[Music]
But the Fremont troll isn't the only giant troll in the Pacific Northwest anymore.
Ooh!
Yeah!
Artists Thomas Dambo and the Scan Design Foundation are building 6, 12 to 20-foot tall wooden
trolls across the Pacific Northwest.
They look pretty cute!
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Hi, Caitlyn!
Hi, Cassie!
Hi, creepy people!
Hello!
If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things, creepy and weird and spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
And we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.
So, make sure you stick around if you're into that.
You guys are into that, right?
Definitely.
Okay.
If they're not, I don't care.
I'm into it!
We're doing it, okay?
It's at the end.
You can skip it if you must, but it's fun.
It's a good time.
You should just stay.
It is October.
Now.
It is smack dab full on in the middle of spooky season, not just starting, because I feel like spooky season starts beginning of September.
Yeah.
So we're like fully into it, though.
Now, we are fully into it.
And you might see a little bit later on the tarot video, "How fully in we are."
Oh.
Because we have some pumpkin beers.
We're gonna be drunk and...
Fank!
We got that night owl.
I forget who makes it.
Elysian?
Elysian.
Yeah.
In the spirit of spooky season?
Yes.
In the spirit of spooky season and Halloween coming up this episode is very on theme.
It has ties to Halloween.
Oh, that kind of rent.
Ooh.
I like when I rhyme.
Mm-hmm.
You ready?
Yeah.
This topic is gonna be really, really terrifying.
What?
Really only for one group in particular.
I sincerely hope that no Billy Goats are listening to this episode today because we're
talking trolls.
Are you kidding me?
We have literally talked about Goats and trolls independently.
Yeah.
I cannot.
You remember when you brought up the trolls earlier and I was like, "You're gonna shit."
I...
This is the closest I've ever been.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So, Caitlyn is a lot more psychic in witchy than we all thought.
Agreed.
I think.
Okay.
So, we're not talking about actual trolls.
But this troll does live under a bridge.
Oh.
More specifically under the north side of the Aurora Bridge in Seattle, Washington.
Well, this is known as the Fremont troll despite the fact that it's not under the Fremont
bridge, but it's in the same area.
The neighborhood is called free-mont.
So, that's why it's named the Fremont troll.
So, don't get confused and go trip-trapping on the wrong bridge.
Okay.
This one I feel like is kind of fair to ask if you've been to because it's not haunted.
That...
Yes, that's correct.
As far as I know, because I have been there and I was not made aware of any sort of haunting.
Yeah.
Not that I know of either.
I visited very recently with my bitch Brittany when we went for blink.
And I call her my bitch because in Supernatural, they call each other bitch and jerk.
And so she's bitch and I'm jerk.
So it's not just like a bitch type of thing.
Yeah.
It's like a real solid friendship.
Bitch.
Yeah, bitch.
Okay.
This work of art is a Seattle must.
The famous landmark has its own documentary called The Hall of Giants, The Story of Fremont
and its troll.
Ooh.
Don't get too excited though.
I tried to find it because I really wanted to watch it and I couldn't find it.
No.
Not even like to buy.
I don't know.
I couldn't find it.
If anyone else wants to search harder on the internet for me, I do.
So I had to settle for the articles that just talked about the documentary, unfortunately.
But I even DMed their Facebook page.
Really?
Is there a way to watch this?
And they never DM me back.
They were like, go away.
They're like, why do you want this old documentary about this troll?
You fucking weird.
Yeah.
Maybe I have to answer their riddles three.
Yeah.
Well, since it's not haunted, why am I talking about it?
Yeah.
Because it's cool and it's kind of creepy and historic.
So there.
Love that.
That's all the reason I need.
I mean, I'm with you.
This 18 foot hairy troll is Hulk smashing a Volkswagen old model beetle and has one of
the hubcaps for an eye.
Did you know that?
Wait, what?
Yeah, you're going to have to look at again.
Maybe you should keep that open.
Oh, boy.
This was actually inspired by illustrations of a shiny eyed troll in the child fairy tale,
the three Billy Goat's Graph.
Although sort of odd, the effect is pretty grungy cool, I think.
It fits Seattle well.
Love it.
The troll is meant to be interactive.
You can climb on him, walk up behind his head, which I did, take pictures with him, even
get married in front of him.
Caitlyn, wink, wink.
One, three.
Thank you, wedding venue.
Okay.
All right.
