1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Told you he is, folks. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,640 It's so time. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,920 People pay good money to see this movie. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,560 When they go out to a theater, they 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,080 want cold sewage, a hot pop plorn, and no monsters 7 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:17,400 in the projection booth. 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,240 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 9 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,040 Then it'll arms. 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 11 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 12 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Oh, don't mind me. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,040 I'm just getting ready for the premiere of a Brad new motion. 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,160 I think sure I've been done like anything you've ever seen. 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:02,200 Enter the draft of Dragon for you see I am sad and colored. 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,320 And I start as a front view. 17 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,520 Your door gorgeous and dangerous hero is free. 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,920 Your dream. 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,240 It's used me. 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Hold up everyone. 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Listen, I don't know what you've been told, but I am Jade London. 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,560 If I am the star of the soon-to-be world-wide sensation 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,200 and trick the drag dragon, probably crunch the lead role. 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,000 And I am the one and only drag we call fool master. 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,400 I am the star of the drag. 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,440 Listen, pay no attention to those two bitches. 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,920 There's only one real star of this picture. 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,880 And it's me. 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Matt, me, what? 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,080 Watch me transcend the screen as crouched 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,320 and kick some ass while I do it. 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,480 By the end of this film, you will even remember the sand, 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,080 begle, and jag, London all. 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 [LAUGHTER] 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies. 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,280 All right. 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,760 So we all play crunch and enter the drag dragon. 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Overbe so big it took three drag queens to complete it. 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,360 So get ready for cinematic experience. 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Pull up. 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Drank? 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Drank games. 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 I'm not a dude but a cup zombies. 44 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,400 Mummy and droids. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,200 Blash. 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,200 Strikers. 47 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Bear, busted, vixins. 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,200 Spoys in his boobies. 49 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Oh, baby. 50 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,200 I think I have to think, believe me. 51 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,200 I'm major who. 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,200 Explosion. 53 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,200 A basket full of digs. 54 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,200 And so much more we can fit in this trailer. 55 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,200 So who are you? 56 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Supposed to be. 57 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,200 Where the crazy dragon detectives in the pool. 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,200 Barbeards, cast on land, sea, and air. 59 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Sam Kevin, jay, London, and Matt Meal. 60 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,200 All star as the right. 61 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,200 In the world's first ever drags, location action, back. 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Also star, Beatrice Bears, Bill Corrapis, Josh, Grace, Mark McDonald, Italian Marad. 63 00:02:51,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Judy, Jibor, Menifran, Scotemon, Quintana Taylor, Kirby, Natus, Ali Quinn, Castas 64 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Goat, Jesse Goat, Brendan Cap, Jay, Nick, Gordon, Gerard, Derek, Rustin, Jason 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Com, Dave, Big Nell, Peter Munnick. 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:15,160 Will King Wailong, Laurie Harith, Dan Mar, Jonathan Haynes, Elliot, Walker, 67 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Mashie DeWa, and featuring special appearances by Lloyd Causon, Johnny Vegas, Greg Sisteran. 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Knock a lot, bitch. 69 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,160 Enter the drag dragon. 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,160 Run! 71 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,160 A drag food action comedy horror musical you won't want to make. 72 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,160 Do I really? 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,160 I'm a detective. 74 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,160 You're the first detective. 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Everland. 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,160 What's going on? 77 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,160 That's a two-star. 78 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 So, it'll be fun. 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Five, totally. 80 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,160 If you want to see entertainment drag, drag, and ask your mama. 81 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Hey folks, welcome to the special episode of the projection booth. 82 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,160 I'm your host Mike White. 83 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:56,160 On this episode, I'm talking with Lee, the marb, the director of the new film Enter the Drag 84 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,160 Dragon. 85 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,160 If Lee's voice sounds familiar, it's because he'd been on the show before we had him on way back 86 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,160 when we talked about Jesus Christ vampire hunter. 87 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Check out the interview. 88 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Check out Enter the Drag Dragon, and I hope you enjoy. 89 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,160 Lee's been a few years since we've talked. 90 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,160 We've got a lot of catching up to do. 91 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,160 We're having me. 92 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,160 Oh, thank you so much for coming back on the show. 93 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,160 You always make such interesting and delightful films. 94 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,160 Big fan of your work, of course. 95 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,160 Tell me what you've been up to over the last few years before we even start to talk about Enter the Drag 96 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,160 Dragon. 97 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,160 It's been a little bit between directing projects and memory serves. 98 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,160 I haven't directed a film since in 14 years. 99 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,160 Wow. 100 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,160 In the 14 years, I tried my best to make movies. 101 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Many movies came my way. 102 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,160 I just didn't happen. 103 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 I spent 14 years not making movies. 104 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,160 But trying to make movies. 105 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,160 It was so sad. 106 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,160 Meeting producers and investors who took me down an exciting pass that led nowhere. 107 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,160 And I was creating felt a little relief recently. 108 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,160 My favorite film of the years, Tara. 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,160 Have you seen Tara with Kim? 110 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,160 Yeah. 111 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,160 No. 112 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,160 So that director had a 16 year hiatus. 113 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,160 And I thought, okay, I beat him. 114 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,160 I had a lot of exciting projects slipped through my fingers. 115 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,160 I was going to do a Jackie Chan project. 116 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,160 Wow. 117 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,160 It does do some action film in Jamaica with Fred Wameson. 118 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:27,160 I was going to go to the Philippines and direct the sequel to Cannibal Holocaust, which would have been thrilling. 