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Hello and welcome to an all new episode of Anime Brain Freeze. We are your starbound hosts.
I am John. And I'm CC. And when there's just too much cool anime to watch, we've got you covered.
Today we will do some star and Joe stargazing because we will review the technically second season of the new Tri-Gun
Stargazing. After that, we are off to the races and will discuss the first stage of the news entry in one of our favorite franchises in anime, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Steel Ball Run.
So grab your red coats and cross-shaped machine guns, get yourself a horse that turbo boosts you across the finish line and definitely don't pass the pod. We'll be right back!
So yeah, it's been a while since we talked about Tri-Gun Stampede. How long exactly we've done? I don't even know.
It finished... Stampede finished airing in March 2023. So it's been almost three years between the seasons, but you know...
Orange was hard at work on this, you could tell.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think the funny thing is in the show as well, three years past between the two seasons.
I think they specifically call out two and a half.
Two and a half. So that isn't close enough, but just the same thing. It makes sense.
So that works. So yeah, if you don't know anything about Tri-Gun or about this adaption or whatever, please listen to our review of Tri-Gun Stampede,
which is technically the first season of this. The second one just has a different name, Tri-Gun Stargaze, which we're going to talk about today,
but we're not going to go into the setup on... Because it's a continuous season or whatever.
But since we... I think when we talked about Tri-Gun Stampede, we still did not really do spoiler-filled reviews of season one shows.
I mean, we still really don't until there's really... Until we know it's the only season that we're going to get properly,
and there's not going to be like a continuation. And I don't think we...
We thought we would get a continuation, so we didn't talk about high-spir-spoir-spoir-ish things in Stampede, if I remember correctly.
So let's just go back to that a bit and talk about the finale of that first, because it directly has an effect on what is happening in this season.
I mean, we knew it was going to continue, because I think Orange set us such, but I think it wasn't known what the format was going to be,
because it seemed like there were people talking for a minute, like, "Oh, it's going to be a movie, it's going to be this, going to be that."
No, it was an entire second season, so... Yeah, exactly. I'm glad it is. I'm glad that we got that.
I feel like you've already deserved it. Also, just as, you know, to get this out there first, I don't feel like the second season directed its feet at all.
No, the scene got up and it got going.
Yes, exactly. And that's how the first season felt. Actually, I rewatched the Stampede before watching this, because it's been a while, and I was like, "Okay, I just want to refresh my mind a bit on this."
And, yeah, I just... You know, I... First thing, first, can we please acknowledge how good Orange is at this?
Like, not only the super-expressive emotions in the facial animations, but also the fantastic action choreography and amazingly active camera.
One of the things that is way too underused in CG heavy shows or movies is the potential to use the camera in a 3D, like three-dimensional space to a degree that wouldn't be easily if at all achievable with a normal camera.
Like, you have so many options to place and move the camera around the screen if your whole scene is composed of CG, especially in action scenes, more DPs and directors need to use these opportunities in Hollywood movies as well, instead of just imitating all the stuff normal cameras can do.
I remember the Dragon Ball Super movie doing that really well in certain shots, so you're like, "Yeah, we could just... We could do whatever with the camera, and they did it really well."
And, I mean, technically, you can already do that in two D-animated movies, right? In traditional animated movies. But it's a bit trickier, you know, having...
There's a lot of extra steps.
Correct. Like, having the camera move at the same time as the animated characters adds a bunch more work to the already work extensive process, it is easy to do that in CG, depending on what kind of animations of where you use and how you are able to move the camera in any given moment.
Because the models are already there, they are consistent, you don't need to technically account for certain, you know, perspective shifts and so on in your actual drawings.
So, usually, you know, the software should do most of that, depending on how it's set up and how good it is.
So, that's why I vote for them doing that more. And I mean, Orange probably still does some extra work, because I think there is a lot of...
A lot more squash and stretch in there are 3D CG stuff that is another, especially in other CG animated stuff. And I appreciate that. And I wouldn't be surprised if they need to do some extra things that...
To the models that are, you know, that demand some extra work also when the camera is moving and stuff like that to have the right impact.
And this season, like, Sarge has had a lot, I mean, not a lot more, but especially in the beginning and in the end, in the crowd scenes, you had more traditional animation.
Like, that's something that jumped out at me immediately, where it was like the first couple of scenes from the new season were like, "Oh, okay, now here we have traditionally animated characters for some reason."
And I'm not a big fan of mixing those with CG animated characters. I feel there's always like a disconnect.
I feel like so long as it's not in the same frame. I can sort of be like, "Okay, all right." Like, what was the show that was super greases with that? You watched that?
The amazing... The piloting. The amazing Kodobuke?
Yeah, I couldn't be right.
Like, a show I'm watching this season. Snowball Earth does a little bit of mixing, but like, not at least again, not in the same frame, but it's sort of weird the way it does it.
Because it's like, "Y'all aren't committing to one or the other. You're switching back and forth a lot." And neither looks bad, so...
Hmm. Maybe they like that mixed thing. I'm not particularly fond of it and to be fair, at least Orange in this doesn't do it as much.
Like, there are a couple of scenes where you definitely see, "Okay, these are traditionally animated characters, but they don't really have much interaction if at all with all the other CG animated characters."
And I guess, from an, like, economical standpoint, it makes sense because it's probably faster to have, like, for these short scenes to draw up certain characters, then to have to construct a completely separate looking model.
And I think they didn't want to have the, "Oh, same character effect, where a lot of characters look the same because they use the same CG model just for the crowd scenes. They wanted them to be diverse enough, so I assume that's the reason why they did this and didn't use the CG also for some of the, for the, you know, for the side, side, side, side, side crowd characters, bystander characters and so on."
I guess it makes sense. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Like, I didn't see a production notes thing for this on a, "Sakuga block" or whatever, so that would be my assumption. That's why they did this. It's not super intrusive. It's just like something that's stuck out to me.
And that I noticed. But yeah, long story short, Orange totally understands what they're doing, both in Bezos and even more so in Trigon when it comes to making the most of the opportunities and the, the boons that CG provides and circumventing some of the problematic things about CG.
But there's still one big thing that is in there that I noticed, both in Stempeed and in Stargaze. They have like this super fluid animation in the fight scenes and in action scenes in general. Like, it is very fast. It, it feels like high frame, like on the level of mostly of like a Disney movie or something, just with a different pixel movie.
Just with a, with a different style. And when they switched to the dialogue scenes, they use the standard anime reduced frame rate style where the characters are jagging a bit across the screen. It is not super noticeable when they just talk, but you still see it.
Yeah, you're right. I didn't really think of that before, but yeah.
I don't know why they're doing it. I don't think there is probably not like in terms of workload or whatever. There's probably not a reason to do this. Maybe it's a style choice because they're like, hey, this is how anime is usually looks when it's in to do. No, it doesn't.
Less frames to render means less budget. Maybe I don't know. I really would like to interview someone who is responsible for this who is doing this and would like pick their brain why they make that choice. Like if there's really a reason behind it in terms of actually this costing less because I cannot.
I don't know if that is really true, like especially in dialogue scenes. I could actually see it in action scenes because you had to use a lot more key frame animation, even in CG, I guess.
Then in, then in dialogue scenes. So there, but there it's super fluid because probably it's, hey, this is the showstopper scene. This needs to look good and in dialogue scenes is not as important.
But also maybe you could do some stuff there with, I don't know frame interpolation or stuff like that. So I am.
I always surprised like how good this show can look and then in some certain in certain moments, it's like, why are these characters? Why is this so so so so framing so jaggy suddenly?
It doesn't it's like to be fair. This is these are nitpicks, right? Like because the character faces are still super expressive. There are, there is so much emotion in these character faces, especially when compared to other CG, animated CG shows, you know, where you have just the flip flaps moving and whatever.
And there's so much emotion in the eyes in the eyebrows in the mouth in the in the in the face in general, like the way it moves around the hair is very well animated in a lot of scenes.
So, you know, it's great. It's just I see, okay, in the same show, I see moments where it's like, okay, it is could look a lot better.
But to be fair, this is the kind of same approach they usually use when they do traditionally animated shows, whereas like you have fantastically looking action scenes and very rarely the dialogue scenes get the same kind of over animated treatment that the action scenes get.
I mean, I guess so dialogues scenes don't really need that treatment in maybe it's just an industry thing that's burned in so deeply, you know what I mean?
Yes, sure, but also the thing is in 2D animation, I can understand this, right? Because the action scenes need a lot of people working on it.
They need a lot of work to be put into to to look as good as they do. So they don't have that much left over to make the the dialogues scenes look as well animated and it's not really necessary.
Like you said, the question is, I don't know if that kind of rule applies the same for CG anime, where it's like, okay, is this as would this require as many people.
To put as much work in it as in to the animation when it comes to making the the the dialogue a lot like less framing and less jittery or is this justice setting where it's like, okay, we don't we are not we're doing it this way because this makes it more look like to the traditional
way in the dialogue scenes, even though that is not necessary just from a work, those prospect a work, those perspective. So that's what I'm wondering about. I'm not sure what it is like if it's actually a necessary thing that they need to do in terms of budget management and human resources, quote unquote management.
Or if this is just a style choice, where it's like, okay, for the action scenes, this needs to look super fluid because on big budget to the traditional animation projects like jujus kites and for example, that's how also the action scenes look and that like just looking at the some of the big fights and new season we just talked about in the last episode.
These are super fluidly animated and look fantastic. So I get why they put that in there and just wondering, okay, is it still necessary to have the dialogues scenes to be that much less impressively animated.
