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So this week we are going to be traveling to Sweden
And I'm going to do my best to pronounce things properly
But we are going to be discussing Helga de la Brache
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Back before blood tests
You could be whoever you wanted as long as you had a great story
Even a princess
That is living
I would have been so good at this
I would have been the best
I'm not a great liar typically but for the life of a princess
I'll muster
Yeah, I'll pull out all the stops to be a princess let's be real
Yeah
In 1812 King Gustaf Adolphus IV
Who had been living in exile after he was deposed as the king of Sweden in the coup in 1809
Divorced his wife, Federica of Bowden
Years later, Helga shared that she was the product of his and Federica of Bowden's reunion
When they secretly remarried, quote, "in a convent in Germany"
And quote
Not my dream choice of wedding venue
I'm currently on the prowl but it's a choice
It is a choice
The most romantic one could argue know
But you do you
Yeah
Monarchs can do what they want
Sometimes you got to consider the budget
This is true
I'm an exile we were already divorced
This convent here
I don't think the nuns are going to charge us anything but you know
I don't know
Save the romance for the honeymoon in my darling
That's true
She was born in Lausanne in 1820
But raised in secret by King Gustaf IV's aunt
Princess Sophia Albertine of Sweden
To ensure she wouldn't be viewed as a claimant to the royal throne
She was also placed in Sophia's care due to the fact that Federica, her mother, was placed in a asylum
Oh, okay, so not an ideal place to come up at the kid
No
So I think that tracks?
Yeah
Upon Sophia's death in 1829, Helga was taken to the Vodstinena asylum in Lincheping at the age of nine
Under the guise of being insane
So she could be raised in secret with her true identity, living from the world
Why is everything got to be shrouded in so much mystery?
And why is the answer a silence?
Yeah, there's a lot of that
Real asylum heavy on this story so far
Not my first choice for places to you know, be shrouded in mystery
No
But you know, you do you
Not so much
Yeah, my gosh
Helga lived in the asylum until 1834 when she was released at the age of 14
Into the care of her family in Bowden
While there, she was placed under house arrest
Again, to keep her true identity a secret
Oh boy
She is just all of the aliases
I mean, does anyone know who she really is?
What does she even look like?
I don't know
Does she know who she is at this point?
Exactly
Why am I not allowed to see anybody?
Yeah
Her father passed away not long after she was reunited with her family
Dying on February 7th, 1837 at the age of 58
Overcome with grief at the news, Helga was once again taken to an asylum in Sweden at the age of 17
The Bowden family who had gone to extreme lengths to keep her existence hidden
Fear that if she were to suddenly speak out about her true identity while in a state of such grief
Her words would only be viewed as those of a mad woman
I mean, probably a fair assumption
But you know, that is rude
I know
Historical woman thing
I'm not a fan
And again, why is the default asylum?
There are other places that exist
My gosh
I mean, can we circle back to the convent idea?
Yeah, pretend she's still wanting to join a better-
A lot of them weren't better
A lot of them weren't better at that point in history
But I just switch it up, try something different
Yeah, there are enough castles in the world in Europe where you probably could have found one
So she could hide away in and it would be fine
There's gotta be
Yeah, that's the castle I want to live in
I want to live in the small hidden away castle where I can live shrouded in history
Yes
Who's that girl?
Yeah
It's a mystery
I love that, we're huge new girl fans
You had me at who's that girl?
Who's that girl?