I'm listening.
Yeah.
I guess someone got married in front of the troll, which is kind of cool, I think.
The purpose of the public art was to shine a light on this dark corner of Seattle, where
it was just too easy to hide all kinds of shady underbridge shenanigans.
Oh, boy.
Y'all know what I mean.
You know what happens under bridges.
You can picture it.
Okay.
The Fremont Arts Council was created because of the amount of artists living in the area.
Their previous project, waiting for the interurban, seemed to be a hit.
I didn't know what an interurban was.
It's like a bus streetcar type of interurban transportation.
Well, I looked up.
Okay.
The six life-sized aluminum people and one dog waiting at a streetcar stop got so much
public interaction that they wanted to try using public art to spruce up the Fremont
neighborhood.
By far, the biggest eye sore in the neighborhood was the space under where the bridge meets
the ground.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because it's like that back corner, like the space that's tucked underneath the bridge.
Yeah.
Because that's where all like the shady stuff can be sort of the shady underbridge shenanigans.
Yeah.
She can't make it any more clear people.
There was constant garbage that would collect there.
And they thought maybe if the space was already filled with something, it couldn't get
filled up anymore with trash, right?
Yep.
Or shenanigans.
Shenanigans.
He's already pulled over.
He can't pull over any further.
Like, he's already filled.
You can't fill him up anymore.
I love that.
So the Fremont Arts Council held a contest.
Artists would submit drawings for a piece of art to be built under the bridge.
And the public would vote.
And they voted troll for president.
Yeah.
It's not the first time.
Right.
The project was submitted by Steve Badanes, along with his girlfriend at the time, Donna
Walter, and two of his architecture students, Will Martin and Ross Whitehead.
They only had $15,000.
And Donna personally raised awareness and money for the giant undertaking.
Undertaking.
Get it.
This was Steve's very first statue, and he says the tight budget allowed them to be more
creative with their design decisions.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Mr. Design Build Professor.
Such a professional.
Prostigious Pacific Northwest University man.
That's pretty cool though, that has very first piece was like this big famous public.
Yeah.
Crazy.
It's an installation.
It really is.
I love it.
There's some really cool details about it too.
Like using an actual old wrecked VW beetle.
What?
Yeah, that's not just a sculpted car.
That's a real car in there.
Shut up.
They also want to include something special inside the car.
So they had children from all around Seattle come and put stuff inside like a time capsule.
You know, it's a little different now aren't you?
I always loved him.
The whole community was allowed to help in the construction, which really brought a lot
of people together.
And just a few months later on Halloween of 1990, the fremont troll was completed.
Whoa.
And every year from then on was celebrated as Troll-o-ween.
Troll-o-ween?
Troll-o-ween.
I'm going to go to Troll-o-ween.
Oh my god.
They have like a big celebration.
Seriously?
Yeah.
I want to go.
I really want to go.
What's going on?
Can we just fuck it on?
Just go to the Troll-o-ween.
Hold on.
I'm pulling up the calendar.
Hold that thought.
It's on a Tuesday I think.
On a fucking Tuesday.
What?
Live from Troll-o-ween.
God damn it Drake.
All right.
All future plans.
Anyways, moving on.
In the years to come.
Maybe we'll get paid to go there.
[LAUGHTER]
They cleaned up the area but obviously couldn't completely
eradicate crime.
Unfortunately.
People broke into the statues car many times assuming
that there was more than just priceless memories inside.
What?
People saw.
I know.
They really do.
They're like unattended car must be valuables inside even
those part of the art installation.
These children must have put valuables in there for their time
capsule.
Yes.
Children are well known for donating their valuables to art
installations.
Smart.
Not just a hat rack over there.
Boy.
Once inside the car though, they realize that there's nothing
of material value besides an Elvis bust that was stolen.
What?
That was the only thing stolen.
They're like, this has got to be worth something.
Oh my god.
Or Elvis bust.
Seriously.
Amongst the items is rumored to be some of Kurt Cobain's ashes.
What?
Just a gross rumour.
It's kind of ridiculous to me because he died in '94.
I was going to say.
They would have had to purposely break back in to put that in there.
Right.
So I'm going to do it through this and say false.
False.
Wow.
So Kurt's ashes are definitely not in there.
But someone else's are.
What?
A dear friend to the project, Sandy Smith, sadly passed away
before it was completed and she requested
to still be part of the free-mantral even
after her passing.
