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Her name is Rachel Lee.

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She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph

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Raines Jr.

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This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman but nearly a whole famed amily that

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participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon.

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Hi Cassie.

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Hi Caitlyn.

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Hi creepy people.

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Hello!

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I was waiting to see if you were going to do it.

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Always waving at the blank computer screen in front of me.

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Yeah, yeah, as one does.

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Sorry, it's not even bubbles.

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Slow down.

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Not even bubbles.

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Yeah.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we

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chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things witchy in the Pacific Northwest.

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Ooh, witchy.

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Yeah, sometimes creepy.

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I love creepy witchy.

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Do hikis.

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Alright, yeah.

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Bye, gotta do hiki for you.

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Ooh.

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So she said, speaking of witchy, we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode

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for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day.

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Just to make sure you stick around.

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If you're into that witchy creepy type of stuff.

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I feel like today, if you've never listened to the terror reading before, first of all,

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shame on you, but it's not too late, start making things right.

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Let's just say the vibe will be there.

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It'll be witchy today.

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Totally.

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Bitchin.

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Witchin, bitchin, bitchin, witchin.

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Witchin and bitchin.

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Do we have any announcements?

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You know, it's funny, you should say that because yes, yes we do.

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Oh, it's like I knew beforehand.

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Yeah.

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I'm not even sure that this is really so much an announcement as it is just something,

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just a little bit of a shout out.

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Ooh.

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I like shout outs.

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I do as well.

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We were featured by blog.feedspot.com.

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Us?

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We were.

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Ooh.

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Yes.

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On their list of 15 best Pacific Northwest Stories Podcasts.

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So we're number two.

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Ah.

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Yeah.

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Number two is first loser.

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And I'm just kidding.

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Just kidding.

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That's so cool.

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Yeah.

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So we're excited.

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Our good friends, what happens in the woods are also on the list.

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What up?

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What happens?

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What up?

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In the woods?

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It didn't finish it.

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We'll put it in the show notes so that you guys realize that this humble brag is not only

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humble, but it's real.

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Yeah.

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It is real.

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We didn't make this up ourselves.

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Thank you, Feedspot.

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Yes.

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It sounds like a place I want to go eat a buffet.

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The Feedspot.

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Oh no.

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Now I'm just picturing a troll.

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Me too.

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I had, well, obviously, because we were talking about feed, but I was picturing a bunch of people

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out of trough.

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Just like, yeah.

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Get in it.

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So I actually heard about this case probably about a week before Cassie also sent it to me.

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I was getting my nails dead.

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My little titsy.

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And someone that I met at this one actually recommended this and actually a couple of other

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cases.

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So when Cassie texted me one night and I happened to be working on my notes, that's so

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fucking weird.

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It's really weird.

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It's really weird.

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I was like, that's so funny.

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I may or may not be working on this, but also I totally am.

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Yeah, because I was, I watch American greed a lot to go to sleep because it's just like the

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guy's voice is like kind of monotone and it's soothing.

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So I, and I heard like two key words and I was like, immediately turned it off because I

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don't want to know anything about it because I want to hear it from Caitlyn.

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I texted her immediately.

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Cover this.

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Did I even tell you like what it was about or did I say, hey, it's this thing and this

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thing?

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Have you?

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I don't know what it's about, but look into it.

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Cassie said, and I quote, this just popped on an ep of American greed and I heard Oregon

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and tarot and I'm turning it off because I want you to cover it.

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You might have heard of it, but I don't think I have and I want to hear it from your glorious

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mouth hole.

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LOL, that was awkward, but I'm not taking it back.

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I'm funny.

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And there were a series of emojis.

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And do you want to know what I said in reply?

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Yes.

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Oh my god.

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Wait.

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Bitch.

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Yes.

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I'm already covering it.

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I haven't gotten like super into it so far.

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Like super into it.

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But I found a court doc literally today and was like, this is definitely getting covered.

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LOL, no joke.

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Two day all caps.

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No cap.

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No cap.

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And you said, yes.

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That's my reply to a lot of things.

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You said what?

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That's crazy.

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I don't watch the actual TV channels very often.

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That's so weird.

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Oh my god.

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I can't wait to hear it.

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What time?

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Can I ask what time this was real quick?

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In my town.

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I might miss here.

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I might be miss remembering.

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605 pm is the last time stamp that I can see.

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Because that's what it was then.

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Because I usually watch it to go to sleep.

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So I'm not actually watching it.

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I turned it on and I was like, oh, American Greed sounds good right now.

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So it was like totally random.

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Interesting.

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And there was a bit more back and forth, but it's important to note that there is evidence

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for forensic evidence that I received this hot tip from not just Cassie, but this last

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text that I'll read.

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My pedicure friend that I don't think I had time to tell you about last Saturday actually

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told me about it.

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I friended her on LinkedIn.

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Creep.

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What you did tell me about her.

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You were really excited.

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I said like a weird loser weirdo lol.

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And I don't take that back either.

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Right.

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The rain's family tree farm in Gaston is about an hour west from the comparative hustle

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and bustle of the city of Portland.

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I know where that is.

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It's an organ.

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One of our keywords.

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I know someone from Gaston.

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You do.

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I do.

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Hi, Tonya.

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Is her last name, Raines?

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No, it's not.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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It's not.

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It's where the patriarch of the Raines family along with his son planted over a million trees.

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That sounds good.

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We like trees.

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At least by junior's own estimation.

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So it's kind of a round number.

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Is it like that thing where you like you do something for so long?

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You're like, oh, I planted like a million.

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It's a rough estimate.

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It occupies land purchased in the 1950s by Ralph Jr.'s father, Ralph Sr.'s father, Waldo,

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was already established in the logging industry in Washington County dating back to 1915.

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Wow.

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Where is he?

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Huh?

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Oh, my God.

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I thought you forgot already where this story takes place.

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And I was like, you where is Waldo?

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Four facts.

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Sick.

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That jokes.

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah.

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And boy, did Ralph Sr. have some stories to share from back in the day?

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If you're a member of the Patreon, don't go digging through our sources on Pastebin.

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I want you to see Cassie's face when I read her a story from one transcript in particular.

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Patreon bonus video.

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Oh, yeah.

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Nice.

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Far from your typical tycoon, Ralph Sr. was a decorated World War II pilot and graduate

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of Oregon State University married shortly after the war was over.

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The couple would go on to have a single child, a son in whom Ralph instilled not just the

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monetary value of the land and the trees on their property, but also that of hard work

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in maintaining the beauty of the natural environment by creating a sustainable forest

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operation.

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Well, that sounds like really, really good.

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I know.

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We stand the Ralphs.

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Yes.

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Sr.

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And Jr.

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Jr.

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And Sr.

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All of them.

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All of them, I think.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know that we want to be making blanket statements like that.

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That seems ill advised, given the nature of what we do.

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For most of his life, that same son, Ralph Jr. worked on the family's 1200 acre.

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A tree farm in Gaston.

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That's a lot of acreage.

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Cheers.

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He too was a veteran of the Vietnam War and those that know him well would describe him

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as both intelligent and immensely kind.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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It seemed that both men, Ralph Jr. and Sr. remained humble and decidedly unencumbered when

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it came to the material things in life, despite what would eventually become very impressive

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wealth.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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All them trees.

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All them trees.

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Though as a naive and sometimes socially awkward man, they would later reflect that Ralph Jr.'s

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disposition was in many ways very different from that of his hard-nosed father, Ralph Sr.

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Hard-nosed.

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I know.

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What is that man?

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Vocab word of the week.

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Sadly, Ralph Sr.'s wife and Ralph Jr.'s mother, because that's how that works.

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Helen died in 2001.

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Helen.

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Helen.

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Even though she passed long before the bulk of our story takes place, you know, yet girl

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did some digging and found her name because nobody fucking used it in anything.

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Oh, yeah.

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There's just like, remember that bitch he married?

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Oh my God.

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Did they really?

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Remember that broad?

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He married.

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Oh, Helen.

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You know, the woman who fed him, clothed him, both of these men.

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Women are often undercredited.

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Is that what am I trying to say?

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Unacknowledged.

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Unacknowledged.

277
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I'm undercredited, that's everything.

278
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I legit thought I might have to subscribe to ancestry.

279
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Just, you know, there for a minute to find it because it turns out there's a ton of

280
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source material tied to what happened to Ralph.

281
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And when your Ralph Jr.

282
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It's hard to separate the stuff that's about you versus Ralph Sr.

283
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But I digress.

284
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Still the two men had each other.

285
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And for much of their lives, they continued on as they always had.

286
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Ralph Sr.

287
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Operated the Reigns tree farm, handling the financial affairs associated with their family

288
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business while Ralph Jr.

289
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primarily felt at home performing the physical labor working on the land.

290
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Lumberjacking?

291
00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,280
Lumberjacking it up.

292
00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,280
Yeah.

293
00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720
A lot of plaid.

294
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,280
I just love me, a lumberjack, I can't even.

295
00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,280
I know.

296
00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,280
Yeah.

297
00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,280
Yeah.

298
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,360
She's going to slide off this chair.

299
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,360
You're probably wondering where things started to go off course.

300
00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,960
Yeah, I've been wondering the whole time.

301
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,960
Okay.

302
00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,960
Good.

303
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,960
Good.

304
00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,360
That tracks were right on schedule.

305
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,360
Okay.

306
00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:21,280
And I'm here to tell you while it pains me to do so that it was his interest, Ralph Jr.

307
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It's his interest in something I think that we all know and love that introduced him to

308
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the individual that would lead.

309
00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,520
Ralph Jr.

310
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Is Ray?

311
00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,520
No.

312
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,520
No.

313
00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:44,480
While Ralph Jr. was seemingly about as salt of the earth as they come, he also had an interest

314
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:51,080
in what some might classify as the paranormal or even the occult realm.

315
00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,520
If you're nasty, I love it.

316
00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,520
Yeah.

317
00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,520
She's nasty.

318
00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,520
I am.

319
00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:05,720
In 2004, at age 57, he decided to entertain his curiosity, if only briefly.

320
00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:13,400
When he visited a psychic shop while on a trip to Bend in Southern Oregon, I've ever heard

321
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,560
of a, a, a bend or a psychic shop.

322
00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,560
Yeah.

