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Hello and welcome to an all new episode of Anime Brain Freeze. We are your starbound hosts.

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I am John. And I'm CC. And when there's just too much cool anime to watch, we've got you covered.

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Today we will do some star and Joe stargazing because we will review the technically second season of the new Tri-Gun

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Stargazing. After that, we are off to the races and will discuss the first stage of the news entry in one of our favorite franchises in anime, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Steel Ball Run.

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So grab your red coats and cross-shaped machine guns, get yourself a horse that turbo boosts you across the finish line and definitely don't pass the pod. We'll be right back!

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So yeah, it's been a while since we talked about Tri-Gun Stampede. How long exactly we've done? I don't even know.

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It finished... Stampede finished airing in March 2023. So it's been almost three years between the seasons, but you know...

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Orange was hard at work on this, you could tell.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I think the funny thing is in the show as well, three years past between the two seasons.

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I think they specifically call out two and a half.

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Two and a half. So that isn't close enough, but just the same thing. It makes sense.

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So that works. So yeah, if you don't know anything about Tri-Gun or about this adaption or whatever, please listen to our review of Tri-Gun Stampede,

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which is technically the first season of this. The second one just has a different name, Tri-Gun Stargaze, which we're going to talk about today,

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but we're not going to go into the setup on... Because it's a continuous season or whatever.

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But since we... I think when we talked about Tri-Gun Stampede, we still did not really do spoiler-filled reviews of season one shows.

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I mean, we still really don't until there's really... Until we know it's the only season that we're going to get properly,

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and there's not going to be like a continuation. And I don't think we...

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We thought we would get a continuation, so we didn't talk about high-spir-spoir-spoir-ish things in Stampede, if I remember correctly.

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So let's just go back to that a bit and talk about the finale of that first, because it directly has an effect on what is happening in this season.

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I mean, we knew it was going to continue, because I think Orange set us such, but I think it wasn't known what the format was going to be,

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because it seemed like there were people talking for a minute, like, "Oh, it's going to be a movie, it's going to be this, going to be that."

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No, it was an entire second season, so... Yeah, exactly. I'm glad it is. I'm glad that we got that.

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I feel like you've already deserved it. Also, just as, you know, to get this out there first, I don't feel like the second season directed its feet at all.

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No, the scene got up and it got going.

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Yes, exactly. And that's how the first season felt. Actually, I rewatched the Stampede before watching this, because it's been a while, and I was like, "Okay, I just want to refresh my mind a bit on this."

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And, yeah, I just... You know, I... First thing, first, can we please acknowledge how good Orange is at this?

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Like, not only the super-expressive emotions in the facial animations, but also the fantastic action choreography and amazingly active camera.

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One of the things that is way too underused in CG heavy shows or movies is the potential to use the camera in a 3D, like three-dimensional space to a degree that wouldn't be easily if at all achievable with a normal camera.

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Like, you have so many options to place and move the camera around the screen if your whole scene is composed of CG, especially in action scenes, more DPs and directors need to use these opportunities in Hollywood movies as well, instead of just imitating all the stuff normal cameras can do.

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I remember the Dragon Ball Super movie doing that really well in certain shots, so you're like, "Yeah, we could just... We could do whatever with the camera, and they did it really well."

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And, I mean, technically, you can already do that in two D-animated movies, right? In traditional animated movies. But it's a bit trickier, you know, having...

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There's a lot of extra steps.

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Correct. Like, having the camera move at the same time as the animated characters adds a bunch more work to the already work extensive process, it is easy to do that in CG, depending on what kind of animations of where you use and how you are able to move the camera in any given moment.

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Because the models are already there, they are consistent, you don't need to technically account for certain, you know, perspective shifts and so on in your actual drawings.

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So, usually, you know, the software should do most of that, depending on how it's set up and how good it is.

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So, that's why I vote for them doing that more. And I mean, Orange probably still does some extra work, because I think there is a lot of...

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A lot more squash and stretch in there are 3D CG stuff that is another, especially in other CG animated stuff. And I appreciate that. And I wouldn't be surprised if they need to do some extra things that...

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To the models that are, you know, that demand some extra work also when the camera is moving and stuff like that to have the right impact.

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And this season, like, Sarge has had a lot, I mean, not a lot more, but especially in the beginning and in the end, in the crowd scenes, you had more traditional animation.

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Like, that's something that jumped out at me immediately, where it was like the first couple of scenes from the new season were like, "Oh, okay, now here we have traditionally animated characters for some reason."

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And I'm not a big fan of mixing those with CG animated characters. I feel there's always like a disconnect.

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I feel like so long as it's not in the same frame. I can sort of be like, "Okay, all right." Like, what was the show that was super greases with that? You watched that?

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The amazing... The piloting. The amazing Kodobuke?

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Yeah, I couldn't be right.

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Like, a show I'm watching this season. Snowball Earth does a little bit of mixing, but like, not at least again, not in the same frame, but it's sort of weird the way it does it.

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Because it's like, "Y'all aren't committing to one or the other. You're switching back and forth a lot." And neither looks bad, so...

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Hmm. Maybe they like that mixed thing. I'm not particularly fond of it and to be fair, at least Orange in this doesn't do it as much.

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Like, there are a couple of scenes where you definitely see, "Okay, these are traditionally animated characters, but they don't really have much interaction if at all with all the other CG animated characters."

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And I guess, from an, like, economical standpoint, it makes sense because it's probably faster to have, like, for these short scenes to draw up certain characters, then to have to construct a completely separate looking model.

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And I think they didn't want to have the, "Oh, same character effect, where a lot of characters look the same because they use the same CG model just for the crowd scenes. They wanted them to be diverse enough, so I assume that's the reason why they did this and didn't use the CG also for some of the, for the, you know, for the side, side, side, side, side crowd characters, bystander characters and so on."

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I guess it makes sense. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Like, I didn't see a production notes thing for this on a, "Sakuga block" or whatever, so that would be my assumption. That's why they did this. It's not super intrusive. It's just like something that's stuck out to me.

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And that I noticed. But yeah, long story short, Orange totally understands what they're doing, both in Bezos and even more so in Trigon when it comes to making the most of the opportunities and the, the boons that CG provides and circumventing some of the problematic things about CG.

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But there's still one big thing that is in there that I noticed, both in Stempeed and in Stargaze. They have like this super fluid animation in the fight scenes and in action scenes in general. Like, it is very fast. It, it feels like high frame, like on the level of mostly of like a Disney movie or something, just with a different pixel movie.

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Just with a, with a different style. And when they switched to the dialogue scenes, they use the standard anime reduced frame rate style where the characters are jagging a bit across the screen. It is not super noticeable when they just talk, but you still see it.

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Yeah, you're right. I didn't really think of that before, but yeah.

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I don't know why they're doing it. I don't think there is probably not like in terms of workload or whatever. There's probably not a reason to do this. Maybe it's a style choice because they're like, hey, this is how anime is usually looks when it's in to do. No, it doesn't.

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Less frames to render means less budget. Maybe I don't know. I really would like to interview someone who is responsible for this who is doing this and would like pick their brain why they make that choice. Like if there's really a reason behind it in terms of actually this costing less because I cannot.

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I don't know if that is really true, like especially in dialogue scenes. I could actually see it in action scenes because you had to use a lot more key frame animation, even in CG, I guess.

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Then in, then in dialogue scenes. So there, but there it's super fluid because probably it's, hey, this is the showstopper scene. This needs to look good and in dialogue scenes is not as important.

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But also maybe you could do some stuff there with, I don't know frame interpolation or stuff like that. So I am.

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I always surprised like how good this show can look and then in some certain in certain moments, it's like, why are these characters? Why is this so so so so framing so jaggy suddenly?

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It doesn't it's like to be fair. This is these are nitpicks, right? Like because the character faces are still super expressive. There are, there is so much emotion in these character faces, especially when compared to other CG, animated CG shows, you know, where you have just the flip flaps moving and whatever.

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And there's so much emotion in the eyes in the eyebrows in the mouth in the in the in the face in general, like the way it moves around the hair is very well animated in a lot of scenes.

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So, you know, it's great. It's just I see, okay, in the same show, I see moments where it's like, okay, it is could look a lot better.

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But to be fair, this is the kind of same approach they usually use when they do traditionally animated shows, whereas like you have fantastically looking action scenes and very rarely the dialogue scenes get the same kind of over animated treatment that the action scenes get.

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I mean, I guess so dialogues scenes don't really need that treatment in maybe it's just an industry thing that's burned in so deeply, you know what I mean?

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Yes, sure, but also the thing is in 2D animation, I can understand this, right? Because the action scenes need a lot of people working on it.

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They need a lot of work to be put into to to look as good as they do. So they don't have that much left over to make the the dialogues scenes look as well animated and it's not really necessary.

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Like you said, the question is, I don't know if that kind of rule applies the same for CG anime, where it's like, okay, is this as would this require as many people.

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To put as much work in it as in to the animation when it comes to making the the the dialogue a lot like less framing and less jittery or is this justice setting where it's like, okay, we don't we are not we're doing it this way because this makes it more look like to the traditional

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way in the dialogue scenes, even though that is not necessary just from a work, those prospect a work, those perspective. So that's what I'm wondering about. I'm not sure what it is like if it's actually a necessary thing that they need to do in terms of budget management and human resources, quote unquote management.

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Or if this is just a style choice, where it's like, okay, for the action scenes, this needs to look super fluid because on big budget to the traditional animation projects like jujus kites and for example, that's how also the action scenes look and that like just looking at the some of the big fights and new season we just talked about in the last episode.

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These are super fluidly animated and look fantastic. So I get why they put that in there and just wondering, okay, is it still necessary to have the dialogues scenes to be that much less impressively animated.

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I get it more in the traditional animation version of this I don't quite get it in CG but hey, I also barely know anything about animation animation production. So I just I'm just curious I would like to know so if someone out there one of our listeners actually knows actually has some details on why they are doing it this way if it's more style choice if there's actually a necessity behind this I would really like to know more about the

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more about this and hear about this and read about it why they might be choosing to do it like that because it's noticeable it's not breaking the show or anything it's super okay like I said the facial animations are so great that they make you completely forget that like the characters are weirdly

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jaggy and frame me while they're moving in the dialogue scenes but yeah still very interesting I'm and a bit confusing that's all that's why I want to mention it to yeah soundtrack still incredible

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I the one of the things that stood out to me in stampede was the stop on ship three where we learn a bit about various time shortly after the the big fall of the first big fall we get to that

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yeah there was there was there was so great moments in there so many great moments in there and everything every time nice and knives appears and the piano music hits and whatever that's also fantastic so something is amazing

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and you're speaking about knives we didn't probably talk that much about him in I didn't really listen to our review but I don't think we talk that much about knives in in our review at least not about his final moments I guess in the first season

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which we could have assumed were his final moments of the show but really didn't because you know he's the main villain there was a way for him to to come back obviously

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but yeah the best villains in my opinion I don't know how you think about this are the ones who can you can empathize with and whose goals are relatable

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and I think nice very much falls into that category would you agree I guess to a certain degree because yeah he's out here trying to do this thing but at what cost

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exactly that's always like the you know the balance thing where it's like how you know you live long enough to become you live live long after you see the hero become the villain of whatever dark night speech always applicable

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but I feel like yeah of course and knives is the villain and the way he's going about it is wrong but I still feel like in already in stampede but even more so in star gaze

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what he is doing comes from a place where you see oh okay no I get why he's doing this and I might not like the way he's doing it but I you know

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I get I get the idea I understand why and I can't necessarily hate him for that I hate certain aspects of it like the genocide