119 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,160 And they'd have been just like sometimes you chased a dragon and they were chasing. 120 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,160 I had such a good time making into the drag dragon. 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,160 It took over three years to make the movie because of what happened. 122 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,160 My mother got sick and then COVID happened. 123 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,160 It took over three years to finish the movie. 124 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,160 But I wish I was still filming it because we had such a good time. 125 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,160 And it made me think that, geez, I wish I didn't chase that dragon. 126 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,160 I wish I just kept making these no budget movies. 127 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,160 I would at least had something to show for it. 128 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,160 But here we are. 129 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,160 And I'm really happy with that. 130 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,160 I'm happy with that. 131 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,160 And then drag dragon. 132 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,160 It's like the first film I've ever made where I'm actually excited to show people. 133 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,160 Sometimes it's a nerve-wracking show in your movies and fun of an audience. 134 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,160 But this one, I don't know. 135 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,160 It's easy. 136 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,160 My last two films that I made. 137 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,160 The last the very last film I made is strip naked. 138 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,160 And we shot the whole movie in two weeks. 139 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,160 It was one of the biggest budgets I ever budgeted. 140 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,160 I've ever had. 141 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,160 But it was terrible being on set because it wasn't about trying to make the best movie you could. 142 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,160 It was about trying to get through the day. 143 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,160 And I hated that feeling. 144 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,160 And I'd rather work on a no budget movie and try to make the best movie I could with no money. 145 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Instead of having all the money in the world. 146 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:47,160 But only 14 days to shoot it and just be pointing the camera and not having a time to work with the actors or figure out anything interesting with the camera. 147 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,160 He'd have been on set. 148 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,160 And I ran to my movie theater that I run now. 149 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,160 Hit there for 14 years trying to make the movies and realize, holy shit. 150 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,160 I was living the dream when I made Jesus Christ vampire. 151 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,160 I was living the dream when I made Harry Nuckles in the pro necklace. 152 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,160 I want to go back to that. 153 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,160 I thought the dream was to make movies with other people's money. 154 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,160 That was in the dream. 155 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,160 I was living the dream and it was time to go back. 156 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,160 It was time to go back to sleep and dream a little. 157 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,160 It's called that dream. 158 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,160 That last dream I had is called Enter the Dragon. 159 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,160 So how does this project come about? 160 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Do you just one day wake up and you're like, that's it. 161 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,160 This is over. I'm doing this or what are those dominoes that have to fall in the place for this. 162 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 That's a very good question. I didn't wake up thinking drag queens. 163 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:36,160 I, okay, so I good question that we had to go back to 2013 when we had the first draft of the script. 164 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,160 And back then it was called sneaky tiger fatty dragon. 165 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,160 And the whole film, it was all children. 166 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,160 It wasn't a kids movie, but the whole movie was children. 167 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,160 And I thought it'd be fun to do a wild martial arts film with, you know, 168 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,160 made for adults, featuring children in the lead roles. 169 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Like all the villains would be children and all the heroes would be children. 170 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,160 And they'd be shooting and fighting and they'd be wild. 171 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:06,160 I love movies like Bad News Bears movies that have children in it that necessarily don't talk down to children. 172 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,160 You know what I mean? A lot of kids movies are talked down to kids like they're like, like, 173 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,160 like, like, special needs or something. 174 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,160 So that was my idea. Everyone in my circle, 175 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,160 who I pitched this to, no one was interested. 176 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,160 And I often got questions like, "Why do you want to make a kids movie?" 177 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,160 I'm not making a kids movie. I'm making a movie with kids in it. 178 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,160 But no one liked this idea. 179 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,160 And I should pre-facts that when he delivered that script in 2013, 180 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,160 we had he had delivered three scripts. 181 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Mark Paulis, I'll wrote this film, had three scripts. 182 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:45,160 Two of which were really cool movies that needed to be budgeted properly. 183 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,160 And I said, because we weren't making movies, we were trying to get these movies made. 184 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,160 We weren't making movies. I said the mark. 185 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,160 You know what our problem is? 186 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,160 We're showing this movie to producers. 187 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,160 We're trying to show this movie to investors to get money to make a movie. 188 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Why don't we just fucking make it? 189 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Why don't we take this script? 190 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,160 The key tiger fatty dragon. 191 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,160 And go out and make that movie. 192 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Because I think I can make that movie, post of the other ones. 193 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Like we did Jesus Christ Vampire and Harry Knuckles. 194 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,160 So that's why we chose that film. 195 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,160 But it had kids. 196 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 And no one was interested. 197 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,160 No one. 198 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,160 My musician friend Dave Beignon, who did bitch boots in this movie, 199 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,160 which is sensational song. 200 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,160 He did slush panties and Harry Knuckles. 201 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,160 He did Pearl Knuckles in the movie Pearl Knuckles. 202 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 He did everybody gets a late tonight. 203 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Jesus Christ Vampire and here. 204 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,160 He always makes a, my movie is 100 times better. 205 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,160 He gives these more serious winners. 206 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:39,160 And he looked at me one night and he was like, why, why do you want to make this movie? 207 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,160 So I kind of felt a little down about the film and I'm not blaming him. 208 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:50,160 And I went to a screening of the Rocky Horror Picture Show in Ottawa because we show the Rocky Horror Picture Show at the May Fair Theatre. 209 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,160 And there I was after the movie talking to Sam Kettaman, who stars in the film. 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,160 He plays crunch. 211 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 He does Rocky Horror Picture Show live on the stage. 212 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,160 And he was making me laugh. He knows a lot about film. 213 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,160 He's got a really particularly good taste in movies, which I like. 214 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,160 And I love talking to movie movies. 215 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,160 But he made me laugh sincerely. 