1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,320 [Music] 2 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:32,000 Hello everybody, welcome to a very special edition of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,560 My name is Shauna and I am joined today by a serious badass. She is a singer, 4 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:45,360 songwriter, actress, activist. Thank you for being here. Kate Nash. Hi, thanks for having me. 5 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:52,480 Absolutely. What a pleasure. So it is 7.30 in the morning here where I am. 6 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:00,240 I took care of her early and looking so glamorous. This is usually not the 7.30 look. 7 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,160 Absolutely not. It is like absolutely lipstick for Kate Nash. Come on. 8 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,880 I was trying to, I don't have any on, but I do have green nails. 9 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,120 I do like the green nails. Mine are very sad right now. 10 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,440 What time is it where you are? Are you in England right now? 11 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,680 I'm in England. Yeah, I'm in London and it is like 3.30. 12 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:26,080 I have always wanted to go to London. I have never been. Is it cold? 13 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:33,200 It's actually a very nice day today. It's sunny out there. I mean, you can't really see on my camera, 14 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,000 but it's like a really nice spring day. It's been raining and kind of horrible. So everybody's 15 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:45,200 like quite happy out there today. Sounds delightful. I love it. So it's the Pop Culture Junkie podcast. 16 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:52,800 You are going to be my fellow junkie today. I am missing to fabulous co-host today. So you got 17 00:01:52,800 --> 00:02:01,440 to fill in for them, Kate. I'm here. You got to. So what is your biggest fandom? I feel like we 18 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,680 have the same favorite TV show. So I definitely want to dive into some Buffy talk. 19 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:14,640 I think about my Slayer. Yes. Oh my god. Me too. I am such a Buffy fan girl. What is it about Buffy, 20 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:21,360 the vampire Slayer that hooked you? What does it keep this fanbase going after all these years? 21 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:28,240 It's so interesting. I was just thinking as you said that, it's funny that my love for it 22 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:35,200 has, I just feel like, stayed the same if not grown. It hasn't weaned in any way. 23 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:44,560 I remember seeing an advert for Buffy. My older sister had had a sleep over the night before. 24 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,520 Which was a big thing when you were a teenager. Absolutely. I just had a sleep over and she had 25 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:57,280 two of her friends from her secondary school, her high school sleeping over who I just thought 26 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:05,440 was so cool. They were watching Scream. We were all on the sofa the next day and one of her friends 27 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,160 had stayed over and we'd got the bus into her own, got McDonald's and then came home and I was like, 28 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,040 oh my god, I'm so happy right now. My little teen self has just had such a girl crush on my sister's 29 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:22,880 friend. Coolest thing ever. Then I remember on BBC 2 there was this advert that came on and it had 30 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:30,000 the kind of, oh, like, like, in her and I was like, what is this? And Buffy, I just remember 31 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,400 being like in that episode where she's like in the bronze, like on the sneak table. Yes. 32 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Has the steak and she's like standing there looking so cool. And I was like, oh my god, I think my life 33 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,320 has just changed. You feel like that shift to the trajectory right there. 34 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:57,120 An episode and I was like, something really important just happened and I can tell you're 35 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,720 going to be a very important thing in my life. And it really was. And like, there was a couple of 36 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,200 there was one girl in particular called Jordana who I went to school with. It was a huge Buffy fan but 37 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:14,240 also my sisters and my mom weren't huge Buffy fans. And it was just like Thursday night 6.45 pm. 38 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:24,640 I lived for it and I like, it just evokes like a feeling in me of excitement and anticipation and 39 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:32,320 connection. And like, I think looking back on it because I have thought about this a lot. I'm like, 40 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,120 what is the feeling that I got from Buffy that was just so, so strong? And I think that really 41 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:43,680 a show that prioritized this teenage girl and a girl that was like, you know, I mean, obviously 42 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:50,480 she was Sarah Michelle Geller but in the show she was like outcast in her from like, you know, 43 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:57,280 because of her responsibilities, yeah, she ended up being friends with like the nerds and kind of 44 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:03,440 having a hard time as a teenage girl just being teased and considered like the weirdo of the school 45 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:10,000 and always kind of getting into these awkward situations. And it was like that she was so like, 46 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:16,480 basically to her she had to save the world but she also really valued being a teenage girl and to 47 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:22,480 her she was like, you know, being a teenager and like being a teenage girl is as important as saving 48 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,600 the world, you know, there was all these like things going on but she always valued that so much. 49 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:34,320 And I think it like put value on on teenage girls. And I think that we are so often, I'm like we, 50 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:41,520 I'm not a teenager anymore, but as a person has been a teenage girl, teenagers teenage girls are often 51 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:49,680 like, we're like so underestimated. Just dismissed. Just dismissed, manipulated. I didn't think 52 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,680 back to like my first album made bricks in the way people and the media and men in the media would 53 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,560 like talk about it. And it's sort of like smeared, there's certain journalists that will always talk 54 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,640 about me with kind of like a, oh, because I was like a teenage girl like and my record was very like 55 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:10,320 a teenage girl. And I can't stop saying teenage girl. But I feel like I'm still a teenage girl 56 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:19,840 almost at a time and I'm 34 years old so it's fine. I'm like 12, too. But I think like it was just 57 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:26,000 something that validated being a teenage girl and like it was actually so loved and respected. 58 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,320 And even though she was like an outsider and a nerd and like she fought for being respected for 59 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:39,360 that. And also like people did really value her. And she was strong and she fought back and she went 60 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:46,160 out to save the day as like a young woman. And I think that it was just so needed in my life to see 61 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:54,240 that. And I've just never stopped loving her. Same, hard same. It's my comfort show. It's what I put on 62 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,200 when I'm like I just, I need something that I know how it ends. And that makes me feel good while 63 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:05,520 I'm watching it and that I can still laugh at and amote over. You still know like all the lines. 64 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,000 And also if you're going through a hard time you're like I'm just going to watch season five and then 65 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,240 I know I can get through anything that life does. Yes, yes. As long as you skip like the body then 66 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:24,240 you're good. Season five. So I read that you produced a musical based on what's more with feeling. 