friendship. 1174 00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,260 And we both very much stand Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 1175 00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:01,260 So, how can you not? 1176 00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:02,540 - Original Girl Crush. 1177 00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:05,100 - And that's speaking of my, my, my ex-fiancé. 1178 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:07,420 I'm so mad that she stole my angel 1179 00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:10,220 and Buffy the Vampire Slayer DVDs when we broke up. 1180 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:11,220 - No. 1181 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:12,900 - That's the worst, man. 1182 00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:13,740 - No. 1183 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:14,920 - Yeah. 1184 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,180 - Go get those back. 1185 00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:18,060 When me and my roommate in college, 1186 00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:19,340 hi, Jessica, love you. 1187 00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:21,020 We, we bought them together. 1188 00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:24,540 And then when we eventually, you know, met men and moved out. 1189 00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:25,380 - Yeah. 1190 00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:28,140 - I took like, she took seasons one through three. 1191 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:29,780 And I took like four, five, six. 1192 00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:31,180 It makes no sense. 1193 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:34,820 We just split down the middle like parent trap style. 1194 00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:35,820 (laughing) 1195 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:36,660 - Yeah. 1196 00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:39,020 (laughing) 1197 00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:43,860 - Well, I think it is about time for us to wrap up. 1198 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,500 So, thank you again so much, Michael. 1199 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,900 It was so nice to chat with you. 1200 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:49,740 - No problem. 1201 00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:50,780 Thank you for having me. 1202 00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:51,620 - Yeah. 1203 00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:53,020 We need to do this again sometime. 1204 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:56,100 So, before we let you go, let everybody know 1205 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,580 where they can find your work on social media, 1206 00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:00,900 how to connect with you, all that good stuff. 1207 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,180 And where they can find the podcast. 1208 00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:06,540 - 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