I get it more in the traditional animation version of this I don't quite get it in CG but hey, I also barely know anything about animation animation production. So I just I'm just curious I would like to know so if someone out there one of our listeners actually knows actually has some details on why they are doing it this way if it's more style choice if there's actually a necessity behind this I would really like to know more about the
more about this and hear about this and read about it why they might be choosing to do it like that because it's noticeable it's not breaking the show or anything it's super okay like I said the facial animations are so great that they make you completely forget that like the characters are weirdly
jaggy and frame me while they're moving in the dialogue scenes but yeah still very interesting I'm and a bit confusing that's all that's why I want to mention it to yeah soundtrack still incredible
I the one of the things that stood out to me in stampede was the stop on ship three where we learn a bit about various time shortly after the the big fall of the first big fall we get to that
yeah there was there was there was so great moments in there so many great moments in there and everything every time nice and knives appears and the piano music hits and whatever that's also fantastic so something is amazing
and you're speaking about knives we didn't probably talk that much about him in I didn't really listen to our review but I don't think we talk that much about knives in in our review at least not about his final moments I guess in the first season
which we could have assumed were his final moments of the show but really didn't because you know he's the main villain there was a way for him to to come back obviously
but yeah the best villains in my opinion I don't know how you think about this are the ones who can you can empathize with and whose goals are relatable
and I think nice very much falls into that category would you agree I guess to a certain degree because yeah he's out here trying to do this thing but at what cost
exactly that's always like the you know the balance thing where it's like how you know you live long enough to become you live live long after you see the hero become the villain of whatever dark night speech always applicable
but I feel like yeah of course and knives is the villain and the way he's going about it is wrong but I still feel like in already in stampede but even more so in star gaze
what he is doing comes from a place where you see oh okay no I get why he's doing this and I might not like the way he's doing it but I you know
I get I get the idea I understand why and I can't necessarily hate him for that I hate certain aspects of it like the genocide
but yeah and also you know I guess on a personal perspective he's also and I'll get to that he's also one of these characters who is pretending to do everything for the well being of other people
and with everything he says and does it's kind of like a bit it's kind of a trace that statement in a way because he's ignoring the feelings of the people around him
and he's like putting himself and his view on things above theirs which is of course going against there what they actually want and so he's not doing it for them he's doing it for himself
so yeah but the initial spark for what he did and which we already learned in stampede was of course contrary to vash his inability to have faith in humanity to not repeat the sense of the past
you know the trigger for that which we learn about more this season is when he and vash learn about the fate of apparently their sister their twin sister or I don't know not really they I guess she came before them obviously
but her name was Tesla and she died before they came into being and met a very gruesome face so to discover her they discover her dismembered my body she's basically just a brain in the jar now
and yeah that fucks knife up thoroughly understandably so yes and there's a really fucked up detail to that that we learn at the tail end of this season of stargaze
that we contextualize a re-contactualizes one key relationship in this show and I get to that but yeah mixed into nice motivation is of course fear for himself or own well being but also for the well being of his brother
and also of course revenge for Tesla and so on and you know well being of the plans although again he kind of betrays that in this season and let's not kid ourselves both the humans in stampede slash stargaze
like proofed him kinda right mostly and humanity in real life is proving him right every god damn day like if you look outside and in the news and on the internet humanity sucks ass like if you know if you were looking from a certain perspective
you don't have to hard wrenching human stories you know that of our main characters and everything you might think you go do it knives like we had our chance multiple times we fucked it up big time let the plants inherit the planet they certainly certainly can't do worse now where his motivation turns from somewhat altruistic to selfish is how he instrument instrumentalizes
and you know all the people around him really against their will for at least some of them against their will for his own goals which are the opposite of what we're at the ones which I previously mentioned like in stampede we have the brain washing sequence of knives where he tries to take over
vash and he does state that he's doing it for his brother and maybe actually believes that and you know I also think I think his happiness to have his brother forced back to his side makes him like that makes him genuinely happy like vash being at a site again because I think he was very alone
he must have felt incredibly alone most of the time after the crash without vash around because vash ran away after you found out that knives were so responsible for the big fall.
and even more so because vash was able to connect to certain people during his long life which knives refuse to do because he despises and fears humanity again all of what he is doing is understandable and to a point maybe even relatable but he manipulating and abusing vash is where he falls because he is doing it for his own gain even though he pretends he is doing it for vash and the other plan so he can fulfill his mission
without risking giving into his own doubts that he most certainly has like there are moments within stampede at least where he is not feel like as single minded but there are some moments in their way can feel like he is especially when that when vash talks to him you get feelings the feeling that he is like still not entirely convinced of his own mission
but he is like forcing himself into it again and again because that is the way he chose and he has to do it and if he doesn't do it like they will pass the 150 years were for nothing and him being without his brother were for nothing and he alone all the time and not connecting to humanity and whatever and he can't have that like he can't let that idea gain traction in his head because that would drive him even more insane that he already is
so I think he is a great villain I think he is and we get back to him later when we talk about the end of star yes but I thought already in stampede watching it first of all when he appears the first time like I recently talked to you about this when I started the wee watch
it is just fantastic like he is so threatening he is like a fucking scary monster he is so much more imposing and has a lot more presence than the original adaptation because when does he show up in the original like in the last 2-3 episodes and that is all we really see of him
we are constantly building him up and seeing all of the stuff that he is trying to do and how increasingly bad it is for himself and everyone around him honestly
I don't even know it was 2-3 episodes I think the real actual episode actually featuring him and him talking a lot was only the last episode and even then it was like okay dark member of that we get it but we didn't really get that much inside into his inner workings and his character
and that was like absolutely to his detriment and also kind of to the detriment of the original show is like okay we build up to this giant confrontation with the best brother and then it is like it is more like a smaller side and like the small book and not really that well thought out I feel like there was much more friction between vash and for example legato in the original show
and we will get to legato but yeah in general super enjoyable just to have him be like the menace in the background and even though like he kind of gets destroyed at the end of the first season we knew he would be coming back and he does but more quickly then I expect it because at the beginning of stargaze we kind of see him floating in a bad basically again
being only a brain really at that point and get in reconstructed through plants like sacrificing like crafting the power or the the skin or the flash tissue whatever of the plants on his brain and make you use you body some weird shit like that
but yeah that happens much quicker and we get cool shit after that but yeah
I another moment I really liked about stampede was where vash regained his consciousness in the final confrontation and to symbolize him coming into his own he got the haircut from the original show at that point or from the mind
yeah it was really nice because he had a really different cut before and then it was like I do that again in stargaze to an extent but I think it was super effective in stampede because it was such a pivotal moment and then oh there's the vash we know
and it was really nice doesn't get his epic I don't know Rob Liefeld inspired code God no no not Rob Liefeld no no then it would like it looked like as no who is using like a lot of
buckles and stuff like that on their clothing was the only name that screams mine when you say that is no more yes no more as the other one I was thinking about but I feel like is
those two like one of those two designed vash old code and his new one no
contraption buckles and buckles everywhere so but his his his his his new code feels a lot more functional especially with the hood and everything so
yeah but it still looks good not as iconic as the old one but cigarette and
yeah so that is kind of how I mean how stampede ended as vash beats knives in a big duel in the sky and tries to unleash the power knives harness harness to overtake
the no man's land the planet there on into space but that doesn't quite work out it backfires a bit because at the cost of his own life or so it would seem at that moment knives kind of blocks it and redirects
a dash back to earth so the whole city gets destroyed that they had their heart for a knife that his headquarters in July and that is the fallout from that season because everyone is like okay
trash does to repeat destroyed that city and technically his bounty got raised and he's disappeared since and Merrill is now on her own after Roberto de de Niro got got killed in the previous season she is now the head reporter I guess
and it's still searching for where to tell the real story and she has her trusty companion milley now who was in the first season and who everyone missed yeah yeah she's in this
Merrill and milley don't have that much to do in the season I feel like they're definitely more than in the old show that's for certain
but it's like I and okay it's it's a short like short show it's like 12 episodes and I get it we had to focus on that we had to focus on knives we had to focus on wolfwood
and his relationship to his brother quote unquote to make it resonate to the problem accuracy between version knives and so on and all of that makes sense and I get it
but to have our two main female characters kind of sidelines and get almost no character development whatsoever is a bit overpower I mean I don't know if there is any in the manga really
aside from going them going after vash all the time but there were like these small moments in stampede where I felt like oh they're gonna do a bit more with
Merrill this time around they're gonna have her and vash having a more complicated relationship maybe and terror having more of an influence on him maybe
then she did the old show whatever her having more of an integral part into how things develop in the end and they don't give me wrong they're part of the action a bit
especially and you know have some influence especially when it comes to one of the side villains
but not that big and they do a very interesting thing with with millie at the end was like oh okay is she and she's not
that was that was a bit of a weird red herring like a fake out is like oh okay that that would have been actually super interesting and neat but also who knows if they would actually have done more with that beyond it
and so they did she's not a worm everyone she's a worm wrangler she or someone in her family was as she talks about her sisters or something I think yes I mean we see her family at the very end like in one of the very final scenes like she's
there's my family there's my dad my mom and my sister whatever and you see like the whole bunch of the millie family I was like oh she didn't make it up
and you see you see she would have no reason to make it up yeah but it just you know she fed a bit more like a mystery in this and it was like okay
and you see Merritt's family too she has a butler from some reason must be nice
I didn't know she was loaded did they mention that before it was pretty fun pretty funny just that the show just dropping that on us and it's like oh by the way here she is rich okay I mean considering the
quantity of guns she carried on here in the original I guess it would stand to reason that she has some amount of money yeah apparently
