1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,900 Told you he is, folks. 3 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:08,640 It's so time. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,920 People pay good money to see this movie. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,560 When they go out to a theater, they 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,880 want cold so that a hot hot corn in no monsters in the projection 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:17,400 booth. 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,240 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 9 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,040 Then it'll arms. 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 11 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 12 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:42,560 This is the color of a black baby. 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,360 It's a whole lot different than white. 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,360 [BEEPING] 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,360 I'm a devil. 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,360 He's a goddamn devil, man. 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,360 What kind of a-- [BEEPING] 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,360 If you let my devil sit in the hall of the guy's hand, 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,360 why don't you let him sit in the hall of the hall? 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,360 I don't know. 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,360 I don't know. 26 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,360 I don't know. 27 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,360 I don't know. 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Oh, go ahead. 29 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,360 I'll be with the ballman when you get the one down. 30 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,360 I'll do what he's doing. 31 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,360 What do you mean? 32 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,360 I'll take you. 33 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,360 I'll take you to the bathroom. 34 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 35 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Hey, baby. 36 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,360 10 on three. 37 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,360 Oh, man. 38 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Why are you going to cook me through our dish? 39 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,360 No, the go-in rate is 20 and 3. 40 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,360 Okay. 41 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,360 23. 42 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 43 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:42,360 Welcome home, brother Charles. 44 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 45 00:01:46,360 --> 00:02:00,360 You done the man's time. 46 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Now are you going to do ours? 47 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Hey, baby. What happened? 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Hey, man. You told me to wait a minute. 49 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,360 The bigger soap puts you in, all of sudden. 50 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,360 He's gotten cold for now. 51 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,360 Don't do this again. 52 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,360 Hey, baby. 53 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,360 Hey! 54 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,360 And I'll take it out. 55 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Oh, oh, baby. That's a deal. 56 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,360 24. 57 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,360 I need faster. 58 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,360 That's why I'm you to man. 59 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,360 The first chance I get. 60 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 61 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Welcome home, brother Charles. 62 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,360 A most impicture about the way it is, 63 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 and the way some people think it should be. 64 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,360 That kind of hatred brings on mania. 65 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,360 Look, I didn't come here to be called a maniac doctor. 66 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,360 Now, man, damn it cuts my man. 67 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,360 You're all not one of my supposed to do nothing. 68 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,360 Tell him to come downstairs. 69 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Come down for a moment, dear, please. 70 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,360 What's the butter, honey? 71 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 72 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 73 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 74 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,360 Hey. Hey. 75 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 76 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:12,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 77 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Why just sit down and hold on to that. 78 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 But you're a evil person. 79 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,360 I know. 80 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,360 Hey, hold on. 81 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:25,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 82 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 83 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,360 You're damn sweet. 84 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 85 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 86 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:55,360 [INAUDIBLE] 87 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,360 [INAUDIBLE] 88 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,360 [INAUDIBLE] 89 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,360 [INAUDIBLE] 90 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,360 [INAUDIBLE] 91 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,360 [INAUDIBLE] 92 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,360 I just want to call him. 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,360 I get back, I'll jump. I'll jump. I'll hold it. 94 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,360 [INAUDIBLE] 95 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 96 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Welcome home, brother Charles. 97 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,360 They tried to take everything, even as manhood. 98 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 99 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,360 Welcome to the projection booth at my house, Mike Whitejew and me 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,360 once again is Jackie Stewart. 101 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Hey, great to be back tonight. 102 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Also back at the booth, Mr. Gary Phillips. 103 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Thanks for having me back. 104 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,360 We conclude Black History Month with a look at Jamaf Anakas welcome home brother Charles. 105 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Released in 1975, it's the story of our titular brother Charles played by Marlo Monty. 106 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,360 He's picked up by the police and possibly castrated maybe for being too 107 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,360 upperty. 108 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,360 It made the crime and corruption of mid 70s Los Angeles. 109 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,360 We follow Charles as he's railroaded into jail and swears vengeance upon his release. 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,360 We will be spoiling this film as we go long. 111 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,360 So if you haven't seen welcome home brother Charles, please turn off this podcast and go watch it. 112 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,360 We will still be here. 113 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,360 So Gary, when was the first time you saw this movie and what did you think sir? 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,360 The first time I saw it, it's when you sent it to me. 115 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Wow, really. Oh boy, I can't wait to hear your reaction. 116 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,360 I have seen some other Mr. Vanocas films. 117 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Of course, you know the penitentiary cycle like I think I guess everybody knows of him through that. 118 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,360 But yeah, man, this was because as I said, I was actually surprised. 119 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,360 That was not surprised that of the film itself and that I know somebody in the film, 120 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,360 Sam and Grafria. I actually know two people, well, I know slightly. 121 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:55,360 But I know two of the camera operators at the end of the credits, you see Charles Vanette's a name. 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:01,360 And you see Ben Callwell and I've been called well, who's both of course is still around making films. 123 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:09,360 But Ben in particular, I know he runs a lovely community organization here in LA called the Chaos Network and they do 124 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,360 by our work around, still making and pop culture and accessibility, etc. 125 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Anyway, all that to say is that yes, so it was quite a treat. 126 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,360 Being having some knowledge of what the film was about. 127 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,360 I mean, that I had some knowledge of from my guess from some years ago, 128 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,360 but still being able to see the film, you know, all this glory was pretty good. 129 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,360 And Jackie, I bought you. It was one that was sort of a legend for years. 130 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:45,360 I, it's the unfortunate downside is that the reputation of the movie precedes itself in the big surprise 131 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,360 and sort of what everyone knows beforehand. 132 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,360 So I've known for years what I was going to get out of the movie, 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:58,360 but I figured the best possible way to give myself that introduction is to prepare for a show like this. 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:05,360 So I only recently watched it knowing all too well the basis of what to expect and I figured getting away 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,360 to discuss it with you guys will probably be the most interesting way to go about it. 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:14,360 And it is similarly, I was familiar with Jamafanaka, particularly because I've seen the first two penitentiary films. 137 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:23,360 I still need to see the third one because those were back in the early days of Netflix streaming when they would show interesting stuff that nobody else would 138 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,360 carry at the time or they could just, you know, they were still fighting with all the big distributors. 139 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,360 So I saw the penitentiary movies on there and whole bunch of weird stuff. 140 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:38,360 And I mean, like those, but like a wild time and streaming was interesting instead of just the only option that we had left. 141 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:45,360 So I knew the name, I knew that he made some very interesting, very singularly voiced stuff. 142 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:51,360 And seeing a student film of his knowing, knowing where it's going to go, 143 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,360 I could not pass up the opportunity to talk about it with you guys. 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Yeah, this was actually the first time I watched for me as well. 145 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:05,360 I again knew the reputation of the kind of notorious reputation of his film. 146 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:19,360 And I was honestly really pleasantly surprised by just how well put together this movie is because I was afraid, oh, Jesus is a student film that was shot on weekends and things. 147 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,360 You know, maybe Fonaka was too ambitious for what he wanted to do, but I don't think so. 148 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,360 I think he really pulled this together and I really think that Marlomonti does a great job. 149 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:36,360 I mean, so many of these like lower budget films just live and died by the performances. 150 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:42,360 And yeah, there's a couple like Clark key lines, but if that's more the writing than the performance, 151 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:49,360 because I think that performances are pretty solid, especially Marlomonti, and this whole movie is on a shoulders. 152 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:58,360 I was very happy with what they did with it. Now I'm a little confused by a couple things here and there, like reading reviews and it's like, oh, well, this happened, then this happened. 153 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,360 I'm like, I didn't get that. Like there are a couple things along the way where I'm going to be like, is that what you guys got? 154 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Because I didn't necessarily get this, but so it's kind of like held together by hopes and dreams sometimes. 155 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:24,360 But overall, it's pretty cool. And especially that we start with our main character on this ledge and this cop talk and to him just like, hey, I'm here to help you down to the da da da da da da da. 156 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:31,360 They bring this woman along on top of this roof and it's like, oh, well, here's your girlfriend and she's going to help us out. 157 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:37,360 And then we go to a flashback or we flash back to the whole beginning of the story. 158 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:46,360 And so this whole movie is basically a flashback leading to that moment back on the roof, which I always appreciate that, especially like, okay, well, how did this happen? 159 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,360 And it was really nice when you suddenly realized, oh, we're about to meet up with the beginning of the movie. 160 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,360 And you never know how long the flashback or how long the present is going to last after that. 161 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Could be like a JJ Abram saying where it's always like, you know, like two thirds of the way through that third act is in the present, but the rest was in a flashback, but this one, it's like, that's a 95% 98% is flashback and the other 2% is just this wrap around either end and it's very effective the way that he does that. 162 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Yeah, where the beginning of the movie is the end of the movie, you just get everything right in the middle of it. 163 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,360 And to me, all of these characters, you know, there's Charles, there's Twilight. 164 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:38,360 I mean, I was a little confused at times and I'm not saying this, you know, I'm going to say this is good sense super racist, but allow me to finish. 165 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:48,360 I was very confused by who was who in this movie, a lot of times people that like to me, but that was both the black people and white people because there were a couple times areas like how many cops are there. 166 00:10:48,360 --> 00:11:00,360 I would be here with the beard like the guy with the beard is the same as this guy, but he didn't have enough hair and so who is it's so there were a couple times where I was like, okay, now is Charles a pamper or there's no it's this other guy who's the pamper. 167 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,360 Right, Charles with the drug dealer. 168 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,360 Yeah, Charles is the drug dealer, that's right. 169 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:15,360 Low level, he's not really, how was it that Charles and the wife of the cop get together, but all right, okay, yeah, well, I will go with that we'll roll with that. 170 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:29,360 It was a case where I feel like a second viewing was almost necessary just to because it helped piece together, not really plot convenience necessarily, but just where everyone can oh, like, oh, that's the judge is doing one and all right, very right. 171 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,360 That's the guy we saw on the beginning, right, that's it. 172 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Yeah, because I like the first time. 173 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,360 Yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that guy by the time you got to the court. 174 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Yeah. 175 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Yeah, and like the prosecuting attorney, I was glad that they gave us a flashback to the prosecuting attorney because I was like, oh, okay, because I wasn't really sure. 176 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Yeah, and same thing with the judge as glad they're like, oh, see, he was this guy and I'm, oh, all right, all right, I got it now. 177 00:11:54,360 --> 00:12:00,360 There's the Pimp, who's another guy, there's Charles who's the low-level drug dealer. 178 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Is it the Pimp is buddy? 179 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Yeah, well, the Pimp is his buddy, but it's not peanuts though, right, because there's that guy that's like really gregarious in his friend, 180 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,360 but then there's, there's the Pimp has like the sunglasses, I think. 