67 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Is that right or a stage show? I did. Yeah, with my friend Emma, like, 68 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:35,360 Emma from Emma the great. We were both hearing through breakups and we went out one night 69 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,040 in London and got drunk and we were talking about the musical episode of Buffy and Buffy and 70 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:48,560 came back to my house and watched. I watched once more with feeling I'm laughing so much. And we were like 71 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:56,640 this is the most amazing thing ever. We need to recreate this and put it on the stage. We're 72 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,120 sort of like drunkenly swaying through the night talking about it. And then the next day I think 73 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,840 I was just sort of like hung over in bed and she called me and she's like I've booked to venue and I was 74 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:15,040 like what? I love when those drunken plans get solidified the next day. Yeah, when someone sees a 75 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,320 drunk and planned through that's like that's just like a person and that's someone I really respect. 76 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Yep. So we put on once more with feeling and really like massive my band did most of the work 77 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,400 because they had to like learn the score and we had different characters come in and people dressed 78 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,080 up and it was Halloween and then we screened the episode afterwards and it was one of my favourite 79 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:42,080 shows. It was so funny. It was like definitely like a teenage dream thing to do. I like a kind of 80 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,840 like community thing to do too because it's like almost like community theatre vibes. 81 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:54,480 Oh my gosh. To be in that audience like just that sounds amazing. 82 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,840 Maybe I'll do it again this year because I'm back in London. I've been living in LA for like 83 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,680 nine years and I just need back to London because I have loads of work here this year and maybe I'll do it 84 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:12,720 again. I think you should and then I'll finally make that trip to London. Oh I love that. Okay, 85 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,960 most important question of the podcast and then we'll get over our buffy chat because I'm sure 86 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:27,200 we could go on forever. Spike or Angel? Spike. Yes, she's team Spike. Same. Same. Oh my goodness. 87 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,600 My favourite Spike is when she's like, what are you doing outside? What are you doing outside? 88 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:42,720 I'm house Spike and he's like out for a walk bitch. Five words or less. Oh I love it. Absolutely. 89 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Spike girl. I mean no offense to Angel. He's Broody. He's handsome but yeah. I did watch Angels 90 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:58,000 but it went off. It went off a little of paste a little. Oh my god. It got so goofy there at the end with 91 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Jasmine and everything. I watched it all too because that's what any buffy fam girl does but 92 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:12,240 so what are you watching right now when you're you know in between work what what goes on your TV? 93 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,920 What are you listening to or reading? Oh my god. Okay, so I'm reading this book right now called 94 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Holding the Baby by Nell Fruzel and I guess I'd have just got back to London and I was in a bookshop 95 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,120 and you know when you like well I don't know if you've had this experience but I've lived away 96 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:35,520 from home for a long time so then coming back everything is even though it's so familiar as kind of 97 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,720 weirdly in a style. You're thinking of all these like themes in a new way. I was in a bookshop 98 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:46,240 and I saw this name Nell Fruzel and I was like oh my god I know that's Nell like I was friends with Nell 99 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:53,440 when I lived in London years ago and then someone that I lost touch with and I didn't realise had 100 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,840 published books and so I bought the book and it's about motherhood and it is an absolutely amazing 101 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,760 read. It's basically you know it's like I think it's called like milk in the front of the book. It's 102 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:13,040 has like milk blood and tears or milk skin tears from the front motherhood and I don't have kids 103 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:20,080 but a lot of people in my age now do and it's just really interesting to read such an honest 104 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,760 take on like parenthood and how difficult it is and being really open about 105 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:33,040 every single aspect of it and how hard it is and I'm just like speeding through the book. It's 106 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:41,120 an amazing read and I think for anybody who's like I mean when I saw it I thought I wonder if by 107 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,400 you know like mothers obviously buy this book. I was like men should buy this big too and then I was 108 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,280 like I should also be reading this book because I don't have kids you know so I just think the more 109 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:58,240 that we can understand each other's experiences the better really because you just learn about like 110 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,240 other people's worlds and yeah it's an amazing amazing read so I'm reading that I'm like nearly finished. 111 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Oh that's awesome I love a good book I have so many half-read books that I just need to sit down 112 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,560 and focus on yeah and I totally agree it's just I don't have children either but it's so important 113 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:19,680 to just see it through another person's eyes sometimes especially because you know so many of our 114 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:24,960 girlfriends are going to be having kids right now and it's just what are they experiencing how can 115 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:32,000 I relate to them yeah. Totally and how can I be more like supportive friend or just ally I guess 116 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:42,240 absolutely as like mothers are going through a lot and what am I listening to I am well she does 117 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:49,760 have a podcast as well called The Panic Years which I think is a great title where she is a different 118 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,880 people really it is about motherhood but it's also about people that chose not to have kids or 119 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,480 you know dads or like people with fertility issues and it's just like really important discussions 120 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,640 I think which is really interesting and then I also listen to like Justin Long's 121 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:11,920 podcast I think of Justin like as a podcast that's awesome yeah he started it in the pandemic I think 122 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:17,440 it's him and his brother and it's just like they're really like fun to listen to I love him yeah I 123 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:25,520 love him too and I loved barbarian yes it was so good oh god it was so good it like you did 124 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:32,400 actresses British oh really that's awesome I'm really proud and he's just like someone's 125 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:38,320 British and film I'm not that so cool I'm happy is it for the prince I love it yeah you go into that 126 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,440 movie you have no idea what it's gonna be about and then it completely just comes out of no way 127 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,320 like when that scene where she's like leaning against the thing and these just you're just like what 128 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:57,440 and then it can't straights like Justin Long like singing sorry spoiler yeah it's okay but oh my god 129 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:03,360 I love that film I love a fun horror film that's also scary like that's the best me too I love 130 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,080 that yeah I love it when it it's great it's genre-defying kind of like Buffy it's like I could see 131 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,000 it's got like those horror elements everything comes back to Buffy in the end right 132 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:22,960 everything comes back to me what else am I watching well I haven't started yet but I really want to 133 