323
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,560
Uh-huh.

324
00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,560
Both.

325
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,560
Okay.

326
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,720
Spoiler alert.

327
00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,720
This woman.

328
00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,720
Kwa man.

329
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120
Kwa man.

330
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120
She is not a psychic.

331
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,120
Pitch.

332
00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,120
I know.

333
00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,200
But she certainly has a solid nose for a con.

334
00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,200
Hmm.

335
00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640
I mean, maybe that is her psychicness.

336
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,640
That's her.

337
00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,840
That's how her third eye presents.

338
00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,840
No.

339
00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,840
Okay.

340
00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:56,480
The psychic, he shared one of his deepest desires, to settle down and perhaps have a family

341
00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:03,800
of his own, which feels like sort of a, part of that sort of a misnomer because Ralph is

342
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,880
about as settled down as a person can get.

343
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,080
If he settles down anymore, they're going to have to check his pulse.

344
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080
Oh.

345
00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320
He's a pretty calm, super nice guy.

346
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040
So, but the family part.

347
00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,040
Yeah.

348
00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960
No significant other or little, little kiddos.

349
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,960
Nope.

350
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,920
He wanted that 10 a cups card, man.

351
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,920
Hmm.

352
00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,920
It's funny.

353
00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,920
You should say that.

354
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,920
Oh, is it?

355
00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:29,920
Yeah.

356
00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,920
Pops up in American greed.

357
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,920
Does it?

358
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,920
No.

359
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,920
I watched two seconds of it.

360
00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,560
I, well, I thought maybe, I thought maybe you lied.

361
00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560
No.

362
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,560
No.

363
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,200
I, I'm pretty sure it pops up as like the card that's like in,

364
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,000
like the foreground when they're talking about how he wanted a family.

365
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000
Oh, I'll germinate.

366
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,400
They did their research.

367
00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,240
He wanted a family and then I showed, oh, I can have to watch it after this.

368
00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,400
You have to.

369
00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,000
Her name is Rachel Lee.

370
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,400
She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph Reigns

371
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600
Jr.

372
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:19,920
This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman, but nearly a whole famed amily that

373
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,240
participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon.

374
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:32,000
After meeting and quickly befriending Ralph Jr. and also his father Ralph Sr., who was already

375
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,120
in his mid-80s, Rachel Lee gained information about them and their assets.

376
00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,120
What a normal thing to do.

377
00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,120
This talker.

378
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,120
Yeah.

379
00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,120
Did you also follow them on lengthen?

380
00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,120
Fuck off.

381
00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,760
Gradually, she gained their trust.

382
00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:05,000
Ralph trusted Rachel Lee implicitly, even sharing his ideal love match.

383
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:11,880
Then in his late 80s, Ralph Sr. suffered a stroke and was unable to care for himself.

384
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,080
Much less manage his various financial and business affairs.

385
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,280
I feel like this is where it all goes awry.

386
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,120
This is where the dominoes really start to fall.

387
00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:30,840
From there, it didn't take long for Rachel to become Ralph Sr.'s full-time caregiver.

388
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440
She's a she just infiltrated.

389
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440
Holy shit.

390
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,320
Cassie, I can see it in your eyes already.

391
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,560
You want to know what are her qualifications?

392
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,120
They're caring for the infirm or elderly.

393
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,360
I'm so glad that you asked.

394
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,360
Seriously?

395
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,960
Oh my god.

396
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,040
You see, she told Ralph Jr. that she was alone in the world.

397
00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,680
Her parents had already passed, as had her husband.

398
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,260
So she had, of course, shared the story of seeing him through the difficult times as he had

399
00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:08,420
battled cancer.

400
00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:10,280
And that would be a sad story.

401
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,280
Yeah.

402
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,280
If it were true.

403
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,280
I was going to say.

404
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,480
She had been the caregiver for her husband throughout his battle with cancer prior to his

405
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,240
death.

406
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:29,560
In addition to her qualifications as a caregiver, she convinced the reinsmen that she could

407
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,160
help to manage their financial and business affairs.

408
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,160
Oh shit.

409
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,560
If anyone offers to handle your finances, no.

410
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,560
Yeah.

411
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,560
Just no.

412
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,440
Props that's not it.

413
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,600
You know, just they should have a degree.

414
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,600
And what's that called?

415
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,600
What's the numbers degree?

416
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,600
Accounting.

417
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,600
Accounting.

418
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,920
You know, ideally, maybe if there is CPA, that's good.

419
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,920
Also.

420
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240
There's a variety of needs.

421
00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,760
Not victim blaming.

422
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:05,840
I'm saying be aware in the future if someone comes to want to handle your finances.

423
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:13,880
You know, usually people who are qualified to handle your finances, like, like you mentioned,

424
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,000
there's like a degree that they hang on their wall.

425
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,680
They might have a website.

426
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,400
There might be some references.

427
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,400
You can chat.

428
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,400
You usually come to them.

429
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,960
They don't come to you.

430
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,040
Just like no one will sign into your DMs saying that they'll give you a tarot reading or they

431
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800
have psychic advice for you.

432
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,800
No.

433
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,800
Yeah.

434
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:42,960
Unless it's us and then in that case, no, we will never come into your DMs to offer you

435
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,960
a psychic reading.

436
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,960
Yeah.

437
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960
Yeah.

438
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,960
I don't know.

439
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,960
You ask for a tarot reading from us.

440
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,960
Yeah.

441
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,960
Maybe we'll respond.

442
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720
But listen, we don't do that shit for free though.

443
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720
You got to be on Patreon.

444
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,720
Yeah.

445
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,720
I mean, you got it.

446
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,720
Here's the thing.

447
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,720
We are willing to trade you a tarot reading for a story.

448
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,720
Oh, God.

449
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,720
Oh, yeah.

450
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,720
Yeah.

451
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:13,680
Obviously Ralph Senior can't be responsible for any of that stuff anymore in his ill hell.

452
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600
You know, he's not running numbers.

453
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,320
He's not filing important filings.

454
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,320
No.

455
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,320
I hope not.

456
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,680
And Ralph Junior is more of the, you know, live enough and working on the land.

457
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,680
Kind of a guy.

458
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,680
Yeah.

459
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:38,720
You know, around the same time, Rachel Lee moved into the Reigns family home in Gaston

460
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,720
Oregon.

461
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,720
Damn.

462
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,720
Yeah.

463
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520
So that escalated quickly, right?

464
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Yeah.

465
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,520
Okay.

466
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,560
So she's already got her claws in pretty deep.

467
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,560
Yep.

468
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,560
Yeah.

469
00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:19,120
So they already had financial advisors.

470
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,120
Yep.

471
00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:21,120
Sure did.

472
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,120
Okay.

473
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,560
For tax and accounting purposes, he had a representation.

474
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,560
Okay.

475
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,560
Yeah.

476
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,360
So you're having about the reaction that I feel like is appropriate.

477
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,360
All right.

478
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,360
Yeah.

479
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:39,760
Though as his health increasingly deteriorated in the period shortly after his stroke, the firm

480
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:49,000
hired to represent him communicated increasingly with Rachel as well as other members

481
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000
of the Lee family.

482
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000
Hmm.

483
00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:01,400
Eventually, all manner of instruction regarding the estate was conducted exclusively by them.

484
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,000
The Lee family.

485
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,640
Did they get power of attorney?

486
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,160
Like how are they doing this?

487
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,680
A very good question, Cassie.

488
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,680
And you know what?

489
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,680
I'm going to answer it.

490
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,680
Okay.

491
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,080
I'm not sure if I'm about to right now or if that comes later.

492
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080
Okay.

493
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,360
Just, you know, hold on to your butt.

494
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,360
Hmm.

495
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,360
Stuff.

496
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,360
That.

497
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,360
That.

498
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:33,520
Only a couple of years later, sometime in roughly 2006, according to court documents, Rachel

499
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,360
was prepared to test her newfound power.

500
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:43,120
When she convinced Ralph Jr. to purchase a home in Northwest Portland, that would later

501
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,080
be known as the Birken Dean home.

502
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080
Who?

503
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080
Yeah.

504
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Do you want to guess how much the house cost?

505
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,040
$1.6 million.

506
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Oh, actually, that's a little high.

507
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080
Oh, damn it.

508
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,880
I was thinking of today money, maybe.

509
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,880
I know.

510
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,880
2006, though.

511
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,880
Okay.

512
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,880
A million.

513
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880
Unfortunately.

514
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,880
Okay.

515
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,080
Listen, it's too late because we were playing by the prices right, rules.

516
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Eight.

517
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080
And you got to get close without going over.

518
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,080
Eight fifty.

519
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,280
For just shy of $1 million.

520
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:25,560
Rachel would eventually move the ailing Ralph Sr. from his longtime residence in Gaston

521
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:32,280
to this home as his days on this earth continue to dwindle.

522
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Oh, because I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to be in his own home.

523
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Yeah.

524
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,760
No.

525
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,760
I don't think so.

526
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,760
He's like, listen, I've been here.

527
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760
I hang out here all the time.

528
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,000
Like I'm kind of over it.

529
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,760
I need a new view, you know?

530
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Yeah.

531
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,760
It's funny.

532
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,760
You should say that.

533
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,760
Yeah.

534
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760
He is going to have a different view.

535
00:24:51,760 --> 00:25:02,680
But all of this was made possible by the durable power of attorney known as a D P O A that

536
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:10,040
Ralph Sr. had executed in favor of Ralph Jr. in 1997.

537
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,600
So it's been in place for almost a decade at this point, but his son had it.

538
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800
But now they're going to use it.

539
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600
Okay.

540
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:26,280
Since the Lee's controlled Ralph Jr. the power of attorney permitted them to control the assets

541
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,040
of Ralph Sr. via the D P O A.

542
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520
Oh, shit.

543
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,880
At this time there was also a sense of urgency.

544
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:43,280
And it came to executing certain transactions that might have been viewed as beneficial to

545
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,480
the Reigns family in terms of tax planning for Ralph Sr. estate.

546
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,400
But just Rachel say to herself, slow your roll.

547
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,880
You've just manipulated someone into buying a nearly million dollar home for you and your

548
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,560
family to live in.

549
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,160
Let's call it a day on the financial front.

550
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,880
I don't think those people think like that.

