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Hello and welcome to the final 905er episode of 2023.
And as I guess is now traditional for us and traditional for just about every other
news, current affairs program in the known universe. We're going to look back on the year that was
and also look forward to the new year to come and kind of review what we looked at and
make some or perhaps excellently informed predictions for the year to come.
And in the context of excellent predictions I'm just going to read out a short quote that I believe
was written by my colleague and partner here Joel. And as I have well, our prediction and I
suspect actually probably more Joel's prediction if I'm completely honest for 2023.
And here's the quote. So speaking of what's next, we look ahead to 2023 and what we predict will be
the top story for the beginning of the year at least. Our suspicion is that Doug Forts Green Belt
troubles are only starting and this will prove to be an even larger scandal as more and more details
become known. Well, there's 100% correct and then there's 100% correct. I learned Joel,
what kind of percentage of correct do you reckon that prediction was?
Well, I don't want to toot my horn that loudly, but yeah, I mean, that was, that came true.
And current records do. I would love to say it was all us, but it was a hunch that paid off
but the real people who did the heavy lifting and the hard work and the journalistic bonafides
were the fine people at the Narwhal who they had a great year in article where they just some of the
whole story this year up, but Emma McInTosh and and Fatima Syed at the Narwhal have done a
fantastic job of just being a dog with a bone on this one and just not letting it go and
as well the other the other side of that the we had on
Tim Gray from Environmental Defense talk about their ongoing lawsuits to get this stuff to light and
they were the other kind of side of this this project that just showed really just how
let's be honest, let's call it a spade, a spade corrupt and incompetent this government came on
the on the housing file. The idea that they were in bed with developers to open up large swaths
of the Greenbelt despite the fact that they promised all of us not just the Narwhal but across the
prompt they wouldn't touch it, they did, they not only touch it, they metal around with it, they messed
it up, they they were everything about it was just crooked and unseemly and just
done wrong. Thankfully now thanks to articles in the Narwhal and to the good people at Environmental
Defense the government has been forced to basically retract everything that they've done
on the Greenbelt because that's what happens when you get your hand caught in the cookie jar.
They had no other game to play there's no way you could save it there's no way you could
re-imagine the policy or the process it was just crooked from day one and they got caught and I
mean this is this is a dare I say it I mean this is like a I don't like saying gate but this is like a
Watergate level of corruption like this is just it did every new door you open every piece of paper
you found it just showed more and more corruption or incompetence on the part of the government to
to basically give over the Greenbelt to not not not saying all developers a select few developers
that's that's the even the greasier part of it is there's just entirely a backroom deal so
yeah I mean when I when I made that claim that I suspect it was going to be this big not really
I thought it was just going to be a scandal that was just going to keep going for a few weeks but the
fact that it was just it was but as corrupt as corrupt can be I was all surprised at that I'll be
honest man man like that this is this is I every time what we you look on it I like it and say this
has got to be the biggest corruption story not non-territor history I'm going to put it up there
in Canadian history just the level of corruption that was unveiled here I think it's right up there
in terms of good old fashioned corruption as we understand corruption you know you can say there are
bigger things that have happened in Canadian history there are outrageous there are more outrageous and
also you can talk about the treatment of the First Nations and things like that that's a different kind
of wrongdoing if you like it's not definitely not an excuse definitely definitely not an excuse
but many of the people involved in say what and what amounted to in many ways if not entirely to a
attempt at genocide thought they were doing good I mean does that give them any get out of jail no it
doesn't but this is people knowingly acting to line the pockets of friends just allies whatever in
the most kind of vinyl and obvious way I mean it's not complicated they can they can deny it but I
mean it's like really it's just right there for everybody to see and I think I mean I haven't
gone back and checked the actual what we actually said in the episode this time last year but I suspect
that if I could predict I probably had a more jaundiced view of whether this scandal would kind of get
traction and the reason was that there had been other scandals as far as we're concerned that had come
and gone with remarkably little attention I was like I don't I don't see anybody being able to kind
of get again get the traction in this story it just seems that you know they can do what they like
and people like me whatever it's fine but this one for whatever reason did catch the public imagination
I think I mean partly it caught the public imagination because it is such it's like old school
it's like old school corruption and I was like men in smoking cigars and you know it like it has
leaks of that kind of back room yeah stuff so it's easy to grasp in some ways this is this is
all termony hole corruption yeah and I do think just the the it shows once again what can happen when