Don't know
It wasn't long before she managed to escape, living off the charity of strangers sympathetic to her plight
She started to appear in society
And her requests for support were granted by Queen Mother, Yosufina, who provided her with a generous yearly pension of
$1,000 reak stroller a year or around $19,450 as of 2015
Okay, so it's something but that's not supporting your princess lifestyle
No, not by a long shot
In 1850 at the age of 30, she started to publicly discuss her royal lineage and began to petition the reigning monarch
King Oscar the first for a yearly allowance
Uh oh, yeah
However, not everyone believed that Helga was who she claimed to be and her pension payments were halted
She soon began to accumulate debts to the people who had been supporting her
Deats she had no means to pay back
Oh, double, uh oh
I think it's another one of those classic cases of living above your means
Kind of in a way, yeah
Like girlfriend, for all intents and purposes, you are a peasant just like the rest of us, unfortunately, for you
It's important for you, yes
Helga had many private benefactors, including Salon hostess Frances Luan von Kook
Who was the spouse of the Minister of Justice, Neal's von Kook
The pair provided her with lodging as well as a lawyer
Which is an interesting combination
I mean that's moving on up in the world
You got a house, you have legal representation
Pretty good?
Yeah, alright
I'm digging it
She also was supported by Anders Booser, a member of Parliament and the Royal Court chaplain Carl Norby
Everyone who met her had no reason to doubt her as she seemed too sensible, almost naive, to be able to come up with any sort of half-truths
Okay
That's a tough one to argue against, I think at that point
She's just a simple country girl, you know
Yeah
All that asylum life
(laughs)
Well, you know, if you're really wealthy, I suppose you don't have to be clever
This is true, you can't
What your money do the talking for you?
There you go, I am ready
I know
Let me look at that Princess life
Yes
11 years after her pensions had been cut
She petitioned to the Swedish government once more requesting her royal annuity
Which she was granted from the foreign department in March of 1861 by King Charles XI
Following a meeting he had with her, after which he claimed the members of Parliament "Why she is just as sane as you or me"
And "Imagine that"
And a woman
(laughs)
Yes, honestly that should be surprising after all of that time in so many asylum
(laughs)
How did she do it?
You know, I think she's okay
You know, up here
(laughs)
It's like the 1830s version of "You can have it all"
Exactly
Maybe she's born with it, maybe it's not mental illness
(laughs)
That's perfect
T-M-T-M
T-M-T-M-T-M-T-M
By this point, many members of not just the Swedish Parliament
But also the royal family became divided on their stance of whether or not Helga was in fact royalty
Prime Minister Louis Dacier and four minister Ludwig Monderstrom were firmly in the camp of those that believed her to be a fraud
Well, they sound like they have the most dickish names
So I'm not surprised
Your names are hard to say
Exactly
You're wrong
Yeah
Helga once again received a government pension this time of $2,400 Swedish week dollar
Which as of 2015 would be around $7,500
As well as furniture be fitting up princess
Okay, well listen
Maybe if somebody's putting me up in a nice spot
I can learn to live on the little less
You know, keep that girlish figure
By trimming down the grocery budget
Maybe she had a victory garden, you don't know
I mean, it's anyone's guess, you know
Exactly
Ye old dietary accommodations
Respections
You know
To be fair, she also continued to receive charity from her many supporters
So she might have been living actually pretty good
They didn't say anywhere how much she was making from her supporters
So hard to say
Hard to say
Many members of the royal family viewed her lineage as legitimate
While many fins and suites who knew of her assumed she was merely receiving unfair treatment by the current rating monarchy
I mean, when has that ever happened though?
I know
Never
They are known for their generous spirit and kindhearted acts of good will
Toats
A long time female companion of Helga backed up her claims as a member of the royal family
She was a well-spoken and properly educated woman
Which helped assure those who doubted Helga of the validity of her claims
This is an interesting thing that I came across
Any press who wanted to verify her claims by reaching out to her mother were blocked
Due to the fact that any communication with de-throwned royalty was illegal in Sweden
Okay, well that complicates things just a touch
And she was also I think still in an asylum
So that also puts a little bit of a
On whether or not what she said could be trusted
Yeah, I guess you got to grease the wheels for you know some orderly there at the asylum
Just put her out on the window you know like with the TV people and then I'll just you know slide on in and they'll be fine
Yeah, that is the ye old version of sliding into someone's DMs
Totally
Solved it
Hey girl, how's it going? You look real good
Hey girl, hey, so what is the sit still me the 411?
Am I the drama?
