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Hello and welcome to Music Rewine, a podcast where we look to tell the stories behind our favorite albums.
I'm your host Steve Eppley, and in each episode we invite a guest on to tell us about their favorite music album.
How they discovered it and what makes it special to them.
Joining me today is an old friend of the show Tom Jepsen, Tom is an educator, coach, and principal in Northern Illinois, and a lifelong lover of great music.
Welcome Tom and thank you for being on the show.
Yeah, thanks for having me and thanks for having the patience to finally make this happen was something we were supposed to do a while ago, our schedules and then allow for it, but you never gave up on me here, am?
Yeah, this is a holdover from season two, I believe, I tried to get you on the other side.
Yeah, yeah, so finally making this happen.
So let's jump right into it.
What album did you bring to the table and why is it special to you?
So I'm bringing the counting crows, second studio album, recovering the satellites.
Delafated from a wasting other year, all anger out the earth once all bleeding into fear.
And the backstory here of why this album is a lot of backstory about the music rewind podcast.
I didn't even know it was a thing.
Okay, Danny broke up and Michael Barowski brought the podcast to my attention, introduced me to it.
Let me know if they had been guests and said it's Steve's podcast, you got to check this thing out.
We've been guests and you should be a guest and I said, what do I do?
And what do you talk about?
And they said, you basically talk about your favorite album or what you think is the best album ever or something like that.
And I said, that's a really good question.
I've never tried to single one out.
And so I started going through all of my favorite albums and I'm also an album nerd.
I enjoy and have more respect for a solid album than I do a mixture of cherry pick songs over a course of a couple of albums or like a band or musicians career.
I certainly have an affinity for a work of art that is an album.
There's something about it that's a little bit more special to me now.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm a big Beatles fan and Hey Jude doesn't appear in any of the LPs.
I don't like Hey Jude any less because it wasn't on one of the LPs.
But when there's a musician or artist that has produced the work of art that is an album, it holds a little bit more of a special place with me.
So I started going through Beatles albums.
I started going through Leds Eplin, U2 Joshua Tree, Tom Petty Wildflowers.
I'm a big Pro Jam fan.
I thought about 10 versus Vecology.
Smashing pumpkins, thought about Melancholy in the Infinite Sadness.
I see that you have the airplane flies high, turns left behind you.
Loved that box set.
I thought about Melancholy and I thought about Arcade Fire the Suburbs.
And I thought about Deathcap for QD Transit Lannisism, which I saw that tour, the 20th reunion tour, and it was incredible.
I thought about Wilco and Yigiyotel Foxtrot and even Ghost is born is one of my favorite albums.
Well, maybe I might like that one better than Yigiyotel Foxtrot.
So all of these, I could keep going with all these albums.
My top five turned into top 10 to 15 to 20 to 25.
And the one thing that I kept coming back to is one time or another, those albums that I just listed were my favorite album at one time.
This is my favorite album of my life right now at this time.
I'm loving this more than anything.
But one thing was also true.
It abdented flowed.
At one time I got worn out on it and step away from it.
And just was my preference for music, genre, or as that, you know, like abdent flowed like in my life or kind of changed and wavered.
Those albums fell out of favor with me and then back into favor and then out of favor again.
And the sadolites has been one, the one album that I think I've consistently held at the highest esteem overall in my lifetime.
I've never found myself being worn out on it.
And as we talk about the tracks and as I've thought about what we might talk about in prepping for this show, it's, I think all of the different things that we hear musically and lyrically in this album, all of the things that I seem to love about music are here.
That's fascinating because I mean you rattled off some obvious classics some the ones that will, well, you know, people will gravitate to just on the posing of the question what's an album that is the top of your list.
And whether it's the Beatles or Zeppelin or pumpkins or any of those.
And even if someone did say counting grows, most people might say August and everything after not necessarily a company satellite.
And then I'm really fascinated to hear your reasons behind it and all that goes into this.
And also counting grows is not my favorite band.
I really like them.
But if I had to start making a list of like favorite bands, the problem they might not be in my top 10.
There was this really small window where they were, where they made music that I really took to.
And it came and went, but this album, like I mentioned so many other good albums that are classics that are many people's favorite album will all time.
And I'm sure they'd argue with you long into the night about why it's the best album ever made.
And I think all of those albums have a legitimate argument for the being like some of the best albums ever made.
I don't know that many people would argue recovering the satellites is one of the best albums ever made.
But that's what's awesome about your show is it's why it's awesome for me.
And why is this standout album for me and why it maybe took me like two years to finally do this show and maybe have enough of the reasoning behind you.
To help you be a little bit more confident in this decision, I'll say that I've had a huge kind of unexpected outpouring of, oh my god, I love that album when I just posted briefly on social media that hey,
I'm doing some research for it upcoming recording.
And I was surprised because I'll do that off.
And if I got in a recording coming up, I'll just say I'm doing this one, but I was not expecting so many people to message me and you know, say I learned goodnight.
Elizabeth for first song ever on guitar.
We listened to this daily at our house.
All kinds of little comments that were pretty fascinating.
It's a lot more popular than I thought it was.
And talking to Danny and Michael and I mentioned with you earlier, another friend of mine, Joe leading up to this, they're not huge counting crow's fans, but they like were like, oh no respect.
That's a good album. I remember that album.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I didn't realize that you thought of it that way.
And I was like, yeah, I just always have.
It's just been one that has always been not very far off of the rotation.
When I grew up with the six disc changers, remember like the five discs, six disc changers.
And you put, okay, I got five in here now and you put it on shuffle or whatever.
And then you'd swap out one or two when you'd leave in two or three and then you'd swap out another one or two.
This was one of those I felt was in my five or six disc CD changer for two years.
I just never grew tired of it in that time period.
And the other albums I would have been changing out and putting around it would have been like radio head, the bends and okay computer, food fighters color in the shape.
I probably would have had Allison chains jar of flies.
Those are the other are you are. I remember R.M. had a really good new adventures in high five.
I remember was like did a long tour in my five disc or six disc changer, whatever it was down in my bedroom there.
But I think crozer covering the satellites like when's the crown for the longest consecutive like staying in my five disc changer.
I would have put in putting in like Pearl Jam like a yield in there and maybe some Ben Harper like with those big giant guitar.
So rage against the machine.
And they're right next to it. I probably would have rage but nope.
Conning crozer's staying. I don't know why it just I think we're going to talk about why and I think I've realized that now like looking back why was it able to hang with all those different varieties of music for that like 18 the 24 month span.
Tell me how did you discover this up?
I love the August and everything after that was such a popular and chart topping album and it was lots of radio play what I do when I listen to your podcast like I listen to the nirvana never mind episode that you and Danny broke up didn't you guys talked a lot about mtv.