551
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Yeah.

552
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,880
And you would be correct.

553
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,640
While that alone would still be a pretty wild story, I'm not sure we'd be talking about

554
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,160
it today if that were the case.

555
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800
Because of course it's going to get so much worse.

556
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600
I feel so bad for them already.

557
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,600
I know.

558
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,600
Yeah.

559
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Yep.

560
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,400
A whole million dollars essentially that they've been conned out of.

561
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,120
That's like all the trees they planted.

562
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:46,560
By 2008, the firm was consulted on quote, valuing the Raines tree farm LLC units and the potential

563
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:54,320
transfer of certain of those units from Ralph Sr. to Ralph Jr. in order to utilize Ralph

564
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Sr.'s gift tax exclusion.

565
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,120
Are you going to tell us what that is?

566
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,520
Because I have no idea.

567
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:27,160
So this is something that people who have enough money to be worried about the tax implications

568
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,360
of their estate.

569
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,760
Something that they do to basically, "Hey, I want to give you this.

570
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040
I don't want you to have to pay taxes on it though.

571
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,040
That's so stupid.

572
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,040
That's silly.

573
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040
Be socialist.

574
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,000
You know, I just want to give you money."

575
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Is that a thing?

576
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,920
Cassie, it's so a thing they've made an exclusion for it.

577
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,920
It's written into our tax.

578
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,880
How come when you win a bunch of money, then it's a gift why do you have to pay fucking

579
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,200
taxes on it?

580
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,840
That's because you're a peon and you don't have an estate.

581
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,040
According to the episode of American Greed covering the case, at the time, the Reigns

582
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:19,880
family's timber properties alone were valued at $11 million.

583
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,880
Damn!

584
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,160
We're talking 2008 dollars.

585
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,160
There was plenty of money to be made from the Raines family and Ralph's estate.

586
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,080
For instance, within the files kept by the firm was a record of Ralph's seniors' home

587
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480
care expenses for 2007.

588
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Oh my God, are they outrageous?

589
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Included was a calculation or tally sheet referencing the name Rachel, presumably the

590
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800
payee, or the person to whom the amount was owed.

591
00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:05,200
It was a staggering sum, a total of $170,000 for home care.

592
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160
Holy shit, I'm in the wrong line of business.

593
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640
$170,000 for home care, all told.

594
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,720
And that was for 2007.

595
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Just one year, one year.

596
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Oh my God.

597
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360
But you know what?

598
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080
I know this firsthand.

599
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,080
Okay.

600
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,280
I've had elder relatives that have lived in assisted living and memory care facilities.

601
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720
It's quite expensive.

602
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000
So you think that's money well spent.

603
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920
That's why they worked hard their whole lives.

604
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,760
They were humble and they saved and they did all the right things.

605
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Right?

606
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Right.

607
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,560
Theoretically.

608
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,600
Now she's picking up and I'm putting down.

609
00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:04,440
Ralph Senior reportedly lived in a bed kept in a hallway in the massive Burkendine home.

610
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,480
Even Harry Potter had a closet under the stairs at least.

611
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,240
A hallway?

612
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880
He was in the hallway.

613
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,000
Oh, he literally did not have a bedroom.

614
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840
For $170,000 a year.

615
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Oh, and the fact that also it's his money that bought the home that they're all living in.

616
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Wow.

617
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Friends and family struggle to reach either of the Raines men.

618
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:42,040
In some cases, it's believed that messages were being erased unnoticed.

619
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040
I don't know who would do such a thing.

620
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Yeah, who would do that?

621
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:54,200
I have never had my own personal messages erased by someone who lived in my own home.

622
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,800
The fuck?

623
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Never happened to me.

624
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,480
Let's fuck up.

625
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Plus, allegedly.

626
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,400
According to a neighbor and friend of the Raines family from back in the gas tin area,

627
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Ralph Senior was often dirty.

628
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Clearly not having been bathed recently, wearing unwashed clothes.

629
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,520
I'd like to think that if someone is paying nearly 15 grand a month for home care, the

630
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,640
basic hygiene might be one of the line items included in the luxurious package.

631
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640
You would think.

632
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:42,440
However, ultimately, it seemed that the Lee family and Rachel in particular had different

633
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920
priorities.

634
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,680
She sold the Birken Dean home to a third party and then stole the proceeds from the sale.

635
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Sounds about right at this point.

636
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:05,480
In 2009, Ralph Jr. met Mary Marx, who purported to be an English woman in need of a green card

637
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
to avoid deportation.

638
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,000
Oh, how did they meet?

639
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Funny story.

640
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,880
I think I'm psychic.

641
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Or you can actually just read the literal writing on what?

642
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,720
Entering the room suddenly is a tall, slender, blonde woman from Great Britain.

643
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Mary Marx.

644
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Ellot!

645
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Ello poppet!

646
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Who also seems to have a paranormal gift?

647
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320
What more could you want in a woman?

648
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,040
She told Ralph Jr. that she lived in California and worked in accounting.

649
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Okay, another accountant.

650
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,760
All right.

651
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Yeah.

652
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,920
Lots of number wizards over here.

653
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240
She proposes to him quickly.

654
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Something that she loves, the land, his family has cultivated and can help him manage the business.

655
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Proposes like to get married?

656
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040
She proposed.

657
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Yep.

658
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Okay.

659
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Never trust a woman who proposed.

660
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040
No, I'm just kidding.

661
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,040
I'm just kidding.

662
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
I was like, wow, she's going to have to take that back.

663
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,560
I don't believe in gender roles, but this is like, yeah.

664
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,920
The part that's suspicious is that it's all a ploy, right?

665
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,080
It's meant to be like, oh, this is so flattering because here's this older man and this younger

666
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,440
attractive foreign woman who fits the bill of everything he wants.

667
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,080
That never happens.

668
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,120
And she defies gender roles and she proposes to him.

669
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,120
And you know what?

670
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,800
It's not about the money.

671
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,200
She loves the land.

672
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Yeah.

673
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
She hugs trees.

674
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Okay.

675
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,760
She loves them.

676
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,640
Loves the fuck out of those trees.

677
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,480
It's offensive to me because I literally hug and love trees.

678
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560
I've seen her do it.

679
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:20,480
Despite her outward appearance, Mary Marks was not a natural blonde.

680
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,000
But perhaps more shockingly, she was also not quite a woman.

681
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Oh!

682
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
English or otherwise.

683
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Okay.

684
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520
This isn't going where you think it is.

685
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,480
You see, Mary Marks was actually Rachel's daughter, Porche.

686
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,440
Who was reportedly underage when she first met Ralph Jr.

687
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520
Oh!

688
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,520
That's right.

689
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,920
This woman slapped an incredibly cheap looking blonde wig on her own daughter who was not

690
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,560
yet 18 and goaded her into a shame child-bride wedding scenario.

691
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880
That's so gross.

692
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040
It's pretty icky.

693
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,440
The most curious sources state that she was anywhere between 17 and 20, but I think in

694
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,840
more aspects than one, it can take some time for the truth to shake loose from a rotten family

695
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,320
tree.

696
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:24,600
In any case, this is a mother who literally put a wig on her daughter and goaded her into

697
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,000
a shame child-bride wedding scenario with Ralph who was in his 60s.

698
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Just to sum it up.

699
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
No.

700
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
No.

701
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000
No all the way around.

702
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000
No.

703
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000
No.

704
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,760
Porsche spoke with a fake English accent and wore glasses along with a wig.

705
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,760
Just like Harry Potter.

706
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,760
Harry Potter wore a wig?

707
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,760
What?

708
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,760
Glasses.

709
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760
Yeah.

710
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,760
Glasses.

711
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,760
Scandal.

712
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,760
Scandal.

713
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Here's perhaps the worst part.

714
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:07,240
It's all fucking terrible, but the name needed to seem legit to work how they intended within

715
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,720
the confines of this particular gift.

716
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:16,640
Mary Marks is a real name of an actual person.

717
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,880
They didn't have to look that hard for an alias to use though because Mary Marks is actually

718
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Rachel Lee's mother.

719
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Okay.

720
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,400
It's so gross.

721
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Just keep it in the family.

722
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Yeah.

723
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:37,280
The Lee's family staged a wedding ceremony for Ralph Jr. and the fictitious Mary Marks,

724
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,720
but the couple in truth was never married.

725
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,080
So it was a fake wedding.

726
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640
So they like actually met.

727
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,400
I don't know why this whole time I'm thinking it's like online because how how how how how

728
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,440
I it's there's so much to unpack here.

729
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,360
All of it is so bizarre and really gross.

730
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,520
Are you going to show us the spirit Halloween wig?

731
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520
You got to go to American greed for that.

732
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,160
I'm like, they're more worried about the the name sounding real than the wig looking real.

733
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,160
Uh huh.

734
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Oh my god.

735
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,080
And it's not just a wig.

736
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920
It's like a hat with a wig attached to it.

737
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,880
It's so bad.

738
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,600
No marriage certificate even exists because though Ralph continued wearing his ring for a

739
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:36,400
time after being told the truth by authorities, even the marriage or perhaps especially the

740
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,720
marriage was part of the con.

741
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,160
No, he just wanted it so bad.

742
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,360
While the marriage may have been completely fake, court documents revealed that beginning

743
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520
in 2009.

744
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Three marks began receiving a very real paycheck from the Raines tree farm LLC supposedly for

745
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520
bookkeeping work.

746
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Now there's one more thing that Ralph Jr. had always wanted from life, particularly as

747
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,800
he began to grow older and that was to have a family.

748
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,800
He's already halfway there with a beautiful English woman wife.

749
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,720
Yeah.

750
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:25,520
But very quickly after their wedding, Ralph is given what he thinks is truly fantastic news.

751
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Marymarks, aka Porsche is now pregnant.

752
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,240
I don't I don't want to know.

753
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,240
You want to know.

754
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,240
Okay.

755
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,200
But of course, like every other aspect of this story, it's not quite what it seems because

756
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,840
this is definitely not Ralph's biological child.

757
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:49,120
They trick him into thinking he has fathered a child through in vitro fertilization.

758
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,320
Oh, thank God.

759
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Yeah.

760
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,320
He's like, please, no.

761
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,320
Yeah.

762
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320
No, no.

763
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,320
No, no.