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but yeah and also you know I guess on a personal perspective he's also and I'll get to that he's also one of these characters who is pretending to do everything for the well being of other people

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and with everything he says and does it's kind of like a bit it's kind of a trace that statement in a way because he's ignoring the feelings of the people around him

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and he's like putting himself and his view on things above theirs which is of course going against there what they actually want and so he's not doing it for them he's doing it for himself

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so yeah but the initial spark for what he did and which we already learned in stampede was of course contrary to vash his inability to have faith in humanity to not repeat the sense of the past

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you know the trigger for that which we learn about more this season is when he and vash learn about the fate of apparently their sister their twin sister or I don't know not really they I guess she came before them obviously

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but her name was Tesla and she died before they came into being and met a very gruesome face so to discover her they discover her dismembered my body she's basically just a brain in the jar now

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and yeah that fucks knife up thoroughly understandably so yes and there's a really fucked up detail to that that we learn at the tail end of this season of stargaze

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that we contextualize a re-contactualizes one key relationship in this show and I get to that but yeah mixed into nice motivation is of course fear for himself or own well being but also for the well being of his brother

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and also of course revenge for Tesla and so on and you know well being of the plans although again he kind of betrays that in this season and let's not kid ourselves both the humans in stampede slash stargaze

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like proofed him kinda right mostly and humanity in real life is proving him right every god damn day like if you look outside and in the news and on the internet humanity sucks ass like if you know if you were looking from a certain perspective

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you don't have to hard wrenching human stories you know that of our main characters and everything you might think you go do it knives like we had our chance multiple times we fucked it up big time let the plants inherit the planet they certainly certainly can't do worse now where his motivation turns from somewhat altruistic to selfish is how he instrument instrumentalizes

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and you know all the people around him really against their will for at least some of them against their will for his own goals which are the opposite of what we're at the ones which I previously mentioned like in stampede we have the brain washing sequence of knives where he tries to take over

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vash and he does state that he's doing it for his brother and maybe actually believes that and you know I also think I think his happiness to have his brother forced back to his side makes him like that makes him genuinely happy like vash being at a site again because I think he was very alone

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he must have felt incredibly alone most of the time after the crash without vash around because vash ran away after you found out that knives were so responsible for the big fall.

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and even more so because vash was able to connect to certain people during his long life which knives refuse to do because he despises and fears humanity again all of what he is doing is understandable and to a point maybe even relatable but he manipulating and abusing vash is where he falls because he is doing it for his own gain even though he pretends he is doing it for vash and the other plan so he can fulfill his mission

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without risking giving into his own doubts that he most certainly has like there are moments within stampede at least where he is not feel like as single minded but there are some moments in their way can feel like he is especially when that when vash talks to him you get feelings the feeling that he is like still not entirely convinced of his own mission

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but he is like forcing himself into it again and again because that is the way he chose and he has to do it and if he doesn't do it like they will pass the 150 years were for nothing and him being without his brother were for nothing and he alone all the time and not connecting to humanity and whatever and he can't have that like he can't let that idea gain traction in his head because that would drive him even more insane that he already is

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so I think he is a great villain I think he is and we get back to him later when we talk about the end of star yes but I thought already in stampede watching it first of all when he appears the first time like I recently talked to you about this when I started the wee watch

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it is just fantastic like he is so threatening he is like a fucking scary monster he is so much more imposing and has a lot more presence than the original adaptation because when does he show up in the original like in the last 2-3 episodes and that is all we really see of him

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we are constantly building him up and seeing all of the stuff that he is trying to do and how increasingly bad it is for himself and everyone around him honestly

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I don't even know it was 2-3 episodes I think the real actual episode actually featuring him and him talking a lot was only the last episode and even then it was like okay dark member of that we get it but we didn't really get that much inside into his inner workings and his character

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and that was like absolutely to his detriment and also kind of to the detriment of the original show is like okay we build up to this giant confrontation with the best brother and then it is like it is more like a smaller side and like the small book and not really that well thought out I feel like there was much more friction between vash and for example legato in the original show

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and we will get to legato but yeah in general super enjoyable just to have him be like the menace in the background and even though like he kind of gets destroyed at the end of the first season we knew he would be coming back and he does but more quickly then I expect it because at the beginning of stargaze we kind of see him floating in a bad basically again

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being only a brain really at that point and get in reconstructed through plants like sacrificing like crafting the power or the the skin or the flash tissue whatever of the plants on his brain and make you use you body some weird shit like that

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but yeah that happens much quicker and we get cool shit after that but yeah

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I another moment I really liked about stampede was where vash regained his consciousness in the final confrontation and to symbolize him coming into his own he got the haircut from the original show at that point or from the mind

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yeah it was really nice because he had a really different cut before and then it was like I do that again in stargaze to an extent but I think it was super effective in stampede because it was such a pivotal moment and then oh there's the vash we know

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and it was really nice doesn't get his epic I don't know Rob Liefeld inspired code God no no not Rob Liefeld no no then it would like it looked like as no who is using like a lot of

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buckles and stuff like that on their clothing was the only name that screams mine when you say that is no more yes no more as the other one I was thinking about but I feel like is

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those two like one of those two designed vash old code and his new one no

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contraption buckles and buckles everywhere so but his his his his his new code feels a lot more functional especially with the hood and everything so

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yeah but it still looks good not as iconic as the old one but cigarette and

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yeah so that is kind of how I mean how stampede ended as vash beats knives in a big duel in the sky and tries to unleash the power knives harness harness to overtake

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the no man's land the planet there on into space but that doesn't quite work out it backfires a bit because at the cost of his own life or so it would seem at that moment knives kind of blocks it and redirects

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a dash back to earth so the whole city gets destroyed that they had their heart for a knife that his headquarters in July and that is the fallout from that season because everyone is like okay

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trash does to repeat destroyed that city and technically his bounty got raised and he's disappeared since and Merrill is now on her own after Roberto de de Niro got got killed in the previous season she is now the head reporter I guess

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and it's still searching for where to tell the real story and she has her trusty companion milley now who was in the first season and who everyone missed yeah yeah she's in this

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Merrill and milley don't have that much to do in the season I feel like they're definitely more than in the old show that's for certain

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but it's like I and okay it's it's a short like short show it's like 12 episodes and I get it we had to focus on that we had to focus on knives we had to focus on wolfwood

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and his relationship to his brother quote unquote to make it resonate to the problem accuracy between version knives and so on and all of that makes sense and I get it

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but to have our two main female characters kind of sidelines and get almost no character development whatsoever is a bit overpower I mean I don't know if there is any in the manga really

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aside from going them going after vash all the time but there were like these small moments in stampede where I felt like oh they're gonna do a bit more with

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Merrill this time around they're gonna have her and vash having a more complicated relationship maybe and terror having more of an influence on him maybe

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then she did the old show whatever her having more of an integral part into how things develop in the end and they don't give me wrong they're part of the action a bit

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especially and you know have some influence especially when it comes to one of the side villains

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but not that big and they do a very interesting thing with with millie at the end was like oh okay is she and she's not

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that was that was a bit of a weird red herring like a fake out is like oh okay that that would have been actually super interesting and neat but also who knows if they would actually have done more with that beyond it

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and so they did she's not a worm everyone she's a worm wrangler she or someone in her family was as she talks about her sisters or something I think yes I mean we see her family at the very end like in one of the very final scenes like she's

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there's my family there's my dad my mom and my sister whatever and you see like the whole bunch of the millie family I was like oh she didn't make it up

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and you see you see she would have no reason to make it up yeah but it just you know she fed a bit more like a mystery in this and it was like okay

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and you see Merritt's family too she has a butler from some reason must be nice

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I didn't know she was loaded did they mention that before it was pretty fun pretty funny just that the show just dropping that on us and it's like oh by the way here she is rich okay I mean considering the

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quantity of guns she carried on here in the original I guess it would stand to reason that she has some amount of money yeah apparently

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but yeah but I'm glad they're here they are at least part of some of the action scenes like a motorcycle or whatever it is a pivotal one in the

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in a final stretch of episodes and they have like I said in rather important scene with what was her name Ellen Dira

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that's her name right believe so yeah one of that of a knife gang who I don't even know who she is like is she also a plant or just an orphan or I forgot who

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who how she actually came into his group I know what the rest of them but for her given how much screen time she gets

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I didn't really know where she came from when she was introduced in stampede I apparently didn't pay enough attention I was like okay wait where

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and she looks a bit similar to Zazzy the world girl in certain parts anyway yeah because I guess she said she's not technically one of the

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young hoe guns but yeah but also I don't know she's very devoted to to knives that's for certain but I don't know how she actually came into the groups hint into his

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group and I forgot to look it up but yeah so we are now in stargay's territory of course got to say John not a fan of the new op

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yeah the first one is a bit stronger yeah absolutely it's way too upbeat it's way too generic anime op like it feels very like okay just I don't feel like this conveys what this show is so

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yeah because the first one is so mellowed out and you know a little more

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what's a good word to describe it just effect it's a little more down because this is a little more serious compared to the original show like we

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still have some brief moments of levity but this is like nah this is serious especially like at the very beginning when Vat just

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still in a funk which he is he gets rescued by a guy named hopper who I think was part of the gang who guns in the original

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but he's not in this he's just someone who whose girlfriends slash wife slash someone he saved and who meant a lot to him got killed in

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when vash or knives destroyed you lie but hopper thinks it was vash so he rescued him to fight him I guess and kill him but also maybe let him live so he can live and suffer

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but yeah so the beginning of stargay is pretty dark and then you have this jarring contrast of an op and also later in the in the season when things get very serious again it also

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feels a bit misplaced the ed although I like it more also in certain parts I remember there was the second to last or

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one of the later episodes there was definitely a weird thing where something very dramatic happens at the end of the

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episode and then a very upbeat opening but I mean that happens in anime you cannot match have like the perfect op

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or ed or op for every episode but just in general style you should maybe try to get there I mean the king of

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inappropriate eds will always be happy people from bleach that's unmatched because that was so many moments that were like so

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fucked up and then it ended on happy people and it was like what the fuck are you doing

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you just gotta pick your so fucking me happy yes yes when when some so person got just gotten murdered

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it was funny don't get me wrong but the thought process behind that eludes me

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but yeah anyway so like I said vash got saved from hopper she seems to be in an almost

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cathartanic state he doesn't seem to remember things and so on and then a new character Jessica from ship three who is

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which got attacked by legato studious so she gets sent to find vash and she didn't appear in stampede I think

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but it gets kind of like redcaunt into the story in stargaze was like hey we met before I met vash

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before and also she apparently has a crush on vash I guess and you know things like that

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it's all weird considering how young she appears to be I mean it's innocent absolutely because vash also doesn't like

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recipient yeah I'm glad he's just sort of like okay kid sure yes exactly he's like okay this kid is just okay all right I

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it's fine he's treating her the absolutely correct way it's like yeah it's not over indulging her or

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anything but like she cooks him a meal and is super happy watches him eat and so on the compliments or

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and stuff like that but doesn't entertain her every whim and so yeah but she's here and she's on

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the search for him and this finds him and hopper then then basically hopper somewhat not seriously

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threatens her and to make vash slash erics who he is at that moment going by that's his name that he's

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using which I think also happened in the old show I think the destruction of july also happens at

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that midpoint there I don't know some city got destroyed and vash blames himself for that and I

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think that's also the moment where he takes on that persona I don't know who rescues him there if

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it was also hopper I don't think so I think it was someone else I think they joined these two characters