You talked a lot about our limitations with our radio stations grew up and how we counted on mtv and alternative nation in 120 minutes in our little local radio stations that we might get some top 48 play on.
And I think with August and everything after there was lots mtv play and there was lots of top 40 radio play with some of those singles.
And then I remember my mom liked those songs that were on the radio and she bought the album and I remember playing that like in my mom and dad stereo or them playing it.
And then like a Saturday and we're doing some spring cleaning.
And August and everything after is on but the whole album is playing because we're doing chores and doing this or whatever and then realizing there was much more to that album then Mr. Jones and rain king and those singles that we were familiar with from the top.
40 radio on mtv and being like I really like this band there more than just a couple of radio songs this is I like this I like everything that they're doing here or a lot of what they're doing.
And then I remember watching mtv and seeing the video for angels of the silences and it's a really rock and song and then being surprised.
And then I was like this is this is that band that they August and everything after that's more of a mellow overall vibe like deep lyrics and serious and then here's this rock and song.
Out of the gates huge guitars and drums and I'm like this is wow this trying to come out of the new album sounds like it might be a rock and elbow I'm looking for this and I think I remember getting it.
If not on the day it was released at the old crew mall at the disc jockey or music land wherever I would have gone I got it pretty close to the day it came out and I ended up immediate first listen fallen love.
So that's how I became a kind of cross fan it was that top 40 yeah I like those songs mom was like oh yeah I like that song this is that album right yeah I'm going to buy the CD and then putting it on and letting it run through and noticing there was more to it than just.
The singles and liking those other songs all be honest this was the first time I listened all the way through this one August and everything after many times that's everyone has that album but this one I had never actually sat and listen to it.
I knew long December that was unavoidable for that was just as widespread as Mr. Jones was and then daylight fading to a certain extent as well great songs but those were really all I knew from the album.
And I mentioned in a previous episode where we were I was talking deft tones with the band black nook or feedie how that sound brought me back to the to 2000's.
And it was just the sound of the deft tones and really like a almost a comfort thing and then listening to this sound immediately takes you back to the 90's it is such a perfect representative of the mellow rock alternative sound of that time and it just fit perfect.
And it did take a few listens for me to get it it wasn't a first time through the luxury for me some songs I really like right off the bat some which will get in the tracks but some definitely took a few listens for me to appreciate the atmosphere they were going for and also the production behind it the more I listen to it the more I appreciate all the little things in the background of this almost like a radio head style albums.
And there's a lot of layers yes it's not boring like even like listening to it like in the last couple of weeks a few extra times I even noticed a few things or at least it stuck out to me a little bit more than the last time I had listened to it so yeah there's a lot going on which I don't know if I could
should say that I like when a lot going on because I'm also the same guy that just love somebody with an acoustic guitar and just their voice and maybe harmonica.
I have been on a no-a-con and Zach Brian kick listening I probably listen to those two albums the most in the last four months and they're stripped down like that's a grind album is about a strip down is on some of those songs one of them is literally like him outside and you can hear like.
The frogs in the pond like he recorded outside and it's literally just him in his guitar and it's awesome I love that but then here I'm talking about how much I love all these layers and the complexity of it but this albums got a little bit of all that depending on the track.
Yeah it does you have that you got other ones with full strings there are songs of orchestra and string you got the ham and organ going on in there there's a lot that's it's not that it's noisy it's done well it's layered well.
And done with grace I think I'd say with a little bit of delicacy and I think that was the atmosphere they were going for so walk me through how you listen to the album.
I read they recorded this in like a mansion in LA like in the hills they just rented they rented like a there was a big house that was frequently rented for recording must have had certain things about the rooms acoustically that musicians must have appreciated some so they ended up.
Renting this house and staying there the entire time that they were recording and getting some of that that good sound that they were going for and I'm sure just being there like 24/7 led to some of this layered and multiple sounds and complimentary sounds and everything else.
They maybe didn't record everything live everybody in the same room at the same time but they were all completely immersed in it they were there for quite a while hunkered down and it ends up being a really cool thing as a result.
And counting crows has quite a few members of the band you see them live in concert.
They're usually seeing three four or five guys in a band there's eight like there's a lot of musicians contributing a lot of different sounds so I think for a long time that that these guys like no where to put their sound like where to insert their instrument and how to insert it so that it works well with everything else that's going on.
And I think this album is full of example walk me through how you listen to the album.
I'm a straight through guy I start out with catapult.
I love that initial like how everything just begins with that guitar that I know and is so familiar and then and I'm going to have a little bit more of that.
I love that initial like how everything just begins with that guitar that I know and is so familiar and then and one thing about the album that I have always liked right away that I think was a turn off maybe the some people was the intensity or the passion or emotion that Adam Durd sings with.
And a lot of these songs he doesn't leave anything like behind he like bringing everything he's got like emotionally he wants you to feel some of those lyrics and I remember reading some reviews back in the old actual paper magazine days like Rolling Stone I want to say I remember Rolling Stone giving it like a four out of five and that's a pretty good rating stone review.
And I remember the writer being complimentary of Adam Durd's but also saying it was hey man we he said something along lines.
We get it job well done he just hinting at he was coming at you so hard with that emotion behind the lyrics and trying to paint that lyrical picture for the audience that I was like oh yeah I guess he does do that.
I like that like because you know me and because you knew me way back then like that is the kind of guy that I am like I'll talk in a garage over two beers for five hours with you until three a.m. about things that might be happy or what did you think when you heard that song this is what the way it made me feel like I just that type of person so for me like him being a little over the top maybe in somebody else's opinion was no.
That's perfect for me love it I love that he brings like that energy and not always energy maybe in the value but just in like his delivery he did not leave you guessing this is a super important line or I really feel strongly about this or this move to me or I'm trying to make some emotional meter moving you as you hear this.
I think that's what starts off I think that's what starts off like a little bit slower with the drums like building and I feel like you hear him like building throughout the song and then bringing it back down a little bit and then bring it back up emotionally and then back down a little bit I feel like there is like that way throughout the album.
I agree and it's not just his voice it is the poetry that he writes there's some really eloquent poetry that comes out of this guy and it can be a bit intense and if you're not into that sort of I don't know I don't know say I don't know the right words but they just can be deep and a bit repetitive if you don't know what he's trying to say or if you're interpreting it wrong it's fascinating album when I was doing the reading on it to find out what.
A lot of these lyrics meant and it was the I don't say typical but the typical grasp with fame right after August they had massive fame instantly and that's that produced a lot of these songs and not just the fame in the lack of privacy and all that stuff that comes with start them but also the failed the failed relationships that you know trying to be with new friends and it's not the same as.
And it's not the same as old friends and he misses the old friends and I was trying to figure out what the hell recovering a satellite's meant as an album title more even got to the song and it made sense as I read more as far as getting your bearings which were not that track yet but re centering yourself and a lot of these tracks have that almost recurring theme.