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:29,120 watch succession oh yeah although I will say it's it's like not the most enjoyable show because it's 134 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:35,600 so stressful it's like when I'm watching succession I'm like I can't wait for this to be over because 135 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:42,320 I'm obsessed but I it's just the most incredible writing and I really like Lucy Preble who is one 136 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,640 of the writers on succession and she also wrote I hate Susie starring Billy Piper which I don't know 137 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:55,120 if you've seen no I like Billy Piper though I think I'm gonna love it it's an amazing amazing show 138 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:03,120 about sort of like I mean there's a lot of things in it that mirror her career but like she it's 139 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:09,760 not autobiographical but there are things that mirror her experiences like being sort of like a singer 140 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:19,440 TV star that's kind of trying to come back basically into the meet and it's just a really unique show 141 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,400 and it's she's absolutely incredible in it so I've really been enjoying that I'm gonna have to 142 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,640 look that up is it on like the BBC I'm sure I could probably stream in the US somehow 143 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:38,400 HBO in the US oh cool okay awesome I hate Susie yeah well well well are you into like Marvel or 144 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:46,240 Star Wars anything like that I I you know what I'm not massively but I do love the Mandalorian 145 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:53,360 yeah me too and and you see that that thing going around of what's his name from 146 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:02,080 head to the hotel yeah Pedro Pascal was in Buffy yeah I did I love that we talked about that a couple 147 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:08,560 of the sets ago and he's in the premiere of season four and he's so cute and young and then just 148 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:19,520 dies immediately I know but yeah like I just like feel I mean I'm like obsessed with the way people 149 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,800 are culturally obsessed with him as well he seems like such a nice guy I don't know if that's all 150 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,120 just I don't feel like it's an act though I feel like he just seems like a genuinely like he's a 151 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:38,480 goober there's a weird interview with him what's the identity of him on uh I can't remember but it's 152 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:46,480 like one of the big podcasts and he is basically talking about like how long it took for his career 153 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:53,440 to take off and how much doubt you have to overcome and like a lot of acts like were really there for him 154 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:00,160 during that and like I think it was Kate Blanchett or something gave him oh no was it Sarah I can't 155 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:06,160 remember what actress but someone gave him like a car and like people would like look out for him 156 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:12,000 because he was respected and loved amongst his peers and like people wanted him to get work and 157 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,720 you know get a being an actor as a strange job because you just don't have a job until you get a job 158 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,720 and then you get a job and you're like ah working and then you don't have when that ends you don't 159 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,520 have a job gets your whole focus for you know months at an end and throwing yourself into someone right 160 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:35,040 and then just oh I guess we're done yeah but I feel like really I'm so happy with how much everyone's 161 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,480 obsessed with him and how much success he's getting I like that I like it when you see people who see him 162 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:46,400 nice like succeed and everyone rallies around them like brinjan freer yeah just like 163 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:53,040 let's start yes glorifying and lifting up nice people some more you know and wanting them to succeed 164 00:17:53,040 --> 00:18:01,520 yeah it's so cool I love that yeah I mean I've I watched coffee wars this week but we'll get into 165 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:10,400 that after our break amazing yes and oh I saw the new Creed movie Creed 3 166 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:18,160 oh yeah it's really good um I'm not usually a inspirational sports movie fan that's our other 167 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,520 house Nicole but those don't seem like this they're just really neat and Michael B Jordan is really 168 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,400 good in them and man I could I could watch him in anything he could just read the telephone book just 169 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:40,000 stand right there Michael be it's fine oh man but yeah let's uh let's take a short break and then I 170 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:51,520 want to launch into all things Kate Nash okay Kate so when you first started and decided like 171 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:58,480 what you wanted to be when you grew up did you see yourself as a singer songwriter was it acting 172 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:05,680 your first to love how did the jury begin I actually do you have a diary entry from when I'm little 173 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:15,520 really small I loved writing in my diary and uh I wrote I wanted to be a singer and an actress 174 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:21,040 and a teddy bear maker and an ice cream lady you still have a way to go with some of those then 175 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:29,680 I still have a way to go yeah I'm not quite there yeah I love it yeah apparently always wanted to do it 176 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:37,360 and um I just loved singing so much and I loved like being part of storytelling I loved being in 177 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:47,040 plays at school and I think uh it I just always always enjoyed it yeah awesome uh did you write I mean 178 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:52,800 music growing up or did you just kind of did made of bricks come to you I mean what was the process 179 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:58,800 of writing that yeah so I went to a school called the Brit school which I was very lucky to get into 180 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:05,600 I auditioned for it and um it's a free performing arts school in London awesome which is amazing 181 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:12,480 because we need like free performing arts access to everybody otherwise absolutely rich people can be 182 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:21,920 performers and and I think uh that school I studied theatre there so I'd grown up like playing piano 183 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,040 and writing songs and loving music and then I just started taking acting classes and I got into 184 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,400 the Brit school and I I applied to be in the theatre department which was a little bit of a curveball 185 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,680 like from my perspective but um I'd gone to an open day there and I was just so impressed with the 186 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:43,440 theatre team and and theatre department that I was like I really want to try this and I'm so glad 187 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:49,360 that I did because I really think that being part of theatre and doing so much storytelling through 188 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:55,200 plays and monologues and like learning to write scripts and it was just such a creative environment 189 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:01,200 and I think it really honed my songwriting skills because I really just was storytelling through a different 190 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,400 medium and I think that's why my first album is the way it is you know it's quite theatrical like 191 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,560 skeleton song and mariello and little red and I've wanted to tell these like fairy tales almost 192 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,240 through music so it was very influenced by my experience at the Brit school just kind of growing up 193 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:28,160 as a teenage girl a teenage girl in London yeah I love that our co-host Haley had foundations as her 194 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:35,760 my space song and she said that her uh her mom and dad did not approve of it 195 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:43,440 I think some of the language in the album which is hilarious knowing Haley she's our I've never 196 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:51,840 heard or even say H.E. double hockey sticks she's so hilarious so I want