764
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320
And his patient.

765
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,320
Yeah.

766
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,320
Oh.

767
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Apparently, though it wasn't Ralph's baby, the pregnancy had been real.

768
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,680
But the baby was taken by the father shortly after birth, which is probably the best thing

769
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960
that could have ever happened to that kid.

770
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,760
Seriously, wow.

771
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:28,800
Luckily, another one of Rachel's daughters also gave birth around the same time.

772
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Which is great.

773
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,200
But it's not great news because Rachel is psyched to be a grandma.

774
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,080
But because now she has an infant that she can borrow to use as a stand-in.

775
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,840
This baby is then introduced as Ralph's son, Georgio Armani.

776
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,320
But that's his name.

777
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880
Is that his real name or is that the name she made up?

778
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040
I think that's his real name.

779
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,080
Georgio Armani?

780
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000
That's already taken.

781
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000
There can only be one.

782
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960
We can't dwell here, OK?

783
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,240
Because there's so much more.

784
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,920
According to additional court documents, copies of the general ledger and profit and loss

785
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:26,360
statement for the Ralph Raines senior household provided to the firm to account for 2009 showed

786
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,880
how rampant the financial abuse had become.

787
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,440
The P&L statement, so profit and loss, if you're nice, stay.

788
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Which is my favorite phrase.

789
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120
I can tell.

790
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Yeah.

791
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:48,360
The P&L statement shows that approximately $1.2 million was deposited into an account to

792
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,720
be used for Ralph seniors' household expenses in 2010.

793
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,360
Damn, I need some household expenses like that.

794
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Right.

795
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Said funds were made available after the lease liquidated investments in Ralph seniors

796
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:12,520
UBS account, which UBS is a place where a lot of people have like retirement and other

797
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,720
investment accounts.

798
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,000
Oh, not where your son packages.

799
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
No, OK.

800
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,720
UB is the ball best.

801
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:30,760
By the end of that calendar year, only $200,000 of the $1.2 million originally deposited remained.

802
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,440
I know I was going to need the UBS second to.

803
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Can you spend $1 million?

804
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,040
How?

805
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400
It's a really good question.

806
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,040
Like did they actually spend on stuff or did they?

807
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Oh, they spent it on stuff.

808
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640
They didn't hide it in like off-shore accounts.

809
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,240
Oh, no, they spent it on stuff.

810
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,240
Oh my god.

811
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,640
Cassie, we are going to get to the stuff.

812
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Oh my god.

813
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,640
OK.

814
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,760
I hope they bought a lot of really cool tarot decks.

815
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,760
That's all I'm going to say.

816
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,400
I don't think so.

817
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Approximately $375,000 was used to pay taxes.

818
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Responsible.

819
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Oh, that's good.

820
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,600
OK, no tax fraud here.

821
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Which were only incurred in large part due to the significant capital gains incurred as

822
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,240
the result of the lease liquidation of investments.

823
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,240
OK.

824
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,640
So they took the money out and then it was taxed.

825
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120
So, cause and effect.

826
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,160
So it wasn't the gifted kind of money.

827
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,160
OK.

828
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,960
It was just shy of half of the total that was documented to have specifically supported

829
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480
the lavish lifestyle.

830
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,240
The Lee family was rapidly becoming accustomed to.

831
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,280
Entries in the ledger included payment for things like salon visits, luxury cars, and

832
00:42:52,280 --> 00:43:01,720
even a personal designer, all of which legal filings indicated were and I quote, "completely

833
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:09,480
inconsistent with the expenses of an incapacitated man needing a full-time caregiver."

834
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Yeah, which I can say I wholeheartedly agree is correct.

835
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,760
Like yeah, no, duh, you think?

836
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800
Yeah, he doesn't need an interior designer.

837
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,800
I love, not really.

838
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Or trips to the salon.

839
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,640
He really needs a bath.

840
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Oh, it's so sad.

841
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,320
This next part won't make you feel better then.

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Then in February of 2011 Ralph Senior died at 91 years old.

843
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,920
But Junior's wife isn't present at the funeral.

844
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920
Where is she?

845
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920
Good question.

846
00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:02,120
Once later Ralph Junior has his wife and his sons' names added to his parents' gravestones.

847
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,120
No.

848
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,400
Oh no.

849
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,440
A key element of the Lee's fraudulent scheme moving forward from this time was to tell

850
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,880
Ralph Junior that he had to sell the reigns tree farm in order to pay taxes.

851
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Make many other statements made by the Lee family.

852
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,240
Survey says that was a lie.

853
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,400
That doesn't sound right at all.

854
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,400
No.

855
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,960
In addition to lying about their being outstanding taxes from the probate process, Mary

856
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,760
Marks fakes a second in vitro pregnancy.

857
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Jesus woman.

858
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,240
Their further motivate Ralph to create more liquid cash in roughly 2011 according to American

859
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,240
greed.

860
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:08,040
He believed this second pregnancy would be a daughter and hoped to name her Gloria.

861
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:17,480
But months later, Mary fakes a miscarriage before flying home to England and faking her death.

862
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,880
This bitch is so fucked.

863
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Faking things that real people actually go through.

864
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Yes.

865
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600
Including in vitro, which isn't fucking easy.

866
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,400
No.

867
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:39,920
So fake, Georgio, our money is now a fake orphan.

868
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Where does he think the kid went?

869
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,920
Kid didn't go anywhere.

870
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,040
Like, oh, so the kid is still with him.

871
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,360
Georgio is okay.

872
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:57,480
The Lee's were able to keep Ralph Jr. from receiving the correct information because they

873
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,880
controlled all contact with the firm at this stage.

874
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480
I mean, they already had for quite some time.

875
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Yeah.

876
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,480
Of course.

877
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,320
So, it's not difficult to see how the Lee's were able to orchestrate the sale of the reigns

878
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960
tree farm.

879
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Which was contrary to Ralph Jr.'s plan to continue farming for many years in a series of sales

880
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:30,240
in 2011 and 2012 for over $12 million.

881
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:38,000
And steal the bulk of the proceeds just as had been done with the Burk and Dean home.

882
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Record show that by mid 2011, the firm had been informed by Rachel Lee that she was in the

883
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:51,040
process of attempting to sell the pumpkin Ridge tract of the reigns tree farm.

884
00:46:51,040 --> 00:47:00,560
The pumpkin Ridge tract was sold on July 27, 2011 for just over a million dollars.

885
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,480
The mills going around holy shit.

886
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:13,120
The Gales Creek tract was sold on September 23, 2011 for just shy of 1.5 million.

887
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,320
While Lee's thereafter began to drain the accounts of the proceeds of these sales.

888
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,320
Naturally.

889
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,320
Yeah.

890
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,320
Yeah.

891
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,320
As one does.

892
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,320
Holy shit.

893
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,720
I feel so bad for this guy.

894
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,720
And he thinks he just lost his wife.

895
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720
And his baby.

896
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,720
Yeah.

897
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,160
And he's in more like deep morning, I'm sure.

898
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,040
When the firm was provided an inventory of estate assets, the inventory showed that the

899
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000
only remaining worthy.

900
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560
And this is prior to the sale of the Burk and Dean property.

901
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,880
Obviously.

902
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880
Number one, the Burk and Dean property.

903
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:01,000
Number two, Ralph seniors interest in the Raines tree farm LLC.

904
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Number three, approximately $115,000 from the UBS account.

905
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:13,560
Number four, cash and miscellaneous items worth around $2,000.

906
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:20,400
Along with the estate inventory, the firm was provided a copy of the February 2011

907
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,320
statement for Ralph seniors UBS account.

908
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Which contained what court documents describe as a graphic depiction of the depletion of

909
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,840
the account.

910
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:49,320
From a value of over $7 million in 2006 down to $115,000 at the time of Ralph senior's death.

911
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:56,400
The firm reportedly did nothing to express concern about the massive depletion in assets

912
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:03,640
or inquire how it was possible for a very wealthy man, such as Ralph senior, to die without

913
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:11,840
significant additional cash, investment accounts, and other property, and to have dissipated the

914
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,160
liquid assets that should have been available to pay estate taxes.

915
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Wow.

916
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Yeah, I feel like this firm handles a lot of people's finances, right?

917
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,800
Like, they should know what's normal and what's not normal.

918
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760
There's a lot of red flags.

919
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760
Yeah.

920
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,760
A lot.

921
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Instead, the firm simply proceeded to pair the tax.

922
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,240
They just prepared the tax return as if this was business as usual and continued to communicate

923
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,640
with Rachel Lee.

924
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,600
Like, do they--are they allowed to say anything, you know?

925
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,320
Oh, absolutely.

926
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,320
They're financial advisors.

927
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,720
They say the tax preparers.

928
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,480
I mean, this is--that is literally their job.

929
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,400
Wow.

930
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,460
All of the aforementioned is completely at odds with the fact that the same firm had been

931
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:16,080
consulted for a number of years regarding the Reigns family's intent to maximize the

932
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,000
natural resource credit for the estate.

933
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:27,680
And they even revisited this issue in connection with the preparation of the estate tax returns.

934
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,340
The firm was fully aware that the sale of the tree farm parcels was at odds with the Raines

935
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:39,800
family's long-time plan to maximize the natural resource credit.

936
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,960
And in fact, the sales had the effect of decreasing the credit to which the estate was entitled.

937
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,840
So we're going against long-standing plans.

938
00:50:50,840 --> 00:51:00,760
We're talking about plans intended for a--for generational wealth, generational assets that

939
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:07,120
aren't necessarily strictly speaking cold-hard cash, but unreal.

940
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,080
Wow.

941
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:16,060
Further, in connection with analyzing issues related to estate taxes, the firm was aware of Ralph

942
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:22,120
Jr.'s plan to continue tree farming for many years, given the recently in sales and those

943
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,880
that would be transacted within just months, surely this should have been of concern.

944
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:29,880
Yeah.

945
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,340
He was only in his 60s, right?

946
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:37,420
Like he--any worked physically his whole life, so I'm sure he had in shape.

947
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:39,620
He could still do that for a product.

948
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:40,620
Right.

949
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:43,380
Even if he's not physically doing it?

950
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:44,380
Yeah.

951
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:47,060
And the firm could still be maintained by others.

952
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060
Because it wasn't just him.