Yeah I think that's why for me I put a lot of like rank in it because you hear that you feel that theme and again I'm such an album nerd like I just put more stock into the album as an artwork and I feel like this from the beginning to the end is done with a purpose as an album.
It's not just hey these are 12 best songs let's get these on there and making an album because we got 12 these are we have 20 something songs in our catalog right now but let's pick our 12 best and put on a album I feel like this is all purposeful that these are where they are that these were included maybe other ones were included.
And it just works for me so much because I like I said I just love a good album I feel that like what you mentioned there I feel that like throughout.
Yeah so then I say catapult one and then track to that you mentioned earlier angels of the silences that one actually caught me off guard I wasn't expecting that they started out with a good rocket to and then they kicked it in the gear it wasn't the countercursor was expecting it was nice.
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So this was the first single the first song that I had heard off it this was released before the entire album came out so this was the one I knew and I remember getting it and we're going to play the first song first and we'll get there but I remember like catapult leading up into it yeah it didn't build maybe in it up to it with like how heavy it is because catapult comes and goes and it ends strong but it doesn't end with with a fast rhythm whereas angels of the silences is like that high.
The high rhythm that beat is persistent throughout that song and it's a high energy song and just blazing guitars is I think the only way to describe it they just they come out of the gates just blazing and they almost don't stop and you've got several different guitar players doing several different things and it's interesting and then Adam duritz is emotionally and high energy really bringing it with.
Awesome lyrics and I that's a great rock song and I love many different kinds of music but I would say that if I had to pick one like rock is my favorite type of music and to me this is the most rock and song on this album and it's it's a very easy listen for me and one I always really enjoy and I've never tired of this song after all this time I don't even want to do the math.
Almost 30 years coming up on 30 years. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And then the next track daylight fading now that I think about this with like hindsight being 2020 I always like this song I love that like that guitar riff that you hear throughout the song and it opens with and it keeps coming back to and that kind of punch me riff there.
Yes.
And that's what I'm getting at this was such a like a preview into the music that I would end up falling in love with in the early 2000s which was like the old country like will go Sunville Uncle two below old 97s Ryan Adams.
Yeah. Yeah. Jason is Bell eventually announced that Brian and absolutely that was my favorite music from like the early 2000s into the mid teens and still even with Jason is Bell I got love Jason is Bell he probably the most listen to artist for me the last 10 years and I didn't realize like how much I love that blend of rock and country which was known as all country.
For a while and daylight fading to me is almost that's got to be like the first all country song ever heard my life before all country was even a thing like it's I love this song.
The very first time I heard it and I think there's probably been times when someone has asked me like what's your favorite song on that kind of close album might might be like daylight fading I might not say that every single time but I've at least said it a couple because it was such a cool song.
To me it was like nothing I'd ever heard before and I'm at the height of smashing pumpkins and Pearl GM and raging against the machine and radio head.
A Wasis like I'm not enjoying country music or even rock slash country music at this time in my life this is nineteen nineteen and then into nineteen ninety seven like I'm not listening anything like it at this time this but this song is always been a song that I've really enjoyed and it's that that's country vibe I love it I love that guitar sound.
It's so different than anything that I was listening to at that time and I think that speaks to like how much I truly enjoyed this album and how different it was from all the other stuff that I was drawn to at that time I was Doc Martens and flannels and banty shirts and years but here I am like really enjoying this like country sounding this rock slash country song in daylight fading and I think Adams does a great job vocally to I think it's about the main.
Maybe the best his voice sounds on this album some of the other songs have big music or his voices it's maybe a song that's more about the lyrics but this I feel like the balance between his voice and the music on this song might be the best balance on the album.
Okay, yeah, it's a great track is still one of my three takeaway tracks that I pull away from each album I do and it's definitely a favorite of mine off the album.
Yeah, so something one and I've always like really enjoyed like from the get go and I've never tired of that and like I said it was it's now a hindsight being twenty twenty no wonder I love this song because I love the all country sound so much.
The next one I'm not sleeping things take a different turn in that this is where you start getting into the almost experimental you can tell they're using the space of that house you mentioned and acoustics and strings and just it back to the layers.
She comes to me she shuts my eyes bring me home but I'm not sleeping anymore.
Yeah, this song is maybe the most layered song in the entire album with that orchestra sound but I almost feel like after the first three songs this is like your take a breath for a second here and it builds and this song gets heavy eventually and it's a longer song as far as the minutes and seconds go but again I mentioned Adam dirt was maybe not pedal to the metal with the value literally of his voice.
But he kept the pedal down like on the emotion and the song even when he's not singing his loudest in the song he's still.
Drown with that emotion and really heavy lyrics and if you think you just think of him as like the poet or the artist behind what he's singing you can tell there's a lot there and so way this on builds also just is awesome so I read about this one curious where it's origins came from in the producer of the house Gil Norton who is the one putting all these layers together he told the band that you get inspiration any time.
You come just wake me up that's why we're here in the millenite like two three a.m. There's woke him up is that I got an idea and the so they did the vocals in the millenite pretty much on an on an inspiration win in three takes and so that's it's in that I think that comes across in the way he sings it here as very authentic it's not it's not over produced as in let's do it again let's do it again let's do it again it's very authentic in the.
Emotion that comes across right at the beginning yeah I heard that about the recording of this to like how it was he couldn't sleep like an unsoundy type thing and.
Was feeling ready for this track and they went with it and i just the way this song like it just builds and builds and build and you're almost like waiting for like the next level then like you're anticipating the next level then you're anticipating the next level.
And then like the way that it ends just so abruptly it's almost like I envision him just like collapsing into a chair or like to the floor because he just gave everything he had there at the end it's like he barely catches his breath yeah and as this song goes out but I love like how this song like opens with that awesome guitar that it's like to note for note like plucking and then you have the strings or.
And then you have the drums are building and then you have those the drums hit and then your guitar like retards into like that that that downward pattern into Adam starting to sing and everything's low so you can hear those lyrics because it sets everything up and then from there it just builds and builds and builds and builds and.
I don't know i've always liked this song I think after hearing the first three songs a lot of people might the that's a skip song for me but that like the beginning of the song almost sets up everything else and then I feel again because albums are special it's a very it's an important piece in my listen.
If that makes any sense it does these are very meticulously placed tracks for a reason when you've got an album that's produced in this manner it like you said it's not just here's our 14 best tracks.
Blah throw them in any random order the order specific the order and the way it's the way the tracks.
Transition from one to the other summer instance some there's a bit of a fade if that's all intentional and that's all part of the art of the album.
Yeah I certainly in all my album listening and maybe not in 1996 but maybe because I started recognizing this stuff as early as the early to mid 90s.