So they put a little of her ashes in the car.
Isn't that so sweet?
And I don't think she, like, hunts the place or anything.
She's, if anything, she looks down at it,
like, smiling and happy.
She doesn't like scare people there.
Definitely.
But I feel like I'm understanding better now
why this doesn't look like a car because they've probably
had to cement this so that people couldn't break in
or put other illicit things that shouldn't be in it into it.
Yeah.
Eek.
That makes sense.
So do you think they put cement over it?
Like, it used to be naked?
I'm kind of like kind of side-ying the picture here.
Does the car still look like that?
This is a picture from seven months ago.
Oh, OK.
They fill it with cement.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
It doesn't look like the whole car is necessarily
coded in cement.
It looks more like maybe they took out the glass
and filled it with cement.
The cement that's in the window frames.
OK.
Yeah, I don't know if that was there originally or not.
Yeah.
You'd have to look at old pictures and see.
Challenge accepted.
Yeah.
A couple pictures.
But the break-ins aren't the only shady shenanigans.
I look like how many times did I say shenanigans?
Shenanigans.
So the break-ins aren't the only shady shenanigans
to take place in the neighborhood around the troll.
What?
In '98, a bus tragically crashed into an apartment building
very near the troll.
In 2013, some unsuspecting residents of a nearby home
woke two bunch of sheep schools in their yard
that appeared to still have blood on them.
What?
Why?
No.
I don't think either of these things have anything
to do with the troll.
No.
Unless he's like the rock trolls from Frozen
and he comes to life.
Think so.
I don't think so, either.
But you know, it's possible.
Leaving your leaving space, holding space for that.
There's also another really cool under the bridge
type of public art.
It's called Wall of Death, and it's
located under the University Bridge in Seattle.
It's really cool looking to me, and I want to go.
OK.
It looks like spiky things, like a booby trap.
Like it looks like from the Hunger Games.
Ooh.
Yeah, it's cool.
It had-- it said death in it, so I just
like had to bring it up into the spooky creepiness.
Well, sure.
So we're going to move on.
But the Fremont troll isn't the only giant troll
in the Pacific Northwest anymore.
Ooh.
Yeah.
I'm so excited.
Artists Thomas Dambo and the Scan Design Foundation
are building 6, 12 to 20-foot tall wooden trolls
across the Pacific Northwest.
Yeah, yeah.
They're so cute.
They look pretty cute.
The public art project, Northwest
Trolls Way of the Bird King, is almost completed.
With sculptures in Portland, Bainbridge Island--
Ooh.
How do you say it?
Yes, I've never heard of it.
OK.
Really?
Oh my god, I want to go there.
West Seattle and Issaquah finished,
and Vashon's being unveiled on September 17, which is--
well, before this comes out.
And I'm sure Ballards won't be far behind.
Hey, now.
Do you know where Ballard is?
I don't know about that, either.
I don't know how far of a drive that is, let me see.
I'm learning so much about my area.
So Ballard is, I mean, basically, Seattle.
Let's go.
Troll tour.
We could be there tonight.
Well, Ballards isn't built yet as of today.
Oh.
Right, right, right, right, right.
Like the Fremont Troll, they gave the public opportunities
to help with the construction.
But this public art project was created for a purpose other
than sprucing up the neighborhoods.
They represent environmental sustainability
being made with recycled wood and support
Danish American relations.
Ooh, that's cool.
This is a quote from the website, northwesttrolls.org.
You got to go there and look at the cute trolls while I read this.
I got go, guys.
The project celebrates the human experience
of art by amplifying the connections
of cultural heritage between the coast, Salish, tribal communities,
and Scandinavian traditions.
Thanks for our funding partners and host site partners.
There is no admission fee to visit any of these trolls.
Wait, it's free 99s, free 99.
They also said the trolls not these.
I just want to make that clear since I was quoting.
But yeah, it's free.
Just like the other one, public art, you know?
I love it.
I want to go to the art.
Portland's Troll's name.
I don't think I'm pronouncing it right,
but I like to say Oli Bully. (Ole Bolle)
Go like at Portland's Troll.
O-L-E.
Space B-O-L-L-E.
Oh my gourd, Ole Bolle.
OK.
So we went through a bunch of pronunciations
and we tried to figure it out and we kind of figured it out, hopefully.
So if anyone knows the real pronunciation, let me know.
