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Welcome to Inside Hopkins. I am your host, Dr. Rodin Murray-Piri Reid.

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In today's episode, we are diving into the world of competitive robotics,

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where creativity, engineering, and teamwork come together in an exciting, very high energy environment.

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Students spend six weeks to design, build, code, and troubleshoot a robot.

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To take on a brand new challenge, think of it as a high-tech sport,

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where robots face off in a fast-pitched match, filled with strategy, precision, and problem-solving.

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The Hopkins High School Robotics team, known as the Technocrats,

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has a mission that goes beyond building robots.

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Through the program, students grow as engineers, they grow as programmers, business leaders, and communicators,

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while learning to collaborate and innovate under pressure.

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The Hopkins team has grown significantly in the last several years and has reached new milestones.

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Last year, the team won the Excellence in Engineering Award for their engineering process in robot design.

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Congratulations, that's amazing.

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Today, I have three incredible guests with me to chat about this exciting program.

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Jason Herzog is a machine design engineer at General Mills, who has been mentoring in the Robotics program for 10 seasons.

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Wow.

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I'm giving you a Robotics halo at the end of this.

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When he first started, the team had six high school students, and now they have 40 high school students,

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three middle school teams, and more than eight elementary teams.

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Jason, that's really incredible.

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Yeah. It's been the journey.

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It's amazing.

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Well, first congratulations, and thank you for all of that investment. That's incredible. And welcome to Inside Hopkins.

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Thank you.

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Amelia Caravu is a senior at Hopkins High School and captain of the Robotics team.

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Now in their third year of Robotics, they're passionate about engineering and problem solving.

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Beyond Robotics, Amelia also competes in Envirothon and is a PSEO student at the University of Minnesota,

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where they're already earning credits toward their first year of mechanical engineering.

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Welcome to Inside Hopkins, Amelia.

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Thank you.

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Caitlin Ditzler is a junior at Hopkins High School and one of the captains of the Robotics team.

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Along with Robotics, Caitlin serves on the HHS Four Choice Board,

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competes in math league, and is a PSEO student balancing college coursework,

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a job, and volunteering with the animal, Humane Society. Welcome to Inside Hopkins, Caitlin.

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Thank you.

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So let's get started.

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So we will likely have listeners who don't know a lot about Robotics.

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So can you give us an overview of the program and what does it look like for students to be involved?

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So let's start with you, Coach Jason.

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Give us an overview of the program then we'll hear from our captains.

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Yeah, so first robotics is a worldwide organization that has programs from kindergarten all the way through high school.

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Different levels. So as you said earlier, we have middle school teams.

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We have elementary school teams and we have the high school team, the technocrats.

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So we have 9-12 graders every year. We get a new challenge for the year, a new game that the robot's going to play in January.

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Same time as everyone else in the world. And then we break down that challenge, figure out what kind of robot we're going to build and start on that task.

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One of the unique things about first robotics is that it's not just our robot by itself on the field.

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It's our robot plus two other teams at random against three other teams at random of the teams at the competition.

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So we have to cooperate and collaborate with those other teams just for that one match and then possibly even in the next match we're playing against them.

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So there's a lot of collaboration between the teams, which is a lot of fun, not just at the competition, but before and after the competition.

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And then a lot of times people when they hear robotics competition, they immediately assume battle bots.

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Right, that's the common question. So like, oh, you do battle bots.

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I think that first robotics is more interesting battle bots because whereas battle boxes like boxing, right, and you're damaging the other robot and one of you comes out of that and one does not.

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We play basketball or football or tennis, right, we're playing a game generally on a team with the other robots and playing a game.

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And so the action is constant and it's fast and there's a lot going on in the field.

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So Amelia, you've been on the technocrats for three years. This is your third year.

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This is my third and final year.

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So what's it been like for you this three year journey? What's it like for you to be on the technocrats and also what's it like to be a captain?

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Well, it's kind of, it feels like a roller coaster.

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I originally joined to it because I was quitting a sport and my parents wanted me to do something and they're like, you should join robotics. We've heard about it.