to talk about girl talk 197 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:59,280 and the influence that right girl music has had on you how did that album come to fruition um 198 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:06,160 yeah so I guess really it started with my second record my best friend is you which is the sort of 199 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:13,840 beginnings of me expressing myself in like an angry way I was always into well no I wasn't always 200 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:20,560 into punk music I got into punk music at like 16 or 17 years old when I was working in a shop 201 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:29,520 called River Island selling like clothes and I hadn't gotten into university and I bought this 202 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:39,280 buzzcock's record and I was like oh this feels like me and I suddenly I think I always thought 203 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:45,600 some writing before had to be so like poetic and all of a sudden the buzzcooks were just telling me 204 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,880 like how they felt and it was pop really in my opinion but and it was simple but it was still really 205 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:58,480 important um and I thought I can write like this and so I loved the buzzcooks and then I went down to 206 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,240 to the spit-all-fills record market that I had on I think it was on Wednesdays back then I don't know 207 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,360 if it's still on even but I went down there and I had those all these like bloke selling records and 208 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:15,120 I just went up and I said I really like punk music I think because I love this buzzcooks record 209 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,920 and I don't really know anything about it and I really want to know and he loved it got out all 210 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,440 these albums for me and he was like yeah teaching me all about British punk let me show you the way 211 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,720 yeah it was really cool he was like really it was really great and um and so I got into bands like 212 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:37,040 the adverts and the zips and like just just like British punk really there's punk compilations 213 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:43,680 called boards at teenagers like I got really into and and and so my punk journey began then and then 214 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,520 when my first record came out my life kind of changed really drastically and I was just treated 215 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,320 quite badly by the media you know I would sort of be like the guardian would be like rolling the 216 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:01,600 eyes and being like very like oh she's like I don't know the guardian of was kind of like doff all of my 217 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:08,320 creative work because I was harsh enough or something but um and then also the daily mail we're like 218 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:14,640 highlighting my acne and and like and lots of online media with pulling me like too fat and too ugly 219 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:22,000 to be a pop star to the daily mail sucks like she's oh my god I can't imagine talking about anybody like 220 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:28,480 that let alone I mean somebody who's so young it yeah and I was just you know it was difficult and 221 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,880 and I also was experiencing sexism in my industry and the music industry and like how it was so 222 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:42,960 male dominated and how those men would sort of treat me and talk about me and I started to get really 223 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,400 angry about that I know I know I was in a relationship that wasn't happy in and I was dealing with like 224 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:55,520 a bunch of shit there as well and I just started to write a bit more expressing that anger yeah 225 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:01,600 and then hi my best friend as you uh was done there was just so much going on in my career that I 226 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:10,000 felt out of control of in terms of who I was employing and then I realized I can fire everyone and I did 227 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:19,040 yes love it right and then I got dropped by my record label although this didn't happen 228 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,240 I didn't get dropped straight away so I think I like had this big break up I was like angry at the 229 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,280 media I was angry with how I was being treated I didn't like how I was being treated in my own workplace 230 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:35,520 and I realized I could fire everybody so I hired like an all-girl band and I wanted like women on stage 231 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:43,760 and I wanted to like take some control back myself and my life and um yeah I just decided like I'm 232 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,760 going to go on this like rampage of like getting really into like the punk music I was into and the 233 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,000 riot girl movement that really inspired me and have girls on stage and like really connect with 234 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,520 all these teenage girls that the media are writing about in this negative way well I'm going to like 235 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:06,480 connect with them and like make something for them that they can listen to yeah yeah and all my fans 236 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:13,680 are like they are they do kind of have this like outside feel you know it's like people that are 237 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,880 misunderstood or underestimated or in some way often like I'm drawn to my lyrics and so 238 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,120 I feel like I became so close with my fans and I wrote this like angry guitar record inspired by the 239 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:31,040 riot girl movement and punk music and my label just got like less and less communicative with me 240 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:37,360 and then they dropped me and I just sort of I felt like I describe this time as being like on a train 241 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:45,280 where the driver is dead and me and my band were like at the back of the train character we had to 242 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:50,320 like get the front before and it was like going to go over like a train track that like was 243 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,200 yeah get to the front before it's all destroyed yeah and we had to like get to the front and try and 244 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,920 take the wheel and um and that's what those years were like which were very chaotic as you can imagine 245 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:07,200 but also yeah really quite fun and uh they also just like completely shaped me and made me the woman I 246 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,040 am today like I'm so grateful for those chaotic years and that doesn't mean I'm grateful to people 247 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:19,840 that like treat me badly but I'm grateful that I like navigated those experiences with people that 248 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,480 I did who have my back and like helped me learn and grow it on the way and um yeah they just kind of 249 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,080 have just made me who I am can't imagine not going through all that stuff now right like looking 250 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,880 back on yeah just shitty times or anything where you felt like you were underestimated things weren't 251 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,920 going your way and then making it back on to the other side and you have those people that made it to 252 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,600 the front of the train with you and you're like okay this is my squad like these are my bitches yeah 253 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:57,360 like true anything now absolutely oh I love rye girl music too I love um war on women and petrol girls 254 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:06,320 yeah so any any of that music it just resonates with me so much especially since uh I don't know 255 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,720 when there's different legislative things coming down the track and the United States and you know 256 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,640 things are just changing I'll just sit in my car and I'm like okay it's a day that I need that playlist 257 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:23,200 yeah you tell us it to some like fuck the patriarchy music right now I'm sad do you know I'm skating 258 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:30,080 poly no skating poly oh my god I've just changed your life like you're gonna be obsessed with them 259 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,080 you should actually interview them because they are oh that'd be sick they're two uh sisters and 260 