On the Northwest Troll site, they also have little poems
or kind of riddley things.
So I want to read Ole Bolle's.
Do I say it OK?
I think so.
You say it the way you think it said.
Ole Bolle
See, she says, "Great."
I tried.
I don't know.
Maybe I have a weird mouth thing because Scandinavia.
Yeah.
You got it down.
I don't know.
But I wanted to read his poem because I felt like it's giving off
kind of a Winnie the Poob vibe.
And I think we can all relate, especially us, too.
Prie-ish.
There's something in the air that makes my belly rumble.
Something smells so strong.
It hits me.
It almost makes me stumble.
Could it be the little people cooking something smelly
in the big red cookie jar so I can put them in my belly?
[LAUGHTER]
Oh my goodness.
So he's kind of like peeking in this red little building,
kind of like opening the roof.
Like it's a cookie jar and like wanting to eat what's inside.
That's hilarious.
He's like, this is just a cookie jar.
This is where I keep my cookies.
So remind me of Winnie the Pooh.
I could see him like just getting stuck in this little house
trying to eat a lot of that.
I love that.
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Oh, I should warn you.
My dogs make a lot of noise.
You guys were back.
And don't worry, we did get more wine.
Well, of course.
Caitlyn, I have news.
What?
I have since visited Ole Bolle, who I can now not
remember how to pronounce his name.
Oh, no.
How'd you pronounce it, Ole Bolle?
Do you remember?
I do not recall.
Ole Bolle.
Yeah, I think it was.
Like it kind of sounded like you were saying like old bull.
Yeah.
They remembered.
They just heard it.
Yeah.
True.
So he is so freaking cute.
Oh my gosh.
And the whole little area is just really magical.
It's like gardens and grass and flowers and trees
and little gnomes hidden everywhere.
Ooh.
So cute.
So adorable.
Everyone should go.
Cute.
Yeah, so it's at Nordic Northwestern.
I didn't even know that they had a whole backyard area
with a bunch of stuff.
Cute little buildings.
And so everyone go.
Also, I have a story to tell you.
What?
And I've been dying to tell you since it happened.
I wanted to text you right away, but I didn't.
Oh my god.
So I'm walking around the property.
There's other people around.
And I'm walking around and then I'm walking back up
to the troll guy and there's these other two women standing
there.
And they were kind of looking at me.
And I wasn't really paying attention.
I think I was on my phone, obviously, always on my phone.
And all of a sudden they look at me and they scream.
They scream.
Like, ah!
And I was like, what?
What?
I'm freaking out.
So I'm taking first thought.
I have a ghost on me.
Duh.
Oh.
That's funny.
I thought you're about to be murdered.
No.
That's so telling.
It was, there was multiple people around.
I didn't feel like in danger for my life.
But I did think there was a ghost attached to me and they saw it
or like a demon or something.
Great.
First thing that pops into my head.
Okay.
So it turns out I had stepped on a mouse.
No!
A live, I stepped on a live mouse who just apparently had a death wish and wanted to run
under my feet.
I didn't feel it.
You know, the ground's like bark dust.
It's kind of squishy.
So I don't, I don't feel it.
But then this other woman walked up and she's like, you know, I think that mouse ran under
my feet too and I think I stepped on it.
So you know, at least it wasn't me who totally broke the mouse.
Oh my God.
That's why I've kind of like looked down once I said it was a mouse and I see it like
kind of trying to screw you away.
But it went away.
Oh!
It got away.
I don't know.
Don't run under my feet.
Mouse.
Yes.
I mean, we're saying that all the time to the pod dogs.
Are we not?
That's like my thing.
I stepped on small animals apparently.
Oh no!
I felt like a giant.
I felt like Ole Bolle.
What's it like?
I think you should visit the property and find out for yourself.
I feel like that's just going to make me feel smaller.
Anyway, watch out for the mice, everybody.
But there's also, so I was telling my mom about this episode and she was like, oh, the
troll at the new park in Hillsboro knows what?
Oh, yeah.
And I was like, what?
I had no idea.
So there's apparently a new park.
It's called Hidden Creek Park West.
And it's not really a troll to me.
It looks like a giant monkey or something, baboon or something.
But apparently it's a forest giant.
It's a forest giant.
I guess is what they call it.
Forest giant.
Yeah.
So I went on a rainy day expecting no children to be there.
And there were some kids there.
But I did go and get some pictures, some kid-free pictures of both that I'll be posting.