I now listen for those kinds of things and I appreciate those kinds of things and those things make me enjoy the music and the album has a work of our a whole lot more because of it.
So I don't know if that began with this I do remember like being amazed by like dark side of the moon and how everything like float together and all those medley's and I remember being infatuated with the abbey road medley in how they just went from one thing to the
other to the not like what that's wait but those are different songs but they all go together. Oh that's so awesome that's just that's what makes them so great of course this is one of the greatest albums ever made when you're doing all these incredible things so I don't know where that started for me but I know that certainly exists today and I'm guessing as many times I've listened to this album that this is a that's a big reason why I think the ability to put together an album of that level is a
all be a music snob for for a short time or it's a higher level of the art form back back when I was talking Alabama shakes sound and color with my friend Jamal we talked about that quite a bit how the production of the album if you're there are some producers
out there that will take offense if you're listening to the tracks out of order that it's very much intentional and they put a lot of thought and a lot of changes and shifts and transitions into that for you the listener and it's a bit of a snobby take on it at times but to me it adds to the
great experience and me the same as you I started to appreciate it based off those classic rock albums the pink Floyd Beatles and Zeppelin you hear those there's certain songs that I can't hear without automatically hearing that next transition track
and I'm really competitive in my memory and that's intentional. Yeah this album definitely does that for me. Yeah I'm like almost hearing the next song before the end of the one I'm currently listening to. Yeah I know like from listening to some previous
podcast and with talking and talking with Michael and Danny like prepping for the show like you talk about highlights of your albums and sometimes people will say
sometimes this is a skip track for me and I remember thinking like about some people would consider I'm not sleeping a skip track after that first minute it's just a very different field in the first three songs that maybe you like you like that sound that sound is very different and then here comes this song with these strings and orchestra is and it's just a very different tempo in you might not wait around long enough to hear it build and then turn into this powerful setup for the next song and maybe the rest of the album.
So I definitely won that took like I said earlier that a couple listens for me to appreciate because it is jarring it takes it's right after three kind of bangers and then it's a complete left turn.
But then leading into track five good night Elizabeth this is one of my favorite songs on the album.
Good night, Elizabeth, good night, and heaven, good night.
It is just a beautiful song. So this album might be my wife's favorite album as well and maybe this is why it's always been one that's just hung around for me because we've been together for over 20 years.
We've always appreciated counting crows in this album and especially the live on a wire which was their live album from the recovery and the satellites to our 97.
And so in that live on a wire during rain king they do a little medley with some and sneak in a little bit of good night Elizabeth.
And my wife always has just loved that in the rain king version from that live album and from that to where they worked in a little bit of a good night Elizabeth lyrics.
And she has now I feel like she appreciate the song more because of rain king because she liked rain king so much and he works in some of these lyrics from good night Elizabeth.
So every time I think of this song now, I always think, oh yeah, my wife, she loves this song because he wrote love to hear that.
Which she loves so much and he works it in there in this extended more little more rock and version of rain king from that live on a wire take.
I was a little search that out I'm curious to hear that I'll be honest.
Wait, I was deciding on this. I was going to pitch to you that I do live on a wire.
But I made a rule for myself that you know what I don't want to do a live album. I think I want to do a studio album for at least my first one was you.
And so live on a wire is essentially two thirds of recovering the satellites and half of August and everything after.
Well, okay, from New York at the end of this tour for recovering the satellites tour in 1997 and I actually went to the show and the arrogant ballroom Chicago on this tour and it was phenomenal.
It was a really good show was the first time I'd seen them live and it was just awesome.
I've have several friends that have and they speak very highly of the show. It's always been even in recent years.
So yeah, I've seen them I think five times, but man, and then 97 show was awesome. And then tonic opened for them and they were really strong.
They were touring on I can't think of the name of the album. It was a really good album as well.
That their big hit song was if you could only see.
Yeah, I remember tonic that is the only thing I know from them though.
I can't remember the name of the album right now, but I remember that was an album.
I listened to quite a bit back then. So it was almost like I got like a two for one there because I probably would have gone to see tonic as a headliner back in 1997.
So I got to see them open.
There gone in Chicago and it was just an awesome show just a really good show.
But back to the good night Elizabeth here.
I've always again thought of this is like the catching of your breath after those first three songs.
And then the title is a bit still is the tempos a little slower. It's not as heavy of a hitter, but emotionally with the lyrics.
It's just as heavy as any other song if not the most heavy on the entire album.
And musically I've always really enjoyed this one as well.
The next song is maybe the one that I have said is my favorite song in this album the most really.
Yes, and I feel like good night Elizabeth is almost okay. Let's get ready because we're going to save our energy right now because we these next two songs are going to absolutely rock.
And when that organ.
What kind of organ is that again?
It's the Hammond.
The Hammond when that Hammond organ starts.
Like I get the goosebumps.
I could hear that for I could hear that for six tenths of a second and go that's children of low.
I know that chord and I know that sound.
I love the way this song starts and how that organ just hangs in the background and then that guitar chord pick through.
It's just the G. I've learned how to play it.
It's just a G. It's a simple shape of a guitar of a chord.
The way that he picks at it and the way that they have everything set on that amp to echo and the tone.
It's to me it's just so it's like a master piece.
It's like a great glass of wine or like a really good like cheese that is just aged to just the right little bit of every.
I just love it the way this beginning of this song hits.
And then Adam sings it big and it ends up being a great rock song with an awesome solo.
This song to me I almost feel like yeah I really like the August everything after of course everybody likes that album.
It's very popular and then then you hear angels of the silences and daylight fading and you're like oh yeah those are really good songs too.
But then I'm like wait a minute this isn't even a single this is what you would call like a deep cut and I love it maybe even more than the other ones.
I am a huge fan of this band.
This is great music.
This song just smack the ab in the middle of this album like this and maybe my favorite part of the entire album.
The intro is amazing but there's something about halfway through the song where there's like a middle eight and there's this little with the guitar and then the drums come in and he says in the line is where's the fun house this year right here.
The fear grows deserted that when he hits that little with the guitar I don't know what it is all that ever I'm like every time like yeah I love that ready go.
That's just that's to me it is that's just rocking roll like I got this electric guitar into this stack of cabinet speakers and it's full of power and I'm just going to touch it and this big sound is going to come out from it and then it goes dead silent and then bam it explodes and everything comes out the drums the bass Adam singing and the baseline in the song.
This is the song that's got that awesome baseline there's even a little bit of a base solo where they pull all the guitars out and the it's not completely by itself you still have a little bit of the organ and stuff in the background but the bass just like rolls through the song like almost like a bass riff it's awesome the bass in the song is awesome and maybe that's what I like so much about it there's those layers again the bass is being more complex than just playing those filling sounds for the other guitars it takes a lead a little bit.