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and this as far as I recall hopper it was very much a throwaway character in the original so

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I don't remember the details of that from the old show no I think it was just some other character who

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then had you know got the thing that hopper got in this with the reasoning of the person who died

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or whatever in the in the attack in the destruction of july but yeah yeah it of course vash wins that fight

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and also that it's what like the Jessica being being threatened is what brings him back into action

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so this kind of plan of hopper it worked I guess and he just is happy to die knowing that vash

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knowing that vash will live and suffer to a tone for his deeds which were really his deeds

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it was fucking knives so but yeah well when you've got a bounty that size on your head the truth

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changes a little bit yeah exactly but yeah then you know we have basically all the characters converging

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at the again Marilyn milley appear in the scene and also Nicholas who gets hit again by Merrill with

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her car which you know it happens I was a bit I'm sorry just you so casually saying oh it happens yes

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yes sure yes it is so and to this character absolutely constantly apparently but yeah in the

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beginning and we had when we had the traditional the mission mixed in and more it was more dialogue

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focused in the beginning and the fight against hopper was okay but it was not super like impressive I

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was a bit worried that the animation quality would be a bit downgraded maybe because they had less time

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or ever from the first season to the second those worries were completely eradicated when when

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vash battles against Leonov the puppet master in in ship three which looked dope as hell like this

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multi brawl of vash against all these puppets that gets sick on him and it was really cool and

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yeah I was like oh okay we're so back and that continues until the end of the season it only gets

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crazier and crazier and so at this point and this is where we come in when I say that what knives does

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kind of betrays what he says and his stated motivation a bit because the doctor I forgot his name

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who was already with us in in stepied revives knives like I said

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with by sacrificing the plants to to yeah we have two revive knives basically using their energy

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using their bodies to reconstruct a knife's body and at this point I was like oh this might backfire

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because knives mission statement in the first season in stepied was hey I'm doing this to save

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the plants you know for people who didn't paid didn't didn't listen to our review of the first season

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or didn't watch sampeed for some reason the plants are these artificial beings vash and nice are

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technically the same though they are a different breed there are independence and they are more human

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like while the other plants look a lot more alien and they are kept in jars and they are basically

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living energy resources they are basically only alive to generate enemy energy for humans

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and are basically just tools here to to live and die to sustain human beings which is already

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preemptive fucked up but then all the stuff with Tesla happens and everything and that sends

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knives over the edge so over the edge so his mission statement was hey I'm gonna save us

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I'm gonna save the plants I'm not gonna let what happened to our sister happen to our

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race quote unquote ever again so that's why he calls the big fall of all the of all the refugee

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of all the exploring ships and that's how everyone all the humans and vash and knives and the plants

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landed on nomen's land the planet there on and I mean there is also which we didn't mention or I

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didn't mention yet there's like this ticking timer I guess also in this season because at the end

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of the previous one we learned oh they actually were able to establish contact with with earth and

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now earth is sending over a new fleet of exports to get the refugees from and I guess they left

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over plants from from nomen's land to get all the seeds that's what the the fleet was called to

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get them and go further into the universe with them save them from this planet where everyone is

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kind of like close to dying I guess because the limit of resources the limited resources

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so that is in the background that is progressing and so we already know okay if knives is back

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alive when those ships arrive those ships will not have a good time probably in the rescuer mission

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will not be good so that's the ticking timers like can they stop knives before that happens

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before the new fleet arrives here and what will the fleet do anyway like when they find out that

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independence are here going back to knives and his motivation so the doctor uses

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the plans to reconstruct knives and at that moment I thought hey this might backfire because knife

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says he's doing all of this because of the plans so he's gonna be angry at the doctor when he finds

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out that he used the plans to reconstruct him he's probably gonna kill him it doesn't really happen

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like yeah I mean I don't know maybe now you just stop processes there I'm saving the plants by

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becoming one with the infrastructure yeah something he's like yeah he's he's loop holding the ship like

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to the max I think yeah I had the same feeling I was like dude when knives is back to 100%

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y'all are probably dead no yeah it's like no not not even not only that John not only that it could have

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been like okay I see why you did this I don't approve of this but you know now I'm back and I can

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fulfill my mission and okay I will I will ignore that you did this no in the final stretch of the

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episodes he's like consuming more and more plants himself to power himself up even further to do what

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he's got what he intends to do and fulfill his plans and I'm like my dude you are full of shit

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a walking contradiction yes that's what I meant when I said he like what he does is not really is not

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really in in sync with the what his mission statement is and so this this is what drives him

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further into the villain category where it's like hey if you stuck to your ideals if you stuck to

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your motivation if you said like I'm doing this to save the plants no matter the cost this is I don't

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want any of more of them to sacrifice to be sacrificed and now I'm sacrificing them myself because I

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think my mission that one I chose without asking them and overriding everyone else's wishes is more

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important than actually keeping them alive and that is just ludicrous this well well if it is

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in my old friend in congruity yes absolutely so at that point I was like fuck you nice I mean I was

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fucked you nice before but then like full force fuck you nice yeah yeah you're just full of shit buddy

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so again I get why he is doing this probably deep down and why he can't go back to like why he's

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so driven and we see more about the stuff with Tesla and so it's fear like it's mostly the thing

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that drives him is fear he's afraid of humans he's afraid of I guess dying to instance he was always

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afraid of losing his brother he already lost his brother like he is afraid of admitting to himself

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that he did chose the wrong path that what he did like sending down the fleet killing ram and so on

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is the was the wrong route to take but he can't accept that anymore because he already did

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put so much time into this and so much effort and I mean he probably deep down still has some kind of

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you know consciousness like he knows some kind of moral compass which was the initial

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trigger for this like of course it's wrong that his sister got killed of course it's wrong that

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the plants are getting abused and his moral compass was right rightly adjusted in that moment he just

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then went too far and made the wrong decisions of course but he can't accept that because this

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will would completely sabotage his mission and would basically say hey the last all the things you

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did you you were doing you were the bad guy and he can't accept that because in his eyes he's the good guy

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he's the guy with the noble mission he's the guy who is gonna do good for his people so he can't

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be the bad guy and if he admitted to himself hey I did something wrong here I killed all these people

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on the ships for nothing I doomed all these people who are living on nomenclant now to extinction to

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a degree I also probably killed a lot of plants I doomed them to a fate that is worse than they would have

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had on the ships and instead of I don't know trying to I don't know before my bond and connections

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with humans and trying to convince them that there needs to be a better way than to abuse the plants I

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chose this way and I basically made things a hundred times worse and he can't admit that to himself

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that would make him the bad guy in his own eyes even even though it's more complicated than that so

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he can't go back to it so of course at he's so far over the edge at this point he's he's like no

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no I'm gonna kill I'm gonna kill the I'm gonna use the plants because like you said we all belong to

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the same people anyway and it's probably it's also there well and I will save all the plants that come

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in with the new fleet so it's absolutely worth it like uh yeah he's justifying all this shit to

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himself so he doesn't have to admit to himself that he is the bad guy here so yeah again I get all of that

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doesn't make what he's doing any better especially at this point when we realized uh what he's doing so

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yeah uh but cool yeah I I like that there was a development in his character like it

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even though it was a pretty straightforward one into one direction and there was not really any

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back and forth uh which I would have hoped to be there I guess in his conversations with Vash and

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Vash definitely is the one who can get some reactions out of knives and try to

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get him close to reconsider and close to questioning himself but nice always forces himself back into

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his old like modus operandi uh and his old state old state of mind so he doesn't have to

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um confront his sins uh which he doesn't want to do which I guess is also part of

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the whole underlying Christian message of this show um which is not really underlying like it's

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not subtext it's text like everyone is throwing around crosses and whatever like Vash is obviously like

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I mean Nicholas is quoting scripture uh Vash is obviously a cath kind of catholic faith maybe

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inspired or at least Christian faith as uh inspired pacifist and you know all of that is obviously

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in there and admitting the sins that you did and trying to um a tone for them is part of that belief

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and since knives is not willing to do that he's the bad guy at least when it comes to the religious

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perspective on this show or off this show so it makes sense it all gels with each other uh it's very

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consistent uh with what uh with the text of the show I guess I didn't really have that

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read on it but now you're saying it yeah it makes a lot of sense the creator of the manga

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nito is uh they uh is is a Christian I think which is not that common in Japan really yes I think so

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well I mean I know I know it wasn't common but I think he converted to Christian faith I'm pretty sure

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I wouldn't need to look it up I don't want to give you any idea but I think uh I mean you can do it

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on the side while I keep on talking but I think I think he's a Christian this is his

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view on the whole thing and the idea of pacifism and the idea of faith uh which is a very central

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thing in this show again Vash has faith in humanity knives doesn't uh and they're

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they're they're ideals clash with each other that's of course a big part of this and I think

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this is nito working you know through his faith and what showing his his view on that

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and on Christianity even with the show I'm seeing something here that I guess it's not really

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at one point it was written that he grew up a Buddhist yeah and that he may have studied Catholicism

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but there was no publicly stated religion of his in like at least in any English language um

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interviews yeah but I think this is also something from 2011 that I'm reading here so

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yeah I think I think it was never like he never outright confirmed it himself uh but uh I think he

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studied it he's very interested in it and I'm pretty sure he's practicing it I read it at some point

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but I would have to look it up now unless I'm super wrong feel free to correct me everyone out there

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but I'm pretty sure at some it was very very evident that he is not only interested in these stories but

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also like from a personal motivation standpoint very much living that kind of life or or

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adhering to these kind of ideals I don't know if he what I said before if he'd outside converted to it

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but I think he's at least practicing it uh so uh yeah that's in this show uh if nothing

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else he's definitely talking about this in this show a lot um uh especially I mean I think it was more

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present for for example Nicholas in the old show and it it is kind of here with a story with

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this brother in this in the orphanage and so on uh and it's definitely here for that oh the pieces

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are there yes absolutely finishing up that excourse mid valley the horn freak uh gets introduced

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in this show as well and he wasn't the old show uh yeah I feel like he gets a bit more of an interesting

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role in this adoption if I remember correctly in the old one he was again one of those throw wave

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villains if like I said if I remember correctly it's been a while since I watched the old show

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but in this he's like very much he doesn't want to be here he's being almost openly

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antagonistic towards the rest of the gang hogans uh he's very afraid of knives uh we learn why his

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band was killed like his his companions were killed by knives because he wanted to make use of

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a mid-values power which is like he can use sound waves out of his uh when playing his his weird saxophone

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he is in this uh and t and the gang uh the gang hogans attacked ship three uh to abduct vash and i

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guess the plants uh both needed to to uh fully reconstruct knives and uh and and fulfill his plans

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we get a nice callback of vash deciding to get the haircut from the end of season one to show

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his determination and we see a blacken is here uh uh not only his but also nice later we learned

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that this is a sign of them using up their power like apparently the power of independence

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of independent uh plans is not uh unlimited either and they've used their their super powers

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uh like their their ability to reach beyond this ominous gate uh where uh on the other side is where

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they i guess their day came from originally or the plans came from or whatever

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that's where they can uh reach to and every time they do that to use their powers uh they

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you know use up the energy and when their hair becomes entirely black they're might they're much

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closer to actually dying or at least getting and getting closer to like let's say limited lifespan

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which they're technically before that kind of kind of mortal but when they use up the energy i guess they

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are become more normal humans uh then uh you know then they were before so uh that that was pretty

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interesting and uh yeah we get a very cool fight between midvaliant wolfwood uh although it's more

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of a tense sniper duel of clashing wills rather than action blowout um like wolfwood is trying to