216 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,160 And I left the main fair. 217 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,160 My cinemat went to the same bar where no one was interested in this movie. 218 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,160 And there was a hockey game on. 219 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Everyone was watching hockey and talking to me about sports. 220 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,160 And you ever talked to someone and you're not paying attention to anything they say. 221 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,160 You're looking through them. 222 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,160 I was looking through all these people because I was thinking about, wait a minute. 223 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,160 What if Sam started my movie? 224 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Maybe the movie's not about kids fighting crimes. 225 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,160 It's a drag queen fighting crimes. 226 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,160 That's the other thing I didn't have for this movie. 227 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Jesus Christ vampire care was at work. 228 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,160 And I got people involved because it was an easy pitch. 229 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,160 People would say to me, what's the movie about? 230 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,160 I'd say it's a Kung Fu action comedy horror musical about the second coming called Jesus Christ vampire. 231 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 I don't do it. 232 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Oh, I want to be a part of that everyone would say to me. 233 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,160 So I didn't have a good pitch for the new movie and I didn't have a good title. 234 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,160 And then I thought for myself drag queen. 235 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,160 The drag queen martial arts. 236 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,160 I don't think they've ever made one before. 237 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,160 And they could be called enter the drag dragon. 238 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,160 And I felt so excited about that title. 239 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,160 And so excited about the premise. 240 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Hockey wasn't on TV anymore. 241 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,160 And I was like, oh my god, it was like a year reek of moment. 242 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,160 You ever have a year reek of moment. 243 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,160 And then I got so passionate about this and I got on the phone the next day with the right. 244 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,160 I mean rewrote everything. 245 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,160 But we still the script is almost the same. 246 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,160 So the crowd because people laugh at all of it's all the parts of the movie that remind them of still a kids movie. 247 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,160 It's got this. 248 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,160 It's got this crunchiness friends all. 249 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,160 I'll have to be home for dinner. 250 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,160 You know, and then they still live with their parents and that's what's same like about it. 251 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Most of all the guy who plays crunch. 252 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,160 He said, I like your script because it's not about a drag queen. 253 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,160 The lead character just happens to be a drag queen. 254 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,160 And that's what works about it. 255 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,160 Yeah, so all those chips fell in the place that way. 256 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,160 That's a long answer to your question, but I like telling that story. 257 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,160 You said that Sam plays crunch, but many people play crunch. 258 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,160 And I'm curious is that a are you being super avant-garde? 259 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Are you being looped and well? 260 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,160 That's so lins or is it just we needed to change because this project was taking so long. 261 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,160 I wish I could be all those people admire those filmmakers. 262 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,160 And sometimes it seems out of my grasp. 263 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,160 This is what happened. 264 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,160 People love art as say absolutely no compromise. 265 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,160 I'm not making any compromise. 266 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,160 And I'm not calling what happened on our film over and over again. 267 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Lead me to compromise, but every negative thing that's didn't the way of getting this movie. 268 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Not made turned into a positive everything. 269 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,160 And it's amazing. 270 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,160 It's like the May fair theater. 271 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,160 I run a single screen theater across the street from a multiplex. 272 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,160 There's no reason on earth why our cinema should be open, but every time we run into 273 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,160 wall, we leap over it gladly. 274 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Three negative turns into a positive. 275 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,160 So that happened here. 276 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,160 But it was 2018. 277 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,160 I had a script rating with the entire cast and crew. 278 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,160 We had our first draft of the intro the drag dragon. 279 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,160 And I had the entire cast and crew sit down at the May fair theater and put a three long 280 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,160 tables and we read the script all together. 281 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,160 It was really exciting. 282 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,160 I was looking forward to doing it and we're going to start shooting within that week. 283 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,160 What happened just before I sat down at my table is I got a call from Newfoundland, which is a province 284 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,160 out east here in Canada. 285 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,160 That my mother was second she was dying. 286 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 And she didn't have very long to live. 287 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,160 And I sat down at the script rating. 288 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,160 This time it wasn't so much I was looking through so many instances. 289 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,160 Explain to that how you're I was there. 290 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,160 I was present, but one point had to take a break from the read. 291 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,160 To go call my dad to tell him that mom was dying. 292 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,160 So we got through the script rating and I didn't tell anybody. 293 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,160 I kept it to myself the next day realizing I can't start this movie next week. 294 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,160 I need to put the breaks on a little bit. 295 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,160 And so I put the breaks on a little bit and my mother went to the hospital. 296 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,160 We did all that chemo stuff. 297 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,160 And I had I should say I had a very positive experience of my mother did pass. 298 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,160 And I had a very positive. 299 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 It was really great because I spent all my free time with it. 300 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,160 In the end of the hospital I said to mom, I'm going a little nuts. 301 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,160 You know what would take my mind off your passing a little bit. 302 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Give me a break. 303 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,160 Let me go make my movie on Saturday or Sunday. 304 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,160 Let me take my mind off of this for a few hours and I'll come back. 305 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,160 I would be with my mother from Monday till Saturday and shoot on a Sunday. 306 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,160 That's how we started and we were shooting here and there. 307 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,160 And so I was only shooting a couple hours a week. 308 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,160 And then when she got really sick, I'd have to stop. 309 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,160 And then she could better when shoot again and then she could sick. 310 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:38,160 It was a hard start and then when my mother did die, COVID started. 311 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,160 Oh my God, just when I thought I was getting okay my mother passed a month went. 312 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,160 But I need to make this movie because the movie became therapy. 313 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,160 It kind of gave me it was like my kryptonite. 