decent journalism is done by somebody and it's notable they didn't come from the globe or the star
it came from the novel and also activists a good old-fashioned activist really people who are
not going to get you know rich or build huge reputations on the back of this but just really believe
in in the cause and you know again we've spoken to environmental defense and they've done
incredible work I think and you know in so far as the official opposition or the not so official
opposition had much role to play in this they were I mean I really feel they were Johnny come lately
and it really pissed me off actually when the NDP kind of when when this all really hit the big time
that the NDP were kind of claiming credit you know when when the the the promise reversed
everything it's like you know thanks you know we did this together and it's like I don't think
we did do it together with you I think other organizations did it together I mean this is this is
I you're right I think this this story is primarily a
that this is this is a grassroots story I mean this is clearly the government did something they
did it secretly they did it behind like behind closed doors it was done they knew and the
reason why we know that they were doing it secretly and they were doing it wrong is that they
reversed it when you're caught doing something wrong and you have no and there's no justification for
it it's not even a matter of like you know it people don't like it but we think it's right so we're
gonna push ahead you know you didn't wrong you know you know there's no defense of it and the
reason why we know that is that they reversed it it's done like there's there's all the protections
are back in place and that's because they got caught and how they get caught it was because of
grassroots it was the people this is what happens in a democracy is you do not like what your
government is doing and you say I want answers this was a failure on on you're right on mainstream media
and kind of the the opposition parties the normal small independent journalism doing great work
grassroots environmental organizations wanting to get answers to questions that they have
again they were just a dog with a bone on this and they did not let it go and we've got the answers
and this this is you know it's kind of that old school journalism uncovering corruption
you know that that progressive era of a of a journalism that that's going on here and it's refreshing
to see and it's it embodies me that you know the people are ticked off and they're angry and there
is only about the kind of the elites are just out of touch that it kind of to be it it
it connects into that broader sense that I feel is that happening with people is that the ones
at the top have no idea what's going on at the bottom they have no idea what the priorities are for
those of us who are on the ground living our lives day to day that the environment climate change
are important to us we want to protect it we want a new way of doing things going forward and instead
we have Queens Park both opposition and the government kind of under touch with what's what's happening
on the ground the Toronto star and the globe and definitely international post post media have no
clue what to report they have their own agendas that they're circulating through and the rest
of us are kind of under touch with with what they want we just don't care we have our own concerns
and quite frankly I think our concerns are more valid more important and should be
top priority for those in power and that's where I kind of like this story a lot is that it was the
people kind of taking back that power and say no this is not a priority for if we're not going to
sit back and just let it roll back and say oh yeah well you know those those bozos at Toronto and
Queens Park just screwed it again no we're not taking more aligns online you said you were not going
to touch the green boat put it back you got caught um that that that's that's that's ultimately the
crux of the story I think is why why this is so so happening I suspect there's going to be more
to it as we go on in the next few years there's that it was going to be ties back to this but this
is something that will hang around Doug Ford and his government's head for the rest of time
I think so too yeah I mean I think um you know if you look back at the the liberal years
it always comes back to you wonder you want to talk about why they ultimately
lost while ultimately they were kicked out it always comes back to that gas plant story
the whether or not that was ultimately what forced forced them from power or the sodom people vote
them out that was the kind of mental turning point even though it was almost I don't know it's
getting on for a decade almost after the scandal by the time they actually lost that was kind of
mentally people's like okay these guys are bombs now whether rightly or wrongly and then I would
like a talkal day about why a huge part of that story was unfair um you know and my bias is being
that I was involved with that party at the time that that was happening but um uh the you know in
them in the mind of the population whether it's rightly wrongly or otherwise that was the turning
point and I feel like that even if Doug Ford wins the next election this is still something that's
going to be coming back to something that's going to dog them um for um for the remainder of their time
however long that might be um you know why don't we do one two it focuses people's people's
are you know the people who don't like them it's like now it's like why don't you like this is just
well you just can't you can't kick this you can't kick this free and don't don't be a reason
we're gonna we're gonna come back to this thought later in the episode folks because we're gonna