181 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Well, I guess, because when he goes when Charles gets out of jail, is it peanuts who shines him on sort of, is that peanuts is the other guy? 182 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:31,360 No, no, no, what, he goes to peanuts house and peanuts is really super nice to him and tells him about like where twilight's working at, and she's over at this bottomless club, I guess it was. 183 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Okay, that's a way to put it. 184 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,360 Yeah, the other guy, I'm trying to remember his name. 185 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,360 It's not JD. 186 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Andy is one. 187 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Yes, that's it, that's it, that's it. There you go, indie, that's right, that's right. 188 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,360 Yeah, I just straight up didn't even bother getting names the whole movie. 189 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,360 I just remember faces and when long with that. 190 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,360 That's it. 191 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:57,360 Well, I had to look what I have VV to get some some of the names, so I could be clear about, you know, yeah, that was it. 192 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,360 Well, we had when he said peanuts is name, I was just like, did he just call him peanut or what am I hearing here? 193 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Because there's twilight, but then there's the other other lady. 194 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:15,360 So like, twilight's the one who's a stripper and used to be a prostitute, but then there's the other lady who ends up being like Charles's girlfriend. 195 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:22,360 And I don't think she's a stripper. I don't think she's a foreigner prostitute. She seems like she's got her life a little bit more together. 196 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:35,360 I've been thinking about this movie in a lot of ways, right? So as we know, you know, as we've all, he's around the big, the the regio as it were toward the end, the anaconda of death. 197 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Was it because it started as a, is this thesis film was this was this thesis film? 198 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,360 I think it was, yeah. 199 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:50,360 And I guess maybe that was part of the constraints, so you couldn't really go full porn, right? Soft core porn is a balloon, right? 200 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,360 But it is interesting that it walks this really strange interesting light. 201 00:13:53,360 --> 00:14:00,360 In fact, I had a brief discussion with speaking of, I mentioned been call was one of the camera operators. 202 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:09,360 And so, and so this recollection is that it was he and, you know, we're talking about, you know, the perception of black men, of course, 203 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:19,360 with, you know, the film gets into our lot, uh, sweet, sweet back. And that's how then we get to this, to this film, uh, working home by the Charles, which is interesting. 204 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:28,360 And that, you know, some of the film, like Charles, when he gets out, he seems so, it's interesting to me that in some cases he seems very, he's that bitter, right? 205 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Or, or, or, seemingly he's that bitter. I mean, he's bitter, but that seems to sort of come on at a, at a kind of at a stage, right? 206 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Because initially, he doesn't seem to me. He seems to almost not have any drive when he gets out of prison. 207 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,360 It's not like he's looking for revenge or a smell of these, immediately looking for revenge. 208 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,360 It seems that the idea of revenge kind of comes to him at a stage. 209 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:57,360 To your point, when he gets out, he goes, he visits peanut, he just has, like, you know, kind of catches up with some people. 210 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:06,360 And the next thing you know, I think it's, is it him that shooting heroin because we get this shot of like, meat, or going into a little bit of a freak was in him. 211 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,360 Yeah, what's it him? Was it? 212 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,360 Yeah, I just took that as just random people on the street. 213 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Right. 214 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:21,360 They cut me out. There's so many people. That was honestly, you know, like, all the, all the visuals that stand out in this movie. That was the one that caught me off guard. 215 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:28,360 I was like, they just played it like you was your regular, you know, cool street montage, but it started with, yeah, just needle straight in the arm. It's fine. 216 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,360 Blood on the street. 217 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:43,360 And Charles is looking, I mean, initially he's looking for a square gig, right? I mean, he's not, you know, right? He's just trying to, you know, make a living and, and I go back to that, to that life that he lived before. 218 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:54,360 And there's a bit of, you see a bit of a kind of, I believe it's kind of a montage of his transformation in prison, not like you're not coming back, but still he is transformed as some extent. 219 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Oh, and I love that whole montage of the still images and then the desaturated, how they're like, it's not not black and white. It's probably blue and white. 220 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:12,360 And then some of the images, I think, are actual like, films like moving. And then others are just stills. And I thought that was really well done. 221 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:20,360 What if in 2023, you try to remake this movie, right? You know, you try to, you know, you know, the game, what do you said it now or said it then? 222 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:30,360 I mean, I guess it's really the way you could do it, right? Well, as soon as the way you could do it as a, well, maybe it is a way, I don't know. I don't know if you can do it. I know you can't do it. 223 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,360 It's interesting to me to think about it because I, because then I started going down that rabbit hole. 224 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:48,360 And it was funny too, because I was thinking about the sequels. And so I looked up the cop. So he's stopping Freeman's wife, who's Christina. I looked up the name or a different name in the cast. 225 00:16:48,360 --> 00:17:03,360 She played by a really linked Tiffany something, but anyway, but remember there was a sequence where it was, and I think it happened after the fact after the, the typical castration, where is it dealing with this and somehow, I mean, they both, 226 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:14,360 was buddy or both ice cops, and yet somehow they're doing dealing with a bomb at the, at LX, right? And he's, and he's running with the briefcase and maybe he's getting irradiated or maybe he's not getting irradiated. I'm not quite sure. 227 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:19,360 But that is that, that happens after the attacks, Charles, right? 228 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:26,360 Yes, yes it does. And that's being cross cut with Charles fucking that guy's wife. 229 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:32,360 Yes, okay. So it, that's right. That's right. That's right. Well, this guy's, well, risk in his life, Charles is banging his wife. That's right. 230 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:40,360 That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Cross cut with that with a beautiful footage of the, the airplane taken off. 231 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:51,360 Yeah, I kept waiting for the bomb to go off to be the orgasm. So that's right. That's right. So that does have a fully drives the castrate. 232 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,360 The castration scene is earlier than that. 233 00:17:54,360 --> 00:18:02,360 That's right. That's right. I just just rewatched it. And I was confused about the order of the order of events there. 234 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:11,360 That first 20 minutes or so, the first time around, it's hard to, to get a real grasp of exactly what's happening. 235 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:17,360 If you're not paying, like if you look away for a second and you look back, it's like a whole different scene is going up and every time. 236 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:42,360 And so I, I say all that to say, you know, in the in the remake or in the underground graphic novel version, I would want the bomb radiation bomb scene that happened for only because now you see in the, in the, and I'm not by the way, I'm also waiting to give us to how Luke Cage, you know, Luke Cage in the comics in 72, you know, gets his powers through an experiment in prison, right? 237 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:51,360 And so apparently, by the, by the, by the Charles gets his power because his, his, his, his, a member is reattached in prison or at least in jail. 238 00:18:51,360 --> 00:19:00,360 Anyway, all of the say that if Freeman were to deal with the radiation bomb earlier and he uses knife, like let's say, just for the sake of this argument. 239 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:07,360 And to, you know, help somehow make the bomb, it, it's, it's got, you know, cut wires of the knife or whatever it is. 240 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:25,360 And so on the Marvel colleagues version of that knife would become the irradiated object, right? So then when he tries to cut, Charles, it's the radiation, you see, they give him the special, the special powers all, I, that was, I was just thinking about that to the, I would want to clean that sequence up just so we're clear how you got that power. 241 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:35,360 And then of course, I, I was soon going to do start with the African statue imagery in the title sequence with that great theme that they play there. 242 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:44,360 And then, while that I think you got to wrap that in the two, maybe the doctor who works on them, you know, maybe the statue was there in the operating room or at least the box office or something. 243 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,360 So we kind of, you know, tie those that imagery and that symbolism together. 244 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:54,360 Yeah, the order of events has strange even the idea of is he castred, isn't he not castred it? 245 00:19:54,360 --> 00:20:00,360 Because I think later on in the movie they say he was castred and I was like, I didn't really get that from that scene. 246 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:07,360 I just thought that guy took a knife to it. I didn't think about removal. Exactly. Yeah, because I think even that is part of the system. 247 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:15,360 Like, you were about to do it or you almost did it. And I thought there was some, you know, qualifier as opposed to yes, you really did it. 248 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:24,360 When the husband, Freeman, he confronts his wife, that's when the dialogue for me gets really kind of overriding. 249 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:31,360 And maybe little Gary for you. What another vicious rape case? 250 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:36,360 Much worse than that. Well, nothing's worse than rape. 251 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:45,360 Spuck this guy's, he's married, about a few years. 252 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:56,360 Two kids, nice house, couple cars, you know, all the things that make a nice, happy old life. 253 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:03,360 A little wifey, you've just satisfied. 254 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:08,360 Did you come to have your boat and just satisfaction? 255 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:15,360 Seems like that. Shacks up behind his back. 256 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:19,360 You want to know a trauma path? 257 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:29,360 Well, the guy she was shacking up with turned out to be a dirty, bacon, no good, don't push it. 258 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:34,360 Turn me blind me, fat. You didn't have enough men, but to face me straight off. 259 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:39,360 No, you had to go through some gods, damn silly Panama, because you're not enough of a man. 260 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:45,360 That's why I meet a man. The first chance I guess, because no matter how many Mickey Mouse bombs, you disarm. 261 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:50,360 It isn't going to make you any more of a man that shriveled up thing down there, den players you. 262 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:58,360 But just like the way that she's demigrating him and his, what she called it, like that shriveled up thing between your legs kind of thing. 263 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:03,360 Just like a little clunky here and you add this thing together. And that's the other way. 264 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:08,360 It's not like they get into the horse. 265 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:11,360 I mean, she's still there when he gets out of jail for God's sakes. 266 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:16,360 And then they have this like kangaroo trial of just putting him on. 267 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:22,360 And that's where we see the judge. And we saw the judge earlier trying to pick up one of the prostitutes. 268 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:27,360 I think it might have been Twyla. And then we've got the, you know, the prosecuting attorney who's a real blowhard. 269 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:32,360 And yeah, they shoot a right into jail. And when we get into jail, that's when that theme comes back. 270 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:39,360 We've got that desaturated footage, the kind of lesgety use of the still images, which was really cool. 271 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:44,360 And then he gets out. And like you said, he tries to make that good life for himself. 272 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:50,360 And yeah, it really does feel like he's getting so frustrated because his girlfriend is able to hold a steady job. 273 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:56,360 And he's unable to do anything. And then it was kind of funny because when he starts 274 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:01,360 his plan of vengeance, he starts to take on different media roles. 275 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,360 Like, I'm the telephone repairman or I'm the guy with the water bottle and all this kind of stuff. 276 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:12,360 That's right. But that's not what that's. That's three out of seven. He's poor, right? 277 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:17,360 But we're going to lie. You know, the pizza delivery man, the repair man comes by and he winds up. 278 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,360 You know, I'm in the house. Why? So yeah, they get. 279 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:31,360 But I like I appreciate it that too because like later on in the movie when, you know, he's, you know, he's sneaks out on on his girlfriend to go on his path to revenge. 280 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:38,360 And he tells her he was just out looking for jobs. And so this every time he's doing that, he's just playing work to get something. 281 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:50,360 I didn't look at the time code to see how far long it takes, but really it's when he shows up at, I think it's Freeman's wife that he goes to first 282 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:57,360 as the telephone repairman and he comes in and it almost feels like she doesn't recognize him at first. 283 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:07,360 And, and, and he basically like takes down his pants and next thing you know, boom, she's got this fake it, look on her face and she is just completely 284 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,360 Literally hypnotized by his cock. 285 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:17,360 You directly and directly he just starts to give her all these instructions and she is helpless. She's completely helpless 286 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:22,360 because of looking at this man's cock. And it's amazing. 287 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,360 This is just a big eye on it. Is that what it is? 288 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:31,360 In the remake, you know, it moves like a compliment. 289 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,360 Yeah, maybe it's like a pendulum. Exactly. Exactly. 290 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:40,360 You know, to be fair, now there also needs to be got to use it on me too, right? You can't just use it on women. 291 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:44,360 We got to be playing fair. You got to be, it's all good. 292 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:48,360 I'm sure it's like going up to her ear and whispering in her ear. 293 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,360 Exactly. That's right. Oh my god. Oh, yes. 294 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:58,360 You know, a turn Freeman and bed together. She just wakes up, goes downstairs and then lets him in. 295 00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:59,360 Let's see. 296 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,360 Let's see. 297 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:11,360 And then we just get the the screams of Freeman and that look on Charles's face and then cross cutting to the wife who just again is completely deadpan. 298 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:17,360 But just we don't know. Like the first time I watched it, of course I didn't know who's going up. 299 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,360 But I was just like as an audience member, the first time seeing this, you would have no idea. 300 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,360 You have no idea. 301 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,360 You have no idea. 302 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:23,360 Right. 