At least until 1870 when Carl Norby wrote an essay about her that was published in the paper
Which brought up more questions than answers prompting an investigation
Oh, so people are like this is okay, there's some entry here
Mm-hmm, maybe we pull it that thread just a little bit just a little bit
Yeah, in 1876 under the reign of King Oscar the second people started to question if Helga was actually the person she claimed to be
Which resulted in a trial
Oh, I okay what kind of a trial
I'm a little nervous now
At this time Helga was 56 years old
Okay, well does it seem like it kind of doesn't matter
I mean at this point I'd say no but I mean they're royalty so yeah I get it
During the trial which took place between 1876 and 1877
Helga spilled it all providing her real identity that of Aurora Florentina Magnison
Oh, all the hottest tea, mm-hmm, just build all of it
Aurora Florentina Magnison was born on September 6th, 1817 in Stockholm, Sweden
Her father was a custom caretaker named Andesh Magnison who passed away when Aurora was 9 in 1826
She was one of five children and under the care of a widow mother whose social standing was nowhere near Andesh who was well educated
Oh, okay
It was at her confirmation that her mother was overheard saying that Aurora wasn't her biological child
Clearly her foster child
Oh, I know there's so much tea in this
Aurora's mother listed her quote-unquote "real parents" as members of the upper class
Count Dequeer and an unmarried noblewoman
Shut the front door
Scandal
Ah
Whether this was true or not, these simple statements would leave a profound and lasting impression on Aurora
Regardless of her father's social status, Aurora was only able to receive a basic education
In an 1835 at the age of 18, she became employed as a maid and bookkeeper to the headman family
She was only with them for a short time, just three years, as they believed she was "above her station"
Okay, when they say that, do they mean she was acting as if she was above her station?
Okay
Oh, yeah, I wonder why she thinks she's...
Yeah, like, she literally thinks she is
Yeah, like, I shouldn't have to clean for you guys, I'm above you
I'm trying to live my best princess life
And I'll be honest, my job duties are kind of getting in the way of that
Yeah
Like, same
Yeah, you're totally harsh in my groove
(laughs)
Aurora then went on to be hired in 1838 by the wealthy merchant, Henryk Auspedgrian, on Vesterlaungaten 78
Where she assisted the women of the family as they prepared for the balls they attended as a seamstress
Oh, okay, so she might be getting, like, a little bit closer to the action?
Mm-hmm
I was getting, like, Cinderella type vibes right here, 'cause she's, like, helping them with their dresses and stuff
This is, like, major, Bridgerton vibes
Mm-hmm
Given a glimpse of the type of life she so desperately wanted, Aurora implored one of the daughters to allow her to live with the family, proclaiming that she was homeless and had nowhere to go
This daughter, Henryk Auspedgrian, became totally enamored with Aurora, gifting her expensive clothes before the pair eventually left the Auspedgrian household altogether
What?
Now, like, I don't want to, like, spread rumors or anything
Right? I think I know where you're going with this
Given this was, like, in the 1800s
But, in, like, the stories that I read, it made it seem like they were a little closer than just good friends
You don't say
So, I don't know
Yeah
I don't know, and you'll kind of get it as I go through their dynamic, but it just seemed a little, like, they were more bosom buddies
Yeah
And then--
There's a little more to it
Yeah, 'cause I was just, like, that seems, like, really odd to just all of a sudden be, like, I love this girl so much that I'm gonna, like, run away from my house
And we're gonna do our own thing together
Right, especially coming from, you know, obviously some privilege
To just say, I'm walking away from that
Mm-hmm
Yeah
It's a big statement
It is, so I was like, mm-hmm
I wonder if there's a little bit more to that
And if there is, you go girls
But get it, you know, like, I just-- that was a little intrigued by that
Yeah
In 1844, the pair moved to Finland
where Aurora changed her name to Aurora Florentina Dula Brosh, which was the last name of the royal family
Oh, I see what she did there
Mm-hmm
The following year in 1845, she changed her name once more to Anna Florentina Dula Brosh
The transition to her new persona of Dula Brosh was cemented when Aurora Magnison was reported as drowned
Oh, okay, so now we're faking our death
Mm-hmm
Okay, I'm guessing it wasn't for life insurance money, but--
I don't think so, I think it was more like, I need to bury this, like this needs to go away
Wow, okay
So, I was like, all right
The name on her passport would eventually change to the name she was most commonly known as
Helga Dula Brosh, while she and Henrika travel around Finland and Sweden
during which time Henrika worked as a teacher in order to support their lavish lifestyle
Okay, actually having to take a job, huh?