do a cover prediction for 2024 and this is gonna be a theme that we're gonna revisit but so
stick around to the end of the episode folks but moving on uh let's the other story that we thought was
uh a top a top notch story for the hit for the year and that's the the fact that
the federal government finally getting off its behind and getting into the housing housing game
for a number we've I can't remember how many times we've had on mic motha to the podcast but we
had mic motha it on a couple times Jennifer Kees met from uh on as well to talk about as well as
Michelle Baleck for the Ontario coalition and property and we've all we're all talking about
the housing crisis how do we how do we get more housing built to meet that demand that's there
and all three of them from very different backgrounds one economics professor one is in the development
business the third is a grassroots poverty activist all three of them said uh get the HST off
of new rental bills that's the biggest barrier to getting affordable rentals built in the in the
country and we've been like we've been just hearing that from all over just very different parts
of uh of the zeitgeist I guess but to find see the government get off its butt and say okay we're
going to remove the HST off of new rental bills and they seem to be actually getting involved in
this and actually putting the plans forward it's refreshing to see um I think the fact that they
only did it quite honestly is because Pierre Poye have took that housing while and ran with it
it was it's his sort of now I mean I think that I think we're starting to see that getting more
towards the federal government now and Pierre's a little bit less shipper on that that front
but I mean you give Pierre player credit words do that man let a fire underneath this
government's butt to finally do something on the housing file so you know could it was to Pierre but
the author I said it um yes I guess um that is the role of the opposition right uh that you
you pressurize the government and in an ideal world that pressure brings about good things
I guess um I've really struggled to to to give him any kind of credit but yeah I mean
uh I credit for the government for actually doing something that people were asking for and again
it does show that you know when when politicians listen to people good things can happen and hopefully
the the predictions that the HST could have a major effect on uh the more affordable end of the
the housing market will move to be true as well that happen overnight you know that that's that's
the problem with all this and that the um you know if if someone as a result of that HST change is like
oh we'll consider building affordable housing well that process is now just starting in the very
earlier states and that will take five to ten years to start feeding through into the actual
housing market so you know the the you know the housing picture is a kind of oil tanker you know
that the metaphor we use for all kinds of other things when oil tankers sort of slamming on the
brakes and trying to turn around you know we've just slammed on the brakes we're going to have to wait
a long time for that tanker to start turning um but you know that's just the story of housing I guess
that and really the tragedy uh is that so much time has been wasted so you know by the province um
in in in its complete ineffectuality um you know we're just throwing away time and the same goes for
just the environment same goes for so many other things that they're incompetence and their
veneality it's just throwing us years behind in in all kinds of issues that we don't have time to waste
uh you know dealing with so yeah that's frustrating but uh you know in my criticism of the federal
government would be that the that they've been so damn modest uh in their ambition since 2015
um so this is good I mean but could we have seen more uh yeah I mean really housing is not there
it's not really their their patch right and you know in other theme that we've seen repeatedly and I
think we'll come onto this again later in the episode is the you know the province screws something
up so the feds come in to sort it out which is great I guess but that's not how the country is supposed
to work um and if all you're doing each time the province makes a screw up is uploading
those costs and those responsibilities to the federal government then we can't have in trouble
uh particularly when you know good chance the next prime minister is a fucking stupid little sh*t head
um was odious creeping Canadian history before he's even in government um you know god help us um
um anyway that's another story from the same
s*t that it is
I don't like mr. polyf I didn't know if i'm what he's noticed
s*t that's it that's that's an episode for another hand other after six I don't know if anyone
who actually likes some they don't like Trudeau but if you've never heard of him say yeah actually
like Pierre um but that might be a whole episode for another
for twenty four we just don't mix in the right circles Joe maybe it's probably maybe like we
we don't hang out with with the uh we know with the with the with the fuck Trudeau people you know
we hang out with the fuck while he has people so it's not even it's not even
that it's i like to think i have a wide swath of people in my life that have a variety of
different opinions and backgrounds and whatnot i've never heard of anyone
speak of Pierre as like yeah he is the me he is the solution we need i am so excited i like him
i want to hang out with him and i just want to be around him and i want to be you know he's cool
don't hear that i hear people complaining like the like the fellow governors aren't doing enough we
need to change in that thing and that's a legitimate concern beef to have but i just i don't
yeah i just don't i don't i've never heard of anyone excited about Pierre who actually think he's a nice