And this song and I don't know that I don't know if I just love the complexity it's I've never tired of it but this is one of those songs I never remember being like I don't know I've this songs I've heard it enough I just never I've always loved this song.
Well you make me want to go back and listen highlighted things that I didn't hear and now I'm curious to go back and revisit.
I love the live version of this song too it is it's really good this song here is a highlight for me for this album for sure always has been.
And the next one would be have you seen me lately and this is a super high tempo like from the beginning.
On that live from a wire album it's a double dish actually one disc is a show from Hammerstein ballroom full band electric rock show but the other is the the songs from their VH1 storytellers that they did.
And is the storytellers did and it's almost like an unplugged because it's different and unfortunately in the CD in the album they take out all of the talking between the songs it's just the songs.
That's a shame that's the whole point of storytellers I yes so I am on a mission to I made a note to myself to try to go and find like the actual episodes so I can watch it and I can hear all of the in between the music is great so they do a very different version like an alternate take.
And their storytellers on probably half of the songs are like an alternate take Mr. Jones is very different rankings very different and have you seen me lately is also like an alternate take very different and have you watched the bear no.
Okay so the bear show I'm talking about it's about beef stand in Chicago they use both versions of have you seen me lately in one of their episodes.
And just use yeah they use both the album version here to be show more rock and then they add a more serious part in the show they use the storytellers version which is like an acoustic more valid version or take on a different tone.
Yeah yeah I've always loved every see me lately and then again on that live on a wire on the live in from New York version of this song they crank it up even a little bit more than it is on the album and just again this is another song I mentioned angels and the sciences is like guitars on fire from the beginning is have you seen me lately is like the same way like just guitar fire throughout.
You're like slide guitar you have all these different layers and this one with the guitars is great.
Yeah I enjoyed this one this was good this was a good track I like that I'm curious what you're going to say for the next one though.
So here's you need a break now all right so we're doing high intensity interval training here or high intensity interval listening.
Millers angels and black and white welcome everyone.
Children dreaming wrong and right.
Millers angels is piano based just Adam in a piano there for a little while and there's lots of still really cool sounds it's not just Adam in the piano the entire song the guitars come in and they compliment things really well you know some really cool guitar riffs that come and go and this one to me is more like a musical poem.
It's a very serious song and it's not down temple the entire time it picks up a little bit but to me this is a song that could have been on August and everything after which was an album I really enjoyed I feel like it has some of that vibe from the first album a little bit some of it would fit right in there was some of those deeper.
Yeah, I see that it begins and some of those slower more those more serious tunes in the middle that make they're not radio friendly there they are with the county croissant what Adam Dürer it says.
Yeah this one really brings the album to a halt on you know momentum for for sure it's after the first the previous two very high paystacks this one just comes right back down to a crawl.
It's very dire streets to me I heard a lot of that in there and I appreciate that probably three or four minutes longer than I would have wanted this track especially for somebody who's not a big fan like that and had to be tough for you the repeated leave me alone.
And there is where Adam is laid at ania he's really listen to me I tortured soul here is a lot going on in this heart and he's really trying to portray that and being the tortured artist and it'll know I've always it's always been okay with me because to me that's when I'm listening to the county grows I expect that somber and seriousness from time to time.
And this is what it just took me several listens to to finally force myself to be okay I get what they're doing.
I get it yeah I've always liked it but like you said it's such a change of pace.
I don't know if I would go I would probably never go and be like you know when we listen to right now is like just happen in my car no I might happen by car and be like I want to listen to have you see me lately man that's be a good one to start this drive off with.
I try and ever do that with Miller's angels but when it's part of the art that is the album I it's got its place and I like it I like it words at I like it as part of it.
And then the next track is a slower paste and more serious and heavy idea again another horse dreamers blues.
So this is actually my favorite track on the album.
So this one is a cool song so I mentioned like how daylight fading was almost a precursor that I didn't even realize I was going to end up enjoying all country so much and I didn't think I'd ever when joy music like Jason is about made.
Back in 1995 1996 when I was like all about rock and roll I've come to love that story teller in here I this is the first song that I can probably think of that or maybe I realize like coming out like in in my generation.
That is a song that's not so much about the person that's writing it they're writing it about somebody else and maybe not even somebody that they know but a character they fictitiously have come up with the tell a story and I think probably the first song I ever heard my life that made me realize oh this isn't about the person that wrote it in my not even be about somebody that they know was Eleanor Rigby.
I don't think Paul McCartney knew anybody named Eleanor Rigby or wrote that song about anybody that he actually knew I think he had this cool idea of a story to tell to some really cool sounds and it became a song I often think of the artist the lyricist writing songs that are like biographical about people they know or auto biographical probably nine times out of ten.
Where with another horse streamers blues he's he's talking about a female so I know it's not him he's talking about and I don't think I've never heard that he's written this about any particular person and I just feel like it's a great story it's a here's a tortured soul that may be having some issues with gambling and this is their vice and maybe gambling not literally but using that for a relative parallel metaphor.
Yes so I just this is always a very interesting song to me I probably listened to it back when I was 18 or 19 years old I probably listened to it 10 20 times without ever being like wait a minute what do you just say and go back what he talking about and then being like all right there's way more to this then just this cool like organ sound and this nice little
little not like there's more to this than just that and I this song is always stuck out to me that way is this is a story about somebody else I remember Jason is Bell talking about some of his songs that I really enjoy and how he doesn't mind not making the song about himself and sometimes he even
might be something that like I started off with that's like a struggle for me but then it turns into this character that hypothetically could have a smidge of the struggle that I have but then just goes off in this whole other thing and I'm like I don't know why but I remember thinking when I heard Jason is Bell talk about that in an interview I remember saying like yeah like
Ernie Crowe's horse streamers blues like that's totally not Adam Duritz he's not writing that about himself or probably anybody that he knows he just made a great story and put it to an awesome musical track that he had until I've always played like this one as well.
Yeah musically is my draw to it I you mentioned earlier that I just love that bluesy approach to it and it's a nice a nice shift again on the album another type of music that you're not expecting.
mostly my favorite track on the album yeah wow I doubt if I would have had to guess I wouldn't guess that one I would have guessed more of the rock in one it's like children in bloom or have you seen me lately or angels of the silence is just knowing how much you like rock music I would have guessed that one so awesome to surprise pleasantly yeah say go the horse
horse is blues it was just a great track and it's easily my favorite take away from this one yeah this is another one that builds a little bit it comes back down before it ends but it does build and get a little stronger with the drums and the guitars get a little heavier and it's got just all of those different aspects that I think makes sense that I enjoy it because I like so many different kinds of music and there's so many different kinds of sounds and tempos within this one track just as there is in this entire
in this entire album we've talked about just like up temple whipping guitar tracks all the way to like pump into breaks to just the guitar in a piano or just a piano and a voice for a couple of measures and a really slow down tempo I think I just appreciate how many boxes this album checks and I think this song checks a lot of those boxes.