but yeah but I'm glad they're here they are at least part of some of the action scenes like a motorcycle or whatever it is a pivotal one in the
in a final stretch of episodes and they have like I said in rather important scene with what was her name Ellen Dira
that's her name right believe so yeah one of that of a knife gang who I don't even know who she is like is she also a plant or just an orphan or I forgot who
who how she actually came into his group I know what the rest of them but for her given how much screen time she gets
I didn't really know where she came from when she was introduced in stampede I apparently didn't pay enough attention I was like okay wait where
and she looks a bit similar to Zazzy the world girl in certain parts anyway yeah because I guess she said she's not technically one of the
young hoe guns but yeah but also I don't know she's very devoted to to knives that's for certain but I don't know how she actually came into the groups hint into his
group and I forgot to look it up but yeah so we are now in stargay's territory of course got to say John not a fan of the new op
yeah the first one is a bit stronger yeah absolutely it's way too upbeat it's way too generic anime op like it feels very like okay just I don't feel like this conveys what this show is so
yeah because the first one is so mellowed out and you know a little more
what's a good word to describe it just effect it's a little more down because this is a little more serious compared to the original show like we
still have some brief moments of levity but this is like nah this is serious especially like at the very beginning when Vat just
still in a funk which he is he gets rescued by a guy named hopper who I think was part of the gang who guns in the original
but he's not in this he's just someone who whose girlfriends slash wife slash someone he saved and who meant a lot to him got killed in
when vash or knives destroyed you lie but hopper thinks it was vash so he rescued him to fight him I guess and kill him but also maybe let him live so he can live and suffer
but yeah so the beginning of stargay is pretty dark and then you have this jarring contrast of an op and also later in the in the season when things get very serious again it also
feels a bit misplaced the ed although I like it more also in certain parts I remember there was the second to last or
one of the later episodes there was definitely a weird thing where something very dramatic happens at the end of the
episode and then a very upbeat opening but I mean that happens in anime you cannot match have like the perfect op
or ed or op for every episode but just in general style you should maybe try to get there I mean the king of
inappropriate eds will always be happy people from bleach that's unmatched because that was so many moments that were like so
fucked up and then it ended on happy people and it was like what the fuck are you doing
you just gotta pick your so fucking me happy yes yes when when some so person got just gotten murdered
it was funny don't get me wrong but the thought process behind that eludes me
but yeah anyway so like I said vash got saved from hopper she seems to be in an almost
cathartanic state he doesn't seem to remember things and so on and then a new character Jessica from ship three who is
which got attacked by legato studious so she gets sent to find vash and she didn't appear in stampede I think
but it gets kind of like redcaunt into the story in stargaze was like hey we met before I met vash
before and also she apparently has a crush on vash I guess and you know things like that
it's all weird considering how young she appears to be I mean it's innocent absolutely because vash also doesn't like
recipient yeah I'm glad he's just sort of like okay kid sure yes exactly he's like okay this kid is just okay all right I
it's fine he's treating her the absolutely correct way it's like yeah it's not over indulging her or
anything but like she cooks him a meal and is super happy watches him eat and so on the compliments or
and stuff like that but doesn't entertain her every whim and so yeah but she's here and she's on
the search for him and this finds him and hopper then then basically hopper somewhat not seriously
threatens her and to make vash slash erics who he is at that moment going by that's his name that he's
using which I think also happened in the old show I think the destruction of july also happens at
that midpoint there I don't know some city got destroyed and vash blames himself for that and I
think that's also the moment where he takes on that persona I don't know who rescues him there if
it was also hopper I don't think so I think it was someone else I think they joined these two characters
and this as far as I recall hopper it was very much a throwaway character in the original so
I don't remember the details of that from the old show no I think it was just some other character who
then had you know got the thing that hopper got in this with the reasoning of the person who died
or whatever in the in the attack in the destruction of july but yeah yeah it of course vash wins that fight
and also that it's what like the Jessica being being threatened is what brings him back into action
so this kind of plan of hopper it worked I guess and he just is happy to die knowing that vash
knowing that vash will live and suffer to a tone for his deeds which were really his deeds
it was fucking knives so but yeah well when you've got a bounty that size on your head the truth
changes a little bit yeah exactly but yeah then you know we have basically all the characters converging
at the again Marilyn milley appear in the scene and also Nicholas who gets hit again by Merrill with
her car which you know it happens I was a bit I'm sorry just you so casually saying oh it happens yes
yes sure yes it is so and to this character absolutely constantly apparently but yeah in the
beginning and we had when we had the traditional the mission mixed in and more it was more dialogue
focused in the beginning and the fight against hopper was okay but it was not super like impressive I
was a bit worried that the animation quality would be a bit downgraded maybe because they had less time
or ever from the first season to the second those worries were completely eradicated when when
vash battles against Leonov the puppet master in in ship three which looked dope as hell like this
multi brawl of vash against all these puppets that gets sick on him and it was really cool and
yeah I was like oh okay we're so back and that continues until the end of the season it only gets
crazier and crazier and so at this point and this is where we come in when I say that what knives does
kind of betrays what he says and his stated motivation a bit because the doctor I forgot his name
who was already with us in in stepied revives knives like I said
with by sacrificing the plants to to yeah we have two revive knives basically using their energy
using their bodies to reconstruct a knife's body and at this point I was like oh this might backfire
because knives mission statement in the first season in stepied was hey I'm doing this to save
the plants you know for people who didn't paid didn't didn't listen to our review of the first season
or didn't watch sampeed for some reason the plants are these artificial beings vash and nice are
technically the same though they are a different breed there are independence and they are more human
like while the other plants look a lot more alien and they are kept in jars and they are basically
living energy resources they are basically only alive to generate enemy energy for humans
and are basically just tools here to to live and die to sustain human beings which is already
preemptive fucked up but then all the stuff with Tesla happens and everything and that sends
knives over the edge so over the edge so his mission statement was hey I'm gonna save us
I'm gonna save the plants I'm not gonna let what happened to our sister happen to our
race quote unquote ever again so that's why he calls the big fall of all the of all the refugee
of all the exploring ships and that's how everyone all the humans and vash and knives and the plants
landed on nomen's land the planet there on and I mean there is also which we didn't mention or I
didn't mention yet there's like this ticking timer I guess also in this season because at the end
of the previous one we learned oh they actually were able to establish contact with with earth and
now earth is sending over a new fleet of exports to get the refugees from and I guess they left
over plants from from nomen's land to get all the seeds that's what the the fleet was called to
get them and go further into the universe with them save them from this planet where everyone is
kind of like close to dying I guess because the limit of resources the limited resources
so that is in the background that is progressing and so we already know okay if knives is back
alive when those ships arrive those ships will not have a good time probably in the rescuer mission
will not be good so that's the ticking timers like can they stop knives before that happens
before the new fleet arrives here and what will the fleet do anyway like when they find out that
independence are here going back to knives and his motivation so the doctor uses
the plans to reconstruct knives and at that moment I thought hey this might backfire because knife
says he's doing all of this because of the plans so he's gonna be angry at the doctor when he finds
out that he used the plans to reconstruct him he's probably gonna kill him it doesn't really happen
like yeah I mean I don't know maybe now you just stop processes there I'm saving the plants by
becoming one with the infrastructure yeah something he's like yeah he's he's loop holding the ship like
to the max I think yeah I had the same feeling I was like dude when knives is back to 100%
y'all are probably dead no yeah it's like no not not even not only that John not only that it could have
been like okay I see why you did this I don't approve of this but you know now I'm back and I can
fulfill my mission and okay I will I will ignore that you did this no in the final stretch of the
episodes he's like consuming more and more plants himself to power himself up even further to do what
he's got what he intends to do and fulfill his plans and I'm like my dude you are full of shit
a walking contradiction yes that's what I meant when I said he like what he does is not really is not
really in in sync with the what his mission statement is and so this this is what drives him
further into the villain category where it's like hey if you stuck to your ideals if you stuck to
your motivation if you said like I'm doing this to save the plants no matter the cost this is I don't
want any of more of them to sacrifice to be sacrificed and now I'm sacrificing them myself because I
think my mission that one I chose without asking them and overriding everyone else's wishes is more
important than actually keeping them alive and that is just ludicrous this well well if it is
in my old friend in congruity yes absolutely so at that point I was like fuck you nice I mean I was
fucked you nice before but then like full force fuck you nice yeah yeah you're just full of shit buddy
so again I get why he is doing this probably deep down and why he can't go back to like why he's
so driven and we see more about the stuff with Tesla and so it's fear like it's mostly the thing
that drives him is fear he's afraid of humans he's afraid of I guess dying to instance he was always
afraid of losing his brother he already lost his brother like he is afraid of admitting to himself
that he did chose the wrong path that what he did like sending down the fleet killing ram and so on
is the was the wrong route to take but he can't accept that anymore because he already did
put so much time into this and so much effort and I mean he probably deep down still has some kind of
you know consciousness like he knows some kind of moral compass which was the initial
trigger for this like of course it's wrong that his sister got killed of course it's wrong that
the plants are getting abused and his moral compass was right rightly adjusted in that moment he just
then went too far and made the wrong decisions of course but he can't accept that because this
will would completely sabotage his mission and would basically say hey the last all the things you
did you you were doing you were the bad guy and he can't accept that because in his eyes he's the good guy
he's the guy with the noble mission he's the guy who is gonna do good for his people so he can't
be the bad guy and if he admitted to himself hey I did something wrong here I killed all these people
on the ships for nothing I doomed all these people who are living on nomenclant now to extinction to
a degree I also probably killed a lot of plants I doomed them to a fate that is worse than they would have
had on the ships and instead of I don't know trying to I don't know before my bond and connections
with humans and trying to convince them that there needs to be a better way than to abuse the plants I
chose this way and I basically made things a hundred times worse and he can't admit that to himself
that would make him the bad guy in his own eyes even even though it's more complicated than that so
he can't go back to it so of course at he's so far over the edge at this point he's he's like no
no I'm gonna kill I'm gonna kill the I'm gonna use the plants because like you said we all belong to
the same people anyway and it's probably it's also there well and I will save all the plants that come
in with the new fleet so it's absolutely worth it like uh yeah he's justifying all this shit to
himself so he doesn't have to admit to himself that he is the bad guy here so yeah again I get all of that
doesn't make what he's doing any better especially at this point when we realized uh what he's doing so