guy that he's somebody that you're like you know what i he he he's got a he's gonna be a nice
he's a nice guy that's gonna put me forward but i've never i've never heard anyone say that now you
right maybe we're just in the wrong completely the wrong circles but um i mean but again give
him credit where it's credits do he's driven the trudo government to put a lot of eggs into the housing
basket and i'm curious to see what's gonna come what's gonna happen next you know who knows by
the next time that the next federal election comes around uh Pierre might be having to go to a
different page in the playbook to uh to to bash trudo so we'll see what happens what's next in our
honor plate well again this is related to housing when everything's related to housing and i guess it
comes back to our theme on this podcast about you know the interrelatedness of all things um but it's
the ideological stuff uh theme this year um coming out of the province um uh was the
you know the attacks on um trans students uh the kind of dogma are about that their teachers are trying
to indoctrinate our children as if they haven't got better things to do with their time um and you know
and where did that come from you know dogford hasn't one thing he said about dogford in his first sort
term in a half but that he's not really an ideological guy he's just you know he's he's not about the
dogma he's about just running the country and being dogford um that's where he is different from
a from a polyev or or even a harper um he's you know he's not a guy with a big brain he really gives
you know you don't get the sense he's a big religious guy or any of that stuff but what happens when
conservative uh politics fail which they do um and when conservative governments are incompetent it's
like well okay so the policies are failed so what do we do now to get support well let's attack
some minority that everybody that we like wants to attack uh so it's like go after trans students
go after teachers turning stent um go after um you know go after people who can't actually defend
themselves um and create an ideological war create a a moral panic uh and that's what we saw
dogford doing this year with uh uh you know with the increasing number of attacks on uh you know
what our teachers up to in our classrooms and all those kind of baloney um which um
I can tell you what teachers drop it to in their classrooms and that's trying desperately to teach
your stupid children how to fucking do the basics excuse the language I'm coming out with today but
it's it's early in the morning and I'm kind of you know feeling a bit irritable um yeah I mean it says
that in the that's of all the things we've seen this year that annoys me even worse than the
corruption of the green belt it's like going after people uh the weakest in our society the people
are least able to to defend themselves and and and baking you know basically feeding into
an absolute lie the teachers want to force some agenda uh of you know trans sexuality
right onto your children I mean it's just garbage it's a fucking lie again what with the F
problems but um you know just scre ye dogford well I mean yeah I mean that that's the
we have had two we did a few episodes on this matter one we had on uh former premier Kathleen
Winn uh to discuss the matter uh which was unsightful but the the need the why we need to ensure that
trans kids are protected and feel safe and secure uh and able to use their pronouns as they wish
in our schools uh that was and that was a very insightful episode I thought the other so that I
thought was uh you know my one two this is my time to two my own horn was um just going to the that
million parent or million person march that was not a million people but basically protesting
outside of school boards uh to again to your claim of there's a conspiracy in our school boards and
our teachers and the teachers you need to somehow force kids to become trans uh which was ridiculous um
but we had you know I talk with both sides and I did it was just very much there's a lie on one side
there's a lie of that this is happening now where I think it's it gets dangerous is our government
and there's something reflected on after the fact that our government has not stepped up and said
this is not the case there is no conspiracy in our school boards Steven Lechet or Mr. Education
should have been at the microphone since day one to say this is not government policy there is
no conspiracy to convert any child into something that they are not and that just doesn't happen like
I I I'm looking back on that whole situation I am shocked at how silent the progressive conservative
party was on this matter that I mean the the fact that Steven Lechet kind of flirted with it he
when Saskatchewan and New Brunswick introduced legislation of their own to force uh schools
teachers and administrators to out trans kids to their parents despite that they may not wish it
and fact that Steven Lechet was flirting with the idea and openly trying to point it
this this language matters and he can say well he didn't actually do it he didn't bring it
it's like no he doesn't have to because there's a reason why and it again my prediction for the next
year ahead is what we're we're going to get into and it deals it comes back to this
but it to me it was just screaming it was telling why wasn't there an explicit denunciation a
no this is not government policy this is not going on in our school boards you have been misinformed
you have been lied to it never came it never happened
I said we can announce it would be to contradict his own leader in effect you know you got dug up
up there on the platform or whatever event it was I can't remember what event it was now basically
basically saying you know yeah there's always crazy stuff going on without teachers you know