953
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060
I'm just--yeah.

954
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,660
He's just out there shopping down trees.

955
00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:51,660
No, that's right.

956
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:52,900
I probably had a ton of employees.

957
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:57,460
Out there lumberjacken, solar, holy shit, and all those people affected.

958
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:59,500
Oh my god.

959
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:06,900
In January 2012, the wholesale theft continued as the lease orchestrated the sale of a portion

960
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:12,220
of the cherry grove tract of the tree farm for just over a million dollars.

961
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:16,540
And therefore began to drain the accounts of these funds as well.

962
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:21,660
They're just finding all the little places to take.

963
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:22,660
Yeah.

964
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:25,540
Well, every little crumb, million dollar crumbs.

965
00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:26,540
Mm-hmm.

966
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:28,540
Yeah, million dollar crumbs.

967
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:34,380
Just two months later, in March of 2012, the firm received a copy of the general ledger

968
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:39,780
for the Raines Senior Household 4 2011.

969
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:45,540
Despite the fact that Ralph Senior had died in February, the ledger shows that the excessive

970
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:52,700
spending of his assets continued regardless of his having passed.

971
00:52:52,700 --> 00:53:01,340
Of the approximately 16 pages of entries of expenditures for Ralph Senior's household,

972
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:08,900
roughly 14 of the pages show expenditures incurred purportedly by his household after his

973
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:09,900
death.

974
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,140
Is his ghost needing shit?

975
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:15,500
Like, how do you explain that?

976
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:19,180
Like as a ghost, I would get my nails did.

977
00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:20,380
Yeah.

978
00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:27,140
These were for things that I can guarantee you were not the expenses of a 91 year old man

979
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,740
or his grieving family.

980
00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:35,020
In July 2012, Ralph Junior turned 65.

981
00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:41,980
So in July of 2012, the lease orchestrated the sale of substantially all of the remaining

982
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:46,980
tree farm for just shy of nine million dollars.

983
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:53,540
And therefore began draining the accounts of proceeds of that sale as well.

984
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:59,020
The following month, the firm was aware of all of the tree farm sales and as a result,

985
00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:07,020
repaired additional estate tax returns showing additional taxes owed as a result of the sales

986
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:14,420
because they didn't maximize the natural resource credits so then they owed money.

987
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:22,300
So when they did the thing that flew in the face of the estate's long term plan for the

988
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:28,980
farm and they sold parcels, it didn't work out.

989
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:35,140
In or around August of 2012 is when Rachel Lee actually orchestrated the sale of the Burk

990
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:36,140
and Dean home.

991
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,460
I know we've talked about this quite a bit at this point.

992
00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:46,020
Rachel Lee signed the transaction documents purportedly as the "interny" in fact, that's

993
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:49,180
that whole power of attorney thing.

994
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:58,100
I wasn't going to leave this in, but it grabbed my attention.

995
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:06,700
The firm received a copy of an escrow instruction letter and they had to attach a voided check.

996
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:13,040
And that check was for the account where they were supposed to be depositing the money

997
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,780
from that sale.

998
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,780
So it's a voided check.

999
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:19,380
It was a Hello Kitty check.

1000
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:21,420
No way.

1001
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,020
Really?

1002
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:28,340
This bitch ruined everything.

1003
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:29,740
Even Hello Kitty.

1004
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:30,740
Wow.

1005
00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:35,020
I should have brought my little Hello Kitty keychain.

1006
00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:37,180
I didn't know.

1007
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:42,060
I didn't remember.

1008
00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:46,940
I was just at my storage the other day and I saw it and I almost grabbed it.

1009
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:48,740
It's my Hello Kitty man.

1010
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:50,380
I was like, I don't need that right now.

1011
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:51,380
I did.

1012
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:54,060
I'm it.

1013
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:55,060
Wow.

1014
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,060
That's crazy.

1015
00:55:56,060 --> 00:56:00,220
Also, I don't want checks, but now I kind of do.

1016
00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:01,220
Yeah.

1017
00:56:01,220 --> 00:56:02,220
Yeah.

1018
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:09,220
Now that you know that you can have Hello Kitty checks, she's like, I need a checkbook.

1019
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:10,220
Adulting, right?

1020
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:11,220
Yeah.

1021
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:17,660
In November of 2012, the firm was informed that the estate was being audited.

1022
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:18,660
Good.

1023
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:22,180
It needed it, obviously.

1024
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:23,180
Yeah.

1025
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:24,180
I mean, yeah.

1026
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,500
Well, too late.

1027
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:32,660
So this was well prior to their preparation of the 2012 tax returns for the estate, which

1028
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:40,980
showed nearly $700,000 owed in taxes in connection with income from the sales of the

1029
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,980
Raines tree farm.

1030
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:48,820
Despite the fact that the lease were in the process of stealing the purported proceeds

1031
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:51,980
from the sales, because that's kind of their thing.

1032
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:52,980
Yeah.

1033
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:53,980
Yeah.

1034
00:56:53,980 --> 00:57:00,180
In December of 2013, Rachel emailed the firm inquiring about the amount of inheritance

1035
00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:02,940
taxes still owed.

1036
00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:08,660
The firm emailed Rachel indicating that the amount still remaining to be paid was approximately

1037
00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:12,060
$350,000.

1038
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:18,580
At which point, this bitch had the audacity to ask, oh, wow.

1039
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:23,140
Did you find out if we can give them the rest of the tree farm to pay off?

1040
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,140
Huh?

1041
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,620
Let me explain.

1042
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:35,740
In doing so, Rachel Lee was suggesting the possibility of transferring the small remaining

1043
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:46,060
parcel of the Reigns tree farm on which Ralph Jr.'s modest home was located to pay the taxes.

1044
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:47,060
No.

1045
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:52,700
It's all he has left and it's where he lives.

1046
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,060
And she's just like, can you take that?

1047
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,060
Just take that.

1048
00:57:56,060 --> 00:57:57,060
Come on.

1049
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:58,060
To pay off my fraud.

1050
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:59,060
Thank you.

1051
00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:00,060
Thank you.

1052
00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:01,060
Here's my hello.

1053
00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:10,200
The firm responded to her email on the same day to say, most likely the IRS will review

1054
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,620
Jr.'s personal assets.

1055
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:19,020
And if there are adequate liquid assets to satisfy the obligation, they will not accept

1056
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,860
non-liquid assets.

1057
00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:28,580
So as long as there was any cash remaining that could be collected, that's their preference.

1058
00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:33,540
Apparently, they don't want to just take a tree farm and then have to sell it.

1059
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,220
That makes no fucking sense.

1060
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:40,900
I mean, I know I think when they're desperate, they take all the assets.

1061
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:41,900
Oh, yeah.

1062
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,060
If that's all he has, they would take it.

1063
00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:49,740
But he still has enough money that they would try to go after that first.

1064
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:55,980
They would try to go after other types of assets before that.

1065
00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:02,140
There's absolutely zero indication that the firm raised questions with Rachel Lee,

1066
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:08,260
let alone Ralph Jr. as to why they would need to sell the small remaining portion of the

1067
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:09,260
tree farm.

1068
00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:19,300
Remember, this is where his whole ass tiny house is located currently in order to pay $350,000

1069
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,900
in inheritance taxes.

1070
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:31,340
And he had just sold nearly the entire family tree farm for over $12 million in cash.

1071
00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:37,180
Yeah, does she not just have that change in her car?

1072
00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:41,620
Nor did they question what happened to the UBS account that had contained as much as

1073
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:45,220
7 million in liquid assets.

1074
00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:48,220
Portland Police Detective Liz Crothers.

1075
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:53,140
Oooo Crothers!

1076
00:59:53,140 --> 01:00:03,780
Listen, between her and another guy and the IRS, they're like, no, this shall not stand

1077
01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:05,460
good.

1078
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:14,660
She noticed the expensive vehicles frequently parked at the Canby psychic property.

1079
01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:22,380
From which Rachel continued to run her quote, legitimate business.

1080
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:26,140
But quickly, it becomes clear that something is up.

1081
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:31,900
Because that's a few too many fancy cars.

1082
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:39,140
Marlene Olson, investigator with the Oregon Department of Justice, that had also conveniently

1083
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:46,900
worked in logging and also knows the rain's family personally.

1084
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:47,900
Wow.

1085
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,620
Oh, she steps in.

1086
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,620
Okay.

1087
01:00:52,620 --> 01:01:02,380
So Marlene Olson and Liz Crothers attended the same seminar in January 2014 on elder fraud

1088
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:09,700
along with Steve Floyd, who is a detective with Canby PD.

1089
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:10,700
Wow.

1090
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:11,700
Thank God for that.

1091
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:12,700
Wait, what was it?

1092
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:13,700
The seminar.

1093
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:14,700
Yeah.

1094
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:15,700
Oh, my gosh.

1095
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:21,900
When Marlene went to visit the Raines family tree farm and saw the clear cutting for herself,

1096
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,700
she knew something was seriously wrong.

1097
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:31,300
Steve Floyd subpoenaed financial records while the IRS criminal investigation division

1098
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:34,100
also began to take a look at the books.

1099
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:43,140
Shortly after, the Canby detectives visit Ralph Jr.'s home in March of 2014, and then the

1100
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:48,740
Canby psychic property is also searched.

1101
01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:52,820
Seasures of Rachel Lee's assets begin.

1102
01:01:52,820 --> 01:02:04,260
They discover Rolexes, a blank signed check, and the fucking blonde hat wig.

1103
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:12,260
You know, with all this money, the fucking blonde hat wig used to dop this poor man.

1104
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:13,260
Oh, my God.

1105
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:17,300
I think I'm splurred a little on something a little nicer.

1106
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,900
Nope.

1107
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,620
And they still had it too.

1108
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:22,260
That's, oh, God.

1109
01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:24,860
Thank you for the next old person.

1110
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:25,860
They're going to prod.

1111
01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:28,020
Who knows what they were cooking up?

1112
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,740
Jesus.

1113
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:37,580
In April of 2014, the IRS provided the firm its recommendations resulting from the audit

1114
01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:45,180
confirmed that certain penalties would be assessed and indicated that approximately $250,000

1115
01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:48,420
was still owed to the IRS.

1116
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:57,260
By the time he's confronted with the latest evidence in May, Ralph's, he's mad.