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,720 actually their brother is also in the band um Curtis he joined the band later but they've been 261 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,720 like a band since they were like kids really little kids like Kelly I don't know how she was she must 262 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,840 be like 10 nine or 10 when she was first in the band I mean there's footage of the first gig and Kelly 263 00:28:51,840 --> 00:29:00,400 Kelly's like I'm like oh wait she's like this tiny little girl I've been waiting yep um and I met them on 264 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:07,040 the girl during the girl talk era uh somebody introduced them to me like showed me a music video 265 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,720 and I was like these girls are so cool I've got to get them to open up for me and they opened up two 266 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:20,880 shows to me and one was in Chicago and it was Halloween when I met them and when I met them uh Kelly was in 267 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,560 uh like a bride outfit dead bride like covered in blood and she had this like platinum hair and 268 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,080 she was just really she's like so much energy and she's like talking and she's just a little kid and 269 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:37,120 she's just like oh no she's such a spirit and then Hayton was like silent and she had a hand 270 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,080 homemade Dalek costume from Doctor 2 and she was just really quite a mysterious and I was a bit scared 271 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,840 of her and I was thinking oh my god it hits me um but it's you know like it reminds me of Dynamics and 272 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,280 then my I have two sisters it reminds me of like some of our Dynamics and then they got on stage and 273 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,720 they opened up and just blew me away with this performance and they're just incredible incredible 274 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:07,360 songwriters like electric performers they're so prolific they've made so many albums even though they're 275 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:13,760 so young oh my gosh they've poured for years and they're just they're like they're they're almost like 276 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,360 veteran rock stars but they're they're only like 21 like they've just been like doing it so long 277 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,440 and they're one of my favorite bands ever and I feel when you need a moment like that where 278 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:33,040 you just need some like emotion and some raid and just like like powerful women like kind of giving 279 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440 you hope in the world and expressing how exactly how you feel I will always listen to them 280 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,120 that's amazing thank you for the recommendation I'm absolutely gonna check that out 281 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,920 any music that Kate Nash tells me to listen to I'm gonna listen to it's gonna happen 282 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:57,040 so and then your album after Girl Talk you funded through Kickstarter right yeah so I funded my fourth 283 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:05,440 album through Kickstarter and that was nerve-racking but beautiful really because it again like just 284 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,240 connected me with my fans and gave me independence and an opportunity to put out a record 285 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:17,680 without signing to a record label yeah so I still haven't done and I'm like working on a new album and 286 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,720 yeah like I really value my independence now even though it can be difficult navigating the 287 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,440 music industry I think that you just learn each time you put something out you learn something new 288 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:39,200 and it's just it's a career that will never be one path it will never be oh here's the guidebook 289 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,360 on how you will you you work in the music industry it just doesn't have that because it's different 290 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:52,000 for every single artist you know so yeah I am still navigating it now for my next record but I'm excited 291 00:31:52,000 --> 00:32:01,520 and I feel inspired to like keep writing records and yeah what's the like the sound like for your next 292 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:07,200 album coming out I mean is it gonna be more of that like punk kind of aspect in there any hints you 293 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,800 can give us the puts to come yeah so I was really inspired actually worked on a musical in New York 294 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,800 talking about once more feeling I worked on a musical where I closed the all of the music for the show 295 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:27,040 and so I was very inspired by like string arrangements and like writing for a musical so there's 296 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:33,200 a bit of a musical theatre influence in my new awesome yeah so going back to my Buffy days 297 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:43,360 once again all comes back to Buffy oh that sounds awesome thank you very exciting is that 298 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,880 gonna be 2023 that will I don't know who knows I'm like in the middle of planning that now so time 299 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,480 will tell time will tell whenever it feels right absolutely when it feels done so I want to talk about 300 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:05,840 your acting career as well yes me too yes so what you know helped you transition or what did that 301 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,560 feel like when did you take your first acting role when did you think okay this is something I 302 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:18,400 want to try now too um I so I was doing theatre at the Brit school like I said and I basically just 303 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,240 always wanted to do it and didn't have an opportunity so I met my acting manager because of my 304 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:30,640 music because her daughter was into my songs she was into my music and so she came to one of my gigs 305 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,720 and she'd read that I went to the Brit school and I had an interest in um you know acting and so I 306 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,400 started auditioning with her and going out for things and then I got my first role in 2015 in a 307 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,640 pilot that was directed by Gus Van Sant and Junji Cohen um and that was just such an amazing 308 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:56,960 experience of starting starring Eddie Isard um and it didn't get picked up yeah it was set in 1800s 309 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:04,480 it was like Salon which is like it was really cool that's awesome yeah so cool but um 310 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,720 Junji was producing a new show called The Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling and I auditioned for that 311 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:17,200 and I got the role of Ronda Richardson in Glow um and yeah that really felt like my first proper job 312 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,840 I'd done a couple of short films and I did the the pilot that didn't get picked up but Glow was like 313 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:29,920 my first you know like a show that really went out into the world and um I just loved it so much um 314 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:37,520 and so I loved Glow I watched Glow it's just the best it was the best like the girls everybody on 315 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:45,200 that show is just so incredible to work with um but yeah I uh that's like you know what 316 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,720 but how coffee wars came about because I was acting and I was working on Glow and then I got an audition 317 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:58,640 for coffee wars um so yeah which is kind of what I'm here to talk about really 318 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:08,880 yeah absolutely so I watched coffee wars it is so cute I was cracking up the entire time I didn't 319 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:16,000 expect it going into be so like raunchy and I loved that anytime there's a poop joke I'm gonna 320 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:26,240 laugh like oh my it kind of reminded me of um of a dodgeball in some like points of it which I 321 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:32,080 think is such a good movie too um but yeah let's let's talk about coffee wars I mean what was it like 322 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,840 unset it looks like you guys just had a lot of fun drank a lot of coffee right we did drink a lot 323 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:45,760 of coffee um we had so much fun it was just I mean it's such a fun cast um it's a really funny like 324 