I know
That's tough times
Yeah
In 1846, Henrika established a lady's school in Turku, Finland
capitalizing on the Dula Brosh name to appeal to the masses
There are even accounts that Helga mastered the art of the fainting spell
to avoid unpleasant questions and situations from parents
Hello
Okay, so--
Where did you say this school was?
You know, just Turku, Finland is fine
Okay, yeah, all right, well we'll wrap this up because I do have a flight to catch, right?
Oh no
Two years later in 1848, the pair relocated to Orobro before moving to Sala in 1857
where the pair attempted to create a fashion store but the project failed before it could really begin
Okay, so I mean where did they go wrong?
Are these like yield crocs that they were trying to get out there?
I don't know if it was something where it was like they couldn't get a business loan
or maybe they didn't have enough collateral to, you know what I mean?
I just jumped immediately on the like, it wasn't fashionable fashion
That's the train that I got on
I was like, listen, if they had good fashion sense, somebody would have funded them
It was just too soon for the croc movement
They needed to wait another hundred some years
At least
Yeah, too soon, it was just too soon
They were way too fashion forward
They were like a century or so too fashion forward
Yeah, I would say
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In the 1860s, the pair moved to Stockholm
Where Aurora made the decision to profit off her fake identity
Working to present herself as a long lost princess of Sweden
Can't do that in crocs
No
People will be like, what the hell is going on with your feet girl?
I don't think so
Especially if you charm them out
The way that my co-host does
Cassie has a charm in every single one of her crockles
Oh wow
So you only have one in each of my crocs
Really?
Yeah
She do it up big
Yeah, I'm a little too basic
I'm not that cool
That's okay, that'd be me
I have one that's like a little Starbucks cup on one foot
And then the other one is a little boba thing
And I think it says suck my balls
Hello
Which I thought was the stereotypical
Caffeine and potty humor
And I'm there for that
Mm-hmm
I mean
What else is there?
I don't think I need to add any more to those crocs
They say enough as it is
No, you've got it
The trial drew royal and national attention
With both classes waiting with baited breath for the verdict
On March 2nd, 1877, Aurora was ultimately found guilty of fraudulently claiming to be a member of the royal family
As well as registering herself under a false name, the year of birth
And for not tax registering herself for the year of 1877
Oh, tax fraud, that's always how they get you
Oh, man
You gotta pay your taxes
Yeah, especially if you're committing other crimes
Any tax professional will tell you
Yep
I feel like that was like a last little dick thing they added on there
And not only do you have a false name but you know, taxes
Taxes, you know
Death and taxes, that's the thing
That's exactly in my head, I'm just like death and taxes
Oh no, but are we gonna get a side of death with the taxes in this situation?
Well, surprisingly, she was sentenced numerous fines and somehow avoided jail
What?
Okay, now I fully think that that was, I mean, she was wrongfully convicted
Because if she really did it, they would have given her something harsh
Yeah, like, right?