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And then I kind of fell in love with it as soon as I joined the first year.

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I didn't really have any lead positions or anything, but I still tried to get into it as much as I possibly could.

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And then my second year, I started to get lead positions and then obviously this last year I'm captain.

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And I don't know, it's taught me a lot about what I wanted to do in my future.

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I always knew I wanted to do something in the STEM field, but I never knew quite what I wanted to do.

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And being in robotics has really helped me figure out what I wanted to do in the future and what I love to do.

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And I never would have thought I love coming up with different designs of things. If I had been on my own, I probably never would have discovered that.

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And I probably would not know what I would want to do in the future.

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So it's helped me find like a love of building and prototyping designing.

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So it's been a path of learning for you, but also a path into your future.

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Yes. That's incredible.

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And Caitlin, what about you? How many years have you been on the technocrats and what's it been like for you?

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So this is my second year on the team.

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And I started as a rookie last year and I became the business lead of the team.

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So we have a business section of the team which deals with our fundraising and our sponsorships and like the social media and our branding of the team, which is also another aspect.

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That kind of brought me into more of a leadership role which allowed me to become capped in this year, which has been so amazing.

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Now I've kind of tried to move into more of the working with tools and being in the shop more and working on prototyping and designing and more hands-on stuff.

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So I'm going to go back to Jason in a minute, but there is an absence or a shortage of girls and individuals who identify as female in the STEM field, in robotics and engineering.

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And we have captains. That's amazing. And how do you work with all of your teammates to make sure there's representation?

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Well, for me, firstly, I'm non-binary. And so I at least encourage my teammates whenever we're recruiting to always reach out to everyone in the hallway and not look for certain people.

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We should always be looking to recruit everyone from every gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality.

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And we also have had people on the team previously come out or change their identity and we make sure to create a welcoming atmosphere where it doesn't matter where they are in their life.

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They can always be true to themselves, even if they're not able to be true to themselves all the time.

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You said recruit everyone.

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So yes, we do lots of things on the high school level, but we also have elementary teams.

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And what we did last year is we went into third to fifth grade classrooms and did some STEM activities.

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So what we find is that girls and people who are non-binary and anyone else who doesn't exactly fit in the box are self-selecting at the ages around 10 to 12.

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They're self-selecting out of STEM topics, STEM careers. And that's kind of where biases start to form.

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You said they're self-selecting out.

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So we find that because they don't see the representation at those early ages.

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we're hoping that it makes a good impact so they can see leaders that might look like them.

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And then they might want to pursue something in STEM.

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That is so wonderful.

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Okay. So Jason, over the last 10 years, the program has experienced tremendous growth.

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Like was it from six students to now 40 high schoolers and a couple middle school teams, multiple elementary teams?

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What has fueled that growth?

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I mean, the interest is there.

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I think one of the things that we're most proud of about the team is that we have lots of students join the team who don't know anyone on the team.

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So I guess Melia pointed out we get out and go to the ninth grade orientation and the club fair and we're always the first one to get our posters on the board.

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So at the beginning of the school year, right, when there's nothing on the board except for the robotics team and it's on every board and get a lot of students in the door.

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And they come in not knowing anyone and then they join the team, like Melia said, and they meet everyone else in the team.

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And they stay. Which I imagine speaks to the culture of the team. That students would join, like right away and also stay.

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Right? What is the culture of the technocrats? What's, how would you describe the culture within your team?

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I'd say it's probably the most welcoming community I've ever been in.

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The people here are just so kind and I came in with no experience about anything in robotics and something we emphasize is you don't have to know everything, anything.

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Because a lot of people think, oh, I have to know how to code or I have to know how to build a robot. You really don't.

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Yeah, I think that the first program really emphasizes a very, very inclusive environment.

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There's no tolerance for any hate in the program in general, whether that's a competition on individual teams.

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We have an amazing set of mentors from all different places.

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We have leads that are specialized in different things. And I think we, I don't know, I just think we have such an amazing community.

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I came in as a rookie not knowing anyone on the team. And I was terrified to go in the room.