303 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:24,360 That's right. 304 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:25,360 That's exactly. 305 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,360 It did play some theaters, right? 306 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,360 Yeah. 307 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,360 I think so. 308 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:29,360 Yeah. 309 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,360 I mean, so that you kind of think, well, what? 310 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,360 I mean, I did, you got to head into the market. 311 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,360 I mean, I was like, well, how did he sell this movie? 312 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,360 Do these just dividers? 313 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,360 I mean, you know, he's just doing it himself. 314 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,360 I fool walling it, right? 315 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,360 You know, I was like, oh my god, I was, you know, 316 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,360 you know, talk about the midnight show, man. 317 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,360 I mean, yeah, to be a fly on the wall of that, like, first unsuspecting audience. 318 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,360 It's a holy moly. 319 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,360 What's the thing? 320 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:55,360 What do we watch in here? 321 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:59,360 And they're like, even knowing what to expect. 322 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,360 The whole time we go, they're not really going to do that, right? 323 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,360 And I like it. 324 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,360 Right away, by the way, my God, a little, a little article you said is where I get a 325 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:13,520 I guess at least what what of the aunt has a it's a job breaker 326 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:22,200 That shot he's back in town to get his peace of action only a movie man isn't all the other I guess that's the scrap of the film to a tea. That's all 327 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Cannot you with a word of it. I like get our 328 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:33,020 That's some drink and advertising air boy. I'd say I almost wish at there were more people for him to get his revenge on me because 329 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:38,900 What exactly exactly exactly because he's already defeated by the second guy 330 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:40,900 He's up getting to that 331 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,860 Preschooling at her long listen man. We got a scene of him swinging you know 332 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:49,100 What my bad boy, you know escape him 333 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:53,100 Oh, we're really not like dare double you know, I'm so scared 334 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:59,040 Listen man the remake would be so wrong. I'm so many levels 335 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,400 But it would be so much fun. You'd like a fucking polgo stick 336 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,540 Exactly exactly 337 00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:09,180 Lariat all kinds of things you can do with that bad boy come on 338 00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:16,240 It's one of the weirdest ways to go to just because it takes a long time for him to get fully 339 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,620 Racked him longer than John Holmes and the guy the prosecuting attorney is just like 340 00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:34,420 I mean he's just backing it in the walkers. I mean what is you know what is the the small white man more afraid of than the black man's big 341 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:39,900 She grace all he could be was trying to back up exactly 342 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:48,180 It also maybe a bit on the nose, but I couldn't help but notice it like it couldn't have been 343 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:52,600 Unintentional that the officer that pulled all the shit was named officer Freeman 344 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:55,740 What's right? 345 00:27:55,740 --> 00:28:01,700 Yeah, so he manages to kill that guy and then when he goes after the judge that's when the you know 346 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,220 The the quote unquote good cop like the one who 347 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:12,180 Left the scene when his partner was trying to cast rate Charles and I like how he was like hey 348 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:15,620 Yeah, what they'll punch his pilot you know, why's your hands a walk away? 349 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:19,460 Yeah, but good cop who dared to say hey, are you sure about that? 350 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:27,260 You see it well, they help me out just a couple bad apples, right? 351 00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:40,740 That's right. It's good. Yeah, yeah, I tell you. Oh, man, yeah, he is the one that goes to his psychiatrist and the psychiatrist is talking about Charles totally breaking 352 00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:50,660 Patient that's right. That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. What's right? And then the tells him about this dream that Charles had where he was able to do this 353 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:55,780 with his Johnson, but and so then it the light goes off over the guy said he's just like all right 354 00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:57,300 Gonna go save the judge 355 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:03,700 All things I did appreciate with that the psychiatrist though here in something that I feel like I still hear constantly today 356 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,140 You know when he tells the officer like hey, you know 357 00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:10,580 I'm you know, my services are open you know all the time and cops like well 358 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,500 I don't need me of that yet and he's like that's where you're wrong pretty much everybody does and they don't even know it 359 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:20,500 You know I was like well, that's a surprisingly open-minded thing that even now people haven't trouble happened there had 360 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,980 I tell you man, this is not really I guess I can't get out of the 361 00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:30,900 The notion that I did that man to try to remake this film you know 362 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:38,500 I graced her oh, man, you know, and we could I thought about it too because I realized that like I was thinking is there any way 363 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:43,780 You could retell this story and is there any other movie where you could get away with just that one 364 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:52,420 The twist in the one scene and then just because like most of this movie stands pretty well on its own is just kind of a pretty serious drama 365 00:29:52,420 --> 00:29:59,380 About a guy getting back you know getting his life back and maybe maybe going on a little revenge on the side in that one scene comes out of nowhere 366 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:01,060 And then the movie just came to you 367 00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:06,820 Then I was thinking like how many movies there there is no other movie in history where you could just throw that 368 00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:10,500 He like you can't just go through like two thirds of a death wish movie and then have 369 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:15,620 Bronson girl a giant dick and kill somebody with it and then finish the death wish movie that's right 370 00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:18,500 That's right, but but you know and you just gotta keep going. That's right. That's right 371 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:24,180 You know it was just another instrument in this toolbox as it were that's that exactly exactly 372 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:28,980 That might be it that might be it you know that you like that Charles 373 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:35,300 Right so to to my point you have obviously go you want a more people for him to to 374 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:40,100 Go through as it were to you know to exactly revenge and if he does different 375 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:45,300 Methods of death and then you know like you said like pour the end of the movie all of a sudden 376 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,260 You know like if the giant anticon of thing 377 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:52,420 It's strangle the guy and you will look wait where that go for 378 00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:59,380 And I'd love the way they film it like the between the legs and you see it to send down 379 00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:02,660 Is that when I think 380 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:08,820 The operation that's what it is that's right and they don't even say anything about it like at the end it's like 381 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:12,980 You know the guys like hey, I know you've got these physical problems, but don't worry 382 00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:17,060 You know we'll find it here or something you know it's like trying to talk the whole 383 00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:19,300 Countdown, you know don't worry Dave Edio 384 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,300 What will fix it? 385 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,620 be better. Oh, it's not really better. I don't want to be 386 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:27,060 Be better. I want to be low. Be crazy. Are you out of your mind? 387 00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:35,220 Yeah, and so our our quinoa code hero cop shows up and that's when we rejoin the movie and we go back up to the roof 388 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:37,380 And when they bring out 389 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:42,180 Charles's girlfriend, you know you're expecting her to be like Charles, you know, it's okay 390 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:43,780 You know work this out 391 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:51,380 Yeah, they want you to be safe. You gotta gotta and instead just her going jump and I'm like holy shit 392 00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:56,500 And then fucking freeze frame on her and then pull up this title card 393 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:02,980 Let them indulge and indulge their pride in thinking I am destroyed. It is a comfort to them let it be and I'm like 394 00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:05,380 Holy shit man 395 00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:10,980 Making the way for for the sequel man. I'm talking he used that bad boy to swing down off that roof 396 00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:14,900 We wrap that bad boy around that it bark. Yeah, you know boy 397 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,620 Good for real 398 00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:29,620 Lasse around the flag back what exactly did either of you watch the original trailer for it because it shows the whole day of movie 399 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:37,060 Yes, yeah, it's a while we show it in half minutes. Yeah, it's like four and a half minutes and it literally ends with her yelling to jump 400 00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:41,540 Like that's the old movie right there except for you know the scene 401 00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:46,580 That was I was shocked when I opened up this episode 402 00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:54,180 It's gonna be the radio trailer that I use which is much more effective I think and it's like a minute maybe minute and a half and just get through it 403 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:56,580 Because yeah, they even did this on 404 00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:00,500 Trailers from hell and the guys just like it's not that kind of a movie 405 00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:06,340 But let's just skip to the end where it's the big cock and it's like there is a little bit more to this movie 406 00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:10,340 I feel like that's just a lot about society for you that that's right 407 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:17,620 So these parallels right so of course I was like I said I was thinking about you know Luke Cage and how you know Luke Cage gets his power 408 00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:20,180 also from 409 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:24,980 Well, I mean, I guess we're not quite clear how brother trial gets his power exactly 410 00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:29,140 But you know like I said out one you're ready to it's so of course you know cage it's a power 411 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:33,060 from a actually it's a it's a racist guard 412 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:41,460 Caged volunteers was experiment in prison, but the racist guard knocks the scientists out and you know 413 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:42,900 Up's the uh up's the 414 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:48,020 Amperage as it were that you know try to kill cage because he and his guard are going at it and then of course 415 00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:53,940 And something me Amperage it gives Kate his steel hard steel hard a skin and it's super 416 00:33:53,940 --> 00:34:00,740 And but I was thinking so there's another interesting character not from comics, but this was a series of 417 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:02,580 Books 418 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:06,020 Paperback originals in the early 70s so a few years before 419 00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:13,380 This movie's like 71 at 72 this there was like six books about a character called I and I have a couple of 420 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:17,860 Some were or maybe I haven't been stored with my my so-called collection 421 00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:24,660 There's a character called Richard Abraham spay aka super spade. It was a black character written by a black writer 422 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:30,100 Super spade was was I guess a bit more intellectual than a chap a kind of in the shaft mode 423 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:35,220 But he had a super power not not necessarily this monster Johnson 424 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:41,780 But he could he could release a kind of some kind of um 425 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:49,140 Hyperferomon so would make a women go weak in the knees form so when he wanted to like when he needed to 426 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,140 You know doing his investigation 427 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:56,660 He would he would release this thing you know, release this power over over the women 428 00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:00,820 So I was thinking about that so I think by the in the context of brother Charles or again 429 00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:04,820 You know the remake maybe maybe he would control that kind of fair amount or maybe the 430 00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:06,340 Maybe 431 00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:13,700 Maybe your giant dick would talk and release it out of though, but anyway all this all this double sort of in my head when I what I keep thinking about the book 432 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:19,860 Well, I mean that's you know that's what they used to tell us that they had to embrace the power of jazz music to do back in the day 433 00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:25,300 It's funny to me because so much of this stuff is still with us 434 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:31,700 I mean and I think that historically this whole thing of black guys have huge cocks and they just like 435 00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:36,660 Basically hypnotized the women they're gonna steal all the white women away and I'll just got it 436 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:40,740 They I mean I don't know how long that's been going on, but I want to say at least 437 00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:48,020 150 years here in the United States you were Jake yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah something like that if not more and then you got 438 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:54,660 You know like now you go to like porno or x hamster and you're just like BBC all over the fucking place 439 00:35:54,660 --> 00:36:01,540 And just like the the way that the right wing headed ahead adapted the whole like calling somebody a cuck 440 00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:12,660 For a lot of time and it's just like well, you're not just talking about cuckolding somebody you're talking about cuckolding somebody with a black guy and like just making the the black man 441 00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:14,860 Just the piece of meat in that 442 00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:19,860 It's like super racist all all 443 00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:26,100 And weird and weird and twisted right sexual weird way like apparently you know and I 444 00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:31,860 Well, he's never listened to this but and I guess he's admitted this right Roger stolen the big you know 445 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:36,580 GOP hack guy apparently has you know paid 446 00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:42,820 Black men to services wife and he watches and I mean you know so it's all you right 447 00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:45,860 And he's the guy to get this got the big tattoo of Nixon on his back, right? 