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:54,000 script it's got this important message I'm playing a vegan coffee booster um and I'm kind of like 325 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:02,000 failing I guess like losing money and uh my character enters a coffee competition which is based 326 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,000 on these real world championship like coffee competitions that I they have into Brovnik and um 327 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:14,560 my character's trying to like make it work and save the world one cup of coffee at a time so it's a 328 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:20,800 comedy with a message and I think comedy is a great way to spread like any kind of message because it's 329 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,200 not yeah look I abonbarded these days with bad news and like difficult things and I think that like 330 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,200 laughing is a great way to take in a message because you don't have to feel horrible while you learn 331 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,080 how to do things in a better way for the planet and for animals you're like there's facts sprinkled 332 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:47,760 in it so she would talk about you know how many gallons of water it takes to produce um like one 333 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,680 gallon of cow's milk and so it's like there's there's facts in there but they aren't it feels natural 334 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,680 that Joe is saying this she feels like within her character yeah yeah she's quite intense and she 335 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:06,160 also is often the butt of the joke and it's not like you're necessarily she's not the one like 336 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,280 making all of the best decisions or always in the right or anything she makes mistakes and I think 337 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,800 that that's such a great way as well to like get a message across because you're not like being 338 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,040 Joe is quite preachy but she's not always right so you're not like like constantly thinking like 339 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,520 she's doing the right thing you know I mean it's not kind of forcing it down your throat and 340 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,720 and there's a team of misfits which I love a team of misfits and yeah and really funny actors in the show 341 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:41,680 that in the movie that was just so fun to work with I'm I really loved working with Toby Sebastian 342 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,920 because we had so many scenes together and he plays oh he played the guy with the nose ring right 343 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,800 who is competing against you oh my gosh he was so just funny and such a dick like I wrote funny 344 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:03,120 his physical comedy is like ridiculous yeah we shot in Serbia and also in Colombia so I got to 345 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,920 go to Colombia and see like real like coffee fields and that's amazing Maria Kansita who's just 346 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:16,880 incredible as well like physical comedian um I mean we just we had such a good summer making this 347 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:25,120 movie it was so much fun and I think it's a really bright colorful um fun movie that I ever hope 348 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:32,400 that people love I agree it's really just fun to look at like the color palette is just so bright 349 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:39,600 and draws you in I mean even Joe's hair and her wardrobe it matches her personality so much with just 350 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,720 how you know outspoken and passionate she is like of course she has to have green hair 351 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:51,520 of course she does yeah my boyfriend um did the hair actually um he worked doing 352 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,280 his hair so I needed hair on the movie as well but we were talking at the beginning basically about like 353 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,720 wanting to have this colorful hair and it kind of um there was like a few movie references that we had 354 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:10,720 that uh eternal sunshine of the spotless mind was one where the hair is like such a part of 355 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:17,520 a character and it's this kind of crazy hair but it's also weirdly natural on her and it feels 356 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,520 really lived in and like green it was such a like obviously because of like going green for the planet 357 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,080 kind of had that you know connection that like even her hair has a message but it's like fun and 358 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:35,440 bright and colorful and um and yeah her clothes we loved like both Sresha you know Sresha 359 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,200 Monica Jackson from Derry Girl amazing in the film we just loved our wardrobe because it was so 360 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,360 colorful it's so colorful oh she was so cute in this movie and I loved that she worked at the 361 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:58,960 bookstars for a second show goes and saves her so cute what are some like good stories you have from 362 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,800 set did you guys all go out together while you were shooting it what kind of camaraderie was going 363 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,240 on behind the scenes bar on top of the hotel that we'd like all hang out in and there was a night 364 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,240 club that some people would go and party in but I didn't do a lot of partings I just had so many lines 365 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:23,040 and so much work to be who that I was often like trying as much sleep as possible um but we did drink a 366 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:30,000 lot of coffee together um and we got taught how to make coffee by real coffee championships like the 367 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,840 the beer winners and they have this amazing coffee shop called Bloom that they like owned in 368 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,920 in Serbia and we'd go there on the weekends and um yeah like we all just stayed in the same hotel 369 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:50,640 so that's really fun when you're kind of on this little trip it's like not a it's like a weird like 370 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,240 summer camp feeling you know yeah yeah it's like all sort of living together but separately and like 371 00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:02,480 getting to go to work together every day and in a new country and um me and Toby just laughed 372 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:10,400 he just makes me laugh so much like he's so fun to work with and if I was like tired because it 373 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,920 was really hot that summer and if I would like get like tired he'd always be like making me laugh 374 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,480 and kind of turning and if I was like you know when you're like really hot and really exhausted like 375 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,360 I'm about to switch into being such a bitch right now because I'm gonna go in a cranky mode here in a second 376 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:31,040 and he would always like stop that from happening because it was just so funny like being around him 377 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,480 you're chemistry in the movie with him was so good I was like I know they're supposed to be 378 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,160 enemies but these two are just so good in the same room together just bouncing off the little 379 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,800 barbs waffee each other yeah it's really good to have a fun enemy I think right I'm chemistry to like 380 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:55,520 hate someone on screen but like love them in real life absolutely so do you know how to brew a good 381 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:04,080 cup of coffee I actually do yeah awesome I learned why you get bad cups of coffee in terms of like an 382 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:11,120 espresso because it's actually a recipe which I didn't realise so the way of it's like all it's very like 383 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:19,600 specific and I just didn't know how detailed that it yeah and when you actually know how much like 384 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,040 detail goes into a cup of very good coffee you understand what what the difference is between like 385 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,600 like why you why you go in a coffee shop and get a great like flat white or a latte and then you go 386 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,880 into one you're like yeah it was just okay and it's like in the details and we got taught all about that 387 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:42,000 by Lamazokko people at Lamazokko but also by the championships in Serbia and but I will