you know as it's been put to me teachers were just like if they're trying to indoctrinate
your children just basic decent behavior would it would be what they all want so they can get
that through their day you know well that we had the one episode the follow-up episode to that
that person March where we had on student Jeiden from high school here in in bronchant in the 905
who identifies as trans and to hear their perspective on what's going on in our schools kind of
actually on the ground was so from me was so enlightening I mean I've been out of high school for
20 years on I'm 20 30 years on I'm removed I can't remove from that situation and but to hear that
you know a you and I have said this a million times on this podcast the next generation astounds us
they are so much more informed they're so much more compassionate they are so much more
energetic and mobilized it gives me a lot of hope that the next generation is going to be
a lot they will do a lot of great things when they come to power in this province and in this country
I'm convinced of it after speaking with so many of them but yeah I was just I know that
I guess that this brings it brings us into the prediction aspect of this episode and that's
kind of what we're we're suspect is going to we're going to see happen in the in the not just the
nullified but the province for over the next few years that we're going to tie it back into the
green belt I suspect the housing file it will continue to plague governments mostly because this
prevent it will turn into this provincial government will need to take action now the plan that they
wanted to put into play was the green belt they wanted to open that up and they thought that would
solve their their woes it turns out that's no longer on the on the table what's going to happen now
I don't know but I can't see a solution out of it without massive provincial money being invested
into it and somewhere or another either through tax credits or through through through direct
building investments something's going to have to give there's going to have to be some kind of
action taken by the government it can't just be oh I'm going to remove the red tape and that's
going to be the problem and that goes against Doug Ford and the conservative DNA that I can't see
them doing it it's just it goes against what they want or what they believe fundamentally in their
boats so where does that leave the 905 well it leaves a lot of municipalities being short-changed because
of bill 23 who are going to have the pressure to meet the targets that they've all agreed to
but they're going to have the money to pay for the needed infrastructure to accommodate those
developments now to accommodate the transit that's going to be needed for other more people living
in their in our cities and they're going to come to the province to say give us the money
will the province work it over who knows by predict that's going to be a massive fight between
the municipalities and the province in 2024 and 2025 it's my my prediction
which is going to lead to a fact that at some point the promise is going to say I don't want to
spend the money I don't want to fork it over we see that they don't want to fork it over for
health care they don't want to fork it over for education and that's going to lead to
things just not working out for us and rather than deal with another green belt scandal or
or what I think it'll come down to it'd be easier for them to go to the trusted conservative playbook of
let's go pick on this group of people namely trans kids I think that they they tiptoed around it in 2023
and they saw they could get away with it I suspect we're going to see them going to that well
or to that playbook and start using plays from there to divert attention away from other failures
that they're they're going through especially in the housing file that's that in the affordability
file is that becomes more and more prevalent for people in the coming years when they are inactive
on that file it's going to be easier to say let's show up the base and how do we do that
let's go plan to see that there's some conspiracy in our schools to turn your kids trans or
or trans kids are getting extra accommodation over years or some other lie that's easy to sell to
their base and and cause a disturbance that distracts the media and the rest of us from
I would argue more lasting damage that could be done to this province
yeah um yeah I mean I agree with that is um uh giving you a prediction last year I'm saying not
gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go with what you ever use I'm not I'm not giving you biggest odds
here but no yeah I mean it's like that that's right when governments fail
if they're not already in the ideological camp which increasingly that's the starting position
not their ending position but some ways dog forwards government is more traditional conservative
and then it wasn't very ideological dog forwards not a naturally ideological guy
but because his policies are failing in every way you know the green belt issue that's the core
of dog forwards government if you know like each each government you can it can kind of pick
a theme that is the premier's baby to an extent if you look back at daughter McGinty he would have
talked about education um I think with Kathleen when you would have talked about transit and with dog
forward it's housing and it's the core of that was you know gonna open up you're gonna get rid of all
this red tape just let people build build build and that's gonna fix everything and it hasn't it's
utterly utterly failed and process they got caught acting corruptly um so what's left now what is
dog forwards government if it isn't that uh well you know then you get into the desperation states