448 00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:48,340 But like well, what do you look how do you 449 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:51,380 Compartment well, how do you make sense of any of this man? 450 00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:54,100 It's it's something weird and it's twisted kind of thing 451 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,300 Yeah, it's pretty hard being a racist piece of shit, so 452 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,660 You know if anybody's got it's off it's them 453 00:37:00,660 --> 00:37:06,260 Yeah, you got to do so many mental gymnastics to make it all make sense. Yeah 454 00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:13,940 Speaking of Nixon did anybody notice the scene where it was it was it was a twilight that was dancing in the two-piece 455 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:19,060 And there was a there was a poster behind her and it looked like Richard Nixon 456 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:24,900 But with a devil face sitting on a toilet and I really really want to get a better look at what that poster was 457 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:30,420 Oh, that's it looked like that's great though. I'm sure that must be yeah, that's not perfect of course 458 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:34,900 Yeah, that's some of the best set set decoration I've ever seen it right on right on 459 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:42,020 And not now usually right at me just to back up for another second Nixon Nixon made it 460 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:48,580 Want me back to top of the heat just pretty back to super spade why just mentioned which is written by 461 00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:56,760 Joe Green under the BB Johnson was the was the pseudonym but Joe Green had anything career-perleaves like a musician and it wrote very 462 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,700 Be Johnson big black Johnson. I 463 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:08,820 That was that was the pseudonym that he used sir. I just passed those things along. It's not me. Okay. All right. Sorry 464 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:14,900 You just like said it so now the July and why not talk about it? I'm not but Joe Green 465 00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:21,300 Apparently because I was reading about on my friend Kevin Smith's the link detective site 466 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:26,660 Which is where I went back to look up super spade so Joe Green apparently did some 467 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:32,820 Unquid and writing on top of the heat how about that for a small world after all so there you go 468 00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:40,420 I really liked the sequence that we're talking about earlier that starts with that kind of disconcerting heroin abuse 469 00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:47,660 But then goes into almost like documentary footage of just people on the streets and get to see 470 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:55,220 Charles and learn the worst hours but then just like kind of go around. It's like you know this guy dance in these people just drinking on the street 471 00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:59,940 And I was just kind of like you know like little kids just kind of like slice of life stuff and I was like 472 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,660 That's really cool and like it was a good way to you know 473 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,940 Wink then the movie out a little bit but also it's just like such a nice time capsule 474 00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:16,660 Yeah exactly yeah, as soon as I started dancing for cameras like oh, this isn't they they don't they don't know 475 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:17,860 They don't know they're in a movie do they 476 00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:21,780 I think you just turn the camera on on some people and got some good footage out of it 477 00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:27,220 The scope of this I think you know you mentioned that this was kind of like a stasis film and I think it was supposed to be 478 00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:32,980 I'll let sure but Fanaq is just like no, no, I'm gonna do a feature. You know, I've already done a short 479 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:35,540 I want to do a feature now. I was just like 480 00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:41,620 So ambitious and I think that was his whole thing was just like pushing pushing pushing and always trying to like 481 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:45,220 Do do better with his next one and so you know 482 00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:51,700 He would just kept improving his craft every single film and because this is no slouch man. This is that 483 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,300 I would not be disappointed and it's funny right? 484 00:39:55,300 --> 00:40:01,860 Did it in these folks ever go on well Sam does yeah, but do we know that others in the movie? 485 00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:03,860 I guess I guess 486 00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:07,620 Maddie never did nothing else really right is that true? I don't think he yeah 487 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:10,340 I don't find anything and I thought you know 488 00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:15,620 He's really what holds that movie together like yeah, no, I thought he had I thought there was time really is you know this 489 00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:18,900 Right over that oh well, yeah, this cat you know, it's got something going on you know 490 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,940 Yeah, like you had a great voice a great delivery like he was a natural with everything when he flipped that switch 491 00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:28,260 Whether those moments you know where like the women are in trans, but he's kind of in a trans too 492 00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:32,660 And he's just staring at the camera and he gets all sweaty and like this dude had it 493 00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:40,100 But we only got to see one time just a damn shame the woman that played Carmen the his girlfriend 494 00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,700 She went on to do 495 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:50,420 Rethagre I think her name is she's it was an at least 75 things including an episode of the upshaws that just come out 496 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:54,580 I'll be there. Well right on excellent right now. There we go. Yeah, she's she's still working 497 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:56,580 I'm being honest 498 00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:02,660 It's like it's a sand sand still working too. So there you go. At least you've got you got out of the grip. I think I don't have the 499 00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:07,300 Yeah, yeah, that's it yeah, and one of the I think it was the top 500 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:12,740 Yeah, the gym coming in I think it was the cool quote good cap 501 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:20,340 He went on to do a bunch of stuff as well only like 23 things but I'll be talking about him again 502 00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:26,260 Later this year I think when we're covering walking the edge which I think just also came out 503 00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:33,220 Nice ploo ray as well, but yeah, it's one of those where it's like okay who went on to other things and they 504 00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:40,020 We didn't and it's like 90% of the cast didn't and they're probably probably a lot of like people effort 505 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:45,220 I can do maybe people in theater. I mean the guy the place peanuts Charles D Brooks the third 506 00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:49,460 I thought he was terrific and I kind of was like I'm gonna hang out with this guy. He's seems so nice 507 00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:55,780 Oh and you know you mentioned in this this word association you mentioned walking the edge made me think of something 508 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:01,860 I also briefly thought of during this which like for the most part is not similar, but I thought a walking tall and how the difference there 509 00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:06,020 This one a white man pisses off a bunch of white people they just cut up his chest a bunch 510 00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:07,060 That's it 511 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:07,780 That's right 512 00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:10,980 Well, the black man does it they take a lot more person 513 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:13,940 Exactly, that's right. That's good point very good 514 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:18,340 This is right. There's no way brother Charles is gonna get to take over the uh take over the police department 515 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:21,620 I thought I wish you would oh, man 516 00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:23,780 What a 517 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:27,380 Yeah, I mean they both dude walked all in tear your pigs 518 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:36,580 All right guys, let's go ahead and take a break and we'll be back with an interview with actor Sam and grapheo right after these brief messages 519 00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:41,220 Hi, I'm Jason and I'm jewels and we do in filmographies 520 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:48,020 We've compiled a list of actors. We draw a name at random and tackle their entire acting filmography from start to finish 521 00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:54,580 Or at least as much of it that still exists and hasn't been lost to time Jason loves actor Billy Crudup and films like 522 00:42:54,580 --> 00:43:01,300 Jesus a son or almost famous, but will he love Billy and movies like Montyman Avenue or world traveler? 523 00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:06,020 No, they're not good and jewels loves actor rotta Mitchell and films like hi art and pitch black 524 00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:12,260 But will he love rotta in movies like when strangers appear or love in other catastrophes 525 00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:18,020 You'll just have to tune in to find out some of the names that pop up might surprise you some of the films as well 526 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:25,060 So join us every Saturday on the podcast app of your choice or via YouTube as we do in filmographies 527 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:32,580 Tell me a little bit more about you and how did you decide to get into acting? 528 00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:35,620 Basically it kind of all starts with 529 00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:41,460 Basically we're gonna talk about the film we're gonna talk about today. I was a political science major at UCLA 530 00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:51,300 and was a very serious student and then a friend of mine said that it was very easy to meet young ladies if you got into an acting class 531 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:57,940 And so when I went to UCLA, it didn't have to be a theater major or a film major in order to take acting classes 532 00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:00,580 He just had to get permission of the instructor 533 00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:06,180 So started taking acting classes and had a whole lot of fun and met a lot of people and 534 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:12,100 Didn't really seriously think about being a professional actor. I was kind of either when I graduated 535 00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:18,420 I was using a girl law school or a business graduate school and I ended up going to business graduate school 536 00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:27,140 While I was at business graduate school somebody that I had met at UCLA in one of the acting classes called me and he was directing the play 537 00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:33,300 In Los Angeles, per I live and he said I'm having difficulty casting this very small part 538 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:40,420 Would you be willing to cover it until I get a real actor to kind of come in and do it and I was on a break from school 539 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:41,700 I said I'm sure 540 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:49,140 Sure, okay be fun. So I came in I did the you know the part I audition read for him and he said fine 541 00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:56,580 You know you're not so awful you could do it and I started working on the play and and I think it had like a three 542 00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:58,580 three or four week run and we were 543 00:44:58,580 --> 00:45:06,900 I mean it was literally in a garage and from the seven people and when that ended and I went back to graduate school 544 00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:14,340 I was so full depressed because I had been so excited being and that's silly play for seven people and I think I was 545 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:23,620 I wasn't even getting paid for and I was more excited about that than I was about taking finals at business graduate school and so I said 546 00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:32,900 Maybe I should take a take a look at my career choice here that I have made and I went and talked to the Dean and he was so nice 547 00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:39,220 He basically said you know you're doing climbing you're getting good grades and you can come back if you want to take a leave 548 00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:44,580 But it seems like possibly you want to be an actor and not an accountant 549 00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:49,540 That was almost 50 years ago and 550 00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:57,540 Here I and I have serious doubts about it at times so I have visions go badly or people don't treat me nicely 551 00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:03,780 I think you know I couldn't have been an accountant and I needed more fallback plan maybe I can go back to graduate school 552 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:09,460 So what were those early rules like for you were you then doing more plays did you do commercials like 553 00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:14,420 Well were those early roles? Oh well I did a ton of theater in Los Angeles side probably 554 00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:21,780 150 or 60 plays in LA and I did summer stock and regional theater in off-off Broadway when I was starting as an actor 555 00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:27,300 It was a it was very cool to be a very angular Italian guy 556 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:33,620 So the success of the godfather the kind of a bad guy the day were mafia guys 557 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:40,980 There's a lot of roles on television for Italian bad guys and I think I played a lot of 558 00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:49,060 Basically I single-and-ably you know forwarded the stereotype of the Italian mafia guy 559 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:55,060 I played a lot I played drug dealers and gun runners and mafia hit men and and 560 00:46:55,060 --> 00:47:03,060 That was kind of what I did for a number of years and I got kind of pigeonhole doing that and that was kind of how I 561 00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:06,420 Segwayed into being a writer because 562 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:13,780 Nobody would really consider me for anything except bad guys because that was basically all I had on my real 563 00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:19,380 And so my plan was I was going to write something for myself to show my 564 00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:27,380 Amazing versatility as an actor. I started kind of again backed into it like I backed into acting 565 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:34,100 With another actor friend of mine we created two characters and we started going to open my 566 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:42,500 Comedy clubs and showcases to try and show people that first we could do comedy and second of all that we could write for our selves 567 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:49,300 And we did that for about six months and it was like it was very encouraging because we didn't get anything at all 568 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:52,900 And we didn't get hired and we didn't get any writing jobs 569 00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:59,860 We continued to do it and it was almost like a performance art that we we created these two characters 570 00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:07,060 We showed up in costume as the characters signed in as the characters and we didn't really have an act 571 00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:13,060 We were our characters were two guys from New Jersey who wanted to be in show business, but have no talent 572 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:16,580 So we literally read joke books on stage 573 00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:24,900 We insulted the audience we did a mind reading game and we were it was like awful and we would end up yelling at each other on stage 574 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,300 And nobody quite knew what to do 575 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:37,220 And a producer came what happened to be in the audience one night. He was from Universal and he thought we were these characters 576 00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:44,100 We were sal and junior and we came up afterwards and he said I'd like to take you guys out for a drink 577 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,980 And we said oh sure and we went out for a drink because of him and he was like shocked because we were 578 00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:56,420 Sal and junior and the next day he took us to Universal and we got a pilot development deal 579 00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:58,820 We weren't gonna write the pilot 580 00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:01,380 Riders were gonna write the pilot for us and 581 