Hard labor
They wouldn't do that to the princess
Even if they're trying to make her stay a secret princess
That's, um, convinced me otherwise, I don't think you can
Yep
Following the trial, Aurora and Henrica moved to an apartment together
in the Clara Nora region of Sweden where they lived in seclusion
The pair were described as nice old ladies
Who were regularly seen walking in the park, ordered their food delivered to them at home
And rarely spoke with others
Oh my god, this could be, well, this could be me and Cassie
This could be you and Maddie
Right
I mean, how many friends did they have? Maybe this is you, me, Cassie and Maddie
Just living in our little, like, cute little old lady apartment
I love that
I know
The pair surfaced briefly in 1884
When King Oscar II spotted them roaming the drughtening home gardens
and had them removed from the property
Which is, I think, a little over the top
Come on, I was going to say
They're old
They're little old ladies
Have some class
Right, you don't need to kick them out of the garden, God
Give me a break
Even if there were fences, they're not going to be able to scale them
Let's be real
They're little ladies
Mm-mm
After this, the women moved to another apartment in Zjordgleton
Run by Mrs. Maria Charlotte Nyberg in an effort to avoid being arrested
I'm sure they're kind of paranoid at this point, like
I would think so
Like, the king kicked us out of his garden
Where's it going to go?
Yeah
We're going to go in peace
Exactly
Just a year later, Aurora passed away on January 11th, 1885 at the age of 67
As she lay on her deathbed, she shared with friend and artist
Gioch von Rosen
That she firmly believed she was of noble birth
Oh, I know
That's so sad!
I mean, if you think about it though
She was really kicking
I mean, a year before she died, she just like got casually kicked out of the king's garden
I know
Fuck
Right
Wow, that really puts my weekend into perspective
I know, I did nothing with myself
Wow
Okay, well, you know, something to aspire to
Mm-hmm
Maybe next weekend
I know
I need to up my game to get kicked out of someone's garden
Then I'll be kind of close to her level of cool
Right?
Politician Paer Ogoost Uonson sought to clear Aurora/Helga's name in 1909
In the November 3rd, 1910 edition of the Wayne News newspaper
An article ran titled "Sweetish Royalty Fighting Lawsuit involving a ruler"
Sections of the article are as follows
So I didn't do the whole thing, but I just kind of pulled out some interesting pieces
Ooh, a little juicy tidbit
Mm-hmm
Quote, "The amazing action will be resumed to recover $1,250,000 for around $40,000,000 today"
Ho-ha!
From the Swedish Royal Purse
The plaintiff is Pa Uonson, a member of the long sting
He not only seeks to recover the money, but also a number of letters he says were given to the royal family
By the late Anna/Helga/Dula-Brosch
Count von Rosen regards Miss Dula-Brosch as sincere in the claims she put forward during her life
He adds, quote, "If she did deceive, it was because she herself had been deceived
She had from her earliest childhood her statements from which sprang the conviction
to her dying hour that she was in truth the daughter of the king," end quote
Just fair
Yeah, I mean this is all based on what she was told
Mm-hmm
Quote, "After the pension was stopped, she made her first appearance at the foreign office
In general, Lagerheim tried to demonstrate the future of her pretensions
You think then," she cried, "that I am an imposter?
I don't think so.
I am sure of it."
Lagerheim was the reply of the director general
Miss Dula-Brosch got up and went off, quote, "Looking more like a bad tempered woman found out that an offended princess," end quote
Okay, well those things just to be fair, they can look very similar
Well, it's like what does an offended princess do? Like throw her gloves or like drop a handkerchief and like, hoth away?
I, you know, I think we have a real world example of sort of the
One of these things is not like the other with the royal family right now
I think Kate is very much what this is what a princess should look like
And then Megan is apparently oftentimes not
Love her, hate her, whatever you think
Quote, "Mrs. Maria Charlotte Neiburg at whose house the claimant lodged during the last years of her life
Declares her guest frequently stated she was the issue of a secret marriage of King Gustaf's support
She also said she met her father on the island of Fuyen in the sound about 1830
And received from him several letters of such importance to her fortune that subsequently $1,250,000 for the $40,000,000 that I mentioned before
Was deposited in her interest by her Russian relatives with the Swedish royal family
That is really great news if she can produce that letter, am I right?