314 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,160 I was so down above my mother passing. 315 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,160 She gave me my love for movies and Star Wars. 316 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,160 Let me make this movie and get my mind off of things. 317 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:02,160 But COVID started and Sam told me too because we were having all these slow starts. 318 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,160 And he said to me, I'm now, I've got a job. 319 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,160 He got a serious job. 320 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 I can't be available every time you're available now. 321 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,160 And I thought Sam, I need to make this movie because my mother passed away. 322 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,160 And I just, I haven't made a movie in 10 years at that point. 323 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,160 I need to make this movie. 324 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:27,160 And I have this idea of changing the lead actor, but not replacing him. 325 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:33,160 And I thought to myself, it could be really funny, but I can't change him once after changing twice. 326 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,160 I have to make each actor the movie a different leading actor. 327 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 And if I can do that, then I think it's really funny. 328 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 It was inspired by two movies. 329 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,160 One of which was a manual for. 330 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,160 I don't know if you know the manual movies. 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,160 But the Civic Ristel played a manual in the first three. 332 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,160 The side of she didn't want to really be in part four. 333 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,160 So she filmed the sequence at the beginning of the movie. 334 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,160 She goes to get plastic surgery. 335 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,160 They put the bandages in her face and she comes out against the different actors. 336 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,160 A younger man, you know. 337 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,160 And then in walking tall too, that happens again. 338 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,160 The lead vigilante goes get shot. 339 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,160 He gets into a car accident at the end of part one. 340 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,160 And part two opens and then take his bandage off to different actors. 341 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,160 And I always thought that was funny. 342 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,160 And I wanted to do it in Harry Knuckles actually. 343 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,160 It was an idea I had for Harry Knuckles. 344 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,160 That he would die come back a different actor. 345 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,160 So here it is. 346 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,160 And try it and sand game it the permission to move forward that way. 347 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Sam, I'm going to keep everything I shot with you in the movie. 348 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,160 But I'm now going to shoot the second act with Jay London. 349 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,160 I'm going to set shoot the third act with Matt Mewa. 350 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,160 And when I watch the movie with audiences, that's their favorite part of the film. 351 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Then you know that guy was the musician who did slush panties. 352 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,160 He told you that he didn't. 353 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,160 He wasn't interested in all the movie. 354 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,160 It was about to make. 355 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,160 I showed him drag dragon like before in the music was put in. 356 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,160 And he loved when crunch turned into Jay London. 357 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,160 He was like, holy shit Lee, that's brilliant. 358 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,160 It worked so well. 359 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,160 And I was so used to watching it. 360 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,160 I didn't think it was a big deal anymore. 361 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 I forgot the magic of cheating changing the lead actor. 362 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,160 And I was so happy that the guy who wasn't interested in this movie. 363 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,160 Originally was so interested now what was happening. 364 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,160 So it was a negative. 365 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,160 When your lead actor says I can't finish your movie. 366 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,160 And we finished it anyway. 367 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,160 And he gives me his blessing. 368 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,160 Negative to turn into an extreme positive. 369 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,160 And glad to hear that it was. 370 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,160 Amicable because there was always the fear of. 371 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,160 Oh, this person walked off. 372 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,160 So I'm so glad that that happens. 373 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Because I was you must have then had to have shot everything in sequence or just about everything. 374 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,160 I started off that when I often don't. 375 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,160 But you know what. 376 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,160 I love hearing about movies that are shot in sequence. 377 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,160 It never happens. 378 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,160 They shot ET in sequence, which makes a lot of sense because the kids fall in love with 379 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,160 them. 380 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,160 them. 381 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,160 And then moving when they're thinking about ET to really saying goodbye to ET. 382 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,160 It's beautiful. 383 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,160 That the decision making when filmmakers make a movie with a budget. 384 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,160 She didn't sequence. 385 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,160 I think it's lovely. 386 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,160 But with Sam for some reason we started off making this movie because as the movie goes along the third act is all action. 387 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,160 And I have a pepper it with a few actions. 388 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,160 We just ended up shooting a lot of the first act first. 389 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,160 But when I got after my mom passed and we started to kind of make in the movie. 390 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,160 I just thought I would be really helpful. 391 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,160 I shot all the big scenes. 392 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,160 And I mean, here's the summer. 393 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,160 Let's shoot all the big scenes. 394 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,160 Let's shoot the skydiving sequence and all the martial arts fighting at the end. 395 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,160 So I did all the big fighting first. 396 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,160 So then it thought maybe it would feel easier to finish it with dialogue. 397 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,160 Didn't always feel better easier because of that. 398 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:39,160 But once we went with the route of shooting with three different actors as the lead, we shot the action stuff first. 399 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,160 So if you're watching the movie, it's fun sometimes to think about what's the first scene. 400 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Greg Sister was the very first thing we shot on the movie. 401 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,160 He's seen as the young pilot. 402 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,160 I found a pirate ship about a 90 minute drive from water while we went to shot on Greg was in town. 403 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,160 I said, "My mom knows Greg." 404 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Oh, go shoot what your friend Greg Sistero. 405 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Yeah, so that's that. 406 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:09,160 Yeah, it was really fun. It felt like the movie kept coming alive. 407 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,160 Every change that happened. Everything that happened. 408 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,160 It felt like I was starting on a new movie. 409 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,160 I felt so exciting. 410 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Where am I last film? I hated being unset. 411 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,160 I was trying to get through the days. 412 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,160 I wasn't trying to make a good film. 413 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,160 This time I felt like we were making trying to make the best film. 414 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,160 Because with no budget, keeping in mind there's no budget movie. 