00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:10,340 They wrote a draft and it wasn't particularly funny and the development people at Universal said a lot of you guys give them some notes 582 00:49:10,340 --> 00:49:18,820 Then kind of punch it up while we gave a pages and pages for pages of notes which they used a lot of it in the pilot and they said 583 00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:26,580 Does you know you could join the writer's guild now because there's enough of your stuff in the pilot and we had no idea what that even meant 584 00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:31,940 Well, yeah, Louis should join the writers guild because then we'll be writers 585 00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:37,380 And so we joined the writer's guild for that all this money joined the writers 586 00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:40,980 And had absolutely no clue what we were doing 587 00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:43,540 That pilot didn't sell 588 00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:50,580 They came up with another draft of the pilot that didn't sell then we wrote a pilot based on the characters and that didn't sell 589 00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:56,980 A universal like does so much that they gave us a development deal and said come up with funny stuff 590 00:49:56,980 --> 00:50:02,420 And if you if it's Sal, it's you know you'll be the writer producer hunt so for almost a year 591 00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:06,900 We had an office at Universal and we tried to come up with funny 592 00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:14,100 funny ideas that we would pitch to the people in the black tower and most of them got rejected and some of them 593 00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:18,820 Some of them we got paid to write a script and some of them we didn't we never went anywhere 594 00:50:18,820 --> 00:50:27,780 But that was kind of how we started and we wrote together my partner Gary Stein and I wrote together for 12 years and we made a pretty decent living 595 00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:32,100 And if you look at on my credits by acting credits on IMDB 596 00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:40,020 There's there's a big break for about 10 years where I don't have any acting credits and I actually had somebody who was interviewing me say 597 00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:45,380 You know, I don't want to embarrass you but like do you have a drum problem or did you go to jail? 598 00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:47,700 You know what happened to you for 10 years 599 00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:53,300 I'm like well sorry to disappoint you, but I didn't go to jail 600 00:50:53,300 --> 00:51:01,860 I was working as a writer and then the two of us went our separate ways and then I kind of 601 00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:09,620 Started the focus back on acting again and then I I always wanted to be a film actor and write screenplace 602 00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:15,140 That was always my dream and so at that point I said to my wife 603 00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:19,940 You know, I've made a fair amount of money writing television and a fair amount of money as an actor 604 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:26,340 I think I'm going to try something really dumb now and I'm gonna try and be a screenwriter 605 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:32,100 So I formed a production company with another Parker and we started making 606 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:40,420 Independent films and internet series and short films and I've been doing that and then 607 00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:45,860 Acting again, you know my focus has been on acting and and now 608 00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:54,740 Because I have white hair now I can play doctors and lawyers and CEOs and things like that and what I never did 609 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:57,300 When I first started as an actor 610 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:04,660 friend of mine was made a lot of money doing commercials and she set up an interview for me with a commercial age and a really good commercial age 611 00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:10,100 And I went in for the meeting and I literally sat down and 612 00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,860 He said well nice to meet you and now 613 00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:17,940 You know what year was and I said well I like to do commercials 614 00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:23,300 You know that's not my primary focus, but I would really like to do it and he said well with a facelike yours 615 00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:30,420 You're not gonna sell a lot of dogs and I had no idea what that had and this was in the early 80s 616 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,980 And what he was saying to me is that unless you had blue eyes and 617 00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:42,660 looked you know like the arrow shirt guy where you were very kind of a philosophy looking there wasn't a lot of stuff 618 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:45,620 In commercials for that and now that has all 619 00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:48,020 Completely changed 620 00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:54,180 Which is lovely for me because I'm now making more money doing commercials than anything else 621 00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:57,460 They're like nutty making machines, you know 622 00:52:57,460 --> 00:53:04,900 I people have figured out that I'm sort of funny and so now I play kind of funny bad guy is or 623 00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:09,620 And so the grandpa who's a little nuts or and it's been great 624 00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:15,140 I think I've done like a dozen commercials in the last four or five years and COVID 625 00:53:15,140 --> 00:53:19,780 Obviously put a big dent in that now things are again picking up again 626 00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:22,900 So that's kind of my life story. I'm kind of 627 00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:31,460 Backed into acting back into writing and I'll have done okay. Are you making more money commercials on your from your two books? 628 00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:34,340 I mean, there's just breaking in royalties 629 00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:39,780 I'm making so much money from my my books that I don't even know how to spend the past no 630 00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:42,580 No, I mean the second actually doing pretty well 631 00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:51,140 The first one was hard because you have no name recognition and you know you're just somebody among the other millions of books 632 00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:56,900 But when you have a second book then you have a little bit of credibility and so it's actually and I 633 00:53:56,900 --> 00:54:02,340 I learned a lot from the first book about how to market and promote and do all that stuff 634 00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:06,180 So now I'm working on the third book because once you have three 635 00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:10,900 With the same central character then basically you have a series 636 00:54:11,860 --> 00:54:15,140 Then gives you a lot more leverage 637 00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:21,220 You know the the short answer is you don't make a lot of money from the the book publishing game 638 00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:23,940 Unless your James Patterson 639 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:29,460 Tell me how did you get involved with welcome home brother Charles and was it called that when you were shooting it? 640 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:34,580 No, it wasn't called I you know, it was funny. I was trying to mean it's almost 50 years ago now 641 00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:41,220 So I was talking to remember I know it wasn't welcome home brother Charles the director was walls Gordon 642 00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:45,860 When I met him he was not Jamaf and Aca he was well Gordon when I first met him 643 00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:51,860 But I don't I know it had a different title, but I don't remember what the title was it's soul vengeance 644 00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:58,900 It sounds right yes that sounds that sounds right because it was kind of a very political time 645 00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:06,420 You know this was like 73 or 74 and there was racial tension and a lot of stuff going on and I remember 646 00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:14,820 There was a directing class at UCLA that you had to take if you were going to get your advanced degree in film 647 00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:19,380 And Jamaf is going to UCLA and he had a little group of kind of very 648 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:26,180 Political filmmakers that he was his friends with and so the teacher who taught the class 649 00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:30,660 Her name was Dealia Salve and she liked me as an actor 650 00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:36,020 So she had recommended be to a lot of the directors who came into the class 651 00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:44,340 So I ended up doing a lot of scene work in the class and that was how I met him and I don't think I had to audition 652 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:46,820 Form because I don't remember auditioning 653 00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:53,060 I think he just gave me the part and it was supposed to be like we were supposed to be like wet redneck 654 00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:58,020 White cops who were going to run around and chase 655 00:55:59,140 --> 00:56:05,060 The I was just like I got my drone blank on his name he had a strange to name Marlo 656 00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:13,700 It was a young black man African-American and he was kind of like the intense bad guy and and we were supposed to chase him around 657 00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:22,100 Guns and say stop or out soup and now that was kind of how it started and I was so excited because I had done 658 00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:30,340 some short student films but this was like a real move this was like they there were actors in the movie 659 00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:35,380 Who had actually been on television and they weren't students they were like real actors 660 00:56:35,380 --> 00:56:38,580 And I remember the thing that was most exciting 661 00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:44,020 I hadn't done anything on film where I had gotten a costume and they were going to give me a 662 00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:50,420 Costing to wear and they had a wardrobe person who took measurements and it was like holy 663 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:52,420 Macro this is like the big time 664 00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:55,700 They're gonna give me something to wear 665 00:56:55,700 --> 00:57:01,380 We were filming on campus and there was a point where they told us to show up and I don't know if for familiar 666 00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:08,180 We're UCLA but there's a big building called bunch hall which is a big brow and multi-story building 667 00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:10,980 Very modern and they said okay, we're gonna meet there 668 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:17,780 So we all met there and they had a camera and a couple of lights and Paul Pazera was a friend of mine 669 00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:22,180 Who wasn't an actor he was kind of good looking blonde hair guy and I 670 00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:29,780 I said you know they need like a blonde hair guy to be the other cop to be in kind of contrast to me 671 00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:34,100 Because I very dark hair at the time very thick curly dark hair 672 00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:40,180 So he said will they pay me and I said I don't I don't think they're gonna pay you but they'll give you like one 673 00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:46,100 You know and you'll get to be in a movie and he was like, hey, okay, so he showed up 674 00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:49,700 And he brought a camera and I was trying to find him today 675 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:56,660 He took pictures of us and and I think I you know over the course of the last 50 years 676 00:57:56,660 --> 00:58:01,940 I probably have moved to dozen times some somewhere in my house now are those pictures 677 00:58:01,940 --> 00:58:06,500 But I couldn't find there were two pictures of me in my 678 00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:11,540 Policeman uniform looking very intense holding this gun 679 00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:18,820 I had that those pictures for years and I actually think I actually use them as acting shots for a time 680 00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:21,380 So we show up and 681 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:27,700 Jamaz says okay here's what you know, we're gonna shoot you guys up on the balcony up there looking down 682 00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:33,140 And then you're gonna run down the stairs and you're gonna start yelling you know blah blah blah 683 00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:41,060 Okay, so they say you go in the bathroom and change into the copy uniforms 684 00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:46,900 So Paul and I go into the bathroom and we're changing into our copy uniforms 685 00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:55,860 They have the gun belts and the guns and the whole thing so we change into our uniforms we come out we look really cool 686 00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:58,660 He takes pictures of us 687 00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:06,420 We go up on the balcony they shoot us up on the balcony we come running down and the campus police are there 688 00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:14,820 The campus police say somebody just saw you in the bathroom changing into a policeman uniform. What are you doing? 689 00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:19,780 And we're like we're making a movie. There's there's the camera there's the lights and 690 00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:25,860 You know, I can't speak for any other campus policemen, but at the time 691 00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:34,180 The campus police at UCLA were very intense because a lot of them had wanted to be LAPD had made the cut 692 00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:41,940 And so they were they were not the easiest guys to get along and they started to give to my a lot of attitude about 693 00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:45,780 You know because I think he was a black man and it was like okay, you know 694 00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:52,660 He you know before long it had escalated to can't you believe that I'm a director because I'm black 695 00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:55,300 It's like oh 696 00:59:55,300 --> 01:00:02,420 We're going in a direction that we may not want to go here and he trying to explain to them that he shooting a film 697 01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:06,020 And he's a student that UCLA and they say well, where's your permit? 698 01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:11,220 Turns out he didn't have a permit and he hadn't talked to anybody in the film department 699 01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:17,620 So then they say okay you're under arrest and we say he's like what do you mean you're weird? 