say my art 388 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,440 we got taught how to do like foam artwork and mine was horrendous I 389 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,280 I'm so amazed now when I go and get a coffee and they do like a little heart or something and I'm 390 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,560 like oh my god that's amazing how you do that I'm so excited I have to like Instagram it immediately 391 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:05,120 on one of those people who's like okay I'll enjoy it but first I have to like look at this really hard 392 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,440 yeah hard to do it and so I respect it even more now that I know how terrible I am at it 393 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,920 if you're going to a coffee shop in London where are you going and what are you ordering 394 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:27,680 oh my god um okay oh well there's a place called Charlie's in wood green that I really like and it has 395 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:36,160 vegan breakfast so Joe from coffee wars would approve um and they just do a great like oat flat white 396 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,000 oat flat white when I want like something creamy and then if I want like a like really a 397 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,520 and a just like a purest coffee like a pour over yeah I have to know how to 398 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:56,880 out bloom in Belgrade in Serbia and it is just like the most incredible pour over that I've ever had 399 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:06,320 it's so damn good watching the entire time make me want a good cup of coffee so bad I yeah 400 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,320 suck my husband's really good he does he grinds his own beans and he does the french press and the 401 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:18,000 pour over I'm gonna put myself on blast and I definitely like well pour my grounds into the Mr. 402 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:27,760 Coffee and just press brew and then I wonder why it doesn't taste good so weird or drink yesterday's coffee 403 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:37,760 so when you first read the script for for Joe I mean did her veganism resonate with you you're a vegan 404 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,680 too right how long has that been going on for and you know what what made you passionate about that 405 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:50,400 want to go vegan yeah I have been vegan for five nearly six years and I was vegetarian for eight years 406 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,600 before that and really I was watching Okja I don't know if you've seen that movie I have it it's amazing 407 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:05,280 and it's got such a great cast and it's comedy and action and it's about this super pig that's 408 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,960 been built to basically make like farming meat even cheaper and even quicker and this little 409 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,760 Korean girl is like best friends with her pig and she doesn't know that's why it's in her life because 410 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,880 it was bread for that and then when it gets taken away to New York for this like competition she 411 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:30,000 goes on a mission to like save her pig and it's really fun and it's and then like there's always 412 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,000 action and it builds up to this scene at the end where there's all these like super pigs and their 413 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,800 animation so they're not real pigs they're in this like massive factory farm and you just 414 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,080 watch it and you're like I know this isn't real because they're not real animals but this is real 415 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:54,560 because this is how we part in this why why the fuck are we doing this you know and you can't deny 416 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,760 like watching it you're like the way they filmed that was so impactful to me and I just sort of 417 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:05,200 remember thinking I've been vegetarian for eight years and I've like denied the veganism 418 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,160 thing for long enough and I was like I've watched the documentaries I know the truth yeah and I just 419 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,280 I can't do this anymore I can't just buy it and I don't want to be like I don't want to be part of 420 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:24,800 um I just don't want to be part of it because like what we're doing is so far removed from even being 421 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,760 like food that is so unethical and it's just so long that like I can't participate in any of it anymore 422 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,200 so that's when I decided to go vegan and so when I got this script of coffee was I thought this is 423 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:44,640 great because I personally know that movies can actually change people and impact them and make them 424 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,960 like change their ways and change their decisions and I'm an example of that so that's why I was like 425 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:57,360 there is a point to making movies that have a message because I've personally been affected by one 426 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:06,560 so yeah and I've I really like love I love being vegan because it um it's just like a really kind 427 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,480 way to live and when there's so many things going on in the world and we're so aware of like 428 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,800 climate change and the threat of climate change to like the human survival it's a really easy way 429 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:26,240 to participate in something positive because you know being vegan now is like pretty easy 430 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:32,400 out there's lots of options yeah so many options there's ways to be really healthy there's also ways 431 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,160 to be unhealthy if you're scared that it's too healthy to diet um but like it's just like a reassuring 432 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,760 feeling that you're like not hurting anyone you're not hurting any animals although I do like 433 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,160 in Okja there's a character that doesn't eat anything because everything is basically bad for the 434 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,520 planet and he's always like fainting because he doesn't have any energy because he doesn't eat any 435 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:58,720 food um so I guess you're always cutting something but it's nice not to be like participating in like 436 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:05,280 the mass cruelty of like and against animals and um yeah and it's nice to talk about that 437 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:12,560 through comedy really is because people can feel good when they learn about it and think about it 438 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,840 they can feel good and laugh laugh you know yeah it's a nice way to get the message across 439 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:24,320 and not I mean because I've seen those documentaries too where it's like you you don't want to look 440 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,280 because it's just so horrifying and violent and those are very important for people to see but then 441 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,400 when you give it to them and you know the comedy it's like something that you know people can kind of 442 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,760 relax like oh that's an interesting fact oh that's funny yeah and makes it seem like it's more 443 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:46,400 accessible like oh yeah yeah I could do that I you know I uh I have a friend who's vegan who 444 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:52,000 oh man I'm not seen in the movie when she's talking to the cow and then it immediately cuts to her 445 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,000 dad serving the cow for dinner and that exact thing happens to my friend crystal who's a vegan 446 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:04,720 she lived on a farm growing up and loved this cow and then her parents like served it to her 447 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:09,760 no that's terrible and that's so traumatic yeah wait how can I be like oh my god and she became a vegan 448 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:18,000 right there like she was like yeah just horrifying is Joe yep yep yeah the whole what I saw that I was 449 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,880 like oh my god this is crystal like she's just looked down at the plate was like what how could 450 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:29,360 you do that like it's just so traumatic coffee man maybe for her then because she's gonna relate to that 451 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:37,600 well yes I know I'm like I need to show her coffee or she's gonna love this so obviously you're into 452 