okay how do we shore up our base well let's just attack you know the perceived enemies uh
the people who are not actually enemies and these things don't create jobs they don't help the
economy but they they they the only benefit of these kind of stories is that they keep governments in
power um so yeah I would predict more of that uh I would predict more of it anyway because it's
very much polyabs playbook uh it's really the only thing polyabs got going for him as far as I can see
it's we're not going for him but you know that's his his politics is the politics of division is
the politics of of hate of dishonesty and dividing Canadian against Canadian in a way that I haven't
seen in a country that I've lived in before I've seen it in other countries obviously the one to
ourselves um but to see it sort of here on our doorsteps uh troubles me greatly um but yeah I
have dogs gonna go down that road because what else has he got what else has he got um
I would say I just want to I think you're we are correct in this and I wanted to stake my
acclaim to it uh for 2024 and 2025 but I do want to put a big asterisk and big caveat on that and
that is it's not all doom and gloom because well I can picture our right wing governments going
down that road I want to play that card I was also very much emboldened by the fact that in our schools
we saw it at foe and in the various unions on the side of trans students we at those protests we
saw an equal number of activists um progressives coming out to defend trans rights I am encouraged
that we have two opposition parties the NDP and the Ontario Liberals three and it's all the green
party who are very much in pro trans rights and I think we'll be catering on that support to fuel
their movement into the next election um and I think there's a number of organizations around
the province who will keep pressure on at the grassroots level keep the pressure on our government
to to stay on this on straight narrow I think you the we see organizations like environmental
defense who are going to see who are going to keep the pressure on us eight no no focus on the issues
that matter protecting the green belt sustainable development building our cities in the 905 to be
more more friendly to us um I so I don't think it's all necessary doom and gloom I think that I
think what I've seen in 2023 tells me that we have power we have we have we have weight in this
fight we are not helpless to it and if you if you if you're seeing dark times ahead folks there might be
but look to the person and people next to you because we're all in this together and we out
number and I do believe we outnumber anybody who is uh who who'd rather who rather work in the
darkness that rather than uh work towards the light there's a progressive majority in this country
that always has been and I hope there always will be um yeah the the frustrating thing for me as I
get increasingly grumpy and old is that that progressive majority does not uh get itself organized
to make sure that the minority minority uh politics of division and selfishness and greed and corruption
is never allowed near government um you know there's a simple answer to this um and that's
cooperation between progressive parties to make sure that somehow or other even if you don't get
everything that you want we don't all get what none of us want which is what our political system
is delivered so often um so yeah I mean if I'm predicting for the next year my prediction
is a bit more gloomy it's just the gloomiest time in terms of hope that I've had in my life
because it seems that every decision that is made is wrong but you're right we do have a massive
majority there's a story that no one's mentioned that really should be front page news and there's
the massive capitulation that the provincial government has just done with all the teachers unions
it was talk all this year that that that industrial action was on the way that we were going to have
more strikes um because it was presumed it's like the government's going to go after the teachers um it's
going to you know and actually the completely bailed on the whole thing the teachers unions
you know teachers are getting back pay for for income that they should have been earning over the
last so so many years they've just got paid out for the money that Dalton McGinty owed them
like recently and now Doug Ford's going to be paying them for the money that he owes them um so um
you know Doug the strong leader um once again is not a strong leader um
I've always thought his government is very fragile someone that can't be who it's annoying me
I can't remember who said it the other day someone's talking about you know how Doug Ford is like
the Teflon Premier I don't actually think he is I mean certainly the the the green belt story has
stuck to him stuck to him hard um and he's always been very fragile when criticized he will reverse
any moment the minute he thinks he's getting unpopular he's a weak leader um the problem is that
the leaders of the other parties are weak too um and I guess at least they now all have leaders
and that's uh question we have over the next year is whether that will make any difference
or whether it is actually down to not the opposition parties but organizations like the unions
like environmental defense like the NARWAL uh like in our little way us uh to hold governments to
account um in a way that our logical processes just don't seem to
well I think on that note let's uh wrap up 2023 with um at least a Merry Christmas a Happy New Year
Happy Hanukkah if that's what you celebrate and you know what just look out for each other
if it just extend that helping hand to to your neighbor whenever possible and we'll all get through this
together uh because we have to yeah so take care everyone we'll see you in the new year bye bye
bye
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