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And then when I was in there, I was like, these are my people. These are exactly, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be.

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I have people with the same interests around me. We're all in the same boat. And we're all just trying to build a robot together.

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We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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So can you talk about the roles that students take on because I heard you mention leads.

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So are those the captains or those some other individuals?

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The two students in charge are the captains, and then below them, there's assistant captains, which are kind of like the people that are going to be captains next after those captains leave.

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So they're like the captains in training, you can think of them. And then we have our team is split into a bunch of sub teams.

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So we have like automation sub team that handles all the coding, or we have like two build sub teams that build the different mechanisms of our robots.

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And we have a lead for each of those sub teams. And then we also have competition roles, which are a bit different.

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So that's only for competition. So like we have a role where it's a driver, and they their whole job is during competition. They're driving the robot.

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That's a lot of rules. And how do they get assigned?

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So we do an activity where we go in hallway. And the leads have been decided for the different sub teams.

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They applied earlier in the year and the captain. They apply to be the leads and the general leads returning students, but not always Caitlin was a lead as a rookie.

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The captains and the mentors discuss who should lead which team and think about the whole team structure. And then the rest of the students we do an activity where the leads stand in the corners in the hallway.

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And we started a timer. And the students all divide up to what sub team they want to work on. And then the mentors and the captains and the leads all assess, do we have the right number of people and skills and capabilities for each of the teams that we need.

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And if we don't, then everyone goes back to the middle and we start the timer again. And we do that until we get the right balance for what we need for that season.

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And usually it's only takes one time.

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Sometimes I think the most favorite is three.

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Is it like a self assessment or so they don't always balance straight. These teams aren't always even in the amount.

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And so we do the sort everyone goes which way and we go around and we ask the leads, do you feel like you have the right amount of people? Do you have too many people?

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Do you have too few people? Do you have enough people with returning members, new members to fit that mix?

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And so people by doing it up in front of everyone, everyone gets to see how that sort works. And everyone has to go back to the middle.

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And some people, you know, if we have to do the sort more than once or the figuring out the groups, sometimes students go, oh, there's a lot of people there.

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Maybe I want to go over here with those less people. I'm interested in that too and have more opportunity to be directly involved in everything going on there.

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That's cool.

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Okay, so Amelia, what is one skill that you have now that you didn't have three years ago as a result of being on the technocrats?

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I would say probably like my communication skills are so much better as a lead.

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I've had to communicate much differently than I had to before because when you're trying to lead a group of people to do a whole ton of tasks that need to get done, you have to speak a lot differently than when you're one of those people doing those tasks.

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Or like I have to speak differently when I'm reaching out to businesses to see if they want to sponsor us when I'm helping out on the business side.

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That's amazing.

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Okay, so Caitlin, what about you?

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Well, on the surface level, I would say I learned to use a drill.

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But I think the most valuable skill by far I've learned is my public speaking skills because I was terrified of public speaking.

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Absolutely terrified.

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And here you are now.

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And you're in a podcast.

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Doing great.

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So I was terrified doing presentations for school, not a very outgoing person.

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But as a business lead, I needed to one talk in front of the people I was leading, of course.

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But also go to companies and pitch our team.

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Go to them, show what we are doing at events like the Raspberry Festival, Rotary Clubs, and at the school board.

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That's incredible.

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I love that journey.

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So I would like our listeners to learn from you now.

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So I'd like you to explain to our listeners how the team goes from nothing to something.

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So you get that challenge announcement.

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And there's no robot.

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Like what, what does that journey look like from the challenge announcement to having a finished robot?

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So that whole first day, when we get the game, so they have a whole reveal video, the animation of the game, and then the 130, 40 pages of rules come out.

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And so we spend time reading those and breaking them down.

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Everything has point values, and there's penalties for doing certain things.

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And there's safe areas where you can try and score where the opponents can't touch you.

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There's all sorts of things, right?

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How many teams across the country or world are looking at that same reveal video?

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4,000 teams.

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So that's incredible.

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So we look back at past games and past years we've had these foam rings that we launched.