Okay.
So I'm done talking about the trolls.
You can go and look up all the other one's stories.
They're really freaking cute.
And I can't wait to go see them in person.
But I want to bring up one more thing because I had a major Mandela effect moment while
writing this.
Oh, because I thought Volkswagen beetles were like literally called bugs.
I did not know that they were actually called beetles.
I thought the name was a Volkswagen bug.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I knew the new ones were beetles, but I like for some reason thought the old ones were bugs.
That is so funny.
I know we would play like slug bug and stuff.
Yeah.
But I literally just thought that that's what the car was called.
Yeah, because maybe this is just a West Coast thing or maybe this is sort of unique to the
states.
I can't really say for sure.
But I think we all kind of grew up knowing it as the bug.
I knew that like they were actually like the model name was beetle, but I've always called
it like you said slug bug.
Yeah.
I just did not know that the name was beetle.
Because I went and I was like all the articles kept saying beetle.
I was like, I thought it was a bug.
What the hell?
I was like, okay.
So I googled it and like Volkswagen bugs were not popping up.
It was just like beetle, beetle, beetle.
And I was like, you're like, I don't think it exists.
My reality is not real.
This is then I finally searched and I found something that was like it's like a slaying
term for the Volkswagen beetle.
But yeah, so I was like yesterday, years old.
And I realized that Volkswagen beetles are beetles enough bugs.
Well, I mean, a beetle is a bug, right?
Yeah.
It's just a trippy moment, man.
It's like one of those things where like your whole life is a lie.
All of these formative memories and experiences.
I get that.
Well, I'm going to take you there one day and I'm going to slug bug you've so hard.
It's just occurring to me.
Are we about to have another mandala effect?
Like are we going to get emails from people saying what the fuck is slug bug?
Maybe.
Should we explain slug bug to people?
That's what I was thinking.
Oh, so it's a really fun game when you're in the car with your brother and you see a Volkswagen
beetle and you hit them really hard and say slug bug and they can't hit you back.
Yeah.
I mean, we both have brothers that I'm sure people played it that had sisters.
Yeah.
I mean, we would like hit our mom and dad too, not like hard.
We would just like casually like slap them on the arm.
Oh, yeah.
You definitely saved like the full on punches for your siblings.
Yeah.
For sure.
Sorry, Joey.
I have nothing to add.
I am not sorry to not brother.
I am not sorry.
Okay.
He's pretty cool, I guess.
All right.
Should we do some tarot?
Tarot?
Some troll tarot?
Oh my goodness.
I don't have a troll deck.
Unfortunately.
Damn it.
You were reading my mind.
Do you have a troll deck?
No, but okay.
I'm my nightmare before Christmas when I feel like we're bringing that back for spooky season.
It's October.
Okay.
Pulling it back out.
Yeah.
The other option is like the PNW deck because I think there are beetles and bugs in that one.
Interesting.
Nightmare before Christmas feels.
They're bugs too.
On theme.
My bugs.
Let's do her.
Look how pretty everything is.
It's so Halloweeny and fun.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
That school looks terrifying actually.
Right.
Okay.
Scared right.
Cheers before we start.
Cheers.
Happy Halloween.
troll the ween.
We got our night owl.
Pumpkin beer.
So I shuffled a little.
Do you want to give it a little magic?
Okay.
I'll show off some stuff.
So my troll I got because I had these when I was little.
This is a Funko Pop one.
And it didn't have a little jewel belly button which I was like they have to have a fucking jewel belly button.
So they do right?
Yeah.
So it's like what the fuck?
So I went to Dollar Tree and I got a whole ass pack of bedazzling sticky jewels.
Just choose one for his belly button.
Listen.
I don't want him to feel incomplete.
It's just a silly.
He looks naked.
You know what's hilarious about that too.
Cassie.
You know what's hilarious about that is what we noticed on the skeleton hands.
There's a little.
Okay.
Trolls.
What are we going to get?
Everything's fine.
Everything is awesome.
Is that from the trolls?
I think that's from the Lego movie.
Oh, okay.
You're right.
What's the one from the trolls?
The Justin Timberlake one.
Happy?
Isn't like a...
I don't know.
Oh look.
I'm hearing the whole song on my head.
Oh, here we go.
Can't stop the feeling.
Yeah, the feeling.
Okay.
We got the nine of presents and reverse.
So nine of pentacles and reverse?