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overcome midvaliant spell of fear that he was put under by knives overwhelming power

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and he doesn't succeed but he's able to stall him until vash is able to take midvaliant um

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and then uh we also i guess get our first big action scene although in that moment not really

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of legato who definitely got a bit nerfed in this version uh looks like he can only do telekinesis

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and no longer has his psychic manipulation powers but but you know he's certainly less scary and feels

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like more of a blowhard pervert that is sipping for knives a bit too much for me to take him seriously

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or as seriously as in the old show where he was simply terrifying uh his introduction was on the same

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level as the first introduction of knives in this show uh just more psych even more psychological

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horrid and sheer force of power uh sheer um sheer show of power and um that yeah as i've said in

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the review of the first season the show is its own thing and this interpretation of legato still

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works if you watch the old show you've seen in uh my opinion better version of him but it doesn't

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invalidate this version though he gets stepped on by elandira which makes him pretty much a joke in my

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book he also goes down like a bitch like a dance you know in the final set of episodes there is this

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amazing fight to be honest to be to be to be fair there's this amazing fight of him against uh

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liveo uh against wolfwood like they go they they have like this multi stage battle of

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handicapped battle him against those two guys uh and this weird android creature whatever

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nine tails and just different incarnations they fight him uh and they fight each other and he has like

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this weird uh chain whip sword thing uh which is which is pretty cool but like um like like that

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fight is great but legato is is such a bitch in this like he's he knives appears on the scene and he

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like he's worshipping knives knives obviously and he's he's so happy he just wants to be reborn by

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knife side or whatever and once knives appears on the scene and legato just it's dares to talk to him

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he just cut off like it cuts off legato's head and legato's really happy about this for some reason

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it's like finally i get to be reborn and he's he was such a menacing force in the old show he was so

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manipulative and so like so god damn evil and scary and he's none of that in his show

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and the original seemed a lot more mysterious and brooding and dark and in this week she's just like

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oh it's summer oh it's it's like well he's i mean he's still a threat he nearly chokes uh

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uh uh uh uh wolf foot out and that's like oh Jesus is he's gonna kill wolf foot oh

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and to be fair legato testing verix resolve as a pacifist with Nicholas this time

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feels pretty effective because vasha and Nicholas have become really good friends at this point

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and i don't even remember who legato threatened in the old show uh it was the same kind of uh

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situation where it's like hey either you kill me mr pacifist or your or this person dies and i think

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the old show it was just a random kid or so someone else yeah i don't it was Nicholas uh it was wolfward

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and it it is much more effective here and you know vasha actually does it i don't even know if he does

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in the old show or if uh if uh legato like edges him on a bit like many police is trigger finger a bit

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for him to easier pull it um but he definitely vasha does it here himself as far as i recall he pulled

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the trigger himself in the original and he's like a really tormented about the whole thing

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but you know that's like really close to the end of the series and it doesn't like

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I mean, you know happens and buzz. I had it's like three episodes from the end as I recall and it's

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like, well in he actually doesn't it's like, she's, I think that's like the one time he actually kills

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someone by his own hand and they sort of have that build up to it here and they're like,

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I mean, that's happens a lot in this where it's like, oh, you think you know how this will go because

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you watch the old show and it's gonna go different way. We'll get to the other big one. But yeah,

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it's like he shoots and knives appears and blocks it for whatever reason because he then kills

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Legato himself. Maybe because he's angry that Legato actually dare to, I don't know, corrupts

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vash himself instead of knives being the one to do this. Maybe he's envious that Legato was able to

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drive vash so far. I don't know, might be the reason, but it was interesting. But again,

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Legato is not nearly as interesting as he was in the old show. In the old show, he was a real

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man as he was really scary and he was the one person who made really a dent in vash conviction,

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like really challenging him, challenging him. And he kind of does this here as well, but it doesn't

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have as much of an effect as it does in the old show. And it was also the moment where it's like,

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oh, this, the old show also needed one more season because that is how the technically second season

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of the old show should have ended, like with vash being in a crisis after killing Legato.

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Like questioning his own faith and his own morals and whatever. And that doesn't really happen

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in the old show and that doesn't happen here because knives interfere. I mean, vash still pulled

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to trigger. He's conflicted about that, but it doesn't result in the death of a person, at least not

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by his hand. So I guess it doesn't have the same powerful effect as it does in the old show.

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It's another stark, it's not as emotionally harrowing and whatever, but it's also understandable

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because that's kind of in the, either in the final or in the penultimate episode of the season.

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So we don't have time for this apparently, but yeah, that's, that's that's it for Legato. He's not

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really important in this season. He's mostly there to be a weird pervert for knives and

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getting off on vash resisting his power and just spouting weirdly theatrical monologues and whatever.

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So yeah, it didn't like him that much in this. Yeah. Yeah.

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Liked him a lot more in the old show, but hey, it's still okay. He works as a muscle, I guess,

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to an extent. Again, Andy makes for, for a great fight, like at the tail end of the show. That fight

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was really amazing. It was well animated. There was like this cool moment where, where Livia and,

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Wolf would surf down a slope on sand while fighting and switching weapons and throwing each other

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around and it was just the fucking insanity and I loved it. I thought for that alone, and their

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choreography in the fight against Legato was amazing. So hey, I'm glad he was here just for that.

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Speaking of Livia, he's a character that was not in the old show. He is in the Dragon Maximum manga.

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So he's in a new addition to this. And we already get introduced to him in the first season,

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where he attacks Wolfwood and Vash on a ship. And has like the, the, the, the,

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Livia, the double thing or whatever. He is the same gun technically, although with a slightly

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different equipment than that Wolfwood has this big old cross, one side, shoots machine, gun

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bullets, the other side for Wolfwood, I think shoots a laser, plasma cannon, whatever. And for,

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for Livia, he shoots, I think, flame thrors. And yeah, they apparently grew up in the same orphanage,

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were connected by the hip from a certain moment on. At least Livia was real like the little brother

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character to Wolfwood. Wolfwood always looking out for him and when Wolfwood went with the people

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who, you know, were working for the doctor, augmenting his powers and whatever.

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Which made him kind of, I guess, invulnerable when he sipping that weird,

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that weird liquid stuff, health potion that also makes you age faster though.

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All these powers and everything that he can use, he got there and Livia followed him and

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apparently also got experiment experimented on. But wasn't nearly as mentally stable as

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Nicholas. Because Nicholas also had his faith, I guess, which against feats into one of the subjects

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of the show. Livia didn't really have that once he wasn't with his big brother anymore. So he

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completely succumbed to that and also created a second personality. Last low, the tri-punisher of death.

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Boy, what a name. What a name. I guess it wasn't basic. We're going from the double

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fang to the tri-punisher. Yes, which also really weird thing like with the naming in the show,

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like Punisher. Like I thought Punisher was the code name for Wolfwood in this, which makes sense

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with Naito's preference for American comics and so on. But at some point people are also calling

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the gun the Punisher and calling Wolfwood the undertaker. So what is it? Like please decide. It was a

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bit inconsistent there. But yeah, he also has his Punisher guns and his two of them and then he later

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appears. That's how he appears in the first season gets ostensibly killed. But hey, nobody stays dead

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in this show. So he returns in Stargaze and now has his second personality is where big personality is

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at the forefront. He has a crazy haircut and then has three arms and fights Wolfwood. I don't know

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if Vesha is even in that fight, I think so. At least in the beginning one. Yeah, partially.

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Yes, but hey, Wolfwood manages to get through to live you live you's original consciousness,

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this original character and convince him that it doesn't need to be a friend anymore and that he's

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not alone anymore and live you is able to basically get rid of last low because he's like,

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hey, I don't need you anymore really. I'm fine. You can rest now. I'm sorry. I put all that shit on you,

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like all the emotions, all the sadness, all the loneliness. I put all of that on you. I created you

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so I could cope with with feeling that. I don't need this anymore because I got my brother back.

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I'm better now and so you can leave. So yeah, that works. It's at the fight, Wolfwood versus

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last low. The first one is incredible. Yeah. That's cool and then leave you joints again.

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Cutts the hair off only has two arms again that he uses, but he then and Wolfwood have this amazing

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fight against nine lives and legato, which is a side to behold. Also, we have a great gag where Vesha is

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trying to go for a ship three, go there with a motorcycle. Absolutely. He doesn't know how to ride a

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motorcycle and then leave you a take over and I'm going to do it and everybody's like, oh, great.

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And then he does the same thing. That was such a good guy. He almost dies too. That was great.

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But he eventually arrives after taking a lot of wrong turns, which is also very fun in itself.

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So he's doing some good worthwhile contributions. He's in general a worthwhile contribution to this show.

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Like he he was a very interesting character to have in the first season and to get more of Wolfwood's

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backstory and then even more so in this season. Like his interactions with Nicolas are some of the most

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interesting and potent ones in this show from a character development standpoint. And I really like

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their dynamic and their backstory. And like I said, I think it mirrors the relationship between

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Vesha and knives and comes to a much more healthy and then I mean, I guess there is some redemption

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there for for nice at the end of this show as well, maybe unearned. But it's I felt like the whole

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thing between Wolfwood and Lvivio was very nice, like considering how much shit they went through.

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And then by the end that they actually that he got that Nicholas got him back and that

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that Lvivio got Nicholas back and their this team and then they're fighting together against

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the bad guys. That was just awesome. It felt really good. I was really happy for them. I was like, yeah.

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The boys are back in town, I guess. So it was really nice. I like Lvivio a lot and his personality

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his last personality was also very fun because Lesoth also a big old perfect just like Legato,

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but in a different way in a more fun way, I feel like and not just a pathetic way. And yeah, so

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yeah, very cool, very cool. Like this edition through the show and I like that he got even more

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featured even more in the second season. Did you think that as well? Yeah, I really like that.

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They serve up their relationship full circle and that you know, become one of the one of the guys.

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One of the dudes. Yeah, and then I kind of already at the end there where it's like

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we have knives absorbing all the plants, like we said, full of shit. And then becoming this weird

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dragon Phoenix creature going into space, all the fleet has arrived at this point. He's trying to

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drag all of them down to the planet and you know, to kill the humans to save the plants, whatever.

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And vash interferes. And I found it to be very interesting that the fleet immediately

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attacks knives, but not necessarily because he is attacking them. Like one of them says like,

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oh, independence survived. This is disgusting. And it's like, wait, whoa, okay. I guess

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we still have a long way to go. There didn't happen on earth also didn't advance at 150 years.

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It comes to that treatments of plants and independence. Uh, so again,

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it does knives have have a point here racism, speciesism, it lives on. Yes. Yeah. Uh, so it

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and they don't really resolve that by the end. No. Like Merrill has this Merrill or Millie have

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the throwaway line. One of them where it's like, hey, uh, we'll just we'll still try to find a way.