yeah uh but cool yeah I I like that there was a development in his character like it
even though it was a pretty straightforward one into one direction and there was not really any
back and forth uh which I would have hoped to be there I guess in his conversations with Vash and
Vash definitely is the one who can get some reactions out of knives and try to
get him close to reconsider and close to questioning himself but nice always forces himself back into
his old like modus operandi uh and his old state old state of mind so he doesn't have to
um confront his sins uh which he doesn't want to do which I guess is also part of
the whole underlying Christian message of this show um which is not really underlying like it's
not subtext it's text like everyone is throwing around crosses and whatever like Vash is obviously like
I mean Nicholas is quoting scripture uh Vash is obviously a cath kind of catholic faith maybe
inspired or at least Christian faith as uh inspired pacifist and you know all of that is obviously
in there and admitting the sins that you did and trying to um a tone for them is part of that belief
and since knives is not willing to do that he's the bad guy at least when it comes to the religious
perspective on this show or off this show so it makes sense it all gels with each other uh it's very
consistent uh with what uh with the text of the show I guess I didn't really have that
read on it but now you're saying it yeah it makes a lot of sense the creator of the manga
nito is uh they uh is is a Christian I think which is not that common in Japan really yes I think so
well I mean I know I know it wasn't common but I think he converted to Christian faith I'm pretty sure
I wouldn't need to look it up I don't want to give you any idea but I think uh I mean you can do it
on the side while I keep on talking but I think I think he's a Christian this is his
view on the whole thing and the idea of pacifism and the idea of faith uh which is a very central
thing in this show again Vash has faith in humanity knives doesn't uh and they're
they're they're ideals clash with each other that's of course a big part of this and I think
this is nito working you know through his faith and what showing his his view on that
and on Christianity even with the show I'm seeing something here that I guess it's not really
at one point it was written that he grew up a Buddhist yeah and that he may have studied Catholicism
but there was no publicly stated religion of his in like at least in any English language um
interviews yeah but I think this is also something from 2011 that I'm reading here so
yeah I think I think it was never like he never outright confirmed it himself uh but uh I think he
studied it he's very interested in it and I'm pretty sure he's practicing it I read it at some point
but I would have to look it up now unless I'm super wrong feel free to correct me everyone out there
but I'm pretty sure at some it was very very evident that he is not only interested in these stories but
also like from a personal motivation standpoint very much living that kind of life or or
adhering to these kind of ideals I don't know if he what I said before if he'd outside converted to it
but I think he's at least practicing it uh so uh yeah that's in this show uh if nothing
else he's definitely talking about this in this show a lot um uh especially I mean I think it was more
present for for example Nicholas in the old show and it it is kind of here with a story with
this brother in this in the orphanage and so on uh and it's definitely here for that oh the pieces
are there yes absolutely finishing up that excourse mid valley the horn freak uh gets introduced
in this show as well and he wasn't the old show uh yeah I feel like he gets a bit more of an interesting
role in this adoption if I remember correctly in the old one he was again one of those throw wave
villains if like I said if I remember correctly it's been a while since I watched the old show
but in this he's like very much he doesn't want to be here he's being almost openly
antagonistic towards the rest of the gang hogans uh he's very afraid of knives uh we learn why his
band was killed like his his companions were killed by knives because he wanted to make use of
a mid-values power which is like he can use sound waves out of his uh when playing his his weird saxophone
he is in this uh and t and the gang uh the gang hogans attacked ship three uh to abduct vash and i
guess the plants uh both needed to to uh fully reconstruct knives and uh and and fulfill his plans
we get a nice callback of vash deciding to get the haircut from the end of season one to show
his determination and we see a blacken is here uh uh not only his but also nice later we learned
that this is a sign of them using up their power like apparently the power of independence
of independent uh plans is not uh unlimited either and they've used their their super powers
uh like their their ability to reach beyond this ominous gate uh where uh on the other side is where
they i guess their day came from originally or the plans came from or whatever
that's where they can uh reach to and every time they do that to use their powers uh they
you know use up the energy and when their hair becomes entirely black they're might they're much
closer to actually dying or at least getting and getting closer to like let's say limited lifespan
which they're technically before that kind of kind of mortal but when they use up the energy i guess they
are become more normal humans uh then uh you know then they were before so uh that that was pretty
interesting and uh yeah we get a very cool fight between midvaliant wolfwood uh although it's more
of a tense sniper duel of clashing wills rather than action blowout um like wolfwood is trying to
overcome midvaliant spell of fear that he was put under by knives overwhelming power
and he doesn't succeed but he's able to stall him until vash is able to take midvaliant um
and then uh we also i guess get our first big action scene although in that moment not really
of legato who definitely got a bit nerfed in this version uh looks like he can only do telekinesis
and no longer has his psychic manipulation powers but but you know he's certainly less scary and feels
like more of a blowhard pervert that is sipping for knives a bit too much for me to take him seriously
or as seriously as in the old show where he was simply terrifying uh his introduction was on the same
level as the first introduction of knives in this show uh just more psych even more psychological
horrid and sheer force of power uh sheer um sheer show of power and um that yeah as i've said in
the review of the first season the show is its own thing and this interpretation of legato still
works if you watch the old show you've seen in uh my opinion better version of him but it doesn't
invalidate this version though he gets stepped on by elandira which makes him pretty much a joke in my
book he also goes down like a bitch like a dance you know in the final set of episodes there is this
amazing fight to be honest to be to be to be fair there's this amazing fight of him against uh
liveo uh against wolfwood like they go they they have like this multi stage battle of
handicapped battle him against those two guys uh and this weird android creature whatever
nine tails and just different incarnations they fight him uh and they fight each other and he has like
this weird uh chain whip sword thing uh which is which is pretty cool but like um like like that
fight is great but legato is is such a bitch in this like he's he knives appears on the scene and he
like he's worshipping knives knives obviously and he's he's so happy he just wants to be reborn by
knife side or whatever and once knives appears on the scene and legato just it's dares to talk to him
he just cut off like it cuts off legato's head and legato's really happy about this for some reason
it's like finally i get to be reborn and he's he was such a menacing force in the old show he was so
manipulative and so like so god damn evil and scary and he's none of that in his show
and the original seemed a lot more mysterious and brooding and dark and in this week she's just like
oh it's summer oh it's it's like well he's i mean he's still a threat he nearly chokes uh
uh uh uh uh wolf foot out and that's like oh Jesus is he's gonna kill wolf foot oh
and to be fair legato testing verix resolve as a pacifist with Nicholas this time
feels pretty effective because vasha and Nicholas have become really good friends at this point
and i don't even remember who legato threatened in the old show uh it was the same kind of uh
situation where it's like hey either you kill me mr pacifist or your or this person dies and i think
the old show it was just a random kid or so someone else yeah i don't it was Nicholas uh it was wolfward
and it it is much more effective here and you know vasha actually does it i don't even know if he does
in the old show or if uh if uh legato like edges him on a bit like many police is trigger finger a bit
for him to easier pull it um but he definitely vasha does it here himself as far as i recall he pulled
the trigger himself in the original and he's like a really tormented about the whole thing
but you know that's like really close to the end of the series and it doesn't like
I mean, you know happens and buzz. I had it's like three episodes from the end as I recall and it's
like, well in he actually doesn't it's like, she's, I think that's like the one time he actually kills
someone by his own hand and they sort of have that build up to it here and they're like,
I mean, that's happens a lot in this where it's like, oh, you think you know how this will go because
you watch the old show and it's gonna go different way. We'll get to the other big one. But yeah,
it's like he shoots and knives appears and blocks it for whatever reason because he then kills
Legato himself. Maybe because he's angry that Legato actually dare to, I don't know, corrupts
vash himself instead of knives being the one to do this. Maybe he's envious that Legato was able to
drive vash so far. I don't know, might be the reason, but it was interesting. But again,
Legato is not nearly as interesting as he was in the old show. In the old show, he was a real
man as he was really scary and he was the one person who made really a dent in vash conviction,
like really challenging him, challenging him. And he kind of does this here as well, but it doesn't
have as much of an effect as it does in the old show. And it was also the moment where it's like,
oh, this, the old show also needed one more season because that is how the technically second season
of the old show should have ended, like with vash being in a crisis after killing Legato.
Like questioning his own faith and his own morals and whatever. And that doesn't really happen
in the old show and that doesn't happen here because knives interfere. I mean, vash still pulled
to trigger. He's conflicted about that, but it doesn't result in the death of a person, at least not
by his hand. So I guess it doesn't have the same powerful effect as it does in the old show.
It's another stark, it's not as emotionally harrowing and whatever, but it's also understandable
because that's kind of in the, either in the final or in the penultimate episode of the season.
So we don't have time for this apparently, but yeah, that's, that's that's it for Legato. He's not
really important in this season. He's mostly there to be a weird pervert for knives and
getting off on vash resisting his power and just spouting weirdly theatrical monologues and whatever.
So yeah, it didn't like him that much in this. Yeah. Yeah.
Liked him a lot more in the old show, but hey, it's still okay. He works as a muscle, I guess,
to an extent. Again, Andy makes for, for a great fight, like at the tail end of the show. That fight
was really amazing. It was well animated. There was like this cool moment where, where Livia and,
Wolf would surf down a slope on sand while fighting and switching weapons and throwing each other
around and it was just the fucking insanity and I loved it. I thought for that alone, and their
choreography in the fight against Legato was amazing. So hey, I'm glad he was here just for that.
Speaking of Livia, he's a character that was not in the old show. He is in the Dragon Maximum manga.
So he's in a new addition to this. And we already get introduced to him in the first season,
where he attacks Wolfwood and Vash on a ship. And has like the, the, the, the,
Livia, the double thing or whatever. He is the same gun technically, although with a slightly
different equipment than that Wolfwood has this big old cross, one side, shoots machine, gun
bullets, the other side for Wolfwood, I think shoots a laser, plasma cannon, whatever. And for,
for Livia, he shoots, I think, flame thrors. And yeah, they apparently grew up in the same orphanage,
were connected by the hip from a certain moment on. At least Livia was real like the little brother
character to Wolfwood. Wolfwood always looking out for him and when Wolfwood went with the people
who, you know, were working for the doctor, augmenting his powers and whatever.
Which made him kind of, I guess, invulnerable when he sipping that weird,
that weird liquid stuff, health potion that also makes you age faster though.
All these powers and everything that he can use, he got there and Livia followed him and
apparently also got experiment experimented on. But wasn't nearly as mentally stable as
Nicholas. Because Nicholas also had his faith, I guess, which against feats into one of the subjects
of the show. Livia didn't really have that once he wasn't with his big brother anymore. So he
completely succumbed to that and also created a second personality. Last low, the tri-punisher of death.