Right
As to the incidental assertion put in by the defending attorney court auditor Lund Greene
That Miss Dubabrach was identical with a certain Anzora Florentina Magnuson, the daughter of a customs official
Mr. Blancwist, who was her legal advisor in 1870, has filed a law statement in disproof, declaring the allegation is "census"
Okay, well, you know, let's stop throwing around this senseless hysterical crazy
We don't want to end up in the asylum again, do we?
I know
Fourth time, that's so great
It's already been there so much
Three times
Oh man, third time was not the charm
No
The 1910s brought to light some interesting new details about Helga's supposed mother, Frederika of Bowden
Prior to her divorce from King Gustavus of 4, she had named the Russian Zare Alexander I as the guardian of her children
With this new information brought to light, Helga would have been entitled to royal compensation
However, it didn't really matter since the Russian Revolution started in 1917
He and this was several years after her death
Ah, that is so annoying
So that is the story of Helga Dubabrach/Arora Florentina Magnuson
My gosh
I mean, she had some awesome names, Aurora, that's a pretty cool name
I was just thinking to myself, I love the name Aurora
It's all about sleeping beauty bags
Yeah
What do you think? Do you think she was just a con artist or do you think maybe she really truly thought she was?
Oh, I am team Princess Aurora/Helga all the way, for sure
If she wasn't actually royalty, I don't think that she knew any better
Yeah
Well, and given that she did grow up in a asylum, like who's to say what sort of things she would have thought up when she was there
I mean, what sort of orphan kid wouldn't be like, wouldn't be great if I was just a lost princess
In a rain? Yeah
And then the mind has great ways of convincing itself of certain truths
Oh, absolutely
And if no one came out until she was in her 50s saying, oh no, that's not right
How would she know any different?
Especially if people were like, we're going to put you under house arrest because you are this princess that's missing
We want to make sure nobody's going to do anything to you
Exactly, my god, what is she supposed to believe at that point?
Yeah, I agree
I don't know, that's... that's Helga for you
I think you mean Princess Aurora?
There you go, Princess Aurora of Sweden
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Life Curious Women is where you will find honest conversations exploring women's experiences, learning, growing and healing
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Love that! And she was on the last episode of Can You Crack the Cranport
Okay, I thought that sounded really familiar
Yeah, so you can, if you haven't listened to that episode, you can go back and check that out
But we'll have a link to her show in the show
And we have a listener question this week, so you get an opportunity to answer a listener question
Ooh! So our friend, Kieran, wants to know, would you travel back in time so you could stop Jack the Ripper
Or so you could gather more evidence before the bodies were discovered through the future to find out
That is so tough!
So I can just completely stop him, just nip that in the bud
Oh boy! But what is, oh man, dammit, Ashton, I'm thinking of the butterfly effect
I think I have to go back and collect more evidence, because I mean who knows what other aspects of history that I'm changing
And it pains me to say it, but uh, final answer, Regis!
Yeah, I agree with you, I think it's one of those things where it's horrible what happened to those canonical five
And who knows it happened to more women that we don't know about, because there was no Ripper letters about other women
Right! Seems like there's a high likelihood
Especially given how there was pockets of time in between the first three, and then all of a sudden it was the second two
We're just super bam bam bam bam, yeah, and how it kind of escalated to that point like it didn't just start with minor incisions or anything in the first victim
Like it was like this guy knew what he was doing, so I feel like if I could go back it would definitely be together more evidence before he got to the point where he finally stopped
If that is in fact when he did one, so that's the thing, right?
It's so hard to look at some of the gaps in the case and say yes for sure the canonical five that's you know was he killing before that?
Did he continue killing after? Was he? I mean think about all of the conspiracies about other parts of the world that he may have traveled to
And cases all over the world that could be potentially leaked to him
Like the H.H. Holmes theory that oh my god that theory it's a wild one
It is a wild one I was like oh my god I just can't see that that's not his MO though
That wasn't H.H. Holmes MO
She was all about like gassing people and all that other stuff
It doesn't really fit for me you know to my mind but I guess anything's possible
Anything is possible
This is true
Well thank you for that question Kitten, I hope you appreciate how it's possible
Yeah that was such a good question
All right ladies first what is something good you'd like to share this week?