1117
01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:58,260
He's mad.

1118
01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:59,260
Good.

1119
01:02:59,260 --> 01:03:01,500
And defending Rachel.

1120
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,500
Oh, shit.

1121
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,500
It mattered the wrong people.

1122
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,260
No, Ralphie.

1123
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:07,980
I know.

1124
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,220
Ralphie, June.

1125
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:12,500
He's not ready to come out the other side yet.

1126
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:20,500
Well, I mean, and if you admit that all of that happened to you, that's like, oh, my God,

1127
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,700
such a mental fuck.

1128
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:22,700
Mm-hmm.

1129
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:25,900
Because you're like a strong man.

1130
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:26,900
Mm-hmm.

1131
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:31,420
He doesn't realize yet.

1132
01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:37,220
Rachel Lee directed him to write letters defending her actions.

1133
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:38,460
And he did.

1134
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:40,620
He wrote several.

1135
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:45,740
An American greed shared the text included.

1136
01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:49,860
In the one that they finally decided was good enough to send.

1137
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:56,860
A short while later, Ralph is back in bend with Portia and Rachel, the place where he first

1138
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,020
met Rachel.

1139
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:04,740
At the time of this trip toward the desert, though he was completely unaware, Ralph was

1140
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:09,460
down to just $200,000 left to his name.

1141
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:16,100
Thankfully, the authorities were all too aware of the devious financial deeds of the Lee family

1142
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:19,580
and moved to arrest the two women.

1143
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:27,180
They were arrested at the shop in Bend, likely in just the nick of time, as authorities

1144
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:35,740
believe that the purpose of this trip was finally getting rid of Ralph Jr. for good.

1145
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:36,740
No.

1146
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:44,500
They were going to kill him allegedly, allegedly, and leave him in the desert allegedly.

1147
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:45,500
What the fuck?

1148
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,500
Wow.

1149
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:52,180
I mean, I'm not surprised, but still just like hearing you say it.

1150
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,620
It's awful.

1151
01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:56,980
He wrote letters defending you.

1152
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,980
He did.

1153
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,980
Like...

1154
01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:04,980
The criminal indictment against the Lee's was filed approximately one month after the report

1155
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:10,660
was put forth by the IRS on May 8, 2014.

1156
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:14,860
It's then that the Lee's were arrested in Bend, Oregon.

1157
01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:19,400
According to court documents, at the time of their arrest, the Lee's had been keeping

1158
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:27,380
Ralph Jr. in a converted garage behind their bend psychic shop.

1159
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:28,780
Keeping him there?

1160
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:32,940
That might've just got really high pitch.

1161
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:38,420
That's the appropriate response.

1162
01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:45,980
Ralph Jr. was weak and confused when the authorities located him on the property.

1163
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:52,660
As a result of his inability to manage his own affairs, in June of 2014, the Washington

1164
01:05:52,660 --> 01:06:01,380
County Court entered a stipulated, limited judgment appointing conservator for an adult,

1165
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:09,980
or an indefinite period of time, which that judgment appointed a conservator for Ralph

1166
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:11,380
Jr.

1167
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:14,980
They brit need him, but oh my god.

1168
01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:18,860
But he really needed it.

1169
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,900
This is the opposite of what happened to Britney.

1170
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:27,060
This is someone who very deeply needed this assistance.

1171
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:32,380
Yeah, by someone not them.

1172
01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:38,440
There are certain aspects of this case that this could have just been like four whole-ass

1173
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,940
episodes.

1174
01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:45,580
There's a name I'm about to drop that you're going to go, "Huh?

1175
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:55,700
This is Rachel Lee's boyfriend husband, sometimes depending on who she was talking to brother.

1176
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,380
Isn't her brother?

1177
01:06:58,380 --> 01:07:00,380
Blancy.

1178
01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,380
Blancy.

1179
01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:02,380
Blancy.

1180
01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:03,380
Blancy.

1181
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,380
That's the first name.

1182
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:05,380
Just one name.

1183
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:07,380
Just like Cher and Madonna.

1184
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:08,380
Blancy.

1185
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:09,380
Blancy.

1186
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:12,620
Yeah, Blancy had also worked for the Reigns family.

1187
01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:19,900
There's a number of instances where he comes up in the various ways that he helped perpetrate

1188
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:23,540
this broad.

1189
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,940
He did some bad stuff for sure.

1190
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:28,980
We are not in disagreement about that.

1191
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:32,820
I just didn't think he was that interesting of a character overall.

1192
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:34,660
My brother has been blancy.

1193
01:07:34,660 --> 01:07:36,660
That's interesting to me.

1194
01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:37,860
I know.

1195
01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:38,860
I know.

1196
01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:39,860
Is he a real person?

1197
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:40,860
Yes.

1198
01:07:40,860 --> 01:07:41,860
Okay.

1199
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:49,020
To think that he was the least interesting character as the brother husband.

1200
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:50,020
Wow.

1201
01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:51,020
Okay.

1202
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:52,020
Okay.

1203
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:53,020
Okay.

1204
01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:59,620
Blancy pled guilty and helped the feds track the siphoned funds.

1205
01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:02,820
So he was a...

1206
01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:05,220
So we still have to talk about him.

1207
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:06,220
Yeah.

1208
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:07,220
Yeah.

1209
01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:08,220
Snitch Blancy.

1210
01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:09,780
Snitch Blancy.

1211
01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:15,700
For the charges of money laundering as well as other tax-related charges, he receives

1212
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,700
a sentence of, "Kassie, do you want to guess?

1213
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:20,700
Do you want to guess?

1214
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,660
Do you want to guess how long he got?"

1215
01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:24,020
I'm not good at this.

1216
01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:25,020
I don't know.

1217
01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:26,020
10 years.

1218
01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:29,060
It was probably like 10 months.

1219
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:30,860
Oh, sweet girl.

1220
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:31,860
I know.

1221
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:32,860
I'm literally not good at this.

1222
01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:33,860
Terrific.

1223
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:34,860
No, I know.

1224
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:38,700
I'm never good at this either, but this is...

1225
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:40,300
It's somewhere between those two numbers.

1226
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:46,580
I'm like, he either got way too little or way too much and took the fall.

1227
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:50,220
He receives a sentence of two years.

1228
01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:52,220
I was totally going to say too.

1229
01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:53,220
Really?

1230
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,220
Yeah.

1231
01:08:54,220 --> 01:09:01,700
Rachel pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, and failure

1232
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,100
to pay income taxes.

1233
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:14,140
And she gets eight years and four months, which seems like kind of a lot of time seeing

1234
01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:17,980
as she didn't actually kill anyone.

1235
01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:19,780
But I can't help.

1236
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:28,340
There's a little bit of a sticking point for me because it's also noticeably less time

1237
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:32,220
than the duration of her financial long con.

1238
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:33,220
Yeah.

1239
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:37,300
And she ruined two people's lives, like completely ruined them.

1240
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:39,260
She ruined a lot of lives.

1241
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:41,260
Probably more, but like...

1242
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:42,260
Yeah.

1243
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:46,540
But two people distinctly stick out.

1244
01:09:46,540 --> 01:09:49,380
Does she not get like elder abuse charges?

1245
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,140
Because was there any proof?

1246
01:09:52,140 --> 01:10:00,060
I mean, technically, I don't think there was any evidence of physical elder abuse.

1247
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:02,020
It's all elder abuse in...

1248
01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:03,020
Like, neglect.

1249
01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:04,020
Right.

1250
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:05,020
Yeah, yeah.

1251
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:09,620
Well, and strictly in like a financial aspect, really.

1252
01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:10,620
Yeah.

1253
01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:15,500
Portia pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

1254
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:19,620
She would receive two years and nine months in prison.

1255
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:23,100
She should get another year for a bad wig.

1256
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100
Yeah.

1257
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100
Listen.

1258
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,100
That's a crime.

1259
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:27,100
It was a crime.

1260
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,340
That is true crime.

1261
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:37,100
I can't see if I told you that even though there's still some sad stuff left, that this story

1262
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:41,740
kind of has a silver lining, would you believe me?

1263
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:44,660
I hope that you would never lie to me.

1264
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:45,660
Okay.

1265
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,100
I'm putting a lot of faith and trust in you.

1266
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:53,220
Ralph has struggled to come to grips with the fact that the woman he knew as Mary Marks

1267
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:54,740
was really Portia.

1268
01:10:54,740 --> 01:10:58,260
He thought she died.

1269
01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:01,580
That's so fucked.

1270
01:11:01,580 --> 01:11:04,900
And she in fact only saw him as a mark.

1271
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:05,900
Get it?

1272
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:06,900
Mary Marks?

1273
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:07,900
No.

1274
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:08,900
No?

1275
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:09,900
I get it.

1276
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:10,900
I get it.

1277
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,100
My heart hurts.

1278
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:20,940
On the day of her sentencing, she agreed to meet with Ralph and greeted him in the Mary Marks

1279
01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:28,340
get up, complete with the British accent before taking off her disguise.

1280
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:30,060
She did not.

1281
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:34,340
The prosecution actually arranged this.

1282
01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:37,100
They did this for his benefit.

1283
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:42,740
Did they tell him that she was alive actually first or did he just see a ghost?

1284
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:49,140
He did, it's, I mean, he knew that Mary Marks was having a trial, right?

1285
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:50,460
Because he's there.

1286
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:52,660
Okay.

1287
01:11:52,660 --> 01:12:00,580
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and very hurt feelings involved in this.

1288
01:12:00,580 --> 01:12:08,460
But this helped him to come to terms with the overwhelming deception according to some

1289
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:16,140
of the people that have remained closest to him throughout his emotional ordeal.

1290
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:22,780
He literally, until she took off the wig, he just could not fathom that Mary Marks wasn't

1291
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:27,580
real and that anything that he was being told was true.

1292
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:30,780
It's just so fucking sad.

1293
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,740
Oh my God.

1294
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:36,900
Ralph doesn't typically speak about this period of his life.

1295
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:42,180
Some of his money and other assets have been returned to him after being recovered by authorities

1296
01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:44,300
through seizures.

1297
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:49,820
Ralph currently lives in a relatively modest A-Frame style home on the remaining family

1298
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:56,300
property where the evidence of the clear cutting is in plain view.