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I think it's Merrill in her reports to, uh, to treat little plants better. But also we don't know

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if this will ever happen. We'll just fuck off into space now. Bye. Yeah. It's like, okay. I,

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I don't know if I'm happy with this. Uh, I guess it's kind of like it feels more wonderfully

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non-committal. Yes. Very non-committal. Also very in line with reality. We're like, humanity

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definitely is not there. And I don't know if it will ever get there. So I guess in that sense,

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it works. But also for this show, I wanted to have a more idealistic ending. We're like,

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hey, yeah, we figured it out. Uh, or we really trying to figure it out. It doesn't feel like they're

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really trying like we, by the end of this when all things are said and done, which is basically

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knives, uh, sacrificing himself, uh, to save Vash because Vash already stopped him from taking down

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the, um, the ships and then not much power is left. And, uh, the, the, the gate is about to consume

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Vash and to stop that from happening. Knives of sacrificing himself. So Vash can survive. Whatever. Uh,

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but, you know, man, what I don't feel like knives sacrifice is really all that earned. It does,

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they're trying to make them feel like a hero in this final moment. And I'm just sitting there like

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brother, look at all it. What you've done. Yes. I mean, that's why he has to die, right? It's,

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it's a cheap, cheap way of having your cake and eat it too, right? Where it's like, hey, he's

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the villain, but he did a good thing by the end. And, uh, because he's a villain, he dies, but he does

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a nice thing. So he doesn't, uh, he doesn't get to, uh, die horribly, I guess. I'm kind of, I'm kind of

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over that in anime and manga. It's like, there's no, oh, where, where are the consequences for your

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actions? Oh, I guess I'll die and become a hero in the final moment. Oh, fuck you, though. And I

494
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mean, he doesn't necessarily become a hero for everyone else. He just comes, becomes a hero for

495
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:10,040
Vash. And to be fair, considering his beginning motivation, he still loved his brother. Uh,

496
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:16,760
I think that is the truth. I think he, here's a lot of, uh, uh, uh, his, the stuff that went bad for him

497
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:22,280
is because he was afraid, not only for his own well-being, but also for his brother, for his brothers.

498
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:27,960
And it makes sense that he would sacrifice himself at least after he realized that his plans have

499
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:34,120
completely fallen down to make sure that at least his brother is saved. I, by that, I think, okay,

500
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:39,240
I get why he would do that at this point. That doesn't justify his actions. That doesn't

501
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:46,760
he redeem him in any way possible. Like, but I at least understand, like, I feel like it's nice that he

502
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,480
did that for Vash and it's good that he did that for Vash. And I don't even think he cares to be

503
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:57,720
redeemed. Like that's not his point, like he's only doing this particular thing to save Vash. And

504
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:04,360
that I'm okay with. I don't know if the show is trying to make it look like, okay, now he's completely

505
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:10,920
deemed in the face of like everything he did, maybe, and if that's how it is, that is definitely

506
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:16,440
read. And if that's what the show is trying to do, I'm on the same page with you, John. I think

507
01:17:16,440 --> 01:17:23,000
that's bullshit. Because that's definitely not earned. But at least when it comes to his relationship

508
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:29,640
to Vash and him doing, doing what he did, at least partially for his brother, even though he absolutely

509
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,400
went about the wrong way. He didn't consider his brother's feelings on the whole thing.

510
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:41,800
He was completely never minded. I think it's still okay for me to accept that he got to do

511
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,520
at least this small little thing for his brother. Although that's also not what Vash wanted.

512
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:55,560
Again, like he didn't, he wanted to go together with his brother. He was okay with dying himself

513
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:02,440
together with his brother. And again, nice went against his feeling because it's like, hey, okay,

514
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:09,160
you at least have a future on this planet. I don't. So I think ultimately there's was the right

515
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:15,400
decision by knives because that is true. Like as we see in the find like in the apologue,

516
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:23,960
Vash has a life here. He has friends. He can have a happy life now if he wants to. So that a life

517
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:33,560
that he's earned. So I feel like that there is merit to knives sacrifice, even not to redeem him,

518
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:43,080
but just to save Vash. And even like going back to knives motivation and everything, I feel like

519
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:55,080
his downfall is that he does not understand the feelings of everyone around him. Not a

520
01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:01,000
sentiment like the Gangho Gangs, like you we see it with Ellen Dira, right? He is with him because

521
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:06,360
she's devoted to him because he believes in what he believes in. But he doesn't care about her.

522
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,840
He doesn't care about legato, even though he's that guy is completely devoted to him

523
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:20,280
to ludicrous degree. And everyone, the doctor does things because he is also he's trying to make

524
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:31,960
up for past sins because he's one of the people who did the shit to Tesla. Like which we get the

525
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:39,240
full horrible truth. What happened to Tesla in the final episode or the one before that I think.

526
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,320
When when knives again takes over Vash's body or puts Vash's consciousness into his own body.

527
01:19:47,320 --> 01:20:00,920
And we learned that Tesla was determined like to die at some point like because she was I guess not

528
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:05,960
fully completed version of the independence yet and her power would be running out much quicker.

529
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:13,480
And then a tribunal of the people, the humans on the ship decided hey we can either

530
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:16,200
live her out the rest of her remaining days in peace or we can

531
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:27,800
live a sector to to learn more for the future. And they decided to do that and nobody like nobody

532
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:35,880
protested, not even rem. And that was the thing I was talking about the beginning. That was really

533
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:41,480
interesting that they re-contextualizes that relationship because Ram was the same figure from the very

534
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:46,920
beginning of the show. And she was like portrayed like that. She was like hey she was there for the twins

535
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:53,720
in flashbacks. It looked like she was there for Tesla. She was this mother figure. And like Vash was

536
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:59,320
completely like enamored with her. Like she was for all the tends and purposes. His mom. I feel like

537
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:07,480
knives even before he learns the truth has a much more like cold has a much colder relationship to her.

538
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:13,240
He is not as infatuated with her. Vash definitely is because he's much in general much more of an

539
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:19,960
I don't know emotional character or is able to connect better emotionally to humans.

540
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:31,320
knives can't do that really. And we learned that she did not object for whatever reason

541
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:41,000
to this shit being done to her proxy daughter I guess. And that is or when we see these we see these

542
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:48,840
flashbacks that kind of put Tesla into moments that we see Ram having with Vash and

543
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:54,760
and knives before. So we don't know how much is that is knives memory how much of that is

544
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,080
Vash memory of that is how much of that is really Tesla's memories. We don't really know if Ram had

545
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:04,920
the same kind of relation with Tesla that she does have with the twins. So maybe she didn't even have

546
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:13,320
that with Tesla and her relationship with knives and Vash is part of her making up for her not

547
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:22,040
objecting to Tesla being a vivisective being killed in this horrible horrible way or not even killed

548
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:30,200
partially kept alive to be studied which is the real horror about this. And her then even though

549
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:34,760
Ram knowing that this is wrong but her not having the courage to speak up against the other crew

550
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:45,000
members. And so I'm not quite sure what this is. Again I like that this makes the relationship between

551
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:52,840
Vash and Ram more complicated and her remaining on the ship more understandable because I think Vash

552
01:22:52,840 --> 01:23:00,120
stays as much as like maybe her thing on ship was her way of atoning for her presence but also maybe

553
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:06,600
having the relationship she does with Vash and knives is also part of the atonement already

554
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:12,680
because maybe she didn't have that kind of relationship with Tesla even though she should have

555
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:19,080
and maybe the flashbacks are just you know what the flashbacks we see are not really

556
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:26,520
with her and Tesla but just you know echoes of what she had with Vash and nice because we already

557
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:34,760
see that so you know could both could be true maybe not maybe nothing of it but again I like that

558
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:42,040
they didn't keep her this same figure and make it more complicated and there's not this this easy

559
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:49,480
view on this character and I feel the same thing about knives I feel like as clear cut as his

560
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:55,640
bullshit is at the end of this and has never minded as he is and his mission driven as he is losing

561
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:01,720
side of what he actually is supposed to do what it means to do the best for his brother what it means

562
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:07,960
to do the best for the plans losing all of that out of all of that gets out of focus and he's just

563
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:13,960
focusing on his very simple mission statement I'm gonna kill the humans and I'm trying to save as many

564
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:19,880
plans as possible but to do that I also have to kill some of that you know as much of that it is in

565
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,680
there and makes him a clear cut villain to a degree there still these moments in there that I liked

566
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:31,800
where it's like okay I think he does actually care for his brother and he is actually doing this because

567
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,760
he's afraid himself because he was an afraid kid when he realized what the people on on the

568
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:44,120
citizenship did to his sister and of course he would be afraid for his own future he of course he

569
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:49,720
would as a child even though you're in advance the superior child I guess you would be afraid what

570
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:54,600
could happen to you in the future all of that is very understandable the problem is he recontextualizes

571
01:24:54,600 --> 01:25:01,560
nothing of that he revisits nothing of that when he is an adult he never does any kind of at least we

572
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:10,200
don't see it any kind of introspection so but it's still interesting that he's a bit more of a gray

573
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:16,600
character and especially that rem is that as well the doctor of course to you know he he was the main

574
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:23,800
person we see in the flashback who made the decision we say so who even brought up the possibility

575
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:34,040
of keeping Tesla alive in a vivisected state and of course him realizing at some point what he has

576
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:43,560
done and having big regrets about it and now being like okay I'll do my I suck humanity sucks and I

577
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:50,280
need to do better so I'm gonna do what nice wants to do and save the plans because I I did so much

578
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:55,800
damage to them and cost so much pain and this is my way to attaining for that also not the best choice

579
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:05,720
there were other ways but I at least understand his character and again knives not understanding

580
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:12,680
the feelings of all these people around him is I think his downfall he first of all he doesn't

581
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:17,960
understand verse and not the other plans because it's very evident by the end I mean with

582
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:23,880
the bash even in the beginning he doesn't want what is what his brother wants he tells him that but

583
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:32,200
nice doesn't listen but even more so with the plans and probably Tesla as well we just see like

584
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:40,680
he's trying to to use to to revive the plans with his power at the end and it doesn't work

585
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:45,720
and it feels like it's partially not working because the plans don't want it

586
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:55,640
and they don't want this kind of I feel like responsibility and also Tesla at the end when we see her

587
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:02,280
saying goodbye to Vash in a moment and when we see her when he dives into her when he's part of

588
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:09,880
knives mind and of her mind because knives put a fucking part of her into his heart into his chest

589
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:16,440
which is super fucked up you see her eye in his heart I think at some point when his chest is open

590
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:24,920
which is ridiculous but when he dives into her mind and when she says goodbye to him when all the

591
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:30,920
plans fly into space or their consciousness anyway she's just happy that she is free

592
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:38,040
like she didn't want to be part of this revenge mission this liberation mission of knives she just

593
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:45,320
wanted to get out of that fucking tube and wanted to die and wanted her soul to be released

594
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:52,760
and he didn't grant her that he used her to further his own like to accomplish his mission

595
01:27:52,760 --> 01:28:00,440
and that's again fucked up he does not what he is doing like he's not listening to what the people

596
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:06,760
he is ostensibly or he states what he's doing his what he's doing for he doesn't listen to what they

597
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:14,520
actually want and that pushes him to him more into villain territory than they could have done if he

598
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:19,080
you know turned around and actually listened to these characters but he's so driven and single minded

599
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:26,520
that that never comes up and it was a bit of a bummer I mean I like as clear cut villain but I also

600
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:32,760
would have liked to have more moments of introspection where he questions his own ideals and everything and

601
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:38,840
then for another reason still decides to go further but you know he mostly does that because he can't

602
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:44,600
accept his own sins and can't doesn't want to entone for them which is okay it's a good motivation don't

603
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:50,200
get me wrong and I like that that is in there but I would have liked to have more of that and it's just

604
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:56,680
he's because he becomes such a despicable asshole by the end that I get your point of you not wanting

605
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:04,280
to accept any kind of effort on the side of the show of redeeming him which I totally get it John

606
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:12,040
I mean there's there is all of that in like this is kind of mirroring some true to life stuff but

607
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:22,680
no one around him wants to say no to him until they start to realize the consequences of his actions

608
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:30,440
and it takes them a real long time to come around and say hey maybe we shouldn't have done this so

609
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:36,520
blindly and by that point like fuck it it's too late yes absolutely I mean that's that's a tragedy of