As we're getting to the you know home stretch of the full album here though I'm just looking at the what we got left and there's no two similar songs anymore the whereas earlier we had you two rocking ones together you had a couple of breathes and you know I'm just going to get back to be sick as we're getting to the you know home stretch of the full album here though I'm just looking at the what we got left and there's no two similar songs anymore.
The whereas earlier we had you two rocking ones together you had a couple of breathes each track that's remaining is really unique to the ones that are on the left and right of it.
Yeah I love the up tempo of monkey but I consider this more a piano track than a guitar driven track.
All dressed up no place to go in monkey when you're gonna show your face around me I know all the wrong rights and I just want to like the uniqueness of it and one thing is always stuck out to me from the moment I heard it for the very first time got Ben folds on my radio.
I don't know why but when I heard that for the very first time it made Adam Dirtz just see more human to me made him more like a guy that I might know because I might have been folds on my radio.
I know where but home to go got been folds on my radio right now.
I was a very stupid you're old way to look at it I like it.
I just never forget like just how that made me feel like I just lit up.
What these like Ben folds I love that folds and not many people do this is awesome he's a he's a guy like me.
Hey like when I hear this song that line jumps out at me with I said that my wife also loves this album this is a song that always makes me think of her too because my wife I think is absolutely gorgeous and her blue eyes are the best and so this talks about monkey opening up the blue eyes and I always feel like I'm singing that the her.
This is also sentimental track for me I love the tempo I love the extra piano I'm a guitar guy but I really like some good piano songs and this is a good one and it's full of these lyrics and then I really enjoy and as far as the other more piano heavy tracks go this one is lighter on the topic it's not so much it's not as heavy as all the other ones just about it's apparently about failed relationship with either.
Courtney Cox or Jennifer Aniston yeah I've always thought about this one being the Courtney Cox on yeah and I've always thought about have you seen me lately being the Jennifer Anderson one because of the green eyes that would make sense I guess I guess if those are the eye colors I couldn't tell you I think they were I think they were the ability of that a bit to date in this time was pretty fascinating he was bartending at the Viper room like he was.
He was like living the absolute dream life of 1996 unbelievable he was he was he was on friends like the two most beautiful ladies maybe in the world at that time and when I'm right or for a while too probably he was like a cool rock and roll artist man in the sentimental guy yeah I get past the dreads I've seen a picture of him today I have not he has cut them off he is almost on.
Unrecognizable really yeah like donate him probably no I just saw him have a signature look for deck it was but yeah he has he has cut the dreads often has a shorter haircut now and no facial hair yeah so I actually saw an interview I was just YouTube and some stuff in the last few weeks about the album and there was one of the interviews was at what and I'm directs explains like his favorite song and why.
And so I clicked on it was within like the last year or two it was recorded and it's him with the newer haircut but he actually says it's long December he's it's a song that just have never grown tired of I've never not wanted to play it so he goes I'm not like I just like other songs more than that one or whatever but it's just been such an easy song for me to play and listen to and I've just it's never I've never grown tired of it.
I've always liked long December it's a very the marriage of piano in his voice is very well done it not rushed at all not that it's slow it perfectly paste that it's easy to make that mistake on piano I'm not a piano player I'm just an avid listener but to those chords at the beginning perfectly paste throughout the entire thing and then his voice on there it just makes for a beautiful song and it's just one that it will stay.
And it's time for a long time.
The long December there's reason to believe the temple in the pattern in which he sings doesn't necessarily match the temple and the pattern of the piano playing but they go to well.
They go together so well like you said they just the compliment one another so well he doesn't rush the piano at any time he lets the notes carry to the next spot he doesn't rush the vocals he still gets the tell the story.
And in that interview it's not a very long interview it's like a two minute little thing and he just he talks about two and then goes and also it was just so easy to write it almost wrote itself it just came out.
It reminds me of the long and winding road in that there's several songs that come to my mind as far as really you can feel with this person singing.
And the long and winding road is one that can almost to this day still bring me tears just beautiful song in this one's kind of the same way when he says one more day up in the canyon and he lets it hang can yeah.
It's just you feel it and it's one more day up in the canyon and it's one more night and how.
And you can't not feel even if you hate the band and the song in the album you're still going to feel it.
Yeah this was the song that got by far the most radio play but it was one I never tired of like he said he's never tired of playing it like I've never really grown tired of this song either I don't seek it out.
To me when I listen to this song it's because I'm listening to this album all the way through and we'll have this like in a playlist away from any other counting crow songs.
When it comes up it's because I'm listening to my counting crow's playlist but I still skip it but it's not something that I've tired of that I've heard enough of if I listen to never mind I'm trying not listen to the teen spirit I like it it's a good song I could even tell you probably change my life.
But it's such a different thing but I've heard of enough I love Pearl Jam was absolutely my favorite band as a teenager I've gone to the next radio station when alive was on like I've heard that song quite a bit my life this long December is not one of those songs for me I just let it go every time it comes up I'm like I'm going to listen to this one all the way through.
And when I listen to that interview with him and made a lot of sense like he's never tired of it like I've never tired of it and he said it was so easy like in the writing process it just came out and I feel like what you said makes a lot of sense because this was in no way forced.
He didn't force any set yeah it's that authenticity again.
He did not try to force there wasn't like a certain lyric he tried to force in here there wasn't like a certain piano riff or chords or anything like that he tried to force into the make it happen he this song just happen very easily and it was very authentic and it just all just as he said it just came out and I think makes a lot of sense with how you described not rushing the piano.
And the lyrics in his voice complimenting the piano so well it all makes sense and I maybe that's why I enjoyed so much is not of it feels forced it's just natural.
Well that leads into the end of the album walkaways which was not what I was expecting for an album closer at all that was interesting.
No I have what how long is this on one one minute and well it's one minute and 50 seconds is almost to.
Sunday don't stay.
Not today.
This is one of those songs that I wish was like four and a half minutes long wait for the third and fourth verses of that exactly what I was thinking was like where is the rest of it I want that this is good it was good I wanted another minute or two.
Yes it is a really good little short song and if you ever do give that live on a wire a listen they the on they do the encore and then they close with the walkaways and it's the same.
It's not extended sometimes bands and for something there and think I'm sorry to the gift of build you up only to let you down but yeah I remember thinking oh bands are famous for this they like.
They take their three minutes song and they make it eight minutes long and right like pro jam did that with like porch like we know porch on on ten is four minutes long but if you see pro jam live porches 12 minutes long and it's up it can it's amazing open maybe not for 12 minutes but four five with the walkaways but nope it is what it is and it's great.