Boy, what a name. What a name. I guess it wasn't basic. We're going from the double
fang to the tri-punisher. Yes, which also really weird thing like with the naming in the show,
like Punisher. Like I thought Punisher was the code name for Wolfwood in this, which makes sense
with Naito's preference for American comics and so on. But at some point people are also calling
the gun the Punisher and calling Wolfwood the undertaker. So what is it? Like please decide. It was a
bit inconsistent there. But yeah, he also has his Punisher guns and his two of them and then he later
appears. That's how he appears in the first season gets ostensibly killed. But hey, nobody stays dead
in this show. So he returns in Stargaze and now has his second personality is where big personality is
at the forefront. He has a crazy haircut and then has three arms and fights Wolfwood. I don't know
if Vesha is even in that fight, I think so. At least in the beginning one. Yeah, partially.
Yes, but hey, Wolfwood manages to get through to live you live you's original consciousness,
this original character and convince him that it doesn't need to be a friend anymore and that he's
not alone anymore and live you is able to basically get rid of last low because he's like,
hey, I don't need you anymore really. I'm fine. You can rest now. I'm sorry. I put all that shit on you,
like all the emotions, all the sadness, all the loneliness. I put all of that on you. I created you
so I could cope with with feeling that. I don't need this anymore because I got my brother back.
I'm better now and so you can leave. So yeah, that works. It's at the fight, Wolfwood versus
last low. The first one is incredible. Yeah. That's cool and then leave you joints again.
Cutts the hair off only has two arms again that he uses, but he then and Wolfwood have this amazing
fight against nine lives and legato, which is a side to behold. Also, we have a great gag where Vesha is
trying to go for a ship three, go there with a motorcycle. Absolutely. He doesn't know how to ride a
motorcycle and then leave you a take over and I'm going to do it and everybody's like, oh, great.
And then he does the same thing. That was such a good guy. He almost dies too. That was great.
But he eventually arrives after taking a lot of wrong turns, which is also very fun in itself.
So he's doing some good worthwhile contributions. He's in general a worthwhile contribution to this show.
Like he he was a very interesting character to have in the first season and to get more of Wolfwood's
backstory and then even more so in this season. Like his interactions with Nicolas are some of the most
interesting and potent ones in this show from a character development standpoint. And I really like
their dynamic and their backstory. And like I said, I think it mirrors the relationship between
Vesha and knives and comes to a much more healthy and then I mean, I guess there is some redemption
there for for nice at the end of this show as well, maybe unearned. But it's I felt like the whole
thing between Wolfwood and Lvivio was very nice, like considering how much shit they went through.
And then by the end that they actually that he got that Nicholas got him back and that
that Lvivio got Nicholas back and their this team and then they're fighting together against
the bad guys. That was just awesome. It felt really good. I was really happy for them. I was like, yeah.
The boys are back in town, I guess. So it was really nice. I like Lvivio a lot and his personality
his last personality was also very fun because Lesoth also a big old perfect just like Legato,
but in a different way in a more fun way, I feel like and not just a pathetic way. And yeah, so
yeah, very cool, very cool. Like this edition through the show and I like that he got even more
featured even more in the second season. Did you think that as well? Yeah, I really like that.
They serve up their relationship full circle and that you know, become one of the one of the guys.
One of the dudes. Yeah, and then I kind of already at the end there where it's like
we have knives absorbing all the plants, like we said, full of shit. And then becoming this weird
dragon Phoenix creature going into space, all the fleet has arrived at this point. He's trying to
drag all of them down to the planet and you know, to kill the humans to save the plants, whatever.
And vash interferes. And I found it to be very interesting that the fleet immediately
attacks knives, but not necessarily because he is attacking them. Like one of them says like,
oh, independence survived. This is disgusting. And it's like, wait, whoa, okay. I guess
we still have a long way to go. There didn't happen on earth also didn't advance at 150 years.
It comes to that treatments of plants and independence. Uh, so again,
it does knives have have a point here racism, speciesism, it lives on. Yes. Yeah. Uh, so it
and they don't really resolve that by the end. No. Like Merrill has this Merrill or Millie have
the throwaway line. One of them where it's like, hey, uh, we'll just we'll still try to find a way.
I think it's Merrill in her reports to, uh, to treat little plants better. But also we don't know
if this will ever happen. We'll just fuck off into space now. Bye. Yeah. It's like, okay. I,
I don't know if I'm happy with this. Uh, I guess it's kind of like it feels more wonderfully
non-committal. Yes. Very non-committal. Also very in line with reality. We're like, humanity
definitely is not there. And I don't know if it will ever get there. So I guess in that sense,
it works. But also for this show, I wanted to have a more idealistic ending. We're like,
hey, yeah, we figured it out. Uh, or we really trying to figure it out. It doesn't feel like they're
really trying like we, by the end of this when all things are said and done, which is basically
knives, uh, sacrificing himself, uh, to save Vash because Vash already stopped him from taking down
the, um, the ships and then not much power is left. And, uh, the, the, the gate is about to consume
Vash and to stop that from happening. Knives of sacrificing himself. So Vash can survive. Whatever. Uh,
but, you know, man, what I don't feel like knives sacrifice is really all that earned. It does,
they're trying to make them feel like a hero in this final moment. And I'm just sitting there like
brother, look at all it. What you've done. Yes. I mean, that's why he has to die, right? It's,
it's a cheap, cheap way of having your cake and eat it too, right? Where it's like, hey, he's
the villain, but he did a good thing by the end. And, uh, because he's a villain, he dies, but he does
a nice thing. So he doesn't, uh, he doesn't get to, uh, die horribly, I guess. I'm kind of, I'm kind of
over that in anime and manga. It's like, there's no, oh, where, where are the consequences for your
actions? Oh, I guess I'll die and become a hero in the final moment. Oh, fuck you, though. And I
mean, he doesn't necessarily become a hero for everyone else. He just comes, becomes a hero for
Vash. And to be fair, considering his beginning motivation, he still loved his brother. Uh,
I think that is the truth. I think he, here's a lot of, uh, uh, uh, his, the stuff that went bad for him
is because he was afraid, not only for his own well-being, but also for his brother, for his brothers.
And it makes sense that he would sacrifice himself at least after he realized that his plans have
completely fallen down to make sure that at least his brother is saved. I, by that, I think, okay,
I get why he would do that at this point. That doesn't justify his actions. That doesn't
he redeem him in any way possible. Like, but I at least understand, like, I feel like it's nice that he
did that for Vash and it's good that he did that for Vash. And I don't even think he cares to be
redeemed. Like that's not his point, like he's only doing this particular thing to save Vash. And
that I'm okay with. I don't know if the show is trying to make it look like, okay, now he's completely
deemed in the face of like everything he did, maybe, and if that's how it is, that is definitely
read. And if that's what the show is trying to do, I'm on the same page with you, John. I think
that's bullshit. Because that's definitely not earned. But at least when it comes to his relationship
to Vash and him doing, doing what he did, at least partially for his brother, even though he absolutely
went about the wrong way. He didn't consider his brother's feelings on the whole thing.
He was completely never minded. I think it's still okay for me to accept that he got to do
at least this small little thing for his brother. Although that's also not what Vash wanted.
Again, like he didn't, he wanted to go together with his brother. He was okay with dying himself
together with his brother. And again, nice went against his feeling because it's like, hey, okay,
you at least have a future on this planet. I don't. So I think ultimately there's was the right
decision by knives because that is true. Like as we see in the find like in the apologue,
Vash has a life here. He has friends. He can have a happy life now if he wants to. So that a life
that he's earned. So I feel like that there is merit to knives sacrifice, even not to redeem him,
but just to save Vash. And even like going back to knives motivation and everything, I feel like
his downfall is that he does not understand the feelings of everyone around him. Not a
sentiment like the Gangho Gangs, like you we see it with Ellen Dira, right? He is with him because
she's devoted to him because he believes in what he believes in. But he doesn't care about her.
He doesn't care about legato, even though he's that guy is completely devoted to him
to ludicrous degree. And everyone, the doctor does things because he is also he's trying to make
up for past sins because he's one of the people who did the shit to Tesla. Like which we get the
full horrible truth. What happened to Tesla in the final episode or the one before that I think.
When when knives again takes over Vash's body or puts Vash's consciousness into his own body.
And we learned that Tesla was determined like to die at some point like because she was I guess not
fully completed version of the independence yet and her power would be running out much quicker.
And then a tribunal of the people, the humans on the ship decided hey we can either
live her out the rest of her remaining days in peace or we can
live a sector to to learn more for the future. And they decided to do that and nobody like nobody
protested, not even rem. And that was the thing I was talking about the beginning. That was really
interesting that they re-contextualizes that relationship because Ram was the same figure from the very
beginning of the show. And she was like portrayed like that. She was like hey she was there for the twins
in flashbacks. It looked like she was there for Tesla. She was this mother figure. And like Vash was
completely like enamored with her. Like she was for all the tends and purposes. His mom. I feel like
knives even before he learns the truth has a much more like cold has a much colder relationship to her.