415 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,160 There was no producer involvement. There was no investors in the moment. 416 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,160 I didn't get any grants to make this movie. 417 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,160 We took a camera. I would friends. I made the best movie. 418 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,160 And Jesus was a fun. 419 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,160 It was like a roller coaster ride. 420 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,160 You never hear that. 421 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,160 You never hear stories about production being fun. 422 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,160 A lot of people say, "Oh, my favorite thing is editing." 423 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 And you hear expressions like, "Oh, I'm going to fix it in post." 424 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,160 This wasn't that kind of movie. 425 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,160 We had more fun on sat than we did any in any other procedure of making the movie. 426 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,160 I really think that comes through. 427 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,160 It comes through that. 428 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,160 It is a bunch of friends making a movie. 429 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:07,160 So that's why I figured that there was an amicul departure of Sam just because it just feels like such a kind of like Andy Hardy. 430 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,160 Let's go put on a show type of thing. 431 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,160 I really appreciate you saying that. 432 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,160 First, Sam was amicul. He was great. 433 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,160 And he was championed Jad London. 434 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,160 And Matt, me, well, he looked up to Jad London. 435 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,160 He was the only real drag queen in the movie. 436 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,160 And I know Sam looked. 437 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,160 I told Sam that we got Jad London for the movies. 438 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,160 You got Jad London. He was so excited. 439 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,160 But yeah, he said something else there was going to talk about it. 440 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Oh, when you said about it, it seems like it was a bunch of friends. 441 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,160 It seemed like it was when you watched the movie, you got the sensor having a good time filming it. 442 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,160 That's my favorite thing about Jad Kichan movies. 443 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,160 But those early movies and the 80s into the early 90s, 444 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,160 you can tell they were on set making things up as they went along. 445 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,160 It comes across through the lens. 446 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,160 And that's something you don't learn in film studies. 447 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,160 That's something you don't get better at. 448 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,160 When that happens, magical. 449 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,160 When an audience recognizes that, it's magical as a viewer. 450 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,160 I love noticing that in the movie. 451 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Sometimes it's better than anything that Lube and Wale could come up with. 452 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,160 So how did COVID end up affecting you? 453 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,160 Did you have to shut down or were you shooting just outdoors things? 454 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,160 How did that go for you? 455 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,160 Yeah, when COVID started, it was really serious. 456 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,160 And in Ottawa, we hit my business shut down. Everything like we've closed. 457 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,160 No one was walking the sidewalks. 458 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,160 Months were to go by, we were tackling anything. 459 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,160 And when I thought I could start something, 460 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,160 we would a few days before getting the set and someone will tell me, 461 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,160 "Oh, I was with someone who got COVID or only. 462 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,160 I can't make it after all. 463 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,160 I used to be able to drive and pick up people to bring them to set. 464 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:47,160 If we were shooting with five people on set, five cars had to go to set because we couldn't all be in the same car. 465 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,160 So yeah, we shot mostly when COVID was serious. 466 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,160 We shot mostly just in the spring and summer outside. 467 00:21:53,160 --> 00:22:00,160 When we when society got better working in bubbles and we got to felt a little safer working in bubbles, 468 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,160 I was able to shoot in the winter at the May fair because the May fair was closed. 469 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,160 It's a cinema, a single screen of theater that I own here in Ottawa, 470 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,160 to big theater. 471 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,160 It's in the movie. 472 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,160 So that was that became our studio. 473 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,160 I could shoot in the May fair. 474 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,160 A lot of stuff were shot at the May. 475 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,160 All the hospital scenes when you see crunch getting his bandages taken off. 476 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,160 That's all shot at the May fair. 477 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,160 We did a lot of looping and dialogue and sound effects and stuff at the May fair. 478 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,160 The May fair, we did a lot of green screen work at the May fair. 479 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,160 Cutting heads off and stuff. 480 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,160 So the May fair became the working in the movie, crunch, 481 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,160 jaws and fast buck are worried that the May fair is never going to open again. 482 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,160 In real life, I was afraid the May fair was closed. 483 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160 I was living the fast, I was a became fast buck. 484 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,160 I thought I was going to not have a business. 485 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,160 And if I closed the May fair, what was the end of the movie going to be? 486 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,160 The happy ending of the movie is the May fair opens and that's the happy ending. 487 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,160 That cinema goes on. 488 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:05,160 If I lost that business, I'd have to come up with a new ending that had nothing to do with celebration of life getting back to normal. 489 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,160 One of those signs of life getting back to normal is being the joyous selves. 490 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Collectively in a room like a cinema. 491 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,160 So symbolic in so many ways. 492 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,160 I'm so lucky to do it that May fair still exists in for me when we finished the end of the movie. 493 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,160 And it allowed us to make the movie. 494 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,160 When the movie, you know, the movie, they live in the May fair and they watch movies. 495 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,160 They learn martial arts from watching movies. 496 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,160 And that was what happened over COVID. 497 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,160 We were, I was living in the May fair and I'd have screenings for the casting crew. 498 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,160 All the new movies and was our, it was our Lucasfilm Ranch. 499 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,160 [Laughter] 500 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,160 We're right there in the middle of Ottawa. I love it. 501 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,160 Or American Zoey Troper. 502 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,160 Yeah, I was so happy to see Philip Racka show up again. 503 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,160 Just as soon as he came on screen, it was just like, yes. 504 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,160 Yeah, it's exciting. 505 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,160 I know it's exciting. 506 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,160 I'm happy using the movie too. 507 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,160 It's funny. 508 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,160 We're showing in London in a few weeks. 509 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,160 Right after I'm going to London for the Star Wars celebration for four days. 510 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,160 And my wife said, oh, you should try to show your movie in London while you're there. 