These you want more does leave you want more does it does yeah but again this is completely stripped down we've been so hot running the of the layers and the complexity with purpose things being done and placed in certain places for a reason for our listening pleasure and this one is just vocals and an acoustic guitar and it works so well.
And again this is maybe a little bit like country western because it's just an acoustic guitar and you can see somebody in a cowboy had just sing in the song we talked about daylight fading having a little bit of that country feel to it and you got the rock with the heavy songs with angels of the silences and have you seen me lately with that fast tempo and then you have I'm not sleeping with the orchestra all in the same.
Elbow and none of it seems like you're none of it really seems out of place the one thing that you mentioned felt a little bit out of place was the Miller's angels and it's probably the abrupt tempo change not that the piano based song did it in the album but it was that abrupt tempo change from the previous two songs and the very sl at the almost slamming on the.
Yeah I agree absolutely it's that say that sharp left turn and it's a long left turn it's so it's jarring and I think it's supposed to be jarring.
Yeah sure but just the spectrum of sounds and genres and themes that this album touches on and it doesn't seem like it was forced and it just seems to work and I can't really explain why I just have always enjoyed it.
And most importantly for it being the album that I brought to you for this show is.
It's just an album I've never grown tired of and I think that complexity is a reason why there's probably been.
Certain songs and maybe even certain areas of the album the first third the last third the middle third.
That I've enjoyed more or less at different times but there's always been something about this album regardless of the type of music that I that was resonating with me.
That I've always enjoyed like I said if we still were living in the the five disc changer world.
I think this one would still be in there for me.
This was a great selection and the fact that all those genres of music can fit onto that album even if they were just in a jumbled random order.
The talent of the band behind Adam to be able to play this stuff and play it well.
Just speaks to their talent is speaks to their skill and only their second album it's not like it wasn't like the Beatles were took you know ten years or whatever this was their second album.
That's impressive it's quite impressive for a band second outing in the massively competitive but creative nineties all rock landscape.
And we think back to that time and we think about the music that we were into and the music that was so popular at that time this was very different.
This was not the common type of music.
That we were hearing and that was popular at that time it was like the alternative to alternative.
Right it was so different certainly not what Pearl Jam was doing and we were loving that.
And it was not what radio head was doing and we were loving that and it was not what.
Nirvana had done it with the food fighters were starting to do we were loving that it was so different but yet I still loved it.
And I think it just speaks to how awesome.
A piece of art as an album.
This was because it was so different than all the other stuff that I was into as a nineteen year old.
So recovering the satellites made top of your list what other albums would be on your short list.
So I really thought about if I was making it like a best what I thought was maybe the best album ever.
Because at first I thought that's what kind of the mission was.
I was thinking Joshua Tree.
I think the first three songs on the Joshua Tree might be the best three songs that ever started an album.
I might not have replied to your email but.
Great where the streets have my name.
And still haven't found what I'm looking for and with or without you like.
No songs are so good.
And I love some of the deep tracks on that album to despite my disdain for you to I can't argue that.
I'm not a huge you can either so I I like you to in a certain window like County Crow's ever released several albums over the last 15 years.
And they just haven't.
Gived with me. I just have it.
And say you like you said with you to the specific era.
Joshua Tree and Octoom baby ever after that I just can't do you to I'm pretty much with you.
And I like the earlier YouTube stuff.
I like the early stuff up into the like Joshua Tree.
I don't really listen to anything after Joshua Tree.
But I can't deny the creative flow on that Joshua Tree though.
It is a good collection of music and maybe it does deserve my attention to revisit it.
It's been a long time.
But it to me it's just been tainted by Bono being.
Yeah. I know you mean like that album.
Oh my gosh.
That album.
So I thought about maybe that I thought about a Tom Petty wildflowers.
That's a wonderful album.
And one again I just I've talked about how much I've loved Pearl Jam and the Seattle sound and I dressed in my Doc Murns in my flannel shirts for years because of how much I loved all that music and that sound.
Tom Petty wildflowers came out right in the middle of all that I wasn't ready for it.
I liked some songs.
I was like those are some pretty good songs.
I liked some songs.
I didn't dislike it.
But I wasn't devouring it like I was radio heads the bends or Pearl Jam's vitalogy or pumpkins.
Like it was an afterthought for me.
Later as I think my musical tastes matured I realized how incredible that album was and then just a few years ago when he released the wildflowers and all the rest.
I listen to that in its entirety.
It it it took me like days.
It's so long.
It is so good.
I that album is so good and I was an album that I was very much aware of when it came out but I just I wasn't really ready for it.
But another one for me is this okay computer.
I wasn't really ready for okay computer.
Yeah.
I wanted to read you had to make the bends part two.
And they didn't they made it okay computer instead and I was like, oh, what is this?
This is okay, but these guys are taking they're going off in another direction. I'll allow you to like they're changing direction.
But I wasn't ready for.
Okay computer.
I was into some other stuff and it was later that somebody was like, dude, you're okay computer is awesome.
Like you really are.
I don't like all the other stuff you need to listen to that and I was like, all right, I will.
And then now radio head took me many years to appreciate to in his credit loop.
Boris when he brought the in Raybo's album to the show helped me along on that path.
Petty though, I loved the fact that we were young and able to experience full of fever into the gray white open wildflowers.
I was just man, but I was too young to appreciate the background of it and the differences between those three albums.
I didn't know about the heartbreakers. I didn't know about Jeff Lent.
I didn't know about any of these other influences or the fact that wildflowers was not the heartbreakers.
It wasn't the heartbreakers, but it was the heartbreakers.
There's just so many different.
Yeah, my Campbell helps out.
Yeah, but I didn't know any of that stuff.
I was too young to really get into that.
But then those three albums.
You listen to them as an adult with more music appreciation behind it.
It just adds, we've talked layers, but it adds just more layers of appreciation and just really well constructed songs.
Beautiful storytelling, amazing singing and musicianship.
We're just great albums.
Yeah, I'm hoping to do into the gray white open with another friend of mine here sometime in the near future.
So that'll be a lot of fun.
Yeah, I thought about that one.
I thought about doing radio head kid day.
Like I saw radio head and grandpa on the kid day and Meezy act tour.
It was amazing, absolutely amazing.
I met them after the show got autographs.
No, that's cool.
It was an incredible experience.
I was like 21 years old.
I went up there by myself with a general admission ticket and was like 30 feet away from Tom York and Ed O'Brien and it was just awesome.
Absolutely.
Best concert ever seen my life and I'm seeing I think not as many concerts of brosky, but I've seen a lot of concerts.
That is the best concert ever seen in my life.
It was so good.
But I thought about kid day, I thought about death cab transit, lanicism, thought about postal service, give up, which is Lewis is the female vocalist.
I'm there.
If you know what she is, I do not.
She's in a band called Ryle Kylie for a while.