He is not as infatuated with her. Vash definitely is because he's much in general much more of an
I don't know emotional character or is able to connect better emotionally to humans.
knives can't do that really. And we learned that she did not object for whatever reason
to this shit being done to her proxy daughter I guess. And that is or when we see these we see these
flashbacks that kind of put Tesla into moments that we see Ram having with Vash and
and knives before. So we don't know how much is that is knives memory how much of that is
Vash memory of that is how much of that is really Tesla's memories. We don't really know if Ram had
the same kind of relation with Tesla that she does have with the twins. So maybe she didn't even have
that with Tesla and her relationship with knives and Vash is part of her making up for her not
objecting to Tesla being a vivisective being killed in this horrible horrible way or not even killed
partially kept alive to be studied which is the real horror about this. And her then even though
Ram knowing that this is wrong but her not having the courage to speak up against the other crew
members. And so I'm not quite sure what this is. Again I like that this makes the relationship between
Vash and Ram more complicated and her remaining on the ship more understandable because I think Vash
stays as much as like maybe her thing on ship was her way of atoning for her presence but also maybe
having the relationship she does with Vash and knives is also part of the atonement already
because maybe she didn't have that kind of relationship with Tesla even though she should have
and maybe the flashbacks are just you know what the flashbacks we see are not really
with her and Tesla but just you know echoes of what she had with Vash and nice because we already
see that so you know could both could be true maybe not maybe nothing of it but again I like that
they didn't keep her this same figure and make it more complicated and there's not this this easy
view on this character and I feel the same thing about knives I feel like as clear cut as his
bullshit is at the end of this and has never minded as he is and his mission driven as he is losing
side of what he actually is supposed to do what it means to do the best for his brother what it means
to do the best for the plans losing all of that out of all of that gets out of focus and he's just
focusing on his very simple mission statement I'm gonna kill the humans and I'm trying to save as many
plans as possible but to do that I also have to kill some of that you know as much of that it is in
there and makes him a clear cut villain to a degree there still these moments in there that I liked
where it's like okay I think he does actually care for his brother and he is actually doing this because
he's afraid himself because he was an afraid kid when he realized what the people on on the
citizenship did to his sister and of course he would be afraid for his own future he of course he
would as a child even though you're in advance the superior child I guess you would be afraid what
could happen to you in the future all of that is very understandable the problem is he recontextualizes
nothing of that he revisits nothing of that when he is an adult he never does any kind of at least we
don't see it any kind of introspection so but it's still interesting that he's a bit more of a gray
character and especially that rem is that as well the doctor of course to you know he he was the main
person we see in the flashback who made the decision we say so who even brought up the possibility
of keeping Tesla alive in a vivisected state and of course him realizing at some point what he has
done and having big regrets about it and now being like okay I'll do my I suck humanity sucks and I
need to do better so I'm gonna do what nice wants to do and save the plans because I I did so much
damage to them and cost so much pain and this is my way to attaining for that also not the best choice
there were other ways but I at least understand his character and again knives not understanding
the feelings of all these people around him is I think his downfall he first of all he doesn't
understand verse and not the other plans because it's very evident by the end I mean with
the bash even in the beginning he doesn't want what is what his brother wants he tells him that but
nice doesn't listen but even more so with the plans and probably Tesla as well we just see like
he's trying to to use to to revive the plans with his power at the end and it doesn't work
and it feels like it's partially not working because the plans don't want it
and they don't want this kind of I feel like responsibility and also Tesla at the end when we see her
saying goodbye to Vash in a moment and when we see her when he dives into her when he's part of
knives mind and of her mind because knives put a fucking part of her into his heart into his chest
which is super fucked up you see her eye in his heart I think at some point when his chest is open
which is ridiculous but when he dives into her mind and when she says goodbye to him when all the
plans fly into space or their consciousness anyway she's just happy that she is free
like she didn't want to be part of this revenge mission this liberation mission of knives she just
wanted to get out of that fucking tube and wanted to die and wanted her soul to be released
and he didn't grant her that he used her to further his own like to accomplish his mission
and that's again fucked up he does not what he is doing like he's not listening to what the people
he is ostensibly or he states what he's doing his what he's doing for he doesn't listen to what they
actually want and that pushes him to him more into villain territory than they could have done if he
you know turned around and actually listened to these characters but he's so driven and single minded
that that never comes up and it was a bit of a bummer I mean I like as clear cut villain but I also
would have liked to have more moments of introspection where he questions his own ideals and everything and
then for another reason still decides to go further but you know he mostly does that because he can't
accept his own sins and can't doesn't want to entone for them which is okay it's a good motivation don't
get me wrong and I like that that is in there but I would have liked to have more of that and it's just
he's because he becomes such a despicable asshole by the end that I get your point of you not wanting
to accept any kind of effort on the side of the show of redeeming him which I totally get it John
I mean there's there is all of that in like this is kind of mirroring some true to life stuff but
no one around him wants to say no to him until they start to realize the consequences of his actions
and it takes them a real long time to come around and say hey maybe we shouldn't have done this so
blindly and by that point like fuck it it's too late yes absolutely I mean that's that's a tragedy of
it of course and some people don't even do that legato but you know Ellen Deira does it even more so
though because she realizes that he doesn't care about her I guess the doctor does it in in in
how's it I mean he doesn't really do it but he at least admits that it might not be the best way
but he also doesn't see any other way yeah me doctor Conrad is he's interesting because he
he definitely knows what's going on is like maybe this isn't the right way but he he doesn't have
like a solution for any of this so he's just sort of like doing what he can to make up for his
own mistakes and I think that's interesting for him at least he doesn't a vision for a really
effusion for a toning for his past sins and he feels like knives what what knife is doing is one
way to achieve that which is a bit lazy like maybe do a bit of more soul searching and see how you can
really do what you can really do to maybe save humanity and the plans at the same time you seem
to be a pretty smart guy so there's probably a better way to do this and maybe he did and we just
don't get the luxury of actually seeing that like in flashbacks and so on maybe he did I mean I think
he mentioned it at some point that he tried for the past 150 years or whatever to to find a way to do
some to to to save plans and humans but I'm not sure if he actually did because it feels like he is
he's just subscribed to knives a ways of doing thing and things and that's that and a lot of people
are just afraid of knives right midwelly for example which is also understandable like he he he
uses fear and devotion in in equal ways among his followers so I guess that fits but yeah it's a
bummer that he has no one among his flock who really questions him in an effective manner or can't
because let's be honest he is so powerful and if you wanted to he could kill all of them so I get it
they should just do it like Nicholas you know all of them at some point they should have realized
and be like oh okay this is fuck this is not good this is not gonna end a good way we're just gonna
leave because that's what that's what wolfwood does like he is part of that crew for a while he is a
gangho gun his mission technically is to spy on vash and then bring him back at some point and they
do a red hair like a fake out here where it's like oh I did this this is my mission but you know
immediately no no he's just here to keep an eye on things and at the right moment to spring
vash from jail that's that's what he's doing of obviously but you know that he did that like he
basically left and fought on the side of the good guys you know still pretending that he's doing it
to stay close to their side so he could bring them to to nice if mission requires it at some point
but still you know that was his way of doing that and it probably would have been the best thing
for the other characters too just leaving and you know by the end all of the a lot of them I mean most of
them survive leave you survives a little of a survives who else is there mid Valley doctor dr.
dr. chronic dice I mean belly survive me valley got the good ending because in the oh man in the
original uh vash disables his saxophone just dents it the heck up and mid valley takes his own life
oh okay so yeah he can he got the good the unquestionably very good ending this time around
and he's not the only one because Nicholas survives which he doesn't in the old show that's true
he he dies there and it is even more herring there because he is a romantic relationship with
millie in the old show and he one of the episode where he dies ends just on her sobbing over his
his dead body technique damage I don't think we see her in the same frame with this
is that body but you we see her in her room just crying her eyes out I think if I remember correctly
so that doesn't happen in the neither of that happens in the uh in this version both because
Nicholas doesn't die and also because he doesn't have that relationship kind of relationship to
millie in this so it's a bit of a like trade off I think because I like that they become like a
couple in the old show even though they don't put that much focus on that really it's just more of
like a small hints at the side and him you know being in her room at some point I think having also
his head in her lap and so on you can get okay there's there's a thing there none of this happens
in this but also you know that means there is no real emotional I mean there is an emotional like
resonance there when he survives because his brother is there and vassus there and everyone is happy
that he's that he survived even though they make it a bit of a joke right they they make it look like
he is dying again and then he's like I just want to sleep leave me alone he's like could you guys
keep it down a little bit I was like oh my god of course yes and and that's nice but also because
he doesn't have that relationship to millie she is not the one who is like overjoyed that he survived
right so it's a bit of a trade off like I said that that didn't happen here and also
you know that means she maybe if they put that more into focus in the season she might have even
gotten a bit more screen time which didn't I mean she got screen time that's nice but like I said in
the beginning her and maro I would have liked to see more of them so there is not that much interaction
of them like meaningful interaction of them with the other characters mostly just hey
we need to do this and maybe help in that way delivering messages or finding people
but it's not really like they they they they I mean in the in the pre-instampied her maro's
influence is more important like I said because she's calling out to vassian getting him out of the
hypnosis um whatever mind manipulation because he also interprets her voice as a rems voice
and I don't think anything of that caliber is in sargay's so yeah again I would have like to have
these characters have a more meaningful role in this um so yeah but they're part of the action
partially and it's fun and it's nice but yeah this is how we end to show kind of like uh again knives
sacrifices himself dies, their survives has completely black hair now
so I guess he's now just mortal and a mortal somewhat human being and most of the people
fuck off into space to search for other planets and uh vass2 apparently everyone I think only a
couple of people from ship three stay behind maybe to um uh to to to attend to the the flora that is
now on on the planet I mean whatever I don't even know how it happens the the some whatever explosion
happened here uh cost the the flora to grow uh it like terra formed the planet a bit a bit I don't
even remember how that happens I think it's just the energy that was released from the plants right?