610
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:45,960
it of course and some people don't even do that legato but you know Ellen Deira does it even more so

611
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:51,560
though because she realizes that he doesn't care about her I guess the doctor does it in in in

612
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:58,360
how's it I mean he doesn't really do it but he at least admits that it might not be the best way

613
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:05,640
but he also doesn't see any other way yeah me doctor Conrad is he's interesting because he

614
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:12,920
he definitely knows what's going on is like maybe this isn't the right way but he he doesn't have

615
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:19,320
like a solution for any of this so he's just sort of like doing what he can to make up for his

616
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:25,640
own mistakes and I think that's interesting for him at least he doesn't a vision for a really

617
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:33,800
effusion for a toning for his past sins and he feels like knives what what knife is doing is one

618
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:41,240
way to achieve that which is a bit lazy like maybe do a bit of more soul searching and see how you can

619
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:46,360
really do what you can really do to maybe save humanity and the plans at the same time you seem

620
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:52,360
to be a pretty smart guy so there's probably a better way to do this and maybe he did and we just

621
01:30:53,400 --> 01:31:01,880
don't get the luxury of actually seeing that like in flashbacks and so on maybe he did I mean I think

622
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:08,920
he mentioned it at some point that he tried for the past 150 years or whatever to to find a way to do

623
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:17,000
some to to to save plans and humans but I'm not sure if he actually did because it feels like he is

624
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:24,760
he's just subscribed to knives a ways of doing thing and things and that's that and a lot of people

625
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:32,280
are just afraid of knives right midwelly for example which is also understandable like he he he

626
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:39,960
uses fear and devotion in in equal ways among his followers so I guess that fits but yeah it's a

627
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:46,440
bummer that he has no one among his flock who really questions him in an effective manner or can't

628
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:54,120
because let's be honest he is so powerful and if you wanted to he could kill all of them so I get it

629
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:59,160
they should just do it like Nicholas you know all of them at some point they should have realized

630
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:05,320
and be like oh okay this is fuck this is not good this is not gonna end a good way we're just gonna

631
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:11,000
leave because that's what that's what wolfwood does like he is part of that crew for a while he is a

632
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:17,960
gangho gun his mission technically is to spy on vash and then bring him back at some point and they

633
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:23,240
do a red hair like a fake out here where it's like oh I did this this is my mission but you know

634
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:27,160
immediately no no he's just here to keep an eye on things and at the right moment to spring

635
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:35,480
vash from jail that's that's what he's doing of obviously but you know that he did that like he

636
01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:42,920
basically left and fought on the side of the good guys you know still pretending that he's doing it

637
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:50,040
to stay close to their side so he could bring them to to nice if mission requires it at some point

638
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:55,080
but still you know that was his way of doing that and it probably would have been the best thing

639
01:32:55,080 --> 01:33:02,120
for the other characters too just leaving and you know by the end all of the a lot of them I mean most of

640
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:11,240
them survive leave you survives a little of a survives who else is there mid Valley doctor dr.

641
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:16,120
dr. chronic dice I mean belly survive me valley got the good ending because in the oh man in the

642
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:25,640
original uh vash disables his saxophone just dents it the heck up and mid valley takes his own life

643
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:33,000
oh okay so yeah he can he got the good the unquestionably very good ending this time around

644
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:38,920
and he's not the only one because Nicholas survives which he doesn't in the old show that's true

645
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:44,840
he he dies there and it is even more herring there because he is a romantic relationship with

646
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:50,600
millie in the old show and he one of the episode where he dies ends just on her sobbing over his

647
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,760
his dead body technique damage I don't think we see her in the same frame with this

648
01:33:54,760 --> 01:34:00,920
is that body but you we see her in her room just crying her eyes out I think if I remember correctly

649
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:07,560
so that doesn't happen in the neither of that happens in the uh in this version both because

650
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:11,400
Nicholas doesn't die and also because he doesn't have that relationship kind of relationship to

651
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:19,160
millie in this so it's a bit of a like trade off I think because I like that they become like a

652
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:25,080
couple in the old show even though they don't put that much focus on that really it's just more of

653
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:31,320
like a small hints at the side and him you know being in her room at some point I think having also

654
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:37,880
his head in her lap and so on you can get okay there's there's a thing there none of this happens

655
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:44,520
in this but also you know that means there is no real emotional I mean there is an emotional like

656
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,760
resonance there when he survives because his brother is there and vassus there and everyone is happy

657
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:55,640
that he's that he survived even though they make it a bit of a joke right they they make it look like

658
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:00,680
he is dying again and then he's like I just want to sleep leave me alone he's like could you guys

659
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:07,800
keep it down a little bit I was like oh my god of course yes and and that's nice but also because

660
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,600
he doesn't have that relationship to millie she is not the one who is like overjoyed that he survived

661
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,760
right so it's a bit of a trade off like I said that that didn't happen here and also

662
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:24,360
you know that means she maybe if they put that more into focus in the season she might have even

663
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:30,360
gotten a bit more screen time which didn't I mean she got screen time that's nice but like I said in

664
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:36,200
the beginning her and maro I would have liked to see more of them so there is not that much interaction

665
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:42,200
of them like meaningful interaction of them with the other characters mostly just hey

666
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:48,680
we need to do this and maybe help in that way delivering messages or finding people

667
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:55,640
but it's not really like they they they they I mean in the in the pre-instampied her maro's

668
01:35:55,640 --> 01:36:01,560
influence is more important like I said because she's calling out to vassian getting him out of the

669
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:08,600
hypnosis um whatever mind manipulation because he also interprets her voice as a rems voice

670
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:16,520
and I don't think anything of that caliber is in sargay's so yeah again I would have like to have

671
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:23,400
these characters have a more meaningful role in this um so yeah but they're part of the action

672
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:31,320
partially and it's fun and it's nice but yeah this is how we end to show kind of like uh again knives

673
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:36,440
sacrifices himself dies, their survives has completely black hair now

674
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:45,320
so I guess he's now just mortal and a mortal somewhat human being and most of the people

675
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:52,920
fuck off into space to search for other planets and uh vass2 apparently everyone I think only a

676
01:36:52,920 --> 01:37:04,200
couple of people from ship three stay behind maybe to um uh to to to attend to the the flora that is

677
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:13,800
now on on the planet I mean whatever I don't even know how it happens the the some whatever explosion

678
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:21,000
happened here uh cost the the flora to grow uh it like terra formed the planet a bit a bit I don't

679
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:27,080
even remember how that happens I think it's just the energy that was released from the plants right?

680
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:34,120
yeah it's when I guess when as far as our colon knives is dying and he's falling back to the planet

681
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:42,040
and that introduced a little bit of water and flora so that will eventually uh cover the entire

682
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:48,760
planet but that will take time yes exactly so they need someone there because it's a very harsh

683
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,720
environment to make sure that that happens but it will take several hundred years so at least

684
01:37:53,720 --> 01:38:02,120
and uh yeah so the rest of the people fuck off into space so yeah uh pretty nice ending like uh

685
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:09,880
for like a twenty two uh four episode run uh pretty a lot of story a lot of character development

686
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:17,400
especially when it comes to vass and knives and wolfwood and i guess to an extent liveo and some of

687
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:22,440
the side characters at least nice and rubber to the first season but uh not nice and better

688
01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:28,680
marial and rubber to the first season not as much uh for marial in the second season same for milley

689
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:35,320
some of the villains uh get some interesting bits like mid-villy a lot more interesting than in the old show

690
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:44,600
um and yeah uh legato not so much like i said but uh i would say the positives definitely outweigh

691
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,720
the negatives and this and let's not forget the amazing visuals,

692
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:52,680
protection values in general the soundtrack from beginning to end is fucking incredible and

693
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:58,280
got me really emotional at certain moments and uh yeah the show just looks so goddamn good

694
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:04,760
like orange just when they're firing on all cylinders cylinders it's a side to behold uh they are unmatched

695
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:09,000
when it comes to cg anime which is not saying a lot because that bar is very low but

696
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:18,520
they they have raced it so much so uh i wonder what will happen uh and what what what they will do

697
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:22,680
in the future because i don't think we will get another season of this i haven't read the dragon

698
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:27,720
maximum manga or whatever i don't know if there's more story to tell here but i doubt it because this

699
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:34,040
now in contrary to how the first season ended feels like a definitive end for these characters

700
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:39,800
and uh of course they could go to another planet and have new adventures there that could happen

701
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:46,680
of course i don't think we will get that uh would be surprised and that's totally okay

702
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:55,480
it's this is a very nice um two season of two seasons of anime and uh with with the cool story

703
01:39:55,480 --> 01:40:02,200
and characters and some really good action and i like that and i wonder i didn't look at fan uh

704
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:06,600
impressions of this like people who like the old show do they like the new show as much do they

705
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:13,480
like the new show more i wonder uh if that's the case but uh i really enjoyed what we got i thought

706
01:40:13,480 --> 01:40:18,760
this was great john how did you feel about stampede and especially stargay's i thought it was good

707
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:24,920
i mean it definitely did some things different from your john i feel like i think it's one of those

708
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:29,720
shows where you could be like yeah i like this part of the original by like that part of the new one

709
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:37,880
you know what i mean yeah but i think we said it last time around that one doesn't invalidate

710
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:45,320
the other because they're both good in their own ways it just you know is really a matter of preference

711
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:50,440
yes this is different interpretation uh some people might argue it's a more complete one because

712
01:40:50,440 --> 01:40:58,280
it includes the dragon maxima manga whatever but i still like yeah i feel like you the old show holds up

713
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:05,160
in a lot of ways not necessarily in animation in certain parts but in terms of storytelling

714
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:12,040
uh in terms of atmosphere uh this the old show is still valid and still good and still fun and uh

715
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:19,080
new show has a different tone it has uh has a different focus it remixes the story a lot so both of

716
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:26,200
these things can exist next to each other without one invalidating the other and i appreciate it so

717
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:33,400
okay i just think it's interesting that you could definitely tell from looking at both side by side

718
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:39,160
they're like well we like this part of it but we also want to do this part of the of this other one

719
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:44,680
but we also want to throw in a little bit of our own spice to so it's like a neat mix and

720
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:51,240
they get works out in the end yeah absolutely i think this is a great show uh you can what where can

721
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:58,840
people watch it john yeah it's you can watch it crunch on crunch your old pretty much pretty much

722
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:05,800
anywhere you live apparently uh the only other service list here is anna one asia so you can watch

723
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:11,560
it on crunch your old yes and please do that this is a fantastic show uh if you like your signs

724
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:24,920
fiction with west western elements and uh you know ala uh firefly i guess or outlaw star uh and if you

725
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:32,920
you know if you if you like your motley crew of characters like in cowboy bibob and uh some cool

726
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:37,720
sub-texture subtexture stuff some good character development and everything and especially

727
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:42,120
great production values then you can go wrong with this i thought it was a blast from beginning

728
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:48,040
to end it's very quick pace there's there are no more boring moments in the show there's always

729
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:54,040
something happening it's a very breezy watch from beginning to end 24 episodes you're in and out

730
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:59,160
and you have a complete story and a very fulfilling story in my opinion even though it's not a super

731
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:09,560
complicated one uh i feel uh felt pretty good uh by the end of it and um yeah i um i hope uh i i wonder

732
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:16,360
what we'll get next from uh nito i am not up to date on any of his projects i don't know

733
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:21,480
blabok battlefront is the running we're not gonna get another see you know that probably but uh i was

734
01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:25,480
actually looking it up earlier while we were talking so i was like wait a minute is it a complete