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,640 you know veganism but I was reading a lot about your activism I mean what does it look like right now 453 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,840 to be part of the you know feminist movement in England and first is Los Angeles yeah 454 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,560 you know it's it's stressful out there in the world it's stressful out there in the world yeah I 455 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,600 think that I've been thinking a lot about how to be a positive force in the world you know because I 456 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:03,920 think that like there's a lot of heaviness and I think we need lightness we need joy we need we need 457 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:11,680 music we need art we need to like uplift people so that they don't feel defeated by what everybody's 458 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,120 just gone through with like a global pandemic and now like this like economic crisis and cost of 459 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:23,200 living crisis and just sort of like always feeling like the news is constantly like bombarding us 460 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,360 if like bad bad feelings and so yeah I've been thinking a lot about how to be more involved with like 461 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:36,240 local community so I'm I've just moved back so I'm gonna be exploring that to be honest but I'm 462 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:42,400 I'm going to an event tonight for this charity called Freedom Charity which is an amazing charity 463 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:52,800 that they work to like prevent like violence against girls dishonor violence dishonor abuse and 464 00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:01,360 basically forced married and female genital mutilation so well and so it's like heavy subject matter 465 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:08,720 that we did an art show a digital art show where we asked like lots of different artists and musician 466 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:16,880 celebrities like actors different types of artists to including like traditional artists photographers 467 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:26,080 to submit something that basically represented freedom to them and we wanted to celebrate personal 468 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:34,800 freedoms to like kind of again bring people into a heavy conversation but in like a lightweight 469 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:40,400 so that you engage more people and like raise more awareness because it feels accessible and it's 470 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,280 something you don't want to shy away from because it's like celebrating freedom and I think that 471 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,720 the work that they do there is really amazing so we're going to an event tonight 472 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:55,440 to kind of close the event because they've raised a lot of money and sold a lot of the artwork 473 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:04,640 and there's a choir performing called Lips Choir and then it's like amazing London female 474 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:13,200 choir and they do like pop covers and like UK garage covers and just loads of like epic like 475 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,400 songs that like make you feel really good and it's a bunch of women like all different ages 476 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:25,840 are really diverse like all different types of people in the choir and it just is very uplifting 477 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:31,360 so I'm really looking forward to seeing them tonight. That sounds amazing one more time what's the 478 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:39,120 charity called freedom freedom that sounds beautiful yeah I agree any just small ways to get involved 479 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:45,760 in the local community is amazing it's just you know it helps you feel like you're making that little 480 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:52,320 difference too but then you also know if enough people make that little difference you know big things 481 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:58,000 can happen and you can feel connected what's going on around you and just mean again like meeting 482 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,560 different types of people so yeah I'm also I'm really excited that coffee was is going to come out in the 483 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:11,520 UK and to see what people think of it and to like it's been a while since I've been able to 484 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:20,960 like I don't know like promote any like glow was such a loss to us in the pandemic like the girls and 485 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,600 yeah, locally we we missed like we side shooting season four but we only did two episodes and so we 486 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,080 didn't get to kind of have that celebratory like end of season so it's really nice to just so 487 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:43,600 gut wrenching when glow is canceled but with coffee was it's nice to be kind of back in the acting 488 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,920 world and like for writing something that I really enjoyed making and that I really care about as well 489 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:55,040 that's beautiful so where can people watch coffee wars I found it on Google Play 490 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,280 but how you know how is it most accessible for people to see yeah it's on Google Play Apple and Amazon 491 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,200 and and I'm not I think in the UK it would be the same and then after that they're going to be 492 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,320 on I think I don't know when but like I think it's the 10th or 11th that comes out in the UK so yeah 493 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:18,240 Google Play Amazon and Apple oh beautiful so it's all happening this month here in the midst of it 494 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:25,760 yeah that's so exciting it was an amazing movie I really enjoyed myself I was 495 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,480 giggling the whole time and it made me want coffee and it made me want to read more about veganism so I 496 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:42,880 think it did everything it was supposed to do yeah and then beyond that it made me want to add some 497 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:49,040 green to my hair I'm gonna be honest green is a great hair color we're not I love having it so it's 498 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,480 weirdly natural even though it's very unnatural I mean because it feels like it exists in the world 499 00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:02,240 like it's a natural color yeah it's like the grass one was it a wig or did you really dye your hair green 500 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,360 no I dyed it yeah that's incredible I just rock it I loved it 501 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:15,600 awesome well thank you so much for being here with me today Kate it was honestly a pleasure I was so 502 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,000 excited to meet you I don't know I just reading about you I was like I feel like we could just be like 503 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,800 two buds just talking and that's exactly what it was like I love it yeah if if people want to 504 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,080 you know connect with you follow you where can they find you in social media um @KateNash on 505 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:41,760 Instagram and Twitter um and then I did start a TikTok but I don't really use it it's too much work 506 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,120 so Instagram's probably the place I agree TikTok's way too much work I can't do 507 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,800 like I said he could millennial it's good if it's gonna be Instagram 508 00:55:52,800 --> 00:56:01,360 awesome so we will follow you on there everybody please make sure to check out coffee wars when it comes 509 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,520 out in your country anything else you want to pitch while you're here today Kate anything else 510 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,480 people should know about your journey go vegan people it's better for the planet and it's better for 511 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:18,560 you and you won't regret it you heard it from Kate Nash thank you all so much for tuning in I am 512 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:28,080 Shauna you can find me on Instagram um and TikTok unfortunately at Shauna Trinidad S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I- 513 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:35,520 N-I-D-A-D to hook up with us at pop culture junkie go to our website popculturejunkie.com you can find 514 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:42,640 out how to download subscribe to the show reviews really help us you guys give us a thumbs up 515 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:48,240 even if you just download an episode that helps us out our website is filled 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