yeah it's when I guess when as far as our colon knives is dying and he's falling back to the planet
and that introduced a little bit of water and flora so that will eventually uh cover the entire
planet but that will take time yes exactly so they need someone there because it's a very harsh
environment to make sure that that happens but it will take several hundred years so at least
and uh yeah so the rest of the people fuck off into space so yeah uh pretty nice ending like uh
for like a twenty two uh four episode run uh pretty a lot of story a lot of character development
especially when it comes to vass and knives and wolfwood and i guess to an extent liveo and some of
the side characters at least nice and rubber to the first season but uh not nice and better
marial and rubber to the first season not as much uh for marial in the second season same for milley
some of the villains uh get some interesting bits like mid-villy a lot more interesting than in the old show
um and yeah uh legato not so much like i said but uh i would say the positives definitely outweigh
the negatives and this and let's not forget the amazing visuals,
protection values in general the soundtrack from beginning to end is fucking incredible and
got me really emotional at certain moments and uh yeah the show just looks so goddamn good
like orange just when they're firing on all cylinders cylinders it's a side to behold uh they are unmatched
when it comes to cg anime which is not saying a lot because that bar is very low but
they they have raced it so much so uh i wonder what will happen uh and what what what they will do
in the future because i don't think we will get another season of this i haven't read the dragon
maximum manga or whatever i don't know if there's more story to tell here but i doubt it because this
now in contrary to how the first season ended feels like a definitive end for these characters
and uh of course they could go to another planet and have new adventures there that could happen
of course i don't think we will get that uh would be surprised and that's totally okay
it's this is a very nice um two season of two seasons of anime and uh with with the cool story
and characters and some really good action and i like that and i wonder i didn't look at fan uh
impressions of this like people who like the old show do they like the new show as much do they
like the new show more i wonder uh if that's the case but uh i really enjoyed what we got i thought
this was great john how did you feel about stampede and especially stargay's i thought it was good
i mean it definitely did some things different from your john i feel like i think it's one of those
shows where you could be like yeah i like this part of the original by like that part of the new one
you know what i mean yeah but i think we said it last time around that one doesn't invalidate
the other because they're both good in their own ways it just you know is really a matter of preference
yes this is different interpretation uh some people might argue it's a more complete one because
it includes the dragon maxima manga whatever but i still like yeah i feel like you the old show holds up
in a lot of ways not necessarily in animation in certain parts but in terms of storytelling
uh in terms of atmosphere uh this the old show is still valid and still good and still fun and uh
new show has a different tone it has uh has a different focus it remixes the story a lot so both of
these things can exist next to each other without one invalidating the other and i appreciate it so
okay i just think it's interesting that you could definitely tell from looking at both side by side
they're like well we like this part of it but we also want to do this part of the of this other one
but we also want to throw in a little bit of our own spice to so it's like a neat mix and
they get works out in the end yeah absolutely i think this is a great show uh you can what where can
people watch it john yeah it's you can watch it crunch on crunch your old pretty much pretty much
anywhere you live apparently uh the only other service list here is anna one asia so you can watch
it on crunch your old yes and please do that this is a fantastic show uh if you like your signs
fiction with west western elements and uh you know ala uh firefly i guess or outlaw star uh and if you
you know if you if you like your motley crew of characters like in cowboy bibob and uh some cool
sub-texture subtexture stuff some good character development and everything and especially
great production values then you can go wrong with this i thought it was a blast from beginning
to end it's very quick pace there's there are no more boring moments in the show there's always
something happening it's a very breezy watch from beginning to end 24 episodes you're in and out
and you have a complete story and a very fulfilling story in my opinion even though it's not a super
complicated one uh i feel uh felt pretty good uh by the end of it and um yeah i um i hope uh i i wonder
what we'll get next from uh nito i am not up to date on any of his projects i don't know
blabok battlefront is the running we're not gonna get another see you know that probably but uh i was
actually looking it up earlier while we were talking so i was like wait a minute is it a complete
adaptation in yes it is asterisk uh so there were there was a second uh run of the manga that came
after that which is now complete and now there's a third run of it so if i guess if they want to
adapt you know the second run of it that is complete and you know they're from beginning to end
who knows okay so we might see another version of that and uh yeah interested uh interesting and
yeah again watch try gun it's a good time and uh i'm i'm glad we uh got uh not only one but two
helping of our favorite trigger unhappy typhoon two edited data
so do you like horse racing um i mean i'm not doing it myself but maybe sometimes
looking at it as i mean in in anime it's much more interesting than in real life that's why we're
here to talk to you about umamusame season three no i i would also maybe check that out because
everything i've seen of it looks really fun yes but this is this is actual horses this time around
we're not we're not gaslighting anyone on this one so jojo's bizarre adventure steep a run
but that's that that's the one that is the one that is the only one as as the show teaches us in
every little uh mid mid episode uh break i catcher all one episode yes well take
neatly to episode but yes uh steel ball run is the seventh part oh jojo's bizarre adventure which
creates a new continuity for the series especially after the especially after the way part six ended
yeah but i don't think it's set into in the same universe as sick as you know where six ends up i don't
think that's that continuity no it's not like a lot of people theorize that and i'm pretty sure um
arake was like shut up your wrong shut up i don't put that much thought into this set which is
all i can say to that is you know what my guy fair fair enough yeah and i like that we get like this
fresh uh fresh start like completely different set up we have some characters which are like hey i
know that name i know that person you have plenty of parallels yes but they are completely different
roles here and this is also you know i i don't know when did uh when was the original part one like
phantom blood uh what year was that set in in the original timeline what was was that also eight
eighteen ninety i was that earlier i think it was like late eighteen hundred uh eighteen eighties
okay okay it's on the same time frame yes but this is set in uh eighteen ninety
september eighteen ninety yes um in san diego i guess at least in the beginning yes we have our
promoter steven steel announcing the the cross country steel ball run horse race which
will crosses the continental united states of america from san diego to new york city yes four
thousand miles on horseback nine stages and the price money is fifty million dollars which is an
appropriately ridiculous number considering the times there would be a lot of money today but but
but yeah i wanted to do a conversion on that uh yeah fifty million dollars in eighteen ninety is
one point eight billion dollars which would explain why a steven steel is so scared about this race
not working out and going badly yeah with the with the advertisers or whatever i don't even know
how does he make money from this by the way like shut up don't worry about it is he already that rich
or what what is what is happening there like he seems to be not very steel minded i got to assume he's got
some degree of money yeah i mean we don't really learn that much about him in this
we don't really learn that much about anybody in this first forty eight minutes or along this
exercise episode is because this is only the first stage of the race we only have the very first
race that is from sundiego to i don't even know where the first stop is i think some church in the
middle of nowhere or whatever is where the goal is and yeah so this is where what we're getting for
this let's say extended prologue maybe at the rest is gonna come and fall i think so at maybe
maybe they're gonna do a a a stage for every new batch like every new new batch of episodes maybe
gonna cover one stage would see they haven't confirmed any of it i got to imagine that's the game
planned it that would make sense to do yeah i wonder how that will turn out if all the stages are
very different in size like i mean this is a very short one i don't know if they get progressively
longer or if there's some short ones in between because that might alienate some people with like this
this is probably already alienated some people was like hey new season of jojo's it's only one
episode and you're gonna get the rest in full then in full maybe we get 12 or 24 depending on
on the second stages and then we go back to 12 and then maybe we go back to six or two or three
who knows so this i hope this doesn't backfire if they really choose that model and everyone's like
oh okay there's new jojo's and it's just part of this season i guess it's a very unusual way of
doing things definitely yeah i'm just sort of i'm looking at the length of each race just the race
itself not any other spoilers and they all seem to be about the same like a set for maybe like the
seventh and fifth stages all the other seem about the the second stage looks like it might be a
little bit of a long one so okay yeah the so with they went from the San Diego West Coast beach to
the sanctumaria novella church which looks like it's it's looks like it's still in california like
maybe right on the border i think the upside of doing it this way is giving the maybe the
animators enough time to really like focus and put the work in and not having to crunch that much
and whatever because it's a limited limited number of episodes and it's not adhering to a strict
seasonal model with a certain amount of episodes which i guess Netflix is the correct platform for
to try something like that because they you know either release stuff in you know in bench batches
or sometimes they do weekly episodes for anime but this is rare and this is a new thing where it's
like okay maybe if they do it really just by stages this might actually help animators depending
on how many episodes there are to to be to like give us the most quality they can muster for
for this because they can still they can take as much time as they want because they don't have to
necessarily be like okay this needs to be 24 episodes again this in the next season but then again
24 episodes and we need to cover this in that much and they can be like no we just need to do as
many episodes we need to cover this part of the race and we can take as much time as we need for
that we'll see it will be super interesting but i don't know about you john i felt like the animation
quality in this first stage was appropriately comparably great uh when you know looking at some of
the other jojo stuff considering how hyped this part was i feel like this looked really good for
jojo's show how did you feel about it they basically went whole hog on this and
a lot of people i know were kind of confused about the format of the show and like
oh what do you mean they can't release more than one episode at a time
maybe this is the reason why and the fact that i guess you could put a little bit of it on the net
uh netflix too because who knows if they release schedule sometimes but you could tell david
production was like yes and they were like we're going to do this right yeah definitely for you
it's like it like they put like their a team on this which of course would probably did have an
effect on fire force uh but that's what i already assumed so um but hey at least it pays off for
jojo's fans and we are jojo's fans so this this looks great this sounds great like the soundtrack is
really cool and triumphant in this and fun and uh it hey they even mostly managed to um overcome and the
matrix biggest nightmare a horse in motion right like there's some scenes where like very few scenes
where they're like oh the horses don't look that good in in in this but a lot of scenes
and it was one of the things that you could be rightfully worried about before watching this the horses
look great and i guess this is important because they are also like side characters in this like they
have all the horses in this have strong personalities they have names like i feel like a lot of the
horses in this have now gotten the musical names the bad names uh one of uh um uh who source is this
is gyro no gyroshors is voucher right uh i think it was do uh diago's horses silver bullet
oh diago's horse was silver bullet yes yeah right uh no there was another one that was clear go
oh um ghost rider ghost rider in the sky that's it in the sky right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
i don't know whose horse that was but uh mountain tim apparently mountain yes exactly so that
that fun is still in there which is crazy i talked i had a friend over from the Netherlands and he's
also big jojo's fan and he loved the the the the first stage of this and he was not aware that there
are musical references in jojo's really not on that because he watched the dub and they changed
all the names and they as you recall and i was like hey uh did uh i wonder what musical names are
gonna be in this and he looked at me funny and it was like didn't you know that all right and we