735
01:43:25,480 --> 01:43:35,480
adaptation in yes it is asterisk uh so there were there was a second uh run of the manga that came

736
01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:43,640
after that which is now complete and now there's a third run of it so if i guess if they want to

737
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:49,160
adapt you know the second run of it that is complete and you know they're from beginning to end

738
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:58,440
who knows okay so we might see another version of that and uh yeah interested uh interesting and

739
01:43:58,440 --> 01:44:07,320
yeah again watch try gun it's a good time and uh i'm i'm glad we uh got uh not only one but two

740
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:17,480
helping of our favorite trigger unhappy typhoon two edited data

741
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:32,680
so do you like horse racing um i mean i'm not doing it myself but maybe sometimes

742
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:39,640
looking at it as i mean in in anime it's much more interesting than in real life that's why we're

743
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:46,440
here to talk to you about umamusame season three no i i would also maybe check that out because

744
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:53,720
everything i've seen of it looks really fun yes but this is this is actual horses this time around

745
01:44:54,520 --> 01:45:02,840
we're not we're not gaslighting anyone on this one so jojo's bizarre adventure steep a run

746
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:09,160
but that's that that's the one that is the one that is the only one as as the show teaches us in

747
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:19,480
every little uh mid mid episode uh break i catcher all one episode yes well take

748
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:29,320
neatly to episode but yes uh steel ball run is the seventh part oh jojo's bizarre adventure which

749
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:39,000
creates a new continuity for the series especially after the especially after the way part six ended

750
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:44,760
yeah but i don't think it's set into in the same universe as sick as you know where six ends up i don't

751
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:52,520
think that's that continuity no it's not like a lot of people theorize that and i'm pretty sure um

752
01:45:52,520 --> 01:46:01,240
arake was like shut up your wrong shut up i don't put that much thought into this set which is

753
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:07,480
all i can say to that is you know what my guy fair fair enough yeah and i like that we get like this

754
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:13,880
fresh uh fresh start like completely different set up we have some characters which are like hey i

755
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:21,560
know that name i know that person you have plenty of parallels yes but they are completely different

756
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:28,360
roles here and this is also you know i i don't know when did uh when was the original part one like

757
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:34,040
phantom blood uh what year was that set in in the original timeline what was was that also eight

758
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:41,080
eighteen ninety i was that earlier i think it was like late eighteen hundred uh eighteen eighties

759
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:47,560
okay okay it's on the same time frame yes but this is set in uh eighteen ninety

760
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:56,280
september eighteen ninety yes um in san diego i guess at least in the beginning yes we have our

761
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:03,080
promoter steven steel announcing the the cross country steel ball run horse race which

762
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:11,400
will crosses the continental united states of america from san diego to new york city yes four

763
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:17,400
thousand miles on horseback nine stages and the price money is fifty million dollars which is an

764
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:23,080
appropriately ridiculous number considering the times there would be a lot of money today but but

765
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:29,080
but yeah i wanted to do a conversion on that uh yeah fifty million dollars in eighteen ninety is

766
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:39,480
one point eight billion dollars which would explain why a steven steel is so scared about this race

767
01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:47,720
not working out and going badly yeah with the with the advertisers or whatever i don't even know

768
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:53,240
how does he make money from this by the way like shut up don't worry about it is he already that rich

769
01:47:53,240 --> 01:48:01,480
or what what is what is happening there like he seems to be not very steel minded i got to assume he's got

770
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:10,920
some degree of money yeah i mean we don't really learn that much about him in this

771
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:16,440
we don't really learn that much about anybody in this first forty eight minutes or along this

772
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:22,200
exercise episode is because this is only the first stage of the race we only have the very first

773
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:28,120
race that is from sundiego to i don't even know where the first stop is i think some church in the

774
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:35,800
middle of nowhere or whatever is where the goal is and yeah so this is where what we're getting for

775
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:43,400
this let's say extended prologue maybe at the rest is gonna come and fall i think so at maybe

776
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:49,800
maybe they're gonna do a a a stage for every new batch like every new new batch of episodes maybe

777
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:54,520
gonna cover one stage would see they haven't confirmed any of it i got to imagine that's the game

778
01:48:54,520 --> 01:49:00,360
planned it that would make sense to do yeah i wonder how that will turn out if all the stages are

779
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:05,080
very different in size like i mean this is a very short one i don't know if they get progressively

780
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:10,520
longer or if there's some short ones in between because that might alienate some people with like this

781
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:15,320
this is probably already alienated some people was like hey new season of jojo's it's only one

782
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:20,680
episode and you're gonna get the rest in full then in full maybe we get 12 or 24 depending on

783
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,720
on the second stages and then we go back to 12 and then maybe we go back to six or two or three

784
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:32,040
who knows so this i hope this doesn't backfire if they really choose that model and everyone's like

785
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:39,080
oh okay there's new jojo's and it's just part of this season i guess it's a very unusual way of

786
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:46,520
doing things definitely yeah i'm just sort of i'm looking at the length of each race just the race

787
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:55,320
itself not any other spoilers and they all seem to be about the same like a set for maybe like the

788
01:49:55,320 --> 01:50:00,920
seventh and fifth stages all the other seem about the the second stage looks like it might be a

789
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:07,720
little bit of a long one so okay yeah the so with they went from the San Diego West Coast beach to

790
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:15,160
the sanctumaria novella church which looks like it's it's looks like it's still in california like

791
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:21,240
maybe right on the border i think the upside of doing it this way is giving the maybe the

792
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:28,840
animators enough time to really like focus and put the work in and not having to crunch that much

793
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:34,360
and whatever because it's a limited limited number of episodes and it's not adhering to a strict

794
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:40,440
seasonal model with a certain amount of episodes which i guess Netflix is the correct platform for

795
01:50:40,440 --> 01:50:47,160
to try something like that because they you know either release stuff in you know in bench batches

796
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:54,200
or sometimes they do weekly episodes for anime but this is rare and this is a new thing where it's

797
01:50:54,200 --> 01:51:00,680
like okay maybe if they do it really just by stages this might actually help animators depending

798
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:07,880
on how many episodes there are to to be to like give us the most quality they can muster for

799
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:12,840
for this because they can still they can take as much time as they want because they don't have to

800
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:18,600
necessarily be like okay this needs to be 24 episodes again this in the next season but then again

801
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,920
24 episodes and we need to cover this in that much and they can be like no we just need to do as

802
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:28,680
many episodes we need to cover this part of the race and we can take as much time as we need for

803
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:34,840
that we'll see it will be super interesting but i don't know about you john i felt like the animation

804
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:44,760
quality in this first stage was appropriately comparably great uh when you know looking at some of

805
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:51,240
the other jojo stuff considering how hyped this part was i feel like this looked really good for

806
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:57,560
jojo's show how did you feel about it they basically went whole hog on this and

807
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:03,960
a lot of people i know were kind of confused about the format of the show and like

808
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:08,280
oh what do you mean they can't release more than one episode at a time

809
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:15,320
maybe this is the reason why and the fact that i guess you could put a little bit of it on the net

810
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:21,080
uh netflix too because who knows if they release schedule sometimes but you could tell david

811
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:27,240
production was like yes and they were like we're going to do this right yeah definitely for you

812
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:35,320
it's like it like they put like their a team on this which of course would probably did have an

813
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:44,600
effect on fire force uh but that's what i already assumed so um but hey at least it pays off for

814
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:50,840
jojo's fans and we are jojo's fans so this this looks great this sounds great like the soundtrack is

815
01:52:50,840 --> 01:53:02,840
really cool and triumphant in this and fun and uh it hey they even mostly managed to um overcome and the

816
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:11,560
matrix biggest nightmare a horse in motion right like there's some scenes where like very few scenes

817
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,440
where they're like oh the horses don't look that good in in in this but a lot of scenes

818
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:22,440
and it was one of the things that you could be rightfully worried about before watching this the horses

819
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:30,120
look great and i guess this is important because they are also like side characters in this like they

820
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:35,880
have all the horses in this have strong personalities they have names like i feel like a lot of the

821
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:44,280
horses in this have now gotten the musical names the bad names uh one of uh um uh who source is this

822
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:52,600
is gyro no gyroshors is voucher right uh i think it was do uh diago's horses silver bullet

823
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:58,840
oh diago's horse was silver bullet yes yeah right uh no there was another one that was clear go

824
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:05,080
oh um ghost rider ghost rider in the sky that's it in the sky right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

825
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:11,240
i don't know whose horse that was but uh mountain tim apparently mountain yes exactly so that

826
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:17,560
that fun is still in there which is crazy i talked i had a friend over from the Netherlands and he's

827
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:25,320
also big jojo's fan and he loved the the the the first stage of this and he was not aware that there

828
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:31,240
are musical references in jojo's really not on that because he watched the dub and they changed

829
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:38,360
all the names and they as you recall and i was like hey uh did uh i wonder what musical names are

830
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:43,480
gonna be in this and he looked at me funny and it was like didn't you know that all right and we

831
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:50,360
played the the the the also our battle game uh and i i told him oh this guy character is named like

832
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:55,240
that in the origin and this character is named like that in the origin and he was like like a whole new

833
01:54:55,240 --> 01:55:03,240
world opened up to him and uh i said yeah like i guess you got to watch the japanese version uh now

834
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:11,240
or rewatch it and he's like yeah i guess i got to so uh but yeah uh that as a small the side so

835
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:17,880
yeah that shit is still in here and it's fun so who do we have as our important characters uh here

836
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:23,960
john because there are a couple that we get introduced to already in this first stage oh i feel like

837
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:34,200
that one our our big three here are probably johnny joe star who was he was a former jockey

838
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:43,480
prodigy and then he got injured and now he's a paraplegic and he has to roll around in a wheelchair

839
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:54,440
and he can't really race as well anymore so but then he runs across gyro zippoly international

840
01:55:54,440 --> 01:56:01,960
hand of mystery and he has who has who has go go zippoly printed on his gold teeth yes what does

841
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:06,600
the what the fuck does he think he is like who the fuck does he think he is inspector gatchett

842
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:13,480
and his felt buckle points down towards his crotch because sure no it would

843
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:26,040
and he has these mysterious steel balls and uh zippoly ends up using them against some

844
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:34,680
miscreant who's trying to just hustle someone and johnny is so confused by like what what the hell are

845
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:41,560
those what do those do and when he touches one because his legs to like twitch almost like he can

846
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:49,960
move them again and he's like well now i need to know what the hell these things are yes i wonder like

847
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:56,280
if this is the benefit like if there are still stands in this like is is is our key bringing them

848
01:56:56,280 --> 01:57:01,640
back for this are we going back to a harmoness kind of power because we didn't see any standman

849
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:08,440
of station and these steel balls yet so i don't know if that's the case but i think in the game

850
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:14,360
and you also game the steel ball run characters half stands or maybe the horses to

851
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:20,920
maybe the horses are their stands as far as i recall from what i played of all start battle it was like

852
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:24,680
horse on horse off like you didn't really have the

853
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:33,000
a stand button like some of the other characters did but yeah there's all of that and then

854
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:42,680
one of the big rivals in the races one deaco brando everyone calls him deal though like of course

855
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:47,560
of course they do yes everybody say deaco brando in the beginning and then from that moment on

856
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:53,640
everyone says deal and i'm like okay and i mean he even says do on his hat yes that's true that's

857
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:59,880
probably i guess that's his nickname in this universe like in this this show he while in the

858
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:06,680
old show he really his name was really deo and i love that when his theme starts playing it's like