1299
01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:00,420
A stark reminder of his painful past.

1300
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:06,300
To some, it might be surprising to hear how optimistic Ralph has remained.

1301
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:12,820
Even light of all that he is endured, but when he appeared on American greed, his parting

1302
01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:16,780
words took the crew at the end of the episode were.

1303
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:20,820
Ten years ago, this whole area in here had trees.

1304
01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:28,260
This size appeared as he gestured to a large stand of old growth trees.

1305
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:29,940
It's something I helped plant.

1306
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,580
I helped build and now it's gone.

1307
01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:40,300
I realized we've had a disaster here, but it will grow back and heal.

1308
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:43,300
Oh.

1309
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,300
It will.

1310
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:48,980
Ten years from now, you won't recognize this spot.

1311
01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:50,980
Come back in ten years.

1312
01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:55,780
I know I was like crying at the end of the episode.

1313
01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:59,060
Can you imagine?

1314
01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:04,020
No, this whole thing is just crazy.

1315
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:07,020
They just brainwashed him.

1316
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:12,500
I just feel like if it had just been about the financial fraud, I know it's easy to say

1317
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:17,020
that you don't care about the money when you have the money.

1318
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:18,020
I don't know that.

1319
01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:19,020
I assume.

1320
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:20,020
Yeah.

1321
01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:32,420
But it's the wholesale fraud that they perpetrated in the deepest and most hurtful and personal

1322
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:39,860
ways in his life that it's just, it's fucking heart-wrenching.

1323
01:14:39,860 --> 01:14:42,340
It really is.

1324
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:44,340
It's so sick.

1325
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:52,300
Yeah, like as much as we made fun of this bitch's fake wig and all this stuff, but I can really

1326
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:59,860
see how you know the soft spots and the nerves that you can poke and manipulate and to someone

1327
01:14:59,860 --> 01:15:06,620
who then can't see any of that anymore.

1328
01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:09,660
And this is super heartbreaking as well.

1329
01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:17,260
He obviously hasn't been able to maintain a relationship with Georgiel.

1330
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:18,260
Oh, God.

1331
01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:25,460
And he said that's the one thing that he wishes is that he's like, I know maybe it's not right.

1332
01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:28,380
You know, maybe that it shouldn't be that way.

1333
01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:33,700
He's back with his family, like his real mom now.

1334
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:38,380
But he really desperately wishes that he could have a relationship with Georgiel because

1335
01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:40,140
he thought he was his father.

1336
01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:41,500
He loved him.

1337
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:46,140
He, you know, was helping to raise him for all intents and purposes.

1338
01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:47,660
Yeah.

1339
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:50,780
How old was Georgiel in the soul?

1340
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:51,780
Oh, gosh.

1341
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:56,220
By the end of it, he might have been close to like kindergarten age.

1342
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:58,860
Because that's gonna fuck with him too.

1343
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:03,460
He's like, where was this father figure I had for so long?

1344
01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:04,460
Mm-hmm.

1345
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:05,460
Just like the...

1346
01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:06,460
The damage.

1347
01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:07,660
The tendrils of damage.

1348
01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:11,780
I was literally just gonna say that tentacles, it just...

1349
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:13,860
There's so much trauma.

1350
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:24,420
That's why I say it's like, there's not any murder technically, but it feels so much worse

1351
01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:27,820
in a way.

1352
01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:29,740
And obviously murder is bad.

1353
01:16:29,740 --> 01:16:30,740
Murder is bad.

1354
01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:32,620
We are not saying murder.

1355
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:37,580
We are saying that like this just feels like on another level.

1356
01:16:37,580 --> 01:16:38,580
It's torture.

1357
01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:39,860
It's like torture.

1358
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:44,220
It's like psychological warfare and torture.

1359
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:48,980
And it would be awful to do it to anyone, but the fact that they didn't pick somebody who

1360
01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:57,460
was a young man and could move on in his life and do things differently moving forward.

1361
01:16:57,460 --> 01:17:01,740
This is someone who's already like retirement age.

1362
01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:03,740
Yeah.

1363
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:08,980
Like he's entering what should be the golden years of his life and they have just...

1364
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:13,500
They've absolutely annihilated what he thought was his life.

1365
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:14,500
That's crazy.

1366
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:17,060
I fucking hate it.

1367
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:21,820
I hope he has the same outlook on his life that he does with the land.

1368
01:17:21,820 --> 01:17:23,740
I think very much so.

1369
01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:29,740
You are in your elder years, but that's not to say that you can't have a fulfilling life

1370
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:31,420
for the rest of it.

1371
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:37,780
You can still find meaning in what he does on this earth.

1372
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:46,860
And obviously a lot of what his family has done has been trying to be of service to their

1373
01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:51,140
local community and just generally being good humans.

1374
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,700
I don't know.

1375
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:55,140
I mean, what else do you do?

1376
01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:58,340
You can't do anything, but just...

1377
01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:59,340
Yeah.

1378
01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:03,860
You can't help and live with that little spot of sunshine.

1379
01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:04,860
And you know what?

1380
01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:06,460
You know what you do?

1381
01:18:06,460 --> 01:18:09,180
You do some tarot, but you know what you don't do?

1382
01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:12,540
You don't fake the tarot reading.

1383
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:14,220
You don't just like make shit up.

1384
01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:15,940
You don't manipulate people.

1385
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:17,660
Yeah.

1386
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:20,340
You don't fake multiple pregnancies.

1387
01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:21,780
That is so gross.

1388
01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:22,780
And your death.

1389
01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:24,060
That is so gross.

1390
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:26,900
All of that is just gross.

1391
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,260
Should we do some tarot?

1392
01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:34,380
Yeah, let's do some real-ass tarot, but isn't going to hurt anybody.

1393
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:37,100
Except our own feelings, maybe.

1394
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,500
Yeah, maybe sometimes, but yeah.

1395
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:40,500
What are you going to do?

1396
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,100
It's always the truth.

1397
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:44,900
And that's better than lies.

1398
01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:47,860
And that's a quote from me. 

1399
01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:49,860
Oh my God.

1400
01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:53,380
That was the most basic quote I ever heard.

1401
01:18:53,380 --> 01:18:54,860
You're like, "Better than lies."

1402
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,380
I'm a genius.

1403
01:18:57,380 --> 01:18:59,380
But that on my tombstone.

1404
01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,100
Oh my God.

1405
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:04,100
[SIRENS]

1406
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:09,220
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1407
01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:12,980
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1408
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:14,500
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1409
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:18,020
You can find their info in our show notes.

1410
01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:19,100
Hey, it's Katie.

1411
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:20,100
And Izzy.

1412
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:22,980
We are the host of Horror Cats and Witch Hats.

1413
01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:26,780
A podcast where we take a deep dive into the movie's creative to Haunt,

1414
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:28,580
Horify, and Be Witch.

1415
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:31,940
Every other week, we cover a movie recommended by our listeners.

1416
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:35,780
My favorite episodes have included talking about the true crime that inspired the film,

1417
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:39,820
Haunted History, and of course, any cat that survives till the end.

1418
01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:44,740
So follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Horror_Cats_WitchHats

1419
01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:47,300
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1420
01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:51,260
But more importantly, send us your cat pictures and videos.

1421
01:19:51,260 --> 01:19:54,900
You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, and Google podcasts.

1422
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:57,500
Or pretty much wherever you listen to fine podcasts.

1423
01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:58,500
Wow!

1424
01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:02,260
You guys, we're back!

1425
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:05,020
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

1426
01:20:05,020 --> 01:20:06,020
Well, of course.

1427
01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:10,660
Oh my gosh!

1428
01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:11,820
It's so cute!

1429
01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,500
Look at all the minis!

1430
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:15,500
I know!

1431
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,100
Yeah, this will definitely be when we have to get some good pictures.

1432
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:18,940
Oh yeah.

1433
01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:20,460
You cannot see.

1434
01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:20,980
Oh, point.

1435
01:20:20,980 --> 01:20:22,940
I'll point some stuff out while she's shuffling.

1436
01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:24,620
A racket.

1437
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:27,060
Tiny tarot card.

1438
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:29,060
They're teeny weeny.

1439
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:30,780
They're Caitlyn's size.

1440
01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:33,420
We found a Caitlyn's size deck.

1441
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:35,780
She shuffled these perfectly earlier.

1442
01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:39,140
Didn't drop a one.

1443
01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:41,340
I dropped a literally every single one of them.

1444
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:43,860
She grabbed a mole and they all just fell out of her hands.

1445
01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:47,260
And I was like, is this the first time you've ever felt like a giant?

1446
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,260
Yeah, basically.

1447
01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:50,260
OK.

1448
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:55,460
Oh, what a word.

1449
01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:57,180
King of Swords was an effort.

1450
01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:58,900
It was, yes.

1451
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:00,780
King of Swords.

1452
01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:02,740
It's not a flamingo.

1453
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:04,940
It's not a flamingo, but it looks like one.

1454
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,860
I think it's a heron.

1455
01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:09,540
I'm just like, it's not a flamingo.

1456
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:11,340
She's like, that's all the things I know.

1457
01:21:11,340 --> 01:21:13,540
Those are from the Pacific Northwest.

1458
01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:16,620
[LAUGHTER]

1459
01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:17,580
OK.

1460
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:19,580
King of Swords are keywords.

1461
01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:26,780
Are judgment, intelligence, mental power, and communication.

1462
01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:28,940
In some decks, the King of Swords

1463
01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:33,260
sits on a throne wearing royal robes and a crown,

1464
01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:36,020
brandishing a mighty battle sword.

1465
01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:38,100
They were both veterans.

1466
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,100
Oh, yeah.

1467
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:44,100
Other decks show him in military armor.

1468
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:48,580
In a reading, he may represent an actual person, in which case,

1469
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:52,580
he's usually a mature man known for his intelligence,

1470
01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:56,140
communication skills, fairness, and objectivity.

1471
01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:56,740
Wow.

1472
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,300
That-- yeah.

1473
01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,220
That's creepy.

1474
01:21:59,220 --> 01:22:03,860
That's like one of the things I wanted to, like, kind of--

1475
01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:06,140
I don't-- like, drill in, but not really,

1476
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:08,420
that he wasn't like a dumb person.