511 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,160 And we've got a screening right after the Star Wars celebration. 512 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,160 Wow. 513 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,160 I get to invite everyone, my hero, some Star Wars to come see my movie. 514 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,160 But it's funny when we go to different cities. 515 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,160 People often say, it's still going to come because they wanted to meet Harry Nuckles. 516 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,160 They want to meet Jesus Christ vampire. 517 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,160 It's funny, it's a movie. 518 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,160 It's nice. He plays the mentor. 519 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,160 The movie is about no one knows martial arts. 520 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,160 They watch these kung fu movies. 521 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,160 They know martial arts throughout the movie. They're not Jackie Chan. 522 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,160 They're not Bruce Lee. They're, bunch of people pretending to know martial arts. 523 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,160 My entire filmography is me pretending to be a filmmaker. 524 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,160 Pretending to know what we're doing. 525 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,160 And Bill playing that role as fast-buck if think is fitting. 526 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,160 And it might be his last role. He's talking about never making a movie again. 527 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,160 He's, he feels like, I think that's my last one. 528 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,160 I keep saying it. Even though we're another movie, 529 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,160 you might not see him in front of the camera anymore. 530 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,160 But sometimes in the middle of the night, if I get a shot in him, 531 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,160 you'll agree to do a role. 532 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,160 And if memory serves, there's a family connection to with the character of sugar tits. 533 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,160 Sugar tits? My dog. That's my dog. 534 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Yes. 535 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160 Yes. 536 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,160 My dog's name is Soka and real life. There's a Soka there. 537 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,160 Yeah, so sugar tits is my dog. 538 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,160 And it's funny. 539 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,160 I wife wouldn't be in the movie because she thought the movie was too crazy. 540 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,160 My daughter's in it. My son's in it. And my dogs in it. 541 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,160 Yeah. And it's funny. She's on 90. 542 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,160 B. My dog is listening to 90. 543 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160 B. Now, any actors want to be actors. 544 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,160 I know her dying to get on 90. 545 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,160 My dog's listening there. 546 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Sugar tits. 547 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,160 I think it's funny. 548 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,160 The wind did you finally put together the whole thing when was your premier? 549 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,160 Just a few months ago. 550 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,160 January 27. 551 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,160 Wow. 552 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Yeah. 553 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,160 Yeah. 554 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,160 It became a two day. 555 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,160 That one point. 556 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,160 It was going to be a 2020 movie. 557 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,160 And then the COVID happened. 558 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,160 It became a. 559 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,160 We tried to maybe 2021. 560 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,160 That I felt 22 to 22 was realistic. 561 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,160 And then it got to the point where it's. 562 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,160 We've never been a rush to finish this movie because of the way everything went. 563 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,160 Let's not be in a rush to finish it now. 564 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,160 Let's do the post production right and have the right music. 565 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,160 I love the music in this movie. 566 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 567 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 568 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 569 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 570 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 571 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 572 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 573 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 574 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 575 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 576 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 577 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 578 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 579 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 580 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 581 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 582 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,160 I'm going to be a little bit more. 583 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,160 It's almost the way they used to be. 584 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,160 Festival is continuing to operate during pandemic, but they went mostly all virtual. 585 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,160 They learned a different way of being a festival. 586 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,160 Now that we're out of the pandemic, are you feel like we're out of the pandemic? 587 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,160 Yes, I know I just caught COVID again the other day. 588 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,160 Wow. 589 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,160 Wow. 590 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,160 I hope you feel better. 591 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,160 I still have a lot of friends who are in the mask everywhere. 592 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,160 I know the guy who write Jesus Christ of App Hunter hasn't seen a movie in the theater since 2019. 593 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,160 He's ill afraid to go out. 594 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,160 But that being said, there it feels more normal than it's had a long time. 595 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,160 I think this summer will definitely feel I'm feeling in the few weeks I'm going to 596 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,160 get on a plane with no mask. 597 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,160 And I'm going to start a cyber celebration with no mask last time I heard one more mask. 598 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,160 So why did I bring all this up? 599 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,160 What was your question? 600 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,160 We were talking about how it's a different world now with film festivals. 601 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,160 So film festivals they went virtual. 602 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,160 And now that we're almost back to normal, a lot of them were still virtual. 603 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,160 And they haven't had a lot of them that haven't gone back to having people all together to watch film. 604 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:04,160 So I feel like with this film, now that it's out, I'm relying, it's weird when I made Jesus Christ of App Hunter and Harry 605 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,160 and Nucleus, I really relied on film festivals to get the film out there. 606 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,160 But now that I own a movie theater, I go on a movie theater with some partners. 607 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:17,160 But I program movies, I've gotten to know some cinema owners or at least I know how to approach other cinema as about showing a movie. 608 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,160 So I've been relying on looking movie outright doing straight bookings. 609 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,160 I'm showing in five different cities in Ontario. 610 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,160 We're doing a screening in Brooklyn, New York, London, England, LA. 611 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,160 We are doing film festivals. 612 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,160 Most of the big screenings are straight bookings of the film, which is feel like her 613 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,160 She's going to live a small wall in the movie. 614 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,160 I'm going to film festival on Saturday in North Bay, Ontario. 615 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,160 We won four film festival awards, and every time you win or every time you get, you know film freeway? 616 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,160 Yes. 617 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160 The way you submit to film festivals to film three way. 618 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,160 And it's a social media hub for filmmakers submitting their movies. 