859
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:13,000
the leap motif of deo's theme from the older parts and i was just like oh that's so good that's

860
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:19,400
cool oh it's so good yes in general like i said to sundry it's great man and of course there's

861
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:27,080
Steven steel we mentioned earlier who's trying to work the crowd for this big race and he has no idea

862
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:33,800
he's gonna pay the money off i don't understand where he's gonna get 50 million dollars from an 1890

863
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:42,920
he addresses the crowd about the entrance fee for this race being $150 which let's

864
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:53,400
let's do convert on that real quick okay yeah so $150 and 1890 is $5,489 in today's money so it's a

865
01:58:53,400 --> 01:59:00,280
little bit of an entrance fee yeah but still considering the profit you could gain and considering

866
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:07,480
that aren't there not that many racers they can't get it from the entry fee alone right yeah but at

867
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:12,360
the start there's something like three thousand something racers so yeah okay now to the

868
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:20,280
multiplication three thousand racers more 150 does not make 50 million i think so no not strictly by

869
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:27,880
the numbers now so he needs to get cars from he needs to get money from sponsors and stuff like that

870
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:36,440
as well so or maybe he's already loaded because he's but but he's a promoter he's not like a company

871
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:43,400
magnet or whatever like so i've got a lot of sponsors yeah i wonder there's probably gonna be some

872
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:49,560
twist on the road to all of this like to his character as well i'm really interested to see where

873
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:53,960
where where they go with this and also his side characters because his female assistance probably

874
01:59:53,960 --> 02:00:04,120
more important than we think so yeah but who else do we have we've got umid afdol in writing in on

875
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:11,560
his camel he wouldn't even be worth mentioning link mentioning considering what how quick he's

876
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:19,400
out of the race if he wasn't afdol right exactly he's really like in there as a cameo as a joke

877
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:28,920
cameo really oh it's the guy from stardust crusade oh he's out yep we've got polka loco who is

878
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:37,400
lucky guy he sure is a character but luck is on his side and yeah for now and of course his

879
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:48,280
horses name hey like the outcast son yeah yeah so yeah he's fun you you he i don't he uh no

880
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:53,080
that he's a very lucky person or he says that at some point at that seems to hold true because

881
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:58,360
he talked to a fortune teller and we know that fortune teller she probably doesn't have the same

882
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:00,280
role at this but we know her for phantom blood

883
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:10,360
big thing yeah yeah so i don't know if she has the same kind of influence i didn't see an arrow flying

884
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:20,040
around some but yeah it's uh it was it was pretty interesting seeing her and um yeah so uh wonder if his

885
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:27,960
luck is also some kind of stand power or whatever probably but the funny thing is the way it presents

886
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:37,000
itself it's not like only that the tide is often turned into his favor like in a ridiculous way it

887
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,160
the funny thing is it is it always looks like he's gonna

888
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:49,000
fuck himself up severely like he's in a real bind and then that turns into the most ridiculous lucky

889
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:55,960
thing that could happen like him stumbling his horse stumbling over like the the carcass of a cow

890
02:01:55,960 --> 02:02:00,200
and then him and his horse surfing on that carcass down a slope

891
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:10,520
is incredible roostum luck is gonna carry him across the finish line yes and yeah that's him and then

892
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:19,800
I think we have one final big uh or at least the show presents like yes um then there's sand man

893
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:25,640
sent man the guy who just runs yeah he don't need a horse he just run just do big running

894
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:34,600
who's the native american guy which you know i hope Araki you know that doesn't i feel like there's not

895
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:41,560
too much stereotyping going on except from the white man this blah you know stuff that he's yelling

896
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:48,600
all the time but uh you know it's interesting that he you know it's just running which is probably

897
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:54,600
his power that he has super power legs or whatever and that that keeps it like in general I expected

898
02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:00,280
everyone to use a horse but we also have a guy who tries to use a car and then realizes that

899
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:08,680
running at in that age a car across the entire continent would be way too heavy on the fuel usage

900
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:16,520
so he's not legally as well it's some nice one of jokes in this it's like oh one of them is using a

901
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:23,400
car that's gonna be interesting we'll see how that no piece out uh so we're gonna sing with horses and

902
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:31,400
feet I guess at this uh at this time and yeah the show makes it look like our main focus characters

903
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:41,800
are gonna be uh Johnny of course Jarro Diego uh uh Polkoloco and uh sent man and we'll see who else

904
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:48,120
is gonna become important down the road but these five seem to be the the guys who are gonna

905
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:56,520
compete for the price money uh so yeah that's gonna be super interesting and kind of that's kind of

906
02:03:56,520 --> 02:04:01,880
all there is to this first episode uh I mean it's not super long we we've got to get close to talking

907
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:06,600
longer about it than the actual episode runs so you might as well have just watched this instead of

908
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:13,000
listening to us uh about it's nice that you're listening to us thank you um but yeah this this was

909
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:20,200
just super fun it's got real wacky racist energy like so much ridiculous shit happening uh some cool

910
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:26,600
super moves like Diego has this thing where he uh where he can basically do like I don't know

911
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:34,360
like phantom shift or or dash to the side like like he he disappears for a while and suddenly

912
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:41,560
somewhere else because he is able to move his horse so fast and use the the the the wind stream shadow

913
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:49,720
whatever like like off of the people in front of him to his advantage to overtake them um yeah he shows

914
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:55,960
himself to be really good at reading the horse's moves and using that to his advantage too yeah we have

915
02:04:55,960 --> 02:05:01,720
that then have we have of course even more ridiculous shit with uh gyro and steal balls where he

916
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:10,360
just uses them to propel just attaches them to in one scene to the ass of his horse and that propels

917
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:17,640
the horse into the air and like hit do a topper boosting from night rider and then uh we have another

918
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:23,560
scene where he attaches them to his cape and he's using them like I don't know rocket boosters or whatever

919
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:32,760
it's nonsense but it's cool yeah it is which is pretty much powerful the chorus in terms of jojo's

920
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:39,160
you got a lot of bullshit and nonsense but it's all very cool and funny and fun so yeah this is that

921
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:46,040
just you know in the wild west with horses and uh yeah i'm super interested to see where this goes because

922
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:56,360
the this first extra long episode was incredibly fun and funny and good so uh yeah I I I loved it I

923
02:05:56,360 --> 02:06:00,360
thought David pro was sitting it out of the park in terms of production values the animation looks great

924
02:06:00,360 --> 02:06:06,040
the music is fantastic and uh yeah everything looks like maximum effort

925
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:12,760
oh yeah for sure that's what all of us wanted like I mean I haven't read the manga but I've heard so

926
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:18,920
many times people saying hey see what run is the best part and it you have no idea how fucking crazy

927
02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:25,400
it gets and that is saying something in terms of fucking jojo's compared to everything that came before

928
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:34,200
yeah yeah so we'll see I really just just it's it's it's it's deal even gonna be the main bad guy in

929
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:40,520
this uh are they gonna stick with that or is something else happening because right now I guess

930
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:46,680
somewhat the main antagonist is gyro or the guy with the biggest power set so and I mean

931
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:52,760
Zeppelin was the guy who taught uh Jonathan in the original how to use his his his powers and

932
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:59,320
that is the same thing that is probably gonna happen here so this is probably gonna be a bit of a

933
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:06,200
redo remake situation of well-known relationships from the previous parts uh but also doing some

934
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:10,680
completely new things due to the different environments and different story setup and so on

935
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:18,760
and I'm down with all of that I love that uh and I I hope we're probably gonna get a couple of years

936
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:24,360
out of this uh considering at least yeah stebron as one as one as one of the longest parts I don't know

937
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:33,320
if it's the longest uh going with might have it be there I'm not sure I think you have a might be

938
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:44,520
yeah maybe so uh we we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna be watching this this part of jojo's for a while

939
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:51,880
and I'm absolutely okay with that just judging from this first premiere episode uh we're gonna

940
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:59,320
have a blast on we're gonna have a really good time and she's gonna get wild it'll be like I know

941
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:04,520
people are complaining about the release of this but it'll be nice to

942
02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:11,160
every few months be like oh hey there's there's a little bit more we can watch and you know

943
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:19,320
will that fragment it a bit yeah sure but it'll you know keep us going for at least a couple maybe

944
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:25,480
three years depending on how they're releasing how they run it and at least if they really go by stage

945
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:31,560
as a release for them right we know when this will be over we don't have to guess like oh is this

946
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:36,440
the final final season or the final final final final season no we're gonna have like

947
02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:43,560
nine seasons technically because there are nine stages to this I assume if the depending how they

948
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:49,800
might compress some parts you know yes if they compress them right like my my assumption was hey if

949
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:57,880
they give us one episode for one stage instead of doing stage one and two in one season one normal

950
02:08:57,880 --> 02:09:05,400
seasons if they stick to that model we're gonna get nine seasons with varying numbers of episodes

951
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:11,240
because they're probably gonna give each stage as many episodes as it makes sense in terms of what

952
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:17,720
how much story is available for or material is available from the manga for each individual stage

953
02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:24,920
okay it looks like geolyon is slightly longer than uh really steel ball yeah by like three

954
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:32,120
three chapters three volume I think it's yeah three volumes it's also a nice thing to know in the back

955
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:37,000
of your head right that we're even after this we're not done with jojo stairs joe joe

956
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:43,960
there's jojo lands uh which also looks really cool so hey we're not gonna run out a run out of joe joe

957
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:53,960
any time soon which is a good thing to have I mean David production already lived up to their initial

958
02:09:53,960 --> 02:10:00,280
promise of doing parts one through six because if you go back and look at some of like the old intro

959
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:05,960
sequences you see pieces of all six parts in there it's like okay so they were just like

960
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:11,080
shooting for the moon and saying yeah we're gonna do all of this this is icing on the cake basically

961
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:18,200
that they're continuing to go even further and I mean one through six capping that of makes makes sense

962
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:23,240
because it's the same shared universe right it's the same timeline and now they're rebooting that

963
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:29,480
I don't know if jojo leon or jojo lands aren't anyway connected to steel ball run or to the other

964
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:35,800
universe or to the a new universe that was created by a stone ocean or at the end of stone ocean

965
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:41,160
no idea but I am really interested to find out down the line but it's gonna be a couple of years

966
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:48,920
before we get to jojo leon and uh two jojo lands unless you want to read the manga which hey I can wait

967
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:55,640
I totally okay with seeing what David production does with this and uh because so far I've been super

968
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:59,800
happy with their output of course there's a varying degrees of quality in the different seasons they

969
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:05,560
were choppy or I mean phantom blood did not look great and there were definitely some choppy parts in

970
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:12,520
you know some in golden wind and definitely in stone ocean but they were fun all of those were

971
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:22,520
all every every part of jojo's is at least fun and some of them are genuinely great so hey I assume

972
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:28,440
the same will apply to steel baron and judging from what I've heard about this uh about the part

973
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:34,840
and judging from how good this first episode looks you know not being caught in the usual first episode

974
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:39,960
trap because a lot of anime at least back in the day had the first episode look like gangbass look

975
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:44,520
amazing and then all the other episodes look like shit but I don't think that will happen here

976
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:50,920
that's that's not how David production works uh so in considering they take a lot of time to even

977
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:58,280
get to the next stage like that is not that is coming in fall that this is gonna look probably the best

978
02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:04,280
jojo says I've ever looked all the way through so I'm absolutely happy with what we got for now

979
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:11,400
I'm looking forward to getting more don't rush it guys take your time we'll wait and uh I just uh

980
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:15,880
looking forward to see the best version of this testing that they can deliver for sure

981
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:29,400
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