1477
01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:10,780
No, not at all.

1478
01:22:10,780 --> 01:22:14,780
The upright King represents intellectual pursuits,

1479
01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:19,420
communication, spiritual knowledge, which was, like,

1480
01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:23,740
Ralph's other passion aside from having a family,

1481
01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:25,100
and study.

1482
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:29,780
You may be mastering a mental task or using your communications

1483
01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:31,860
skills successfully.

1484
01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:33,980
This is going to make you absolutely

1485
01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:35,940
short your pantaloon.

1486
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,940
I thought you were reading still, and I was like, wait, oh,

1487
01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:39,940
what?

1488
01:22:39,940 --> 01:22:41,620
Yeah, that's in the book.

1489
01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:46,300
Sometimes this card indicates a decision, judgment, or legal

1490
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:47,700
matter.

1491
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:49,380
Yes.

1492
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:54,100
I think you could say, if the King signifies an actual person,

1493
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:57,860
he may seem stern, analytical, or aloof.

1494
01:22:57,860 --> 01:23:00,980
Perhaps he's a lawyer or judge, a professor,

1495
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:04,900
military leader, scientist, or religious leader.

1496
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,420
This is so Ralph's senior.

1497
01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:09,860
In a reading about money, the King upright

1498
01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,780
recommends taking charge of a financial matter.

1499
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:16,100
Oh my god, it hurts.

1500
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:17,220
Do your homework.

1501
01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:20,180
Don't let your emotions influence a decision

1502
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:23,020
involving money or investments.

1503
01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:26,060
We needed to do his tarot reading.

1504
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:27,780
It hurts.

1505
01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:32,580
This card may also mean profiting from an intellectual endeavor.

1506
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:34,500
If the reading is about your job, it

1507
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,860
may indicate you work in a field that

1508
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:41,220
requires keen intelligence, good communication,

1509
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:44,220
or analytical ability.

1510
01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:47,700
The King advises you to show leadership regarding decisions

1511
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:52,740
or judgments, clarity, and objectivity are important.

1512
01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:57,420
Because you think of him as we talked about he worked very

1513
01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:58,340
physically.

1514
01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:59,340
He did.

1515
01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:59,700
Yeah.

1516
01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:03,340
But then also to run it after his dad passed,

1517
01:24:03,340 --> 01:24:05,460
he ran the whole thing, right?

1518
01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:13,180
Well, not from the standpoint of the administrative

1519
01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:15,740
or bookkeeping, obviously, you know what he was doing that.

1520
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:18,340
But I mean, yeah.

1521
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:23,300
Cassie, you're going to shorten your pants a second time.

1522
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,260
Double short.

1523
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:25,860
Double short.

1524
01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,820
In a reading about love, the King symbolizes

1525
01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:33,100
a relationship based on shared interests and ideas

1526
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:36,100
rather than passion.

1527
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:36,620
Yep.

1528
01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:39,380
Like a sexless marriage where they might

1529
01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:41,260
have been fake shared ideas.

1530
01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:42,420
Yeah.

1531
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:46,900
You and your partner resist expressing deep emotions,

1532
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:49,620
preferring a friendly partnership, which

1533
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:51,740
is literally the name of the game here.

1534
01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:52,780
Yeah.

1535
01:24:52,780 --> 01:24:55,060
Perhaps you fear losing independence

1536
01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:57,020
if you open your heart.

1537
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:59,940
I don't think he was the one that was afraid.

1538
01:24:59,940 --> 01:25:01,700
There's an extra excerpt.

1539
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:05,740
I think the highest purpose of ritual or magic work

1540
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:10,580
is to seek our gods to commune with the cosmic mirror

1541
01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:14,260
and the spirits of nature in order to learn more of the divinity

1542
01:25:14,260 --> 01:25:17,300
within ourselves and reach ever more

1543
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:21,140
toward personal growth and its highest expression.

1544
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:22,660
Nature.

1545
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:25,420
That's what like real-- what does it say?

1546
01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:26,380
What's the beginning again?

1547
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:27,060
Sorry.

1548
01:25:27,060 --> 01:25:30,900
The highest purpose is to seek our gods.

1549
01:25:30,900 --> 01:25:32,860
Commune with the cosmic mirror.

1550
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:36,340
This is just-- it's Ralph Jr. all over the place.

1551
01:25:36,340 --> 01:25:39,380
And it's like what a tarot reader should be doing.

1552
01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:45,300
Not selfishly doing whatever the fuck you want to do.

1553
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,340
Right.

1554
01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:47,500
In the nature.

1555
01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:49,380
Oh my gosh.

1556
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:51,340
All those trees.

1557
01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:53,380
Trees of feelings.

1558
01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:54,940
I kind of want to read this.

1559
01:25:54,940 --> 01:25:55,820
OK.

1560
01:25:55,820 --> 01:25:56,740
I don't know why.

1561
01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:57,620
Let's see.

1562
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,980
She wants to know what the bird is, people.

1563
01:25:59,980 --> 01:26:02,420
Oh, the bird's a great blue heron.

1564
01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:06,340
The king always felt most himself in the water.

1565
01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:12,380
True his subjects gasped in awe when he took to the air.

1566
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:16,620
His wide wings outstretched in the gleaming sunlight.

1567
01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:20,060
And he did enjoy the bird's eye view, so to speak.

1568
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,540
But it would surprise them to learn

1569
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:26,780
that it was here in the water where he felt most at home.

1570
01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:30,140
I feel like the water is like the trees.

1571
01:26:30,140 --> 01:26:30,740
No.

1572
01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:31,660
It is.

1573
01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:33,460
It is because of trees.

1574
01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:38,620
There's literally a quote that I swear it was in my notes,

1575
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:40,820
but it doesn't seem like it made the final cut.

1576
01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:41,700
I don't know how.

1577
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:47,100
But he was described as being more at home with trees than people.

1578
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:48,580
Yeah.

1579
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:51,060
And like this whole time I've been like saying in my mind,

1580
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:54,660
like a sea of trees, a sea of trees, and this is like water.

1581
01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:55,380
OK.

1582
01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:56,740
There's more.

1583
01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:00,460
He stood perfectly still until the fish forgot him.

1584
01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:03,300
Seeing him as just a part of the landscape.

1585
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:08,060
He enjoyed watching them flit about his tall ankles,

1586
01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:11,060
like tiny thoughts darting in and out.

1587
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:12,220
Yeah, that's his thoughts.

1588
01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:14,620
Like tiny thoughts darting in and out

1589
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:20,100
of a rapidly processing mind, which I was talking about that earlier.

1590
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,940
Oh, boy.

1591
01:27:21,940 --> 01:27:25,300
When he saw one of particular interest,

1592
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,260
he might observe it for a while.

1593
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:30,420
Oh, now this is kind of like reminding me of her.

1594
01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:35,620
Oh, like blending in and like observing and then--

1595
01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:37,140
I hate that.

1596
01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,700
--the light on its scales, the exact motion of its fin and tail.

1597
01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:44,900
Its patterns and coloration.

1598
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:50,140
So it's like studying and like thinks this one fish is interesting.

1599
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:53,020
And if it suited him, he would take it,

1600
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:57,180
breaking the stillness with an instantaneous strike downward,

1601
01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:02,580
spearing it on a bill as sharp as any honed edge.

1602
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:05,380
He never misses.

1603
01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:08,100
OK, so first I was thinking this was him,

1604
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:11,980
like it was describing him, but now it's like totally her.

1605
01:28:11,980 --> 01:28:15,860
I mean, there's parts of it that resonate for Ralph Jr.

1606
01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:18,700
but there's definitely parts of it that are very pointed.

1607
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:24,620
And it's Rachel and other members of the Lee family.

1608
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:26,660
Wow.

1609
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:28,060
That's crazy.

1610
01:28:28,060 --> 01:28:32,940
That's a little tastier cold reading that's going to happen.

1611
01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:34,860
Not great.

1612
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:36,340
Should we do this thing?

1613
01:28:36,340 --> 01:28:36,860
Sure.

1614
01:28:36,860 --> 01:28:38,620
Should we-- I feel like I want to cheer us.

1615
01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:40,540
All right.

1616
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:41,700
Cheers, darling.

1617
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:44,020
To Ralph Jr.

1618
01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:46,220
I'll drink to that.

1619
01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:48,060
You're going to have amazing life.

1620
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:50,220
You're going to have amazing life.

1621
01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:52,980
Why use many words?

1622
01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:55,300
I keep doing that.

1623
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,100
Ralph, you're going to have an amazing life with that outlook.

1624
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:03,380
That's how you get a good life is having this great outlook

1625
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:05,780
on it, even though shitty things happen.

1626
01:29:05,780 --> 01:29:06,780
It's what you make it.

1627
01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:09,060
You just have to.

1628
01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:12,260
That or you're just fucking depressed.

1629
01:29:12,260 --> 01:29:13,940
And that's never fun.

1630
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:16,300
No, not at all.

1631
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:21,180
Oh, or have a creepy ass day.

1632
01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:23,140
See you next Tuesday.

1633
01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:24,100
You can't hurt me.

1634
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,860
I mean, just whenever we show up again,

1635
01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,140
and always every Tuesday, but maybe other times too.

1636
01:29:31,140 --> 01:29:34,940
There will never be a scam here, never ever.

1637
01:29:34,940 --> 01:29:36,340
That's why we do it on camera.

1638
01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:37,140
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

1639
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:44,500
Be anticipation.

1640
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:49,140
The anticipation, not to me if it purely.

1641
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:50,940
Oh, God.

1642
01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:54,900
What do you call it when something is so funny that you're

1643
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:58,340
worried you might be?

1644
01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:59,340
Hallerapy?

1645
01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:00,220
Hallerapy?

1646
01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:01,220
Yeah.

1647
01:30:01,220 --> 01:30:02,780
Maybe we'll workshop that one.

1648
01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:03,580
Workshop that one.

1649
01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:04,060
OK.

1650
01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:05,820
Not that quick on my brain.

1651
01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:06,820
Yeah.

1652
01:30:06,820 --> 01:30:10,060
OK.

1653
01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:10,620
All right.

1654
01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:10,900
Yeah.

1655
01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:11,420
Yeah.

1656
01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:14,340
Well, don't think with my toes.

1657
01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:15,460
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