619 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:01,160 So if you get into a film festival, if you're lucky enough to win in a film festival, they say you should 620 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,160 keep this to celebrate. So I just press a button tweet. 621 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160 And every time I tweet an excellence, I hear from other film festivals. 622 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,160 Oh my god, congratulations. We want to show your film. Here's a discount code. 623 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,160 So film freeway is in a great in terms of really getting it out there. 624 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,160 I'm getting a lot of, I haven't made a movie in 14 years. 625 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,160 And my last two films weren't film festival friendly movies. 626 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,160 So a lot of, a lot of change. 627 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160 I'm learning the sort of social dynamic about film festivals. 628 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,160 And I'm getting it now too. You just upload your movie and send them a link and boom you submitted. 629 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,160 It's like there's no more printing forms filling it all out. 630 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160 Faxing it and sending it getting your film entrance into the VHS. 631 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160 It's so easy. It costs still cost money. 632 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,160 It's easier to submit my movie to a film festival than time I choose. 633 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,160 I'm really glad to hear that you're showing this in theaters rather than just all virtual. 634 00:29:52,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Because I think the experience of seeing this movie with an audience is so crucial because you get the feed off of that energy and enjoy how other people are enjoying it. 635 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,160 And mentally, yeah, I've seen the film eight times with a theater audience. 636 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,160 And it's yeah, you can sit there and hear people laugh the way they laugh. Oh, 100%. 637 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,160 And not only that I learned being around filmmakers like Chrisman Glover. 638 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,160 I don't know if you're Chrisman Glover's movies is a director. 639 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,160 He's mostly known for his acting, but he's directed to your three movies that he's never transferred to home video. 640 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,160 They shot them 35 millimeter and you can't see them unless you see them in a theater with him. 641 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160 And I thought that was really neat. 642 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160 You got here's this movie. You can only see the theater. You can't down. 643 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:42,160 But as so many people who don't want to come see movies at the May Fair are they'll just wait for it to come on home video or streaming services, which is mostly now these days a week later. 644 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:48,160 Looking movies at the May Fair that are hoping that I'll be on the stream platform in a week, which is sad. 645 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,160 Tree of the industry dies, they're going to look back to now and how things operate. 646 00:30:52,160 --> 00:31:03,160 But I'm not sent anyone an MP4 or a blue ray or DVD. I think right now we've been out for three months and there's no way. 647 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,160 I don't think for anyone to bootleg this movie. I've not made it happen because I'm a great sister. 648 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:14,160 I think it was always another one. Just watch how careful they are with who they show the movies to. 649 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:20,160 So the key people getting people to come to see movie in the theater. Like the room is still the best way to see that movie in the theater. 650 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:28,160 And I don't think a lot of people look to Tommy was as an inspiration, but I know Tommy was on. I look to him for as an inspiration. 651 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:35,160 You got to look at these people sometimes as a showman rather than an artist like Lloyd Kaufman is the best showman I know. 652 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:41,160 He's not moving well. All Thomas Anderson or anything like that. But he knows how to market his movie. 653 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:52,160 If you took away the marketing machine from the best filmmakers in America right now, World Wide Right now, they wouldn't know how to release their movies as well as Lloyd Kaufman does. 654 00:31:52,160 --> 00:32:00,160 So my hats off to him and always will be because he showed me. I read about how her shagrown this was a showman. I read about that and Roger Korma. 655 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,160 But I experienced it Lloyd at the Cannesville Festival a few times and it's really something. It's really inspiring. 656 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:12,160 It's got all these naked girls running around throwing up vomit and blood guts, but it's inspiring. 657 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,160 Just look, no one's paying attention to Jean-Clobe Van Damon. Isn't it moving anymore? 658 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,160 They're all paying attention to the light confidence showman ship. 659 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160 Really cool. 660 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:30,160 So I know you've got some screenings and festivals. You're going over to the Star Wars celebration made the fourth week with you. 661 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,160 What else is going on for you? Of course you've always got the mate for his business that you run. 662 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,160 But are you now already starting to think about that next thing that's going to set that fire for you? 663 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,160 Because it sounds like you had such a great time. 664 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,160 I know. Like I said, I wish I was still filming it. We have another movie idea at mine. 665 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:54,160 The Dictos movie. I'm moving about at private detective who has 10 Dicts or Toes who's in there to the drag dragon. 666 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160 And everyone's expecting me to make that movie. We got such a good idea for the movie. 667 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,160 So many good characters and it feels like another answer to the drag dragon, which I'd love to make. 668 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160 But the industry is so different now too, right? 669 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:13,160 It's like, I was so inspired to make Jesus Christ vampire and Harry Knuckles because of the way film festivals received it. 670 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,160 And I was going to show it in cinemas with a film festival or not. 671 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160 With so exciting, but no one wants to leave their house anymore. 672 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,160 So people are so used to now waking up. Oh, there's a new episode of the Mandalorian. 673 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,160 They don't have to get it in bed. This wake up turned on TV and there's Star Wars. 674 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,160 A Star Wars movie, which seemingly seems free on your TV and people are so used to. 675 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,160 All that was on prime and Netflix, Disney, plus Paramount, plus there's an AMGM plus apparently. 676 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,160 But for me, it's about the cinematic experience. It's about going to a movie theater. 677 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,160 She's my partner at the May Fair Theatre won't go see a movie in the theater. 678 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,160 He asked me for a screener on the movie. 679 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160 It's like, oh man, hard times. 680 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,160 So that part of my inspiration making a movie might be gone a little bit. 681 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,160 But I do really want to make this film and might start shooting in next year. 682 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,160 I think I'm really busy getting this film out to film festivals. 683 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160 I'm programming at the May Fair and I'm pushing this movie as far as I can. 684 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:16,160 I'm going to go to London. I think after June after June, we might get a national. 685 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,160 We might be able to release the film in every major. 686 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,160 It looks like Santa Paxioteva, I'm just going to release the movie first across the country in June. 687 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,160 After that, maybe I can sell that a little bit and concentrate on this script. 688 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:33,160 And have a script ready by the winter and start shooting in the spring or summer at the new, the Dictos movie. 689 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,160 I really like that to happen. It's a big, big, big. 690 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160 I have one point I thought I would maybe shooting again on 16 millimeter. 691 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,160 But we had such a fun time with the digital effects on this film. 692 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,160 I don't know. I'm excited about this film. 693 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Let's hope that's how it stands for about it. 694 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,160 There's some things about this industry. 