Okay.
I don't know if I was too distracted when I pulled it.
I was thinking about Justin Timberlake.
This one says reversed.
This card, reversed, reminds you of your value.
Don't sell yourself short.
Make sure you're getting the compensation you deserve.
Believe in your skills and abilities.
What you have to offer is important.
Adjust accordingly.
Okay.
I think for maybe an art installation.
This was like the first one that the group put together.
This guy is an actual fucking professor of architecture.
But he's like, I haven't done this before.
Maybe that makes sense.
You know, don't sell yourself short.
Yeah.
And they got such a small budget too.
Well, exactly.
Okay.
So key words for the nine of pentacles are abundance,
material, well-being, security, comfort, and success.
Some decks, including the Aquarian and the writer Wait Smith-Tarrow,
depict a woman with a beautiful bird standing in a vineyard.
The right fruit symbolizes a period of plenty and accomplishment.
It's time to harvest your crop because it's fucking bold.
Yeah.
True.
It's spooppy season.
Okay.
We got this shuffling.
In the reverse.
Some stuff is going to happen.
Yeah.
Shuffle, shuffle.
I mean, yeah, reverse.
I will come back to the extra excerpt.
Okay.
The nine of pentacles reversed may mean you depend on someone else financially.
Or your art installation?
Yeah.
And donations for it, you know?
Okay.
Although your situation may be comfortable in the material sense,
you feel trapped or bored.
Hmm.
Like you're literally encased in Smith.
Oh.
You'd like to get away, spread your wings, but responsibilities hold you back.
Perhaps you don't feel satisfied with your success.
Or don't feel you deserve it.
Oh.
Okay.
So, you know, maybe some imposter syndrome.
I have, we get that.
Yeah.
In a reading about money, the reverse nine may indicate squandering money or losing property.
Perhaps due to theft, damage, or deception.
Okay.
Well, that relates.
Yeah.
If you're purchasing or selling property, this card recommends caution.
Okay.
If the reading is about your job, this card can signify boredom or a lack of freedom in your work.
Perhaps you feel you should have accomplished more or achieved a higher position by now.
You may long for a vacation or retirement, but can't afford to leave your job.
Hmm.
I don't know.
We'd have to hit up the professor.
Yeah.
In a reading about love, you may feel stifled or disfigured.
In a relationship, the reverse nine can symbolize a partnership based on money and/or security
that lacks excitement or romance.
It can also suggest lack of independence or equality one person holds the reins.
Oh, okay.
I told you something was going to happen.
Would you do me a favor and just throw all of the cards on the floor?
Did I just drop one?
I didn't even drop it.
It just came out.
Oh, okay.
I thought you dropped more.
Okay.
No.
All right.
Very enough.
So, okay.
Oh, we got another presence.
We got the 10 of presence.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
And it was also in reverse.
Okay.
I'll read the extra excerpt and then we'll go to 10.
Okay.
Some terrorists, including Barbara Moore, author of the Guilded Terror Companion, see this card as a
representing the self-made woman, independent of a man's support and rightful proprietor of her own domain.
Only 27 years before English born Pamela Coleman Smith began her series of paintings that
would become the writer, Wait Smith, Tero Deck.
English Parliament passed the Married Women's Property Act of 1882.
Why do I feel like I'm not going to like it?
I don't know.
Hmm.
History?
Oh, actually, I love it.
Okay.
Which allowed married women to own property.
We didn't like the before.
Yeah.
Okay.
Before that time, a woman surrendered her holdings to her husband upon marriage.
And any property she gained during the marriage became her husband's.
Hmm.
Because men are trash all through history.
Do you want to read your keywords from that one?
Yeah, I can.
So in the reverse, this card indicates you may have an unhealthy relationship with wealth.
Are you acting like a giant snake encircling your vast treasure and unwilling to share?
Or you didn't get here by yourself and you had help in support along the way.
And now it's your turn to help and support others.
Interesting.
That's kind of interesting because these, the neutrals were funded by.
It sounds like.
Shoot.
What were they?
Did I say what they were funded by?
I think that they had the arts organization.
So I would imagine it was a combination of grants.
And it sounded like there was some taxpayer money and then some private donations.
I can't even remember where I was going.
Oh, the help and support of others like they're donating this.
Yeah.
To help the community.
That's where I was.
I'm tired.
I knew.
And a little.
Both.