700 01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:21,860 I'm a filmmaker and they said you're under arrest and so they take 701 01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:26,500 Paul me and Jamah and they take us they didn't put us in Hank 702 01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:33,860 The police station is not actually on campus. It's a little ways down westwood Boulevard about a half mile away from the campus 703 01:00:33,860 --> 01:00:40,180 So they walk us down and off the campus put us in the car and drive us to the police station 704 01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:45,060 They didn't I don't know if the police station actually has cells but they didn't put us in a cell 705 01:00:45,060 --> 01:00:50,660 They held us there and said you have to get out of the police uniform put it on your own clothes 706 01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:56,580 We put our own clothes and they and they book us for caring a gun 707 01:00:57,060 --> 01:01:02,900 On a college campus and impersonating a police officer both of which are felony offenses 708 01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:09,700 And we're like holy well you can't do this and then they say we're gonna hold you 709 01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:14,900 Until somebody can come and get you because we don't want to we're not gonna let you leave the station 710 01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:18,580 So I have to call my father the call my dad 711 01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:25,860 Tell them I've been arrested and can you please come and get me 712 01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:29,540 So he goes what did you do? 713 01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:35,860 And I said work on an amovie and they arrested me just come and get me 714 01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:40,260 So he comes and gets me and when he shows up in the police station 715 01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:46,340 They tell them your son has been arrested for impersonating an officer in caring a gun on campus 716 01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:50,020 And he goes crazy and starts screaming at him what are you nuts? 717 01:01:50,020 --> 01:01:55,220 You're arresting my son for this. He's an actor. He's trying to make a movie 718 01:01:55,780 --> 01:02:02,020 So they let us go and then my dad bless his heart. He's gone now, but bless his heart 719 01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:05,460 He stayed on it for probably six months 720 01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:12,660 Because he said you know you cannot have on your record that you are arrested on campus carrying a gun and 721 01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:18,420 Impersonating a police officer and so finally he got the chief of police 722 01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:26,020 Some of the campus police to write a letter saying that it was all a misunderstanding and that it was you know 723 01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:32,660 Wicked from my record and they gave him a letter on the stationery of the universe 724 01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:40,340 He police saying it's blaming that if anybody heard about this or mentioned anything about it that it was all a mistake 725 01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:46,580 And so I think I actually worked on the movie for about 45 minutes 726 01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:50,740 I mean, what are I I was arrested 727 01:02:50,740 --> 01:02:57,460 But that was literally my I mean I consider it a professional acting job 728 01:02:57,460 --> 01:03:03,140 I didn't get paid anything for but I mean it was a real movie that got released in theaters 729 01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:09,540 I don't I don't think I've ever seen movie. Oh wow. Yeah, I don't think I because I did see 730 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:16,660 Clips of when he was editing stuff but I don't think I ever saw the the actual movie 731 01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:21,620 You didn't get invited to the premiere? No, I so no 732 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:25,540 Although it was interesting I did run into him 733 01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:30,900 Later to my later I was doing a play at the inner city cultural center 734 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:34,340 We were doing the great white hope and Ernie Hudson 735 01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:37,780 Played Jack Johnson and at least he knew 736 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:44,820 Ernie Hudson and so he came to one of the performances and we chatted afterwards and 737 01:03:44,820 --> 01:03:49,860 You know and had a lovely conversation and unfortunately he died very young 738 01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:55,620 He made a number of films and it was actually doing doing well as a filmmaker and 739 01:03:55,620 --> 01:04:03,860 That genre and then he died very young for the genre. He was working it in the fact that he didn't have a lot of money to work with 740 01:04:03,860 --> 01:04:15,300 I think he was a talented a talented director who probably is time-change and black people were allowed to like kind of move up in the industry as 741 01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,260 As a director I think he would have done well 742 01:04:18,260 --> 01:04:25,380 He's career would have gone gone well you have been in so many things over the years. I mean 743 01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:28,340 What are some of your favorite things that you've been in? 744 01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:32,260 Well, that's a hard question to answer because there's a lot of different like 745 01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:37,060 The feature film the Falcon and the snowman is probably my favorite 746 01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:42,660 Was such a pleasure to work with Sean Penn and an incredible cast a great 747 01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:50,660 Script John Slesinger that was again that was the reason it sticks out of my head is because I like I said I had done a lot of bad 748 01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:56,740 I'm shouldn't say bad but I had done a lot of episodic television and that was the first time 749 01:04:56,740 --> 01:05:00,580 I ever had a meeting with a director or he 750 01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:08,740 They called me and I came in and I met with him and you know, he's an Academy of War winning director 751 01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:15,380 And I'm sitting across the desk from and he's chatting with me. I know here's the sides. Can you audition? 752 01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:21,940 Can you read? You know, asking me questions about my life and my family and kind of getting to know me 753 01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:29,060 And I'm so nervous that I'm like I'm I'm I'm I can't think of anything interesting to say or clever 754 01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:34,900 And it I know it's going really badly and so I finally say Mr. Slesinger 755 01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:36,900 I know this is gonna sound weird 756 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:46,180 But I'm so nervous because I want to be in this movie so badly that I know I'm blown what I could we start all over again 757 01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:51,940 You know you don't have to spend a lot of time with me, but we just start over again 758 01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:57,940 And I'll try to be more interesting and he started to laugh and he said well, you know and he's English 759 01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:02,580 You know what I do when I'm in the meeting and I'm going to be nervous 760 01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:09,060 I wear a lapel pin and then when I sit down it never fails the person says 761 01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:15,540 What is that lapel pin about and then we have a conversation and it's going but then I break the ice 762 01:06:15,540 --> 01:06:21,860 So we have something to talk about so now obviously every meeting I have gone to for the last 763 01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:28,420 40 years I have a drawer full of lapel pins and I wore the palpine and it never fails 764 01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:35,860 Because the person you're talking to is usually as nervous or more nervous than you are and they always say oh 765 01:06:35,860 --> 01:06:41,940 That's an interesting lapel pin. What does that mean? Oh, I was an Italy and I thought it was really cool 766 01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:48,580 And it represents the families of the you know that found the betel you know and suddenly you're not saying well 767 01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:55,300 I started I as an actor and blah blah blah and I this is my credits and I'd like to talk you know, you know 768 01:06:55,300 --> 01:07:01,300 It's like it relaxes everybody in the room and suddenly it's a whole different meeting and then when I 769 01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:06,260 Luckily got the job and I know one was more shocked than me than 770 01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:13,620 I got the job but I got the job and the thing that was remarkable is I got to work on the film for like three weeks and 771 01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:20,420 He's the only director to this day that I've ever worked with he never even looked through the lens 772 01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:27,700 They didn't have video monitors then you actually have to look through the eyepiece to see how the shot was set up 773 01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:35,460 And he would sit in a chair like he was watching the play and never looks through the lens of the camera the eyepiece of camera 774 01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:44,020 And then after we still very very very lovely and he would come up to me and he would whisper something to me and say let's do it again 775 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:50,420 And we would do it again and it would be a different scene because I was at the other actor 776 01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:57,460 I was playing with he didn't hear the direction so he couldn't anticipate what I was going to do and then I would lovely very 777 01:07:57,460 --> 01:08:03,860 Nice nice nice nice let's try it one more time and now he'd go to the other actor and whisper something to them 778 01:08:03,860 --> 01:08:11,220 And I didn't know so I had to really pay attention and listen and it was just a really really nice 779 01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:18,660 And then he was so sweet he wrote me a letter on his own personal stationary to say what a nice job 780 01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:23,060 I had done and and I still have that frame in my office 781 01:08:23,060 --> 01:08:31,940 It was just a really remarkable job and then flash forward to a year and a half ago working on Barry 782 01:08:31,940 --> 01:08:34,500 When I went to audition for that 783 01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:39,460 They said okay, they gave me the scenes to read and they said when you finish to scene 784 01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:45,620 Improvise keep going don't stop so I have a lot of stage background that I was like yeah 785 01:08:45,620 --> 01:08:53,220 Okay, I mean this is very rare and television because usually particularly when the producer is also the writer 786 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:57,060 They don't like actors to make the scene funnier 787 01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:03,300 It's basically you know dull improvise or your house can forget trouble and they said oh no 788 01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:09,540 Improvise we want you to do that so we did it like two or three times and I improvised every time 789 01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:13,060 I get the job I show up the first day and 790 01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:17,780 We do the first take okay great then 791 01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:26,260 Albert who's phone of the creators of the show and also one of the writers that the show walks over and to the other actor and whisper something is it? 792 01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:29,700 Okay, you know 40 years later or whatever 793 01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:33,380 I'm still in the same I'm doing the same gig and sure enough 794 01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:37,940 Anthony who plays no Hank said different lines 795 01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:42,740 So now I had to like come up with something to kind of work with him 796 01:09:42,740 --> 01:09:44,660 You know because 797 01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:51,780 Okay, still within the context of the scene still about the same stuff but now you're you know, okay 798 01:09:51,780 --> 01:09:55,780 I got to come up with something new and different and we did it about 10 times and it was 799 01:09:55,780 --> 01:10:02,100 You know then we took a break and it was very nice as I was walking out of the sound stage to get a cup of coffee 800 01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:10,100 How it came up to me and said you know nice job good job, you know, and that's kind of like the ultimate gig if for an actor 801 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:16,020 Is it getting paid isn't working but it's really nice when somebody that you respect 802 01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:21,460 Says good job that was you know a lot of actors would have got thrown by that 803 01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:26,340 Those two I mean there's been a lot of jobs and there's been nice moments 804 01:10:26,980 --> 01:10:32,900 Getting to go to a great location, you know getting to go to Mexico City was very interesting and a very cool 805 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:36,420 Getting to go to Canada was very nice very cool 806 01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:43,140 Absolutely wonderful you know meeting aluas who was grandpa on the monsters and getting to work with him 807 01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:48,660 All these great character actors that I've met over the years I was working out of the film and there's a 808 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:56,420 Inextra kind of sitting there and you probably and is you know 70s and maybe 80s 809 01:10:56,420 --> 01:11:02,500 See me very politely and I sat down and we started the chat and this was an Arizona knee 810 01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:09,780 Was like I said you know do you live around here and he's early. I moved I used to live in Hollywood for years 811 01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:11,060 But I moved 812 01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:14,500 Terrasona for to retire and I said oh were you an actor? 813 01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:16,660 Yeah, I was an actor 814 01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:22,580 Of course the conversation we find out that he was he was a straight man and all of WC fields movie 815 01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:23,780 He's in the famous 816 01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:27,860 Then to scene and he's like well, yeah, I was in the dentist 817 01:11:27,860 --> 01:11:32,820 I'm like you were in the dentist scene. You're the one that feels kind of pulls all around the chairs 818 01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:37,300 He's yanking your teeth on he's like yeah, I knew WC called him bill 819 01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:43,380 I knew bill from waterville and we just kind of started working together, you know in those moments like that 820 01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:46,020 You know where you just kind of go what a what a cool 821 01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,020 I couldn't have done this if I was an accountant 822 01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:50,580 Right 823 01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:56,580 You know there's moments like that that you know over the course of the years where you just kind of go you know 824 01:11:56,580 --> 01:12:02,820 I'm that's I'm a lucky guy. I was that was really fun and the fact that I still get excited 825 01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:06,500 You know I had a job not too long ago and you know 826 01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:14,180 I don't need an alarm clock to get up in the morning. I still I wake up and I'm excited to get there and they 827 01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:20,660 You know it's it's very funny when you get to a certain age where they don't give me a lot of makeup anymore 828 01:12:20,660 --> 01:12:23,940 Which is really interesting because they kind of say well, you know 829 01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:27,140 I don't think you need I don't think you need much 830 01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:32,420 You know they're pretty much kind of politely sake. It doesn't make any difference 831 01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:37,300 There's an amagica new with you there my friend 832 01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:41,780 We do a podcast also about 833 01:12:41,780 --> 01:12:47,140 Martin Miller and I know you're on a couple episodes of that. What was your experience like on that one? 834 01:12:47,140 --> 01:12:53,620 Again, that was one of very early on in my acting career and I was very excited to be on it 835 01:12:53,620 --> 01:12:59,220 Because it was a kind of a hot show at the time and they shot it in front of a live audience 836 01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:02,900 Which was very interesting and I had done a lot of stage 837 01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:08,260 But it was still a little intimidating the second episode was easier the first episode 838 01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:14,580 It was a little intimidating because you're not to star the show so they kind of put you to green-roaring 839 01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:19,300 Green-roaring kind of keep you the hair and then they say okay, we're ready for years. It's like doing a soap opera 840 01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:25,140 They kind of park you someplace so they know that you're not gonna run away or get lost or do something silly 841 01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:31,940 So you just stay there and then they basically okay, we're ready for your scene and they put you back stage and you're you know 842 01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:37,860 You got to enter through this door and somebody gives you the cue and you know you're you're off to the races 843 01:13:38,420 --> 01:13:45,940 And you know there's a thousand people sitting in the audience and it's interesting because 844 01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:48,660 the energy for a 845 01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:52,740 sitcom is even higher than it is for doing stage work 846 01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:57,540 There's stage sitcom and then I don't know 847 01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:59,860 Nickelodeon or something 848 01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:06,900 I can't say was intimidating because everybody on the show could not have been nicer they 849 01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:13,060 Just really really nice almost all of them are from New York and had a stage background 850 01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:16,340 So they were the actors and the crew very very nice 851 01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:19,460 Danny Arnold was an interesting 852 01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:25,700 Interfesting character kind of a throwback to the old days of Neil Simon and stuff 853 01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:31,860 He actually I think wrote with Neil Simon for a while and you know he was like a real wordsmith who you know 854 01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:36,500 Set-up set-up joke set-up set-up joke set-up set-up joke he was real master 855 01:14:36,980 --> 01:14:40,180 So that that was a that I'd forgotten about that I mean it's funny 856 01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:45,460 I've done so many television shows that I get residual checks and I forgot 857 01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:49,620 Beauty in the beast when did I do beauty in the beast on it 858 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:53,540 I don't remember that on but okay 859 01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:59,940 I see your Star Trek figures back there are you big Star Trek fan you know I don't want to offend people but no I'm not 860 01:14:59,940 --> 01:15:05,780 But it was funny I was working on a working on a movie and the directors if you 861 01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:13,940 Star Trek fan and I had given him so much abuse or being Star Trek fan and his wife was like yeah 862 01:15:13,940 --> 01:15:19,540 You tell him he's like a grown man. He's got all these Star Trek figures how ridiculous is that so 863 01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:27,780 And so when when I was finished when I was going to the airport to come home he said and this is for you a Star Trek figure 864 01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:34,100 