She has this trademark red hair.
She's got a big voice.
She's super talented, but like very big on the indie rock scene.
Okay.
And then then Gebert is the lead singer of death cap and then this like electronic music artist did a collaboration with him and then they brought Jenny Lewis in because they needed like another voice and they made this like techno slash rock album.
And they made one album and they call themselves the postal service because then Gebert lived in Seattle and the other guy lived in LA and they literally taped and mailed through the postal service.
The demo is back and forth with each other and overdubs.
That's really neat.
Yeah.
It was a really great album and a unique album and different in a sentimental one for me.
And I thought about doing surgeon peppers or revolver or maybe even the white album still surprise.
No one's brought the Beatles yet.
No one wants to tackle it.
Yeah.
And I was Beatles nut.
Everett books.
I've been told the Beatles in Bowie are like, you want to, but you just don't you.
You're almost intimidated to talk about it because like Danny said on the neuron episode, what's what hasn't already been said about never mind.
So what yeah.
But that's that that intimidation factors there.
But it's all about the love of the album just sitting here talking about the album for an hour.
It's all the show is.
Yeah.
And what it means that each of us is unique.
What hasn't been said about never mind.
What hasn't been said is all the ways it made Danny broke up feel.
Your stories of Abby wrote are probably different than my stories of Abby.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And this is and that's why this is such an awesome thing.
One of the episodes that I listened to in the last couple of weeks.
Well, Phoebe Bridger's Punisher.
Oh, with Vago.
Yeah.
You just won his third Grammy.
Did he cool?
Yes.
He did.
Very cool.
So my daughter Phoebe Bridger is like her Eddie Vetter for me.
That's her number one.
And we played a song together last year at her school's like student talent thing
from the Punisher album.
We played Kyoto together, which is the song, which is the song about the terrible dad, which
I was ironic and we laughed about, but it was like a song that brought us together
because it was a song that I had heard like on the radio that I was like,
this is a really good song.
And my wife, this is the girl that Abby, like, loves.
This is the one that she likes so much.
And I was like, this song is great.
And we ended up playing it together.
Like she took a verse and I took a verse and I played guitar and that's cool.
Yeah, it was awesome.
So when I saw that somebody was doing Punisher, I was like, oh, I got a skip to this one.
I'm not very yet like in the progression of listening to all the shows,
but I had to skip to the Punisher one.
And I learned some cool stuff about that album that I didn't know.
And I was a great conversation.
It was really interesting to want to talk with a two time Grammy winner.
Now three time, but just here is insights about how he, you know, produces music.
Yeah.
And then the boy genius album, the album, the record, it's speaking of Grammys.
They just won three.
Yeah, they won three.
That album is so good, so good.
So we brought my daughter and one of her friends, my wife and I brought them up to a concert in Chicago.
It was like a festival and they were the headliner and it was in a park.
And it was all general admission and she was her birthday present.
We got her tickets to this, this show and they did the teenage thing and they pushed up my wife and I hung back by like the t-shirt tent and drink some craft beers and
the listen to their show and they were good.
Can I think of Lucy Davis, Phoebe Bridgers and
I don't know the other name of the she's the lead guitarist though.
She is an incredible guitar player.
I don't know.
Yeah.
She's pushing my knowledge a little bit there.
She stands in the middle.
Hold on.
I got to know a little open here.
They were a very good show.
I was super impressed with them live.
It was one of the best shows that I've ever seen.
And then there's one thing that I thought of that I told Danny and Michael, wouldn't this be cool?
The best album you never heard of.
So people would bring the best album that they don't think other people know about.
That's similar to my friend Keith's podcast called Abandon albums.
So I highly recommend you check out that podcast.
I'm bringing albums.
Okay.
It's a great show.
It does albums that are pretty much exactly that.
Uh-huh.
And they are deep cuts albums that you've just probably haven't heard of before.
He broke from some great bands and he has a lot of those actual band members on.
He did the broken homes episode last season.
Okay.
So if you've listened to the broken homes episode of music rewind, broken homes was the first episode of Abandon albums.
Cool.
So I thought the one that would be for me is easy.
It's a Buffalo Tom big, red, letter day.
Heard of it, but I haven't listened to that as one of my favorite albums.
But nobody else, very few people know that album.
I think I only know it because of my committee.
I feel like I turned them on to it probably, but it's like a power pop jingle rock.
But I don't know something about it, man.
I was like one of those albums that I heard for the very first time and I was like, repeat.
Yeah, really good.
Hey, man.
This is awesome.
Thanks so much for having me.
What do you think I thought it was going to be?
I was flattened.
Like, what are we going to do after 20 minutes when I'm done?
We're our hour and 45.
Yeah.
Any final thoughts about the album or or music in general?
No, I mean, I think I spilled.
I mean, that's everything that's I've had so many thoughts with all this extra time to think about this episode.
Did I pick the right album?
What would I have done differently?
What were what were the like the runners up?
I didn't even mention Oasis.
Here's another one.
Like I was going to have a hard time like picking an Oasis album.
Just one because I love Oasis.
Just love no Gallagher, but definitely maybe is the answer to that.
It probably is because that was my first exposure and I've got a lot of sentimental stories about that album.
But yeah, there is a lot that was hard for me to chop down and will down either.
Dr. Smitri or wildflowers were probably the runners up.
If I have openings in the future, we'll get you back on or if we ever get back to doing more live streams,
we'll see if we got some availability to pull you into there.
Chat with the whole group.
But it was been a pleasure to have you on.
And so good to see you in the game.
Good to see you, ma'am.
I hope all the touring stuff doesn't wear too much on you guys.
It's such a cool thing, such a cool thing.
It is very cool.
Go see the Peter Pan National Tour.
If you're listening to this and you'll see my son on stage.
He's amazing.
I love it.
And I am still floored every time I even speak those words that he's on stage.
So.
Pretty for a hot minute here. I forgot that other people were going to listen to this.
So you said that you're listening to this.
Yeah, they'll be a few.
Just this well, just like you and me were like catching up and then just talking about an album and I was.
We have people are going to listen to this.
I forgot that's the whole point.
I guess that means my interview skills are improving.
For sure, man, this was just like a hangout.
This was awesome.
Appreciate you.
I'd like to thank you for listening to this episode of Music Rewind.
This season will be a little bit different on rollout because I'm currently on tour with Peter Pan the musical.
As a cast member though, my son Reed Eppley has the role in Michael Darling and my wife and I are supporting him through their North American tour.
I'll get music rewind episodes in where I can, but family will always come first.
So you're called to action this season is the first to get Music Rewind a great review wherever you would see.
And then go to Peter Pan on tour dot com to see this amazing production at a city near you.
And now as I always say, listen to the full album until next time.
A podcast from the Cedirium media group back to you, anchors.
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