695 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,160 There's a little bit of a put down. 696 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160 Because I'm running a movie theater and watching people I know not come see movies. 697 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:59,160 I know producers who live across the street who haven't seen a movie in the theater in a decade. 698 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160 It's sad. Everyone's so useless staying in home. 699 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,160 And I may see Netflix movie nominated for Best Picture of the Academy Awards. 700 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,160 I watched the Oscars. I like watching the Oscars. 701 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:15,160 But every time I'll quite on the Western fun, one or Panokeo, one, I was like, "Buck off. I love Game of the Toro." 702 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,160 And I'm not trying to put the filmmakers down, but they make a deal with the devil. 703 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,160 And that loser is the audience. 704 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,160 The Gehrman Toro just announced he's doing Frankenstein for Netflix. 705 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,160 That's really fucking exciting if I get to see it in a movie theater. 706 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,160 Sitting at home watching it at home just like watching an episode of Signed Fell. 707 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,160 It's not really care. It's just there. 708 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160 I'm excited to go see John Wick tomorrow night. 709 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,160 In the theater where the crowd, I'm excited to go see Jackie Chan's new movie. 710 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,160 That's opening at the May Fair in April. 711 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,160 Because I'm seeing it in the theater. 712 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,160 It's unbelievable. 713 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,160 I'm lucky enough to bring my son and we'll sit there and and 714 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,160 gush over these big screen experiences. 715 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,160 It's hard to be excited for the new Martin Scorsese. 716 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160 Martin Scorsese is making movies for Netflix. 717 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,160 It's ideal with Netflix. 718 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,160 I book movies with them. It makes me feel disgusting inside. 719 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,160 It's knowing that they're just using me to show their movies that they can get nominated. 720 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,160 They want to show that prove the Steven Spielberg whoever's pissed off that they're getting nominated. 721 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,160 We showed the actor for a week. 722 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,160 We'd be care about it if anyone came. 723 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160 We showed it for a week. 724 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,160 They do all these awful things. 725 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,160 I don't know. I don't want to be negative. 726 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160 We need to come. I hope we come out of the other end of this. 727 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,160 There's a few films out there though that are inspired. 728 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,160 There's a few films out there that are still not available on streaming. 729 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,160 Films like living. 730 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,160 Living and what's there's certainly the film is came out like that. 731 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,160 I was so sad. 732 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Living is one of our big films of the year. 733 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,160 There's three, I can't even think of the other two right now. 734 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,160 But I love seeing a movie out there doing well at our cinema. 735 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,160 That's mostly just because it's not streaming right now. 736 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,160 We've been talking gangbusters living gangbusters for us. 737 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,160 Means a lot. 738 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,160 And I can say, "Why is it well because it's not streaming anywhere?" 739 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,160 Fuck you Netflix. I'm sorry. 740 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:10,160 So if people are listening to this and they're just chimping at the bit. 741 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,160 Where can I see entered the drag drag and where's the best place so they can actually see if it's going to be at a film festival or a screening near them? 742 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,160 I'm sad. I used to have a website. 743 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,160 I used to have www.dissafilmerx.com. 744 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,160 You can follow me. I'm on Facebook. 745 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,160 Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Leader Marm, follow me there. 746 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,160 And you might find my watch is talking to me. 747 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,160 Follow me there. 748 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,160 And you know what? I'd love to hear from people. 749 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,160 If you live in a city and you don't see a show screening, let me know what theatre is near you. 750 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160 And I'll go, "Pimp my movie at your theatre." 751 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,160 That's what's happening a lot lately. We promoted the fact that we're going to be in London. 752 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,160 And someone in Scotland said, "Hey, you should show here." 753 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 So I'm going to reach out to the Scotland cinema owners. 754 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160 And that's a lot of fun. That's all these little dots connecting. 755 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,160 I imagine by the end of the summer or fall, it'll be streaming somewhere. 756 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,160 But right now, I hope your listeners who are interested at all get to see it theatrical. 757 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Yeah. 758 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,160 I hope you're saying to you, "Come follow me on Twitter and Facebook as attractive enough." 759 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,160 I can't tell that it is because no one's so many people I know are invoiting social media. 760 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,160 Thank you so much. It is always so great talking with you. I really appreciate this. 761 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,160 And I hope your listeners don't judge me based on the book above the Fetcher and Terran. 762 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,160 I know so many people hate it. But I'm got kids, don't judge me. 763 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,160 And I'm not interested in the John Waters. It's my hero. I'm a rustmire. I'm a hero. 764 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,160 And if you love those guys, I think you might look into the drag drag in too. 765 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,160 It's more like that than what's behind me. 766 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,160 But anyway, I do love what's behind me too. 767 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160 Thanks for having me because I'm really fun talking to you. 768 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,160 Thank you. I always greet talking with you, sir. I'm a good to catch up with you. 769 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160 I hope to catch up again with you soon. 770 00:38:51,160 --> 00:39:06,160 [Music] 771 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:32,160 [Music] 772 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:53,160 [Music] 773 00:39:53,160 --> 00:40:03,160 [Music] 774 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:13,160 [Music] 775 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:23,160 [Music] 776 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:31,160 [Music] 777 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:41,160 [Music] 778 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:51,160 [Music] 779 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:59,160 [Music] 780 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:23,160 [Music] 781 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:35,160 [Music] 782 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:44,160 [Music] 783 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,160 [Music] 784 00:41:51,160 --> 00:42:01,160 [Music] 785 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:09,160 [Music] 786 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:16,160 [Music] 787 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:26,160 [Music] 788 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,160 [Music] 789 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:41,160 [Music] 790 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:51,160 [Music] 791 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:56,160 [Music] 792 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:06,160 [Music] 793 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:16,160 [Music] 794 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,160 [Music] 795 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,160 [Music] 796 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,160 [Music] 797 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:41,160 [Music] 798 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,160 [MUSIC PLAYING]