So I can give you a lot of heat for having Star Trek figures 865 01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:41,140 I have you know as you can obviously see I have a ton of toys and collectibles and all that stuff 866 01:15:41,140 --> 01:15:45,780 I just never became I like Star Trek the television show and the movies 867 01:15:45,780 --> 01:15:53,380 For whatever reason collecting that stuff never really appealed to me collecting pairs of dispensers 868 01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:59,380 much more sense than Star Trek figures 869 01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:08,180 But I see you've even got aluus behind it and that he was a trip he was he was a trip to work with very very funny 870 01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:13,380 very I mean my stomach hurt at the end of the day by stomach what would hurt 871 01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:21,220 Working with him and Jack worked that's right you worked on use cars yeah and that was one of my first acting jobs 872 01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:27,860 I think I have three lines one scene but there was aluus and Jack worked at the hotel 873 01:16:28,420 --> 01:16:35,300 They picked me up at the hotel aluus and Jack Warden are in the backseat of the car and I'm in the 874 01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:39,860 So I say to myself all right I got to say something to them 875 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:45,140 So I turned to aluus and I go you know I loved you on the monsters and blah blah blah 876 01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:51,780 Just gonna be a real treat and I turned to Jack Warden and I say and you know I have to say it's just a honor 877 01:16:51,780 --> 01:16:54,820 To work with you you've been in so many great films 878 01:16:55,380 --> 01:16:59,700 I'm just thrilled to work with you and he looks at me and goes but it's a fuck cares 879 01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:10,900 And I'm like and I turn around sitting in the car now then the driver doesn't say anything and I'm sitting there 880 01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:14,980 Totally humiliated and I just don't know what to do now 881 01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:23,300 Then I feel this hand out and I show the god I'm kidding and for the rest of the time that I was an Arizona with him 882 01:17:23,860 --> 01:17:29,220 I was the blood of all of their jokes these are moments that you kind of go how lucky am I 883 01:17:29,220 --> 01:17:31,700 Jack Warden goes you know what you're doing tonight 884 01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:33,860 I'm like I'm not doing anything 885 01:17:33,860 --> 01:17:38,900 I'm I'm in Phoenix by myself and hotel whatever I can be doing 886 01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:42,260 He's like you want to come to dinner with me and how and I'm like 887 01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:44,820 Yes 888 01:17:44,820 --> 01:17:45,620 Yes 889 01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:51,220 And so I go to dinner with aluus and Jack Warden and we're hanging out eating dinner in their telling 890 01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:56,820 They knew each other for years in New York and they were both lifeguards at the YMCA 891 01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:06,820 Ian aluus was a circus clown for a while and just I mean amazing stories could not have been nicer and then paid for my dinner 892 01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:13,220 And then the next day I show up and and because people have seen the next morning 893 01:18:13,220 --> 01:18:17,780 I'm like there might be two best buddies now we're hanging around we're drinking coffee we're joking 894 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:24,820 Aloud and somebody comes up to me. It's still makes me laugh somebody comes up and ask for aluus and jacks 895 01:18:24,820 --> 01:18:26,820 Watergraf and I'm standing there 896 01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:34,820 They say could we have your autograph too and I say I don't know if you really want my autograph 897 01:18:34,820 --> 01:18:40,180 Yet and I starting to explain that I'm not a very successful actor and you won't know who I am in jackward 898 01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:42,180 It was just I and a god damn autograph 899 01:18:45,460 --> 01:18:51,940 You know so it was it was just again those are moments where you know I didn't get paid a real lot of money 900 01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:56,340 And I don't do a whole lot in the moody but those were moments that you know 901 01:18:56,340 --> 01:19:03,460 I treasure because you know how cool was that to get to and again I work with all these young actors and they go you know 902 01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:06,100 Will it's the secret you've been working forever 903 01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:14,420 You know and I say the secret is show up on time and be nice you know all upon time and being be nice 904 01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:16,980 Then you know don't be a jerk 905 01:19:16,980 --> 01:19:20,980 I work with so many actors who are just jerks who basically 906 01:19:20,980 --> 01:19:26,740 Show up unprepared expect people to you know cater to them and it's like you know come on 907 01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:29,860 It's you're not breaking rocks and the hot sun 908 01:19:29,860 --> 01:19:34,660 Yeah, we hear you're an actor you know it's like oh my god. I'm exhausted 909 01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:39,540 Yeah, you know, yeah, you worked a 12 hour day but you only actually worked 45 minutes 910 01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:46,340 You know, I mean come on be realistic be polite when they ask you to do something don't give them attitude 911 01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:50,900 And the other the other tip is move to George 912 01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:57,780 Move to Georgia but because it's much cheaper than Los Angeles and there's a lot more work there 913 01:19:57,780 --> 01:20:01,140 So you've got the third book coming out what else are you working on oh 914 01:20:01,140 --> 01:20:05,940 How bunch of stuff? I have I think three screenplays at my ageing to 915 01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:12,900 Got out and about I have a television pilot that I wrote with two other writers 916 01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:19,700 You know, I'm never I'm always working on something that was also something I learned very early on 917 01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:25,380 You can't just have one project. Yeah, if you have to have multiple projects you have to always be hustling 918 01:20:25,380 --> 01:20:27,540 You know, I've done okay. I made a nice 919 01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:32,900 The writer in actor, but you know, it's a constant hustle and if you're not hustling your dad 920 01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:38,100 Literally, I mean I I've gone to parties and run into people 921 01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:41,220 Lerat lemman they're trying to be polite but they're like are you retired? 922 01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:44,660 Like no, I don't think so 923 01:20:44,660 --> 01:20:49,060 Because I took some time off, you know, I was relaxing 924 01:20:49,060 --> 01:20:56,180 You know, I have a family I had a life I went on vacation and you know, you go away for a little while and people 925 01:20:56,180 --> 01:21:02,820 There's a lot of other office here and I'm in my I pretend that I have a job. I'm in my office by 830 926 01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:10,260 I take a lunch break at 12 o'clock for half hour and then I work from you know like one o'clock to probably three or four 927 01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:16,420 You know, so it's like I and I do that five days week and so I have nothing else I am prolific 928 01:21:16,420 --> 01:21:22,100 Mr. and Grafia, thank you so much for your time. This was great talk with you. Thank you pleasure 929 01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:50,140 (L erm) 930 01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:54,460 (L erm) 931 01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:57,460 Alright, we're back and we're talking about welcome home brother Charles. 932 01:21:57,460 --> 01:22:00,020 Now you guys mentioned that you'd seen the penitentiary films. 933 01:22:00,020 --> 01:22:01,820 I've not seen either of those. 934 01:22:01,820 --> 01:22:02,820 How are they? 935 01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:04,060 Should I be checking those out? 936 01:22:04,060 --> 01:22:05,060 And immediately? 937 01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:06,060 I would think so. 938 01:22:06,060 --> 01:22:07,700 I would say, though, sure. 939 01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:10,060 I've been thinking about revisiting them. 940 01:22:10,060 --> 01:22:12,980 I met to before this, but I just end then the time. 941 01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:13,980 I only saw the first two. 942 01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:14,980 I know there's three. 943 01:22:14,980 --> 01:22:17,140 But the second one in particular is wild. 944 01:22:17,140 --> 01:22:20,260 It was kind of what got me turned on to it in the first place. 945 01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:24,140 Just finding out, like, "Oh, there's a violin ass movie with Mr. Teeinit?" 946 01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:25,140 (L erm) 947 01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:27,460 And it's a very early Ernie Hudson role too. 948 01:22:27,460 --> 01:22:29,180 I think he's the bad guy in it. 949 01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:31,180 It's wild. 950 01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:32,780 The first one is pretty good. 951 01:22:32,780 --> 01:22:35,380 The second one is crazy. 952 01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:37,180 I haven't heard a lot about the third, so. 953 01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:39,380 But yeah, I think I fell off too. 954 01:22:39,380 --> 01:22:40,580 I don't think I ever saw the third. 955 01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:43,260 I think the third got really mixed reviews. 956 01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:45,260 I think that's the thing. 957 01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:46,260 Yeah. 958 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:48,900 I honestly think those movies might be right up your alley, Mike. 959 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:49,900 That's right. 960 01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:52,180 But I agree, they're definitely the first two. 961 01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:55,180 Kind of like, "God, Father, three, how would you kind of take the third fight?" 962 01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:56,180 No. 963 01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:57,180 Yeah. 964 01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:58,180 Yeah. 965 01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,540 Because I think it came out a bit later. 966 01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:01,540 That's right. 967 01:23:01,540 --> 01:23:02,540 That's right. 968 01:23:02,540 --> 01:23:09,980 And then he had one more called Street Wars at the end, which I haven't heard anything 969 01:23:09,980 --> 01:23:10,980 about that one. 970 01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:17,700 Yeah, I think I tried to see it somewhere or tried to put it down at one point and it was 971 01:23:17,700 --> 01:23:18,980 available too. 972 01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:22,340 And then the Vittnerkris singer, when they put this one out, when they put out, "Welcome 973 01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:26,980 home, brother, Charles, they also included Emma Ray," or, "Sorry, Emma May on there as 974 01:23:26,980 --> 01:23:27,980 well." 975 01:23:27,980 --> 01:23:28,980 That's about the way. 976 01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:30,980 That's been shown on Teeinit. 977 01:23:30,980 --> 01:23:32,420 Back that's where I was at. 978 01:23:32,420 --> 01:23:33,580 It's got a different name as well. 979 01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:36,980 That's like, soul-sister's revenge or something like that. 980 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:38,980 I can't remember what it is. 981 01:23:38,980 --> 01:23:39,980 Yeah. 982 01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:46,900 Because this one, when I watched, before I got the Vittnerkris singer and disc, I watched the 983 01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:54,060 Z-9 version, which has at a horrible, chiron-title of soul vengeance at the beginning. 984 01:23:54,060 --> 01:23:55,060 Yeah. 985 01:23:55,060 --> 01:23:57,740 I was lucky to find that. 986 01:23:57,740 --> 01:23:59,300 But I mean, God bless Vittnerkris. 987 01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:00,300 That's true. 988 01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:06,300 The things that they will dig up and make look better than anything you've ever seen when we're 989 01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:11,780 still in a world where you can't even get a proper HD copy of like true lies of the abyss. 990 01:24:11,780 --> 01:24:12,780 Right. 991 01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:13,780 Oh, sorry. 992 01:24:13,780 --> 01:24:14,780 It was black sisters, revenge. 993 01:24:14,780 --> 01:24:15,780 Blacks are the best. 994 01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:16,780 Blacks are the best. 995 01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:17,780 Yeah. 996 01:24:17,780 --> 01:24:21,060 I think, I think, I think, I think, I think they used the original title. 997 01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:22,660 I seen the recall. 998 01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:23,660 Yeah. 999 01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:29,780 I also missed the one short film, the alternate title that he made was Death on the installment 1000 01:24:29,780 --> 01:24:30,780 plan. 1001 01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:37,180 One of the best lines I think in this movie is the line about him doing time on the white 1002 01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:38,860 man's installment plan. 1003 01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:39,860 Yeah. 1004 01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:41,460 There's some really clever wives in here. 1005 01:24:41,460 --> 01:24:43,660 I mean, I just, I don't know. 1006 01:24:43,660 --> 01:24:46,300 It feels like I'm not supposed to like this movie. 1007 01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:49,940 It feels like, oh, it's too rough and just, you know, like the whole thing we're talking 1008 01:24:49,940 --> 01:24:55,340 about what the confusion around what happens first and does he actually get castrated it. 1009 01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:59,740 Yeah, there's some problems here, but I, you know, I've seen a lot worse man. 1010 01:24:59,740 --> 01:25:03,700 I've seen hell, full of words and I just think that the things of this and I wasn't 1011 01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:07,820 doing this whole thing of like the guy who gets out of jail and goes after all the people that 1012 01:25:07,820 --> 01:25:08,820 put him away. 1013 01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:11,220 I mean, we've seen that trope and so many movies. 1014 01:25:11,220 --> 01:25:12,700 And never like this. 1015 01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:13,700 Never like this. 1016 01:25:13,700 --> 01:25:14,700 No. 1017 01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:15,700 Oh, it's right. 1018 01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:16,700 That's right. 1019 01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:17,700 Man. 1020 01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:24,440 And see, I could, you see, no, really, I could you see like, you know, try to piss 1021 01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:26,940 us to a room of women executive. 1022 01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:28,940 So look, I'm a guy. 1023 01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:34,980 See, and they try to, and they try to cast me them only doesn't work and the, and the, and 1024 01:25:34,980 --> 01:25:38,860 this through radiation, some other mystical means he gets his massive cock. 1025 01:25:38,860 --> 01:25:42,860 Oh, baby. 1026 01:25:42,860 --> 01:25:43,860 Oh, yeah. 1027 01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:44,860 Get out. 1028 01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:45,860 Get out now. 1029 01:25:45,860 --> 01:25:48,500 You gotta have the balls of like like, sorry to bother you. 1030 01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:50,860 And that takes, that takes a lot of build up. 1031 01:25:50,860 --> 01:25:54,540 You've got, you've got to set that tone early and just get a weirder from there. 1032 01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:58,460 And this movie does not have any interest in setting that. 1033 01:25:58,460 --> 01:26:01,540 And it just comes to such a surprise when that starts happening. 1034 01:26:01,540 --> 01:26:06,140 Yeah, because like I said, so much of it is, you know, slice of life stuff, you know, just, 1035 01:26:06,140 --> 01:26:11,500 like, like, like, a legitimate drama, like the stuff with like him and the girlfriend, like, the 1036 01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:14,820 one scene where they're, you know, they like, they have like a tender love making sequence 1037 01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:16,820 every other whole red suit. 1038 01:26:16,820 --> 01:26:17,820 Yeah. 1039 01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:21,340 And, you know, it's so, like, it feels so real and human. 1040 01:26:21,340 --> 01:26:24,580 And I mean, it also kind of, when she put on the record though, I couldn't help but think 1041 01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:27,180 of the Kentucky Fried movie that joyous sex. 1042 01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:28,180 Yeah. 1043 01:26:28,180 --> 01:26:29,180 Yeah. 1044 01:26:29,180 --> 01:26:30,180 Yeah. 1045 01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:36,420 But yeah, it feels, you know, like the fact that the movie takes time to show you like the human 1046 01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:40,940 side, the fact that like that, it's not just an element of destruction in his pants. 1047 01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:44,940 Like, yeah, it can be used for good and for a hand in every other. 1048 01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:45,940 Yeah. 1049 01:26:45,940 --> 01:26:46,940 That's it. 1050 01:26:46,940 --> 01:26:47,940 Let's say, well, that's it. 1051 01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:51,820 The less the duality that you can, you can bring out in the, in the remake. 