Oh my goodness how did I get to this point and not even it never occurred to me think of you're something good
I know
Oh my gosh well I'm recently engaged and that in and of itself could be as something good
Congratulations, what's so excited
It would be really something good if I could remember to call my fiance that instead of boyfriend
But we're working on it
It's a working progress
It takes a little while to get used to saying that
It does yeah man he's got a whole new title it's a it's a promotion
So that's exciting we actually just visited the first of the two venues that we're gonna go and look at
We have another one this week and we spent a little bit of time with his parents this afternoon
To show them the venues online and it's starting to feel a little bit more real
So it's exciting it's a little bit stressful but yeah
It's mostly exciting so far
Yeah yeah yeah
Yeah that was that was a fun part for us like kind of figuring out where you're gonna have it
Yeah
And all the other little like details that go into it
Yeah
Have fun with that
It's fun
Yeah I think so it should be
All right
Now I'm like thinking in something good that I should that I can share
I knew this earlier
Well there's a real hassle trying to get this episode up
Let's see
I suppose my something good is the fact that my one coworker who works on my team
What up to
Who designed all of our artwork like our logo and stuff
That's so fun
I know
She was unable to make a work trip that she was originally scheduled for in New Orleans
So now it sounds like she's gonna be going to a trade show with me in the fall
Which I'm super excited about
And we're going to Washington DC and I've never been to DC before so I'm pretty excited
Hello Major score
Wow you're burying the lead there
I know so I'm pretty excited
That's something where the reason I thought of it is because my boss
Voked flights this week
She was like are you okay with these flights
No I was like yes
I can be at the airport if I have in the morning that's fine
I just won't sleep the night before it'll be great
Oh no
Yeah
Not excited about that but we'll get home around dinner time when the way back so it's fine
Yeah well that is going to be such a great trip
I have not been to Washington DC either
So you're going to have to fill me in on all of the things that you manage to cram into that little trip and let me know what's up
I know
She and I joke that we're going to try and like sit on Lincoln's lap
I'm not sure that's not going to happen
But ahh
I mean we could try to spider-man our way up but I'm pretty sure someone's going to like try to arrest us if we do that
Jake can not do that
I should do it
It's going to say I'm not entirely sure like you know #nothaloir
But
Do they frown on that?
Pretty sure it's frowned upon but to try to sit on a little pop a Lincoln's lap
But you know well maybe you can use the magic of photography to try and make it look like you're sitting on his lap
You know what I think I think I might know guy
Or you know the magic workshop
But we can pretend
We can pretend
Yeah
And on that note we're going to shut it down
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On Apple Podcasts, Pod Chaser, Good Pods, Podcast Addict
And there are some others out there that I probably don't even know about
And this week's comes from Kids Apple Podcasts
Pretty sure it's Apple Podcasts
And it's from our friend Low Dandy
And it says interesting topics that keep you to the end
She says I met Lindsay in the awesome network and thought I should check out her show
And after listening to the first one I binged for a day
I don't even feel bad for listening to a true crime podcast
Because I feel like I'm learning about interesting historical happenings too
So true
Thank you, Low
I recorded it with her recently for an upcoming episode of Can You Craft a Camboard
And he was very nice talking to her
I actually was also a guest on her show
So when that comes out I will share it with our listeners
In case you're interested about my breastfeeding journey
So
Hello, yeah, that's a fun thing you can hear about
If that's your jam
You're really into learning
Yeah, I'm into learning and sharing
I'm a shareer, I'm a giver, I'm a lifelong learner
I love that
Got something you want to say?
She does an email over at yeoclinepodcast@gmail.com
We'd love to hear your story ideas, see any gifts you send our way
Or if you just want to say hello
We're pretty friendly
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And on that note, as always, I'm Lindsay
And I'm Caitlin
And we'll see you next time with another tail as old as crime.