played the the the the also our battle game uh and i i told him oh this guy character is named like
that in the origin and this character is named like that in the origin and he was like like a whole new
world opened up to him and uh i said yeah like i guess you got to watch the japanese version uh now
or rewatch it and he's like yeah i guess i got to so uh but yeah uh that as a small the side so
yeah that shit is still in here and it's fun so who do we have as our important characters uh here
john because there are a couple that we get introduced to already in this first stage oh i feel like
that one our our big three here are probably johnny joe star who was he was a former jockey
prodigy and then he got injured and now he's a paraplegic and he has to roll around in a wheelchair
and he can't really race as well anymore so but then he runs across gyro zippoly international
hand of mystery and he has who has who has go go zippoly printed on his gold teeth yes what does
the what the fuck does he think he is like who the fuck does he think he is inspector gatchett
and his felt buckle points down towards his crotch because sure no it would
and he has these mysterious steel balls and uh zippoly ends up using them against some
miscreant who's trying to just hustle someone and johnny is so confused by like what what the hell are
those what do those do and when he touches one because his legs to like twitch almost like he can
move them again and he's like well now i need to know what the hell these things are yes i wonder like
if this is the benefit like if there are still stands in this like is is is our key bringing them
back for this are we going back to a harmoness kind of power because we didn't see any standman
of station and these steel balls yet so i don't know if that's the case but i think in the game
and you also game the steel ball run characters half stands or maybe the horses to
maybe the horses are their stands as far as i recall from what i played of all start battle it was like
horse on horse off like you didn't really have the
a stand button like some of the other characters did but yeah there's all of that and then
one of the big rivals in the races one deaco brando everyone calls him deal though like of course
of course they do yes everybody say deaco brando in the beginning and then from that moment on
everyone says deal and i'm like okay and i mean he even says do on his hat yes that's true that's
probably i guess that's his nickname in this universe like in this this show he while in the
old show he really his name was really deo and i love that when his theme starts playing it's like
the leap motif of deo's theme from the older parts and i was just like oh that's so good that's
cool oh it's so good yes in general like i said to sundry it's great man and of course there's
Steven steel we mentioned earlier who's trying to work the crowd for this big race and he has no idea
he's gonna pay the money off i don't understand where he's gonna get 50 million dollars from an 1890
he addresses the crowd about the entrance fee for this race being $150 which let's
let's do convert on that real quick okay yeah so $150 and 1890 is $5,489 in today's money so it's a
little bit of an entrance fee yeah but still considering the profit you could gain and considering
that aren't there not that many racers they can't get it from the entry fee alone right yeah but at
the start there's something like three thousand something racers so yeah okay now to the
multiplication three thousand racers more 150 does not make 50 million i think so no not strictly by
the numbers now so he needs to get cars from he needs to get money from sponsors and stuff like that
as well so or maybe he's already loaded because he's but but he's a promoter he's not like a company
magnet or whatever like so i've got a lot of sponsors yeah i wonder there's probably gonna be some
twist on the road to all of this like to his character as well i'm really interested to see where
where where they go with this and also his side characters because his female assistance probably
more important than we think so yeah but who else do we have we've got umid afdol in writing in on
his camel he wouldn't even be worth mentioning link mentioning considering what how quick he's
out of the race if he wasn't afdol right exactly he's really like in there as a cameo as a joke
cameo really oh it's the guy from stardust crusade oh he's out yep we've got polka loco who is
lucky guy he sure is a character but luck is on his side and yeah for now and of course his
horses name hey like the outcast son yeah yeah so yeah he's fun you you he i don't he uh no
that he's a very lucky person or he says that at some point at that seems to hold true because
he talked to a fortune teller and we know that fortune teller she probably doesn't have the same
role at this but we know her for phantom blood
big thing yeah yeah so i don't know if she has the same kind of influence i didn't see an arrow flying
around some but yeah it's uh it was it was pretty interesting seeing her and um yeah so uh wonder if his
luck is also some kind of stand power or whatever probably but the funny thing is the way it presents
itself it's not like only that the tide is often turned into his favor like in a ridiculous way it
the funny thing is it is it always looks like he's gonna
fuck himself up severely like he's in a real bind and then that turns into the most ridiculous lucky
thing that could happen like him stumbling his horse stumbling over like the the carcass of a cow
and then him and his horse surfing on that carcass down a slope
is incredible roostum luck is gonna carry him across the finish line yes and yeah that's him and then
I think we have one final big uh or at least the show presents like yes um then there's sand man
sent man the guy who just runs yeah he don't need a horse he just run just do big running
who's the native american guy which you know i hope Araki you know that doesn't i feel like there's not
too much stereotyping going on except from the white man this blah you know stuff that he's yelling
all the time but uh you know it's interesting that he you know it's just running which is probably
his power that he has super power legs or whatever and that that keeps it like in general I expected
everyone to use a horse but we also have a guy who tries to use a car and then realizes that
running at in that age a car across the entire continent would be way too heavy on the fuel usage
so he's not legally as well it's some nice one of jokes in this it's like oh one of them is using a
car that's gonna be interesting we'll see how that no piece out uh so we're gonna sing with horses and
feet I guess at this uh at this time and yeah the show makes it look like our main focus characters
are gonna be uh Johnny of course Jarro Diego uh uh Polkoloco and uh sent man and we'll see who else
is gonna become important down the road but these five seem to be the the guys who are gonna
compete for the price money uh so yeah that's gonna be super interesting and kind of that's kind of
all there is to this first episode uh I mean it's not super long we we've got to get close to talking
longer about it than the actual episode runs so you might as well have just watched this instead of
listening to us uh about it's nice that you're listening to us thank you um but yeah this this was
just super fun it's got real wacky racist energy like so much ridiculous shit happening uh some cool
super moves like Diego has this thing where he uh where he can basically do like I don't know
like phantom shift or or dash to the side like like he he disappears for a while and suddenly
somewhere else because he is able to move his horse so fast and use the the the the wind stream shadow
whatever like like off of the people in front of him to his advantage to overtake them um yeah he shows
himself to be really good at reading the horse's moves and using that to his advantage too yeah we have
that then have we have of course even more ridiculous shit with uh gyro and steal balls where he
just uses them to propel just attaches them to in one scene to the ass of his horse and that propels
the horse into the air and like hit do a topper boosting from night rider and then uh we have another
scene where he attaches them to his cape and he's using them like I don't know rocket boosters or whatever
it's nonsense but it's cool yeah it is which is pretty much powerful the chorus in terms of jojo's
you got a lot of bullshit and nonsense but it's all very cool and funny and fun so yeah this is that
just you know in the wild west with horses and uh yeah i'm super interested to see where this goes because
the this first extra long episode was incredibly fun and funny and good so uh yeah I I I loved it I
thought David pro was sitting it out of the park in terms of production values the animation looks great
the music is fantastic and uh yeah everything looks like maximum effort
oh yeah for sure that's what all of us wanted like I mean I haven't read the manga but I've heard so
many times people saying hey see what run is the best part and it you have no idea how fucking crazy
it gets and that is saying something in terms of fucking jojo's compared to everything that came before
yeah yeah so we'll see I really just just it's it's it's it's deal even gonna be the main bad guy in
this uh are they gonna stick with that or is something else happening because right now I guess
somewhat the main antagonist is gyro or the guy with the biggest power set so and I mean
Zeppelin was the guy who taught uh Jonathan in the original how to use his his his powers and
that is the same thing that is probably gonna happen here so this is probably gonna be a bit of a
redo remake situation of well-known relationships from the previous parts uh but also doing some
completely new things due to the different environments and different story setup and so on
and I'm down with all of that I love that uh and I I hope we're probably gonna get a couple of years
out of this uh considering at least yeah stebron as one as one as one of the longest parts I don't know
if it's the longest uh going with might have it be there I'm not sure I think you have a might be
yeah maybe so uh we we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna be watching this this part of jojo's for a while
and I'm absolutely okay with that just judging from this first premiere episode uh we're gonna
have a blast on we're gonna have a really good time and she's gonna get wild it'll be like I know
people are complaining about the release of this but it'll be nice to
every few months be like oh hey there's there's a little bit more we can watch and you know
will that fragment it a bit yeah sure but it'll you know keep us going for at least a couple maybe
three years depending on how they're releasing how they run it and at least if they really go by stage
as a release for them right we know when this will be over we don't have to guess like oh is this
the final final season or the final final final final season no we're gonna have like
nine seasons technically because there are nine stages to this I assume if the depending how they
might compress some parts you know yes if they compress them right like my my assumption was hey if
they give us one episode for one stage instead of doing stage one and two in one season one normal
seasons if they stick to that model we're gonna get nine seasons with varying numbers of episodes
because they're probably gonna give each stage as many episodes as it makes sense in terms of what
how much story is available for or material is available from the manga for each individual stage
okay it looks like geolyon is slightly longer than uh really steel ball yeah by like three
three chapters three volume I think it's yeah three volumes it's also a nice thing to know in the back
of your head right that we're even after this we're not done with jojo stairs joe joe
there's jojo lands uh which also looks really cool so hey we're not gonna run out a run out of joe joe
any time soon which is a good thing to have I mean David production already lived up to their initial
promise of doing parts one through six because if you go back and look at some of like the old intro
sequences you see pieces of all six parts in there it's like okay so they were just like
shooting for the moon and saying yeah we're gonna do all of this this is icing on the cake basically
that they're continuing to go even further and I mean one through six capping that of makes makes sense
because it's the same shared universe right it's the same timeline and now they're rebooting that
I don't know if jojo leon or jojo lands aren't anyway connected to steel ball run or to the other
universe or to the a new universe that was created by a stone ocean or at the end of stone ocean
no idea but I am really interested to find out down the line but it's gonna be a couple of years
before we get to jojo leon and uh two jojo lands unless you want to read the manga which hey I can wait
I totally okay with seeing what David production does with this and uh because so far I've been super
happy with their output of course there's a varying degrees of quality in the different seasons they
were choppy or I mean phantom blood did not look great and there were definitely some choppy parts in
you know some in golden wind and definitely in stone ocean but they were fun all of those were
all every every part of jojo's is at least fun and some of them are genuinely great so hey I assume
the same will apply to steel baron and judging from what I've heard about this uh about the part
and judging from how good this first episode looks you know not being caught in the usual first episode
trap because a lot of anime at least back in the day had the first episode look like gangbass look
amazing and then all the other episodes look like shit but I don't think that will happen here
that's that's not how David production works uh so in considering they take a lot of time to even
get to the next stage like that is not that is coming in fall that this is gonna look probably the best
jojo says I've ever looked all the way through so I'm absolutely happy with what we got for now
I'm looking forward to getting more don't rush it guys take your time we'll wait and uh I just uh
looking forward to see the best version of this testing that they can deliver for sure
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