1052 01:26:51,820 --> 01:26:55,660 What we also end the movie on, which I'll just refer to as the love theme for Malcolm 1053 01:26:55,660 --> 01:26:56,660 Hombra, the chocolate. 1054 01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:57,660 Yes. 1055 01:26:57,660 --> 01:27:00,420 I feel like that's a lot of start. 1056 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:01,420 Yeah. 1057 01:27:01,420 --> 01:27:02,420 Yeah. 1058 01:27:02,420 --> 01:27:06,180 It was looking for because there was like two or two songs, I think, that play throughout 1059 01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:07,180 the film. 1060 01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:11,660 And I was looking for those someplace, but could not find anything, not even, I'd like 1061 01:27:11,660 --> 01:27:13,580 to scogs or anything. 1062 01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:17,020 Turn your remember, because there's the theme that I was talking about with like, it 1063 01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:21,100 almost sounds like horns or like, almost like fog horns in it. 1064 01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:26,980 And then it sounds like, I don't know, hyenas laughing or something. 1065 01:27:26,980 --> 01:27:31,980 It's just really kind of strange, but then the others, two songs by Andre Douglas and 1066 01:27:31,980 --> 01:27:32,980 the Gliders. 1067 01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:36,220 And yeah, I think it's imagine is the love theme. 1068 01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:38,820 And then there's another one called junkies, pumps. 1069 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:41,220 And I was looking for those out of 45 or something. 1070 01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:42,220 And now, no. 1071 01:27:42,220 --> 01:27:43,220 Oh, let's do it. 1072 01:27:43,220 --> 01:27:44,220 That's great. 1073 01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:46,580 I could, I could find music from top of the heap. 1074 01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:47,580 Yes, you know. 1075 01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:48,580 Yeah. 1076 01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:49,580 Yeah. 1077 01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:54,580 Well, this being, yeah, a student film, like, yeah, the distribution couldn't, and then 1078 01:27:54,580 --> 01:27:56,060 just get in the rice stuff like that. 1079 01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:57,060 That was, like, exactly. 1080 01:27:57,060 --> 01:28:03,660 And I was thinking, like, how many, how many would, like, full on student films by 1081 01:28:03,660 --> 01:28:07,420 noitable filmmakers are like, actually out there and successful on their own, because I could 1082 01:28:07,420 --> 01:28:10,820 think like this, there's cannibal to musical and I can't think of much else. 1083 01:28:10,820 --> 01:28:14,180 T. A. J. X. wasn't that, uh, Lucas, a student film. 1084 01:28:14,180 --> 01:28:19,980 There was a version that was for, like, that was a, a student film that he played. 1085 01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:24,700 But then this was actually the theatrical version was actually going to brotherhood 1086 01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:28,620 that out, and that was all because of, um, Francis, fork popular. 1087 01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:29,620 Almost forgot dark star. 1088 01:28:29,620 --> 01:28:30,620 There's dark star. 1089 01:28:30,620 --> 01:28:31,620 Dark star. 1090 01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:32,620 Oh, yeah. 1091 01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:33,620 Yeah. 1092 01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:34,620 Because that was the key. 1093 01:28:34,620 --> 01:28:37,460 My mind immediately went to El Maryachi, but Brad Regas wasn't in school. 1094 01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:38,460 Yeah. 1095 01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:42,460 He was just putting himself through medical tests for fun and faculty. 1096 01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:43,460 Exactly. 1097 01:28:43,460 --> 01:28:44,460 That was right. 1098 01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:45,460 That's crazy. 1099 01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:46,460 And that's, that's a little funny. 1100 01:28:46,460 --> 01:28:47,460 It's thinking about it. 1101 01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:49,260 And then he remade, he remade the right with Ben Dairons. 1102 01:28:49,260 --> 01:28:50,260 Is that correct? 1103 01:28:50,260 --> 01:28:51,660 But it's supposed to be a sequel. 1104 01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:57,220 It's because it, it flashes back to the end of the first movie, but, but yeah, it kind 1105 01:28:57,220 --> 01:29:00,900 of just feels like, you know, it's almost telling the same story. 1106 01:29:00,900 --> 01:29:02,780 It's like evil dead and evil did too. 1107 01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:03,780 Yeah. 1108 01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:04,780 Yeah. 1109 01:29:04,780 --> 01:29:05,780 There you go. 1110 01:29:05,780 --> 01:29:06,780 Where are I? 1111 01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:10,500 It took me a little bit to get that when I was watching at the first time, um, Desperado 1112 01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:11,780 and I was like, oh, wait, wait. 1113 01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:13,100 No, he's a big, rainy fan. 1114 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:14,580 This is like, evil did too. 1115 01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:17,900 You know, like, why would he go back to the, to the cabin? 1116 01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:21,260 Yeah, that's that one scenery has the flashback to getting shot in the hand and I'm like, 1117 01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:22,260 oh, yeah, that guy. 1118 01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:26,940 Yeah, and that original dude actually shows up there at the end with like the three Mary 1119 01:29:26,940 --> 01:29:27,940 Archie. 1120 01:29:27,940 --> 01:29:28,940 I recall that. 1121 01:29:28,940 --> 01:29:29,940 That's right. 1122 01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:30,940 Yeah. 1123 01:29:30,940 --> 01:29:34,300 And I wish they would have like gotten a branched off and done like, oh, and here's the third 1124 01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:35,940 Mary Archie's story. 1125 01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:39,460 Instead of once upon a time in Mexico, which I was not a fan of. 1126 01:29:39,460 --> 01:29:41,460 Which I was, yeah, it's a very strange film. 1127 01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:43,260 That is, I'm about three films. 1128 01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:44,260 Yeah. 1129 01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:45,260 Yeah. 1130 01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:46,660 I liked it at the time, but it's been a long time. 1131 01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:51,220 I think just the, I think just the, I turned to know, came, you know, just kind of 1132 01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:52,220 sourd it for me. 1133 01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:54,220 Yeah, you got a little more history there than we do. 1134 01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:55,700 There you go. 1135 01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:57,700 I don't know, man. 1136 01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:59,620 I, you know, I got to be careful with my words. 1137 01:29:59,620 --> 01:30:02,860 Everywhere I say is kind of, in you window, and I don't mean it to be. 1138 01:30:02,860 --> 01:30:07,340 But, but really, I think it's just planted in me, man, that it's like, I don't know, man. 1139 01:30:07,340 --> 01:30:11,740 Just, I'll just, I did like, you could do it as a graphic novel or maybe as a, you know, 1140 01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:15,540 kind of like a crazy, you know, like, in the days of Holloway House. 1141 01:30:15,540 --> 01:30:20,620 You could do a kind of howly house, kind of just lure it, you know, paperback original and really 1142 01:30:20,620 --> 01:30:25,860 kind of, you know, clank it up as we've talked about, you know, in terms of just the, you know, 1143 01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:28,060 the stradious of it and all that. 1144 01:30:28,060 --> 01:30:32,220 And maybe that's the way to do it is is you put it, it just on paper, maybe you're safe 1145 01:30:32,220 --> 01:30:33,860 for the imagery, I'm not sure. 1146 01:30:33,860 --> 01:30:38,020 It can be a whole crew to go on that journey with you and get the money. 1147 01:30:38,020 --> 01:30:39,020 That's the hard part. 1148 01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:40,020 That's hard. 1149 01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:41,020 That's hard. 1150 01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:42,020 That's right. 1151 01:30:42,020 --> 01:30:43,020 That's your foot in it all. 1152 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:44,020 I'm paying for yourself. 1153 01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:45,020 You can do whatever you want. 1154 01:30:45,020 --> 01:30:45,540 That's right. 1155 01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:46,260 You don't want to read it. 1156 01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:46,780 Go ahead. 1157 01:30:46,780 --> 01:30:47,460 You want to burn it. 1158 01:30:47,460 --> 01:30:47,980 Go on. 1159 01:30:47,980 --> 01:30:48,660 No, I'm burning. 1160 01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:51,340 Yeah, I'm making, yeah, you got to steal by at the burn. 1161 01:30:51,340 --> 01:30:52,500 So that's what I was making. 1162 01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:53,500 That's it. 1163 01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:56,860 And then we don't have to worry about special effects and how they look either. 1164 01:30:56,860 --> 01:30:59,340 So pretty a really ghetto places with that. 1165 01:30:59,340 --> 01:31:02,460 You know, in a few minutes, I'm going to ask you where you're working on, but I think I just 1166 01:31:02,460 --> 01:31:04,060 found your new project for you. 1167 01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:08,740 So I just, I just got to ask, like, what the hell did Chinese food ever do to that man? 1168 01:31:08,740 --> 01:31:09,740 Exactly. 1169 01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:10,940 Yeah, what was that about? 1170 01:31:10,940 --> 01:31:12,540 You write that was like the morning thing. 1171 01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:13,540 You're right. 1172 01:31:13,540 --> 01:31:14,540 That's right. 1173 01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:15,540 That's a strange. 1174 01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:18,060 Yeah, that was like, you're what the heck, really? 1175 01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:19,060 Go on man. 1176 01:31:19,060 --> 01:31:20,060 That's it. 1177 01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:24,620 All right guys, let's go ahead and take another break and play your preview for next week's 1178 01:31:24,620 --> 01:31:25,620 show. 1179 01:31:25,620 --> 01:31:35,620 What's that? 1180 01:31:35,620 --> 01:31:37,740 Yeah, but that's it. 1181 01:31:37,740 --> 01:32:06,700 Wow, we've never had a question. 1182 01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:07,680 People are next to me. 1183 01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:11,060 I won't be there for five or five days 1184 01:32:11,060 --> 01:32:12,940 Hey, popman. 1185 01:32:12,940 --> 01:32:20,980 When did I last came back fromилось late 1186 01:32:20,980 --> 01:32:24,460 ? 1187 01:32:24,460 --> 01:32:26,460 ? 1188 01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:28,460 ? 1189 01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:28,460 ? 1190 01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:39,460 ? 1191 01:32:39,460 --> 01:32:40,460 ? 1192 01:32:40,460 --> 01:32:41,460 ? 1193 01:32:41,460 --> 01:32:42,460 ? 1194 01:32:42,460 --> 01:32:43,460 ? 1195 01:32:43,460 --> 01:32:44,460 ? 1196 01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:54,460 ? 1197 01:32:54,460 --> 01:33:12,300 That's from Gianni Sympath pushing the Core into the immediate red orertion place with a 1198 01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:21,440 whole PSV app Fuck them multiple videos buddy, they're not so bad for photography 1199 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:26,440 and I think this week's co-host Gary and Jackie so Jackie what has been keeping you 1200 01:33:26,440 --> 01:33:28,440 busy lately. You know just life. 1201 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:35,840 I you know it's been a while since I've made a proper for a into the internet as any kind 1202 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:41,440 of personality. Although I'm hoping to do a bit more of it soon. I've been working as 1203 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:46,640 the events manager here at the Alamo Draft House in the Houston area so that keeps me busy 1204 01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:51,660 because I work up in we are actually right now live from a protection booth because it's 1205 01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,460 the quietest place I could think of busy round the clock just getting good movies out there 1206 01:33:55,460 --> 01:34:00,560 and making sure people have fun but hopefully good friend Chris Dash who is trying to get me 1207 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:06,380 back on his show. I hope to be on there very soon again. I've actually working on 1208 01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:11,640 of all things and Album of sort of I'm joining on a project. It's not my project. 1209 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,400 I guess I know a bunch of guys involved in the old retro game scene. There's an old 1210 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:22,400 PC game called the seventh guest and they're doing an Album sort of a reimagining the music 1211 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:27,640 from that and it's an incredible soundtrack. So their band is called Air 47 and I'm going 1212 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:32,640 to be contributing vocals to the songs on that. So I'm really excited about that because 1213 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:37,440 it's just like the music to that game was the first time I heard anything on that medium 1214 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:43,640 that sounded like real music. And it's an incredible like it's exciting to be part of that 1215 01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,680 kind of project and then I've got to hope and get more stuff like that out there too. I just 1216 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:54,680 want to get more active with the arts wherever I can because yeah it's you know I miss it. 1217 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,920 It's so much fun to create and carry how about yourself. 1218 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:03,600 A lot I've you know I had a novel out last year once on Harry so I've not been kind of 1219 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,360 going through which you've very I've had some very good comments from my editor so we've 1220 01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:13,640 kind of been you know doing the tweaks and rewrites and revisions on that so that's been I've been 1221 01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:19,160 pretty happy with how that's gone and then we're going to come to a comic book projects 1222 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:25,600 including something for all I guess while the door stayed open comic psychology originals 1223 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:33,160 which that was got to have solved across the table at Amazon but in particular our project 1224 01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:37,880 got to be a good one. I guess it's well still out money there and it's taking a character of mine 1225 01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:43,080 there's a lot of character Martha Cheney that I ridden a couple books about novels about in the 1226 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:49,240 past and kind of transporting her transformer into the realm of comics of kind of we get this 1227 01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:56,440 great artist Adriana mellow who's resilient and she just fantastic and so I've had a great 1228 01:35:56,440 --> 01:36:00,760 great time you know working on that. Well thank you so much folks for bringing on the show 1229 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,360 thanks to everybody for listening if you want to hear more me shooting off by mouth check out some 1230 01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:09,720 of the other shows I work on there are all available at weedingwagmedia.com thanks especially to our 1231 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:14,920 Patreon community if you want to join the community visit patreon.com/projectionbooth 1232 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,920 every donation we get helps the projection booth take over the world 1233 01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:46,920 [Music] 1234 01:36:46,920 --> 01:37:04,920 [Music] 1235 01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:24,920 [Music] 1236 01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:38,920 [Music] 1237 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:46,920 [Music] 1238 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:56,920 [Music] 1239 01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:04,920 [Music] 1240 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:12,920 [Music] 1241 01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:22,920 [Music] 1242 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,920 [Music] 1243 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:34,920 [Music] 1244 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:40,920 [Music] 1245 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:50,920 [Music] 1246 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,920 [Music] 1247 01:38:54,920 --> 01:39:00,920 [Music] 1248 01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,920 [Music] 1249 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,920 [Music] 1250 01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:28,920 [Music] 1251 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,920 [Music] 1252 01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:42,920 [Music] 1253 01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:50,920 [Music] 1254 01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:54,920 [Music] 1255 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:58,920 [Music] 1256 01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:12,920 [Music] 1257 01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:16,920 [Music] 1258 01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,920 [Music] 1259 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,920 [Music] 1260 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:34,920 [Music]