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We've had Frisbee's, we've had milk crates with fabric covers that we've placed.

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Really large exercise balls, oversized kick balls.

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But there's similarities.

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So we break it down, like you said.

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Our team tackles what first, right?

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So we don't get to stuck in, "Oh, we want to do a scissor lift," or an elevator or whatnot, right?

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But figure out what you're going to do first, then figure out how to solve that problem.

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Where do you get the materials and supplies to build the robot?

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So a lot of our prototyping materials are like cardboard, plywood, two by fours.

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Because we don't want to waste our precious materials on prototyping.

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But a lot of our materials that we mainly use are just bought by the team,

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so with our money that we fundraise for.

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We buy a lot of metal, plastic.

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We use same suppliers around town that companies use.

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Right, so we get some stuff at Home Depot or Menards or Lowe's or your local hardware store.

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But we also go to companies that are plastic supply companies that they supply plastic to businesses and machine shops and whatnot.

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We get some stuff donated.

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We make a lot of stuff in-house, but sometimes we send out like two vendors that do water jet cutting or laser cutting or different things that maybe we don't have quite have the capabilities for.

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And we pay them to machine parts for us.

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And where in the high school do you build the robot?

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And where would we find you during one of your practice sessions, please?

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So well, that varies from sub team.

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But the mostly building building is done in the wood shop.

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So we use a bunch of the saws to cut metal by those tech-aid classrooms.

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We do a lot of testing because we don't want to do it in such a enclosed space just for safety reasons.

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So we'll do in the hallway there.

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And then down by where we have our display case, automation does a lot.

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They're testing of the robot.

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So because they have a lot of spare space down there that allows them to test.

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So the whole test, how different code makes the robot go.

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And then when we really need to, we grab carpets and roll them out in the mall.

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Oh, I've seen that.

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And we build like a...

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I was like, what is happening?

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Half of a field or like what would be considered like a practice field in first robotics?

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And we test the robot there.

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So you're like simulating the actual surface?

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Oh, good.

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So we have old carpet from that they used for the field that was too used.

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So they gave it to us.

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So we have half a field, which is about 30 feet by 30 feet that we roll out.

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So the high schools have to haul it across the school.

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But not every school gets to have space for that.

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So like sometimes schools from the surrounding area come to practice with us.

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So some of the other private schools and Hopkins or you know, attackers come over.

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They don't come to practice with us.

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Sometimes we go to Eden Park because sometimes they have a full, a full size field set up.

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So lots of sharing and collaboration across the Twin Cities.

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Let's say tomorrow was a big competition day.

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Like what are you doing today?

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What would you be doing tonight?

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Like how do you feel?

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Like give us a sense of kind of where the team is at the day or the night before a competition.

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Nobody's sleeping.

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Nobody's sleeping.

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I was going to say everyone's sleeping because a competition is three days long.

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There's a Friday Saturday usually for three days straight.

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And what's the team atmosphere like?

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Are people excited?

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Are you nervous?

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Oh, composition is so, so fun.

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The energy in the room at competition is so much higher than you would ever expect because it's a robotics event.

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You might expect it to be more chill, but it's not.

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It's loud, super high energy.

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People are cheering.

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Everyone's really excited.

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You get to meet all the other teams at the competition.

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People are super friendly.

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So I'm always excited to go meet new people and see what all the other robots are doing.

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Well, I remember going to the U to watch.

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And I was just, I mean, it was my first, I've been a few times, but my first time, I just remember like thinking,

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what is this?

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This is, and like you said, the energy is wild.

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And it was, I was awestruck.

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Well, I'm really excited for your season this year.

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I hope it's so much fun.

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I've learned so much from you and really grateful for your captonship.

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Thank you for being captains of the technocrats.

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And Coach Jason, so incredible.

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I've been here for years observing his coach and you've grown the program to this level.

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It's really, it's so admirable.

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Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

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It's a lot different than when I was on the team as a student.

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Really appreciate you spending time and helping our listeners understand the fun and complex world of robotics.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for having us.

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