Yeah, we're going to definitely.
Mow down some pizza after this.
The last of the pip cards in this suit, the 10 represents fulfillment and abundance.
In some decks, the 10th Pentecostal shows a happy couple, perhaps with the child observing their luxurious home contentedly.
The card has connections with family, especially family money and property.
But also the legacy of inherited resources such as good health intelligence,
cultural benefits, cultural benefits.
You have plenty and can now share your riches with others.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
And this was in the reverse as well.
It was.
Yeah.
I'm very confused by this reading a little bit.
You may be so established at this point that you're stagnating.
Maybe you've retired comfortably and now just sit around watching TV.
The reverse 10 of pentacles can indicate problems with family members, perhaps frustration, disagreements or responsibilities regarding a family business, property or inheritance.
Is there any sort of a conflict around the troll right now that you know?
I don't know.
It makes me really, really, really want to watch that documentary.
Yeah.
Because I feel like maybe there's something maybe here that I don't know.
Yeah, that we just were missing that piece of the puzzle.
Yeah, possibly someone find that documentary for me please find it.
I'm going to give it a goog as well.
Yeah.
I'll look in a reading about money.
The reverse 10 can represent losses or debt, which may be related to family troubles or obligations or it can mean you don't inherit as much as you'd expected.
Family feuds over money slash property are possible.
This card can also point to fluctuations in the marketplace or real estate values that threaten your security.
Hmm.
It does really seem to be driving home that like inheritance piece of it.
So that's interesting.
I wonder if there was any conflict with the family, um, Sandy's family with her ashes being part of the institution.
I don't, I mean, I feel like those are probably wouldn't be.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
I'm kind of just.
It kind of is like making me think of how the neighborhood wasn't very good and they wanted to spruce it up and not that the neighborhood wasn't good.
Like that area just like was collecting trash and you know, under the bridge and anions.
So like they wanted to build up that area spruce it up.
I can't remember the word you just said.
Which one?
You were saying something at the end there.
Oh, let's see.
Well, it says this card can also point to fluctuations in the marketplace or real estate values.
Yeah, the real estate values.
Yeah.
So I mean, that maybe just refers to, oh my gosh, I'm so stupid.
What?
Okay, so I like didn't add this part into the episode like that was making me remember it.
There was conflict because improving that area kind of priced out the artists and things and people that helped build the statue.
I was literally going to say I think that this would be like instead of gentrification, it would be just like an art installation that like sort of.
It's like the rough er edges of it without destroying the integrity of the neighborhood, but that makes sense.
It totally does.
I just kept seeing like literally the word gentrification in like my mind's eye.
Yeah, so there was kind of a kind of a thing about it because all of these artists who helped the community be.
Like what it is who helped raise the value then couldn't afford to live there anymore.
Oh, it's awful.
Yeah.
I was like, I don't know why I didn't end up adding it into the episode probably because I was having fun.
I was like, I don't want to bring everybody down.
You're going to shit.
Okay.
If the reading is about your job like maybe as an artist, you may not be using your resources and abilities fully or you may not receive the compensation and success.
You feel you deserve a business perhaps a family operation may hit hard times.
Sometimes this card shows you rejecting the material world for the spiritual one.
In a reading about love, financial and/or family problems may cause friction and unhappiness in a relationship.
Responsibilities for children or elderly parents might play strain on you.
Emotional baggage and old hurts may interfere with your happiness.
So I feel like maybe it's a little bit, it didn't come around to be quite as on the nose as some of our readings can be.
I think it was more just telling me like, okay, you had fun but you do have to point out some of the bad things too.
Like it can't just be glossed over and that was kind of a, yeah, okay.
I get it, Tara.
Oh, okay.
Oh, my goodness.
Okay.
Well, you wrote a pen.
I'm not sure.
What is that?
I need to run and prepare some things for us for our snackajos.
Okay.
So.
So let's cheers and get out of here.
Let's do it.
Cheers.
Happy.
Troll-o-ween.
Pumpkin bears all around.
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I'm like we know and then at the end, I'm like probably.
Probably.
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Where will be even deeper into October?
We're just getting deeper and deeper deeper into that ball.
I was going to say see you next Tuesday unless you're the troll.
Because we're coming for you like ASAP.
Yeah.
We're going to eat you.
You're not going to eat us.
We're coming for you.
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Speaking of trolls.
Yeah.
I visit you.
I need some more wine.
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